Blood and Water: Face to Face

Summary

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20/20: Blood and Water – Face to Face

Date: June 3, 2026
Host: Stephanie Ramos (ABC News)

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Episode Overview

This gripping true crime episode follows the arrest, interrogation, and eventual confession of Eugene Glegor, who was charged with the 2001 murder of Leslie Preer. Over two decades after the crime, detectives confront Glegor with new DNA evidence, unraveling a mystery that forever shaped the lives of Leslie's daughter, Lauren Preer, and their community. The episode explores the emotional confrontation, the ripple effects on families and friends, and the lingering question of "why?" that remains, even after the case is closed.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Arrest of Eugene Glegor

• Setting the Scene (00:00–02:14):
  Eugene Glegor, 45, is abruptly arrested outside his northwest D.C. home by five plainclothes officers. He is confused, embarrassed, and in pain from the handcuffs, repeatedly asking, “Can you tell me what this is about?”
• Officers remain tight-lipped: Glegor’s confusion underscores the dramatic secrecy leading up to his confrontation with cold case detectives.

2. First and Only Interrogation (03:24–13:32)

• Detective Confrontation: Detectives Tara Augustin and Allison Dupois question Glegor about his relationship to Leslie Preer and her daughter, Lauren.
  • "We are from Montgomery County. We actually work in the cold case unit. Do you recall back in 2001, Leslie Preer?" – Detective Tara Augustin (04:40)
  • Glegor admits dating Lauren but is vague on details about his connections to the family.
• The Interrogation Dance (06:38–07:58):
  Both sides dodge details. Detectives suggest DNA evidence without specifics; Glegor queries the need for arrest over a simple conversation.
  • "I'm just confused as to why that's the case." – Eugene Glegor (07:25)
  • "We needed to talk to you in a controlled environment..." – Detective Tara Augustin (07:42)
• Miranda and the Turn (08:06–09:59):
  Glegor invokes his right to counsel; detectives stop questions but disclose:
  • "We actually have a sample of your DNA... and it matched." – Detective Tara Augustin (08:33)
  • Glegor is stunned, insisting, "I have no recollection. I have no memory. I don't know what to say." (09:08)
• Escalation & Accusations:
  • "You're dry? I just don't want you to tear. This seems a little put on." – Detective Tara Augustin (11:02–11:21)
  • Glegor protests: "You're saying I'm guilty before I've even been put it into a court of law." (11:48–11:58)
• Adamant Denial:
  After pushing for a denial, Glegor finally says:
  • "I didn't do it. I definitely didn't do it." (13:26)

3. Detectives’ Reflections Post-Interview (15:19–17:42)

• Detectives Augustin and Dupois suspect Glegor had rehearsed his emotional performance.
  • "Performance of a lifetime." – Detective Tara Augustin (16:06)
  • "He was very much wanting to be the victim in the situation." – Detective Allison Dupois (16:47)
• They express concern that a jury might misinterpret his demeanor.

4. Impact on Lauren Preer & the Community (18:08–23:52)

• Lauren Preer’s Long Wait for Truth:
  • After decades of confusion and her father's death (who was under suspicion), Lauren begins to find peace—until her “world was once again upside down” when she learns her ex-boyfriend is the killer (19:30).
  • "You can't even process it. I was in shock. I said, what? I'm still in shock." – Lauren Preer (20:17)
  • "It's insane. Someone I dated, went to prom with..." (21:03)
• Community Reaction:
  Friends and colleagues of both Lauren and Glegor struggled to reconcile the news with their experiences.
  • "I just still can't wrap my head around that." – Lisa Wood, Lauren’s friend (22:46)
  • "It's just a little scary knowing that the person who pet our cat... extinguished the life of another human being." – Jordan Wires, colleague (23:19)

5. The Elusive Motive (24:15–27:44)

• Detective’s Theory:
  Detective Tara Augustin surmises that Glegor, believing the house was empty, panicked upon discovering Leslie and killed her to avoid recognition.
  • "He just panicked and only thought about himself and made a selfish decision to kill Leslie in the heat of the moment just so he could get away." – Detective Tara Augustin (27:14)
• Glegor’s Partial Confession:
  In court documents, he admits to heavy drinking and a “vague memory” of a physical altercation, but claims no recollection of key details (27:44).

