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How to build a company that withstands any era | Eric Ries, Lean Startup author
1w ago01:39:22Tap to summarizePodcast: Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth (LS 62 · TOP 0.1% what is this?)Episode: How to build a company that withstands any era | Eric Ries, Lean Startup authorPub date: 2026-05-10Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationEric Ries is the author of The Lean Startup, a book that reshaped how a generation of founders think about building companies. His new book, Incorruptible, explains how successful companies are destroyed by failing to protect what makes them valuable, and how to change it.In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:1. Why 80% of venture-backed founders are ousted within three years of going public2. The governance structures that protect companies like Anthropic, Costco, and Novo Nordisk3. The simple legal filing that takes two pages and could save your company4. Financial gravity: why successful companies predictably get corrupted into mediocrity5. Why mission-aligned companies like Anthropic reap major benefits from protecting their mission through governance6. Why success won’t protect you—it instead makes you a bigger target—Brought to you by:WorkOS—Make your app enterprise-ready, with SSO, SCIM, RBAC, and more: https://workos.com/lennyVanta—Automate compliance, manage risk, and accelerate trust with AI: https://vanta.com/lenny—Episode transcript: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-build-a-company-that-withstands—Archive of all Lenny's Podcast transcripts: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0—Where to find Eric Ries:• X: https://x.com/ericries• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/eries• Website: https://www.incorruptible.co• Newsletter: https://news.theleanstartup.com/• Podcast: https://ericriesshow.com• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@theericriesshow—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Introduction to Eric Ries(02:26) Introducing Incorruptible(06:26) Protecting what you’ve built(11:35) Why founders get ousted(14:58) Too early, too late(19:32) The blueprint: ethos plus integrity(20:49) Novo Nordisk’s 100-year governance fortress(26:41) The Vectura Group and Philip Morris(33:16) The “harder is easier” principle(37:22) Cloudflare’s mission emergence story(42:43) Groupon’s email frequency death spiral(45:37) How to define your purpose(51:09) Mission-driven vs. mission-hopeful companies(54:46) Integrity: structural and personal(57:47) Shareholder primacy: the 40-year-old “natural law”(01:00:04) Public benefit corporations: the easiest protection(01:04:24) Downsides and objections(01:06:08) The Anthropic example: fastest-growing company ever(01:08:39) The torchbearers in every organization(01:10:37) The culture bank: deposits and withdrawals(01:12:28) OpenAI and Anthropic governance(01:16:21) Mission guardians explained(01:18:29) Spiritual holding companies(01:21:53) The founder control trap(01:25:25) Three things to do this week(01:30:10) AI alignment and human alignment(01:34:00) Conway’s law: org charts in architecture(01:37:31) Book resources and farewell—References: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-build-a-company-that-withstands—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. To hear more, visit www.lennysnewsletter.comThe podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Lenny Rachitsky, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.
Transcribe →The AI paradox: More automation, more humans, more work | Dan Shipper
1w ago01:34:06Tap to summarizePodcast: Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth (LS 62 · TOP 0.1% what is this?)Episode: The AI paradox: More automation, more humans, more work | Dan ShipperPub date: 2026-05-24Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationDan Shipper is the co-founder and CEO of Every, a media and software company that’s become a living laboratory for the future of work. Everyone at his company of about 30 people is an AI early adopter; from editors to ops people, they use AI to do much of their work, giving Every a unique lens into where the world is heading. A year ago on this show, Dan predicted that people were sleeping on Claude Code for nontechnical work, which proved to be remarkably prescient. Today he’s back with another set of calls: the SaaS apocalypse is dumb, CLIs are over, the forward deployed engineer is the most valuable new hire, and the only thing you need to do to stay employed is ride the models.Dan’s predictions:1. The future of work will happen inside Codex or Claude Code.2. Every company will have one “super-agent” inside their Slack that every employee talks to regularly.3. SaaS is not dead—in fact, Dan is bullish on SaaS stocks. His contrarian take: “I would buy SaaS stocks right now.”4. SaaS economics will shift: users will bring their own AI tokens into apps, which actually improves SaaS margins.5. PMs will thrive in the AI era.6. Full-stack designers will become superheroes.7. The AI job apocalypse is not happening.8. Forward deployed engineer is the new most essential role.9. CLIs are over.10. Automation is a lie.11. We will read way more AI-generated writing and we will like it.12. We’ll be building software for humans and agents to use together.