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GOP Outrage Grows at "Arctic Frost" and Jack Smith's Surveillance of Conservatives; Latest on 2028
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I'm James Patterson. I write way too many books. Welcome to Hungry Dogs. The title comes from my maternal grandmother, Isabel Zelvis Morris. Nan used to always say, hungry dogs run faster, James. And I've been running fast ever since. Here's what will be coming your way soon. And this is a really terrific list. I think you'll hear from some incredible people like Stacey Abrams. Yay. BJ Novak.
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Yay.
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Kathy Bates, Dolly Parton, Josh Gad. And Pope Leo. Okay, maybe not Pope Leo, but who knows? Maybe he'll show up. Hungry dogs run faster. Thank you, Grandma, for turning me into a hopeless, obsessive, compulsive. Listen to Hungry Dogs with James Patterson. That'd be me on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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This is it. The world as you know it is over. Completely done.
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It's not about to be over.
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It's over.
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Some of the scientists who helped build AI are now sounding the alarm. I was selling AI as a great thing for decades and I was wrong. I was wrong. There is a longer term existential threat that will arise when we create digital beings that are more intelligent than ourselves. We have no idea whether we can stay in control. While others say that AI will usher in unfathomable abundance, I've always believed that it's going to be the most important invention that humanity will ever make.
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This really will be a world of abundance.
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And among these fears and these fantasies, we seek the story of our future. Listen to the last invention on Apple.
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Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you get your podcasts.
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So breathe deep, keep love expanding.
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Peace and laughs are still commanding.
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Welcome to the Haunted Morning Meeting show by Two Way. Stay if you dare.
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I like that.
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Yeah. Happy Halloween, everyone. Welcome to the morning meeting. That's from our friend from Ohio and the Morning Meeting AI Orchestra. Appreciate you being part of this welcome in. Dan is all costumed up, but but real life there. Thank you for being here. If you want to be on the conversation, raise your hand. And I couldn't help but notice Sean is wearing clothes. As am I. From our friends and sponsors at Fairway and Green, here's a brief message from the folks at Fairway and Green. I read this straight from my phone here this Halloween, don't get caught looking like a ghost on the green. Fairway and Green has treats so good it's scary. Their polos are so smooth. Dracula ditched his cape. Their quarter zips wickedly soft Spun from the spells of style and threads of luxury. Whether you're Carving pumpkins or carving drives. Fairway and Green will have you looking beautiful all season long. So don't be a fashion zombie. Rise from the dead fairway and dress to thrill. Fairway and Green, where ghoul meets greatness. Sean, what are you wearing today from our friends at Fairway and Green?
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Well, Mark, I'm glad you asked. I've got this lovely polo which has an amazing collar, beautiful feel to it, and it's overlaid by one of their amazing vests. Mark, this is a windproof vest. It keeps me quiet, warm when I go out and pretend to golf or just walking down the street, walking the dog. All of that's available at Two Way TV Fairway. But Mark, you can get that promo code 20 Morning Meeting Two Way or frankly, anything at that site using the promo code 2way20people in the chat say.
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Red looks good on you. Just for. For whatever it's worth.
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And, and my Murakami hat, that's got red, so it's going for a matching thing. And this one says peach. Love and peace, love and understanding. Right, Leave. So again, all available to you to be part of the Two Way Morning Meeting team, go to Fairway Two Way TV Fairway. So today on the program, we're going to talk about the shutdown. We're going to talk about election day, this thing going on with Tucker Carlson and the Heritage foundation, which is a little inside but really interesting, Arctic frost. Some of the controversy swirling around the president. And then 2028 to two candidates whose potential is unknown even to them. Rahm Emanuel and Ronna, we'll talk about them. And then of course, it's Halloween, but it's also Friday. So that special feature, that branded segment that you all love so much, winners and losers of the week and what to look for this weekend, all here on a very special Friday edition of the morning meeting. As always, we'll talk about the day and then we'll get your questions in. If you're here in the two way platform late in the conversation, please raise your hand if you're watching on X or YouTube. Dan, what's your view? Smack in the chat. No, smack in the chat.
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At this point, I think we should just embrace. Smack in the chat. Yeah, turn it.
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Yeah, yeah. Do your best.
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Exactly.
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As much smack in there as you'd like. And Sean, are you for peace, love and understanding?
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I'm 100 behind that, yeah. In fact, I'm going. I'm doing an entire 527 that will spend dark money going support of peace, love and Understanding it's very counterintuitive, but that's the beauty of it.
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Yeah, there's going to run positive ads.
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Yeah, exactly. The first dark money spent on positives. Anyway, please be part of the conversation. If you've never raised your hand before, think about Halloween as a good peg to ask your first question. Quick word from one of our sponsors and then off to the races. Run through the news a day. Take lean.com if you go to take lean.com use the promo code Mark. You get 20% off. 20% off? What, you ask? Well, tonight, as you're eating Twizzlers and Milky Ways, perhaps consider starting anew tomorrow with the products from lean. Take lean.com not for fad diets, not for weight cycling, gaining a lot by eating 10 pounds of Milky Ways, but by doing it the right way. Losing weight using the products from Lean, created by doctors oral supplement, not a GLP1 injectable, backed by science and allow you to maintain healthy blood sugar, control appetite and cravings, and of course, burn fat by converting it to energy. So if you want to lose weight in a sensible way, consider the Try the products from lean. Go to leantakelean.com Enter the promo code Mark. And they're not using promo code mark to say anything about how pudgy I am. That's just the promo code. Promo code, takelean.com 20% off when you enter the promo code mark. Thank you for your attention to that important matter.
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I'm James Patterson. I write way too many books. Welcome to Hungry Dogs. The title comes from my maternal grandmother, Isabel Zelvis. Morris Nan used to always say, hungry dogs run faster, James. And I've been running fast ever since. Here's what will be coming your way soon. And this is a really terrific list. I think you'll hear from some incredible people like Stacey Abrams.
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Yay.
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BJ Novak.
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Yay.
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Kathy Bates, Dolly Parton, Joss Gad. And Pope Leo. Okay, maybe not Pope Leo, but who knows? Maybe he'll show up. Hungry dogs run faster. Thank you, Grandma, for turning me into a hopeless obsessive compulsive. Listen to Hungry Dogs with James Patterson. That'd be me on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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Here we go. The president today ain't doing much.
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This is going to Palm beach.
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Well, yeah, 101. He's getting out of town. He flew back from Asia, went to the Halloween party first. Let's show you that. Here's the president last night and the first lady Adorable. And you'll notice some of the super adorable trick or treaters happen to be the children of Stephen Miller and. What's Mrs. Miller's name? Katie. Katie Miller. And. And Caroline Levitt. But here, President just flying to Palm beach, leaves right at the end of the show. No public events, but if past his prologue, he'll be altered social. Here's last night.
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All right, whoever decorated gets an A plus for that. Outstanding.
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Do you think those pumpkins are hand carved by Americans?
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Yes, maybe.
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Beautiful.
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I also like Melania's outfit. Coordinating with it. Like very well done, the whole thing.