6. The Legal Resolution (25:37–31:54)

• Guilty Plea & Sentencing:
  • In April 2025, Glegor pleads guilty to second-degree murder, avoiding a trial and a life sentence.
  • Lauren Preer is relieved: "No, that would have been hell." (26:25)
• Courtroom Remorse:
  Glegor addresses the court with a prepared statement.
  • "Your Honor, I want to express my deepest regret, shame and remorse for the devastating tragedy that I caused..." – Eugene Glegor (29:17)
  • "I'm sorry it's taken me this long to take full responsibility. I'm grateful the time has come. I'm relieved. The secret is over." (29:43)
• Selective Amnesia:
  Prosecutors remain skeptical, calling Glegor’s memory “convenient” and “implausible.” (31:30)
• Lauren’s Statement:
  She calls Glegor a “monster and a wolf in sheep’s clothing,” confronting him in court.

7. Aftermath & Reflection (32:52–end)

• Lauren Remembers:
  She describes her mother Leslie as her “hope, pride, joy, beauty,” and reflects on a childhood “perfect world” destroyed by tragedy (32:52–33:21).
• Ongoing Grief:
  Lauren laments that her father, long a suspect, died before seeing the case solved:
  • "I'm so sorry that you didn't get to see justice. But you're getting justice." (33:53)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Eugene Glegor on his state during interrogation:
  • "I feel a little bit trapped here." (08:03)
  • "I don't know what to say. I'm not. I have no recollection. I have no memory." (09:08)
• Detective Tara Augustin challenging Glegor’s emotions:
  • "You're dry? … This seems a little put on." (11:02–11:21)
• Lauren’s reaction to the arrest:
  • "You can't even process it. I was in shock. I said, what? I'm still in shock." (20:17)
• Detective Tara Augustin’s theory:
  • "He just panicked and only thought about himself and made a selfish decision to kill Leslie..." (27:14)
• Glegor’s courtroom remorse:
  • "I'm sorry it's taken me this long to take full responsibility. I'm grateful the time has come. I'm relieved. The secret is over." (29:43)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:00–02:14: Glegor’s arrest and immediate confusion.
• 03:24–13:32: Full interrogation and confrontation with detectives.
• 15:19–17:42: Detectives reflect on Glegor’s demeanor and the case.
• 18:08–21:12: Lauren and community reactions to Glegor’s arrest.
• 27:14: Detective Augustin’s theory on the crime.
• 29:17–31:54: Glegor’s courtroom apology and sentencing.

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Conclusion

This episode of "Blood and Water" unpacks how decades-old DNA evidence finally led to justice for Leslie Preer, even as motive and full closure remain out of reach. The sorrow and shock reverberate through Lauren, law enforcement, and the community. Glegor is now serving a 22-year sentence, but the emotional aftermath and the unanswerable "why" linger for those closest to the case. Lauren’s resilience—her journey from grief to some measure of peace—anchors the heart of this story.

Transcript

[Stephanie Ramos]

This is Debra Roberts here with another weekly episode of our latest true crime series from ABC and ABC Audio, Blood and Water. Remember, you can get new episodes early by following Blood and Water on Apple podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you're listening right now. Here's the next episode of Blood and Water. You survived the Miami weekend, nailed the speech, and maxed out your credit card in the name of friendship. Now you've got one hangover, four pastel dresses, and zero reasons to wear them again. Sell them on Depop. Just snap a few photos and we'll take care of the rest and you at least get some of your dignity money back. Someone on depop wants what you've got. Start selling now, Depop. Where taste recognizes taste. One morning in the summer of 2024, Eugene Glegor was sitting on his stoop In Northwest Washington, D.C. glegor was 45, with wavy brown hair and a neatly trimmed beard. He wore glasses and a polo shirt with the logo of the company he worked for stitched above the heart. Gleegore lived on a charming street lined with pre war buildings and a red brick sidewalk. Just down the block was the main drag, a trendy stretch dotted with brunch spots and a Trader Joe's. It was in this picturesque setting that Glegor was abruptly arrested.

