Raging Uproar Over Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes; Trump Says Shutdown Ends When Democrats Bend

Summary

2WAY Morning Meeting – November 3, 2025

Episode Theme: Raging Uproar Over Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes; Trump Says Shutdown Ends When Democrats Bend

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Overview

This episode of the 2WAY Morning Meeting—hosted by Mark Halperin (former ABC News political director), Sean Spicer (former Trump White House Press Secretary), and Democratic strategist Dan Turrentine—dives into a high-stakes week leading up to Election Day. The conversation highlights:

• The political uproar around Tucker Carlson’s interview with Nick Fuentes, and the Republican establishment’s recoil
• Trump’s hardline stance on the ongoing government shutdown and its impact
• Analysis of pivotal races in New York City, Virginia, and New Jersey
• The growing influence of progressive candidates like Zoran Mandami
• Listener call-ins addressing party coalitions, extremism, and media responsibility

The roundtable maintains its signature banter and audience interactivity while dissecting the day’s most contentious political controversies.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Stage: The Biggest Election Week

• Election Day looms with significant scrutiny on New York City, Virginia, and New Jersey races.
• The federal government shutdown continues, with SNAP benefits and government services in limbo.
• Mark frames the week as hyped—“the biggest week of all time”—but suggests restraint in embracing that hyperbole. (05:00)

2. Tucker Carlson, Nick Fuentes, GOP Backlash

• Sean and Dan probe the GOP’s sudden public rebuke of Tucker Carlson for giving a platform to Nick Fuentes, a far-right extremist notorious for antisemitic views.
• Mark questions, “Why is this the moment the Ted Cruzes of the party are drawing lines?” (32:05)
• The consensus: A combination of rising generational rifts in the GOP, fears over the party base drifting from Israel, and leadership contests post-Charlie Kirk’s death may all be contributing.
• Notable exchange:
  • Sean: “I kind of was trying to figure out, like, suddenly it was almost like…there’s some degree to which I feel like it’s manufactured. Not that, but like, why was Tucker suddenly the straw that broke the camel’s back?” (32:31)
  • Dan: “Young Republicans aren’t kosher, no pun intended, with being in lockstep with Israel. They saw the Democratic Party’s snowball and fear it could happen here.” (33:17)
• Mark floats a “vacuum of leadership” post-Charlie Kirk as one possible cause. (35:02)

3. Elections Preview: Upset Watch & Trends

• Mark presents polling averages:
  • New Jersey: Democrat up ~3 points; Virginia: Democrat up ~9; NYC mayoral: Mandami up ~15.
• Sean and Dan both pick New Jersey as the likeliest state for an upset, citing ground game and turnout worries. (11:16)
  • Sean: “Cheryl continues to be on her heels…she’s not on offense; at best she’s treading water.”
• Discussion around New York’s unique dynamics: an “independent” Cuomo, a controversial frontrunner (Mandami), and what his potential win would mean—including Republicans using him as a boogeyman in national campaigns. (12:30 – 14:27)

4. The Zoran Mandami Factor: Populist Politics in Practice

• Mark plays clips showing Mandami’s charismatic campaign style—including “petting an Arabic cat” in a bodega, draped near a Palestinian flag. (15:10)
• Trump comments on Mandami, terming him a “communist” and suggesting he’d cut federal funds if Mandami’s elected mayor:
  • Trump (16:38): “It’s going to be hard for me as the president to give a lot of money to New York because if you have a communist running New York, all you’re doing is wasting the money you’re sending there.”
• Dan compares Mandami’s style to Trump’s:
  • Dan (17:34): “He’s talked to Obama and Clinton about how to govern…but the question is, does he take this energy to policy or just stay in the news cycle?”
  • Sean: “He looks authentic…it’s not staged. But the people behind his videos are a different breed—22–26 year olds, not consultants in DC.” (19:08)
• Both warn: If Mandami can’t deliver, like Obama’s coalition, his support could quickly erode. (20:04)

5. Shutdown Politics: Blame, PR & Fatigue

• The shutdown’s impact spreads—SNAP being cut off, disruptions in air travel, Head Start closings.
• Trump’s stance: No negotiations until Democrats “bend.”
  • Trump (22:59): “They’ve lost their way. They become crazed lunatics. All they have to do…is say [yes to our deal].”
• Panel discusses the parties’ PR efforts:
  • Sean: “This PR campaign by the Republicans has been pathetic…The Senate should go down in textbooks as the worst PR effort ever.” (25:20)
  • Dan: “Trump doesn’t look good…He acts like there’s nothing going on. Democrats think he is starting to pay [a price].” (26:02)
• Everyone agrees: Polls show Republicans are blamed more, but not by a wide enough margin to make a settlement imminent. Thanksgiving remains a likely/hopeful deadline. (24:28)

6. Polling and “Trump Fatigue”

• NBC’s House generic ballot shows a startling 10-point Democratic lead; panelists are skeptical of its reliability given midterm mechanics.
• Dan: “Democrats feel that the Trump fatigue…the frustration with Trump among independents is taking hold.” (27:48)
• Sean: “Having a national midterm poll is somewhat irrelevant…There are maybe 20 districts that will actually decide who controls the House.” (28:12)

7. Media, Extremism, and the “Big Tent”

• Listener Tara (Roswell, GA) voices anguish over the permeability of extremism in the GOP, referencing her personal grief (son lost to an overdose) and the insensitivity of Carlson platforming Fuentes. (39:58)
  • Tara: “I don’t think we should have a big tent party that includes people like Nick Fuentes…”
• Sean: “I want anti-semites, racists, people who support violence…out of the party. But I’m a big believer in more free speech—to expose them for what they are.” (41:45)
• Dan: “Winning campaigns need a big tent…but it’s hard to hold coalitions together. At some point, it all falls apart.” (41:46)
• Sean draws what he sees as a false equivalence between the outrage over Fuentes and Democratic leaders backing Mandami; Mark counters that Carlson’s reach is arguably greater than a NYC mayor. (43:33, 43:50)

