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In this eleventh interview of the "17 Rooms'' podcast, Lisa Dreier and David Obura discuss their efforts to develop a framework that can help local communities identify and catalyze systemic action that benefits people, ocean biodiversity, and ocean-based economic activities. Dreier, managing director of the Advanced Leadership Initiative at Harvard and Obura, founding director for CORDIO East Africa, moderated Room 14 focused on Sustainable Development Goal number 14—on life below water—during the 2021 17 Rooms flagship process.

"17 Rooms" is a podcast about actions, insights, and community for the Sustainable Development Goals and the people driving them. The podcast is co-hosted by John McArthur—senior fellow and director of the Center for Sustainable Development at The Brookings Institution, and Zia Khan—senior vice president for innovation at The Rockefeller Foundation.

Show notes and transcript: https://brook.gs/3qQfCZk

"17 Rooms" is part of the Brookings Podcast Network. Subscribe and listen on Apple, Spotify, Google Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Send feedback to podcasts@brookings.edu, and follow and tweet at @policypodcasts on Twitter.