Lou Samara (3:28)

Squats and deadlifts and one arm press and kettlebell.

Jeff Hopeck (3:32)

What was the one video you showed me like hundreds of pounds you deadlifted.

Lou Samara (3:36)

365. Deadlift.

Jeff Hopeck (3:38)

And you're how.

Lou Samara (3:39)

I'm 63.

Jeff Hopeck (3:41)

I love it. So that's incredible right there, you know.

Lou Samara (3:43)

So my life has changed. If I was before, I don't think I would have been as healthy now too. My health is really good.

Jeff Hopeck (3:51)

Yeah. Because something came into alignment and that's what we're gonna, we're gonna get into. So. Okay. And your son's got a fascinating job.

Lou Samara (4:00)

He does, right? Great career.

Jeff Hopeck (4:01)

Tell us a little bit about that.

Lou Samara (4:02)

I love it. So he's into video and he grew up with a came 13 and he started, you know, working in a church with our church and videoing and then within it by 15 he was directing five cameras, two screens. And now he works for Hendrick Motorsports and Motor Group and he does a lot of their videos. And he's. He drives a quarter million dollar Porsche chasing after million dollar Ferraris and he's videoing him. Man, I'm like, what a great life you have. I want that life. That's awesome. So. So he's having a blast. He's having a blast.

Jeff Hopeck (4:37)

So cool.

Lou Samara (4:38)

Married. He loves his wife. You know, they're really. Everything is good.

Jeff Hopeck (4:41)

Yeah, it's awesome. All right, let's talk about life before the big discovery. So before therapy, what. What felt off because we don't wake up, right. And just say, I'm going to start therapy today. What wasn't working?

Lou Samara (5:02)

So, you know, most of us don't really pay attention to what's going on under the surface. Right. You grow up, you know, here's what your parents did, here's what you do. What are you going to do? Go to school, get a job. What's your career? I don't know. I never knew. But I always had a gnawing feeling that something wasn't right. But I didn't know what that was. It was just like I was always searching for something.

Jeff Hopeck (5:28)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (5:29)

And most of my life I thought I was searching for freedom. I wanted to be free of. Right. Just anything that held you back. And right before we discovered what we're going to talk about, life was rough for me. So I had just come off a 12 year career as a police officer. I finished as SWAT and training. So that was. I love. Sweet. What? Man, it's just kicking indoors. Sorry. But for the guys, you know, you get it? Yeah, but. And you get it, you're law enforcement, you know, and so loved that. But after having our son, things started to change and I really. I'm very kinesthetic, so I feel a lot. And I felt dirty coming home to my son and I was like, this is weird. I mean, I just, you know, arrested somebody or had to put somebody out or whatever, you know, out of their house or whatever. And I come home and I go, he's so pure. And I was dirty because I was dealing with these people.

Jeff Hopeck (6:27)

Right.

Lou Samara (6:28)

So those kind of things were there, but there was never anything that. Maybe a little insecurity. Right. Like if you came up and said, man, you're this. I'd go, no, I'm not. I'll kick your butt, man. You know? Right. So I'd say other things. Right, right. But just was never truly content. Maybe that's the point there. I was never. Always. I moved to Colorado, I didn't want to. I'm from New Jersey, grew up there. Italian Catholic family, great family. Every Sunday, pasta at grandma's, you know, but, you know, all the good stuff. But food was like, man, you gotta have food. And everything was about food. Yeah, everything was about family and. But I knew I had to get away and that's why I went to Colorado. But I didn't. Still didn't know why.

Jeff Hopeck (7:19)

Yeah, no idea. That's incredible. All right, so. And you're what age?

Lou Samara (7:25)

Into my 30s. I mean I had a career in law enforcement until I was 38. Something like that.

Jeff Hopeck (7:32)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (7:32)

38, 39, 37.

Jeff Hopeck (7:35)

How does this phrase sit with you? You're. When your insides match your outsides. Yeah. Did you. How does that, like, what does that mean? What does that mean to you?

Lou Samara (7:47)

It means you're. Maybe the word is integrity or congruent. Right. You're. You're in alignment. Really? That's the easiest way. You're. You're in alignment. I. In the mid-90s, I started down the self development path and started listening to a lot of people and they say your inner world creates your outer world. And I'm like, what does that mean? You know, I never got that right. But what is it about my inner world? What does that mean? Is that my spirit? Is that my soul? Is that my mind? Is that my gut? Yeah. Who knew?

Jeff Hopeck (8:20)

Right?

Lou Samara (8:20)

And then. So. But what I've learned is that subconscious mind is always working, and it's always there. And that is where, to me, the Lord meets us. That's where we meet ourselves, is in our inner, inner mind.

Jeff Hopeck (8:38)

So you looked great. Let's go into your 30s. You looked great, you were fit, you were all that stuff. And to the general public's gonna look at you and go, you got it all together. Yeah, right. Does that sound. Sound pretty accurate?

Lou Samara (8:53)

All the time. People always said, man, you. You're great, man. We wish we were like you. And I'm like you. Do I wish I was like you? You know, I. I was just never. Just never, like, Just never felt whole. Maybe something. It's great.

Jeff Hopeck (9:07)

So. So. So searching. Then an event happens, and you get on a plane, you fly to Oklahoma, take over.

Lou Samara (9:16)

All right. So building up to that event, I was no longer on a SWAT team. I was working in corporate America in the pharmaceutical industry, fixing lab equipment and just. Just not having. Our marriage wasn't not in a good place. And that eventually was failing. Pretty close there. I had been in marriage counseling for eight years by myself.

Jeff Hopeck (9:43)

Yeah, right.

Lou Samara (9:44)

My. My. My former wife, she was in for six months and said, I'm good. You keep going. So I thought I had to fix myself. I'm like, okay, what's. You know, that's it. We're in just for fun, being from New Jersey. Italian. My counselor was a female Jersey Italian woman from Jersey City, New Jersey.

Jeff Hopeck (10:04)

Oh, my gosh.

Lou Samara (10:04)

And she said to me one day, and I finally woke up, she says, you're bending over so far backwards, you're kissing your own ass. You don't need to be here. I said, okay, what is. But then what's wrong with me? Why am I still here? Why do I still feel like I need something to help me?

Jeff Hopeck (10:23)

Right?

