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This episode is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. You chose to hit play on this podcast today. Smart choice. Make another smart choice with Auto Quote Explorer to compare rates from multiple car insurance companies all at once. Try it@progressive.com Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and affiliates. Not available in all states or situations. Prices vary based on how you buy. It's a cold night in Evansville, Indiana. A man says he's headed out to run an errand. But the inside of his vehicle tells a much different story. He's got a gun, a police scanner, and photos of his intended target. It had been a normal day. I had cleaned the house and done a little bit of shopping at Target and then at the neighborhood Walmart and then I was at home cooking. I was making Mac and cheese and thick cut pork chops. Becky Doerr and Robbie Doerr were married. She stayed at home while he worked multiple jobs to provide for the family. Robbie had just arrived home after working a 12 hour shift at the fire dep. I saw him pull up into the driveway. Didn't see his actual truck, just saw the headlights. Within a minute or so after that, I heard four or five pops. There were several 911 calls that came in. A lot were from neighbors reporting gunshots. Hi. I don't know what happened, but I heard a loud bangs and then I looked out the door and the people across the street said, Call 911. I heard five shots going off consecutively. Did you see a car? No, we didn't. We just heard the popping. Then Elizabeth Fox door would be a 911 caller. Nine, one, nine, one. My husband just got shot. All I see is blood on the ground. All I saw was my husband's headlights pull into the driveway and then I heard a bunch of popping. When did this just happen, ma'? Am? Just a few minutes ago. Is the sailor still there? No, I didn't see anybody. Hey. For that. That shot fired, run. They said it's a gunshot wound to the head. It's a shooting, so it would be a heavy police presence there. Is this your husband? He's about five shots. I'm up here at the intersection of Colorado and Oakley. Get the med kit. He's still got a pulse. Gosh. He's starting compressions now. Stay with me. Stay with me. Heart's still pumping. As far as who did that to Robbie, all I could think was, what am I gonna do? One person was shot and killed here tonight and police still looking for a suspect. I got a call there had been a shooting and so my photographer And I immediately headed there. There's a lot of police officers. Crime scene tape was already up. It was a very hectic scene. I started seeing a lot of firefighters arrive. You don't usually see that at a shooting. What the. I just realized who it is. Robbie. Robbie. Connect electrodes. Robbie. Robbie. He's. Dude. Damn it. Oh, God. No. Damn it. Once we found out that it was Robbie Dore, we immediately knew this was a beloved firefighter in this community. That he was a leader within the department. He trained a lot of the rookies. Hey, man, let's go back this way. Come on, let's go back. I know, man. I don't want to be rude or disrespectful, but we got to get the fire out of here. Cause that's one of theirs. I was kind of in a haze, like a daze. I was doing the motions of what I needed to do. I relied a lot on my oldest son. When I got there, I got stopped by the police. Or maybe it was a fireman. I'm not sure. Beside, I couldn't go down the street. And I was like, what are you talking about? My parents live down here. I have to get to the house. And I said, my dad's just been shot. My dad needed to get down there. I understand. You're not going through this crime scene. Okay, well, then get my mother down here. Her name is Elizabeth Doerr. She said that he died. Dad is dead. The whole house was swarming with police officers and other people that had been notified. It was traumatic. My mom had three children. Me, I'm the youngest. Then Dustin, he's the middle child. And Nathan, he's the oldest. Nathan was spam texting me, Spam calling me. And he was like, you need to get home now. Rob's been shot. I was like, is he okay? He was like, I don't know. Taylor, get home. Where's my mom? Follow me. Okay, let's go. And we walked up to the house. Still everything's being investigated. Is he alive? No. Oh, my God. The first thing I did was I called out my mom's name. And I ran over to her and we just started crying together. We gotta look at all angles of everything. Where's his daughter? She's probably at home. The next thing I know, at 7:30 at night, I'm getting a call from Nathan. And he goes, lindsey's dad's gone. And I immediately dash for the house. Is that the daughter? Lindsay turned into a puddle. I mean, how can he not? She was inconsolable. He was my best friend. All I could think about was I needed to be next to my dad. Like my dad was alone on that concrete. He didn't have me. I needed to be with him. Who shot him? I have no idea. Oh, no, no. I want. I can't let you go out there, okay. Why you can't? They wouldn't even let me out there with them. It's definitely chaos, but it's organized chaos because everybody has a. Once Robbie was pronounced deceased, the patrolmen had to protect a crime scene. So they had to get everybody out of the scene. I've already told fire very slightly that they have to stay outside the tape. When you're dealing with somebody that's a victim of a crime, at the worst, a homicide, like in this situation, you say, okay, this is what it is, you know, we can't change that. We have to put that out of our minds and just treat it like any other investigation and start doing what we do. We found no shell casings. I want to say very, very little. The image that stays with me about that night. Several fire trucks are lined up and start a procession into town. Later find out that they were escorting Robbie's body to the coroner's office. When little boys dream of or talk about their hero, sometimes they say Spider Man. Mine was a true hero. He was a fireman. He was my dad. He said he doesn't have any enemies. Did Robbie have any enemies? He had at least one. Are you going to take that down to the stop sign? Well, I feel like we need to set a car up on this side. Okay. I've got like six rolls in my car if you need them. Oh, God, no, No, no. Oh God, please no. No. We're going to walk around the back. They've got some crime scene tape up that we can't go through right now. Once Robbie was pronounced deceased, the detectives that are arriving knew that they had to start talking to people. So the canvas began immediately knocking on neighbors doors. Hi. Did you guys happen to see what happened out here earlier? Sure did. We sitting there watching TV and just heard noise. Well, you guys do me a favor and stay inside until we clear out. Everybody was working for one goal. To figure out what happened to Robbie. Anybody hear or see anything? All of us were here. We heard the shots, but never. We didn't see the vehicle. We knew something funny had happened. I. I was in that. See that camper over there? I was in the garage and I heard five shots go off and it. And I scared the out of Me, I thought it was right outside my door. So you were in the garage and heard five shots? Yep. You hear anything prior to that? No. I sure didn't see anything suspicious afterward? No, I. I mean, it scared me so bad, I turned all my lights off. I didn't know if, like, somebody was going around shooting or something. The initial assessment, like, moments after the shooting, we were. We didn't have a clue what happened. The detectives are still working on it. Okay. I say I don't. I don't have a whole lot of information I can give you right now. Well, someone must have drove down the street, perhaps maybe had an issue on the road with Robbie on his way home from work and shot at him. I called an execution. We checked to see maybe if it was a carjacking. And then we could see with