FBI Slams MS NOW Story on Kash Patel's Girlfriend; Wash. Post Increasingly Alone on Hegseth Story

Summary

The Morning Meeting – December 5, 2025

Host: Mark Halperin
Guest Hosts: Larry O’Connor & Jaime Harrison
Episode Theme: FBI Denial of MS NOW Story on Kash Patel’s Girlfriend; Wash. Post Solo on Hegseth Story; World Cup Draw; Political & Media Landscape

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Episode Overview

The December 5 episode of The Morning Meeting dives into several key subjects driving the US news agenda. It leads with coverage of the day’s major event – the President’s involvement in the World Cup draw – as a lens into America’s relationship with the global game. The hosts probe headline controversies: the FBI’s forceful denial of a viral NBC/MSNOW report targeting the girlfriend of new FBI Director Kash Patel; and continued fallout over the Washington Post’s reporting on Pete Hegseth, currently under pressure as Defense Secretary. The panel also tackles pressing topics in US politics: the economy, healthcare legislation, Speaker Johnson’s struggles, redistricting and Supreme Court decisions, and the ongoing Ukraine-Russia conflict, all alongside media accountability and public trust.

The show embraces its signature two-way community format – energetic, skeptical, and focused on both substance and tone. Engagement, notable quotes, and open discussion mark the episode.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. America and the World Cup (08:42–14:59)

• Event: President presides over the World Cup draw at the Kennedy Center, North America hosting. Attendees include major sports stars (Tom Brady, Wayne Gretzky, Shaquille O’Neal), political figures, and international dignitaries.

• Theme: America's outsiderness re global soccer enthusiasm.

  • Mark: “The exuberance you see there, it would be reflected in literally every other country… except this one.” (02:01)
  • Larry: “It’s really all about drinking. Everybody gets trashed.” (12:40)

• Soccer Talk: Larry O’Connor expresses mild support (“I always love rooting for America, no matter what the sport”) but jokes about soccer’s drinking culture.

  • Jaime Harrison admits partial excitement: “At some point, I will go to a match.” (12:30)

• Political Significance: Heads of Mexico and Canada attending, possible discussions on trade. The event is framed as both political theater and genuine sporting highlight.

• Media Culture: The show reflects on the US habit of treating soccer as “cute”, contrasting with fandom elsewhere.

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2. The State of the Economy (14:59–17:44)

• Complex Signals: Both Jaime and Larry describe a mixed economic picture.

  • Jaime: “It’s complicated…for us, people are still largely employed, people are still largely spending… Inflation [and] tariffs are putting strain, but people are still pushing through.” (15:41)
  • Larry: “Affordability is an issue...the cost of things that are too expensive. But gas prices [are down]...eventually things are gonna start kicking in.” (17:02)

• Political Messaging: Mark wonders about messaging in the upcoming State of the Union.

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3. Health Care Stalemate (17:44–21:25)

• Legislation Stall: House and Senate efforts to broker a bipartisan health care deal—centered on extending Affordable Care Act subsidies—face grim odds.

  • Mark: “Is there any deal before Christmas, or will we just see a show vote in the Senate?” (18:59)
  • Larry: “If there’s a deal, it’ll be punting, kicking the can down the road.” (18:59)
  • Jaime: “If [Republicans] want to take this off the table…they’ve got to address it in a political way, at least to take the talking point from the Democrats.” (19:36)

• Politics of Cost: Both hosts agree, reducing costs and improving service delivery remains the key issue, with neither party offering a serious solution.

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4. Speaker Mike Johnson’s Peril (21:25–23:26)

• Leadership Struggle: Headlines predict doom for Speaker Johnson as he attempts to pass the Pentagon bill amid GOP fractures.

  • Jaime: “I think intellect will prevail and I think the speaker will be fine.” (22:07)
  • Larry: “It’s sort of the Al Davis thing: Just win, baby. No matter how ugly it is, he does, he wins.” (22:56)

• No Viable Challenger: With a small majority, leadership change seen as unlikely.

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5. Pete Hegseth, the Pentagon & the Washington Post (23:26–30:26)

• Hegseth Story: Pete Hegseth remains unchallenged on the facts after a Washington Post report on a controversial military operation (alleged illegal interdiction, war crime suspicions).

  • “Right now, Pete Hegseth is unchallenged regarding the facts... and the Washington Post account is now challenged.” (23:27)

• Media Fallout: Tom Cotton forcefully defends the Pentagon and Hegseth, calling for a Post apology.

  • Tom Cotton (clip, 26:19): “What the Washington Post said last week was a complete lie. They owe an apology to Pete Hegseth…”

• Roger Wicker’s Silence: The Senate Armed Services Chairman withholds judgment, fueling further media intrigue.

  • Wicker (27:32): “I’m going to withhold comment…”

• Caution: Mark, Larry, Jaime agree, the issue isn’t truly over until Wicker speaks, highlighting media-politics interplay.

  • Mark: “Don’t assume. Let’s see what the Chairman says.” (30:19)

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6. Ukraine, Russia, and War Weariness (30:29–31:59)

• Lost Narrative: War fatigue dominates American media and the public; Ukraine is absent from US front pages despite major diplomatic activity.
  • Jaime: “I think people… the American people, the American media, I think they’ve drawn very tired of this war… there are not many more angles to cover.” (30:59)

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7. Justice Department, FBI, and the "Pipe Bomber" Arrest (37:19–39:41)

• Media Questions: CNN (Jake Tapper) identified suspect as a “white man”; panel questions accuracy of reporting and political motives.
  • Mark: “He does not appear to be a white man, whatever that means…” (37:19)
  • Larry: “Conservatives suspect [the FBI] withheld an arrest if the facts did not fit the narrative about January 6.” (38:22)
  • Jaime: “We… should not feel fear for their lives going to work every day when they’re trying to serve their country…” (39:12)
  • Mark, Jaime, Larry all express empathy for those targeted, while criticizing slow investigation.

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8. FBI, Kash Patel, and NBC/MS NOW Reporting — The Denial (40:05–45:33)

• Allegation: MS Now (Ken Dilanian, Carol Leonnig) runs a story alleging Kash Patel demanded that his FBI director girlfriend’s detail chauffeur a drunk friend home. The DOJ and FBI issue absolute denials.

  • FBI Spokesperson: “A thousand percent false… I went and checked with everyone involved… No corroboration… The response was, ‘We do not have [dates, names]; we are comfortable with our sourcing.’” (41:55)
  • Mark: “If I’m the reporter… and I don’t have… the name and the date, it’s a bullshit story.” (43:15)

• Media Ethics: The panel eviscerates the story, calling out lack of specifics, and lampoons wasteful use of protective details.

  • Jaime: “I would do the exact same thing the spokesperson did… lambaste this reporter because this is an unfair reporting if it’s not true.” (44:56)
  • Larry (disclosing personal knowledge): “Alexis did not have a drink.” (45:04)
  • General consensus: The story’s sourcing and process are deeply flawed.

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9. Redistricting & Supreme Court (32:55–36:06)

• Supreme Court Decision: Upholds Texas GOP map, important implications for House 2026.

  • Jaime: “It is disingenuous for the American public to be so pro democracy, but spend so much time on both sides...trying to draw these maps that are going to be advantageous for either party.” (34:46)
  • Larry: “This argument is about 220 years old.” (36:06)

• Political Consequences: If Voting Rights Act is pulled back, “about 14 members of the CBC will not be reelected.” (35:35)

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10. Winners, Losers & What to Look For (46:17–48:55)

• Winners:

  • Larry: “Winner of the week is Pete Hegseth.” (46:17)
  • Jaime: “Lane Kiffin, new coach, LSU.” (46:38)
  • Mark: “Andrew Giuliani… overseeing the World Cup stuff.” (46:53)

• Losers:

  • Larry: “Christopher Wray… this arrest is just a black mark.” (47:08)
  • Jaime: “Ole Miss.” (47:17)

• Weekend Picks:

  • Larry: Attending Kennedy Center Honors, “fulfilling a childhood dream.” (47:28)
  • Jaime: Eager to see if the Hegseth story persists. (48:23)
  • Mark: Predicts the controversial military video will leak.