[Eugene Glegor]

Hands up, man. Hands up.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Glegor was surrounded by five plainclothes officers who handcuffed him and led him to a car.

[Eugene Glegor]

Can you tell me what this is about? Yeah. You have a warrant? For what? I don't know. You got anything recently? No.

[Stephanie Ramos]

5 officers arresting one man would have been an unusual sight on this street.

[Eugene Glegor]

This is awfully embarrassing here.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Not only was Glegor embarrassed, he also said he was in pain. From the handcuffs on my right hand.

[Eugene Glegor]

This is really cutting off.

[Judge]

All right, we'll just change it.

[Eugene Glegor]

Just a sec. Okay, hold on.

[Narrator/Announcer]

They're not made for comfort, but we'll make it.

[Eugene Glegor]

I get it.

[Judge]

Yeah, we'll make it.

[Stephanie Ramos]

We'll use it. In the body camera footage, the officers don't tell Glegor what he's being arrested for, but he'd find out later that day. Glegor was about to come face to face with the cold case detectives who spent years trying to find Leslie Preer's killer. Now that Glegor was in custody, the detectives would confront him with what their investigation had uncovered. And as you'll here, Eugene Glegor didn't take it well. From abc audio and 20 20, I'm stephanie ramos. This is blood and water episode six face to face.

[Eugene Glegor]

Have a seat right there.

[Stephanie Ramos]

After Eugene Glegor was arrested, he was taken into an interrogation room.

[Eugene Glegor]

Anyway, I can get some water.

[Stephanie Ramos]

I'll get you some water.

[Eugene Glegor]

Go and have a seat. Okay, thank you.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Soon after, Detectives Take Tara Augustin and Allison dupois walked in and took a seat.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Hi, Jean.

[Narrator/Announcer]

Hello.

[Stephanie Ramos]

This interview would end up being the only time detectives sat down with Gleegore. The stakes were high.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

I'm sure you're wondering what this is all about.

[Eugene Glegor]

Really like to know. This has been really, really hard, whatever's happening.

[Stephanie Ramos]

The detectives began by reading Glee Gore his rights and. And asking some standard questions.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

What is your physical condition today? Do you have any injuries? Are you feeling okay?

[Eugene Glegor]

I mean, I'm feeling a little bit caught off guard and from the handcuffs, there seems to be a lump on my hand. I don't know if it. Okay, is it swelling? Is it a blood clot? I don't know. I've been holding my hand above my heart just so. Hopefully it helps to heal.

[Stephanie Ramos]

The detectives began telling Glegor about the case they'd been working on.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

We are from Montgomery County. We actually work in the cold case unit. Do you recall back in 2001, Leslie Preyer?

[Eugene Glegor]

Yes. That she was murdered?

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Yeah. Okay, so that's the case that we are investigating. What was your relationship with Lauren, the daughter?

[Eugene Glegor]

We had dated.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Okay, and when did you guys date?

[Eugene Glegor]

Do you remember?

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Years.

[Eugene Glegor]

Exact dates? I'm not entirely sure.

[Stephanie Ramos]

There were lots of details. Glegor said he didn't remember. When he did answer questions, he didn't reveal all that much.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

When you guys were dating, how close were you with the family? Like, did you spend a lot of time at their house or did you know them real well?