—Brought to you by:WorkOS—Make your app enterprise-ready, with SSO, SCIM, RBAC, and more: https://workos.com/lennyVanta—Automate compliance, manage risk, and accelerate trust with AI: https://vanta.com/lenny—Episode transcript: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ai-paradox-dan-shipper—Archive of all Lenny's Podcast transcripts: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0—Where to find Dan Shipper:• X: https://x.com/danshipper• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/danshipper/• Podcast: https://every.to/podcast• Website: https://danshipper.com—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Introduction to Dan Shipper(02:56) Dan’s unique position living in the AI future(09:17) How the way we work will change in the coming year(16:39) The case for general agents(18:08) Codex and Claude Code as the new operating system for work(25:39) How Cursor fits in(27:42) How this changes what SaaS companies should build(31:13) Why CLI is already over(33:34) Two agents are better than one(36:22) Why Dan is bullish on SaaS stocks(39:01) Why automation doesn’t reduce human work(47:00) The value of human-written code(48:36) Quick recap(50:15) How work is changing(56:17) Why data scientists are drowning in bad analysis(58:24) Which product/tech roles are least changed by AI(1:02:17) We will read way more AI-generated writing and we will like it(1:08:28) Why product managers will dominate the AI era(1:11:05) Full-stack designers are the other big winners(1:13:11) The AI job apocalypse won’t happen(1:16:00) How to “ride the models” to stay relevant(1:21:02) Final predictions and advice(1:25:24) Lightning round—References: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-ai-paradox-dan-shipper—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.—Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. To hear more, visit www.lennysnewsletter.comThe podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Lenny Rachitsky, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.
Transcribe →A rational conversation on where AI is actually going | Benedict Evans
1w ago01:19:50Tap to summarizePodcast: Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth (LS 62 · TOP 0.1% what is this?)Episode: A rational conversation on where AI is actually going | Benedict EvansPub date: 2026-05-31Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationBenedict Evans is an independent analyst and former partner at Andreessen Horowitz, where he spent years as their in-house “thinker” tracking the most important technology trends. For the past six years, he’s been publishing deeply researched presentations on where tech is heading, most recently focused on AI’s transformation of the economy. His work is read by founders, investors, and operators trying to make sense of a noisy field. His most controversial opinion: AI is as big a deal as the internet or mobile—and only as big.In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:1. Why we’re in “1997” for AI—early, exciting, and deeply uncertain about what comes next2. Where value will actually accrue in the AI stack3. The anti-AI backlash, and where it may lead4. The surprising boom in consulting and professional services at AI companies5. Why distribution is becoming the ultimate moat as software gets easier to build6. Why the right question about your job isn’t “What percent can AI do?” but “Is this a task or a job?”7. Why things will probably be okay—and what you need to do to prepare—Brought to you by:WorkOS—Make your app enterprise-ready, with SSO, SCIM, RBAC, and more: https://workos.com/lennyVanta—Automate compliance, manage risk, and accelerate trust with AI: https://vanta.com/lenny—Episode transcript: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-rational-conversation-on-where—Archive of all Lenny's Podcast transcripts: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0—Where to find Benedict Evans:• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/benedictevans• Newsletter: https://www.ben-evans.com/newsletter• Website: https://www.ben-evans.com—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Introduction to Benedict Evans(02:19) What people aren’t pricing in about AI’s impact(06:24) Why we’re in the 1997 moment of AI(09:44) The unexpected boom in professional services and consultants(17:44) Why distribution is becoming the ultimate moat(23:17) The coming job transformation: what’s real vs. panic(27:33) Why AGI definitions keep shifting(38:11) Where value will accrue: models vs. applications(42:55) Distribution wars: Google, Meta, Apple, and OpenAI(48:12) The anti-AI sentiment and backlash(53:11) How to raise kids in an AI future(58:27) What jobs to steer toward or away from(59:20) The question nobody’s asking about AI(1:06:25) How to be successful in this coming future(1:08:43) AI corner(1:11:43) Lightning round—Referenced: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/a-rational-conversation-on-where—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.—Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. To hear more, visit www.lennysnewsletter.comThe podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Lenny Rachitsky, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.
