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Kamala Harris Book Tour Crashed by Jeering Protesters; Trump Justice Dept. Races to Charge Comey
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A
Our curveball to the producers. Hey, Paul, you got the morning meeting theme song. You got that queued up. You play that. Let's see if you can do it.
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B
Which one?
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A
The. The, you know, the standard one. Anyway, good morning. Welcome, everybody. We'll wait for the theme song. Thank you for being part of the morning meeting. Sean, Dan and I walk you through the day. Various things going on, some. Here we go. And welcome to the morning meeting with Mark and Sean and Dan. If you should think of a question, all you gotta do is raise your hand with a presumption of grace to.
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C
All.
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A
Peace, love and understanding during the call. All right, that's enough of that. Just wanted to get some of our themes introduced into the bloodstream here. Peace, love and understanding is a very tense time in America. And I didn't share this with Sean and Dan, but guys, I received numerous emails from our community members asking you both to be fired. They say you ruined the show. You're so horrible. You're so partisan. And again, I'll just say to everybody, this show is different than other shows. If you don't like what Dan said, you don't like what John said, stay with us, you'll learn.
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D
I need to an apology then, which is I want to state unequivocally, I'm sorry if you're offended that I'm sorry that. That people were offended that I just did the people.
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B
I may be allowed home for Thanksgiving.
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A
I just don't wanna spend my day responding to emails from people saying I can never watch again because Dan is so partisan. I can never watch again cause Sean is so partisan. People just.
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D
That's not what I said. That's not what I said.
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A
Exactly. Understand. Understand what we're doing. Understand what we're doing here. And note that today a Guinness book of world record will be broken by Dan Turntine because Dan is appearing on not one, not two, not three, but four. Two ways. Is that correct? Is it four? Is it five?
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B
That's correct. That is correct.
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A
Today Dan is going to be on with Michael Moynihan. He's going to be on this show. He's going to be on this show. He's going to be on the group chat and he's going to join me on on two way tonight. So, Dan, congratulations. It's possible I've done. It's possible I've done four in a day, so he might be just tying me.
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D
Yeah, you have to. You have to do a fault. If he's going to do in studio. It's a Full turn time.
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A
Yeah. And, and a reminder, want to be part of the Two Way Family, the morning Meeting Club? Do as Sean Spicer does and wear gear from Fairway and Green logos. You got anything on the sleeve of that one, Sean? Negative, negative. Anyway, you can get lots of stuff. Go to Two Way TV Fairway and you can buy all sorts of great golf apparel, including a shirt just like Sean is wearing. And you can, you can get on the sleeve, you can get. Don't put smack in the chat. Conversations like no other. Peace, love and understanding. Sean, tell them once again how they can get a special discount.
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D
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A
Thank you, Sean.
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E
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A
All right, back to the program again. If you're here on the two way platform, please raise your hand if you want to be in on the conversation. If you're watching on YouTube or X, no smack in the chat. Okay, here we go. Gentlemen, the daybook. The President United States. Still doing the foreign policy thing at the White House today. Meeting with the President of Turkey. Everything in theory is closed press. I find it hard to believe there'll be nothing but greets him at 11, meets with him bilat 11:15 lunch. I think they're having Turkish delight for lunch. 11:45 he signs executive orders at 3:30. Again all closed press right now and then meets with the PM of Pakistan, 4:30. So as of now, the president with a full schedule but nothing open press. We shall see if that changes.
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B
We think the Nobel Peace Prize is mentioned today.
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A
Mentioned. It'll come up, Sean. The radio pool is srn, srn, Salem Radio News.
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D
Mark Salem Radio News.
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A
Salem Radio News. A big, a big, big conservative media outlet. Don't know what the vice president's doing. Congress is out. And the job claims came out at 8:30. Here's what CNBC says about those. Pretty good jobless claims tumbled to 218,000, well below estimates despite fears of labor market weakness. Another piece of data that just shows a jumbled picture. We talked about this David Bonson yesterday. There's just, there's pick them. There's data that says the economy is doing great. Data suggests Midland. Data suggests poor. Don't know. Kamala Harris is in Philadelphia tonight, day two of her book tour. And good news for those of you in Philadelphia, maybe less good news for Vice President Harris. Tickets are still available. Put up that graphic. Here you go. This morning. This is a couple hours ago. You want to sit in Mezzanine 4, which looks like a pretty good place to sit. 83 bucks a ticket. Little more. Orchestra B, $101.
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D
Is Blue available or white available?
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A
I think blue's available. There were, I played around. There were a lot of seats available. But.
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B
That'S weird.
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A
Then a little thing that came up that said, well, not the whole section's not available. I think just some seats in those sections. But a little thing popped up on my screen that said act now because a lot of people are on here buying tickets. So we'll see, we'll see how it does when we'll talk about the vice president's book tour and what happened last night in just a moment. But our top story this morning. Dan, you know that's a reference to Garrett Moore, Saturday Night Live. Our top story this morning. Okay, just making sure. Is something that's not getting a lot of coverage. Reuters exclusive. Here it is. I think this is the biggest story in the world because everybody says now that drones are everything. Zelensky says drones are the whole thing in his war. The Pentagon says the future of military. Forget space or sea or ground or air. It's drones or human air. Here's the word is exclusive. Chinese drone experts worked with sanctioned Russian arms maker, sources say. And do we have a paragraph from this? I don't think we do. Anyway, it says that some Chinese drone experts went to Russia and they're collaborating on drones. Sean, am I, how right am I that this is like a massive thing? If the Chinese and the Russians are collaborating on drone technology, it's huge.
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D
I mean, look, this is, this is the new threat. So yeah, I mean, and it just, the coordination thereof is a big deal on both ends. It's going to be a big problem in the seventh fleet. So I mean, I think this is one of those problems that I know that they are on in the, in the, in the Pentagon, but I think that most Americans probably don't realize the full threat that's existing right now in the world when it comes to drone technology.
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A
Dan, I'm no Michael Beschloss, but my historical analysis and analogy would be the space wars of the 60s when the Russians seem to get out in front and the US put a lot behind it. We are collaborating with the Ukrainians who have developed an incredible drone business. But do you, do you share the concern of your co hosts that this is existential?
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B
Yeah, absolutely. Because not only are they working with them to develop drones, I'm sure they're looking at western technology to stop drones, to jam drones, everything else, and they're just, you know, vacuuming up all the data for their own use. And if they were to try to take Taiwan, I have no doubt drones will be the tip of the spear.