Lou Samara (10:24)

Well, going into my late 30s, in 2000, my dad passed. He was 62 years old. We were supposed to have lunch the day him and my mom went on a vacation. They went through Pennsylvania. I was in Delaware, so I didn't get to see them that night. He dropped dead in the hotel room with my mom giving him cpr. Never saw my dad again. So that was.

Jeff Hopeck (10:48)

What age were you right there?

Lou Samara (10:49)

I was late. 30, 36, 37. Okay.

Jeff Hopeck (10:52)

Yeah. Just one.

Lou Samara (10:53)

Yeah. So. So that started this whole, you know, turmoil going on in the marriage that the Job. I wasn't happy with the jobs not fitting there and then, but it always seemed like everybody was against me. My life was hard, right? The guys that I worked with, here's what they tell me. Well, you intimidate people. And I go, I work for the owner. How do I intimidate you? You're the owner of the company. You know, I'm like, I'm just trying to help. Yeah, but strong personality, always wanted to grow. Not knowing anything yet. My dad dies 2000 on 9 11. My ex and I were in the hospital doing the ultrasound. The towers are falling and the baby is dead in utero. So we had to have a stillborn. So we lost a child on 9 11. To make it even harder, the radiologist, the man who was going to read that and tell us his brother was on the 82nd floor of the tower. We are all crying like he lost his brother. We losing our child. It was a really hard day.

Jeff Hopeck (12:10)

Oh my God.

Lou Samara (12:12)

So that was the next event. We were dealing with that. Just about ready to file for divorce, back and forth. Then I lose my job. Monday morning of Thanksgiving week, the company sold to a bigger corporation and they said hey, in October. And they were cleaning house, but we didn't know that. They said yeah, we're going to come up and help you grow your region. And I thought man, I'm excited. These guys finally grow this business for them. And they let me go. So I was in swap mode then, man, I was ready to. So that was Monday of Thanksgiving and you know, again it wasn't going well. Like I'd say to the guy, said well you look pretty upset. And I'm like, what are you an idiot? You know, like you just let me go right into the holiday on the holiday week with us 7 year old with mortgage with a wife who didn't like no heart.

Jeff Hopeck (13:15)

I mean, I mean, oh my God,

Lou Samara (13:17)

not even that week after, right? That week. And when I said to him, he says, well you look upset. I said you could have waited till after the holiday. And he says, would it have made any difference? That's when it took more self control than I ever thought I had because I was across my desk, man, I was still jacked like a SWAT cop, right?

Jeff Hopeck (13:38)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Lou Samara (13:39)

So anyway, left, started my own company, best thing I ever did, started my own business with. By January 1st I had my first client, very large blood company, Quest Diagnostics Diagnostic company. And started going well a lot of stress starting the company. And so that was into end of 03 into 04 okay. And I was living with my mom, Jersey, my Italian mom, widowed, you know, and just. She's still going. We're still, we're tighter now than we were then. This is, you know, life is really good now, right? Yeah.

Jeff Hopeck (14:23)

You're about 39, 8:30.

Lou Samara (14:25)

And I was still, you know, still thought I was the dude, you know? But I started getting this weird feeling when I pray. So some nights when I pray, I'd be like, something is in the room with me. And I'm like. And all my mind could picture is this just like this image of something holding a sickle in a black robe with a cow head with horns. And I'm like. And it happened for weeks and weeks. And I'm like. So the one night I was flipped out. I'm like. All of a sudden I felt like my mom is gonna knock down the door and kill me. My mom, the SWAT cop. I'm like, this doesn't make sense. So I called a friend of mine. His name's Charles. Charles is a messianic Christian. So he's Jewish then? Christian. I'm trying to remember this. Exactly. Certified counselor and the president of an oil and gas company in Oklahoma. So I was like, this guy is a wild dude, man. And he owned property in Colorado. So I, you know, we really connected.

Jeff Hopeck (15:37)

Yeah. Wow.

Lou Samara (15:39)

Big dude, cowboy, but just a great dude. So I, I, I go, I call him. It's like 9, 10 o' clock at night. I said, charles, I need your help, brother. Yes. What's going on? I said, I don't know. I feel like my mom's gonna kick in the door and kill me. And he's like, all right, well, obviously she's not gonna do that.

Jeff Hopeck (15:59)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (15:59)

You know, you could tell. I mean, I still feel that. Like, wow.

Jeff Hopeck (16:03)

I feel it.

Lou Samara (16:03)

I sense it, you know? So he goes, all right, well, tell me what's happening. I said, I don't know. I said, I told him about that image. And he says, all right, let me ask you some questions. And I don't remember all the questions, but what he was asking me was about my childhood, about my past. And he was very calm and very neutral. He knew not to lead me. He knew not to stir me up. He just asked him, what about this? Tell me about XYZ. Tell me about this. And after about 10 minutes, I was starting to calm a little bit. And then he said, well, tell me about. Why do you think it is? You can't remember anything before your age of five? And I said, I don't know. I Said, doesn't matter to me. I didn't care. Right. Who cares? It was my childhood. I had a great childhood is what I thought. Parents loved me. I had three sisters. We're all good. We had a great life. You know, family was always together. And then we grew up and had our own families, and we still love each other. He said, nope, nope, nope. Don't go. You can't let that one go. I said, what do you mean? He goes, no. He said, you're blocking something. And I said, what do you mean I'm blocking something? He said, typically, if you can't remember a portion of your life, your subconscious mind is blocking it for a reason.

Jeff Hopeck (17:25)

Oh, my gosh.

Lou Samara (17:28)

So I didn't know. So we just kept the conversation going. And then he says to me, louis, I think you were sexually abused as a child.

Jeff Hopeck (17:42)

What?

Lou Samara (17:43)

And I said the whole word. I said, f you. I was not abused. I was a cop. Now. He didn't laugh, which is what I would have said. Done. Right? I would have laughed. Yeah. Okay. Right, dude. We all would have. Yeah. He said, no, no, no. You weren't a cop when you were five years old. And I broke down sobbing. And he said, okay, go get a hotel room. Get a glass of wine. Just calm down. Which I was happy about that part. He said, and get on a plane. I'll be in Oklahoma for the week and come see me tomorrow. That was 2004. I paid $960 for an airline ticket. I went to a hotel room, paid 300 bucks. That night, I. I left the house and said, ma, I gotta go. I love you. I'll. I'll see you in a couple days. She goes, where you going? I go, I got work to do. I gotta do it.

Jeff Hopeck (18:36)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (18:36)

And that was kind of normal for me because I had started this company and had 24, seven clients. So she.