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11. Audience Q&A & Media Accountability (49:25–59:20)

• Government Scope: Callers express concern over government growth and debt. Larry and Jaime agree on the need for “good governance” and reducing unnecessary size.
• Media Incentives: Audience and panel debate whether mainstream media will face consequences for apparently inaccurate or politically motivated stories.
  • Larry: “Their job is to bring a story that is close enough to the truth that will advance a political idea. I could be wrong about that... but they're not going to be disciplined.” (57:53)
  • Jaime: “There’s a lot of good American journalists… but political journalism has bombarded the landscape.” (58:42)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Soccer Divide:

  • Mark (02:01): “One of the craziest things in the world is how this country views football and the rest of the world loves football.”
  • Larry (12:40): “It’s really all about drinking. Everybody gets trashed.”

• On Media Standards:

  • Mark (43:15): “If somebody's saying, here's an accusation...We can't tell you when it happened or who's involved, but it's true and we're running it. That's bullshit.”
  • Jaime (44:56): “I would set the record straight, and then I would lambaste this reporter because this is unfair reporting if it's not true.”

• On Hegseth Controversy:

  • Tom Cotton (26:19): “They owe an apology to Pete Hegseth, and especially they owe an apology to Admiral Mitch Bradley. He is a highly decorated career Navy Seal.”
  • Mark (30:19): “Don’t assume. Let’s see what the Chairman says.”

• On Ukraine Fatigue:

  • Jaime (30:59): “I think people are…tired of this war. They’re tired of talking about it.”

• On Government Growth:

  • Jaime (52:00): “It can't be about just having government jobs for the sake of employing people and being the largest. I don't think the government should ever be the largest employer in any state.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 08:42 – World Cup Draw, Political and Social Overtones
• 14:59 – State of the Economy Roundtable
• 17:44 – Health Care Legislation and Obstacles
• 21:25 – Speaker Johnson’s Survival Odds
• 23:26 – The Hegseth/War Crime Story Media Fallout
• 30:29 – Ukraine War Coverage & Fatigue
• 37:19 – FBI Pipe Bomber Investigation and Media Framing
• 40:05 – FBI Shreds NBC/MSNOW “Kash Patel’s Girlfriend” Story
• 32:55 – Redistricting, Supreme Court, and Voting Rights
• 46:17 – Winners, Losers, and Weekend Predictions
• 49:25 – Audience Q&A on Government Scope & Media Trust
• 57:53 – Panel's Thoughts on Media Culture and Consequence

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Tone & Format

The episode maintains a brisk, skeptical, but respectful tone with healthy doses of sarcasm, political inside-baseball, and community participation. It attributes claims and denials clearly, especially on contentious media stories. The hosts press for accountability while recognizing the realities of partisanship and media incentives. Both sides are given space, but not at the cost of facts or candor.

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Conclusion

This installment of The Morning Meeting exemplifies the show’s dual focus on practical day-ahead news and deeper, cultural-political analysis. From the spectacle of the World Cup draw to granular media fact-checking and the ongoing, sometimes wearying, saga of American politics, the program keeps the “tone” front and center—seeking understanding without shying away from the week’s ideological combat. This is must-hear content for both news junkies and the generally curious, especially for those keen to hear sharp skepticism toward both politicians and the mainstream press.

Transcript

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One of the craziest things in the world is how this country views football and the rest of the world lose football. The exuberance you see there, it would be reflected in literally every other country in the planet, except. Except this one. Right before we started the show, our two great guest hosts today who are joining us in just a moment, I asked them if they were soccer fans, and they were both like, yeah, you wouldn't get that answer from anyone else on the planet outside the United States. And no offense to our two great guest co hosts. That's just reflective of America. But the rest of the world loves soccer, and today is a massive day for soccer here in America because the President's presiding over the World cup draw. We'll talk about that. Speaker Johnson. Follow up from yesterday's Hegseth Flapp, Letitia James. Redistricting the economy. Candace Tucker. Candace and Lumer. Oh, my. And of course, it's Friday. Winners and losers and what to look for. So much show that this is a special two hour. No, just kidding. One hour. We're going to get it all in. Grateful to you all for being here and joining us today. Guest co host, couldn't be more excited. First, here's Larry O', Connor, ladies and gentlemen. Extraordinarily host in Washington D.C. on the greatest powerhouse station WMAL. Larry is back. He's been here before. Larry, great to see you. And of course, Larry hosts his own show noon to 3. Noon.

[Larry O'Connor]

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[Mark Levin]

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[Mark Levin]

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[James Patterson]

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[Mark Levin]

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, Jaime Moore is back. That is a former DNC chair, Mr. Jamie Harrison, with whom Jaime worked. When I told him last night that Jaime was on the morning meeting again, you could see the exuberance from the chairman. And I told him one of the best decisions he ever made was hiring Jaime. And Jaime, he agreed. So welcome back, sir.

[Jaime Harrison]

Good. Good to see you.

[Mark Levin]

Did you see the chairman last night by any chance? Probably not.

[Jaime Harrison]

I, I did not. I'm still running around San Francisco.

[Mark Levin]

San Francisco.

[Jaime Harrison]

All right.

[Mark Levin]

Well, you're, you're great. We're grateful to you for making time and again, he couldn't, he couldn't be more excited that you were on and neither could we. So thank you both for being here. Gentlemen, we're going to start talking about the World cup in a moment after a quick word from a sponsor. And then, as always, we would welcome your participation. If you're here in the two way platform, maybe you've never raised your hand before, but you say, you know what, I want to explain to Larry and to Haima the beautiful game. And so raise your hand and explain to them why they should get in step with the Spaniards, the Iranians, the Germans, the Dutch, the South Africans, the South Koreans. Everybody loves this one game. People here in America, they simply don't get it. I've never understood why. Or you can ask about Pete Hegseth or Cash Patel or, or Gavin Newsom, whatever you want. Raise your hand if you're watching on X or you're watching on YouTube. All we'd say is no smack in the chat. Is that too much to ask? Maybe you don't like Larry's coat. Maybe you think Jaime's brown and blue combo doesn't work for you. Don't put smack in the chat. Leave it someplace Else. Peace, love, and understanding. Every Friday we say peace, love, and understanding, sounding a little bit like I'm imitating the President. Every Friday we say peace, love, and understanding. In any event, we're very happy you're here to close out the week with us. And a couple things. First of all, it's. It's freezing cold here. As Mark Twain said, everybody talks about the weather, but no one but Miko's Casodine does anything about it. I'm trying to do something about it. I'm wearing. Wearing layered here. Fairway and Green. A reminder. Order now if you want to get stuff in time for Christmas. But it's freezing, so no amount of layering would work. And to say to my friends at Fairway and Green, you're going to have to send me some XXL stuff because I can't layer the XL over XL over xl.

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[Mark Levin]

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[Jaime Harrison]

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[Mark Levin]

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All right, let's go through the daybook, gentlemen. And the big, the big event for most of the world, not for you, but for most of the world, is the President's schedule. He's getting an intelligence briefing at 10, and then at 11:40 he heads over to the Kennedy Center. And at the Kennedy center he's gonna receive an award. The head of FIFA is obsessed with the President and sucking up to him, so he's invented the FIFA equivalent of the Nobel Peace Prize. It's the craziest thing in the world. And they're gonna draw for who's gonna play whom in the World cup being played in the United States. And the rest of the world will be hanging on this. They'll memorize it, they'll analyze it. None of you, Larry and Jaime won't care, but many people will. Then at 3 o', clock, executive orders, 8 o', clock, concert, Bocelli in the East Room because they're doing a big day long celebration, the World Cup. Adam Wren of Politico. I've told you this before. Follow everything he does. He's one of the best reporters in the country and he knows about everything. And he knows about politics and he knows and. But he knows about soccer. And he, he, he wrote the playbook. He guess writes playbook on Fridays. This morning he, he led with this big World cup thing because he knows soccer is important. Look who else is going to the thing here, Sam, put that up. I'm toggling around, but put up that list of people who are coming because this is a big event. It's not just political people. Sam, you know which number I mean. Here or do I gotta find it myself? Let's see.

[Larry O'Connor]

Isn't Heidi Klum gonna be there?

[Mark Levin]

I heard maybe. This is number three, please.

So, great sports greats. This is from Playbook from Adam Wren, Tom Brady, Wayne Gretzky, Shaquille o', Neal, Aaron Judge, Jaime, Larry, do those guys mean anything to you? Oh, yeah, sure, sure.

[Larry O'Connor]

They're American.

[Mark Levin]

They're American athletes.

[Larry O'Connor]

They play American sports.

[Mark Levin]

Playing sports, exactly.

[Larry O'Connor]

I don't think Wayne Gretzky is an.