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D
You know, we talk about threats, we didn't get to it because of all the news, but this Secret Service threat that was uncovered in New York, where you guys would have lost your cell service access. TikTok for couple hours.
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A
Go ahead.
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D
Yeah, I just, I think that like the threats that we're facing are so different and so prevalent and it's not just state actors, it's non state actors. But like this is the kind of stuff where like they, they could have turned that stuff off while the UN was here. A highly embarrassing, but be a massive, massive threat that would have come our way.
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A
So I brought this up and led with it in part because of the story, Sean, you referenced about the phone, the phone jamming in New York. There's a lot going on in the world and a lot of stories and certainly the fate of a late night comedian is extremely important. But we like to keep the main thing, the main thing. And this is a massive story. All right, I'll be curious to see if people pick it up. Reuters is a weird beast in the media, solar system ecosystem, whatever you want to call it. Like if that were a front page New York Times story, people would be paying a lot more attention. My guess is most of you are hearing about that Reuters story here for the first time, because Reuters is not necessarily part of your morning appetite. But I'll be curious to see where that goes. All right. I don't think this one.
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D
I'm on a low carb breakfast, so I don't do as Reuters understand.
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B
By the way, if the Trump people are trying to break Russia from China, they don't seem to be doing a very good job.
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A
Well, exactly, exactly, exactly. All right, this one won't take us long, I don't think, because I know what Dan already is going to say. Trump in Ukraine. David Sanger, the New York Times, very well sourced guy. There's a Washington Post story along the same lines. There's a Wall Street Journal editorial all basically saying everybody misread what Trump was saying about Ukraine. He was basically washing his hands of Ukraine, saying, okay, you and Europe can try to win the war, but we're done. And we're just rooting you on as opposed to saying we're done because you suck. Here's my question, Dan. The president basically is not putting the ball in Putin's court. He's putting the ball in Europe's court. If Europe doesn't do anything, will will the White House convince John Thune not to move a sanctions bill, or will the Senate be so determined that they'll move it even if the White House.
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B
Says no, Thune will do whatever Trump tells him to do. So I don't. Nothing will move through the Senate.
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A
Okay, yeah, go ahead.
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B
Yeah, I mean, I just, he won't do anything. And I think Trump ping pongs, I think between like washing his hands but not wanting this on his watch. And I think the question is just both you and Sean have said going back to February, Rubio and everyone around Trump does not want to have on their tombstone that they lost Ukraine. And I think the question is, are they resigned to, like, goodbye or are they truly just throwing a little bit of a tantrum to say, Europe, you have to do this.
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A
Sean, if the ball is in Europe's court, do we have any reason to think that Europe's going to cut off themselves from Russian energy, which they've not done for four years?
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D
No, but I do like the fact that we're forcing their hand. And I think more broadly, what Trump has done is said, we'll give you the weapons if you buy them. This is your backyard. You guys need to step up and take responsibility for it. We will Help you. We will support you, but we're not going to lead the effort. And it's time that you got, you know, grew up and left the house on your own. And so we'll give you the weapons, but you have to purchase them. We will help support you, but you have to take the lead. And again, I don't know why this is controversial, the idea that everyone wants the US to do this while they continue to buy Russian oil, gas, and other things, using the swift banking system to take oligarch money, et cetera, and then we're supposed to battle it. So they're going to basically fund Russia on the front end, and then we have to battle them on the back end. That's insane. I think Trump forcing their hand is a smart political move, the same way that he forced it on NATO and the same way that he's forcing it on tariffs.
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B
All right, one interesting thing is if Europe does cut off Russian oil, the price of oil around the world is going to go up because someone's gonna have to provide it from the stockpile that we're using right now.
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D
Also, it's crappy oil, just to be clear. It's a dirty, dirty oil.
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B
I mean, oil's oil, man. The price of gas goes up to $5. See how Americans feel next summer.
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All right, we gotta move on because we got a lot to get to. All right, survey the two of you. Raise your hand if you think prosecutors should look to indict people for political reasons. Raise your hand if you think prosecutors should look. No, no one thinks that. Dan. Serious question. I want a serious answer, thoughtful answer. Would you say that the press is quite interested in covering the concept that President Trump is orchestrating a political indictment of an enemy? Do you say that gets a lot of coverage, that concept? It does. What didn't get a lot of coverage was when Alvin Bragg and Letitia. I mean, what's her name?
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B
Letitia James.
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Letitia James did the same thing. Why did the. Why does the press. Even now. And just to take the Alvin Bragg case, even liberal legal analysts said that was a very weak case, it was very unorthodox case, and some would say the same thing. So why does the press not when they're writing about those indictments, both contemporaneously and now? Why don't they say Donald Trump faced exactly what his enemies are saying he's doing now? Why doesn't the press.
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B
Well, there's one difference there, and we can argue over it, which is that if reports are true, Trump is Trump or people around Trump are overruling the justice department people, the U.S. attorneys that have recommended. There is no. We did the.
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In this case, both James and Bragg ran for office saying we're going to get Trump, but they were the ultimate decision makers. You're citing a difference, which is the executive, it seems to be ordering the prosecutors to do something and they're firing.
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B
Those who don't, who won't.
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A
Well, but this isn't. But in the case of at least one of the two, in the case of Brad, there were people who recommended against the indictment.
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D
The previous DA said no.
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B
Right. So I mean, look, what you're doing is.
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A
But Dan, I'm asking why the press does not was covers one extensively. They frame the whole thing that way that this whole thing is not about. There's no interest in whether Comey broke the law. I've seen not a single thing in the coverage in the last 24 hours did Comey break the law. All the coverage is is Trump is ordering this. So I'm asking you, why did the press never frame the two indictments in New York of Trump that way? Why not?
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B
I think it depends which press you read to Conservative press. It was the New York Times.
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A
Let's take the New York Times.
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B
Well, but again, so I agree with you and I have said that those prosecutions were wrong.
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A
Agree with me about what? I'm asking. I didn't say anything. Why did the press not cover it that way?
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B
Again, conservative press covered in New York Times.
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A
I'm asking New York Times. Specifically New York Times. I've read every story in the New York Times about those two prosecutions. I've never read even a reference to the fact that these prosecutors ran for office.
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B
Oh, they did. In retrospect, yeah. No, they did. Look, it blew up.