the video that the detectives located that, you know, we ruled out a carjacking. How could this have happened? Wrong person, wrong time, wrong place. Ran the whole gambit of everything. And for him to be taken out of this world in such a way that it's mind boggling. Robbie Dore was invincible in Engine One. He was in it. He loved the fire department. Just getting out there and helping people. For nearly three decades, this beloved firefighter worked for everyone but himself. Today is the first day in all those years they've worked without him. I'm sure you've seen the shot we have of Robbie. That's really old of him when he had rescued a child from a burning building. He's a hero. 28 years he was on the force, like, that's a lifetime. I mean, his dad was a fireman, so it's like a family tradition. Firefighters typically have second jobs. He was a manager at Taco John's. He was doing that to just make extra money. I quit my job to go be a general manager at Taco John's. And that's how I met Rob. I think the first thing he ever said to me was, hey, pretty lady. I miss that. He had always loved my mom. I do remember Robbie coming to me saying, would it be okay if I went on a date with your mom? I know I've just kind of been the friend, but I want to be more than the friend. And I was like, that's completely okay with me. And he was elated. You could see him skipping through the store. Oh, I knew he loved Becky. There was no doubt in my mind. He was 110% in. Our wedding was in Panama City Beach, Florida. Actually. It had rained every day when we first got there, and as soon as I started to walk down the sand, it stopped raining. So it was very, very pretty. I was over the moon to have Robert as my dad. He stepped in to be a parent. My hero became my dad. Finally I have this hero that I can call my dad. They were married for about six months. So very quick relationship, marriage, death. Before Rob and I were married, I had been married five times. I think that she wanted to have that picture perfect life, the husband, the children, but just couldn't find it. Rob was gonna be the person that gave my mom a consistent life because my mom was born into adversity. Then she was put into a foster home that didn't have adequate resources to take care of her. She never really had a break until she was ultimately adopted. I was four. My sister Mandy was two. My bond with Mandy. We were the two troublemakers of the house. What was it like growing up with Becky? She was my big sister. She was a good sister. We played, we traded stickers, we jumped on the trampoline, swam, got in trouble. She was the sister that comforted me for 47 years. She was everything good and pure and wonderful. Like my mom was trying to be like Jude Cleaver, perfect stay at home wife. But my mom and Robbie, their relationship, it had problems. 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Robbie and I were, you know, best friends for 34 years. And thick, thin, didn't make any difference. We were always there for each other. We made a lot of, lot of runs together. Several fires. Robbie gave 110% on every run he ever made. Dorr was shot to death outside his Oakley street home last week. The investigation into his murder continues. Shortly after the murder, police began searching Robbie's home. In the home, they find something of interest there. It was a note from Robbie written to Elizabeth. And it talked about there being some problems in the marriage, perhaps someone else that Elizabeth had been talking to. Alleged infidelity. My dad seemed very happy at first. But then things he started to question, things he started to feel insecure. He started to think she was cheating on him. He was like, she always deletes her text messages. Like, she never lets me see her phone. Robbie had trust issues when it came to that because it had happened to him previously. I tried to make him feel reassured. I would tell him every time somebody would call me. There were times that my oldest son would call me and he couldn't believe, oh, you're on the phone with him again. He just didn't understand. My mother did confide to me about their relationship. Sometimes a little too much with too much information. But on that same aspect, so did dad. Dad asked me to be his confidant. The financial aspect of things created some strain, created some problems between the two of them. As soon as they got home from Florida, she had a brand new car and then they got a brand new sectional. They had to buy a washer. He had a credit card out at Home Depot. He had a credit card out on the ring. He was borrowed as far as he could borrow. Money got real tight she wasn't working. He was. Our biggest disagreement was he wanted me to quit working because when he's off, that was our time to be together, and that's what he wanted, and I wanted to work. But as far as major trouble brewing, no, we were still learning each other. You think Robbie was trying to make Becky's life better? I do. I do. Rob wanted my relationship with my sister Mandy to be stronger. So that was what we were trying to do by getting together with them. When we started going out with him, I was kind of excited about it. I would be off with Mandy, and he would be off with Larry. How did you meet your fiance, Larry Richmond? I met him at work. I was working at the Dollar General. He made sure his hand touched mine, and I thought, golly, this one's bold. So we just. We started talking. And a couple months later, he called one night and said, do you want me to bring my stuff to your house? We were together from that time on. He pulled up in his car with all of his clothes and said he was moving in. And she was thrilled, beamed about it. He was very, very tall. I think he was six foot something. He has a nice smile. I will say that he was the most handsome out of the men that I've seen her date. Larry was always really gentle with my mom. Like, he was always, like, getting her things. Like, he was always doing things for her. I don't think I've ever seen her happier. I just. Just always felt loved. I came home one day, and he had gone to the Goodwill and just laid out a bunch of dresses on the bed. I was like, oh, you know, he didn't even know what size I wore, but he was able to pick everything fit. I felt fancy. He was really close to his family. Larry Richmond Sr. Is very proud of his son, Larry Richmond Jr. They were two peas in a pod. So you bring him to Thanksgiving, introduce him to your family, but you don't tell them about his past? No. Why not? It felt like a mean thing to do to him. That's not how I wanted everybody to see him. That's not who he was to me. That's not who he was trying to be. Larry had his history. He told me when he was 17 years old, he accidentally killed a man and did 20 years for it. Well, he actually pled guilty to knowingly killing a person. How did he explain it? He said he was trying to get the guy to show him his ID because he believed that the guy had done something inappropriate to one of his friend's brothers. And he said that in the process of trying to see the guy's ID the gun went off. At first I was like, oh, that's not great. But then slowly, like, I mean, my mom convinced us. She was like, he's a changed man. It was an accident. You know, he's a great guy. Which he was. From our perspective, he was a great guy. So, yeah, after a while, I just kind of, like, push it to the side, I guess. Does Mandy fall in love easy? I would probably say, yeah. She falls in love very easily. I do, too. My mom's life had just turned around, that it was gonna be, you know, wonderful. Things are great, and then all of a sudden, your world comes crashing down. The Evansville Police Department have not identified any suspects. As far as list of people that want to hurt Robbie Dore, we couldn't find a single one. It's not until we're at the autopsy when we discover something. Something odd. That is a whole heck of a lot of co. This