[Mark Levin]

American, if I'm correct, North American. He's North American. Anyway, I'll just tell you one more time. Adam Ren is just. The guy is like. He's like Lois Lane and Jefferson, Thomas Jefferson combined. And I'll tell you why. He's a renaissance. He would love that. He's a Renaissance man. So he puts a Lincoln playbook to a thing. Senator Young of Indiana played soccer in the military and is on the. On, like a board related to the World Cup. Here's. Here's video. This is Adam Wren playing soccer with Senator Todd Young. And Todd Young is an incredible. He's a. He's a stud. Watch this, Sam. I don't even see what number this is. We have that, though. Watch this. So that's. That's Adam Wren of Politico on the left in the foreground background. Look at Senator Young. Whoop.

[Larry O'Connor]

Again.

[Mark Levin]

Play it again. This is incredible. This is Adam Wren on the back there. He writes. Then for Business Insider. He was profiling Senator Young. And look at this. He crosses the ball. And look at, you know, Mitch McConnell's not doing that. Amy Klobuchar is not doing that. That is incredible. Anyway.

[Larry O'Connor]

I'm no expert on metric football, but isn't there supposed to be a goalie? Wouldn't that be more impressive?

[Mark Levin]

Larry, Larry, you make a good point, but this was a shoot for Business Insider. They couldn't afford the goalie. Anyway.

[Jaime Harrison]

Soccer caucus.

[Mark Levin]

Anyway, there is a soccer caucus. He's the chair of the soccer caucus, but I think they call it the football caucus proper. Anyway, I don't know if J.D. vance was going to be at the Kennedy center today, but I wish I were going to be. Anyway. Bobby Kennedy's vaccine panel is meeting again today. The House. The Senate's out. The House is meeting pro forma session. Putin is still in India for the 23rd India Russia Summit. Joe Biden, one o' clock today, delivers keynote remarks at a forum on LGBTQ rights. And there's some economic data coming out this morning which will be off the air by the time it's out, but people are talking about it. All right, gentlemen, again, welcome and delighted you're here. Either of you want to say anything about the World Cup?

[Jaime Harrison]

Well, I'm actually slightly excited. My friend Alex Lazari is sure the host committee in New York and New Jersey, so at some point, I will go to a match.

[Mark Levin]

So.

[Jaime Harrison]

Okay, let's just put that out there.

[Larry O'Connor]

And listen, I always love rooting for America, no matter what the sport. Yeah, obviously, it's pretty awesome. And I. I'm not a Neanderthal. I do. I do. I. I've been to. There's a local minor league soccer team here in Annapolis, the Annapolis Blues. They're great. They have a really cool logo with a crab holding a soccer ball. So I've been going to those games, and I figured something out. It's really all about drinking. Everybody gets trashed.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, there's some of that. There's some of that. There's some of that.

[Jaime Harrison]

But.

[Mark Levin]

But, Larry, if you've ever been to a Knicks game, it's not so different. In any event, there is serious stuff going on today besides the President getting this fake award. The. The heads of Mexico and Canada will both be at this event today because they're coast. It's a North American event, and the President hasn't seen Mark Carney since the trade war began. And so it'll be interesting. And the President has said maybe he'll talk them. So we may see some developments on the trade front today around, in and around all the hoopla at the Kennedy center for the draw.

[Larry O'Connor]

Yes, Mark, I was, I was at a Tony Rizzi elitist Christmas party in the, in the Beltway last night, and everybody was talking about FIFA. It really, it's.

[Mark Levin]

Are you, are you being serious?

[Larry O'Connor]

Yeah, I am being very.

[Mark Levin]

Oh, what were they saying?

[Larry O'Connor]

They all wanted to be there. They were upset that they weren't there. Yesterday, Ambassador Grinnell of the center was at this party, and he was just mobbed. And by the way, the Kennedy center honors are Sunday night. So between these two events, everybody was.

[Jaime Harrison]

Trying to get all the coastal elite.

[Larry O'Connor]

Exactly.

[Mark Levin]

If I, weirdly now, if I had been. If I had been more focused, I would have come down for this thing because I'm. I played soccer as a boy in the Washington area, and, and I'm just, again, I'm just so fascinated at how the rest of the world, like, they will live and die on these brackets. The way, like Larry Or I'm a might live or die on, like the, the men's college basketball bracket. Right. This is like, we will not be in a bracket with Canada or Mexico. That's the way it works. We are shielded. I'm talking about the United States. We're shielded from being in with the really good teams early on. I don't know why, but we could. We could be in the. There four. The brackets are four teams. We could be in with Iran, for instance. Wouldn't that be an incredible story? So we'll see what happens. Full coverage tonight on. On two way tonight of the practice.

[Larry O'Connor]

Please downshift on. Like, there's something wrong with America because we don't buy into this thing. No, I'm at.

[Mark Levin]

Sorry.

[Larry O'Connor]

Like. Like the first and Second Amendment. We have things that the rest of the country don't have. It.

[Mark Levin]

Let me, let me, let me rephrase. It's different. I'm not saying it's worse. It's different, but it's just, it's alienating to the rest of the world. When they look at the United States and say, literally every other country, this is the sport. And in this country, it's like, oh, isn't that cute? They don't use their hands. All right, the economy. The economic data is coming out later today. I continue to be confounded in talking to economic experts. People can't really say what's happening with the economy. And there's good signs and bad signs. And the vice president and the secretary's treasury continued to say, next month it's gonna. Next year, it's gonna be awesome. So, Jaime, just. If you were lecturing to a group of college freshmen, like, what is the state of the American economy right now?

[Jaime Harrison]

It's. It's complicated. Yeah. Which is. Which is not a great answer to. I, I was an econ guy myself. This is not a great answer to give to a college student. But it's complicated. I think there are certain parts of the economy that remain strong. You know, for us, it's. People are still largely employed. People are still largely spending. And so for the American. American economy, those two indicators are important. And so I think while people are a little bit more fraught around costs and they're really upset about things being too expensive and things are expensive. People are still going out and they're still buying. They're still buying things. They're still showing up for work, people are still hiring. And so I think it's complicated. The tariffs are putting a lot of strain on the economy. The cost Inflation, of course. But I think the American people are still pushing through and they refuse to accept that we will go into a recession.

[Mark Levin]

Your business is doing well, right?

[Jaime Harrison]

My business is doing well, yeah.

[Mark Levin]

And mine is too. Larry, what's the state of the American economy?

[Larry O'Connor]

I think Jaime is right. I think it is complicated. Although people working and people spending money are two pretty important equations. And by the way, the stock market's pretty important too. And we've got real numbers here. Black Friday, $11.8 billion.

[Mark Levin]

Larry, I'm just gonna, I'm gonna stop you. You've cited the positives. What are you worried about regarding the economy?

[Larry O'Connor]

The cost of the things. Affordability, if I may. You know, the risk of annoying President Trump.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah.

[Larry O'Connor]

Affordability is an issue. Before it became a market tested word, it was. Or the cost of things that are too expensive. And if you look at it, if you look at healthcare, if you look at housing and some of the other things that are too expensive, those are also things that the government gets too involved in. But meanwhile, gas prices, which is something President Trump promised to take care of, we're now at a four and a half year low on gas prices. So, I mean, I agree with the White House that eventually things are gonna start kicking into gear. And the problems of the things that are too expensive, like health insurance. Yeah, well, that's because the government's too involved.

[Mark Levin]

I can, I agree with you, but I continue to be focused on what he's going to say in the State of the Union. But anyway, let's move on. Let's move on. Health care. Incredibly confusing. Some people are still trying to get a deal done before Christmas that'll be bicameral, bipartisan, and passed and signed into law by the President. Here's the headline from the New York Times about one such effort. It's a bipartisan House group that put out a plan yesterday. This is 17, Sam. And, and other people say, no, nothing's going to happen. And then the Democrats in the House, in the Senate are still trying to decide what. Here it is. Bipartisan House group proposes long shot health care plan. Republicans and Democrats released a two year plan to scale back and extend expiring Affordable Care act subsidies. But it faces long ads in the GOP led House and in the Senate. You know, if there is a deal, it involves an extension of two or three years, but with limits that Republicans would find more palatable. But even then, a lot of House Republicans wouldn't vote for it. And Speaker Johnson would be running a risk that he'd be trying to pass us with Democratic votes, violating the sacrosanct. What's that thing called, the Hastert Rule? I don't think we're supposed to call it that anymore. Larry, where are you? Bullish. Bearish. Is there any deal before Christmas or we'll just see a show vote in the Senate and that'll be it.

[Larry O'Connor]

If there's a deal, the deal will be the political deal, which basically gets this off the table. It'll be, it'll be punting. It'll kicking the can down the road. Actually interviewed chairman of the Ways and Means Committee Jason Smith this morning about this. He just released a GAO report that shows massive fraud in Obama that needs yes. Address.