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A
All right, all right. Let's talk about Comey.
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B
I mean, let's talk about Comey. And I need to say it because it goes to Kimmel, goes to everything else. We're living in alternate universes. Conservative press covers what conservative press wants and frames it how they want. And progressive media covers what they want.
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A
But the New York Times does claims it's not progressive media claims it's fair media, but it's not.
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B
We all know it. I mean, that's a farce.
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A
All right, all right. Sorry to spend so much time on that. But the reason I do is cuz Comey is a weird figure. He is not beloved by the right. If it weren't for Comey, Donald Trump would not be president. New York Times headline, US Attorney races to present case against Comey. It remains to be seen whether a career prosecutor would be willing to present a case against to a grand jury or whether jurors would bring an indictment. So this hangs in the balance. The statute of limitations on the charge about lying to Congress runs out on Tuesday. And as the headline in the New York Times makes clear, it's possible that the new U.S. attorney could say indict and a career prosecutor would say, I'm not going to. I'm not just not going to do it. And they probably eventually find someone who would. And it's possible that the grand jury would refuse. But my question is this. What do we know about whether Comey broke the law or not? Plausibly, like, do either of you know anything about the facts? What did he lie to Congress?
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B
Well, the allegation is that he lied to Congress.
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A
About What? About what?
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B
Of 21. About whether he leaked classified information. I believe from what I've read, that is the allegation. Did he lie to Congress?
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A
Yeah. And the inspector general. Inspector general is lauded by Democrats as the arbiters of good and justice. Already said that Comey did it.
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B
Well, but here's the thing, Mark, that you just have to put on the table. It is being reported that the U.S. attorney looked into it, did not find a case. It is also being reported that.
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D
No, no, no, it's not. Didn't say find a case. He said it was apparently weak.
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B
Okay. And Pam Bondi apparently has said to the president also she believes this is very weak. What is new is the idea then of saying, I don't care. You guys are out. Find me somebody who's going to bring it again. Letitia James and Alvin Bragg ran. You can say okay. It's crazy. The voters put them in on that platform. Fine, that's a thing. But what seems to be a new line is just outright, I'm going to fire people until somebody I find somebody who brings what I want to happen.
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A
Is true. But so is running and saying I'm going to indict somebody before.
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B
So. So it's a lawfare for. So lawfare for revenge is okay, we're saying.
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A
No, I'm saying neither is okay. I'm saying I haven't heard you say.
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B
This is not okay.
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A
It's not okay. I'm making it clear it's not okay. It's outrageous. It truly is one of the and.
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B
Bonkers thing I've ever heard.
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A
Yes. Except that Comey is a habitual liar for self interest. So I wouldn't be surprised if he did commit a crime. And I don't know why those people refused.
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D
To your point, the inspector general, who has already put on the table that he did. He did do things. So that's. That is a true statement. The question is it is a legal decision about whether or not. And again, all of the reporting which we have not heard, the former Now Eastern District U.S. attorney of Virginia, nor have we heard from Pam. Bonnie, We've heard what the New York Times and others say they said.
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A
Correct.
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But which again. But even if you accept their reporting, it says that the case was weak, not that he's not guilty, not that he didn't do it. They just weren't sure that they could get a guilty verdict, which is a very different threshold, I still think. And by the way, total dorky note. I think that's the first time that Haberman and Glenn Thrush have actually teamed back up. Really?
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A
Yep. I'm a student of both bylines. They've been dead before.
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D
No, no, no. Did they. They've. But double byline since Glenn.
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Yes, Glenn's been back for a long time, Sean.
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D
I, I know that.
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A
I. Yeah, they double bylined. Double. They are, I promise. Okay, exit question.
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D
Can I justice. Do we think, just to be clear, because I want to put a pin in this, do we think before the statute deadline occurs, Comey will be indicted?
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A
Well, that's one of the two exit questions. Here we go, exit questions. Double header. Will Comey be indicted and will he plead guilty or be convicted? Either one. Will he or will he be acquitted? Is the. Is what I'm saying holding out. Will he be indicted and will he either be convicted or acquitted? Yes. No questions, Sean. Indicted.
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D
Indicted. 100%, Dan.
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B
Yes, 100%. Agree with you.
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A
All right. And will he either be acquitted or convicted as opposed to either plead guilty or convicted as opposed to acquitted? Will he be.
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D
So this is where the question comes in. What charge is. Is brought against him?
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A
We don't know. You're predicting. You're predicting the void.
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D
I know that matters.
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A
Well, what's your prediction? Will there be a guilty verdict or plea?
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D
Yes. At a misdemeanor level?
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B
Dan, I don't know. I don't know enough about this yet.
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A
All right, all right. Politico reported and everybody's matched.
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D
If you're doing full, McLaughlin, you have to go.
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A
The correct answer is, oh, indicted and acquitted at trial. Okay. And the left still won't like him.
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B
And the judge will get impeached.
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A
Yes. Politico, White House agencies prepare mass firings for a potential shutdown. This is one of the cards the White House is playing in the shutdown wars. There's still no obvious solution to what's going to happen, although Jeanne Shaheen and other Democrats and some Republican senators are saying if you promise a future vote on the Obamacare subsidies, you could get 10 Democratic senators. So there may not be a shutdown. There may be. This is much to do about nothing but this threat of firings. Dan, how much does the threat of firing strengthen, if at all? The Democrats, the Republicans hand strengthens a lot.
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B
I mean, they were worried about this in March, and they should be. I mean, you're giving the green light to Russ Voight to do what he wanted to do, and they're not going to lose any sleep over it. And politically, you're now again defending the bureaucracy, and that's a tough place to be.
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A
Sean, before you answer, can you say Russ Voight fast 10 times?
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D
No.
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B
Did I say it wrong?
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A
No, no, you didn't say it wrong. It just. It's a lot like toy boat. It's just hard to do. Vote Russ.
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D
Vote right, Russ. Vote Russ. Vote Russ. Vote Russ. Vote Russ. Vote. Rest. Vote. Rest.
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A
Vote.
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B
That's a progressive nightmare right there.
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A
Make it to 10. All right, Sean, is Dan's analysis correct?