[Eugene Glegor]

I knew the family. I, you know, definitely spent time. She spent time at my house. I've spent time at her house. Yeah, you know, for sure.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

So how were you close with her parents?

[Eugene Glegor]

I mean, I wouldn't say close with them. I don't know if close would be the right word, but they were friendly with me and nice to me.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

So were you at her house a lot of the time, or did you guys spend more time at your house? Or what did you guys do when you.

[Eugene Glegor]

I mean, it was a mix. My house, her house, being out. I mean, we're young and teenagers, so there was, you know, going out and.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Okay.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Watching the footage, Glegor seems to be holding back, but he's not the only one. When detectives began telling Glegor about the case, they left out Key details they did not immediately say, we have your DNA, and it matched the crime scene DNA. Instead, what they told him was a little more cryptic.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

From the crime scene, we have DNA from the person who was there when Leslie died. So there's Leslie's blood all over the place, obviously. But then there's also another DNA profile that was picked up from the crime scene, and we wanted to find out more about you and if there was any kind of situation where you could have been at the house at that time.

[Stephanie Ramos]

What's fascinating about this interview is that it feels like Glegor and the detectives are doing a sort of dance. Like both sides are trying to figure out what the other knows what without revealing too much about what they themselves know. And it's not just the detectives who are asking questions.

[Eugene Glegor]

I'm just. I'm a little confused. To find out more and talk to me, why not just call me and ask me to come in and talk to me versus have marshals come and arrest me and bring me in? I'm just confused as to why that's the case.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Well, because we needed to talk to you in a controlled environment and because there's a little bit more to it than what we've told you so far.

[Eugene Glegor]

Could you tell me?

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Well, we're getting there. I'm trying to give you an opportunity to be a little bit forthcoming before we.

[Eugene Glegor]

I mean, I feel very. I feel a little bit trapped here,

[Detective Tara Augustin]

like, well, you're under arrest, so you should feel trapped.

[Eugene Glegor]

Right. And so I think, you know, I mean, probably asking for a lawyer is my best course of action at this point.

[Stephanie Ramos]

With that, the detectives tell Glegor, okay, no more questions.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

That's totally fine, and we don't have to ask you any more questions, but we are going to just tell you some stuff.

[Eugene Glegor]

Okay?

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Okay.

[Stephanie Ramos]

And then the detectives lay their cards out on the table.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

We actually have a sample of your DNA, and it was compared to the crime scene DNA, and it matched. So we know that you were there at the time when Leslie died.

[Eugene Glegor]

But I never gave a sample of DNA.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

That's correct. We obtained a sample from a discarded water bottle that you drank out of, and we collected it after you discarded it into the trash, and it was swabbed and it was compared. So your DNA matches the crime scene DNA.

[Eugene Glegor]

I don't know what to say. I'm not. I have no recollection. I have no memory. I have no. I. I don't know what to say.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Okay, well, that's why we wanted to talk to you. To find out if there's any other explanation.

[Detective Allison Dupois]

You know, we wanted to try to see if there was another angle or another side to this story and, you know, we know.

[Eugene Glegor]

Why would my DNA be there?

[Detective Tara Augustin]

That's what we're trying to figure out.

[Eugene Glegor]

So. I don't know. I, I, I don't know. You know, I mean, I was in the house, but it was years before, you know, when I dated her.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Correct.

[Eugene Glegor]

I, I don't know. I wish I could tell you. I don't know. I don't understand. Is there more? Like you're going to tell me, is there more?

[Detective Tara Augustin]

I mean, we've told you plenty. We can't continue to ask you questions.

[Detective Allison Dupois]

Yeah, we can tell you more about, you know, what we think happened.

[Eugene Glegor]

I don't, I mean, what you think happened. I don't know. I can't verify. I don't know. I don't recall. I don't have any memory. I didn't do anything that you're talking about, so I don't know, and I don't feel like I can. I don't know how to answer and go into. I don't want to incriminate myself with questions. You guys are professionals. I'm not. I don't know. I really do think I need an attorney. I need to use the phone and I need to call someone and I need to. I need legal representation before I respond to anything else. I.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Okay, that's fine. We're not going to ask you any more questions. There's no tears coming out of your face.