[Mark Levin]

And some people say that GAO reports the death knell of any deal because there's no way you're going to Republicans now to support this.

[Larry O'Connor]

It's going to be very complicated. And I kept pressing him on what the Republican solution is, and I think you got annoyed with me, actually, because I kept pressing and all they got is health savings accounts. So that ain't going to do it. That ain't going to fix the problem.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah. Jaime, is there any, any chance of a deal at this point?

[Jaime Harrison]

We talked about this yesterday. I still don't think. I think they ought to do it and it would be politically advantageous for them to come up with something. I mean, look, Larry, we've been talking about repeal, repelling and replacing Obamacare for almost 20 years now. And at some point, at some point, the Republicans are going to have to put together a plan that address, addresses all these cost issues, affordability, that addresses delivering services, particularly drug prices. I still think that that's an advantageous talking point for Republicans going into 2027, 2026. And so if they want to take this off the table, to Larry's point, I think they've got to address it in a political way, at least to take the talking point from the Democrats. But right now, I think going into 2026, if costs don't go down and health care continues to go up, that's going to be a really fraught conversation for Republicans to have.

[Larry O'Connor]

Yeah, no, I'm a. Listen, you're right, except that it was voted in in 2010, so it was only 15 years and it really didn't get implemented.

[Jaime Harrison]

I'm a Democrat. I'm going to add five years. Larry, come on.

[Larry O'Connor]

But here's the one thing that's working in Republicans favor, which is the facts. The fact is everything they predicted about what was wrong with Obamacare has come true. We were right about that, number one. Number two, the only solutions Democrats have right now is to continue to prop it up with tax dollars we don't have. Or if you listen to where the real power and influence in the Democrat party is right now, which is the socialist, the Mamdanis, The Sanders, the AOCs, they want to go Canada, they want to go Medicare for all.

[Mark Levin]

But as Larry, you pointed out, your party doesn't have a solution either.

[Larry O'Connor]

I know. I'm saying the only thing that we have working in our favor is that the Democrat solutions are toxic.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, but, but also, you guys ran to be in the majority and you want it. So now you're supposed to do something. Okay, Speaker Johnson. More headlines about trouble for Speaker Johnson. Here is number.

Such a long list of elements. I have trouble finding anything today. Number 16, we've seen these headlines for two years or however long he's been speaker. People at Mike Johnson scrambles to pass a Pentagon bill as GOP rank seat. These are the two big things he's dealing with now. And of course we're still waiting for the Epstein files. But leaving that aside.

Passing a Pentagon bill and then the health care thing and people are saying once again that this is it. You know, he may have, he may have, Charlie Brown may have kicked many Lucy footballs as Speaker Johnson is Charlie Brown in this extended and flawed metaphor. But now, now he's going to miss Jaime is, is, is this, is this doom for Mike Johnson or is this just another, eventually he'll pull it out.

[Jaime Harrison]

Look, I said this yesterday. I, I, I've watched Mike Johnson for, for quite some time, even when it's legislated down in Louisiana. And he's far more astute than people give him credit for. And also there's no reason to, to put the conference in the caucus into a tailspin to elect a new speaker as you're going into the midterms. It just doesn't make sense. And so I think the, I think intellect will prevail and I think the speaker will be fine.

[Mark Levin]

Before Larry jumps in. Hi. We talk about some topics multiple days in a row. Don't be, don't be alarmed if we have, if we read.

[Jaime Harrison]

I just want you guys to think that, that I'm, that I'm, that I have duality in my, in my, in my talking. I'm going to say the but fine.

[Mark Levin]

You can say that. You just say same thing. But things have happened in the interval. We did. We're not just, we're not in a Time warp here. Larry. Larry, Mike Johnson will be fine. Right?

[Larry O'Connor]

I do. I listen. I think it's sort of the Al Davis thing. Just win, baby. No matter how ugly it is, he does, he wins. And he always exceeds expectations. As you said, Mark, we've seen these headlines for quite some time, and he keeps surviving. And as you mentioned yesterday on the show, he has one thing going for him, which is nobody else wants the job.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah.

[Larry O'Connor]

So he's not going to get. There's no viable challenge.

[Mark Levin]

And as we've said before, the. Paradoxically, the small majority means nobody can bail, so nobody can start to try to freelance and form some new coalition. There's no margin of error.

[Jaime Harrison]

He's gone.

[Mark Levin]

It was actually. Al Davis is known in America for saying just when, maybe. But it was actually the coach of Manchester United who said it first. Just kidding. Oh, okay. How dare you? Yesterday. Right. Well, let me put it this way. Right now, Pete Hegseth is unchallenged regarding the facts and what happened in. In the second tab. All right? He's unchallenged. And the Washington Post account is now challenged. Okay. It might be right, but there's no one saying anything yet after yesterday. So.

Some people still believe. New York Times has a great piece on this today, that the whole operation is illegal and all of this interdiction, using the military to kill drug dealers. Some people think the whole thing's illegal and some people think that focus on the second tap has. And some people, including me, has unfortunately squelched the debate we should be having about the whole operation. I'm not saying I'm against the whole operation, but we should be having a conversation about under what authority the president's doing this. But right now it appears that the facts are on the secretary's side, as he said from the beginning. Now they made themselves a problem by not explaining it enough. We still have this crazy thing. We talked about it on two way last night. Two way tonight. Last night, Congressman Himes, perfectly reasonable guy, says if America sees this video, everybody's going to think this is outrageous. And Tom Cotton and others say, nope, the video is fine. The mission was fine. The commander did the right thing, first of all. Yes, no question. Larry, will we see the video publicly?

[Larry O'Connor]

No.

[Mark Levin]

Jaime.

[Larry O'Connor]

No.

[Mark Levin]

Interesting. I think yes, but we'll see.

[Larry O'Connor]

I don't think we should, by the way. I mean, I think there are a lot of things that happen because there's a lot of things that happen in war and in battle.

[Mark Levin]

But we understand. But we saw tap one. Why shouldn't we see tap two.

Again.

[Larry O'Connor]

I, well, first of all, I don't think they should bow to political pressure from people who, who are their political enemies just to acquiesce and do that.

[Jaime Harrison]

And Mark, I agree with you on everything you said earlier, but I caution Democrats not to go down this rabbit hole and follow this too much. I think we're losing the narrative on affordability. Donald Trump has seized that very quickly from, in the last week. And I think if we chase Pete Hetzek around, around this, that's going to not be something American care about.

[Larry O'Connor]

Jaime is right. Did you notice when, when it was, you know, Captain Mark Kelly against Pete Hegseth or Mark Warner against Pete Hegseth, they were all full of piss and vinegar. But then suddenly, when they're squaring off against an admiral with all those medals on his chest and he's a Navy SEAL going back to 1991, suddenly the tone changes. This was political. Another attack on Hegseth.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah. All right. True social from the president. He wants, he wants to, I don't know, something with a filibuster in the Supreme Court. We'll figure it out. So, so Tom Cotton. Tom Cotton is the king of dancing on the media's grave. I don't know. Again, I'm having trouble with metaphors today. Here's Tom Cotton on CNN this morning saying the Washington Post owes a certain secretary of War an apology.

[Jaime Harrison]

Admiral Bradley was totally justified in a decision he made, a decision, by the way, that was broadcast on multiple secure screens at the Pentagon and Fort Bragg and that hundreds of people watched in real time with probably dozens of JAG lawyers. So what the Washington Post said last week was a complete lie. They owe an apology to Pete Hegseth, and especially they owe an apology to Admiral Mitch Bradley. He is a highly decorated career Navy seal.

[Mark Levin]

So I said in the early days of this controversy that it was significant that Tom Cotton hadn't said a word, because he hadn't, because of the sway he has. Well, now he's, he's said both yesterday and then this morning, four square for Pete Hegseth, foursquare for the Pentagon. Case closed. Yesterday, Jaime and Kristen Davidson both said this story is done by the weekend. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you one caution. If you think this story is dead. There's one person who hasn't spoken yet who has what we call in Washington standing. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the very conservative, very Republican, very much chairman of the Senate Armed Service Committee, Roger Wicker. He was asked what's up? Roger Wicker what do you think of what you saw and heard today? And here's what he said, or rather didn't say. Number 12, please.

Are you concerned, though, what you saw in the video?

[Jaime Harrison]

I'm going to withhold comment beyond the.

[James Patterson]

Fact that we were briefed about very.