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And here's here. The. Is that the Millers? No. Coming up are the Millers.
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By the way, I love the way that he gets his basket. It's like the beginning of Price is Right when they handed that.
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Here are the Millers. Here are the Millers, one of several now administration officials living in private military housing for security. And here's Caroline. Anyway, that's last night. Today the president goes. He's not. Again, he's not. He's not got anything on his public schedule. I know what I'm doing wrong here. Stand by. I got a lot of screens going because of Halloween. I've got a whole screen of just Boris Karloff movies. And that is slowing me down. But now I'm on the right screen. Here we go.
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I would say good for Trump for doing that. Those little traditions like Easter egg Halloween. It's totally, totally agreeing, my son, to those. Just to give you a hint, he's never forget them.
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A tele town hall in Virginia with Youngkin. I mean, I can't. Like he got off that plane, got back to the White House, did the trick or treating, then did a tele town hall. I mean, honestly, I was.
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Well, he's not exactly in southwest, you know, coach 35.
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Nonetheless, nonetheless, here's. Here's a couple of young trick or treaters dressed as Donald and Melania Trump and a Secret Service agent. Good costumes. I applaud those. I don't know what the Vances are doing for Halloween or what the vice President's doing today. No public schedule we know of. House and Senate are now both out. The government shut down. It's up to Congress to fix it. And they're off. Sean Spicer says pox on all of you.
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Yep.
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Mike Johnson changing up the 10 o' clock press conference by featuring Agriculture Secretary Brooke Rollins, who of course oversees the SNAP program. And then he's also tonight, I don't know, is Mike Johnson going to Vegas or is this just remote. He's speaking at a group. There's a group called the Republican Jewish Coalition. If you're involved in Republican politics, you know exactly who they are. They've been around a long time, very influential group. And they meet regularly in Vegas because their patron saints are the Adelsons. And so Mike Johnson and a bunch of others are speaking there starting this evening. Ohio Redistricting Commission meeting this morning. Once again. All right, let's start with the shutdown. Lots of stuff going on there and nothing going on there. Hold on. Kill that out. Put up this, Mike. This, this. We've said there are three solutions. Basically, either the president intercedes, Chuck Schumer decides to go to Thune and strike a deal, or there's some renegade Democratic senators, renegade, principal, whatever you want to call them, who break and provide 60 votes to. To pass a clean CR. Here is. Here's Chuck. Or the Republicans gave. I shouldn't, I shouldn't preclude that. But the same. Those are the. Those are the forums. President Schumer, Thune or Democratic senators. Here's what Thune says about the Schumer track. This is a tweet from somebody from Punchbowl. He says Thune said yesterday the solution here is not going to run through Schumer. Now, we have these events coming up in the next five days that everybody said perhaps could force a solution. We've got the snap benefits running out. We've got the Obamacare premium, the re enrollment coming up where people will see very high premiums. And then, of course, Election Day and Tuesday. Some people believe that regardless of the results on Tuesday, that that'll somehow spur us to a solution. Let me just make sure I haven't forgotten anything here. Oh, 108. Last night, the President went on true Social posted along screed, if I can use the word screed without being accused of bias. Here's the AP headline. Trump says Senate should scrap the filibuster to end the government shutdown. Donald Trump has regularly said in various reasons he wants the filibuster to be scrapped because he says the Democrats will do it anyway. They for legislation. They have it. Mitch McConnell was stalwart and blocking president's interest in doing that. John Thune, also not a big fan of scrapping the filibuster. The votes are not there. There's already a number of Republican senators on the record saying they will not scrap the filibuster. So, Sean, obviously we're not gonna have a solution today, but what track are we on? Now to solve this, if any.
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Well, first of all, I do want to, I mean, Republicans are silly. The idea that Democrats won't eliminate the filibuster the second they get in is ridiculous. So I, this is one of those dumb moves where we play this game saying we need to be better and then they screw us so bad on them. Again, bad strategy, bad strategy, bad strategy. We are no better. I mean, as you said, they left town and most of them probably had a flight delayed. Starting to finally feel it personally. I mean, we'll see. I think this weekend the WIC thing continues to be as we see through our own participants here on the, on the, in the meeting. I, I think this is going to be the, the, the pill, the point, pain point where they're at home, they see people hearing about the issues that they're dealing with. So we'll see what happens when they come back after a few days being back in their states and their districts.
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Dan?
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Yeah, I, I, I'm now a little skeptical it's going to end soon because the same people who are telling me like, hey, I know we, we, we need to, you know, kind of ultimately cut something here before this get saying, look at the polling, like we're not the trend lines that we're going towards kind of break even have not kept going to where people are beginning to blame the Democrats. And so you have even people like Mark Warner who you would think between the federal employees in his state, he's traditionally fairly moderate, other kind of people who would probably be part of the coalition of the willing to reopen it who are saying, nope, this is worth, you know, remaining dug in. So we may be heading not towards a, you know, movement next week, but as we get towards Thanksgiving, yeah, I still have a hard time seeing going through Thanksgiving with this, that, that for a lot of reasons, but Schumer's holding everyone together.
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By the way, you know, when something like this happens, there's public polling that people read to Dan's point, like, hey, the Washington Post did a poll, it's got to be noted, like they literally yesterday got a presentation physically in person that said keep going. So when the Democrats, the Democrats, the Democrats, Democrats did. So this isn't like some random theoretical thing where there's a poll out there by Quinnipiac that they happen to read. They literally had a strategy session that said it makes sense to keep the government shut.
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So fairness to them, James Blair in the White House was up there a week and a half ago telling Republicans same thing, staying dug in yeah, but.
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The difference is Republicans are actually voting to open the government up. Right. So the president saying get rid of.
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The, Sean, all the, all the public polling up until that Washington Post polling had had things close enough that neither side could say, this is a disaster. That Washington Post poll is either an outlier or it's a, it's a, it's a sign that things have changed because there hasn't been a big public poll in a while. Would the Republicans have, through the RNC or some other way, would they have their own private polling and could, if the Post poll is, is, is a reflection of things having changed, couldn't, could that sufficiently pressure Republicans to offer something to settle it more than just you have to open the government first.
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So I would guess that somebody at the NRCC has tacked that on. Right? I mean, that's just, there's, I mean.
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But just to give people insight of how these things work, shouldn't they be polling it every day?
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Yeah, but the thing is here to your answer, here's how they're going to pull it. Should the government be opened or should we address health care after we reopen the government? And they're going to come back and say, yep, that. And so as you can imagine, how you phrase the question is going to matter.
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So, but it's obviously, but, but, but the key question is who do you blame? Right? That's, that's the headline of the Post poll. Does the White House, do you think, have polling the, that either conflicts with the Post polling or says the same thing? And again, isn't that, isn't that, wouldn't, couldn't that be the breaking point? They don't, they don't cave at that point, but they look for a solution. If the, if the Post poll is right and if you're the White House, you don't want to just rely on the 1 Washington Post poll. I'm just asking. So wouldn't they have been asking that question every day? Who do you blame?
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No, not every day. It's just not a four. I mean, they're not in the field. No one's paying for someone to be in a field every day. There might be every few days now.