8. Callers on Party Identity, Policy, and Media Responsibility

• Tara describes her journey: a Clinton Democrat who voted for Trump three times due to border, crime, and disillusionment with elite drift. (44:21)
• Rebecca (Michigan) asks what a Mandami mayoralty means outside NYC.
  • Dan: “It may impact Michigan because it’ll energize similar candidates in your state and others.” (48:56)
  • Sean: “Practically, you can’t hide as an executive. If his policies flop, everyone sees it. Politically, Republicans will make him a national symbol in every race.”
• Caleb (UK) asks why the President is blamed for shutdowns when Congress controls appropriations.
  • Dan: “Every President would agree with you! But Trump’s central role in GOP politics makes his involvement unavoidable.” (54:17)

9. Tone & Notable Moments

• The show features a blend of sharp analysis, campaign-warroom nostalgia, and wry humor.
• Sean jokes about “double-dosing” CBD for a marathon injury and the price of New York falafel balls as his inflation barometer. (03:23, 31:15)
• Host Mark sharply moderates banter, keeps the discussion moving, and is quick with TV/press anecdotes (e.g., George W. Bush lobbying Pelosi for her vote). (62:49)
• Listeners share deeply personal stories—Beth speaks movingly about Scott Adams’ terminal illness and Trump’s acts of kindness. Dan clarifies: “I wasn’t saying Trump is heartless, just tone-deaf on inflation as a political problem.” (57:42, 58:45)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [11:16] — Sean & Dan predict surprise upsets in the coming elections
  • “Jack Cittarelli wins in New Jersey…Cheryl continues to be on her heels…” — Sean
• [16:38] — Trump reacts to a possible Mandami mayoralty:
  • “If you have a communist running New York…all you’re doing is wasting the money you’re sending there.”
• [25:20] — Sean on Republicans’ “pathetic” shutdown PR campaign
• [32:05–35:02] — Dissecting GOP backlash to Tucker/Fuentes: causes and consequences
• [39:58] — Tara calls in, explaining personal reasons for rejecting GOP extremism
• [44:21] — Tara’s “Clinton Democrat to Trump” story
• [48:56] — Dan on the national impact of a Mandami win
• [54:17] — Dan on why presidents get blamed for shutdowns
• [57:42] — Beth’s story about Scott Adams and Trump’s acts of kindness

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Notable Quotes

• Mark Halperin [32:05]:
  “Why is this the moment…Ted Cruz and others are drawing lines? Is this because Tucker’s so close to Trump and Vance?”

• Sean Spicer [32:31]:
  “I kind of was trying to figure out…why was Tucker suddenly the straw that broke the camel’s back?”

• Dan Turrentine [33:17]:
  “Young Republicans aren’t kosher—no pun intended—with being in lockstep with Israel…the snowball could get going here as in the Democratic Party.”

• Trump (on Mandami as mayor) [16:38]:
  “If it’s going to be between a bad Democrat and a Communist, I’m going to pick that bad Democrat all the time, to be honest with you.”

• Sean Spicer [25:20]:
  “The PR campaign by Republicans has been pathetic…the Senate should go down in textbooks as the worst PR effort ever.”

• Dan Turrentine [27:48]:
  “Democrats feel that the Trump fatigue, the frustration with Trump among independents, is taking hold…”

• Sean Spicer [41:45]:
  “I don’t want anti-semites, racists, people who support violence, in my tent…But I’m a believer in free speech: expose them so we know who they are.”

• Tara (caller from Georgia) [39:58]:
  “I don’t think we should have a big tent party that includes people like Nick Fuentes…I canceled my Tucker subscription.”

• Dan Turrentine [58:45]:
  “I wasn’t saying Trump is heartless, just tone deaf on inflation as a political problem.”

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Conclusion

This episode provides a lively, sometimes raw look at a transformative political moment: rifts inside both parties over extremist rhetoric, debates over party identity, and the relentless lens on 2025’s election cycle. Through candid panelist exchanges, listener calls, and pithy quotes from political players, 2WAY Morning Meeting lays out the day’s key controversies—and the stakes for the coming days.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you get your podcasts. Good morning, everybody. Welcome. This is the morning meeting. Thank you for joining. Dan, Sean and I are going to take you through the day. It's a big week. Election day tomorrow, tariffs in the Supreme Court on Wednesday, and of course, the shutdown continues. Convention and media is to build this up as the biggest week of all time. Well, we'll see. Dan, how was your weekend?

[E]

Terrible.

[B]

For those of you. For those of you who don't follow Dan on social media, he. He made a valiant effort on his marathon run. But, Dan, what are some life lessons that come out of your experience?

[E]

Oh, man, there's many things in life you can kind of gut through, but a marathon when you've struggled with knee pain is not one of them. So very, very humbling. Very, very humbling. Made it to mile 17 and first time in my life I walked off which.

[B]

And. And will you be getting. Will you be getting back on the horse or is that your last marathon?

[E]

I need to I mean, I was told it's just six weeks. Shutting it down three weeks ago was the right play. I kind of tried to somewhat shut it down the last three weeks and thought it might be good enough and adrenaline could carry me through, but not so much.

[B]

All right, I'm going to look. I think you can, you can run Buenos Aires in, in February. Yeah, I'm going to find a, a nice warm weather but not too warm weather marathon for you, Sean. More, more positive news on the sporting.

[D]

Yeah, I'm hearing that. But good call on the, in the chat. If you do glance over there, the CBD oil might be a good call. I'm just saying.

[B]

Yeah, I'm just saying, like double dose, right?

[D]

Yeah. No big win here for the Patriots. It wasn't pretty, but we're, we're number one in the league and my son's team won one game all year and then managed to make a strong run, pull out the championship game late last night.

[B]

So right, right here, just, just in a small sample set of 2 people, we have the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat. All in, all, in one. And all of New England is on fire over the Patriots. All right, welcome in. I'll run.

[D]

It was a little too close. I'm not sure. Fire.

[E]

I will say. Mark, in the marathon, one of the far fun things is all the signs. There were a lot of political signs about the mayoral race. Run like you're either being chased by ice. Run like you're chasing immigrants. I mean, depending on your side of the aisle. The signs were on fire.