has been one of the biggest stories I've covered in my career. Anytime a first responder is hurt, let alone murdered, I mean, that is a big deal. Especially here in the Evansville area. We regard our first responders very highly around here. And this from the very beginning, the community was invested in this story. So that night on Oakley, we did not find any shell casings. We found in the road a fired projectile that had damage to it. That's not a casing. That's an actual round. That's a round, yeah. It's not until the next day when we discover something. Something odd. And it really started with the autopsy. Had a great forensic pathologist that did the autopsy. When they pulled ammunition from Robbie's body, there was a mixture. There were jacketed projectiles, there was ball projectiles, and there was plastic wadding. One of our firearms experts said, well, you're probably looking at a horse judge that fires different types of ammunition in one gun. You could shoot a projectile or you could shoot a shotgun shell. And it all came from the same firearm. A Taurus judge was referred to us as a hand cannon. Robbie was shot with a very unique gun that kind of got us off and running, really. Okay. You basically start a war room. You have a big whiteboard, and you put your victim in the middle of that, and then you put a picture of his wife and draw an arrow next to her. Victim's wife, child, best friend. And then you just start building that out. And then you want to look at that board the most and say, okay. Who started on the outside, but is maybe moving more towards your victim. We discover that a Torres judge was stolen, actively stolen, from a pawn shop nearby called River City Pawn Shop. This company, River City Pawn, played a pretty big role in this investigation because Larry Richmond Jr. Worked there and had access to many firearms. He's a young man with no criminal record. So we go back, printed out Larry Richmond Jr. Put him on our whiteboard. We came across a picture that had a Taurus judge in his lap, and he just sent it to other friends, just showing off the gun that he stole in September of 2018. The connection with Larry Richmond Sr. Was that he had a direct connection with Junior. When we put Larry Sr. In the system, Detective McCormick ran a criminal history on him and found out, oh, my gosh, he's on probation for murder. I know it's supposed to make me scared of him. I know it's supposed to make me hate him. I know what it's supposed to do, but doesn't. He was never scary to me. He was my protector. Mandy was in the middle. She was in a romantic relationship, living together with Larry Richmond Sr. And she was the sister of Elizabeth Fox Door. And they all lived relatively close to one. Well, Mandy is my sister. She is three years younger than me. Her personality is. She's very outgoing. She is. I don't mean it disrespectful, but she's. She's ditzy. Very ditzy. Very. You know, I don't think a whole lot bothers her. She's a good person. The funeral was. Was massive. There were fire stations from all around who came to pay their respect. There was such a community interest that we even live streamed the funeral on our website for people to watch, because not everybody even could get in. The funeral was hard. I will never forget the bells. I will never forget all of the speeches that were said. His legacy of integrity is what the foundation of the fire department's worked upon. I can't listen to bagpipes anymore. I can't. I just can't listen to him. The moment that they handed me his helmet, I lost it. I cried a lot. Through it, all I could think was, I shouldn't be doing this. I shouldn't have to go through this right now. I've seen a few times when a firefighter or a police officer passes, they get the fire truck out and they get the American flag. And so we went under that. I mean, it was a beautiful ceremony. It really was. Rusty's your brother. We'll take it from here. We knew as soon as the funeral was over, it was time to get this investigation going. And the decision was made collectively to bring in several folks. Things took a massive turn. There's cops everywhere, dogs barking, and it was awful. You had. Mandy was in a room. Larry Richmond Jr. Larry Richmond Sr. And then we had Elizabeth Fox. Door. I thought he was cheating on me. Okay. I can tell you he was. When we looked at the situation that we had there, I did make the comment at one time. This show is almost geared for Jerry Springer. Hands on your head. Walk backwards. Just hold right back him around here. I'll go. You're gonna leave your hand? Yes, sir. Put your hands behind your back. We decided to pull over Larry and Mandy as soon as the funeral was over. What's going on here? I'll tell you a little bit. You got weapons or anything on the knives or anything? I don't. Okay. What's your name, sir? What's that? Sorry. What? Okay. I think I just went completely numb, like. What is happening? All right. Very. Custody. I personally was assigned to Larry Richmond Sr. Well, Larry, while we've got everybody, it's not just you down here. Obviously. We're looking into the Robert Doar situation. He was gunned down in his driveway. What's that guy doing here? Well, it. It has to do with everybody in the family. We just want to. We're trying to get everybody in here and trying to see if there's just anything that can help us with this investigation. So do you wish to talk to me about a lawyer? President, I have no problem answering any of your questions. I will cooperate fully. Okay. Due to my past, I have been incarcerated. I'm on probation. I don't need any problems. Sure. No, I understand. If I'm not under arrest, please get a hold of him. I will come back down here and fully cooperate. No problems at all. All we're trying to do is find out if you guys know anything that could help us find his killer. I don't know nothing. We go out with him. We go out and drink. Outside of that there, I don't know nothing. They brought us down there, and immediately I realized it's like I am awful close to whatever the crap is happening. We're gonna explain it. We'll get to all that. Okay? Whatever you're. Whatever's going on in your mind, I can guarantee you it's not. It's nothing. Not a big deal at all. Where were you at when Robbie was murdered? Do you remember. When? I don't know exactly when it was? Can you tell me when it was? It was Tuesday. Last Tuesday. Around 7 o'. Clock. You were home. Okay. Kids there? Larry there? Yeah, we were all there. Investigators asked her where Larry was at the night of the murder. She reported that he was with her the entire night. Hey, Mandy, do you know something that we don't? I felt him in the Twilight Zone. This is what you watch on tv. This is. You watch this happen to people on tv, not to your family. I think Mandy really believes in this man and believes that he can better himself. It's sometimes our benefit to grab all individuals that are involved in a case at the same time. Agent Bill Gray picked up Larry Richmond Jr. Up from the pawn shop when he got off work that night and brought him downtown. I had some questions with Larry Jr. As far as stealing the firearm and giving it to his dad. We have two more people down here now involved in this case, and one is your dad. Okay. And things aren't looking so good here. Okay. What do you know about this gun? It came up missing the day of or a couple of days before I started at the pawn shop. That's not true. I've talked to the regional manager, I'm talking to the ATF guys. That's not exactly the way it's going on. The gun came up missing while you were in. A boy? Yeah. I was sitting in. In the pawn shop and then somebody came up and said there was a gun outside. And then we called it in and Larry Richmond Jr. He lies that he didn't know about the gun. He didn't steal the gun. I got some bad news for you, son. I think you're heading down the same path your dad said. I don't think things