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D
I'll just say one word. Checkmate. Because I think that is in chess world one. But what they did was brilliant because Schumer thought that he had all the cars. I mean, Dan's been saying this for weeks. He has no idea what he's dealing with. And so he's basically forcing Democrats like Mark Warner and Jim Kaine now from Virginia, Jean Jaheim mentioned, obviously New Hampshire, not as big of a deal, but that they're suddenly going to have to recognize that, that if they do this, they're giving the green light to a lot of their constituents who are federal employees who are going to go nuts. And I think. Anyway, I'm just. I think this was a brilliant chess move that in a game that normally is normally played at the checkers level, this was brilliant. And it put them on notice that if you don't want to just keep the government open, we'll take advantage of it.
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A
All right. The Democratic Party gubernatorial candidates in Virginia and New Jersey both looked to be cruising to election in open seats, and both were touted as potential presidential candidates in 2028, the kind of more moderate national security credentialed figures who the party says they need as front and center. Dan reported several weeks ago that the New Jersey candidate was thinking of running for president after her expected victory. Dan, what are the names of your two candidates?
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B
Nikki Sherrill and Abigail Spanberger.
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A
Yeah, and they're friends. And again, they're both have national security credentials. The Virginia race still looks pretty safe for the Democrats, but oh, my goodness. And this is not out of the blue because poll after poll has showed this race tightening. Here's a new poll I have said.
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B
Since the spring, keep an eye on New Jersey.
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A
Emerson poll in New Jersey shows the race tied between the Republican Mickey Sherrill, who if she loses this race, will probably not be running for president in 2028, I would guess. And Jack. How do you pronounce Jack's name?
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D
Citarelli.
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A
Citarelli. Here is Mr. Citarelli on cable news CNBC Squawk Box celebrating 107.
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B
But I'm not shocked one bit by that poll. It's very consistent what we've seen in internal polling for weeks and it's very consistent with what I see up and down the state. In the last five weeks alone, three Democratic mayors have even endorsed my candidacy. People want change.
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A
Gentlemen. I make him the favorite in the race right now. I think he's got momentum. He's a Jersey guy. He did very well out of the blue previously in a statewide race. And both these Democratic candidates, very credentialed people. Both have proven to be not particularly good candidates under pressure. Both have stumbled. Both have stumbled, John. And then Dan.
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D
I would just say that I feel very confident if you look at the cross tab. First of all, I'm not a big believer in the Emerson poll, but look at the crosstabs of where she's falling short right now. These are areas where post this revival post Charlie Kirk, she is going to have a problem with young men and Maha women. I think the same thing. Virginia. I actually think we're going to pull out both races, but I think that Jack is going to just take that clip. Paul, make sure you get Mark shaking. We will play it the day after the election.
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B
For those on the podcast, Marcus shaking his head at John.
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A
Yep.
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D
So I feel, I mean, Jack to me is probably going to pull this out a lot bigger than we thought. I think we'll pull it over the finish line in Virginia, but the momentum right now is shifting in both races significantly, probably more so in New Jersey than Virginia. But I do feel very good when we look at some of the early voting numbers in Virginia. It's still early, but I feel very good. And the issue with Winsome, by the way, is she just needs more money. The rga. The Republican governor says she came in the other day. She's being badly outspent. But I think that when she does respond, it's strong. And to your point about Abigail Spamberger is running the Biden basement campaign of trying to hide and stay away from folks. And I just don't think it's gonna work.
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A
Dan, what has happened to Sheryl and Spanberger? They both were touted as great political athletes and my Twitter feeds filled regularly with them doing interviews and other public appearances where they're just, they're not very sure footed.
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B
No. And I think they've struggled. Like Spanberger was primarily anti Trump and anti the Doge cuts. And I think Mickey, Sheryl just kind of tried to put her head down and not make a mistake here. And I think that they both kind of. I've said this for months to keep an eye on New Jersey. I think the dynamics here are here being New Jersey are a little bit different. I think the state is trending a little more closer to Pennsylvania than New York in terms of the kind of makeup it's middle class suburban people are frustrated with property taxes and kind of Democrats have owned the state for so long now. I do think what I'm going to be curious about is do Democrats rush money into one or both? So Republicans have done it because I think they had the money. And it's like you only have two places. Do you start seeing surrogates show up and who's willing to come? Like, does Obama hit the trail? Does Bill Clinton hit the trail?
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A
Yes.
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B
Are certain people welcome? Do you see outside third parties now pump in 5, 10, 15, $20 million in both in one. What do you do? And that'll be a tell about whether they're seeing the same data.
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D
And I will say there's two things. One is Virginia has no campaign finance lim number one. Number two, the RGA can take unlimited or both parties, the RGA and the DGA can take soft money. That's a big help. To your point, Dan, there's a lot more money that can flow in. But to your surrogate point, I asked the president this in the Oval Office the other day. Would you or will you do you plan to campaign for the Republican ticket? He did not give. There's some there. Obviously not a. Not a strong relationship.
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B
I could see Trump showing up in New Jersey.
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A
Not a strong relationship with Winsome Sears. Yes. Sean, let's hear your New Jersey robocall by Donald Trump. Let's hear that.
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D
Hey, New Jersey, it's your favorite president, Donald Trump, Jack Citarelli, who will make a great governor, unlike your current governor, who's horrible. And this woman who's taking a lot of money making money in office. Vote for Jack.
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A
There you go.
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B
You know what, though?
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A
They'll be robocalls. Yeah.
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B
If Trump were to come, I think, to New Jersey, it would completely fire up Republicans. Right. Fire Cinderella. Cheryl would make it all about Trump.
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A
That's why I think that's why it's.
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B
Going to Citarelli's advantage.
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A
Well, maybe, but that's why Robo calls rather than an appearance.
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B
I'll be curious.
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A
Yeah. But I can't believe he got it like we got it.
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D
We got to go to Virginia. He did it for Glenn.
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A
We got to go here. Just I'm not going to play sound because I want to get through these last three topics real quick. Or just two. Actually, we'll skip Moment of National Crisis because it could take an hour.
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B
It's ongoing. It will happen.
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A
Yeah, exactly. Kamala Harris was protested last night at her New York events by pro Palestinian protesters. She handled the hecklers, sort of. Scott Besant, I recommend you go watch him on Maria Bartiroma where he just laid into Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg. It was quite something. We won't play that last night. So there's this national tour that Charlie Kirk was supposed to do that he's not doing because he's been assassinated. And people on his behalf are doing some of these events. And last night Megyn Kelly and Glenn Youngkin did an event in Virginia. If you're interested in that dynamic, I recommend that video to you. And just to double back on Harris, we've seen stories now criticizing the book tour, her performance, some scathing stuff. What we haven't seen is the Bidens, including Hunter Biden, come at her. And I think if the Bidens read the full book, they'll see there's even more in there that would make them unhappy. Jill Biden 116, please. Joe Biden was supposed to do an event this Saturday at in at the Kaiser Permanente arena in Santa Cruz, and it was canceled, no reason given. Dan, are the Bidens going to come back at Kamala Harris for attacking them pretty frontally in the book?