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Well, but again, just to keep pressing on process, they know people who are in the field every day. They have friendly pollsters.
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All of this is going to come back to, here's what they're going to say. I mean, like I said, I've seen the movie before where they're going to go, look, they're blaming us but as long as we say we'll open the government and do this, it shifts. It's like what, you know, an informed ballot question. As long as we tell them that we're opening the government and then we want to deal with health care, we win this argument. So they might get told, right now, you're bearing the blame of this, so you should say X to. To shift that. Right. They're not getting told, oh, my God. Open it up.
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Got it.
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Here's what we need to do.
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I bet they're pulling, and I bet the D trip the ds, like, everyone is probably once a week on this is. Is your base sticking with you? So I bet the White House says we're still at 95% with the base. The base is with us. Then, you know, the Dems, I think, are the same boat. The question is that middle kind of, you know, 15%. Like, where are the independents? And I do think if there. If trend lines emerge, it absolutely will factor into how they think about it. And I think, you know, we'll get to some stuff later on here. I'll put more to say.
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Okay, let's talk about the midterms. It poured rain in New York yesterday, so the voting. The early vote. The early vote was disrupted. Anyone who went to the polls yesterday was foolish. Floated, really, or floated. Foolish or floated. Here's Peggy Noonan in her column. She's a New Yorker, and she's not a big Cuomo fan, per se, but she's definitely not a Mandani fan. Peggy writes New York should breathe deep, drink twice, then think again before electing the socialist mayoral candidate. He's barely 34, has never had a real job, was elected five years ago. The State assembly, which is a badge you wear while you scrounge around for attention and connections. This isn't the resume of the person you want in a position to guide the future of one of the largest economies in the world. All three of us have heard from people in the last week who feel like Peggy does. They're not huge Cuomo fans. They might even be Republicans, but they're kind of focused now on trying to stop him from winning. Here are the early vote totals from the Gothamist 106. Again, some indication that the early vote is older than the primary vote was. This is what pro Cuomo people are hanging their hat on as much as anything else. Big turnout, which they'll need to win. It doesn't guarantee a Cuomo win, but it's certainly a necessary condition. And. And then in Virginia and. And And New Jersey, guys, you agree with me. The conventional wisdom now is Democrats will win them both. But, but Virginia will be closer than people had thought. But New Jersey will mean may not. May be less close than people thought even a week ago. Is that you guys share that view.
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You know, I'm, I'm still bullish on Virginia.
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Yeah.
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It's all get out the vote. Your ground game is worth a field goal. And so this is where I think this is going to test who's got a better ground game on both sides. I feel very good about Miaris.
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The attorney general's race.
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The attorney general's race, it's going to go backwards up. Jason will win by the most. I think John Reed might make it over. And then the question is, can Winsome get pulled over like she did in. Or they all did in. In four years ago.
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Dan, how are you feeling about the.
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Three in New Jersey? Which is a remarkable thing when we, where we thought we were this summer is Democrats remain worried about voter base energy and turnout, which is we all thought that we in the off year with Trump, you know, doing everything he's doing, that our base would be, you know, jumping out windows to vote, especially in Virginia with the shutdown, I mean, with the Doge and everything. Yet there are worries about Democrats that's turning out.
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Yep. Okay. Don't Forget Tuesday night, 8 o' clock Eastern Time. Join Two Way in the new York Post for special election coverage. We'll be covering New York, New Jersey, Virginia, and then other races around the country. Election night coverage like no other. You'll be able to be part of the conversation the way. The way you are here. And we'll be aggregating the coverage the way we do here. So please join us Tuesday night, 8 o', clock with our partners at the New York Post for full coverage of election night. Go to two Way TV to register if you want to be on the platform to participate, we'll stream on our YouTube channels as well as websites. But if you want to be part of the conversation, go to two Way tv. You'll see a place to register. All right. We've spent a lot of the last 18 months or so with a civil war in the Democratic Party over Israel that has been brought. And at the elite level, but also the grassroots level, there's now a big fight within the Republican Party, the conservative movement, maga over Israel. And I don't know how much it's at the grassroots, although people at the grassroots talk about it. But at the elite level, it's Quite intense. And it was inflamed this week when Tucker Carlson had. What's that guy's name? Nick Fuentes. Thank you, Nick Fuentes on his show. And then the question. Tucker has been at cross purposes on Israel with a lot of people for a long time. Here's the headline now. The Heritage foundation, which is a long standing relationship with Tucker, has entered the fray. Heritage foundation head, this is Associated Press headline defends Tucker Carlson for hosting white nationalists with anti Semitic views. Tucker did more than host Fuentes. He also had a conversation with them and he said things about Israel and the head of the Faridge Foundation. It's an extraordinary video, it's a couple minutes long. Said, we're not going to cancel anybody, we're not going to cancel Tucker, we're not going to cancel Fuentes. We're going to continue to have a relationship with Tucker and that people should be able to disagree with Israel. People who are critics of Tucker would say he's gone further than just criticizing Israel. Sean, deconstruct this. Is this, is this an Inside fight for 150 people or is there larger meaning here?
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I think this particular thing is a real inside fight. As you mentioned, Tucker and Heritage have had a relationship for a while. Kevin Roberts, in that video, the head of the Heritage foundation says, I abhor many of the things that Nick Fuentes has said and issues that he is, our positions on, issues that he's espoused. But I believe in an open dialogue and if these guys want to have a conversation, you know, he was like, we're not going to respond to tweets into emails saying cancel Tucker again. This gets back to this fundamental discussion that we've had. You said it the other day, Mark, like, if some rando leftist wants to come on my show, I'd have them. I actually enjoy the conversations and you've made it very clear, like what is wrong? Like if you actually think somebody's really that stupid, then expose the hell out of be like, come on the show. I want you, everyone to see what a nut job you are, how crazy you are, how anti Semitic. But that's what we should do is shine a light on that, not hide it. When you actually deep minimize that person, then someone goes, well, I've never heard of this person or that person. Who are they? I actually believe the opposite, which is if you really think that they're that abhorrent, show everybody how disgusting they are. So that they go, wow, I saw them, they're really bad. And I applaud Kevin for the idea that like this is crazy. Tuck her out of Carl's, Tuck her out of conversation. I haven't listened to the whole thing yet, so I don't know what he actually said or didn't. But having a conversation shouldn't be the basis of canceling anybody.
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Dan.
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Well, I think that, so I don't disagree with you. Except Tucker didn't just have him on and as you say, kind of highlight where he disagrees. And Tucker is one of the largest media personalities in this country. So he's not just a Joe Schmo podcaster with a thousand people. You, the flip side of that is you, by having a sit down, kind of lovely chat in which you're taking these issues and kind of giving them respect and giving them an airing and agreeing with some of this stuff, you're legitimizing it, which again, you're free to do. I think this issue is actually huge in both parties and I they're coming at it from slightly different viewpoints. But I've said this before, I think if you're JD Vance and you're looking at 2028, it is not clear cut. I am firmly with Israel. Like I think he's going to have to walk a line both with younger Republicans, with the Tucker Carlson's of the world. Look at when Charlie Kirk was killed, the conspiracy theories that this was somehow Israel was involved, the Mossad. I mean I think that's crazy, but it's, I think it's a sign of what's to come.