Transcribe →The hidden pattern behind successful products | Mark Pincus (founder of Zynga)
1w ago01:39:23Tap to summarizePodcast: Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth (LS 62 · TOP 0.1% what is this?)Episode: The hidden pattern behind successful products | Mark Pincus (founder of Zynga)Pub date: 2026-06-14Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationMark Pincus founded Zynga—the company behind Words With Friends, FarmVille, and Zynga Poker—and has arguably created more hit consumer products than anyone in history. At Zynga, eight of 10 major game launches became massive hits, reaching over a billion players. Over the past five years, Mark has been synthesizing everything he’s learned about building successful consumer products and turning it into a book, Life at the Speed of Play, which comes out on June 23. This is the first interview he’s done about the book.In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:1. His “Proven, Better, New” framework: copy what’s proven, make it better so that 10 out of 10 people say “f*ck yes, I’ll use this”—then add something new2. Why being less ambitious is the path to the most ambitious ideas3. His rule of thumb that your instincts are right 95% of the time, but your ideas are wrong 75% of the time4. “Kill hope before hope kills you”5. How to raise kids in the age of AI—Brought to you by:WorkOS—Make your app enterprise-ready, with SSO, SCIM, RBAC, and moreVanta—Automate compliance, manage risk, and accelerate trust with AI—Episode transcript: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-common-pattern-behind-successful—Archive of all Lenny's Podcast transcripts: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/yxi4s2w998p1gvtpu4193/AMdNPR8AOw0lMklwtnC0TrQ?rlkey=j06x0nipoti519e0xgm23zsn9&st=ahz0fj11&dl=0—Where to find Mark Pincus:• X: https://x.com/markpinc• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/markpincus• Website: https://www.lifeatthespeedofplay.com—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Introduction to Mark Pincus(02:46) The Proven Better New framework overview(07:29) Earning the right to innovate(08:30) What “better” really means(12:03) Quick summary of the framework(12:40) Examples of the framework in action(13:30) How to use proven correctly on your platform(15:13) The moral arbitrage of copying(23:55) Be less ambitious(28:25) The Bolt.new story and staying humble(33:15) Kill hope before hope kills you(37:00) Using AI as a failure machine(40:08) Why Zynga’s games succeeded (it wasn’t virality)(48:36) The future of consumer social apps(57:05) How to know if your product is a B+(1:01:25) Distribution in the age of AI(1:15:39) Make everyone a CEO(1:18:18) Stay close to the metal(1:21:35) Why Mark says micromanagement is beautiful(1:23:35) The expert witness(1:25:05) The number one job of a CEO is to be right(1:26:35) What Mark is teaching his five kids(1:35:14) Mark’s “why”(1:37:08) Mark’s new book: Life at The Speed of Play—Referenced:• Tribe.net: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe.net• Zynga: https://www.zynga.com• Sid Meier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier• Electronic Arts: https://www.ea.com• CityVille: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CityVille• Words With Friends: https://wordswithfriends.com/• Scrabble: https://playscrabble.com• Reddit: https://www.reddit.com• TED Radio Hour, MIT Media Lab founder, 1984 TED talk.: https://www.ted.com/talks/nicholas_negroponte_5_predictions_from_1984• Peter Thiel on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/peterthiel• FarmVille: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FarmVille• Craig Newmark: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Newmark• How to consistently go viral: Nikita Bier’s playbook for winning at consumer apps (co-founder of TBH, Gas, advisor, investor): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-consistently-go-viral-nikita-bier• Angry Birds: https://www.angrybirds.com/• OMGPop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OMGPop• Draw Something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draw_Something• Slack founder: Mental models for building products people love ft. Stewart Butterfield: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/slack-founder-stewart-butterfield• Brian Chesky’s new playbook: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/brian-cheskys-contrarian-approach• Garry Tan on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/garrytan• Brian Armstrong on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/barmstrong• Jason Citron on X: https://x.com/jasoncitron• Stanislav Vishnevskiy on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/svishnevskiy• Jeff Bezos on X: https://x.com/JeffBezos• Andy Jassy on X: https://x.com/ajassy• Niantic: https://nianticlabs.com• Pokémon Go: https://pokemongo.com• Bing Gordon on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/binggordon—Recommended book:• Life at the Speed of Play: Launch Products People Love!: https://www.amazon.com/Life-Speed-Play-Launch-Products/dp/0063352575/ref=tmm_hrd_swatch_0—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.—Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. To hear more, visit www.lennysnewsletter.comThe podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Lenny Rachitsky, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.