Jeff Hopeck (18:43)

Mom's not like, my son lost it.

Lou Samara (18:46)

Yeah.

Jeff Hopeck (18:46)

Right. It's normal.

Lou Samara (18:48)

So got on a plane and went to see Charles in Oklahoma and spent a week there.

Jeff Hopeck (18:55)

All right. Wow. That's incredible. The blocking has me, like, amazed. I can't wait to hear this next part. So there's a moment that everything changed, and I want to get in. I want to get to the second. But let's. Let's start framing it in. So you meet with Charles. You're still, like, probably thought you were pretty normal at that point. Like, I might have some stuff wrong, but I don't have anything huge wrong. What was the phrase? What was the sentence? What was the thinking? What did he ask, how did this unpack?

Lou Samara (19:36)

Charles was a brilliant counselor, but he was very. Anointed is a good word in the Christian language. Anointed means he had a blessing that he could help people through things. And he was one tough dude. He still is. But very strong, but very confident, but calm. Right. So that helps, right, when you're dealing with this kind of stuff.

Jeff Hopeck (20:03)

Yeah, yeah.

Lou Samara (20:04)

So he said, look, we're gonna. We're just gonna meet, and we're gonna just pray right now, okay? And he said, I have my Bible. And he says, we're gonna ask the Lord for help on this. And I thought, okay, well, whatever. He said. But the first thing you have to do, Lou, is you have to come clean. And I go, what did I do? What do you mean? I have to come clean? He goes, well, in that world, things that, you know, in life, we call it sin, right? It's missing the mark. Doing things that we know are wrong. And he said, you need to admit those all to God so that he knows you're sincere. And I said, like what? And he goes, well, everything. And I go, well, I don't know. You know, like everything. I was very immature in the way of that emotional part. Like what? You know, I mean, I'm in my late 30s. I should have been a little more mature, but I never had to develop that part of my body. Right.

Jeff Hopeck (21:08)

You were probably never allowed to feel. Feel an emotion in your entire life growing up.

Lou Samara (21:14)

There you go.

Jeff Hopeck (21:14)

Got it.

Lou Samara (21:18)

So I said, okay. Well, I thought of things I did, and I went through it okay. I took this when I was a kid. I did things with drugs that I shouldn't have done. I did things with women that I shouldn't have done. And I started saying, okay, Lord, but sincerely, I had to unpack that and let that out. And that was embarrassing because we think when we do stuff, it's all just us. Us and the person, or just us. A lot of people, it's just us.

Jeff Hopeck (21:48)

Lonely, Right?

Lou Samara (21:49)

Lonely, but because the way we're designed, we're connected, and we're connected with God, and the emotion is a connection to other people. Right? So even if it's something online or something on a phone or. Right. We're all connected. Connected. So that's why being in person, doing this is. We could feel each other. Right? So. So I did that. I took an hour and just sincerely tried to relax. See, that was the other part of it, Jeff, was. I didn't know how to get into. You know, just whatever came up was okay. Yeah, just. That's enough. No, no, go deep. What does go deep mean? Well, listen to your own mind, your subconscious mind. What is that? You know, thank God. I had been reading some self development books, but I didn't know what that was.

Jeff Hopeck (22:42)

Right.

Lou Samara (22:43)

But we have that. That's our subconscious mind. It's part of our. Who we are. It's part of our existence. Sure, nowadays it's easy, right? People know about it, but, you know, 20 years ago people knew about it, but it wasn't like.

Jeff Hopeck (22:54)

Yeah, it wasn't being talked about.

Lou Samara (22:56)

Wasn't being talked about on a podcast or YouTube, Instagram, posting about myself.

Jeff Hopeck (23:01)

Three ways to tap into your subconscious mind, Right?

Lou Samara (23:05)

So it was very difficult, but I did that. And then he said, okay, not easy, but with any woman I did out of wedlock, there's a soul tie is what he explained. So I literally was doing this. I cut those ties off me, Lord, I cut. It was wild stuff. I was like, what am I doing? But I did it and I believed it. And I wanted it off my life because I wanted to feel whole. I wanted freedom. I was telling you, freedom was my driver for this. What kind of freedom? I want to be in. I just had this gnawing feeling that I wasn't in control. And it's because for 40 some odd years I blocked that out. I wasn't in control. My emotions were running around, bouncing around in there somewhere. I still don't know it works. So we did that. And then that's where it all started to change. Charles said, okay, here's what he did. He said, I believe there's a generational curse on you from your family. What is that? All right, I've read about it in the Old Testament. What is that about? Matt, on me. Why me? You know, right. Right away, what did I do? Nothing. It's generational. My mind immediately went to a doctor who I met probably five. No, yeah, probably five years before that. And he was doing some tests on me. And he says, you have a little chink in the armor on your DNA. And I go, what do you mean, doc? I had a genetic test done and I have a null mutation in my DNA and it's about oxidative stress and I don't assimilate vitamin B or something like that. The doc didn't see that genetic test yet. He did another different test and he says somebody in your family had gonorrhea or syphilis in your family line. And I thought, I didn't know. What does that mean? Right, right. But that's what caused that mutation. So when Charles said there was a generational curse of sexual sin in my family line, my world blew up. I'm like, what? I started digging because I was furious and found out that family members on my dad's side. Not my dad, not that I know of, but other members related to him were having all kinds of parties and swapping wives and doing stuff. And I was like, what? And I called a cousin of mine who's 10 years younger than me, and we're close, and she went through a lot herself. And I said, yo, what's going on? I said, here's what I'm hearing. She goes, oh, yeah. Didn't you know my dad and his and my uncle all the time? I was like, what? Wow. All that stuff affects us. We don't know it. We think it's just them and their stuff. But when you study your lineage, I was blown away. So this is all happening with me and Charles sitting in this room, going through blessings and curses.

Jeff Hopeck (26:33)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (26:36)

I just sat there. I opened up to it. But what he did was he broke that curse off my life. Now, what he said and did, you know, I don't recall, because it was so powerful. And when we were done with that part of that session, I felt totally relieved. I was like. He said, go look in the bathroom mirror at yourself. And I looked like I was 20 years old. I couldn't believe it. I was like, there's no way. This isn't real. It is real. So that was where that whole thing changed.

Jeff Hopeck (27:17)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (27:19)

That was the first week I was with him. And then he sent me home. He said, and you need to come back in a month because we got to deal with what you went through. But that's how it set me up to let that go.