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Well, if you look at the Roberts video, he actually addresses how Heritage handles the issue of Israel, talking about the fact that when our interests are aligned from a national security standpoint, we should stand with them and blah, blah, blah. And I think that's where you're going to see a lot more of the, the Israel thing. The broader point, by the way, is this idea of canceling Tucker. Like he got fired from Fox and then he built an empire like you're not going to like, that's just, it's silly to me.
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Yeah, we're not going to cancel him.
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But people could distance people on the other side. Stop. I mean that's going to be, you.
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Know, okay, short answers for the next two guys, if you would. Arctic Frost. A lot of Republicans on the Hill are and online are outra this investigation. I've tried to have balance on this matter and of course now taking heat from both sides which whatever. Dan, of all the things you've learned about Arctic Frost, what's the thing that either we know happened, or there's a good chance that happened. That it concerns you as someone who cares about individual liberty and abuse of power.
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I don't know, because we never really saw the light of day on this. It got shut down and it never came out. So we don't really know all the things that the government knew.
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But is there anything about it that concerns you at all that you think needs more. More investigation?
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I mean, I would go in the opposite direction, which is there is no doubt that there was a plan to try to disturb the certification of the election with a lot of senior members of government. And that, to me, is horrifying.
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Okay, Sean, what about it? What about you most troubles you? I know the whole thing. Probably there's a.
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There's a tie. One is the depth, the breadth and depth of it. There's 400 and some 50 organizations and individuals, and you question why a good chunk of them, it's like, what did they have to do with anything? Number two, this thing all got populated 15 months after the fact. And it's like, wait a second. If there was a concern about what happened around the election or January six, why did it take an additional 15 months to open up something? Why. Why weren't you looking right then and there?
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All.
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Everything was out in the open then.
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Well, that.
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That.
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That's not true.
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That.
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That.
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That is not true. That that just started 15 months later, and that everything was out in the open. That. That's just. But what.
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The Arctic frost started 15 months after the fact.
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It was part of a broader investigation. As they learned more, they had to launch other things. So many people were coordinating on this batty idea of physically overturning an election.
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All right, hold on. We got a lot of hands up. Thank you both for weighing in. Of all the things that we've learned about in the. In the first 11 months, the administration related to the ethics of the president. The crypto stuff, the ballroom, anything. Anything you want to choose? What's the single one that you think is the most questionable and that you think history will look at least kindly? What's the thing the Trump family or the president's done on the lawfare? Anything you want. What's the thing that he's done that you think history so far will say, boy, that was really out of bands, Dan.
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Oh, I think the crypto stuff is just so blatant.
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Yeah. Okay, John.
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I think the jury's out. I would probably go with Dan on that. Meaning it depends on, like, what comes of it and what ties if it's just the kids doing stuff, I don't know if there's a connection about what was going on. So I think the jury's out on that issue.
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Yeah, I'd go with that one too. Okay, 2028 want to talk about two candidates? Rahm Emanuel is the subject of a very long profile in the Atlantic by Ashley Parker, former Washington Post reporter. This is a classic of the genre. These kind of profiles used to get written all the time, but the one about Rahm is special. Be read by everybody in senior levels of Democratic politics. It's pretty favorable. ROM will probably hate it. Here's the headline Rahm Emanuel for President, question mark. He'd like you to keep an open mind. Here's two paragraphs. On the negative side, there's lots of positive but here are the two paragraphs that kind of frame what the critics say, what the people who are doubtful that Rahm will be a significant candidate. Here's what they say. The case against Rahm Emanuel According to his critics, he's not progressive enough. He's only ideology is winning. He's more of a tactician, less of a principal, though he's long exuded main character energy. He's too short, he claims 5 foot 8 or too old, at least for voters who want to get away from septuagenarian presidents. He'll be 69 on Inauguration Day. 29. He's a problem with black voters stemming from his mayoral mayorship. He's too Jewish. His middle name is Israel. And then one more this is more negative. And again, there's mostly positive in the stories. Emanuel's quote the exact wrong answer to what the Democratic Party needs right now because he prioritizes corporate interests. Says this guy, what's his name? Cenk Younger? I don't know. Co host of the Young Turks. He believes that Emmanuel's power stems from his friendly relationships with the donor class and political reporters who've been ornamenting his reputation for decades. In almost all the profiles I read about how charming Rahm is, unger told me. But from our perspective, all we see is a disastrous ogre, not this charming Shrek guy. Fantastic quote. I don't care much care for that guy in my experience with him. But Dan, we've talked about this so many times here. Did this piece make you think Rahm is a more serious candidate, less serious candidate, or no impact in terms of both nomination and general election?
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C
It makes me think he's more serious just because he wants it. And he's a student of this. He's hungry for it. He wakes up every single day, as you like to say. He's saying, what are the 10 things I need to do today? And I think as a Democrat, you just have to remind yourself there's a difference between X and the real world. And if X and the party base picked winners, Howard Dean would have been a nominee, Bernie Sanders, and then Elizabeth Warren. So at some point, this. The trend may break, but our base, with all its, you know, mighty and fury on X, is not the real world.
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Yeah. So Sean Rahm tried to micromanage the piece, and he, like, told Ashley who to call if she didn't call his recommended people. He said calls back, said, call these people. He also showed her messages between him and Republican members of Congress saying, well, Rahm, you're awesome.
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C
But he doesn't name them. He doesn't name them.
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He doesn't name them. But. But Republicans love Rahm and think Rahm's formidable because they don't really understand the Democratic Party. I would say, Sean, what was your evaluation of this and this piece and Rom's chances?
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D
I mean, it's to your point of. I look at it like the Peggy Noonan equivalent of the piece. It's like to a very certain highfalutin piece of their party, they care about what Peggy Noonan thinks, but the grassroots doesn't. Like, they don't probably even know who she is. I think that's the point. Thank you. There you go.
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E
Thank you.
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D
Case closed. Your Honor, I think to some extent, people care what the Atlantic thinks in the Democratic Party, but I don't get the sense that that's where the base of the party is.
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E
Yeah.
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D
That being said, look, here's the way I look at this. If. If Republicans win, Virginia and New Jersey had a really, really good night. I've always said it has no bearing on the midterm zero, not one way or the other. That just a total media BS narrative that somehow those two states have any indication. But I do think it has an impact on the ethos and the feeling of either side. Right. And Democrats, if they feel like we did in 202004 with George Bush, where people said, I don't know, all I know is I want to win. And that guy says he can win and we can raise the money. And so, sure, let's get behind him. The Democrats get desperate enough where they just said, you know what? He's right. We need to start winning again in order to do any of this stuff. And he can win. So let's group but they have to feel like it's worth winning more than it is over.