[Eugene Glegor]

I'm very dry right now.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

You're dry?

[Eugene Glegor]

I'm very dry. I'm parched, dehydrated. You can probably see my eyes are bloodshot red because I'm just tired and drained. I don't know what's going on. You want me to go drink water so I can tear? Like, what the. What's wrong with you?

[Detective Tara Augustin]

I don't want you to tear. I just don't want you.

[Eugene Glegor]

What are you trying to say?

[Detective Tara Augustin]

I'm just trying to say that this seems a little put on.

[Eugene Glegor]

Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? No. Oh, my God, you're so full of it. You're just, you're after. This is, this is the police? This is. Yes. Like, it makes sense, you know? It's in your eyes. It's guilty until proven innocent. I get it.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Well, honey, your DNA was in the crime scene. That's why, like, there's a reason.

[Eugene Glegor]

There's, there's just, there's. There's there's due process. Right, Due process. So you're saying that, but you know. So you're saying I'm guilty before I've even been put it into a court of law.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

I'm saying that there's probable cause to believe that you were there when I

[Eugene Glegor]

think what you were saying was the contrary to that. So. Okay, but I don't remember. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

[Detective Allison Dupois]

What we're trying to figure out is how your blood was at the scene that day.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

If there's an alternate explanation, that's why we wanted to talk to you today. Okay. So I feel like you just need to take a breath for a second. Okay? That's what we're trying to figure out. Why is your blood there?

[Detective Allison Dupois]

Could it have been, you know, an interrupted burglary? Did something happen where you didn't expect anybody to be home?

[Eugene Glegor]

I have no idea. I don't remember. I don't recall. Again, you're asking me questions. I don't know. You did. You just asked me a question and I asked for legal representation. And you guys are very smart, smug, looking at me like I'm. Like I've done something. And of course it's innocent until proven guilty, right? Am I wrong or am I right?

[Detective Allison Dupois]

You are entitled to your due process.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Absolutely.

[Eugene Glegor]

This is insane. This is insane. I don't.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

You keep saying you don't remember and you don't have any recollection. Well, but if somebody was not involved, it would be an adamant. I didn't do it.

[Eugene Glegor]

Oh, I didn't do it. I definitely didn't do it.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Eugene Glegor was adamant, but the detectives, they weren't buying it. And they later told me what. What they were thinking. As this unusual interview continued to unfold.

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[Eugene Glegor]

Oh, no.

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[Eugene Glegor]

Oh, my God. It's got to be deliciously desperate.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Why would these girls forgive him?

[Eugene Glegor]

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[Detective Tara Augustin]

If you were rehearsing in your head what you would say. 23 years waiting to be caught for a murder. I'm guessing he had been working on this performance for a while.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Last summer, when I interviewed detectives Tara Augustin and Allison dupois, we watched the footage of their interview with Eugene Glegor. The camera was positioned high above the room, too far up to read Glegor's face clearly, but the detectives insisted Gleegor's tears were not real.

[Detective Allison Dupois]

It was very put on. That was my opinion of it, sitting there watching it.

[Stephanie Ramos]

He sounds emotional. He sounds like he's crying. Can't really see it from this angle, but you could. Both of you could.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

You're sitting right across from him, taking his glasses off, rubbing his eyes. Performance of a lifetime.

[Stephanie Ramos]

The detective said Glegor wanted to come off as someone to feel sorry for an innocent man who just happened to be in handcuffs. And you called him out on that.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

I guess what was going through my mind was if a jury were to watch this, it's not close up enough to show that he's really not crying. And his performance, to me, looked very fake. But I don't know what it's going to look like to 12 people who weren't 4ft away from him.