[B]

And Mandami greeted runners. Just the finish line is right near my house. It's basically in my front yard. So I just enjoyed the festivities. And Dan, I was waiting there till midnight that I checked your. Then I checked your Instagram and saw.

[E]

You the Clintons were there.

[B]

Has Chelsea run a marathon before?

[E]

Yeah, she has. She's run a few now.

[B]

Yeah. Okay.

[D]

A lot of buzz on President Clinton's nose, which I, I don't know why that's a big deal. The guy's wearing a band aid, but.

[B]

Yeah, could have been anything. Could have been a cat. Thank you for being here. This is the two way morning meeting. You're welcome to raise your hand if you're here on the platform and want to get in on the conversation. Tara is eager to go. Already has her hand up. But other people, please raise your hand if you're watching on X or YouTube. We do not want you to raise your hand. We also, by the way, don't want you to put smack in the chat, even though it's an election week and even though you might be. How you pronounce that? A gripper. How do you pronounce that? Gripper.

[E]

Oh, what is that in reference to? Why did I just read that? What is that?

[B]

The followers of Fuentes. That's it.

[E]

That's it.

[D]

Anyway, I didn't know that. That, that there's actually. That's a name.

[E]

Oh, yeah, it's in the story about.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, thank you for being here. I'll run through the daybook, as I said, and then we'll want your questions and comments with a lot of. A lot of interesting sound to play for you as well. So stay tuned for that. But first, a word from one of our sponsors last night. Dan's not the only one who didn't necessarily sleep well. If you are not 100 satisfied with the bedding that you use, maybe we recommend the good stuff from Cozy Earth. Their bedding is extremely comfortable, comes with 100 day return policy, 10 year warranty, and you'll love it. It's the softest sheets I've ever slept on. And of course you can also get the bubble cuddle blanket as well to throw right on top of the sheets. All the stuff from Cozy Earth comes right now with a 40% off possibility. Use the promo code mark for. For 40% off. Black Friday has come early at Cozy Earth. Right now it's Black Friday. Even though it's Monday. You can use my promo code, mark our promo code, get on the site and sell everything site wide, 40% off. The deals won't last. To start your holiday shopping today. And again, if you're in the market for presents, it's a great place to go. And the pants. If you give someone these Cozy Earth pants, you'll be considered Santa of the decade. So Again, go to cozyearth.com, use the promo code Mark for 40% off site wide.

[A]

I'm James Patterson. I write way too many books. Welcome to Hungry Dogs. The title comes from my maternal grandmother, Isabel Zelvis Morris. Nan used to always say, hungry dogs run faster, James. And I've been running fast ever since. Here's what will be coming your way soon. And this is a really terrific list. I think you'll hear from some incredible people like Stacey Abrams. Yay. BJ Novak. Yay. Kathy Bates, Dolly Parton, Josh Gad and Pope Leo. Okay, maybe not Pope Leo, but who knows? Maybe he'll show up. Hungry Dogs run faster. Thank you, Grandma, for turning me into A hopeless obsessive compulsive listen to Hungry dogs with James Patterson. That'd be me on Apple, Spotify, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

[B]

All right. In the daybook ladies and gentlemen, the president United States ain't doing much today that we know of except Tonight he's doing two Teletown halls one at 7 o' clock for the Virginia race and one at 7:30. Tell a rally, not town halls. Tell a rally 7 and 7:30. Not campaigning in either state. We'll talk about that in a moment. Don't know what J.D. vance is up to today. The House continues to be out Speaker Johnson his usual 10am Press conference. House the Senate is in considering nominations and continuing to try to find a solution. There on the shutdown we'll hear that Supreme Court's in this week again the big arguments on Wednesday on two cases related to the President's emergency invocation to have tariffs. Today they're hearing a case on supervised relief and whether it should be paused while individuals has something to do with fugitives. I don't know what that case is about. Then another case whether service member state lawsuit against the government contractor can proceed. 2:00pm The Dodgers Victory Parade 2:00pm Eastern Time on Can I ask a quick question on that?

[D]

If the, if the Blue Jays had won would they have, would they have been invited to the White House?

[B]

No.

[E]

Right.

[D]

Okay. I just want to make sure that that's. I, I've never thought I thought of that.

[B]

I believe, I believe it.

[E]

Well Canada has won back to back in 91, 92. I have to look that up.

[B]

Look it up, Michael. Look it up. See if they went to Edis. I don't think they did. It's not the North American president, it's American president. President on Friday. On Friday is receiving the Syrian president at the White House. That's kind of a big deal. Jimmy Kimmel amongst his guests this week Carol Burnett and David Duchovny and Stephen Colbert. Guests this week include two of Sean's favorites, Michelle Obama and Sydney Sweeney. Both will be on with Stephen Colbert this week.

[E]

They did mark in 1992. George H.W. bush invited the Blue Jays. They did. They went in the winter in 1993. Yeah.

[B]

I mean they do. They do have American players so it makes sense.

[E]

Bill Clinton had a scheduling conflict and could and did not do it in 93.

[B]

When was the last time a Canadian. Thank you for that. When was the last time a Canadian team won the Stanley Cup? It's been like Ridiculous.

[E]

I think it was the Canadians in 1990.

[B]

Yeah, you can call them lay zabs if you wish.

[E]

Not the Maple Leafs, not the Flames or.

[B]

All right, Election day tomorrow, the marquee races. Virginia, New Jersey, New York City. Let's look at the polling in those states. New Jersey, 108, please. This is the Real Clear Politics average of a poll of polls. And as you can see, if you're watching, I'll read out. For those of you listening on the podcast, Cheryl's average is up a little over three points over her Republican opponent. He does not lead in any single poll. Similar story in Virginia, 109, please. The Democrat, Spanberger is up on average almost nine points. So. But, but she leads in every published poll in the last few days. And New York city mayors race. One poll over the weekend showed Mondami's lead at only 7, which of course would still be something of a landslide, but overall he still leads by on average, almost 15 points. Mandami campaigned very hard all weekend. We're going to look at that in a moment. But gentlemen, Sean, you first. If there was assuming that the poll leaders, if you had to pick one race where the poll leader is upset in a surprise, which one of the three would you choose? And why?