Jeff Hopeck (27:32)

Okay, so you get San Tome. At that point, are you thinking, like, okay, I'm pretty much fixed. That was the issue, or did you leave there knowing, oh, my gosh, there's more, and I don't want to go there and it's gonna be nasty?

Lou Samara (27:50)

Good question.

Jeff Hopeck (27:51)

What did it feel like?

Lou Samara (27:52)

Well, I went back home to the marital house, and that was a disaster because we were in that turmoil, and that was just an odd time. I felt. I feel it in my stomach now, my gut. I'm like. I just. It was. It wasn't a good fit for us anymore. And I knew I was growing, and I was getting healthy. And, you know, I'm not saying people should get divorced because of that. Right. Just. That was our story. And Our issue and we're all good now, which I told you, that's, you know, everything's great. But I was having a hard time. What is going on? I was still reeling from the fact that I was sexually abused from my dad's brother between the ages of 2 and 5, multiple times, thrown downstairs. And it stopped when we moved out of one house into another because it was further away. And my uncle would babysit for us. My parents trusted him. We had a German shepherd. Typical cop family. Right. You know, and the only person that that dog let in the house without having being locked up was my uncle and my grandmother, my father's mother, everybody else, you had to lock them away for. So my uncle was trusted there. And so I was not sure. Right. I was in this point in my life where what am I doing? I got this company going, I'm going through a divorce now this guy sound saying I was abused, but now I'm. I have no more, you know, curse. What is all that? I. I was just in.

Jeff Hopeck (29:25)

That's a lot. Oh, man.

Lou Samara (29:28)

I was just in turmoil and I didn't know how to process it.

Jeff Hopeck (29:32)

Plus, you just lost a. Like you lost a child. Not child.

Lou Samara (29:35)

Right. A year or two before that, lost my dad. Right. Before that, marriage was in dis. I mean, I was in a loss. That's what made me start looking at this. Like, why am I. Why is my life a disaster? Disaster? I thought God loved me.

Jeff Hopeck (29:47)

Right, Right. Okay. So on your first trip to Charles, Oklahoma, did it come up the two to five year old sexual abuse thing or did that come up on the next trip when you went back to New York, what did you know for sure? What were the facts?

Lou Samara (30:08)

The facts I knew was I was abused. And yet I had to come clean to, you know, and admit all that stuff, which I did. And then we went through a deliverance. Right. So I went through this, you know, like, okay, break that sin off my life. But that's like. You feel it, right? You feel it when someone's dealing with all these emotions. So I did not address that issue the first time because it was a whole separate issue.

Jeff Hopeck (30:41)

Yeah, right. Did you go see him again?

Lou Samara (30:43)

I went out a month later, spent another week with Charles.

Jeff Hopeck (30:47)

What was the plane ride like going there, man? What emotions?

Lou Samara (30:52)

Fear, Uncertainty.

Jeff Hopeck (30:56)

Yeah. Did you think there was something even deeper than that?

Lou Samara (31:00)

Well, you know, there was a lot. Now when you said that the first time flying home, I was almost. I was like, I can't do this. I can't go home. I don't Know what to do. And I was starting to get, like, claustrophobic on the airplane. I'm like, what's going on? I've never had this problem before. I mean, being a SWAT cop, I go in rooms smaller than this, and we're ranging around and who cares? You know, man, lock me in it. I'm ready to go. Right, Right. I was on the plane and I was flipping out, going home, and I was like, all right, just calm down. Just stay calm. So it was a lot to about to break free. But when those things come up, it's like, why is this happening? Right. I would start asking questions so that I knew on the way home that I wasn't done, but I didn't know what to be done with. Does that make sense?

Jeff Hopeck (31:46)

Does it ever? So you're on a plane back in one month, right now.

Lou Samara (31:50)

On the way back, I was like, wanting answers but afraid to know the answer. You know what I mean?

Jeff Hopeck (31:58)

Absolutely. Did a part of you at all say, maybe this guy could be wrong? Or were you just so would you just know for sure?

Lou Samara (32:07)

Do you know, here's something that, when I think about that, it's a great question. Up until that point in my life, I always thought people knew me better than I knew myself. And I always listened to other people. They're more successful than me. So I didn't have a great self image. Yeah, right. It was a habit. It became habitual. Well, he drives a nicer car. He must be wealthier. He must be smarter. Oh, he's happy. He must be doing something I'm not. So what's wrong with me? Was always somewhere bouncing around. It wasn't a top level, but I got it. Yep. So. And why am I not xyz, abc? Why am I not driving that Porsche right now? Well, back then it was, you know, different cars. Ferrari's, Lamborghinis, they're still there, but they were more affordable then. Yeah, but. And so I knew that he knew something I didn't know, or I thought I knew he knew something I didn't know.

Jeff Hopeck (33:07)

So you go out there, you get to Oklahoma. What does he say when he trip two? Trip two. What does he say? Do you remember when you saw him? Well, how did he greet you?

Lou Samara (33:20)

But I do remember his very warm and welcoming and calming, reassuring. We're gonna work this together. I'm here with you. So we started with something called Theophostic Prayer Ministry.

Jeff Hopeck (33:39)

Say it one more time.

Lou Samara (33:40)

Theophostic Prayer Ministry. They've even changed the name because it's really hard. And basically, you boil it down. Charles and I, of course, we prayed. We asked the Lord to be there, to guide, to protect it. And he said, okay, here's what I want you to do. I want you to go back in your mind to when you were 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 and replay the scene of your uncle abusing you. I did that for days. And then how? Well, you just let it out. Let the memory run. Now, I'm not saying for people to do this.

Jeff Hopeck (34:34)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (34:35)

This is what I did. There's different ways to do it now, right? And that's what I think. The Lord's using that for people to understand. There are many ways to get healed or to let go of those old memories that are toxic, really. I always had stomach issues coming up to that. IBS or whatever it was. I always eat something. Gotta run all this stuff because it was getting stuffed into my body somewhere, right? These old emotions, they bounce around, they get lodged into. You know, I'm not a doctor, I'm not a scientist, but from what I've

Jeff Hopeck (35:12)

seen, you've been through it, though.