[Mark Levin]

Did you see evidence of a war crime in that video?

[Jaime Harrison]

I'm going to withhold comment, but thank you so much.

[Mark Levin]

People from Mississippi are the most polite people in the world. We also asked him, Kira, about comments.

[Larry O'Connor]

Made by Jim Himes that you just.

[Mark Levin]

Played off off people from Mississippi, very polite people from Louisiana, number two. Anyway, Wicker was a skeptic of Hagseth has been a skeptic and Chairman Wicker also. I don't, I don't know this, but you continue to see sentences, paragraphs down low in stories about this matter saying Hegseth has lost confidence of people on Capitol Hill. The Washington Post wrote a whole story about it. But other organizations continue to say there's disquiet about Hegseth among some Republicans on Capitol Hill. So, Jaime, is Chairman Wicker a ticking time bomb here for Pete Hegseth? And this is, in fact, not over until the chairman sings or speaks. He's not, he's not fat. He's just the chairman.

[Jaime Harrison]

No, the senators. Lovely. And we, we have an office down in Mississippi. And some of my colleagues worked for him for a long time. So I met him a few times. Look, he's, look, he, it's been a ticking time bomb all year. And he, and he, one thing about the senator, he, he speaks with conviction and he's in those words, even if it's no comment, were well constructed and he thought about it. So he's never been a fan of the secretary, even if he was a Democrat. I wouldn't be a fan of the secretary. And I think just because I'm just pro experience and he just doesn't have the experience for this job, I don't think. And the senator probably thinks that as well. He still has confidence of the president. And so until the president says otherwise, I do not think that this thing is going to be as bad for the secretary as the media and people are trying to make it out to be. The president is going to be with him. I just can't see the president evading him right now.

[Mark Levin]

Larry, why is Senator Wicker silent?

[Larry O'Connor]

I'd like to think that he's being restrained and senatorial and just being a grownup in the room. He doesn't need to jump in front of a camera, unlike Most of the people in this.

[Mark Levin]

Well, but the cameras are right there. Every other Republican, including Tom Cotton, has said, we see, we saw it. It's all fine. Nothing to see here. Let's move on. Why won't Roger Wicker say that?

[Larry O'Connor]

Listen, I saw the same thing you saw. I asked some of my sources and people who know both of these gentlemen pretty well exactly what you're asking. And the response I got was what Cotton said really does speak for the committee. And he has impeccable credentials, impeccable respect. And here's the other thing. No one thinks that Tom Cotton said what he said if he didn't actually believe it.

[Mark Levin]

Right.

[Larry O'Connor]

I mean, Tom Cotton, he would not hesitate to criticize both Exeth and Trump and the operation.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah.

[Larry O'Connor]

And so I think, I think the agreement was. Yeah, all right. Tom will be the point person on this. And the chairman is being restrained.

[Mark Levin]

Larry, would you say tbd? Yeah, I agree with, I agree with him. A. Larry, tbd. Don't, don't assume. Let's see what the Chairman says.

[Larry O'Connor]

I've got more to say, but I'll save it for my winners of the week. How's that?

[Mark Levin]

Okay, here we go. Here we go. Russia, Russia, Ukraine. I just find it strange, and we don't need to spend long on this. Yesterday in Miami, the Ukrainians met with Witkoff and Jared Kushner, where Putin continues to kind of dump stuff on the deal. This seems like the biggest story in the world right now that doesn't involve China because China is always the biggest story in the world. And yet, like, there's barely any coverage today of where we are. So do you guys have any sense of where we are? Do you understand why this is not like a front page story?

[Jaime Harrison]

People over. Look, this is, this is going to sound terrible to say, but I think people are. The American people, the American public, the American media. I think they've drawn very tired of this war and cover and these. And there are not many more angles to cover.

[Mark Levin]

And I, I get it, I get that. I get that. That, you know, I totally agree with you. But, but I'm just saying, like, shouldn't this be on the front pages of the New York Times, even if it's not something people in Green Bay Diners.

[Jaime Harrison]

Care about, but there's also, like, you know this better than I do. And Larry, you know, there's so much happening every day that it's just. And the narrative has been lost. And I think when the Republican Party last year sort of stepped away from full throatedly supporting Ukraine and sort of people. And just people are just sort of tired of the war. They're tired of talking about it. They're tired of Putin not. Not acting. They're tired of. Of the Ukrainian president coming to America and having these displays with the president. People are just over it.

[Larry O'Connor]

Yeah. There's just so many European obsessions we can be focused on. And it's Soccer Day. Mark. I'm sorry.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, all right, I hear you. All right, let's move on to Letitia James. This will be a quick one. Yesterday, I don't know why it was so widely reported what a grand jury didn't do. It turns out it's my line. I've been building the entire show around. It turns out Letitia James is a lot of things, but she's not a ham sandwich because the. The grand jury wouldn't indict her. So here's my question. Are they going to find a way to re indict her either. Either going back to this grand jury or some other way? Larry, yes or no? Will they find a way to re indict Letitia James or is it over?

[Larry O'Connor]

Yes, I think they will.

[Mark Levin]

Yes, they will. Hi, Ma.

[Jaime Harrison]

They will try.

[Mark Levin]

Yes, they'll. There'll be another indictment somehow. Okay, I agree. All right. Redistricting. Big win for the Republicans yesterday. The U.S. supreme Court because justices are politicians in robes. Six to three. All the Democratic nominated justices voted no. The Republicans said yes. Unsigned opinion. The Texas.

Attempt to pick up five seats. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. But they've got a chance to now has been upheld by the Supreme Court, overturning the court of Appeals decision that had temporarily said the Texas couldn't do it. Larry correctly points out in a great tweet this morning. I recommend you follow Larry on Twitter. Put that one up. That you know, this was not started by the Republicans, despite the media's attempt to say that the Republicans were the ones who started this war. Larry lives in Maryland. And go ahead and put up Larry's tweet, if you would, and just take a look at Larry's congressional district in Maryland, if you want to talk about. It's not quite the shape of a salamander, but it's pretty close.

[Larry O'Connor]

I like to describe this as an octopus and a squid and a tarantula having a threesome.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah. And Larry, if your community were districted not using AI and software, it wouldn't look like that. But could a Republican win in your community?

[Larry O'Connor]

I could draw the lines in a way that would help a Republican well.

[Mark Levin]

But what if it were drawn organically?

[Larry O'Connor]

No. Organically, it's still going to be a blue dominant. My district now, my district was drawn that way. And by the way, it has been redrawn because the Democrats tried to do what. What Westmore is trying to do now, which was make Maryland eight to nothing. That was challenged in the Maryland court, said you can't do that. So it moved us back to seven to one. So it has been redrawn since that district line, which was, I think, two years ago, but it was drawn that way to accommodate other districts, shuffle them around and get rid of the western Maryland district that had been reliably Republican. That's when Maryland officially went to seven to one instead of six to two. Right.

[Mark Levin]

Jaime, do you think we have shoes left to drop? Florida, a few other states are still talking about doing it.

[Larry O'Connor]

Virginia, and then we've also Supreme Court.

[Mark Levin]

And the Supreme Court deciding on the Voting Rights Act. Where do you think this is going to net out?

[Jaime Harrison]

I think it's going to be really bad. But also, I'm just, I'm so. I'm personally sick of the conversation. And I think it's, it is, it is, it is disingenuous for, for the American, the American public to.

To be so pro democracy, but spend so much time on both sides, Republicans and Democrats, so much time on both sides, trying to draw these maps that are going to be advantageous for either party. Let's just. The American people are smarter than we give them credit for. They know who they want to elect. They know what they want from their government. They've expressed it time and time again. And we got to stop gaming the system to do that. So I still think it's going to probably net out to the Republicans benefit. And so, you know, that's, I think that's going to happen.

So we'll see. In the voting rights, I'm, I'm much more interested in there, you know, these, the black voters in America have had to think about this and feel about this for a very long time. And we've been toggled back and forth between, you know, Louisiana, there's one. There was one majority black seat. Now there are two in Alabama same way. And they're going to take those two away and they're, you know, and if the Voting Rights act does get pulled back, there's, I think about 14 members of the CBC will, will not be reelected because they won't have districts anymore.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, it'll be massive if that happens.

[Larry O'Connor]

I agree with Jaime that the American people hate this stuff and it would be great if they got politics out of drawing these district lines. But Mark, I think you would agree that I believe this argument is about 220 years old.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah.