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E
Totally agree. Two things not in the story. And again, Ashley's a great reporter, but I was surprised they weren't there. One is, is Obama going to endorse him? We've talked about that here before. And second is money. I believe Rom if Ari does a super pac, if Rom bundles correctly, I don't know how good he'll be at low dollar. But Rom could be amongst the top three in fundraising in total money, if you count the super pac. I was surprised to not see that in the story. All right, Ro Khanna, another person whose presidential prospects people wonder about, will he be formidable to all House candidates? House members of the House typically have not done well running for president. He was on Next up last night and he mentioned something I hadn't thought of, which Politico actually led playbook with today, which is Roe kind of appears to be the only Democrat asked to campaign by Mondami Spanberger, Sheryl, and for Proposition 50. Here's something from Next up with me.
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B
And Congressman Khanna, but I've been so struck by this debate in the Democratic Party, I may be the only person who has campaigned for Abigail Spanberger, was invited by her to campaign in Pennington Gap in Virginia, was invited by Mikey Sherrill to campaign in Westfield and Livingston and doing a rally for Mamdani on Saturday in Queens and have campaigned on no.150. And this idea that the Democratic Party can just pick one of these wings is, in my view, not thoughtful. We lost young voters, we lost rural voters, we lost suburban voters. And guess what? If we want to build a majority party, we've got to bring them all back. And I think we've got to be a big tent party that recognizes the different people are bringing different strengths to the coalition.
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E
All right, I asked you to do so. Sean, what do you think of just to start with, forget his candidacy for a moment. What do you think of the fact that he, that he's been invited in all those places?
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D
I'm actually worried with Dan thinks because look, the way I look at it is if I would have guessed and I just people aside like I, I, I've, I've gotten interacted with Roe. I think he's a sharp guy. He's very thoughtful when he speaks and, and what he adds. But I don't know that if you had told half the people in Alexander, Virginia that Ro Khan is coming that they'd probably say who and, and so I think to a niche Maybe he, it's. But if you're not at, he's not playing at the A level, and that's no disrespect to him. I think it's easy to have somebody come in and campaign for you, that you can be like, hey, pal around with me for the day. And I can say, congressman Ro Khanna is here today. That's very different than, like, raise money and get people excited. So I don't see him at that same tier level. Maybe Dan.
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E
Dan.
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C
I think it's a huge deal because I agree with him and we've talked about this. It's not either or. You need both. You need both an excited base and you need to be able to attract, you know, moderate and independents. Donald Trump has done that very well in, in, in his two winning campaigns. I think that, you know, used to be that if you were from the House, you had no chance because how could you get attention? How could you break through as, you know, number 20 on the dais now with social media, if you're clever and you're creative, I think the seeds are there for him to be a player. Now the question is like if, if Gavin Newsom, his governor, is running, if, if Kamala Harris, you know, is also running, it will be a little bit harder. But don't underestimate that. Mandani and Spanberger and Cheryl both want, both asked him.
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E
Let's go to your questions now. Come on, unmute. Tell us where you're calling from and what's on your mind for Dan and Sean. Ro, go ahead, please. Welcome in, Congressman.
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C
I'm glad I gave him a shout out. Exactly.
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E
Just chatting with you. Go ahead.
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B
It's like that Mark Twain novel, you know, where you want to be a president at your own funeral. And I'm hearing my own commentary about my own A candidacy act. So, Mark, you wanted me to chat about going to Mamdani's route.
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E
I want Dan and Sean to be able to ask you questions, but I'll just say, do you find, if you campaign with Mr. Mondame, does that mean you agree with everything he's ever said? It's kind of a softball question. But just explain how you think about campaigning with someone who you don't agree with everything with Spanberger either, but when people, when you campaign with them, people are going to say, this guy agrees with everything. He's a socialist. Just explain how you, how you think about that, that concept on a substantive level.
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B
We've got to build a big tent. Lincoln did. FDR did, you know fdr, the Tennessee Valley Authority. He did when someone was a rank segregationist and a rank anti Semite. And so, you know, the idea that you can move change with purity tests and you have to agree with everyone just I don't think works. And then to build a broad coalition, I mean, look, Donald Trump was cutting a deal with Robert Kennedy the day the convention was going on, and we refused to answer the guy's call. I mean, I, I don't expect. How you expect to win in a big country that has Indian Americans playing cricket in Fremont, you know, people rooting for the Phillies in Bucks County, Pennsylvania and rural Virginia without thinking that you're going to need different people as part of the party.
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E
Sean.
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D
Well, first of all, I just got to acknowledge you're in California right now, right?
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B
I am in D.C. but I'm headed to New York actually, for the.
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D
Oh, no, no, no. I apologize because I was just going to give you super props for being up at 6:30am in a tie and everything. Yeah, no, I guess the question is, look, here's my bigger issue on logistics. I mean, I'm not asking you to answer your question because obviously that's, that's a problem. But, but don't you think that, like, going to the national level requires an apparatus of serious nature, so that if you or someone of your stature, hypothetically, were to make a decision like this, to go beyond, you'd have to have a serious larger national apparatus that could tap into fundraising, create a surrogate operation, et cetera?
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B
Absolutely. Look, my guess is, and I don't know what I'm going to do, but my guess is that 90% of people who run for president underestimate how hard it is, and they underestimate how difficult it is. By the way, I think that's true of even some of the highest profile governors who run. I think it's a, from what I've heard, it's a, it's a grueling, difficult process. And I think anyone who would do it would have to have a infrastructure and fundraising and logistics to be viable.
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D
It's not just how much, how much do you think the calendar plays into a decision of somebody like you? Do you care whether New Hampshire goes or Nevada goes first?
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B
Well, look, I, first of all, I'm not powerful enough to have any influence over it, but I think that for someone to emerge who's not, who doesn't have significant name id, putting me aside, you would need at least those early states to be states where retail campaigning really mattered, where you didn't you know, for example, if you started in a state for state being Georgia or something where you need a lot of money and name id, I think that would be much tougher than if you started in a small state. I also think for a candidate coming from the outside, you've got to do very, very, very well in an early state. And sometimes people make the mistake. They build out a national apparatus, and it really doesn't matter if you can't have an upset in an early state.
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Dan.
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So, Congressman, first off, congratulations for being, I think, the only person who was invited across all strands. What is it? What common thread runs through all those different places that you've been asked to go and campaign? Like, what is it about you that you think appeals to the Mandani crowd and to Spanberger and Sheryl?
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B
Well, I saw the political article. They were like, well, the good news for Khanna is he's not controversial enough. The bad news is no one cares. There's not enough upside. So. But I think it's candidly, I think it's a willingness to be a bit humble. I mean, for example, Dan Lipinski, who I endorsed against, we had a heated exchange on this program, and just the other day he invited me to come to do a panel with him in D.C. on the Hoover Institute, and I'm happy to do it. So I try to not be judgmental of people. I try to extend grace. I try to say, hey, I have my convictions, but I don't have a monopoly on the truth and, you know, a friendliness of trying to see the best in people. I guess that's, you know, that's why I've tried to build relationships, and I try to do that across the aisle as well. Some people say, oh, is that just a lack of conviction? I think there's a difference between having convictions and having a temperament of, of dogmatism.
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E
Go ahead, Mark.