Lou Samara (35:14)

I've been through a lot more powerful. So we would unpack each scene, whatever. And I was like, okay, I'm gonna do it. You know, I was holding on tight. He's like, okay, relax. I'm here. It's like a dad figure, right? Like a big brother or dad figure. I never had a big brother, but. But, you know, like a dad. And he would call me, and he said, okay, when you're in that scene, I want you to look for who else is with you. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Who else is with me? And he did it right, because I was. I. I know now, looking back, he could have planted seeds to say, well, find God in that picture. Well, of course you could find God, because your mind can make it up, right? The first time it happened, it was the clearest because that would make me realize that, okay, it was right. I said, jesus is here. And he goes, what? Say it again. I said, jesus with me. And I saw, like, the Catholic picture of Jesus in a robe but hanging in the air in my mind. And he said, he is with you in every one of those scenes. He said, he is always with you. And we replayed every one of those scenes until I could find Jesus in every scene. And I'm crying, but it was beautiful and horrific at the same time.

Jeff Hopeck (36:40)

Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my gosh.

Lou Samara (36:44)

So that was what I had to do for a week. What I chose to do. I didn't have to. Right. This is all on my do. Right. Like Charles didn't hold me down and say, do this. I mean, it's in my mind anyway.

Jeff Hopeck (36:57)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (36:58)

But I wanted to let it go. And that's what. When I was old enough there in my late 37, 38, whatever it was, I think I was old enough to go, I want to let this go. It's time to get rid of it somewhere. Not consciously because I didn't know it was there yet. So after a week of that, I was exhausted and exhilarated because it is a lot brain work, mind work is a lot of work.

Jeff Hopeck (37:29)

Right.

Lou Samara (37:30)

It's a lot of getting rid of this conscious mind who wants to protect us always. Our brain wants to protect us. Right?

Jeff Hopeck (37:38)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (37:39)

You're a secret Service. You know, we're protectors. I was a cop. Yeah. I'm very protective. Right. I mean, we just talked about something a few minutes ago. I'm like, let's go do it together. You know, protecting, protect, get, get rid of the bullies. Yeah.

Jeff Hopeck (37:52)

Yep.

Lou Samara (37:53)

So, but so to be able to let that go, it's work to relax yourself enough to say, okay, what is really here?

Jeff Hopeck (38:05)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (38:07)

So that week I went through this theophostic prayer ministry. He had sent me tapes out, like to watch VCR tapes because he didn't even have them on DVD, even though DVDs were around, but he didn't have them. We're not that old, but. And he really just said, I want you to be ready to let all this go. And he was just fabulous at all of that stuff. And I feel like I was blessed. I was like, how did I get so lucky to find the right guy? Because I had been going to talk there therapy for years. And talk therapy. Yeah, has its place. Just not for this.

Jeff Hopeck (38:48)

Just not for this. So is it all, is it the process and the steps that you took to help you get into that two to five year old brain? Because when you say that I can't remember a single thing I did when I was 2 to 5. We don't even have memories. Or at least that's what we've been told, that we don't have memories. So is it because of a process

Lou Samara (39:16)

that you were able to get back there? It was letting go of my brain thinking, I can't remember that. And having the space and the time to relax and do. We had nothing else to do that day. I mean, he did have to go to his office, remember? And you know, and he had to do all that I'm sorry, saying, remember? But he had to go do that and then come back and okay, we're good for eight hours, you know, so when you're sitting one to one with a guy for eight hours who's trying to help you, and he's just patient and listening and encouraging, and you have nothing else to focus on in the world, not your kids, not your wife, not your business except yourself. Things change.

Jeff Hopeck (39:54)

So is the symptom then? And then the message right here, it. If you don't remember sections of your life, you need to ask deeper questions right now because there could be something. Is that what this is about?

Lou Samara (40:10)

In a way, yes. And it doesn't have to be what I went through. It could be just your parents slammed the door, going out of the bedroom and mad at you for something, and you could have misinterpreted. People misinterpret that. And that's a little trauma thing, right? And they block that out, but. So don't have to be this but. Yes. If there's something blocking that, there's a reason, that's all.

Jeff Hopeck (40:30)

There's a reason your subconscious goes to work. And your brain is so incredibly powerful that it can take those blocks of time, whether it's a day, a week, a month, a year, three years, five years. Wrap something around it. Almost like I'm just making this up, but wrap something around it inside of

Lou Samara (40:49)

your own brain, right?

Jeff Hopeck (40:51)

So you never tap into it again. Is this.

Lou Samara (40:54)

And huh. One of the docs I met along the way, now I. So I went through a 20 year process, starting with Charles, finishing up with something else. Right. And some of the doctors believe that a negative emotion that is hidden away becomes like. What do you call it when you have not, not a cancer, but like, like a physical, like a lesion in your body, like a buildup, like a tumor or something. Tumor?

Jeff Hopeck (41:27)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (41:27)

It doesn't have to be cancerous, but sometimes they believe it's. If it, it comes from a trauma, right? If you get hit with something hard, it could cause a tumor. But I've heard one of the docs, he said that's a dominant focus. And he said that will, you know, that energy, whatever it was that caused that trauma, your body's trying to fight it off. So if it manifests physically, it could become a tumor. Now it's cancerous or not, doesn't matter. It just becomes something that's. So your body and your mind, they all work together. See, I think what I've learned is that the emotional part of our lives. Really helps with our physical health. Right. When you're emotionally healthy, right, for sure. If you're nervous all the time, man, your stomach gets in knots and.

Jeff Hopeck (42:16)

Right, yeah.

Lou Samara (42:17)

So, I mean, think about it. When we do missions, right, you would do forwards, you would do advances, rather, and you would go in, you know, and have people. You'd be on security detail. You're on high alert. High alert.

Jeff Hopeck (42:29)

But if you live in knots, right?

Lou Samara (42:30)

You live in it.

Jeff Hopeck (42:31)

You live in it.

Lou Samara (42:33)

What ifs, what if, what if this happens? What if that happens? Okay, I solved this problem. Go here, go there. If that happens, then I got to go to that, and this guy goes there. You know, it's always so you're in, you know, yellow, red alert, whatever, depending. But the body can't live like that forever, you know, so that's why that built up at that point for me. I was living in stress response, all the fight or flight mode since I was 2 years old.

Jeff Hopeck (43:00)

Then take, take that, take your life. Add some alcohol to it, add some drugs to it, add some this, that, all these other coping mechanisms.

Lou Samara (43:11)

Food.

Jeff Hopeck (43:12)

And you could just make it disappear and not even know. You can go decades and not even know that you have a problem, Right?