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B
Yes. I think the question is, do they do it now or do they wait for their own books and which, don't forget, are coming out? Both of them have Joe and Jill and build up around that and start dropping tidbits and Obviously, they're going to do a book tour either separately or together. So I think, strategically, why fire all those shots now? Let it build your books.
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D
Totally agree. In fact, if their publisher smart, they're grabbing them and saying, please don't talk.
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A
Yeah, interesting. All right. I still predict they're coming at her because I bet they haven't read the book yet, but, man. Dan, have you finished the book?
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B
No, I had to go do a personal thing yesterday, so I'm hoping to finish it today.
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D
Is that pictures?
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B
It does. It does.
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A
It does have pictures, yeah. All right, we're gonna get to your question in a moment. In one minute. If you want to be in on the conversation and you're here on the two way platform, please raise your hand. We'd love to hear from new people. So if you've never raised your hand, today'd be a good day to do it. But before that, a word from our sponsor, CB Distillery. Having trouble sleeping? Dan never has trouble sleeping, but most.
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B
Of us, sure I do.
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A
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D
I think the promo code for that is Mark.
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A
No, I'm told it's two way. Okay. For this program. Dan, do you know how to spell distillery?
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B
I think so, yeah.
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A
Go ahead, give it a try.
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B
D, I, S, T, I, L, L, E, R, Y.
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A
Correct. Yeah.
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D
You have to say word at the end. You have to say distillery.
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A
Do I have the promo code wrong? Now Sean's got me wondering. I'm just reading what I'm. What's put in front of me. I think there's different promo codes for different shows, so they can always remind.
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B
Me of Ron Burgundy.
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A
All right. Yeah. All right. No one's Correcting me. So I'm assuming I'm right.
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C
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C
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A
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B
Are you, are you playing me off?
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C
That's what's happening, right?
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B
Okay, give it a try.
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A
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B
Oh.
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A
Huh. Huh. Somebody. Michael Flanagan. That's, you know, except for maybe Chancio Gardner. Probably the best Irish name I can imagine. Mr. Flanagan, welcome in, sir.
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F
This is great, Mark. I've been listening to the show on YouTube since the beginning. This is the first time that I'm on Zoom and you picked me, so I'm very happy.
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A
That's because, that's because we gravitate towards the Irish. Welcome in.
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D
By the way, since you brought it up, Mark, today at noon, the Irish Embassy is opening the chancellery for the first time in D.C. big deal for us Irish. I don't know if the ambassador wanted me to say that, but today at noon.
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A
All right, Mr. Flanagan, tell us where you are. What's on your mind for Sean and Dan?
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F
I live in New Jersey, but I grew up in what was referred to as the 51st state, D.C. western Massachusetts. We get no representation there at all.
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A
Yeah, you make it.
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D
You used to.
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A
Used to. We're, we're in Western Mass, West Springfield. West Springfield.
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F
But I've been in Jersey now for 35 years. So.
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A
Yeah. Which accent, which accent can you do better?
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F
That's the problem. We don't have an accent in the Western Mass. We might as well be from Chicago.
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A
Yeah. Well, welcome in. We're glad to have you.
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D
Albany of.
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A
Thank you for joining. Eager to hear what's on. Eager to hear what's on your mind.
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G
So on.
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F
On the Jersey race, I think what's really interesting is, Mikey, Cheryl had probably the worst debate ever. So you're using a lot of that on there. And then even better, she went on Charlemagne the God, and he asked her about all the money that she's made since she's been in the house and she couldn't even answer it. So that's going to be a huge ad going Forward. You know, the question I had, the reason that I actually came on was, Dan, those two tweets that you had today, the one on the race and then the one that I agree with you on, the Clintons, you know, like, have been raked over the coals completely on a lot of things. But I think what's missing from the conversation is the proportionality of it. You know, it's Fox after the Clintons, it's all of the rest of the media against the Republicans. And I think that that's just the nuance that's. That's missing that has so many people upset right now.
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B
Well, I think, of course, it's a different era. The 90s were a different time than they were today. And even when she ran in 16 and she ran in eight, in fairness to them, it was not just one cable news channel. The number of outside entities whose sole mission was to destroy them. I mean, it's been well documented now, right?
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D
The.
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B
The amount of money that went into all of these groups that ran through the shadows, that fed stuff out was. Was long. And the whole idea was to get them. I mean, it was to impeach them, to get her to put sticks in the spoke of the wheel. I mean, even go back to Benghazi When Kevin McCarthy went on TV and said, we are trying to stop her presidential campaign, that's all they were trying to do. So, I mean, to some extent, I roll my eyes at this idea that, like, oh, my gosh, this is so unfair and unprecedented. And it's like, no, it's not. Just not, but doesn't mean it's right. And again, we paid, I think Republicans paid a price in 98 for going after Bill Clinton. Right. The public had just got fed up with it. And we paid a price in 2024 because we made Trump stronger, because the public said, this is ridiculous.
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D
I gotta say that the Charlemagne interview with her on, and I hope that the Citrelli people and the RTA just jam it down. She's asked about how her and he did a phenomenal job, by the way. You referenced that debate of bringing it up, where basically her net worth has increased massively. She sits on the Armed Services Committee. She has been trading defense stocks. And when Charlemagne said, hey, your net worth went, and I don't have the numbers right, but he said something like, you know, you. When you went to Congress, you were worth a million dollars. You're worth now, you know, 26 million or whatever the number was. And she said, really? I didn't know that And I not to. This isn't sound like a name drop thing, but I actually was having the conversation with Charlemagne and he said to me, I looked at her and I said, how do you not know that your net worth increased that much? And she's like, I'll have to look into it. If I find $0.26 in the couch, I call my family and I'm like, guys, you're never gonna guess what I found. The idea that your net worth increased millions of dollars and you didn't know, really just either you're that out of touch or you're covering it up really bad. And I hope they jam that down her throat, because I think most people in New Jersey would be highly offended by that.