[Larry O'Connor]

And by the way, at this Tony Rizzi party, it was at last night, there was a cable news executive there and he was predicting that next year is going to be a bloodbath for Republicans and wanted me to agree with him. And I said, you know what, let's wait to see how all the districts are drawn and then I'll give you my opinion.

[Jaime Harrison]

Because you know, Larry, even, even if the maps maintained right now, I'm not convinced that it's going to be a bloodbath for Republicans.

[Mark Levin]

Hold on, hold on, guys. We got to move on because we got two topics to get to. Both involve the Justice. That's right, both involved the Justice Department in the media. Then we had to winners, losers, what to look for. And then folks, questions again. Raise your hand if you want to get in the conversation. Let's do these quick. They're rich topics, but let's do them quick. I should have mentioned the daybook. The alleged pipe bomber is in court today being arraigned. I'm not sure what time that is. And there's all sorts of information about this gentleman's connections to public life. Here's, here's the way Jake Tapper covered this yesterday. This is number 21, please.

Brian Cole Jr. A 30 year old white man from the D.C. suburbs is charged with transporting an explosive device in interstate commerce and with malicious destruction by means of explosions. CNN observed local and federal law enforcement outside his home in Woodbridge. I don't, I don't see race. I don't, I don't see race. But he does not appear to be a white man, whatever that means. And, and then there's lots of questions about why this took so long to solve. The, the Trump Justice Department, FBI say they, they didn't have new evidence, they just sifted through it better. But people are wondering what, why didn't the Biden white Justice Department solve this? Larry, thoughts on those two questions of Jake Tapper and why this took so long to solve?

[Larry O'Connor]

Well, you tell me. Was, was that a teleprompter situation? Is Jake just reading the teleprompter and he's not plugged in on the story? Because that, that's just, I don't know, isn't it?

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, yeah, right.

[Jaime Harrison]

It's got to be.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, I guess. Although it does, it does raise a question of who wrote the teleprompter. Yeah.

[Larry O'Connor]

It's kind of a Ron Burgundy, and I don't think Jake's a Ron Burgundy type necessarily. I think.

[Mark Levin]

Use the word necessarily.

[Larry O'Connor]

The Jake Tapper moment there does play into one of the larger narratives here, though, which is there is a suspicion from the conservative side of the equation that because this suspect. And you rightly say, Mark, the FBI under Chris Wray and Merrick Garland had the evidence there, they just didn't apprehend this person and arrest him, that the evidence they had points them to a suspect. That did not play into the larger narrative about January 6, that it was all about MAGA, white supremacy and insurrection and all of that. And this would have undermined that political narrative and also could have been used as exculpatory evidence against so many of the people who were arrested on January 6th. I'm not saying that's the case, but those questions need to be.

[Mark Levin]

Larry, Like, Tucker is just raising questions.

[Larry O'Connor]

Yeah.

[Jaime Harrison]

I mean, I take it. I take it very. I take it very personally. And you guys know, I worked in that building for.

My mom every day. I mean, she would be so nervous about me going to work. And that's just. That's. That's just not the way things should be. And I don't think the. The Biden, The Bidens tried to cover this up to, you know, for political reasons. I mean, you know, there's no. There's no place in politics for. For this. We, these young kids who are working at the RNC and the DNC should not feel fear for their lives going to work every day when they're trying to serve their country, serve their parties. Yeah. And I think.

[Mark Levin]

Amen. Amen.

[Jaime Harrison]

They're happy.

[Larry O'Connor]

I agree.

[Mark Levin]

Amen to that. All right. We were going to talk about what's going on with Turning Point and Tucker and Candace, but we're not. I'm calling inaudible because there's another story. It's a media story. And, you know, I don't like this to be a media show in general, but this is a really interesting one. The Washington. Sorry, miss Now. And by the way, guys, we have the equivalent of a swear jar if anybody calls it MSNBC. You got to put 40 grand in this, in the bucket, so be careful what you say.

[Larry O'Connor]

I'm sorry, was that mandated by Comcast? Was that.

[Mark Levin]

Exactly, exactly. Branding is everything. Ms. Now has two great reporters. Remind me their names. Carol Lessing. Is that her name? She was at the Washington Post. Lennox. Carol Lennig. Very good reporter. I think she's one of Pulitzer, maybe. And then, then Ken Delaney, and who is a very nice guy. I'll say some people have a more jaundiced view of Ken than others, including Larry. Anyway, they have a story written with gusto that says Cash Patel. There's been lots of controversy lately about his. His girlfriend getting protection even when he's not around. And, and there's allegations that he's been demanding. When they said, well, she doesn't need this much protection, he says she does. They have a story saying that she was out drinking with her girlfriends in Nashville and that they. She insisted they drive her. Her inebriated girlfriend home, the FBI driver home. And, and that when they refuse to, Cash Patel called personally and said, no, drive my girlfriend's girlfriend home. Okay. The story's written clearly. And again, it's of a piece with a lot of negative stories about Cash Patel of late. Here's the story. Cash Patel has on more than one occasion ordered that the security detail protecting his girlfriend to score one of her allegedly inebriated friends home after a night of partying in Nashville, according to three people with knowledge. Okay, that couldn't be clear. Three people with knowledge. They don't hedge it at all. The reaction from the Justice Department and Trump folks has been ferocious. And this is not. These are not like Hegset style non denial denials. Right? These are not blanket like saying this story is, you know, fake news. Not blanket, but. But vague. Right. Here's some of the denials that have been issued. First of all, this is from the Justice Department, or is it just Parliament or FBI spokesperson, which is this FBI? So here's what the FBI spokesperson said. Hundred, a thousand percent false and did not happen. And I'd like to give you some behind the scenes insight into how hogwash this hogwash got printed. I got this allegation on Tuesday. It sounded made up and I told the reporter. So I went and checked with everyone involved. Alexis, that's Cash Patel's girlfriend, who doesn't even drink. The director at the detail and more, all of whom said it didn't happen, couldn't find any corroboration or record of it whatsoever. I went back to the reporter and said, quote, everyone involved in this is. Everyone involved says this is false. Can you give me any other info so I can provide some proof beyond just a denial? A date, name of the friend, anything? The report. Their response was, quote, we do not. We do not have that info, but we are comfortable with our sourcing. And then here's Rick Grinnell who's very busy running the Kennedy center and doing many other things. But he. He says Chris Wray ignores the pipe bomber for four years, but Kendallane can't stop harassing the young woman dating the new FBI director. It's time NBC News executives step in and do something. Now, I will say if I'm the reporter on this story, and I don't have. Let alone are refusing to provide the name and the date, it's a bullshit story. Okay. I just. I just don't think you could write a story like that without providing those specifics and to assert that you don't even have them. Right. That's what it said. Right. We don't have them.

[Larry O'Connor]

Yeah.

[Mark Levin]

Right. We don't have them. Now. Now, I assume that. That the FBI spokesperson is accurately reporting what the reporter said. But if you can't say when and where. And I can tell you, I've dealt with this on both sides as the reporter and as a subject. If somebody's saying, here's an accusation. We can't tell you when it happened or who's involved, but it's true and we're running it. That's bullshit.

[Jaime Harrison]

I do. I do love the. The word hogwash. I haven't used that in a while.

[Mark Levin]

That was. Well.

[Jaime Harrison]

That was well used.

[Larry O'Connor]

Yeah.

[Mark Levin]

You know, when I use it, I use. Sometimes I'll say hogwashery.

[Jaime Harrison]

Yeah, like that. Well, I mean, I'm annoyed by the fact that. That Cash Patel's girlfriend has a security detail.

[Larry O'Connor]

Yeah.

[Jaime Harrison]

And Joe Biden didn't extend Kamala Harris's detail for six more months, and she has a far greater security threat.

[Mark Levin]

Very reasonable position.

[Jaime Harrison]

Tell his girlfriend. So I'm annoyed by the waste, fraud, and abuse of that. And if. And if this story is true, then I'm even further annoyed that they're using taxpayer dollars to gallivant around Nashville, which is a lovely city.

[Mark Levin]

It is.

I endorse all that. But what's your view of how it could be? This is kind of like Himes vs Cotton. They watch the same video, and they're seeing two different things. The reporters wrote the story, and they put their name on it, and they say it just 100% didn't happen. Well, what could that be?

[Jaime Harrison]

I'm a flack by.

[Mark Levin]

By trade.

[Jaime Harrison]

And so I'm not. I'm not a. I'm not gonna just take. I'm not gonna defend the media. You know, when you come. If. If I were on. If I were a spokesperson for the FBI and a reporter came to me and said, we heard this, and we don't have any details, any specifics. I would. I would do the exact same thing that the spokesperson did.