Lou Samara (43:20)

But it's food, exercise, work right over

Jeff Hopeck (43:26)

it would be the, the antithesis, like the opposite, but over exercise, using it

Lou Samara (43:31)

to numb six days a week, seven days a week, every day. Gotta run, gotta run, gotta whatever.

Jeff Hopeck (43:36)

Because I can't feel. That's the danger part. I don't want to feel. I don't want to feel emotion.

Lou Samara (43:40)

Yeah.

Jeff Hopeck (43:43)

Wow. All right. Was there, Was there Lou 1.0 to Lou 2.0. Can you get me down to the second where it was like, or the minute or the day where it just all left your body and you went from feeling like 200 pound lou to I'm walking on clouds or I dropped a 200 pound backpack.

Lou Samara (44:12)

Yeah, good question.

Jeff Hopeck (44:14)

Does it happen that way?

Lou Samara (44:16)

Not overnight. Okay, so here. So I started that 20 years ago, and in 20, 23, something was still bugging me. And I'm like, I am so mad now because I'm very right. It was two, three years ago. In my book, there's a woman named Rachel who helped me out. And this is important for people to understand. Emotions need time to be processed. Once I knew that the abuse was there and I went and relived those scenes. Great. But now what?

Jeff Hopeck (44:57)

That's it, Right now what?

Lou Samara (45:00)

So I was looking for someone a couple years after that, within a year or so of meeting Charles and the second time I was there for nlp, Neuro Linguistic programming. And that doctor who told me about the null mutation and the stuff in my family line had a woman at his practice that was one day shows up, I'm looking for someone. Nlp. She goes, I practice nlp. I'm like, okay, you're my girl. Let's go. She's a Brit living in New Jersey. It was hilarious.

Jeff Hopeck (45:28)

Wow, what a tie in. So you got your person.

Lou Samara (45:33)

We started working together to. Here's what happens. The brain has synapses, right? And they fire and they form neural pathways based on our beliefs. Well, at 2 years old to 5 years old, my brain was still. All of our brains are still developing. Again, I'm not a doctor through study and through experience. And so now I have to rewire those beliefs. I wasn't dirty, I wasn't shameful. I wasn't guilty. I wasn't a bad guy because that happened to me. So think about this for you and for all of us and even the listener. We're guys. You and I are freaking dudes, right? I mean, Secret Service, SWAT training team, kicking indoors. I'm still in the gym kicking butt, right? And I got a. I was sexually abused. If it was by a girl, wouldn't it be great? Oh, well, that would have been fun. It still would have been traumatic. Sure. But by a male and a. And a family member like dad's brother, that is shameful for a guy like us to have to. It still makes me like the person

Jeff Hopeck (46:43)

that's supposed to protect you and be trusted around you.

Lou Samara (46:47)

So think about all that going on in someone's life. Male, female, doesn't matter. But male on male to me is like the worst. Right? So I had to process those emotions. And as Rachel developed her practice, I developed and we went through something called. For a long time, it was a journey. We would journey into my subconscious mind. She would just be there to listen and make sure I would ask questions. What he senses, what are you feeling? What do you see? And I tell her, okay, what is that? She basically was a guide. It's important for people to know when you go find someone to help. You want someone who doesn't plant thoughts or seeds. They just ask, what are you sensing? What does that mean to you? Have you thought about why things like that, instead of saying, oh, well, you were abused, so you don't want any judgment. Well, you're going to act like this. Well, if you're in your subconscious mind, you've got to battle that. And I never wanted that. The other thing that I found is in my belief. I asked Jesus into every session I did with her. I said, jesus, I believe you're here. You're going to help us through this. And I said, I invite you into this session. That was my protection, to be not misled.

Jeff Hopeck (48:11)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (48:11)

So.

Jeff Hopeck (48:12)

So.

Lou Samara (48:13)

And as I did that, we would sit and I want to explain this to you because it's very powerful. We sat. I mean, I did timeline therapy, gestalt therapy. I mean, all kinds of therapy, right? I mean, and if you read some very successful people, they've done the same thing because they're trying to solve the puzzle. It's a puzzle, right. Wow. So we did something after journeys, then we came to something called the campfire. Loved campfire scenes. It's unconditional love, eternal silence. I would picture in my subconscious, sitting across next to a campfire with my uncle. My grandparents. One of my. My grandmother was aware of this. My grandfather, I don't know. And I would blast him. Well, how do you feel? You effing. So. Oh, man. And I let it all out. I lit up.

Jeff Hopeck (49:08)

She goes, in your mind.

Lou Samara (49:09)

In my mind. And I feel it in my body. No, I spoke out loud. I would speak out loud, but in the. I was in my subconscious, but I was letting them have it. Okay, then. Then here's what she did. Brilliant. Now that you've emptied out, what would your uncle say to you? And I go, I don't care. I don't know. No, no, go deeper into your mind. What would he say? Oh, he would say, all of a sudden, one day, opened my mouth and it started coming out and I was like, what is this stuff? This is wild. Our minds are powerful. We are all connected, brother. We are all connected. What was that?

Jeff Hopeck (49:52)

What were some of your answers?

Lou Samara (49:54)

Some of my uncles said, well, I was just jealous. I. I knew how special you were and I didn't want you to be because I never had what you have. You have loving parents. And he would just give it back to me and he would blame me because he was upset with his life

Jeff Hopeck (50:12)

and spoke out that way.

Lou Samara (50:13)

Spoke out. And then she said, okay, now you respond to him in love. Guy beat me, man.

Jeff Hopeck (50:23)

Was it physical? Okay, so it was. It was both, though. It was like. It was physical and sexual and is there an actual difference between the two? Is it the obvious or. Or can one be the other and one?

Lou Samara (50:36)

No, it was. It was sexual. All kinds of stuff.

Jeff Hopeck (50:39)

So. But he was also. There was physical abuse.

Lou Samara (50:41)

Oh, yeah. Threw me down you know, stairs, smack, you know, beat me up a little bit. But at 2 years old, when he got backhanded by a friend, 40 year old guy, that's pretty rough. You know, threatened to kill me if I told my parents, you know, things like. Or threatened to kill my sisters if I told my parents with me. At that point, I was too young to care. I didn't know. I wasn't afraid of that after what I'd been through, but threatening to kill my sister. And that came out when I had to tell my mom about this when I released my book. And she's like, why didn't you tell us? And I said, I don't know. But after all this work, I said, because he had threatened to kill me, my sister,

Jeff Hopeck (51:26)

at still that, like, really young age.