[D]

Jack Cittarelli wins in New Jersey.

[E]

Why?

[D]

Because I think he's got the momentum going in his direction in the final days. They seem to have a pretty solid ground game. And Cheryl continues to be on her heels when it comes to, like, some of the bigger issues. She's not on offense at best, she's treading water.

[B]

Dan, would you pick the same race or a different one for, for an upset if there, if there is one same race?

[E]

And it would be, I think, because the minorities in the working class communities around New York City and Philadelphia don't turn out. And I think those who do may vote for the Republican, which would be a huge, you know, red flag going forward. I also think if she loses, it's because the base is not motivated to turn out and the numbers are not what people had hoped.

[B]

Yeah, I agree. I agree with everything you guys just said. Odds, Dan, that either there's an upset in either Virginia or New York and.

[E]

No, I think odds are 10%, 15% for both.

[B]

Yeah, Sean.

[D]

All right, so I agree. But then the question becomes, what's the other takeaway? Because I think that in my opinion, the next takeaway is that Cuomo comes closer than people thought.

[B]

Yeah. What would that mean? Like five points?

[D]

Yeah, I mean, look, I think this, this Idea of like a 15, 20 point win. And I could be wrong. But as I keep saying, the problem is that the data doesn't, I mean, there's no model for this. How do you model two Democrats running against each other in opposite positions? Meaning that the crazy communist is, is the, got the Democratic line and the scandal plague traditional Democrat is the independent.

[E]

So I think the interesting thing in New York is do Sliwa and Cuomo have a greater vote share than Mandani? Because that would be interesting if more than half of New York did not vote for Mandani.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Well, don't you think that that's, I mean, I gotta be honest like that to me, you brought this up, but I mean there's no poll that Mandami's getting 50% has there, I mean there's.

[E]

One, I think that.

[B]

But he's, but he's close and, and the polls may be, and the polls may be undercounting his support because it may not be yet. The likely voter screens may be, may be screening out first time voters for him. Let's talk about Mondami. You know, I always said about, about Barack Obama, part of why he was so impressive in 2006 and 7 and 8 was he could go on Meet the Press, Monday Night Football in the Tonight show and do extremely well. I think Mondami could do two of three. He's not been very good in any tough interview he's had, but in terms of sports and entertainment, the guy is just incredible. And, and I want to show you some things he did this weekend. And then the question I want to ask you is, what are the implications if this is how he governs as mayor? If he, if he does this kind of stuff as mayor? So here he is. Here he is at a Knicks game, sitting in the cheap seats with his pals. Yeah, here he is. 106A, please. Or 106B, I guess 106. Let's go next. Let's go next. Let's go next. Let's go next. Let's go next.

[F]

Let's go.

[C]

All right.

[B]

He's not the first mayoral candidate or mayor to show enthusiasm for New York sports teams. But he does it there with a certain elan, a certain comfort, a certain je ne sais quoi. Here's something. You've never seen a New York City mayor, do you? Number 119, please.

[D]

New York Barif shant fekru shekley kani sohurkum basal arabi tabai biddush.

[B]

Wasar sab.

[D]

Naish Fiha Wan Rabbi.

[B]

Million Shahsia Bistan.

[D]

Bifata Mashriakum as Sahirakum Watabnu Mustakbalakum Fi Medinat New York.

[C]

November.

[F]

That was a good one.

[A]

That was a good one.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

All right. For those of you listening on the podcast, amongst the scenes you missed is in a rest Arabic restaurant, Arabic supermarket and petting an Arabic cat and calling the cat chief, which is I think a very Arabic thing to do. If I understand.

[E]

I believe there was a Palestinian flag over his left shoulder in several of those images.

[B]

I believe that was an accident again, which you don't see in other mayor candidates. Finally, here's President Trump on 60 Minutes in his wide ranging 60 Minutes interview with Norah O' Donnell talking about how he feels about a Mondami victory. 115 please.

[G]

Zorhan Mandami, 34 year old Democratic Socialist.

[E]

He's the communist.

[F]

Not socialist, communist. He's far, he's far worse than a social.

[G]

Some people have compared him to a left wing version of you, charismatic, breaking the old rules. What do you think about that?

[F]

Well, I think I'm a much better looking person than him. Right.

[G]

But what if Mandami becomes mayor?

[F]

It's going to be hard for me as the president to give a lot of money to New York because if you have a communist running New York, all you're doing is wasting the money you're sending there. So I don't know that he's one and I'm not a fan of Cuomo one way or the other. But if it's going to be between bad Democrat and a Communist, I'm going to pick that bad Democrat all the time, to be honest with you.

[B]

Okay. So Dan, I'm just projecting forward here. Mondami wins, let's say he wins decently, you know, 10 points, whatever. And then he becomes mayor and he continues to do stuff like this, photo ops across the board and continues to piss off the president. What will it be like? Will he be a dominant figure in the national news on a daily basis? I mean, Mayor Adams maybe once a month is a national, national figure. Rudy a little more Bloomberg once a month. What do you envision that being like?

[E]

I think the question is does he take his talents to govern or does he take his talents to kind of, you know, stay in the news, stay relevant? And it's very similar to Donald Trump. Right. Trump loves to go to sporting events. Trump loves to do kind of political stunts that we're all talking about that either enrages you or you're like, I love it. I think it was reported over the weekend. He's talked to Barack Obama, he's been talking to, he talked to Bill Clinton, he's talked to other people all about how to govern. Once you get in there, how do you staff an administration? How do you get things done? And I think the big question is if he takes all of this to, let's say, highlight raising taxes, Hochul's resisting, if the state legislature is resisting and he's walking the streets, he's talking to people, trying to build support, then he may be in the news because everyone's like, does this work? Can he get people behind him to get stuff done? If it's because ICE is coming and he wants to go at Trump, I don't think he's going to be very successful, Sean.

[B]

Can he use the talents we just showed? And again, we could show 50 different videos he made over the weekend. He's just a super talented on camera performer. Can he use that to advance his agenda or the. Just a different thing?