are going to work out too well here, so hang tight a couple minutes. And. To my knowledge, I don't believe that Elizabeth knew that the others were in custody. After the funeral was over, Detective Keen and Detective Hands came and asked me. They said that they had a phone of mine and they had the key to my house. They would like to ask a few more questions. Detective Keen ran the first whole part of the interview, going back over what they talked about that night, confirming everything she said. Okay, so you get home in the four pork chops and get those ready. They actually. I just had the oven preheating and I was getting ready to, you know, get the macaroni, get the Mac and cheese. I was getting it out of the cabinet and I saw the truck lights come into the driveway and then I heard these popping noises. Then I looked out the door. I saw Rob at the end of the driveway. Shoved the dog back, closed the door, and went running down the driveway. We felt that she was hiding something. And then when I. I showed her the raw data from her phone download. Do we know who this number is right here? I don't recognize it. They were showing me phone numbers, but there was no name to a phone number. And I kept telling them, I don't know that phone number. Leading up to Elizabeth's interview, we had gathered cell phone records, actual cell phone device records. And we knew there was a deleted phone call right before a 911 call. But you can't delete it off the company records. And this is the company records. This is straight from Sprint. I understand that. Okay. I don't recall talking to someone like five minutes before Rob was killed. That was a lie. So then you just kind of go, okay, why is she lying then? I've been honest with you from the get go. That's all I ask of you is your honesty. Okay, I understand that. I don't recall talking to someone like five minutes before Rob was killed. I don't. You were able to tell us down to the sense how much you paid for your pork chops earlier that day at Walmart, but you can't remember who you had a phone call with just prior to your husband getting executed in your driveway? Just didn't ring right to me at all. Let me finish. Cannot change what happened, but you can change it from how it goes on here now by telling the truth. Do you understand what I'm saying? I do. Okay, so take a deep breath and tell us who you talked to five minutes before your husband was killed in your driveway getting out of his truck in the back of the head. We're asking a question we know the answers to. Becky. This is the Evansville Police Department Adult Interview Suite. We have four interview rooms available to us. Throughout our time interviewing these subjects, we were determined that we were being lied to. There were inconsistencies in stories, and it took a good long while to start getting things sorted out where we had a good idea of what was happening. When you're in the interview room and they're lying, you try to never take police work personal. I honestly did not recognize the phone number. Okay, you just have to keep confronting him with the facts, and you just slowly work through the case. Just let it out. Just tell us the truth. You didn't orchestrate it. Then what happened? What's your okay, then you didn't orchestrate It. I didn't know it was gonna tell us the truth. And the questioning was, had you ever deleted anything off your phone? And when she says no, the information I had in my file folder at the time, I knew that was a lie. Nothing in that conversation had anything to do with hurting anybody. Why delete it, then? Because I typically delete. I deleted the phone call. I delete my phone calls every time I get off the phone with somebody. Unless I talk to you regularly. She deletes absolutely everything. And I know for a fact if I were to send her, you know, I love you, mom, she would keep that, and she would delete everything else. She will send a text message, and then she will delete it. I don't know why. If you look at the timeline of the deleted phone call just minutes before Robbie's killed and the 911 calls made, so that's a big deal. So who did you talk to five minutes before your husband was gunned down in the driveway? Becky, we know the answer. So you can let us do the talking for you, or you can do the talking for yourself. And please tell the truth. So who was it? My sister's fiance. Elizabeth had deleted all of Larry Richmond Sr. S phone calls in her phone. You knew. Not only did you know, you talked to him that night, you knew you deleted it, and then you knew I was gonna ask you about it when we came back in here. It's human behavior to try to protect yourself. Or like, oh, my gosh, I'm into this. How am I going to get out of it? Maybe if I just stick with these lies. I didn't want you to think that I was having an affair with him because I have not had an affair. The way the interview went with Becky Foxdoor, was it a perfect interview? No. Because we didn't get her to truly confess. I think it was the next best thing. I didn't want to say that I had talked to him because that makes it. Makes it look like I did it. She was denying the. The phone call admitted. She denied it. She knew. She deleted the phone call. She hid it from us. New developments tonight in the murder of a firefighter in Indiana. Robbie Dore's wife tonight is in jail for deleting a phone call she allegedly received before calling 91 1. That mom. A moment of. Could she. Would she? Why would she. It was a whole gambit of emotion. Elizabeth was originally charged with the obstruction of justice. She soon was out on bond. Larry Jr. What's up, Danny? Larry Jr. Was walking a fine Line between going to prison for a very long time and not. And it wasn't until much later in the same evening that he knocked on the door and said, hey, I need to. I need to talk to investigators again because I need to tell them something. He tells investigators, my dad has guns at Mandy's house. My dad said if anything was to go down, he would bury the gun. It is said that Larry Richmond Sr. Had buried a totem full of guns in the backyard of Mandy's house, where he was living at the time. He's even caught on video doing this. The detectives came across a surveillance system from the house just directly to Mandy's, Larry's fiance's house. It shows Larry coming out of the house in the evening with his box under his arm and grabbing some type of utensil and going behind the garage and then coming back empty handed. One morning I wake up, I'm sitting in the living room, and all of a sudden there are police cars everywhere. That whole block, this whole block of Sheffield was full of police cars. And I'm like, get up here. See, look what's going on. And they searched the whole grounds, and when they got to that fire pit, they started digging and they almost dug every square inch back here. I mean, they dug everywhere. I'm over the fence and I said, what's going on? He says, well, we're hunting for stuff. And then I saw some guns in the other policeman's hand. I said, oh, that's what you're looking for. And he goes, yeah, we found some, several where the fire pit was. That box was taken to headquarters and you could have heard a pin drop. They did it right. Our crime scene detective came in and then slowly started processing that box. And we're all like, please take out a tourist judge or tourist judge ammunition. I remember being in the newsroom that day and hearing on the scanner that police were at the home and they had found some guns, but not the murder weapon. The murder weapon in Robbie Dore's murder has never been found. So at this point, police still do not have a murder weapon. They have not named a suspect. So we're wondering what is their next step. I found something that raised the pinnacle of all flags. I mean, I can't even call it a red flag. It's like the sirens going off. There was a handwritten message that said, we need to talk. The new Hulu