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D
Do you mind? Can I just ask you one? Issues aside, we've played this out every morning strategically, only because, again, I'm not looking at, like, what, what our side versus your side shut down. Walk me through what you think is a construct of a solution. Right? Like, is it the vote first? Is it, like, we all know where everyone's lines are dug in, but just what do you think is a realistic construct of a deal that would get the government open?
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B
Well, look, I don't understand why we can't do things like Josh Hawley's bill, first of all, while the government is shut down, like extend SNAP benefits, pay the troops, pay federal Workers I would vote for. I would vote for that. And that to me is what's most frustrating is why can't we just get some of the fundamental assistance to people who are working and who rely on food assistance longer term? You know, I think it'll probably some version of at least a vote on the health care tax credit extension. There's probably going to be some guaranteed vote. I hope we get some extension, but the deal will be around that line.
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E
Congressman, just some free advice. I would think better off wearing a tie dye shirt than that suit and tie to the Mondavi rally. Just so make sure you leave some time to change.
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C
Always in a suit. It's already it's true.
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E
Nonetheless, I'd go tie dye. Congressman, thank you for joining us. We'll see you up here in New York over the weekend.
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B
Thank you. Thank you.
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E
Might want to take, you might want to take the train also. Okay. Thank you.
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D
Or drive.
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E
Very grateful to you. Thank you. All right. Thanks for that, Sean. Winner of the week.
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D
My winner of the week is Virginia taxpayers. This was a lot. I look, I think Donald Trump won the week, but it's an obvious one. So I got this and I'm going to show you that part because I cut out everything yesterday in the mail. Every Virginia taxpayer got $200. I'm married, so that's half of that technically is my wife's. But, but you know, look, I have to check Virginia law. But I say that because, look, this is just from a political standpoint where a few days out from an election, people get a thing saying, hey, here's the administration giving you money back. Say what you will about a cynical ploy, that's my who cares? My point is at the end, right, going into 72 hours out of an election, having people get a check in the mail that says here's $200, $400 a couple is a huge boost. So hopefully that gets winsome over the finish line.
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E
Dan, Winner of the week.
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C
My winner of the week is Gavin Newsom. We talked about it earlier this week. I mean, it looks like this proposition is going to win. He the question that we're all trying to game out is how much momentum, additional momentum he is going to generate. If you kind of look at the at the marathon of running for president, the first year is kind of coming to an end here. And I don't think there's any doubt that Gavin Newsom has won this year and is positioned himself going into next year with the head of steam. So for that, he is my Winner this week.
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E
Winner of the week is Putin. Trump and Xi meet. There's no, no apparent effort to do anything to get China to help end the war. Putin wins again. Sean, loser of the week.
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D
Well, I was going to go with the knuckleheads that robbed the Louvre and then got caught because they left their own DNA that just that those are, that's the obvious loser of the week. But I, politically speaking, I went to the people who got pardons from Biden after this whole report came out that comrade, the House Oversight Committee issued. There are serious questions about the legality of the pardons and whether or not when you have a staff secretary saying that we didn't see Biden for six to eight weeks, the question becomes our emails that got put out saying, what do we do? How do we know that he actually approved this? And people saying, we don't. If I were someone who got a Biden pardon, I would be talking to my attorney saying, what do I need to worry about right now?
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C
Dan, Loser of the week, the Argentinean bailout. It is incredibly unpopular, both in the Democratic Party, in the Republican Party and, and with the electorate. I still don't really understand why we did this and the fact that the Trump administration can't really give a good political explanation. I have a feeling we will be hearing a lot more about this in the next 13 months.
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E
Sean, what are you looking for this weekend?
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D
I'm looking at the president's schedule. We talked about what he did this week, trick or treating last night. Tele town hall in Virginia last night. Does he keep going? I mean, honestly, I was like, how does he, at some point he has to collapse. So also, Navy is seven and, oh, one of six remaining undefeated teams. They play North Texas tomorrow. So let's go. Eight, zero, baby.
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E
Damn.
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C
I'm watching Trump on Truth Social because the headlines that are kind of beginning to emerge about China and the deal are not very, you know, they're not 12 out of 10, as he said. And I wonder if he's getting a little uncomfortable on the shutdown. And so does he start ranting this weekend on Truth Social on both. And I would even maybe add Israel to that as the piece in the Middle east continues to be a little wobbly.
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All I want is a game 7 in the world Series and of course, rooting for Dan. All right, one message from a sponsor and then questions from you. Also, please raise your hand if you want in on the conversation. New sponsor, the folks at poncho get $10 off your first order from All Their great classic denim and flannels and new style clothes. Comfortable, versatile, durable for whatever the season brings. Go to ponchooutdoors.com mark for $10 off your first order and free shipping. This stuff is lightweight, comfortable. It fits right. I've been wearing it all week. And the poncho promise is quite clear. It's as clear as if Dan Turntine says, I'll meet you for coffee at 6. He'll be there at 6. Free shipping, free returns, free exchanges to make sure you get the right fit. Poncho stands by every shirt. They'll move to make it right. If you decide you don't like it again, go to gear for the fall. Go to Poncho for every piece. Built for comfort, performance, lasting style. Poncho outdoors.com, get $10 off your first order and free shipping. And when the box pops up. Said how'd you hear about it? Say you heard about it from Ronna or from the morning meeting. Up to you. Thank you for your attention. To that matter, we start with Dean because Dean sends us so many great theme songs, including today's Halloween spooky version to promote the program. Dean, welcome in Trick or treat. Happy Halloween. What's on your mind for Sean and Dan?
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G
Trick or treat. Thank you, Mark. This is actually my first time on the morning meeting. Very quickly, Sean, I blame you for everything that's happening with this administration and I thank you. You took more arrows in the first administration than anyone else. Thank you for allowing this to happen and taking all the injury that you did. I'm curious, Dan, what's the worst part of training for your marathon? And from all of you guys, I'm curious, on a Halloween, what's your favorite candy bar?
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C
Oh, I was going to ask that when you were reading the promo for Lean Everyone to go around. Yeah, I'll say. My favorite candy is Reese's peanut butter cups. Not the little ones. The people who do like the big one with the two big ones like the actual bars of can like hat tip. It's great. I steal the Reese's pieces from the kids when they come home. The worst part is like the dog days in the middle of the 16 week regimen. Just motivating yourself when it's really hot or when it's raining to just keep your, you know, is, is a challenge.
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Sean, favorite candy bar.
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D
I'm staring at Ryan roding right now.
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E
Ryan's coming in in one second.
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D
Trust me, I will go. Dan went Reese's, I think frozen Reese's peanut butter Cups. But a good Twix. I. I could Twix something about you and me both.
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E
Yeah, I'm a Twizzler guy. But if you specifically ask. Candy bar. Frozen Milky Way. Dean, thank you again. Thank you for the songs. As always. Amazing work. With you in the morning. Meeting AI Symphony Orchestra. Ryan, welcome in. We wonder what the kids are doing for Halloween. But then tell us what's nice. Gentlemen. You guys like Halloween, I bet, right?
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Yeah.
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D
What's your favorite candy?