[Detective Allison Dupois]

He was very much wanting to be the victim in the situation. You want to make sure that the focus is on Leslie. She's the victim here. He's not the victim.

[Eugene Glegor]

I've been an alcoholic in recovery for years now. I've been sober for years. And there are many, many times in which earlier life wasn't great. But at the same time, I know I didn't do it. I know I wasn't involved. And I just don't understand how this has come to this. I really wish I knew, and I really wish I could tell you some, give you some answers and give you more feedback from an honest perspective, because I just don't know. I just don't know. I don't.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

I don't know either. That's why we wanted to talk to you. I don't know why your blood Is there?

[Eugene Glegor]

Wow.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

The only person that knows is Leslie, and she can't tell us.

[Eugene Glegor]

Wow.

[Stephanie Ramos]

When you walked out of that room, what went through your mind? What were you thinking?

[Detective Tara Augustin]

I was frustrated because I wanted to be able to give answers to the family, and he just wasn't providing any.

[Stephanie Ramos]

At the time of Eugene Glegor's arrest, Lauren Preer had lived through more than two decades of pain and confusion. From 2001 on, the mystery of who killed her mother remained unsolved. And for years, suspicion hung over her father, Sandy Prior. Sandy died without knowing the truth. He never got closure, and Lauren thought she might not either. But when we spoke, Lauren told me there came a moment sometime in the years after her father died when. Where she felt like she might finally be able to make peace with everything that had happened.

[Lauren Preer]

If I have to accept this, then I have to, because my parents are together, and I can't live the rest of my life every single day in pain and in fear and scared and sad. That's not the right path. The right path is it happens. And you have to give yourself grace. But you can't live every single day with terror and fear and sadness. You're never gonna get through.

[Stephanie Ramos]

So you were already telling yourself, I need to accept this. Correct. Both my parents are gone. I need to move on.

[Detective Allison Dupois]

Right.

[Stephanie Ramos]

And then you get the call.

[Lauren Preer]

And my world was once again upside down.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Throughout the investigation, the cold case detectives had followed standard procedure. They told Lauren little to nothing about what they were uncovering. She had no idea that her high school boyfriend was a suspect. So when her phone rang on June 18, 2024, the day of Glegor's arrest, that was the moment that Lauren finally learned the truth. She calls you, she says, eugene Glegor killed your mom. What goes through your mind?

[Lauren Preer]

You can't even process it. I was in shock. I said, what? I'm still in shock. Total shock. I was like, are you sure? She's like, yeah.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Your ex boyfriend killed your mother?

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Yes.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Did you ever think Eugene would be capable of something like this?

[Lauren Preer]

Nobody did. No one. I mean, I loved him back then. I really did.

[Stephanie Ramos]

It's kind of hurt to know that he's the person responsible for. For the loss of your mom.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

Right.

[Lauren Preer]

And the fact that someone I knew that I dated, went to prom with is insane.

[Stephanie Ramos]

As Lauren grappled with this news, detectives asked what she remembered about Eugene and their relationship. Detective Allison dupois.

[Detective Allison Dupois]

Lauren said, you know, my mom would have given him anything he wanted if he had just asked, you know, meaning this was unnecessary. She would have helped him if he needed help.

[Lauren Preer]

My mom was just open door, you know, when he was who he was, when I dated him, she loved him. She adored him. My mom totally took him in.

[Detective Allison Dupois]

That really stuck with me because that was the kind of person Leslie was. I think she was just a sweetheart that was just trying to do the best she can and would have helped any of her daughter's friends if they needed it.

[Stephanie Ramos]

The news of Eugene Glegor's arrest spread quickly among the people who knew him. Lisa Wood, one of Lauren's friends from high school, remembers Lauren calling her.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

I answered the phone and she said it was him. When she said it was him, I'm like, what are you talking about? And then she said it was Eugene. And still at that point, I'm thinking, what are you talking about? And she's like, eugene, Eugene killed my mom.