Lou Samara (51:29)

Yeah. Well, when I was. Probably when she was born, I was. It happened after the first one was born, until the third one was born, I think so.

Jeff Hopeck (51:38)

Wow, that's incredible. So tell me about the work.

Lou Samara (51:43)

So the campfire was letting it go and then going, okay, I forgive you.

Jeff Hopeck (51:51)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (51:53)

But not just, yeah, I forgive you. That's good. No, I had to feel it. Rachel goes, you need to feel it in every cell of your body. How do you do that? Well, you just let it happen. I worked with Rachel for 17 years since Charles, and I was like, all right, I'm getting a little. All right. Lord, we got to put a cap on this. I'm done. You know, I don't know our timing, so I want to kind of bring it to a.

Jeff Hopeck (52:26)

This is great.

Lou Samara (52:27)

So. And I worked with Rachel, and it cost me a lot of money, man. And this stuff isn't cheap.

Jeff Hopeck (52:33)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (52:34)

Thousand tens and tens. I mean, if I. You look back, you know, the Porsche is in here. Maybe the Lamborghini is in here. You know, depends on which Porsche. Right? Anyway, but. But I had a deep something in my mind, said if I get this right, I'll make billions.

Jeff Hopeck (52:57)

Right.

Lou Samara (52:57)

And I'm not about making the billions.

Jeff Hopeck (52:59)

Right.

Lou Samara (53:00)

But it's about the impact I can make in the world.

Jeff Hopeck (53:03)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (53:03)

But it was gnawing that. Get this done. Whatever this inside is bugging you, solve it, because then you're free. Really free. So I worked with Rachel. We moved in 2020. We moved from New Jersey to Georgia. And I was working with Rachel still a little bit, you know, And I was starting to get a little like, all right, I've been through this long time now, you know, I'm pushing 60 here. I had to let go. So why am I paying her thousands of dollars to do this stuff. I talked to my wife about it and I met somebody, a friend of mine. We were in San Antonio, Leslie and I, and we went to see a friend of ours, a woman I've known for 20 some odd years. Businesswoman, successful, never married, had two kids through a donor, and just very smart, very intelligent. And we went to see her and she was glowing. And Leslie and I go, what is going on with you? She goes, read this book, and if you're interested, you let me know. The book is called A Dose of Hope. I had it in my audible that day. I was done in that, you know, however fast I could listen to that thing. And then I got a copy, right? And I'm like, I was just tired of chasing what's wrong with me. Why do I have to have someone else to help me be right? That. That's where most people live all their life. Think about that. Right? And we talk about it over therapized. Right. We don't. You know, and I got. And my. My personality type is what they call D or choleric or cleric, you know, whatever you want to say. But it's like, I want control, but I want control of me. That's where, you know, we talk about that in the. In the Christian world. Like, you're a warrior. We need to be a warrior over our own stuff. We need to be the conqueror of ourself.

Jeff Hopeck (55:10)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (55:11)

Then everything else is fine. Because then you could say anything to me. And I go, okay, now why are you saying that? You know, instead of, let's go, yeah.

Jeff Hopeck (55:18)

Sword fight, knife fight. Yeah.

Lou Samara (55:20)

Because I still have the switch. You still have the switch. We'll always have the switch that we need to go. We go, right? I mean, that's. And that makes me feel good that I have that switch. Right, Right. But there's some ego in there. Right. But it's also confidence in knowing that we're okay.

Jeff Hopeck (55:37)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (55:38)

I read that book, A dose of hope. Dr. Dan, I don't recall his last name. And I said to my friend Mandy, I go, where did you go? She goes, call this person. Her name is Puma. I am not calling a woman named Puma. Give me a freaking. Here we go again.

Jeff Hopeck (55:58)

Right, Right.

Lou Samara (56:00)

Do you know that the Lord uses these simple things to confound the wise? Right? And I'm like, and. But her business partner's name is Morgan. Dude. Dude.

Jeff Hopeck (56:13)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (56:14)

I was like, okay. He's like, thank God. At least somebody who's a little, you know, so. And this is Very. You know, this is. I mean, this is real and personal, and this is my story. And whatever people think is what they're going to think. But it worked. So I went to this place, some unknown place in Arizona that is off the grid. Totally awesome. Morgan built it out himself. And, you know, I've given the book to people and say, if you really want freedom, you need to go see him. So I'm very careful with what I do because I don't want to be misunderstood. Led. I've already said that. Even though. Even though I'm confident, I know there's ways to pull people off track because I'm human and I've been off track myself many times.

Jeff Hopeck (57:04)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (57:05)

Yeah. This morning I go spend a couple of days with these folks.

Jeff Hopeck (57:13)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (57:15)

Here's what they say. What do you want in your life, man? I got this stuff journaled. I have books. I have solid volumes of what I want in my dreams. And, you know, who I'm going to be and who I am. But what do you really want? Boil it down. Write it down. Okay. Write out some goals. You're going to take it to God. I go, I'm going to take it to God. Yeah. This is what you want, right? You want answers, you're going to get answers. But you need to know what you want. So this is a thing, therapy. That conservative Christian, white male would probably be like, who's going to. Catholic, Italian, you know, who's going to say this guy would ever do this? Right? It's called mdma. Have you heard of that? Mdma, okay. They use it in medical circles to. To help people. And we'll talk more about it offline. But it puts you into your subconscious, and it takes away your conscious mind's control for a few hours.

Jeff Hopeck (58:28)

Yeah. Okay. I do know a use of it. I know when they use it.

Lou Samara (58:32)

Right.

Jeff Hopeck (58:32)

I got you.