[Larry O'Connor]

Yeah.

[Jaime Harrison]

I would set the record straight, and then I would. I would lambash this reporter because this is an unfair reporting if it's not true.

[Larry O'Connor]

Larry, full disclosure. I know Cash Patel and I have socialized with he and alexis back in 23. In fact, we were in downtown Annapolis, which is famous for pubs and bars, and I can confirm Alexis did not have a drink.

[Mark Levin]

Were you so drunk that the detail had to drive you?

[Larry O'Connor]

I was out of my mind.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, but who drove you home, Larry? My tax dollars.

[Jaime Harrison]

He stayed in Annapolis for the night.

[Larry O'Connor]

We have. We have a Tesla. It self drives. It's fine. I'm kidding. I was not behind.

[Mark Levin]

I was told you slept on the floor of the bar. But I only. I don't have this.

[Larry O'Connor]

Moving on. Let me do it quick. You're right. Hogwash is correct. I would probably use something a little less FCC compliant. And. And from a MAGA perspective, this is the kind of thing that we hate, because I just did a quick search on Ken's name and Christopher Wray's use of a jet when he left a Senate oversight committee early and said, sorry, I got to catch a flight so he could use that government plane to go on vacation. Ken didn't write anything about that. But we're writing about the director.

[Mark Levin]

I think we all largely agree here. Real quick, because I want to get community questions. There are lots of hands up again. Raise your hand if you want a conversation. We're into winners and losers of the week and what to look for. Ratty tatty tatty. Larry.

[Larry O'Connor]

Winner, winner of the week is Pete Hegseth. I'm sorry. I've been watching this program every morning for over a year now, and I remember a year ago, I was told they were going to have to withdraw his nomination before Christmas. He wouldn't make it to committee. Okay, he made it out of committee, but he won't win on the floorboat. All right, he's not going anywhere.

[Mark Levin]

Pete Hagg says hi. I'm a winner of the week.

[Jaime Harrison]

Lane Kiffin, new, new head coach, lsu.

[Larry O'Connor]

Oh, the most hated man in college football is your.

[Mark Levin]

That's a controversial pick. Controversial pick. Andrew Giuliani, who's overseeing the World cup stuff.

[Larry O'Connor]

Good call.

[Mark Levin]

Got this event. This is an incredible event. And you don't even have to love soccer to see you. Got you the heads of Mexico, United States, Canada. You got all these celebrities there. This is an Incredible Day. For U.S. soccer. So congratulations to Andrew for pulling it off along with others. Larry, Loser of the week.

[Larry O'Connor]

Christopher Ray has a lot of questions that need to be answered and it is. This arrest is just a black mark on his record in his career.

[Mark Levin]

Haa.

[Jaime Harrison]

I'm gonna stay in the sec. Ole Miss.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, that was, that was mine too. Losers of the week. I mean, this new guy seems like he'd be a decent coach, but man, they're not. Whatever. Larry, what are you looking for this weekend?

[Larry O'Connor]

I am fulfilling a childhood dream. I am as in my roots. Before talk radio was in the performing arts, I was the manager of Broadway theaters. And for the first time in my life, I'm attending the Kennedy Center Honors this Sunday. And I will be the only man in the room who will be crying tears of joy for both Michael Crawford, the original Phantom of the Opera, who I saw in his final dress rehearsal before a public performance, and my childhood favorite band as a boy from Detroit. Kiss Detroit Rock City. It's going to be amazing.

[Mark Levin]

Larry, what Democratic political operative for decades wrote the Kennedy Center Honors script?

[Larry O'Connor]

I don't know.

[Mark Levin]

Bob Schrum? Hyma?

[Larry O'Connor]

Really?

[Jaime Harrison]

I've been, I've been three times and you're going to have a great time. I was not invited this year, obviously, but it's a wonderful event. So yeah, enjoy it and go for Mark Twain Prize next year if they bring it back.

[Mark Levin]

That's the one, dude. That is the best. That is the best.

[Jaime Harrison]

It's the best event.

[Mark Levin]

It's the best event.

[Jaime Harrison]

I, I'm, I'm looking for. This is, I'm looking forward to two things. One, I'm getting, looking forward to getting back from, to the east coast because I've had enough of the west Coast. But I'm, I'm, I'm looking. I don't know. This is Pete Hessek story. To your point, Mark, I, I just want to see what happens over the weekend if it gets leg, if the media keeps talking about it, if it becomes a story still on Monday. So I'm just interested to see how, how people talk about it this weekend once we probably have a who knows what the Friday Newsom's going to be, you know, several hours. So I want to see what's what people say this weekend about p. That's it.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, I think the video is going to leak out over the weekend. So that's what I'm looking for. All right, here we go, ladies and gentlemen. One quick word from a sponsor, then to your questions. Our friends at Poncho want you to dress right and they've got you covered. Great new styles. Western polo the tough thread, comfortable, durable and versatile for whatever the season brings. If it's good enough for Hogan Gidley Close Horse of North America, it's good enough for you. $10 off your first order and free shipping. Go to poncho outdoors/ponchooutdoors.com 2wmm.

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[Larry O'Connor]

I do. And I'd also say, John, you're right about the Clinton era. I think it had more to do with Newt Gingrich winning the House for the first time in 40 years for Republicans.

[Jaime Harrison]

Newt.

[Mark Levin]

Newt agrees with you, by the way.

[Larry O'Connor]

I know he does. And also by the way, President Trump never ran on those kind of traditional small government sort of a small budget sort of issue. So I don't blame him necessarily for it. But I think the only solution, John, is an Article 5 convention, because this current crop in D.C. ain't going to do it.

[Mark Levin]

That'll never happen, but good idea. Kaima.

[Jaime Harrison]

I saw, I saw, I saw Newt Gingrich in the CBS Green Room a couple weeks ago, and we had a nice exchange. It was, it was interesting. Look, look, John, I think it's refreshing, Mark, that so many people in your audience talking about the national debt. I feel like that conversation has subsided. And so as a, as a Democrat, I think having you have, having these conservative values pop back up in a traditional way is very refreshing. But look, John, I think you're right. I think the government is. I think we gotta attack bringing government in a better place, from local government to state government to federal government. It's not just the federal government that we've gotta, that we've got to look at and not, you know, that's making this government feel too large. The local governments in these cities have gotten bigger. State governments have gotten bigger. And so I think for, you know, you look at people like J.B. pritzker, who, you know, you guys know, I really like. It's about good governance and delivering services. It can't be about just having government jobs for the sake of employing people and being the largest. I don't think the government should ever be the larger, largest employer in any state. I just don't.

[Mark Levin]

I just want to. I just want to say, as a conservative Republican with what you just said, I would vote for you. Thank you. I'm.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Mark Levin]

And I was a man of common sense.

[Larry O'Connor]

I want Jaime to be right. The problem, though, is, from my perspective, the power and influence and excitement in your party and energy is with the Bernie Sanders and AOC wing. And we'll see well, my mom has.

[Jaime Harrison]

No idea who AOC is.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, we'll see. John, thank you. While I try once again and I'll say one last time to get Jay to unmute. Go ahead and play Chairman Harrison again. Talking about him, I just as like a little attaboy. Play that, play that. Jay, can you unmute? Jay? Jay, can you unmute? You know how to unmute.

[Larry O'Connor]

Oh, you got Jaima. There you go.

[Mark Levin]

All right. Jay's. Jay's having so much trouble unmuting, he turned his camera off.

[Larry O'Connor]

So we'll move that Hyman's new ringtone.

[Mark Levin]

We'll move on there. I hope so. I hope it is all right. Tom Lewis, welcome in. Tell folks who don't know where you are what's on your mind.

[James Patterson]

Hi there. Thank you for calling me Mark from. From a Saratoga Springs.

New York.

[Mark Levin]

Yes, sir.

[James Patterson]

What's on my mind. I love two way and I want to explain why. So first at a full disclosure, I'm someone who cannot hate the media enough. The constant spin, the outright lying.

[Mark Levin]

Welcome to. Welcome to. Welcome to your safe space.

[James Patterson]

That's exactly correct. So I'm. But I'm three time maga. I believe Donald Trump is literally the greatest president of my lifetime. But I want to talk about the co host. So I think Monday you had had Hogan Ginley and a very knowledgeable female Democrat. I don't know her name.

[Mark Levin]

Ashley Etienne. Tom, I don't want you to run through the whole week. I'd love for you to just ask question just, just because I want to get a couple more folks in.