[Detective Allison Dupois]

And.

[Detective Tara Augustin]

I still. I still cannot. I just still can't wrap my head around that.

[Eugene Glegor]

This copacetic Zen person who had all this advice murdered someone.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Jordan wires Eugene's former colleague and mentee. He showed us photos of him and Eugene smiling with their colleagues. Jordan struggled to make sense of his memories of Eugene. Given what he knows now.

[Eugene Glegor]

It's just a little scary knowing that the person who pet our cat and the person that you know was just standing here in this photo with me

[Narrator/Announcer]

extinguish the life of another human being.

[Eugene Glegor]

I'm looking at him now through a different lens of what I know, and the person that back then wouldn't have thought twice about being in that picture with him, right? It's like, oh, it's Eugene. And now I'm just wondering what's going on behind those eyes.

[Stephanie Ramos]

After 23 years, someone was in custody for the murder of Leslie Prearranged. But Eugene Glegor's arrest didn't answer the question at the core of this case. Why? Why was Leslie Prier killed?

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[Judge]

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[Lauren Preer]

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[Eugene Glegor]

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[Stephanie Ramos]

In June 2024, Eugene Glegor was arrested and charged with first degree murder. If convicted, he faced a possible life sentence. In the months after Gligor's arrest, the run up to a trial began with prosecutors and Glegor's attorneys making a flurry of filings. But then, in April 2025, things came to a screeching halt when Eugene Glegor pled guilty to murder in the second degree. As a result, Glegor would avoid life in prison and there would be no trial. I asked Lauren about Eugene's plea. What was your reaction to that? Thank God you didn't want to go to trial.

[Lauren Preer]

No, that would have been hell.

[Stephanie Ramos]

No trial meant avoiding long days in court, days likely spent looking at gruesome evidence. Plus, there's no guarantee that a trial would have answered the big question at the center of this case. Why on earth did Eugene Glegor murder Leslie Preer? Still, in digging through court filings and evidence collected by police, there are hints that might help explain how the grisly events of May 2, 2001, came to pass. I asked Detective Tara Augustin for her theory of the case. Based on all of this evidence, what do you think happened to Leslie that morning when she was killed?

[Detective Tara Augustin]

I think that Eugene thought no one was home and didn't expect for Leslie to be there. And she came downstairs and confronted him. And I think in his mind, he realized he was caught because it's not just a stranger, it's somebody who knows exactly who he is. And instead of just admitting that he was wrong or talking to her about it, I think that he just panicked and only thought about himself and made a selfish decision to kill Leslie in the heat of the moment just so he could get away.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Prosecutors would later file a sentencing memo. It quoted an account of that day from Gligor. It reads, On May 1, 2001, Mr. Glegor remembered drinking both shots and mixed drinks. He stated that he vaguely remembered driving to work and stopping off at the preyer House around 9:30am on May 2, 2001. He recalled a vague memory of going into the house and he and Ms. Prior having some sort of a physical altercation. He does not recall placing her in the shower or trying to clean up the crime scene. On the day Glegor appeared in court to enter his plea, Lauren was in the room. She was once again in the presence of her high school boyfriend, but this time under vastly different circumstances. What was it like to be so close to him?

[Lauren Preer]

It was horrifying.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Did he look at you?

[Lauren Preer]

No. Nothing. He didn't look at anybody. But he knew.

[Judge]

At this time. Mr. Glegor, you do have the absolute right to address the court before I sentence you in this matter.

[Stephanie Ramos]

A few months after Glegor took a plea deal In August of 2025, he appeared before judge for his sentencing. It was there that Glegor made a statement.

[Judge]

Your Honor, I want to express my deepest regret, shame and remorse for the devastating tragedy that I caused taking the life of Leslie Creer.

[Stephanie Ramos]

In his statement to the court, Gligor said he wanted to atone for the pain and suffering he had caused. He also said he had buried and suppressed his thoughts of the tragedy for most of his adult life.