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Reese's Pieces. Yeah. And what, what, what. What are the costumes for tonight, guys?
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H
I'm a shark.
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Yeah, like a blow up shark. And then what are you gonna be for Halloween?
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H
A Spidey.
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Spider Man.
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E
Spider Man. Do you guys got your costumes handy? You want to go run and get them on? Is that possible or is that asking too much? We'd love to see him while dad asked us a question. Go get outfitted. We want to see.
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Yeah, yeah. He'll get on his shark costume.
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E
Okay, awesome.
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I
But thank you for calling on me. I really appreciate you guys. I had a question about kind of the effects of the SNAP thing. So we live in Iowa and our governor's been talking about if the SNAP benefits go away, how they might try to use the surplus that our state has to try to meet the need of that. I wonder if that is going to be more common. I don't know how many states have a surplus. I don't know if any.
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All.
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Any of you.
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3.
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Yeah, it's a great question. It's a great question. I should have said at the top of the show. I meant to. A federal judge in Massachusetts is expected to rule today on the question of SNAP benefits. And that judge may say the government must use surplus funds. And as has been reported by the Associated Press, there may be enough surplus funds to carry all benefits through the. Through the. This throughout November. So maybe that Iowa doesn't need to dip into its fund. Every governor has been having meetings with their senior staff about how to deal with this. Everybody will deal with in a different way. Not every state is as frugal and long planning as Iowa is. So not every state's got a surplus. But many states do. But I think the most likely I'd come based on what this judge has said so far is that even if Congress does enact, they'll be funding for at least a couple weeks. Sean.
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D
Really? See, the thing that I find interesting is that federal judge in Massachusetts telling the government how it must appropriate. My. I can't. First of all, it'll be Immediately appealed.
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E
Yeah.
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D
Cannot tell the federal government how to spend money during a shutdown. I just don't understand how the judiciary has. Thinks it has a rule.
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E
Yeah.
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D
They shot that judge for a reason.
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E
Good point. Good point.
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C
I mean.
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D
No, I mean, I think they shot that judge.
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E
What, what. What has been said is, is that it would be hard for the administration to appeal if a judge says you have the money and spend it. If they're appealing, they already.
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D
True. But the other X factor right now is that the judge. The Supreme Court ruling earlier this year that said they can only rule within that jurisdiction. You'll get a Massachusetts payout. Ryan, I think one of the things I just. Can I ask, how did. How did. We talked about the China meeting and the soybeans. How did that go over in Iowa?
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Farmers are interesting people in that they're very committed to their political party, generally speaking. So I think they are very hesitant to go against the president if they voted for him, even when it's bad. And I think there is a hesitancy about soybeans. I will say in Iowa, from my understanding, corn is much better this year than soybeans. But here's Arthur in his Spider Man.
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E
Amazing. You look. You look spectacular, man.
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I
But I would say I think corn was doing better. So I wonder if, while the soybean market is not particularly great at the moment, although it sounds like maybe that might change, I think farmers are willing to be sort of flexible in that way.
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E
But, Dan, thoughts? Dan thought. Thank you, Ryan. Dan, thoughts on the food stamp thing?
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C
I think every governor, to Mark's point is frantically trying to figure out what can they do. It's the real lives of real people. Governors, mayors, don't have the luxury of just sitting there and blaming people. They. They have to try their best. And I've said this for the last two weeks, the headlines in local news are all about the number of people being impacted.
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E
Yeah. Ryan, you got into the other costume for us before. Oh, my goodness. Brian. Brian, there's a. Ryan, there's a land shark. Land shark.
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C
Don't eat.
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E
That is awesome. Boys, get a lot of good candy. Make sure your parents vet it.
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D
We will.
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E
Have a great Halloween. Ryan, thanks for being part of Two way. Grateful to you. All right, Trent, welcome in. Tell folks who don't know where you are what's on your mind.
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Hey, Trent, Lucas here. This is baby Caroline.
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E
Hi, Caroline. Neil diamond and I call her Sweet Caroline. Just so.
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F
Yeah, exactly. Oh, Songs played regularly, I bet. One question for Dan, one question for Sean. Dan, a Couple years ago, right after the 2022 midterm, NPR released a article and it was saying basically that Democrat Party strategy to fund MAGA candidates in swing states seem to have worked. Can you convince me that the mayor race in New York and the candidate in Maine is not a similar strategy by Democrats to put somebody far left to get more of a moderate crowd and a higher turnout for an establishment candidate? And then for Sean, what's the problem with the North Virginia Republican Party? There's no ground game. There's nobody on the street corners, nobody's come by the House. There's no signs. It just seems non existent.
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E
Dan first, then Sean, thank you. Those are great questions. Trent.
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C
Yeah. Democrats have for the last couple of years meddled in Republican primaries with ads to try to build up the candidate that they thought would be the most unelectable. Missouri. A couple years ago, they had the famous case of that. I would be surprised because that's to divide the Republican Party. I would be surprised if we were doing it to ourselves because it exposes a much bigger fissure, which is, to Ro Khanna's point, you ultimately want everybody together. Like, we can't win national elections with our party at war with itself. So to my knowledge and in my belief, we would not do that type of jiu jitsu against ourselves. The other side. Sure, Sean.
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D
I would just say first on the question as to Dan, I think too much credit sometimes is given to the parties. Like somebody doesn't run and do all this because they get asked to unless it's proactive. Meaning the NRCC might say, hey, Dan, I hear you're thinking about running. Just so you know, we would definitely be willing to introduce you to the right people and do some things entice somebody. Yes, but that's the extent of it. It really just. People give the parties way too much credit when it comes to stuff like that. On the Northern Virginia ground game, I don't. I mean, first of all, there, you know, I've probably been, not literally, I think four times they've had Spamberger or, or Spamberger victory knock on my door trying to convince me to vote for Abigail Spanberger, which kind of makes me question their data model. I haven't had any.
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E
They've seen some of your squishy comments here.
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D
They have, yeah. They might think that I have. There's a shot. We've never had a good ground game in Northern Virginia, to be honest with you, that I'm aware of in 30 years. So I'm not sure why I would have expected anything different. Money is very tight right now for. And that's Winsome is way behind on the money game. The last couple of weeks, a little less so. But you can't turn on a ground game like a spigot.
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E
Trent, you do. You guys doing trick or treating with Caroline? Or maybe not.
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F
Well, she's sick, so we're about to head to the pediatrician's office. She gets to go out, but the two older girls will definitely be out in the neighborhood.
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E
What are. What are their costumes?
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F
We're all going as the Ghostbusters this year.
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C
So the whole. Nice.
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E
So something strange in the neighborhood.
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F
Yeah.
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E
Caroline. Feel. Feel better.
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F
Thank you all.
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E
Have a great, great day. Great weekend. Great Halloween with the girls. All right, let's see. We got time for one more. Carrie, welcome in. Tell folks who don't know where you are what's on your mind for Sean and for Dan.
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D
And please say your last name just because I. I just want to know how you say it.