[James Patterson]

Yeah. My point is their tone was so hardcore media as opposed to why I listen every day. You've got Sean and Dan and I specifically want to call out Yamisi and Jaime. I like those people because they're knowledgeable. I learned something. And their tone. So there's my comment.

[Mark Levin]

That's what tone matters. Tom, thank you. Tone matters a lot to us here and however we end up with the program, you can, you can count on having hosts who have a tone that is consistent with peace, love and understanding in the spirit of the show, which is to educate people and to compare sides and not to just hear things you agree with but if you disagree, have a reasonable explanation of the other side so you can learn from that. So Tom, thank you. We're right in sync with you. Thank you for that, Tom.

[Jaime Harrison]

That's a great clock back there.

[Mark Levin]

It is a great clock, homie. Do you get any feedback for being on the show?

[Jaime Harrison]

Yeah, people. People like that. I'm here. And I like that. I'm here, too. So.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, we're. We're grateful to you for being here. All right, let's go to Bob. Bob, welcome in. Tell folks who don't know where you are what's on your mind. Look at that. You know, it's going to. You're not going to the packers game on Sunday, are you, Bob?

[Caller]

No, I'm not going to the Packers.

[Mark Levin]

It's going to be. It's going to be like. It's going to be like 14 degrees.

[Caller]

It will be cold. I've been in games like that. I've probably been to 20 games in Lambeau and probably seen the packers in 25 games overall at various places.

[Larry O'Connor]

That's football, my friend. That's football. Thank you very much.

[Caller]

No, I'm actually in Northern Illinois, but I'm on the Wisconsin border. So, yes, I'm on the fault lines of the Packer Bears rivalry.

[Larry O'Connor]

Yeah.

[Caller]

And I. I know Mark references Green Bay diners all the time, so, yeah, he must have spent some time in Green Bay.

[Mark Levin]

I just like. I like any diner where you go in and you order a salad and fries and you can be sure they'll both come with cheese, even if you don't ask for it.

[Jaime Harrison]

And cheese curds on the side.

[Mark Levin]

And cheese curds on the side. Bob, what's on your mind with that great background? Well, what I.

[Caller]

What I wanted to ask was it really involves the incentives involved in the media. And I posted a. I posted a comment in the chat a little while ago, like, to me, you know that admiral who is a bona fide badass, right?

[Mark Levin]

Yeah.

[Caller]

You know, took all the air out of this story generated by the Washington Post. Kill them all. You know, like, yeah, it was. I call it the Metallica album order.

[Jaime Harrison]

Kill them all.

[Larry O'Connor]

Supposedly. Right.

[Caller]

But, you know, it didn't happen. So what. What are. What are the repercussions? Why like this do people get. You guys have been around media more than me. Was there ever a time when people would get, you know, taken to the woodshed, so to speak, fired? Or would there be some consequences for being this wrong or just written off as sloppy reporting and every. Oh, it's all good. Nothing to see here. Let's move on.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, I've been trying to get my arms around how the Post story could be right. You know, just give them the benefit of that and say, is it possible that what their source told them could be right? And it ain't easy to do. I gotta say, it ain't easy to Do. So.

Not sure where that's gonna leave us. Larry, your thoughts?

[Larry O'Connor]

Well, I mean, listen, I'm. I'm. I'm a conservative talk radio host and podcaster, so I, I bring a certain perspective here, which I guess is the perspective you want. And, and Bob, from my perspective, there would be repercussions or these reporters would be called out into the woodshed if they didn't do the job they were hired to do. And sadly, I've reached the point now, especially over the last 10 years, that a lot of these reporters aren't necessarily hired or celebrated or promoted or rewarded for telling the truth and giving you the most accurate reporting. Their job is to bring a story that is close enough to the truth that will advance a political idea. I could be wrong about that. I'm telling you my perspective up front. Front. But to me, they're not going to be disciplined and they're not going to feel any repercussions, because ultimately they really did what. What they were meant to do.

[Mark Levin]

Jaime?

[Jaime Harrison]

Yeah, I think that's. I think a lot of that's true, Larry. Well, look, I, I still think that there's a lot of good American journalists that we got to celebrate, too. And I think the, the landscape just gotten so bombarded with political journalism that people just don't. Like my mom, she doesn't watch national news. She only watched I was home last week. She watches ABC all day, you know, or, you know, a local, local ABC all day. And so local news is still, I think, the prevailing.

Sort of source for good journalism in a lot of places. But there's still a few national journalists that are good. And I want to respect. Not all of them are bad. Not all of them are lazy.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, Admiral Bradley got huge props from, uh, uh, Admiral McRaven. You talk about bad badasses in the New York Times today. So he definitely, he definitely is. He definitely is. Having a moment, Bob. Thank you. I got to sneak in a quick one last sponsor, and then we're going to close up with a few more interesting things, so stand by for that. Folks at Lean are also having a big sale. 30% off everything. Brickhousesale.com don't need a promo code. Just go to brickasssale.com if you want to learn how to lose weight. Doctor, engineer, doctor. Designed nutritional products. No fad diets, no injections. Just a way to lose weight and be healthy in a safe, natural way. Products from Lean weight loss without injections, as I said, Products from Creatine projects from Field of Green Super Fruit and drink. A vegetable drink. All available to you now. 30% off for yourself. Maybe you give it to somebody for the holidays. Brick House Sale Cyber Monday sale continues 30% off go to brickhouse sale.com 30% off all the products there. If you want to around the holidays, try something new to maybe lose weight. Larry has it right there. Larry. Are they a sponsor of yours?

[Larry O'Connor]

Well, they are, but that does. That's not the only reason I use it.

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[Larry O'Connor]

Well, except that I'm so ripped now.

[Mark Levin]

You know you are. Yeah, that's a problem with me. That's how I justify still wearing the extra large. The guns and the pecs are just big. The holidays mean more travel, more shopping.

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[Mark Levin]

Play the Jamie. Jamie Harrison thing one more time. Just because I love it so much. There was one more time.

Sam, you got that?

Here we go. Three, two, one. Larry. Yes, Great. Grateful to you for being here.

[Larry O'Connor]

Thank you. And I just want to say I. I kind of want to hang with Jaime's mom because she sounds awesome and. Is she still down in Louisiana?

[Jaime Harrison]

She's still down Louisiana, dude.

[Larry O'Connor]

I bet her gumbo is killer.

[Jaime Harrison]

Oh, she's killer. She's making one today, actually.

[Mark Levin]

Hi, Maurice. Mom is like the Baileys of the. Of the 2000s fives. Chuck Schumer had the Baileys.

[Larry O'Connor]

That's right.

[Mark Levin]

Phil Graham had Dickie flat. But now we've all got Jaime's mom.

[Larry O'Connor]

Tell you something about my mom?

[Mark Levin]

Let me tell you about my mom. She makes great gumbo. She's never heard of aoc. Let's start.

[Larry O'Connor]

Let's watch his abc.

[Mark Levin]

Let's start there. Jaime, thank you for being here, man. Really appreciate it. And I know you're on the road. I know you're on the road, so that's extremely generous. Two o' clock today on two way. My good friend Ethan Strauss joined by Ryan Glass Spiegel, a front office sports. Don't miss it. If you've not sampled Ethan's show. Today's the day, 2 o' clock Eastern time for random offense and then 6 o'. Clock. I've got two incredible guests on two way tonight. I feel fortunate to end the week with these two guys. Patrick Griffini, one of the best strategist pollsters in the Republican Party. And then Jaime, do you know Malcolm Kenyatta?

[Jaime Harrison]

Yeah. Oh yeah. No, he's a good friend.

[Mark Levin]

Yeah, I figured, I figured. He's a, he's a DNC board member, state rep in Pennsylvania. So those two guys will close the week out with us. We'll talk. Let's see if they like soccer.

[Jaime Harrison]

He'll be entertaining.

[Mark Levin]

We'll see if we'll see if they're members of the global community rather than jingoists like Larry and Ima and and we'll have full coverage of whatever else comes up today and close that we get there. So please join us at 6:00am tonight. And of course we'll be back Monday morning, 9:00am Eastern Time. Tom, the tone will be great. So come back Monday, 9am we'll see you all then. Thank you for being part of the two way community. Again, thanks to Larry and Hyman, everybody who guest hosted on the program this week. And stay tuned for next week. I think you'll be delighted with some of the folks who are going to stop on by to help us have our morning meetings. Thanks everybody. Again thanks to Larry and Ima. Have a great day.

[Larry O'Connor]

Bye guy.

[Caller]

It.