[Judge]

I'm sorry it's taken me this long to take full responsibility. I'm grateful the time has come. I'm relieved. The secret is over.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Gleecor also spoke about his mental state around the time of the murder.

[Judge]

I had many blackouts leading up to the evening of May 1 and the morning of May 2, 2001, but none that resulted in the most regretful and devastating event of my life. I've never been a violent person. I vaguely remember leaving the prayer house in the morning, but the rest is a blur. I know Lauren and Leslie's family want to know why I was there and what happened. I'm sorry I'm unable to remember and provide an explanation. I've asked myself the same questions many times. I never had any issues with Leslie. No ill will or malice or malevolent intent. If anything, I owed her a debt of gratitude for being so kind to me. When I dated Lauren. Hours later, I remember hoping and praying that she was not dead, that she would revive. I felt so sick and disgusted with myself for What I had done. To Lauren and Leslie.

[Eugene Glegor]

Family, I'm so sorry for causing you

[Judge]

so much misery and hardship. Can't believe I did this to you all. Lord, I've always held a piece of our relationship and love in my heart. I only have positive memories of us and your mom. You were part of my family, and I felt that I was a part of yours. I know this must have been a nightmare.

[Stephanie Ramos]

To prosecutors, Glor's recollection of the day in question was a little too tidy. In a filing, the state wrote, quote, the defendant's account of what he does and doesn't remember conveniently allows him to avoid taking full responsibility for the most gruesome and calculated aspects of the murder. The state finds the defendant's selective memory implausible. At the sentencing, Lauren Preer also spoke. She addressed Glegor directly. She called him a monster and a wolf in sheep's clothing. And she asked, why would you kill my mom? Eugene Glegor was sentenced to 22 years in prison with five years of supervised probation. He's currently serving time in a state prison about two hours northwest of Chevy Chase. After 24 years, Leslie Prier's killer is behind bars. And Lauren Preer has answers. But talking about her mom and dad is still bittersweet. You've said some wonderful things about your mother. She seemed like a wonderful, wonderful mom.

[Lauren Preer]

You have no idea. She was my hope, my pride, my joy, my beauty. I just loved her so much.

[Eugene Glegor]

And.

[Lauren Preer]

I became a different person and my world changed completely. I had this, like, perfect world before this all happened.

[Eugene Glegor]

Perfect.

[Lauren Preer]

I mean, everyone has their ups and downs, but it was a wonderful world. Was happy. I'm still happy. I mean, you know what I mean? I'm not just like this person that sits in the dark and, like, cries every day, but it was her very much.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Your father, he never got to see this case solved. How do you process that? Knowing that he was so close to seeing this day?

[Lauren Preer]

I mean, I talk to them every day. I have pictures of him in the guest bedroom. And I talked to them and I said, I wish you had been here. I said, daddy, thank you for being so such a wonderful father. And I'm so sorry that you didn't get to see justice. But you're getting justice.

[Stephanie Ramos]

Blood and water is a production of abc audio in 2020, hosted by me, stephanie ramos. Produced by madeline wood, shane mckeon and kiara powell. With help from emily schutz and caitlin schiffer. Edited by gianna palmer. Our supervising producer is susie liu. Music by evan viola. Mixing and mastering by bob mallory. Scoring by kiara powell. Special thanks to katie dendos, janice johnston, sean dooley, chris donovan, camille peterson, christina corbin, gail deutsch, amanda carr, ellie jostad, ng adam and michelle margulis. Josh cohan is our director of podcast programming. Eamonn mcniff is our executive producer. It's my first day of work and I need to make a big impression

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[Detective Tara Augustin]

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[Lauren Preer]

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[Stephanie Ramos]

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[Eugene Glegor]

I just met the woman of my dreams. You gotta chill out and not come on too strong. That goes against my entire personality, but I'll try.

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[Eugene Glegor]

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