Lou Samara (58:34)

So. But this was very structured, guided. Right? Okay. This is proper for where you're going to be, and people are there making sure everything is right. But another, don't tell my wife, several thousand dollars, you know, and the Lord has shown me he'll take care of that. But to be free for me was priceless. And so I spent a weekend there, and I got there after all this, 20 years of work or 18, 19 years of work, and I was a little jacked. I'm sitting in the woods talking, like out on the riverside, not in the woods, talking to this guy, Morgan, what's going on? He goes, why are you. So I go, well, I'm always On high alert. He goes, you don't need to live that way. I don't? No. That's why you're here. I'm like, I am? Yeah, look, I'm just turning 60 and I'm like, I'm still on high alert and still deep. From five years old, the body takes a long time to let go of this stuff and the mind is even longer. And so, okay, we have a quiet time. It's just me and him quiet. I wrote down what I wanted. They chuckled about it. You want that? I go, yeah, I want that. And I'm going to get it. I said, okay, here we go. You got two to five hours of whatever. This is your journey. I had heard that word before working with Rachel. So I knew how to go in the subconscious. And Morgan said, okay, just breathe and ask your questions. Just breathe and ask questions. That's all my job was to do. And the Lord met me there in a way I've never felt before. And he helped me understand. And he solved the problem of who's in control. Not me, Him. He solved the problem of how to live in joy and love and let him control. Joy and love is how he wanted us. He wants us to live. He solved the problem of. Yeah, there's a lot of definitions of God, but love is the power of the universe, is what I learned in that session. Love. And I'm like, what kind of love? Right. But without any conscious thoughts going on and knowing how to get deep into my subconscious. Those 17, 18 years of working up to that helped me cap it. And I came back and here's what the Lord said to me. And people go, you spoke to the Lord? Well, no, he spoke to me. You know, we had a conversation, which is what he wants, but our subconscious mind is where it all happens. And he said, you can leave here with more than Coach prime confidence. And I laughed. And I'm like, I love Coach Prime. And he goes, you can laugh, man. I want you to be in joy and laugh. And I. I was like, man, why are we so up tense? Why are we so uptight? Why am I wanna. You know, Guy cuts me off in traffic. Why do I wanna. Yeah, you know, right? It's not the way it's meant.

Jeff Hopeck (61:51)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (61:52)

So when we're in a peaceful state, our body works better, our mind works better, our relationships. So 20 year journey, starting out with living at my mom's, finding out that an atrocious thing happened to me as a kid, capping it off with, it's just a distant memory. And a distant lesson. And it was used for a bigger purpose.

Jeff Hopeck (62:16)

Yeah.

Lou Samara (62:17)

And now I have two things in my life to do outside of my family. And, you know, the normal. Not the normal, but the, you know, my. The family things.

Jeff Hopeck (62:24)

Sure.

Lou Samara (62:24)

I have two missions in life, and I'm on them.

Jeff Hopeck (62:29)

What are they?

Lou Samara (62:30)

One is to help people in my business, in my health coaching business, to get free their health issues. Help them.

Jeff Hopeck (62:35)

Physical.

Lou Samara (62:36)

Physical.

Jeff Hopeck (62:37)

Yep.

Lou Samara (62:37)

But we have a whole thinking component in that program which leads them to say, I want to check this out. You can call this guy, call this girl, call this guy, call this girl, get yourself together. The other one is child sex trafficking. We need to do something about it. And with my background and with the people that are being put into place, there will be a network to help stop that because that is damaging human beings.

Jeff Hopeck (63:10)

So I interviewed a guy. We didn't talk about this before we close. I interviewed a guy a couple times who started Deliver Fund. He's a former CIA guy and he's leading the country in. He calls them. Reconnects kids and. Kids and families that are going through human trafficking.

Lou Samara (63:29)

Wow.

Jeff Hopeck (63:29)

Connecting them back. And they're behind a lot of really big stuff. Really big. Like the Epstein stuff. They just made an announcement.

Lou Samara (63:39)

Wow.

Jeff Hopeck (63:39)

His software was part of a big piece of that. Yeah. So Deliver Fund, he's. And what his special. What makes them so unique and special, so effective is they hire former law enforcement.

Lou Samara (63:55)

That's my vision, too.

Jeff Hopeck (63:56)

Military law enforcement to help get in the community. So anyway. Okay. Give me a message to everybody out there. What do you want to say?

Lou Samara (64:06)

I want to say. Excuse me. Sorry. I want to say, be patient with yourself. Love yourself and look inside. Look inside. Why do you react when your wife says X and you blow up? Or why do you react when your husband says why? It's not just your relationship. There's something deeper.

Jeff Hopeck (64:30)

Right.

Lou Samara (64:32)

Why do you. I'm from Jersey, man. I know how to drive. Cop. I have all kinds of driving lessons, motorcycle, how to drop. I grew up on my. But why when somebody cuts me off, do I want to just blast them off the road? Road. That anger. Why is that? Solve that. Why is it, like me, maybe you're not feeling your best. Why is it you always feel, you know, somebody's better than you? Ask those questions in your own quiet time. Whether you believe in Lord or you believe in whatever you believe in, Ask your subconscious mind. I would say ask God to, you know, ask really? The one I believe is Jesus. To go to the father. That's how we're learned. But ask the creator of the universe. That way you don't have to give him a name. Ask the creator of the universe. Help me. What is it that you want me to know about this? And then solve it and go live a great life.

Jeff Hopeck (65:32)

Bonus question. I got to ask it.

Lou Samara (65:35)

Do it.

Jeff Hopeck (65:36)

So when you look at your whole story now, the parts that you knew, the parts that you didn't, what's the biggest thing that it's taught you about being human?

Lou Samara (65:51)

That's a really good question. Patience with people. Everybody is going through something, which is cliche, and I don't mean to be cliche. Yeah, but we don't know. I don't know what you went through because you probably don't know what you went through right now.

Jeff Hopeck (66:08)

I don't.

Lou Samara (66:08)

I used to think, but I don't anymore. I'm not trying. And I love. No, I love it.

Jeff Hopeck (66:12)

This is great.

Lou Samara (66:13)

But just love. Love and be patient with people, because we don't know. Yeah, we don't know. Nobody knew about me. Yeah, they still don't. When I meet somebody, and then when I open up the door a little bit, they're just like. And then they're like, I would never

Jeff Hopeck (66:31)

know this if I didn't have a podcast. And my giftedness is finding out about just, like, known people. So incredibly deep. But. Yeah, but this is what connects us exactly. Like, because now I look and now I examine my own life. But I'm also thinking, so we don't know somebody's story. Big picture. But there's also. We don't know what somebody went through 15 minutes ago. Right, right, right. The dated. I mean.

Lou Samara (67:04)

Yeah. We just never know. So love and be patient with people is my messages.

Jeff Hopeck (67:09)

That's. That's the message. Thank you so much.

Lou Samara (67:12)

Yeah. Brother.

Jeff Hopeck (67:13)

For doing this special and awesome. I appreciate it. Great. Wow.