Original Series Dear Killer Nannies. Inspired by the story of Juan Pablo Escobar, a boy raced by hitman. The new Hulu original Series Dear Killer nannies, streaming on Disney plus and Hulu. Terms of lie from 30 for 30 podcasts. Did you say someone got shot? Brian Pata, senior defensive lineman from Miami, gunned down. The key to this case, It's Ryan. An hour before he died, he was on the phone arguing with somebody. This might be a hit. You want the truth? They just want a conviction. Being placed under arrest. We had a killer amongst us. Murder at the U. Listen now. He was my. He was the person I called when I was having a bad day. He was the person I called. If I had a flat tire on the side of the road, if I just needed to talk, it was him. When my dad passed away, we were not in a great place. Me not liking Becky put a very big strain on our relationship. I wish he would have saw it. I wish he would have listened to me when he said he was going too fast. It's a lot of I wish. When my mother was arrested, I was like, no, they have the wrong person. This can't be. This is the woman who's helped raise me. No one ever thinks of their parent to be that person. The puzzle pieces kind of started to fall into place after the funeral. I was going through the condolence car, and I came across one that was from my Aunt Mandy. I didn't quite know what to think of it at first, but it was that guttural instinct that said, this is not right. Like I said, my name is Anthony. I need to get a hold of someone. And I didn't have anyone to get a hold of except for one detective. I was going through condolence cards, okay. And I found a card for. From Larry Richmond and my Aunt Amanda. And there was a little slip of paper, like notebook paper that said, we need to talk with his phone number. And Larry, it looks like he had written it on the corner of, like, a notebook piece of paper and ripped it out. More kind of the last second. Last second thing. It wasn't written in the card. I think it was put in after, like, Mandy and him signed it. Okay. Because he's the one presented it to my mother. He held. He gripped that thing all the way up until it passed into my mother's hand. I don't know why he was trying to reach out that way. Doesn't make sense to me. He was standing right there when he handed it to us. So he could have just said what he needed to say right then. Okay, I'll be back in just a minute. Okay. That day, they asked me if I knew that he had had criminal history. And I said no. And they told me everything that he had done. That's kind of odd that we have a murder, 20 year sentence. He's out for a year and a half, and then another murder happens. Nobody knew that he had a criminal past. At Thanksgiving, my aunt Mandy brought a convicted felon to a Christian household and had dinner with everybody and didn't tell a single person that he had just gotten out of prison for murder. On that piece of paper was a phone that Larry Richmond Sr. Was in possession of at the time of his arrest. He got that phone from a person named Laura Riggle. During our investigation, we did talk to Laura Riggle. We kind of. We would like to know more about the nature of yours and Larry's relationship. Larry and I got to know each other more, I should say. It was in December, before Christmas. We started talking and then we actually started seeing each other in January. You said seeing each other. You mean like going on dates and stuff like that? Okay. And I do know he lives with Mandy. Uh huh. She does not know. So what was gonna happen between him and me? They were breaking up. Through the course of our investigation, there were several women who were romantically involved with Larry Richmond Senior around the time of the murder in February of 2019. What about him? Is that the woman he messes with? I didn't know about the others. What motive do you think that he could have produced him? If he did, I can't imagine him doing it. There is no motive. The first night that we had contact with Mandy, she was a mess. I don't know. I'm not in troublemaker. I don't know. And then the next time, we kind of built a little bit of a rapport with her. So let's go back further to the day that Robin gets killed. To your best recollection. Where's Larry? I don't know. Mandy, why did you tell investigators that Larry was with you at home that night? Was Larry there? Yeah, we were all there. You were all there? Kids, Larry. Because he was with me all the time. He was there every night. I didn't know what night they were talking about the night of shooting, but I didn't know what night that. What? That's what they were talking to. I thought they meant did he come home that night? Yes, he came home that night. I knew this was bad, but my first inclination wasn't. Oh, what'd you do? So they reveal. They tell you a lot of what's going on? They reveal some things to you? Oh, yes. I thought he was cheating on me. Okay. I can tell you he was with a lot of women in. We've had one just walked out of here. And we had one in here last night. Okay, so you're not the only one in this trick bag. So you had another life going on? Yeah. Girlfriends. Plural? Yeah. You don't think he was using you? No. For what? For what? I'm a train wreck. I got this heart about all I have to offer. Okay. Do you have any other suspicions that Larry and your sister had anything going on? Okay, your sister is in custody for deleting a phone call that was very important. And there's a five minute phone call right before Robbie's murder. I mean, minutes before Robbie's murder. And guess who that came from. What do you think is going out between Larry and your sister? I thought we'd been out with him three times. That's what I thought. Were your sister Becky and Larry having an affair? That is the word after the murder, Amanda Fillmore was never a suspect and police found her to be telling the truth. Mandy was never charged with anything in this case. Mandy was deeply in love with Larry Richmond Sr. In her mind that Larry had nothing to do with this. Looking back, it was very apparent my mom had something to do with it. When one of your first question is, after your husband dies, what about his pension? I called her in a fit of anger of murdering. It was strange being in the house by myself. I'm in Rob's house, who is no longer alive. And my mother is in question now for his murder. I felt terrible about even just being in his house. Why am I in his house and he's not? It's our top story tonight. Charges have been dropped against the wife of a murdered Evansville firefighter. Seven months after they were filed, Elizabeth Fox Door was charged with obstruction of justice. My mother did finally get released from jail. She lived with me. She and I had some very tense conversations. Like, why do they believe that you did this? I don't know, Nathan. Well, why would they ever. Nathan? I don't know. The night of, she talked to me about his pension. Will I get any of it? How do I get ahold of it? The day after the murder, we were told by a spouse of a firefighter she had showed up at the firehouse asking about his pension. Yes, I did ask about the pension after he was killed because I had so many people asking me about his pension and his life insurance. That's why I went where I thought that I could find those answers. The fact that she was there the next day inquiring about a pension, that was definitely on our radar. Larry Richmond Jr. Told us a lot about Larry Sr. I'm gonna give you the floor here for a second, and I want you to tell me anything that you left out from the other night. Do you think your dad's involved in the murder of Robbie? I hope not. As far as Junior, it all didn't come out at one time. We didn't know about the affair until later. Has he ever talked about Becky before? He said one time that they went out to Pistons and like, I guess Becky was drunk and like, the firefighter dude was there too, and they was just