[E]

Sure.

[D]

I mean, look, I think there's two components that, that matter in this. And this is sort of a lesson for everyone trying to, you know, every election people say, like, how can I replicate that? You have to be. The candidate has to be like him, willing to do stuff, willing to show up. Like his. It's not just showing up. He looks like him or hate him, whatever. He looks authentic. It's not staged. Like, he actually looks like I'm having fun at a Knicks game.

[E]

Right.

[D]

Not every candidate can pull that off. But I think the other thing that's not getting the attention is that team behind him to cut those videos. That I guarantee you, it's not like the White House.

[B]

Huh?

[E]

Take the White House. Like the Trump team. They.

[D]

The difference between when I led that team and now, there's a lot more young guys that are like, hey, what if we cut this up and do this? Like, this is the new game. And I guarantee you that the people behind his videos are from 22 to 26. Like, this is like a different, a different breed. They're not consultants sitting in a, in a, you know, in a D.C. office trying to figure out what to do. And so there's a recipe of success. Now to your question, I think certainly. I mean, look, he's going to. If Colbert wasn't canceled, he'd probably be on Colbert every other week on the View. I mean, I can see him definitely getting and trying to be much more a voice in the national dialogue. Going forward.

[E]

And here's the thing, Mark, like Hochul needs him next year. She won't win if Mandani and his voters turn their back on her. So now the thing things becomes Jeffrey schumer, schumer in 28 in a primary, cannot go to war with Mandani and probably win a primary. So he is a little bit of a kingmaker now because they are the beggar to him. Now the question is if he can't get anything done. Traditionally, like Obama, his coalition fell apart within six months. It starts because they were disappointed.

[B]

Short answer to this and we'll move on to the shutdown. It doesn't look like Schumer's going endorse. Maybe he will in the next day. But we why did what what's the difference between Schumer's politics and Jeffries that Jeffries endorsed Mondavi and Schumer didn't?

[E]

I think both the donors and the Jewish community, they are his base just couldn't go there.

[D]

But the thing that I, that I thought was fascinating about Schumer and you guys can tell me if I'm wrong on this, but I felt like once Mondami had AOC wrapped in it was like the endorsement's not going to do me any good if AOC comes after me. Mondami is going to be with her. So what am I getting out of this? Like I might as well stand firm and be the guy who didn't endorse him to try to build up some of that base as opposed to getting, you know, so I think Schumer at some point said it's not worth the squeeze.

[B]

All right, shut down. The Obamacare enrollment has started. The SNAP benefits are cut off, although the administration may find a way to turn them back on this week, which of course would be good for people, but bad. Probably forgetting a settlement. Air traffic continues to be a problem according to the secretary of Transportation. Military still being paid, but there's some potential of whether that gets cut off. More reports now have fallout effects of the shutdown, which is Head Start offices, for instance, closing. Some people are saying that the election after the election the Democrats will be more willing to settle. I don't see that polling over the weekend slight tilt at least towards saying the Republicans are being blamed more, but not so much so that Republicans are ready to give in. Democrats on the Sunday shows said, please Mr. President, you need to step in here. Nora Donalds asked the president, well, what are you doing as president to solve the problem? And the president at least based on what he said to Norah O' Donnell on 60 Minutes. Not the least bit interested in backing down from the no negotiating position of Republic. Democrats have to open up the government and then he'll talk about healthcare. Here is the president on 60 Minutes with Nora.

[G]

We are now approaching the longest shutdown in American history. Democrats fault under your presidency. We're talking about more than a million federal workers who are not getting a paycheck, including our air traffic controllers. You see there's traffic snarls out at the airports now. This weekend, food aid for more than 42 million Americans is set to expire. What are you doing as president to end the shutdown?

[F]

All we're doing is we keep voting. I mean, the Republicans are voting almost unanimously to end it and the Democrats keep voting against ending it. You know, they've never had this. This has happened like 18 times before. The Democrats always voted for an extension, always saying, give us an extension, we'll work it out. They've lost their way. They become crazed lunatics. And all they have to do, Nora, is say.

[B]

Lastly, so proud to be part of the two Way community and grateful to you all who have done stuff to help your fellow citizens and have reached out to tell us about it. One email this from Natalie. One fellow member of the community 103B sent me an email over the weekend. Hi, Mark, my name is Natalie Kerber. I live in Franklin, Tennessee, and I listen to two Way every single day. With all the talk of snap. On last week's show, you all inspired me to host a neighborhood food drive which will benefit a local food bank. I got my kids and a few neighborhood kids together and we filled up the back of three SUVs in just two hours time. It was truly amazing. Thank you for what you do. It's making a difference in the real lives of real people. And here is a spectacular picture of Natalie's and the kids rather. And you see the two SUVs filled with food for the local food bank. We continue to urge folks here to help out where you can, and particularly now that the benefits are cut off. Sean, at best guess, best estimate, there's talk of Senate talks for appropriators that somehow people think could lead to an end. But what's your best guess now of when and how it ends?

[D]

I mean, I think 15 to 21. As I've said before, I don't think anything's changed. But as we come up on that deadline where House Republicans will lose leverage by saying that they've they passed a bill once that's gone. You can't use that anymore. They have to come back to town. I think so we're in there. But Thanksgiving, is that backstop still? In my mind, Dan?

[E]

Yeah, I agree to all the House and Senate Democratic leadership staff who watch our show and told me they feel very good. They were saying before, like their conversations were happening. They think they're winning the PR battle now. Their poll after poll shows that Republicans and Trump are being blamed and they think that the pressure is on him, not them. And I don't. Maybe Thanksgiving.

[D]

But can I just, you know, to Dan's point on this, I've said this over and over again. I brought it up with guests on my show. I will say that Democrats are right in the sense that the Republicans, this PR campaign by the Republicans has been pathetic with the exception of Speaker Johnson, who holds a 10am press conference every day. Back when I was on the Hill, we'd be out on the steps, we'd be going to places and having rallies with people affected by this. The Senate is probably should go down in textbooks as the worst PR effort ever. They have a vote at like 3 o' clock and then I'll head off to the spa. It's pathetic. And if I were a member of the Senate Republican Conference, I would demand new leadership.