Transcribe →Building the most AI-pilled engineering team in the world | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams)
1w ago01:38:45Tap to summarizePodcast: Lenny's Podcast: Product | Career | Growth (LS 62 · TOP 0.1% what is this?)Episode: Building the most AI-pilled engineering team in the world | Fiona Fung (Manager of the Claude Code and Cowork Teams)Pub date: 2026-06-21Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationFiona Fung leads the teams behind Claude Code and Cowork at Anthropic (overseeing Boris Cherny and the entire engineering and PM team). Before Anthropic, she spent 11 years at Microsoft building Visual Studio and TypeScript and then moved to Meta, where she started Facebook Marketplace (now generating over $100 billion in GMV annually), worked on Meta’s first smart glasses and AR glasses, and led infrastructure, growth, integrity, and safety teams at Instagram. She’s been an engineer for over 25 years and has a unique perspective on how the role of building software is changing.In our in-depth conversation, we discuss:1. What she’s learned about running a team that’s shipping 8x more code than before2. Which roles AI will transform next3. Specific ways her team uses AI4. How Claude “routines” have changed how she operates as a manager5. The context-switching problem no one has solved yet6. The biggest unsolved problem in AI7. What keeps her up at night—Brought to you by:WorkOS—Make your app enterprise-ready, with SSO, SCIM, RBAC, and more: https://workos.com/lennyMercury—Radically different banking, now with Command: https://mercury.com/—Where to find Fiona Fung:• LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/fionafung—Where to find Lenny:• Newsletter: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com• X: https://twitter.com/lennysan• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/lennyrachitsky/—In this episode, we cover:(00:00) Introduction to Fiona Fung(02:31) How the engineering role has transformed over 25 years(09:28) What an AI-pilled software team looks like in 2026(12:26) Using Claude to manage and review team output(14:40) The evolution of code review and verification(16:55) Who to hire: creative builders and deep systems experts(18:18) The shift to ambitious thinking(19:40) The growth mindset required to thrive in AI-native teams(25:52) Helping small businesses adopt AI tools(31:46) How Anthropic spots latent demand and builds for it(35:08) The next frontier: asynchronous work with AI routines(38:06) Agency and accountability in AI-native teams(39:40) The vibe shift from token-maxing to ROI measurement(44:24) The “bad vs. sad” quality framework(49:34) Why all managers start as ICs at Anthropic(55:24) Preventing skill atrophy(58:43) Managing context switching with 20 AI agents running(1:00:08) How PM and data science roles are transforming(1:03:40) The importance of dogfooding and using your own product(1:08:36) Outstanding questions(1:12:48) The future of engineering jobs and education(1:17:59) What keeps Fiona up at night: team culture at scale(1:22:53) From six-month roadmaps to JIT (just-in-time) monthly planning(1:27:03) Lightning round—References: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/building-the-most-ai-pilled-engineering—Production and marketing by https://penname.co/. For inquiries about sponsoring the podcast, email podcast@lennyrachitsky.com.—Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed. To hear more, visit www.lennysnewsletter.comThe podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Lenny Rachitsky, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.