dancing and doing all this. And Becky kept looking at him, said she was cute and gone. Dog, that's your real sister you doing? I was like, did you, Becky? He was like, no. And then I asked him again. He was like, man, I had to. I was like, dog, you were down bad. And Evansville father and son are facing federal weapons charges. Junior, he did something terrible by stealing a gun, but he did take responsibility for it. Eventually pleaded guilty. He didn't have any part in the murder. Larry Sr. Was convicted for possession of a handgun by felon and having obliterated serial numbers, he was in custody. So we just kind of say, hey, let's slow everything down. He's not a threat to society. I thought it would be a simple, speedy process. And here we are, one year later. The police, it didn't feel like they were making headway on what happened. And that's when my anger started to really set in. My mother got another boyfriend very quickly. And then she, very quickly after that, almost like the next day, got another boyfriend. I have had several strong words about my mother in private. Talking with a therapist, with police. Hey, she's engaged again. Engaged again? Yes. And like we just discussed, it hasn't even been a. A year. Correct. She had like two boyfriends before this gentleman. My oldest son, Nathan, misunderstood the situation. I was not engaged to a man. After Rob died. I did have somebody ask me to marry them, but I told them that I didn't think that I would ever get married again. Mom, was that on your hand? She was. Oh, nothing. I called her in a fit of anger of murdering to her baby. I said to her, baby, I believe it was a year into the case, lead investigator Blake Keane did a press conference. It's the person of interest in this case. He identified Larry Richmond Sr. As a person of interest. 41 year old Enzo resident Larry Holly Richmond Sr. Richmond Sr. Had a relationship with the Doerr family at the time Robert was executed. We were pleading for the public to, if they knew any information, to come call in. There was the news conference, and then we didn't hear much at all after that. I'm glad they have a person of interest, but, you know, where do we go from here? There's then a big development in this case. An inmate who was locked up with Larry Sr. Told investigators that Larry Sr. Confessed to killing Robbie Muhammad. Reached out to the Evansville Police Department. He reported that Senior and him had confined in each other. They were bunk mates. This is Detective Keane and Detective Lewis. It is August 25th. It's around 1643 hours here with Muhammad. Who you talking about? Larry Ali Richmond. Ali Richmond? Yeah. Okay. He mentioned he killed a firefighter and it was the Indian. Him. He said he saw Robert in front of his house at nighttime. He had filled with her. He said, if they can. If they get rid of Robert, he said, the black beneficiary will be like him. It appeared that the information from Muhammad was somewhat accurate. According to our theory of the case, there was information that was not shared publicly, that was known in what he had reported. How is this cell person supposed to know that we're having an affair? Did he witness it, or are we just grasping at straws? I never had an affair with Larry Richmond Sr. Never. There was nothing between us. Shortly after Larry Richmond Sr. Is named a person of interest in this case, investigators wanted to get a hold of his cell phone to see if it could hold any clues. Our hypothesis is that Larry Richmond Sr. Had his phone on him and that the location data can put him at the scene of the crime at 7:05pm unfortunately, we didn't have that information. Larry Richmond Sr. Did not want to provide a passcode to the phone. There was frustration. The family was frustrated. We were frustrated. We felt like we were close. And you just needed this one big break to really push this case forward. Rob was a firefighter. It's not the kind of case that just goes cold. Everybody wants an answer. It was very trying. It's frustrating. It's heartbreaking. It feels like an eternity. 105 North Avenue. Here. I'll go. You're gonna leave your hand? Yes, sir. Put your hand behind your back. When Larry Richmond Sr. Was taken into custody on March 4th of 2019. Tell me what's going on. I'll let somebody else tell you that. We seized two phones from him. We got search warrants for those phones. But what ultimately Slowed us down was we didn't have a passcode for Larry's iPhone phone. I'm John Carter. I'm a criminal investigator with the high tech crime unit out of the Vandenberg County Prosecutor's office. The equipment that the Evansville Police Department had at the time, you had to have a passcode in order to get the information from the phone, which is where we took over with our new tools and techniques to acquire that passcode. The computer system just runs an algorithm of passwords and we have no say in how long that is. Those algorithms can take seconds. We've had phones that have taken up to two years. I believe in this particular case, it was anywhere between six to eight months. I remember that day well that John called me and said, hey, we got into Larry Sr's phone. We have the content. Utilizing the digital evidence that we discovered from his phone, we were able to to build a bigger picture of what had occurred that night. In the 6 o' clock hour, Larry Richmond Sr's phone is all within that area of the door residence as if he's just slithering, snaking around. There's foot traffic. And then eventually in the alley from 6:31 to 6:39. This guy is able to be in the alley at the exact time a fireman comes home. Shortly after, he's talking to Elizabeth on the phone at 6:46-6:51. In the interview with Becky Foxdoor, we got her to admit that, yes, I told him he would be home shortly. We don't know where Larry's location was between 652 and 60714 because his phone is powered off. It's not until you actually came to this alley and saw it with your own eyes, you can really understand now where he was. This is the path that Robbie took the last moments of his life. He would have turned north here on Oakley to get to his house. This was not a normal time for Robbie to be coming home. He was picking up his shift for someone else, which was also important because it meant he came home at night. Normally his shift would dictate that he would work and come home in the morning. And there was only one person that would know that Robbie's on his way home or what time he's expected home. And that's Elizabeth as far as her cooking that night and and preparing dinner for Robbie. In my personal opinion, Robbie Dore is never gonna eat those pork chops that night. I truly believe that this timeline was set up. Fact is this, she's at home. She's making dinner. There's someone waiting. Larry with a gun. My dad pulls into a driveway, and he literally, quite literally runs out of his shoes to get away. To get away. I don't think his door was even shut before shots started going off. I don't know how to explain Larry sr. The evidence digital of him being around the house. I don't. I don't know how to explain that. I do know that his mother lives very close by, like, I think a street over. All I know is I did not know he was around the house. I think that she 100% knows what happened on that conversation with Larry. Nine. One one. Yeah. Yeah. I just heard shots fired. First Avenue, Colorado. It's the alley behind. How many did you hear? Five. The night that Rob got murdered, Larry said he was gonna go to his mom's house and move some furniture. Long story short, I get there, he's not there. He's gone to run an errand for his mother. We had a residence here that heard the shooting. They heard all five shots and stepped out onto their front porch and watched a subject sprint from one side of the street to the other and disappearing between homes and businesses. At 7:11pm Video surveillance shows as he's arrived at circle