[E]

I also think Trump doesn't look good. He, he's doing everything else but this. He's Israel and his overseas trip. We all talked about how kind of stunning it was that it's like he acts like there's nothing going on. Like, you guys deal with this. I'm running the world. Democrats think he is starting to pay. If you test Trump, the GOP and Dems, Trump is not looking good. And I thought even watching 60 Minutes, he looked irritated. Right? And they think they're getting under his skin.

[D]

He looked irritated because he was sitting down with cbs, which he chose to do. Which honestly, I was like, hey, you do remember you won the lawsuit. I mean, seriously, I just, I can't believe we keep rewarding bad behavior on the, on the.

[B]

But, but I think he thinks he's rewarding good behavior now for the Ellisons and Barry.

[D]

I, I get it, I get it. Right, right, right.

[B]

I, I, I, I had communication, one conversation, one text exchange with a Trump political adviser and a Democrat who's running for a statewide office in an important state in a contested primary. And they sounded identical. The other side's losing. We're winning. It's unfortunate that people are being hurt, but look at the polls. We're great. This is going to the other side is going to eventually have to give in. It was quite something how similar they sounded and obviously that makes it an irreconcilable situation. We'll keep watching that. A bunch of polls out over the weekend, including abc, Washington Post, NBC and cbs. Guys, anything forward looking you want to say about those polls? One thing that got a lot of attention was the NBC has the generic house question at 10, 10 points. The biggest. It's been a long time. It's a bit of an outlier. We'll see if there's an outlier. But Dan, anything in any of the polls you want to highlight in a.

[E]

Forward looking way similar to what I just said? The Democrats feel that the Trump fatigue, the frustration with Trump amongst independent voters is, is, is taking hold and this is why they think that come next year they, they need to have some forward looking agenda but they think that, that, that Trump's getting too close to the sun and how, and how he behaves and they feel very bullish about next year.

[D]

So one cautionary tale about these midterm polls, they're acting as if it's a national election like the generic ballot would be this. At best we had 40 districts in play after redistricting efforts. I mean maybe what are we talking 20, maybe tops. Point is that having a national midterm poll is somewhat irrelevant. Like you're talking about 20 districts that will determine who controls the House. And so there is a bit of misleading people about how the playing field is at any given state right now.

[E]

I think that the problem for Republicans is Democrats are firmly united and independents are running two to one against the President. And it is the fact that he is in the attention economy. He is everywhere, all the time, front foot. And you just ask yourself is that going to wear well over time.

[B]

Either of you want to say anything forward looking about the 60 Minutes interview, which was the classic wide ranging interview. Nora covered about 40 topics. CBS is leading with the comments we played about the shutdown. So no massive news in it. But either of you want to highlight anything from the interview?

[D]

Well, I think that's, that's the highlight Mark. You have an hour and seven hour and 13 minute interview that they condensed down to 27, which is, I'll push that aside for a second. But that you can speak to the President, United States at a moment like this for 113 minutes and get no real news out of it.

[E]

I think that's the news, Dan boy. I actually disagree. I think that one thing that Struck me because he keeps doing this is Trump is beginning to sound a little like Joe Biden when it comes to inflation, which is. He's dismissive of it. No, no, no, no. It doesn't exist in the grocery stores. It's all coming down. Everything's gonna be great. You look at his numbers on the economy and inflation, they're terrible. Voters don't feel that way now. Maybe in the next six months it turns around and all is well. But Trump doesn't do I feel your pain? Well, and Biden couldn't do it. He was a stubborn guy who refused to admit. Boy, Trump's gonna get is getting near a danger zone. You can't keep telling working class voters that health insurance is all illegals. Inflation doesn't exist and it's the golden age.

[B]

Yeah. Let's get hands up if you want to get in the conversation. Lots of new folks already raised their hands. So we want to get to you in just a moment.

[E]

And by the way, Mark, can I just have one thing because someone just don't think Democrats aren't going to ask in debates next year, Republican candidates, you agree with the president. Inflation doesn't exist and all is well and they're going to squirm like a pig in fire.

[D]

I don't think, first of all, I mean, he admitted that there was a problem with beef. It's not that he doesn't.

[E]

No, no. Only beef. Everything else he said is coming down. There is no infl. That's what he kept saying. It's crazy.

[D]

I think gas is down. I mean, there's a lot. When you, when you actually look at stuff that people touch and feel, gas, eggs, things like that, you know, he isn't wrong on that. There are some areas that, that have to be addressed and obviously in the healthcare thing, it's not his fault that Democrats put a system in place that's failing.

[B]

Until falafel. Until falafel balls in my neighborhood are below $2.50 a falafel ball. I will consider inflation to be a dangerous problem for the country. All right, we'll talk about tariffs on Wednesday. One more topic. Over the weekend at the Republican Jewish Coalition meeting, you saw a parade of Republican officials and strategists denouncing Tucker Carlson and Nick Fuentes and what they say is a dangerous growth of anti Semitism and anti Israel sentiment within the party. Fuentes is not backing down. He's on social media attacking Ted Cruz and others. Sean and the Heritage foundation had put personnel changes over. This is this. Well, let me ask this. A number of things I want to ask you about it, but I'll start this way. Why is this issue, this moment, causing people, Ted Cruz and others, to put a flat, put a line in the sand and say this is unacceptable? What are they particularly feeling threatened by? Is it because Tucker's so close to the president and the vice president? Why is this a time when they're really speaking out in a way we haven't seen very much over the last seven years?

[D]

I think that's actually a great question because I haven't figured out what, like, where that, like, is it that. I mean, Nick Fuentes is very clear about his positions.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't think that's new that Tucker platformed him. I don't know. I mean, like, I kind of was trying to figure out, like, suddenly it was almost like there's some degree to which I feel like it's manufactured. I mean, not that, but like, why was Tucker, the. Suddenly the straw that broke the camel's back?