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[S3E7] Never Split the Difference with Chris Voss
1w ago01:01:04Tap to summarizePodcast: Business Books & Co. (LS 32 · TOP 5% what is this?)Episode: [S3E7] Never Split the Difference with Chris VossPub date: 2022-06-17Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationNever Split the Difference: Negotiating As If Your Life Depended On It is considered one of the best books of all time on negotiation. Instead of focusing on economic theory or game theory, it focuses on practical techniques and psychological insight. Voss uses anecdotes from his career as an international hostage negotiator for the FBI to enliven the narrative while alternating with everyday business negotiation scenarios. We are thrilled to be joined by author Chris Voss to discuss his book. Show Notes Never Split the Difference by Chriss Voss via Amazon The Black Swan Group The Black Swan Group on Twitter The Black Swan Group on YouTube Follow us on Twitter @BusinessBooksCo and join our Amazon book club. Edited by Giacomo Guatteri Find out more at https://businessbooksandco.comThe podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from David Kopec, David Short, Kevin Hudak, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.
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How a VP of Product Uses Claude Without Producing Slop | Matthew Wensing, Customer.io
2w ago00:50:17Tap to summarizePodcast: The Growth Podcast (LS 37 · TOP 2.5% what is this?)Episode: How a VP of Product Uses Claude Without Producing Slop | Matthew Wensing, Customer.ioPub date: 2026-06-09Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationToday’s episodeThere are hundreds of guides on writing PRDs with Claude. Dozens on running user interviews. Almost nothing on how a VP of product actually uses it.Matt Wensing is VP of Product and Design at Customer.io. They crossed $100M ARR, just shipped an AI agent, and are one of the fastest growing companies in B2B SaaS right now. I asked him to show me his actual documents, his actual Slack threads, and the exact sessions where Claude helped him produce leadership grade output.What he showed me changed how I think about AI for leaders. Claude has the instincts of a brilliant new hire, it wants to deliver before it fully understands what you need, and at the VP level that gap shows up fast. Matt has spent months figuring out how to manage it, and in this episode he shows you everything.----Brought to you by:LogRocket - Find the bugs killing your conversion before your users do. I ran a head-to-head eval to see if that's true.----If you want access to my AI tool stack - Dovetail, Arize, Linear, Descript, Reforge Build, Relay.app, Magic Patterns, Speechify, Bolt.new and Mobbin - become an annual subscriber ($150), and grab Aakash’s bundle.If you want access to my AI PM customizations - PM OS, Job Search OS, and Prompt Library - become a founding subscriber ($250).----Key Takeaways:1. Take inventory before you open Claude - Before building anything, list every piece of raw material you already have. Zoom recordings, strategy docs, past presentations. The quality of what you feed Claude determines the quality of what comes out.2. Pivot content, do not write from scratch - Claude's best use case is transformation, not creation. Give it two inputs and ask it to reorganize one into the shape of the other. Matt calls this matrix multiplication.3. Build slides first - Build the visual story first. Screenshot the finished slides and feed them back into the same Claude session. Ask it to write a talk track that adds depth using all the context it already has, not one that just repeats the slide.4. Kill eager suggestions immediately - The moment Claude asks if you want it to generate the next thing, say stop. You control the pace. A 200-iteration session with a great deliverable beats saying yes to the first draft every time.5. Start sessions in the abstract - If you reveal the domain too early, Claude pattern matches to the nearest template. Keep it abstract. Build a clean mental model first. Reveal the domain only when the framework holds up on its own.6. Layer complexity in slowly - Start with the simplest version of the framework. Let Claude stabilize on the basics before you add exceptions. Dumping everything in at once produces a lost in the woods experience for both of you.7. AI alignment decks always backfire - When you one-shot an alignment deck, you flatten the problem. Senior executives have spent months living with the real complexity. They feel the thinness immediately, even when they cannot say why.8. Decompose the problem before building anything - Challenge yourself to explode a nasty problem into all its pieces before you touch Claude. Put those observations into the context window first. Then assemble the solution.9. The Slack scanner keeps leaders close to the ground - Customer.io built an AI scanner that monitors dozens of Slack channels and surfaces threads where a product person should be involved. It runs continuously without overwhelming. 10. Chiefys audits your strategy docs automatically - Chiefys is a Slack bot that holds Customer.io's ratified company documents and checks new work against all of them. It flags contradictions and stale documents so nothing goes invisible after you ship something new.----Related contentPodcastsPM’s Guide to Claude - YouTube | Spotify | AppleHow to Become a Builder PM - YouTube | Spotify | AppleWe Built an AI Product Manager in 58 mins - YouTube | Spotify | AppleNewslettersHow to Use Claude for WorkHow to Build Product Strategy with Claude CodeThe PM OS----Where to find Matthew Wensing:1:1 Video Consultation: https://intro.co/MattWensingLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/wensing/X: https://x.com/mattwensingWhere to find Aakash:X: https://x.com/aakashguptaLinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aagupta/Newsletter: https://www.news.aakashg.com---PS. Please subscribe on YouTube and follow on Apple & Spotify. It helps!If you want to advertise, email productgrowthppp at gmail. This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit www.news.aakashg.com/subscribeThe podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Aakash Gupta, which is the property of its own...