K, and he powers his phone back up while he's at circle K at 7:14pm and once we reviewed that video surveillance, we noticed, you know, it's February, it's cold, and Larry's only wearing some shoes, some jeans, and a sleeveless T shirt. We thought that was a little odd. But, you know, it seemed to us that Larry didn't have a care in the world. We never stop on cases, and especially on a murder case. We had to take all of the different pieces, provide what our theory was essentially, and then allow a jury to decide. A short while ago, Larry Richmond Sr. And Elizabeth Fox were charged with the murder of Robbie. When they finally told me they were going to charge both of them with murder, I was like, well, all right, let's go. We've got this. It absolutely light. Our news that night. Foxdoor is charged with murder alongside Larry Richmond Sr. I didn't do it. That is the truth. I didn't do it. If you're asking me if I shot and killed Robert Dore, no idea. Your son says you smashed that. Talking about Becky. Never. Come on. Never. Never happened. Never happens. Oh, I was very surprised to be charged with murder and conspiracy to commit murder. I was shocked. They don't want you to listen to the truth. I felt like I just Listened to a screenplay of a crime novel that was based entirely on fiction. Elizabeth Foxdoor is charged with murder and conspiring with Larry Richmond to commit that murder. Her trial is scheduled to be heard first. She's pleaded not guilty. If she's convicted, she could face up to life in prison. My name is Mark Phillips and I am lead counsel in the trial involving our client, Becky Foxdoor. My name is Rob Phillips and I'm the co counsel in the case of Becky Foxdoor. You have heard supposition that there was a conversation between Larry and Becky about a murder, and that is not true. I'm Diana Merce. I'm the Vanderburg county prosecutor. This was the first murder case that I took on as the elected prosecutor. So the pressure was on. I didn't intend for any of this to happen. This is what the defendant told detectives who were questioning her that night about the death of her husband. Becky Foxdorf was the co conspirator, not the shooter. And so in a conspiracy case, you have to prove a meeting of the mines. And you know you're doing that with circumstantial evidence. They have a phone conversation around the time of the murder. It lasts for 4 minutes and 18 seconds. And then he turns his phone off. His phone's completely black with no data at all. Around 7:12pm Larry Richmond Sr. Pulls up in a Ford Taurus and soon after enters the store and then leaves. Just 15 minutes before Robbie Dore was ambushed and killed, the defense spoke with Larry Richmond Sr. On the phone. As soon as the defendant was finished talking, she deleted that phone call. The only thing that she did was not remember the deletion of a call and that. That somehow morphed into this conspiracy theory at that time. You need to delete Larry's phone number. It is a habit for me to delete phone calls because Larry's not a person I normally talk to to. So I delete it. It's ridiculous that it's about a phone call that I took and I deleted. The defense says there's no evidence suggesting their client planned the killing. And today they tried to hammer that point home by grilling the original detective in the case. There was a phone conversation that you asked Becky about at some point, correct? Correct. And you allege it's with Larry Richmond Sr. Right? It is, yes. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. Yes. You have no idea what they talked about, do you? No. And you know who initiated that call, don't you? He did. In fact, in your investigation, you don't have any Evidence that Becky Durr ever initiated a phone conversation of any kind with Larry Richmond Sr. Correct. Correct. FoxDorr and Richmond Sr. May have been romantically involved. She has photos with him. She spent holidays with him, and they even went on a double date with her sister and Robbie Dore. There was a dramatic moment at the end of the day today. The son of co defendant Larry Richmond Sr. He took the stand. Larry Jr. Was a good witness. He didn't want his father bringing him down, and he knew if he didn't tell the truth, that it would. Do you know the defendant in this case, Elizabeth Foxtro? Have you ever met her? Yes. She got into the vehicle. And that's the first time you saw her? Mm. And did anything happen before she got out of the car? They kissed. They kissed? Mm. And was it a mutual kiss, or could you tell? Yes. They both leaned in. I did not have an affair with him. I had no relationship with him. His relationship was with my sister. Larry Richmond Jr. Took the stand and told a story about seeing his father kiss Becky behind Robbie Dore's home in Approximately March of 2018. And if there's evidence in this trial that she didn't even live there in March of 2018, that put a dent in your story, wouldn't it? Yes. You didn't know who she was before your dad got out of prison, correct? I may have my time dates. Oh, I didn't ask you that. Is that your sworn testimony? Yes. Larry Richmond Sr. Hadn't even been released from prison at that point. Not only that, Becky Foxdor wasn't even living with Robbie Doer at that point. The prosecution inquired about whether Foxdor might have been motivated by financial gain. Raise your right hand. Did your mother ever talk to you about the firefighter pension after the murder of Robbie Dore? Yes. When's the first time she brought that conversation up? From my remembrance, almost the same night. And how many times did you say that she taunt you about it? We had a conversation about it daily, and I got frustrated several times, and I was like, mom, there are procedures we have to go through to get to that point. There were times it looked as if like someone had just like, gut punched her. It was sad to see this woman you grew up with sitting there. Her hair wasn't done like she normally would do it. Her makeup wasn't done. It was different. And I think it made it a little bit harder for me to be on the stand with her in the room looking the way that she did. When Nathan started testifying, it was like he flew, flipped a switch, and just turned into somebody else. It was pretty hard to watch. You know your mom was not a beneficiary for purposes of any financial benefit, correct? I don't know whose beneficiary on anything. If you were to learn that your mom had no financial interest as a result of Robbie's death, would that surprise you? I mean, she. No. I was not motivated to kill him for his pension. I didn't kill him. Rob and I hadn't even talked about life insurance or pension or any of that. We were. We were just being married. They don't want you to listen to the truth. I felt like I just listened to a screenplay of a crime novel that was based entirely on fiction. I ask you to return the only verdict that's justified by the evidence in this case, murder and conspiracy to commit murder. With that, you may begin your deliberation. All right. As prosecutors, you know who's guilty, right? But that's not good enough. 