[B]

I don't know. That's what I can't figure out. I mean, like, remember the president had dinner with Nick Fuentes, like he's been platformed. President said it was by accident. Kind of by accident, right? Yeah. Dan, how. How big a, how big a deal do you think this is going forward? Is this just like some short term venting? And again, can you solve the problem? Sean and I can't, which is why is this moment causing such lines to be drawn?

[E]

I think it's because they worry about J.D. vance. Like, and I've warned about this for months, young Republicans aren't kosher, no pun intended here with the.

[B]

But it's a good. But it's a good pun.

[E]

It's a good one. Isn't lockstep with Israel. And I think it's like they saw what happened in the Democratic Party the way the snowball got going down the mountain, and it became hard to stop. And I think they fear that. I mean, again, if you're J.D. vance and you're thinking about 2028, this is not a black and white issue. You have a restless.

[B]

Another good pun, by the way.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You have a restless part of your base. And how do you finesse this? Because somebody will come at J.D. vance from the right. I mean, they'll just, it's too easy and cheap to try. And this will be one of the issues. I think that they will.

[D]

I just don't think that that's. I mean, look, to me, maybe, maybe you're onto something, but that's a little bit deep for, like, I think that there's a lot of. Again, I just don't know. That is like, nothing to me is that new. I don't get. Like, that's why I'm trying to figure out why. Yeah, Tucker was suddenly the one that broke.

[E]

Well, but what's new in the last six months is Trump kind of going all in on Israel, trying to solve the peace now talking about rebuilding. Like, there's a lot of.

[B]

But, Dan, I agree with you that that's distinctive. But for the people on the other side of Trump, for the Fuentes camp, this is just more of the same. I don't think they've escalated. What's escalated is people like Ted Cruz. And so, so what has caused them to suddenly say this? I mean, Tucker spoke at the convention. You know, there's, you know, people. People get engaged with with Fuentes, people get engaged with. With Candace Owens. Like, this is. None of this is new. And yet suddenly we have a reaction that is unlike. Unlike I've seen. We've seen.

[E]

I think those previous engagements were all about 24 and. And it was all poking at the left. Now you're looking at your own party and you're saying, like, what the subject is. Is Israel a lot.

[D]

Yeah, I think, again, I just didn't think that would be the issue that would have.

[B]

I, I agree. I'll tell you, I can't. I don't have this thought through as I prepared to ask the question and hopefully have an answer to join with you guys. I think Charlie's assassination has something to do with it. Not really. I think, I think, I think. Is it. This is a theory. It's not based on anybody telling me this. I think Charlie's death leaves a vacuum, and I think people are trying to step into that. And I think Fuentes thinks he can step into it. He's a huge critic of Charlie's, and I think Tucker maybe thinks he could step into it. And then I think people like Ted Cruz. And again, I'm not saying they're doing it for power. It's just there's a space there to appeal to young men who are conservative and maga and, and, and. And again, Charlie's death just left a vacuum.

[E]

All right. I think some of them are speaking of Charlie Kirk is the conspiracy theories that spun out during that on the road. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But again, that just made the right. Crazier. It didn't. It doesn't explain whatever Ted Cruz Is. I know it's not the right. But. All right, in a moment, your questions, but reminder that this program is sponsored by friends at Fairway and Green, whose products are available. Sean, what are you wearing today?

[D]

Well, Mark, I've got the just comfortable polo underneath and then a little, you.

[B]

Know, look at that.

[E]

Yeah, look at that patch.

[B]

Look at that morning meeting logo right there. And of course, wearing this pinkish shirt. Never normally don't wear pink, but I love this one. Exactly. Go to Twoway TV Fairway. And Sean, any discounts available?

[D]

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[B]

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[E]

Your volume just went out for a little bit.

[D]

You muted yourself.

[E]

Yeah. You were talking, your lips were moving, but there was nothing.

[B]

All right, Tara, welcome and thank you for being part of the two way community. I like your map. Yeah.

[E]

What's the map, Tara?

[B]

We'd love to hear where you are. Explain the map and what's on your mind.

[H]

Map of the United States. I'm actually in a suburb outside of Atlanta.

[B]

Tara, I hate to interrupt. We know it's the United States. What are the colors about?

[H]

Oh, I don't know.

[B]

Okay. All right, good answer. I'm sorry, you said you're outside of what?

[H]

Atlanta.

[B]

Atlanta. All right, well, welcome in. Thank you for being here.

[H]

I'm in Roswell and love you guys. I'm a little nervous.

[B]

No reason to be. No reason to be nervous. Just imagine you be in the cab with Dan on the way back from the marathon and how you. How you talk to him.

[H]

Just that I love Dan even though I'm a Clinton Democrat, which means I voted for Trump three times. But love.

[E]

Okay, obviously, of course. Yeah.

[B]

Funny definition of Clinton Democrat, I was going to say.

[D]

I'm sure he likes that.

[H]

But it's funny you brought this up about the Tucker thing, because I've watched you guys from the beginning. This is the first time I have felt passionate enough to call in about something Charlie Kirk's death hit me really hard. I didn't know him. I had a 27 year old son that died of a fentanyl overdose. And some of it may have been that, but the fact that Tucker would not only have this guy on, but also then not push back on him. Somebody that said he loves Stalin, he hates Charlie Kirk, he hates Erica, all the mean things he said and then Tucker is just kind of agreeing with him, but yet he'll have on Ted Cruz and push back on him. So my question really was DeShawn about I don't think we should have a big tent party that includes people like Nick Fuentes. And then also I feel like the Democrats and Dan, if you could answer this, you know, they became such a big tent party and let everybody in. Then they have, you know, Zoran Mindati in New York. And so I'm very upset. I canceled my Tucker subscription. I, you know, I just can't like the fact that this guy is so full of hatred. The things he said. Tucker didn't say anything back to him. And the things he said about Charlie is just unacceptable. Like it's unacceptable. So if you guys could answer that.

[B]

Tara, thank you for that and our heart breaks for you about your son. It just, just tragic and sorry you have to deal with that every day. I'm sure Sean and then Dan, Tara.