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A
Does anybody know when the next debate is?
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D
Is there another one? I know in Virginia we only got one, and I think that that's been the new move. Especially those two women are doing a really good job of playing the Biden basement strategy of hiding and not. Not do anything.
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A
Michael, what were you going to say?
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F
I. I actually fell off my chair when she was mentioned on the beginning of the show as a presidential candidate because she's been such a bad candidate. And I get inundated with the ads on both sides. And all her ads are just the traditional, you know, like, you know, like we're gonna, you know, like, give tax cuts to the rich and all this other stuff. It's just boilerplate to like, Dan's point. She's trying to play it really safe, hoping that, you know, she can hold on. But, you know, like right now, I think it's pretty dubious.
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B
I think she thought the anti Trump mood would kind of carry her. And it reminds me a little Kathleen Kennedy Townsend.
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A
Yeah. And the blueness of her state. Michael, Michael, when you make a mistake. The next debate is October 8th. There is another New Jersey debate. Michael, when you make a mistake, do you tend to admit it or try to gloss it over or.
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D
Paula Kimmel.
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F
I usually try to admit it just because I make so many of them. People call me out if I try to gloss it over.
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A
Yeah, all right, you know what? Arthur Fonzarelli always had trouble with saying it. I made a.
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D
Beyond being the right thing to do. It actually, tactically is. Is a lot better.
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A
Sean was right. The CB distillery code is. Mark, I didn't. I didn't make it up. I was reading right from what was in front of me. But if you're going to cbdistillery.com and you want the discount, use the code.
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G
Mark.
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A
It Was Mark yesterday.
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D
You know what? I can't dunk a ball, but I.
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A
Know I was wrong. Michael, thank you for being here. Please come back. Gregory, keep us updated on the race.
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B
And Michael, I'll just say it wasn't my opinion she wanted to run for president. It happens to be someone who is advising her who said we're thinking of running for bread.
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A
Yeah, yeah. After Dan reported that, I asked around and he was absolutely right, by the way.
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D
I will say since I can speak only to the Virginia one, the spam burger team has been to my house three times and I'm getting fed digital ads. If they think that there's a shot at winning me, me. Keep going, baby. I love the fact that they're spending money trying to win me over.
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A
Dylan. Dylan, welcome in. Are you new to the program too?
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C
I'm a first time hand raiser, but I listen every morning.
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A
And what made you today and where are you located?
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C
Well, you, you brought up what has in the past been a professional expertise of mine and I've written a bit about it, which is drone warfare. So I was Air Force UA UAV pilot for about 10 years. So everything I say, the disclaimer of these are my views and not that of the DoD or the United States Air Force supply. But I do think it's a, it's a huge national security concern on both sides.
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A
Right.
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C
We saw and we kind of gloss over this, but not only are the Russians using drones really effectively, but the Ukrainians took out anywhere from a quarter to a third of the strategic bombing capability of the, the Russians. Right. And.
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A
Yep.
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C
So I think when you kind of consider the way that they orchestrated that attack, homeland defense for the United States is a major concern because they essentially loaded up a bunch of pallet trucks with UAVs or UASs, rather, drove them into, into Russia, unloaded them and then they targeted all those bombers on the airway or on the Runway rather. So that's a kind of pervasive, as Sean said, this is a pervasive threat. It's not just a threat from a military standpoint. It's a threat to, you know, to centers of gravity here in the homeland. It's a, and it's one that is really, really challenging to defend against. But I do take issue, Mark, with your, with your one point, which was that this is a more dangerous threat than space. This is, this is a part of a kill web. But I think that, you know, and for it to get a little academic, a kill chain. Right. If one component of the chain breaks, then the whole. The whole effort from a military standpoint breaks down. But a kill web, lots of chains, lots of links.
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A
I just, Just to be clear, I didn't mean to suggest it was more dangerous in space. It's more immediately a focus. Yeah. And. And it's. And it's going to be used more regular than space. Right. Space is going to not be at the same threshold as nuclear, which is people will be more willing to use space. But it's closer, in my view, to nuclear than. Than it is to drones. Right. Drones. Now, nobody sees any limits. They can be used anytime. No one's done space yet. And I think people are going to think twice before the first time they do it. So the potential for space is. Is overwhelming. But again, it's a practical matter, like Taiwan, as Dan said, that. That's what I meant to say.
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B
No, it's one of those things, too, where we always thought we were safe as a country because we have two oceans. Drones would potentially limit that. I mean, the ability to hit in the United States anywhere becomes much easier with drones.
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C
It does, yeah. And I think that the differentiator here is that, you know, again, that is a concern. It, you know, increases the aperture from military targets to, you know, civil targets and centers of gravity from government, but also, you know, in coordination with an attack from space or electronic warfare. Right. You're talking about an altering of our way of life. So, I mean, there is the Chinese and the Russians working together in any capacity is scary, but seeing the investment that the Chinese are putting into their space program and now this collaboration between the two nations on drone capabilities, I mean, we. We live in a really scary world. And I think that we get a lot of focus domestically, as we should, but I think we shouldn't keep our eye off the ball either, which is, I guess, what I was jumping in here to. To say all that.
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A
Thank you for that, Dylan.
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C
Credentialing I threw out there, but no, all good.
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A
All good, important information, Sean.
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D
I just want to thank you for referring to him. Finally. My studies at the War College on Clausewitz finally came through. By repeatedly saying center of gravity, I felt like I knew I read the book for a reason, and Dylan just reminded me why Clausewitz was such a great military thinker. So I appreciate you kicking that into my brain this morning.
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B
Dan, is there anything, Dylan, that you're. That you think is not half that the United States is not doing? I mean, obviously there's many things we could do, but. But is there a macro item that you think, hey, we're not paying attention to this or we should be doing, oh, you're muted.
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A
Oh, sorry, unmute.
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C
I think that, I mean, I think it's an education piece, right? I think it's less. I think our, you know, our acquirers and our, you know, strategic leaders in the military understand what the threat environment looks like. I think it's a. How do we, how do we convey the threat in a way that we don't want to scare, you know, scare people necessarily, but we also want them to be aware and understand that it. There are a lot of risks out there and that the way we spend money, the way we are doing our acquisition, I mean, there's a lot of efforts ongoing to streamline those processes because they are kind of archaic, they take too long, things cost too much money, they are behind schedule. Those are all like, when you kind of frame all of this within the threat environment that we face, it's really more. So how do, how do we make the American people aware of how we can tackle some of these big challenges so that we don't ever actually have to face them directly?