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The tape is blood curdling. Betrayal, secrets and lies. So many people are living with their own betrayal. Sunday nights at 109 Central on ABC and stream on Disney plus and Hulu. State of Indiana v. Elizabeth Joanne Fox Doer verdict. The courtroom was tense in the moments leading up to the verdict reading and after more than four hours, the jury reached a decision. We the jury find the defendant guilty of count one. I held my aunt's hand and I held Nathan's hand and I closed my eyes and tears just start flowing. We don't the jury find the Defendant guilty of count two. Like that is all we could have ever hoped for. Thank God this is done. Thank God dad can rest peacefully. When I heard the guilty verdict, I couldn't believe it. They got it wrong. They got it wrong. And all I could think was, this is my life you're playing with. Becky would later be sentenced by a judge 90 years in prison. So basically, she will be spending the rest of her life behind bars. All right. It's horrible. I mean, I'm not guilty. There are people that are guilty and say they're guilty that get way less time than I'm looking at. The next time that she is going to be a part of the free world will be in a funeral in a graveyard somewhere. Everybody just has this idea that she's this villainous woman that was out for money. And I want more people to see the actual good side of her, the kind of person that she actually is. It's not adding up. There's something missing. It's awful to watch people that you love suffer their consequences and do bad things. Do you believe your sister Becky plotted to kill Robbie? I don't think that it matters what I think. You don't have an opinion about whether Becky and Larry plotted to kill Robbie? The rational part of my brain says it would appear such, but I think the irrational heart is still begging the universe for a different answer. Police say back in 2019, Richmond conspired with Elizabeth Fox door to murder Robert Doar in the driveway of his home. His trial in the murder case is set to begin in December. I got a call from the state public defender. They were looking for someone who was qualified to handle a life without parole case. She sent me an email and said, would I be interested. Said, well, this might be one of the only times I get a case like this. So let's give it a shot. In the murder trial of Larry Richmond Sr. He's the man accused of of shooting and killing Evansville firefighter Robert Doerr during Becky's case. We heard all this testimony and saw a lot of the evidence at that time. So we knew what to expect going into this one. The whole conceit of the state's case is that this was a murder for hire. Day two of testimony in a high profile murder trial in Evansville. Today, jurors heard from someone at the center of the case. You know, we're relying heavily on witness testimony. So, Amanda, the night of, where is Larry Richmond? Larry's trial, what was that like? Just sad. And the essence of what you said at the stand. What was it? That I didn't know where he was. That you didn't know where he was. That he wasn't his mom. But like I said, he came back so fast, I didn't think anything of it. Like, so they tell you that you. The phone is pinging at the scene of the crime, then you see him going into that gas station. What conclusions do you come to? He was going to eat cigarettes. I think that she was having problems and maybe still is grasping that he did this. But I just found her to be just honest and open and able to tell the jury her story because she was telling the truth. Larry was never at the Fox Doors house during the time of the shooting. He's at his mom's house the entire time. Larry was involved with a lot of women, so his phone was constantly ringing. And so mom had said, hey, turn your phone off. Spend time with me. And then he goes to get gas, turns his phone back on, and then we see him at the gas station. This is a circumstantial evidence case, and the evidence was just piled up high against their client. The fate of an Evansville man is now in the hands of a jury. I think they deliberated for around 11 hours or so. We, the jury, find the defendant, Larry Ali Richmond, guilty of murder. I was hurt. I was sad for Larry because I had. That was not what I had envisioned. I had not envisioned hearing one word. I had envisioned hearing two words. This is the end, and we can finally be able to put this past us and be able to just grieve the way we need to instead of it being thrown in our face constantly. The man convicted of killing an Evansville firefighter 7 years ago will spend the rest of his life in prison. Ooh. Some days I'm madder in hell. It was seven years ago. I have to, like. See, sometimes I just have to put it in the past and be like, okay, this is where we are now. He does not say he does it. He. He, to this day, did not do it. Well, then you understand he's lying to you, right? And himself. People watching this are going to ask, what keeps her connected to Larry after everything you've been. After everything happened, My mom was angry, but she still loved him. And I don't think she has ever stopped loving him. People watching this are going to ask, what keeps her connected to Larry after everything you've been through? I think over the course of time, I've been through so many ups and downs with, do I believe it? Don't I Believe it. And then I'm talking to him, and he's convinced me that he didn't do it. And then I get more information, and it's just. I've gone back and forth so many times that I've just decided that he's another human being that God has given me to love. Is he seeing anyone else? I don't know. Probably. I hear that's what the inmates do, but I have no way of knowing. I don't ever know. Would that matter to you? No. So you're still sort of together? You're still. Yeah. Yeah. Engaged. Yeah, but. Yeah, but I'm also. God, I just feel so stupid when I talk about it, but I get what I need from him. From Larry? Yeah. He wants to talk to me in the morning. He wants me to tell him when I'm home, safe from work. He has begged me not to leave him. He says he needs me. And I. Like, I want to be loved and wanted and needed and. All the things you regret. Bringing him into your family, I mean. Yeah. Look at us now. This whole case is built upon one thing. A deleted phone call. I don't know if my life would have unfolded differently if I had just told them about the phone call. They still. I think, honestly, I think I'd still be in the same spot. They would still think that we had had more affair. They would still think that, you know, I conspired. They would. They grabbed ahold of me and didn't let go. Becky was loving. Becky was love. You know, Becky's not evil. Becky's not a monster. Becky's not all these things everybody thinks she is. Do you talk to her? No. I mean, I wrote her a letter. And I told her that if it was true, that I forgave her and that if it wasn't true, that I was sorry this was all happening. This is still very hard to take. I mean, all of this, this. To realize that this. This is my life. Rob was a sweetheart. He was a good person to everybody. He became my best friend. And. I miss him every day. At the Evansville Fire Department, their newest fire truck. Then they dedicated that in honor of Robbie. He has a fire engine that will do what he used to do, roll up to the scenes now and protect people and save people's lives. Dad can finally rest. He deserved more than what he got. He deserved not for that to happen. I'll never be able to call him. I'll never get to hear his voice. What is that? I'll never get to hug him again. He should still be here with mine and Lindsay's kids to be a grandparent to these children. And they're missing out. We're missing out. It's now yours. I know, Miss Pig. A family still remembering. And we should point out that Robbie's wife, Becky had her appeal denied. Her relationship with son Nathaniel remains strained. He tells us he will never visit her in prison. Meanwhile, David, convicted gunman Larry Richmond senior declined our interview request, but tells us he will appeal his conviction. That's our program for tonight. Thanks for watching. I'm Deborah Roberts. And I'm David Muir. From all of us here at 2020 and ABC News, good. We gather here tonight to bring women back to their rightful place. The Testaments, a new Hulu original series from the executive producers of the Handmaid's Tale. It's easier to accept a story than believe that the people around you are monsters. The battle isn't over. There comes a time when you have to take action, when you have to choose your own destiny. Watch the new Hulu original series, the Testaments, streaming on Hulu and Hulu on Disney for bundle subscribers. Terms apply.