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The Creator of Spring Thinks You Can't Code Serious Software With AI
2w ago00:57:11Tap to summarizePodcast: The AI Native Dev - from Copilot today to AI Native Software Development tomorrowEpisode: The Creator of Spring Thinks You Can't Code Serious Software With AIPub date: 2026-05-05Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationRod Johnson — the creator of Spring Framework and founder of Embabel — joins Simon Maple on the AI Native Dev Podcast to share his unfiltered take on where enterprise AI is actually heading.In this episode, Rod breaks down why enterprises are making a huge mistake rewriting Java apps in Python, why vibe coding will destroy your codebase if left unchecked, and why this might be the last generation of frameworks that developers ever choose for themselves.Rod also pulls back the curtain on Embabel — the new JVM-native agentic framework he's building — including how it borrows its planning algorithm from NPC AI in video games, why he's skeptical of MCP despite its hype, and the AI failure pattern he keeps seeing in large enterprises.Whether you're a Java developer navigating the AI wave or a tech lead trying to figure out where to actually invest, this is essential listening.Topics covered:0:00 Intro — Rod Johnson, Spring creator, returns to building5:16 PhD in 19th century Parisian piano music (yes, really)6:15 What made Rod come back and build Embabel7:36 "The universe would end before Python could execute inference"13:08 The #1 enterprise AI failure pattern Rod keeps seeing16:23 "You cannot vibe code serious software"19:37 Why Embabel uses a video game NPC planning algorithm27:47 Why Rod is an MCP skeptic53:54 "This is the last wave of frameworks chosen by people"Links:🔗 Embabel: https://embabel.com🎟 AI Native Dev London (June 1–2): https://ainativedev.io — use code POD30 for 30% off.Subscribe for weekly conversations with the engineers and founders building the future of AI-native development.Join the AI Native Dev Community on Discord: https://tessl.co/4ghikjhAsk us questions: podcast@tessl.ioThe podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Tessl, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.
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Run Out to Meet It
2w ago00:51:29Tap to summarizePodcast: Still BurningEpisode: Run Out to Meet ItPub date: 2026-04-08Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationCharity Majors spent a year telling engineers they needed to learn to code to stay relevant. Then, in about three months, that advice became obsolete. In this conversation, she talks about why engineers who built careers on beautiful, readable code are struggling more than anyone else, why junior developers might have a hidden advantage right now, and what it means that nobody has a headstart anymore. Everybody’s ignorance has been reset to 100.This season of Still Burning is brought to you in partnership with WorkOS and Augment Code.The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Kent Beck, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.
Transcribe →Did We Do This to Ourselves?
2w ago00:41:02Tap to summarizePodcast: Still BurningEpisode: Did We Do This to Ourselves?Pub date: 2026-05-06Get Podcast Transcript →powered by Listen411 - fast audio-to-text and summarizationAngie Jones spent years as the "geek whisperer" — translating technical possibility into human progress. Then she led one of the most ambitious AI adoption programs in the industry, and the rug got pulled out. Now at the Agentic AI Foundation, she's working to make sure the standards powering the next era of software are built in the open, by everyone. Kent and Angie dig into the impossible bargain AI has handed engineers, what it really means to hire junior developers right now, and what scares her most about where we're all headed.This season of Still Burning is sponsored by WorkOS and Augment Code.The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from Kent Beck, which is the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Listen Notes, Inc.
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