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D
Tell me if I'm wrong, but I actually pulling the string off of where you're going, I think it's sort of like social media technology. And it's not just the American people, it's leaders in Congress. They want to build large platforms, you know, ships, they want to build planes. And drones may not be as sexy and create as many jobs, but at the end of the day, that's where warfare is going. It's just not as attractive for a lot of members of Congress and frankly, many of them don't get it. So the question is, are we evolving quick enough in terms of what we're doing defense wise to be ready for the threats that we're going to face? And I would argue that the answer to that is pretty much no.
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C
Yeah, right now it's no. But that can, that can change. And I think again, drones are a part of the future. They are not the future.
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D
Right.
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C
We need to look at this holistically. But they are a scary part. And so to your point, we're not, we are not meeting the challenges of the moment. We need to, we need to get in shape.
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A
So, Dylan, thank you for coming on, sharing your expertise and for being part of two way. Grateful to you.
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C
Thank you.
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A
All right, Hunter, welcome in. Tell folks who don't know where you are what's on your mind for the group there.
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B
I'm Hunter calling from downtown Manhattan. I have a question for you all regarding the New York City mayoral election. I live Washington Square park, and I have not seen a single street sign or poster for any of the candidates. And I was wondering if you guys see. Because it's over.
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A
No. I don't know. Dan. Dan, Is it possible they're not legal in New York?
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B
I was just gonna say. I, I don't think. I mean, you can put it on a street pole.
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D
So that's where you guys in New York draw the line.
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A
Yeah, I mean, I mean, the rats would just eat them. I don't know. I don't. I don't. I think they must be illegal in New York because I've never seen a political.
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B
Put them on their balconies like signs. Yeah, in the way.
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A
I've never seen one. Yeah.
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B
My question was if you guys thought or you see Cuomo making any traction on Donnie and whatever happened with Adams becoming.
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A
We're in the midst of a not very widely covered but real spate of rumors that Adams is in fact getting out. So I don't know if he is or not, but there's talk of him still getting out. They're not getting Curtis out. And, and there's no indication the data that Cuomo can win in a three way if Curtis stays in. So even if Adams gets out. And the other thing is, Mondomini's number in the four way has moved up. Dan. Dan's previous position notwithstanding, he does not have a ceiling of 42. He's more at 45 or 46. And if he's at 45 or 46, he's not going to lose a two way, a three way or a four way, and he may not even lose a two way. So right now, we'll do our percentages for you, Hunter. Sean, what's percent chance that Mondami wins?
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D
100.
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A
100. Dan?
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B
85.
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A
Now, remember, we still haven't had the debates. There are two debates coming up, and I, and I. And the negative ads have just started, so I put it at about 80, 89. But, but, but only because the uncertainty about negative ads in the debate.
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B
And I will say this, Madani's not had a great few weeks. I mean, it hasn't mattered.
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A
But I never, I never read the chat, but I see in a glance that Matthew Bartlett says it's over. I'm telling you guys, it is not over. It's not over because. Because he is under pressure. The media is finally covering him in a tough way. Most people aren't paying attention to what's going on yet and he's not been tested.
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G
Just.
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A
I don't say it's over till the debate.
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B
I agree with you completely.
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A
Don't say it's over till the debate.
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D
I haven't seen a significant debate performance in any, anything, even a presidential that I'm trying to think of.
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B
We just talked about New Jersey.
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A
It can happen.
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D
No, that, that, that's, that's the, the debate isn't what I think it did.
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G
It.
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D
He hammered, but that's also been backed up.
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A
It'd be part of it. But like, for instance, for instance, he, he, some of his positions that are to the left of the electorate are now getting attention and just some people haven't paid attention.
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B
And he's not defending them. He's trying to backpedal and find middle ground, which is causing the press to kind of pounce in on him a little bit because he's. Again, Mark, to your point, he's not had a great few weeks.
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A
Yeah. Hunter, thank you. Appreciate it. All right, guys, exit, exit questions. Mandatory predictions. Schumer and Jeffries endorse. Not endorse Dan Schumer.
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B
Now, Sean, I'm going to say, yeah.
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D
He'S got to do something. He has to get that side of his base.
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A
He will endorse Dan Jeffries. Yes, Sean.
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D
Yeah, why not?
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A
I think Schumer, yes. Jeffries, no.
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B
I think Schumer no. Because he's got, he, he knows he's going down anyway, so he's not going to bother. And I think Jeffries looks at being the speaker and says, I need the bass.
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A
Andrew, tell us about the origins of your last name.
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G
Oh, I was just thinking about that. So with Michael, like, I'm obviously not from, originally from America, but so if I grew up in England, so my dad's Irish.
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A
Is that an Irish name?
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G
It's an Irish name. It's from a small town and so, like, just two hours from Galway, Roscommon. So, like very small town. So.
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A
Yeah. And does it rhyme with, does it rhyme with Salty?
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G
That was pretty much my nickname growing up.
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A
Yeah, I figured, I figured. It's a fabulous name. Andrew Talty.
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G
I appreciate that. And I guess, like, my, my mom is from, originally from Ohio, so I have the, the American connection. So small town in Ireland to a small town in Ohio.
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B
Where do you live? So many Americans.
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A
Where do you live now?
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G
I'm in Durham, North Carolina, which I never thought growing up I would be in Durham, North Carolina, but I absolutely love it. So I'm very happy here.
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A
Do you Refer to three or more people as all y'. All.
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G
I'm starting to like pick up the the twang. I started out migrating down from Massachusetts to New York to D.C. and now I'm in North Carolina, which all you.
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B
Go to a Duke basketball game or.
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G
I funnily my next door neighbor is one of the assistant coaches, so I haven't been yet though.
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A
All you need to do to fit in is refer to any group of three or more people as all y'. All. That's all you need to do. And don't say creek, say crick, those two things south of the Mason Dix line. All that's required. Appreciate you coming on. Tell us what's on your mind.