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H
Well, it's Antonopoulos. I was actually on with you guys a couple of weeks ago. I was trying to change my moniker, so it said Carrie from the Chicago suburbs again. But that. That's. That's where I'm from. I'm in Downers Grove, which is western suburbs of Chicago. So thanks for calling on me, and good to see you guys again. So I'll try to be a little less long winded than I was last time, but I'm hoping you guys can. Can give me some perspective. Actually, I have a question about snap. Something fortunate. You know, I've been fortunate enough to not have spent a lot of time giving a lot of thought to prior to the shutdown. Shutdown has certainly shed a light on it in a way that, you know, I hadn't really thought about it previous to this, but I'm hoping you guys can kind of help me square sort of what I'm seeing and what I'm. What I'm feeling. And on the one hand, of course, you had Nicole earlier this week. She was incredible. I was driving while she was talking and literally grabbed my chest in the car because her testimony was so compelling and so touching. And as an American, I want to support my fellow Americans. Hi, Nicole. I want to support. Support people who. Who need help and who need a leg up. And I think that's exactly what the program is designed to do. On the other hand, I am bombarded online by a couple different categories of videos. Right. One is the purge videos, which your last caller yesterday talked about even putting that aside, videos of people online expressing not gratitude, not humility, you know, not even fear of losing them, but just absolute entitlement to these benefits. And while they're expressing these entitlements, I'm seeing people who have eyelash extensions and nails and Botox and lip injections and hair highlights. And that, to me, as someone who knows what those things cost, it's really frustrating to hear someone express entitlement over losing SNAP benefits when I know what you're spending on your hair and your nails and your face. Taking that even one step further now, I'm starting to see videos of, of people who are admitting they're not even using the SNAP benefits to buy food. They're selling them. Right? They're taking $2500 worth of EBT and selling it for $1200 cash to fund their lifestyle. So help me, help me square this. Is this, Is this the algorithm messing with my brain and trying to fire me up?
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E
Great, great, great framing. Carrie, Stand by a second. Nicole, I brought you in with that. You're raising your hand just because I don't know what if it's. If everything you said is reverberating still in your life. It is in mine. I continue to hear from people every day about how inspirational you were and how important not just for two way, but for the country. What you said was. So I'd love for you to react to what Carrie said and just update us if anything else has happened with you since we last talked.
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J
Yeah, I super appreciate that. I mean, I think that it, the, the ripple keeps rippling. You know, I think that I've heard that feedback from a lot of people and I, I just, I love that that is the message. I told my son and he was like, mom, so many people did a good thing because of you. And I'm like, yeah, I think that is like the truth of it. And I think that when it comes back to it, for me it's about doing something good. And what my intention is when I do it behind doing something. And I've seen plenty of those videos too. I think we can all admit that there's probably waste, fraud and abuse in every government run program. Super open to some type of dojing of snap. But in this moment, it's not a negotiation, Chip. It's. That's something that is happening because we're not. The government isn't open. It's not because we're negotiating SNAP benefits.
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E
Right.
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J
It's a secondary.
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E
So yeah, warn the affiliates we're Going to run a little bit over, Sean.
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D
Yeah, I agree. I mean, I agree with what Nicole's saying, Kerry. I find some of the videos that I've seen and some of the anecdotal evidence about the fraud, the abuse, and to be reprehensible, I also think that when you stop and you realize 42 million in a country of about 300, so between 1/6 and 1/7 of the country is reliant on the government and dependent on the government for food, it is a broader and bigger problem that we're not even addressing. Right. And then there's the fraud piece. But to Nicole's point, you don't need, you don't negotiate with the fire department when the fire's happening. You do it after and say, hey, let's, okay, now that we know, let's look at, you know, the equipment and the wall, you know, like, so right now let's get people the need, the help that they need, right? And then once everything's back open, and this is my constant problem with, with Congress and the same thing with the appropriations problem, they get the done and they go next time we won't let that happen until we do. And, and there we keep kicking the problems down the road. So I, I hope that at some point we can stop and say, okay, how do we go fix that? And that enough people, because that's what they respond to, actually agree with that.
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E
All right, folks might remember Elise works with a food bank in the Silver State. Elise, I hope the answer is yes. Did the two way community come through at all for you?
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H
Yes, absolutely. I called in last week to say that utilization of the social safety net is not partisan, but neither is Americans ability to care for their neighbors. So we had over 90 donations for about five, 90 people donated for about $5,000. So that is incredibly helpful and I was touched by everybody who donated.
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E
All right, thank you. And again, keep going. Even as we hit the deadline here, everybody should continue to find ways to contribute to Elise's organization or in your own community. And ladies, really grateful to all of you for being part of the conversation this week and really honored that you'd come back, share your voices and we'll continue to continue to talk about it and focus more on the real lives of real people than on Congress's inability to get this done. So thanks. Thanks to the three of you. Grateful to you.
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C
Can I just say, every time Nicole comes on, she's more well spoken than the last time. Nicole, there's an authenticity to you. You can't Fake that. Nice job.
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E
Amazing. Thank you all. Sean, what do you have tonight?
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D
Michael Knowles of the Daily Wire testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee on political violence. We have a long discussion about political violence, what to do about it. Plus we talk about Arctic Frost and a lot of those other fun stories tonight at six.
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E
Dan, anything you want to tell us about except stretching, proper stretching techniques and.
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C
Eating a lot of bagels. Not. No, I will. I. Nothing. The kids are going out. They're all excited to trick or treat and just looking forward to the weekend.
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E
All right, a couple of two ways left today and for the end of the week. First, Neil. Neil, Ethan Strauss, random offense. His guest, Amin Elhasan. Uh, I hope I said that right. Uh, former front office executive and a member of, of the basketball illuminati podcast. That's 2pm Eastern time today. Please join Ethan. And then two way tonight is special time tonight because of Halloween, I got some trick or treating to do. So we'll see at 4 o' clock here on the two way platform with coverage of all the day's events and the New York Post. Ricky Schlott will be amongst my guests. New York Post columnist. So join us at 4 o' clock on the two way platform. It'll stream live on YouTube and X regular time at 6 o'. Clock. So please join us and reminder, again next Tuesday night, Ricky, as well as Lydia Moynihan of the New York Post and other two way and New York Post colleagues will be part of our special election night coverage like no other. You'll be part of the conversation just like you are here every day. So please join us starting at 8 o' clock Eastern coverage. And not just of the New York City mayors race, but of New Jersey, of New Virginia and all the races around the country. Please join us for that. And the three of us will be back Monday morning. Dan will be.
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D
So enjoy your extra hour.
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E
Dan will be soaring.
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C
Right.
- [65:16]
E
We get to. We get to fall back and grateful.
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D
We should have touched on that today.
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E
Yeah, great, great. Grateful to everybody for being part of the community. And we will see. The three of us will see you Monday morning. Have a great weekend.
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D
Now, our son's new girlfriend, a former student.
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E
Don't miss anniversary. You know, I used to be afraid of you.
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F
I don't think I am anymore.
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E
Starring Diane Lane and Kyle Chandler.
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C
We need to be careful.
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E
She's trying to obliterate us.
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C
Anniversary Rated R.