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G
Oh, no, no. I again so like I'm very much like everybody else. I kind of very got stagnated by over the last 12 years. I it's kind of like going from sort of like the 2014 being very much liberal thinking, liberal leaning only. So by referring to sort of like one or two survive media sources and kind of like being kind of like blindsided not being as open minded which I feel at university, sort of like a study of history. So like I was always putting myself as a critical thinker and so like understanding both sides which is very important, sort of like just in terms of understandings of where we've been and also where we have to go. And then I voted for being so like I voted for Hillary. So like the first time around I voted for Biden 2020 and this past year I voted for Trump. So it was kind of like an evolution of sort of like going from what my priorities were back so by whenever I was a little bit younger and it's kind of like evolved to the point where it's not necessarily sort of like I see sort of like a cultural shift, a societal shift which I don't like really sort of like see as going in the best direction in terms of like educational just sort of like a I guess us kind of like degrading one another both in our dialogue, but also in just how we approach life in terms of I guess I always see look at the social media side of things, the Kardashian kind of like promotional so like just the only fans kind of like generation which I feel like is not really incorporating so what the real values and first and foremost of like America is to me is the greatest country in the world. So like you, I've been to many places in the world and America is by far just one of the most accommodating places the most forward thinking, even though obviously at times of like we might not agree with one another, but there is so much opportunity and growth here. And I feel just the purpose of us like moving forward is to come together to have this open dialogue which we're having here. And I guess so like me thinking myself as a Democrat but then moving to Trump is a little disconcerting to me. I never thought I would do that.
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A
Andrew, Andrew, let me, let me stop you there just because I can tell Sean and Dan both have questions or comments, so let them get of what you've said so far. Dan, you first.
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B
So I'm not. Andrew, are you saying that you feel like America is in a bad place, that the political environment is in a bad place? Is that your.
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G
I feel, I feel Western, Western politics are by going, it's all we're, we're in like a plateau of we just completely sort of like discount one another. It's only one one side. There's no real common ground. And whenever I see the one thing that I want to see with the Democrats, for instance, for me, if I would move back to that particular party, is I want to see people coming. I don't understand why people don't go to the flyover countries to sort of like Texas, Mississippi, Oklahoma. I respect, I would respect more people from the Democrat Party who go out there and actually talk to people, even though they might not have the same values, but it's just sort of like going out there speaking to people I respect.
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B
Well, I think, I think the biggest thing right now is there's the world is changing and people are frustrated. One side, the conservatives, I think in most of the Western world recognize this and are kind of boldly trying to chart a new course. You can agree or disagree with it. I think the Democratic Party and kind of the incumbents around Western Europe and others can't grapple with why do people want to change this. To them, the economy, the kind of post World War II world order, everything they think kind of generally speaking worked. And so you have one that can't grapple with why are we changing and what is this new thing? And the other side is just steamrolling toward a different vision. And therefore it's hard to try to say, okay, let's have common ground and talk to each other when you just can't grapple with that. And I think the Democratic Party's beginning to get there. Here, I think in Western Europe, they're still struggling.
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A
Yeah.
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D
Sean, Andrew, is there one issue that brought you to Trump or pushed you away from the Democratic Party.
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G
So I have two young boys and I, I think going just having them there was a particular moment when my 3 year old well back whenever he was free so like at his school so like they were reading so my particular book which I didn't approve of and a lot of parents have like had sort of like spoke up about that and I kind of like thought it was just conjecture this kind of like drag queen story hours with kids and I don't want to sort of like I think it's very isolated those potential incidents but it's just those kind of things and the more I just sort of like a societal shift with regards to just common sense. Like I want kids to be kids. I want kids to enjoy themselves. I don't, I feel like that's the one thing with Trump. He, he doesn't, he doesn't want like he wants kids to be kids. He doesn't want to like he approves like the family values even though that can be debatable from some people. But I just feel like we need to go back to sort of like having more common sense and more so like family everything should be centered around the family because I feel like having so like a two parent household if that is applicable. Obviously there are certain circumstances but really sort of like creating a family environment where there's a strong male figure, a strong female figure as well and we kind of sort of like grow our sort of like next generation sort of like a peripherally that's kind of where I was seeing it and I didn't see that with the Democratic Party more.
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A
Andrew, really grateful for coming on, sharing all that and much appreciate your participation in the platform. Please come back. Sean, what do you have on tonight?
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D
It's Thursday. It's the panel. We're going to break it down. We're going to talk about the New Jersey race. Jimmy Kimmel, the government shutdown panel's going to run through it all. Mahek Cook from Ohio, Steve Cordes, my former colleague at Newsmax and Jill Savage of the Blaze.
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A
Give give the two. I know my best and interesting your show does not feature Dan tonight because ladies and gentlemen, Dan Turantine is on every two way today. He's on this program of course. Coming up four o'. Clock. Dan, Nina, Emma Jo. Well no, Emma Jo's off too.
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B
No, Emma Jo's out for the holiday. Yep.
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A
Dan, Nina and Amber Duke. And Amber Duke. The great Amber Duke.
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B
I'm excited.
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A
Yeah. Dan Will, there's her photo. I don't know. Didn't have time to build a new graphic. 4pm Eastern time. Please join them live. Participate in the conversation. Then six o', clock. The great Hogan, Gidley and Dan will join me on two way tonight.
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D
Of course, the president likes to call him tiddly.
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A
Yeah, all the. All the dainties. I have to call him Gidley Hogan. And then Dan is Michael Moynihan's guest in the morning report at 7 o'. Clock. So four full hours of Dan Turntide. Dan is not on next up. I probably would have booked him had.
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B
I known my former boss is.
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A
But your former boss, Patty Solis Doyle will be there and my reported monologue on how Democratic would be. Democratic presidential candidates are handling the current environment in the aftermath the assassination of Charlie Kirk and the Kimball thing as kind of a litmus test and a prism through which to view how they view trying to win.
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B
Boy, everyone who wants to run should be seeing Kamala Harris in the Palestine issue. Like that's gonna dog them.
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A
Yeah, that'll be. That'll be table stakes. Very grateful to you all for being part of two way and the morning meeting. Dan, Shawn and I will be back tomorrow morning, 9:00am Eastern Time. I will be wearing fairway and green tomorrow. Dan, putting you on notice now for Friday. And of course on Fridays we have winners and losers of the week and what to look for over the weekend. So join us for that. Thank you everybody for watching.
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D
Already locked them both in.
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A
Stay tuned for Turntiner or Palooza. Three two ways. Coming up. 4pm 6pm 7pm thank you for your attention.
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D
Dan, we can. Dan, we can.
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A
It's part of his media box.
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D
Wait. Yes, we did.
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B
There you go. I like it. I need a.