[D]

I will give you a free subscription to the Sean Spicer show. It is free, but I'm double downing on free. So look, I haven't. Maybe I will go listen to it based on the conversation that we're having. I didn't, I haven't heard the whole conversation. I will say this. There's a difference between a big tent and I agree with you on that. I don't want anti Semites, people who are racist or have, you know, vitriol or support violence or things like that in my tent. But I do think that that's different between allowing them to, you know, as I said the other day, I want to expose people for that reason. I actually think it's the opposite. If somebody has views that are abhorrent to some degree, you want everyone to know about it, be like this is what they believe. Like when they actually get minimized is when you have a problem. So I am a big believer in more free speech. I don't think that means you allow them in your tent, so to speak. I don't want people like that. But I also want them. It doesn't mean that you give them a speaking role somewhere, but I Also think that that doesn't mean that you cancel them entirely so that people can't, because that's actually when you create problems, when you minimize. If you think about what you talked about, Charlie, part of what he fostered was the idea of getting those ideas out, getting good, bad, letting people hear it all and going, wow, that person's a nut job. Or they're a horrible person. But when you actually cancel them, then you almost, in a way help them because you push that underground and you don't allow that voice to be exposed for what it is.

[B]

Dan?

[E]

Yeah, I mean, look, I think part of the problem is Mark said before, like, Trump had dinner with Nick Fuentes, it was not an accident. I don't believe whatsoever. It was a dog whistle. That's what it was. Right? Trump's very good at dog whistling, sometimes foghorns. But it is. Sean made the point. Winning campaigns have to have big tents and how you finesse that. I want Mandani's energy, I want Bernie Sanders energy and AOC's energy. And I also want the business community to think that we're receptive and we are receptive and we're willing to work with them. That's why it's really hard to hold coalitions together for more than two election cycles, because at some point people say, you need to deliver for me, and you can't deliver for everybody at once. So it's hard. And that's when you get something new every couple years. You get these new iterations.

[D]

One other thing that's interesting to note, and I hate doing this, but I also feel it's fascinating. Nick Fuentes, I actually, I can't remember if we're having this conversation on or off air. But, like, I can't say I've spent any more time looking him up or than. I mean, I don't even want to compare it. Like, I don't know much about the guy except for what I've heard and read. And that has inspired me not to spend a ton of time on that. But at the same time, you've got a guy that's about to be mayor of New York City that literally is hanging around with unindicted co conspirators from 911 who has espoused socialist communist views. And we're having a discussion about whether or not Tucker Carlson could have a podcast with a guy versus National Democrats electing a guy who.

[E]

Well, they're not. New York City is.

[D]

Well, New York City is.

[B]

But who have stood.

[D]

And I'm just like, There's a level to which. What are we doing? We're discussing whether Tucker Carlson had a dude on a podcast and didn't push back enough, and whether or not Hakeem Jeffries and others are endorsing a guy who. Who literally stood with terrorists. And I'm going, there's. There's a false equivalent.

[B]

You don't think Tucker's more powerful than the mayor?

[E]

I was just about to say that.

[B]

I mean, he is.

[H]

I mean, I'm from the Midwest, so I'm from Kansas City. I live outside of Atlanta. I would never, you know, vote for anybody. Like, that happens in New York City. So half of it, my kids are like, you're just old. I'm like, commercial. Don't be your parents on the insurance.

[B]

What. What caused you to go from being a Clinton Democrat to voting for Trump? What issues?

[H]

Well, when I listen to Clinton, I mean, the border. The border. We need strong borders. But, you know, abortion should be safe, rare, and legal. All of the things, you know, the. That we need stricter crime. We can't have crime in the streets. I mean, just the stuff that Clinton was saying. And then I did vote for Obama then, both times.

[E]

Or did you. Did you vote for him in 12 as well?

[B]

I didn't rob Romney.

[H]

I couldn't. I didn't like either one of them. But, you know, my son was a Bernie bro. And so him and his friends at Georgia Tech, I knew they were not going to vote for Hillary Clinton because they were all like, she stole it from Bernie. So I wasn't surprised Trump won. I mean, I kind of was, but, you know, I just feel like that the parties have gotten too far on each side, and so I don't love Trump. Half the time, I don't listen to what he's saying. I turn it off because I hold my breath thinking, what stupid thing is he going to say now? But, you know, it's just the policies have gone too much. So if I had to pick one this time, it was going to be Trump. But I'm open to voting for a Democrat. You know, I like my senators. I have nothing. My senators are fine. So I'm interested.

[B]

Yeah. Terry, thank you for coming on as we saw. No reason for you to be nervous. You did great. Or great.

[E]

By the way, Ostoff's gotten some good poll numbers recently, which is interesting.

[B]

In the middle of the shutdown and fundraising.

[E]

Yeah. Like, he looks almost stronger today than at the start of the shutdown, which.

[B]

And the Republican field's a big mess. Sorry. To interrupt. But yes, I agree with you. Rebecca, welcome in. Thank you for being part of Two Way. Tell folks where you are, what's on your mind For Sean and for Dan.

[I]

Hi, good morning. Thank you for having me again. I am, I'm from Michigan, so I'm calling in from Michigan. I had a question. Well, initially, whenever I got on, I had a question for you guys about Zoran Mandami. But then we started talking about Tucker and I, and I just wanted to weigh in on I am. So I, I do like Tucker. I do like to listen to him. However, there are, there are some, you know, the way things, you know, I can get turned off by it.

[B]

Rebecca, I got to stop you just because your connection's not that great. So I just asked you to ask your question, if you could, only because it's hard to hear you.

[I]

Yeah. So there you go, I guess. Is that better?

[B]

It is so far. Go ahead.

[I]

Okay, so I guess my question. Well, I first, I wanted to weigh in on the whole Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson thing and that my opinion on that is I don't really understand. Well, one, I don't really understand the frustration and the outrage of why, you know, he, he platformed Nick Fuentes. I'm not a Nick Fuentes fan. Some of the things that he said on the, on the podcast are outrageous. I mean, you know, he said he was a fan of Stalin. Like, who says that? But at the same time, it's like, but if, you know how Tucker Carlson is in, like the people that he platforms, I mean, he will talk to anybody. So I just, I don't think that a ton of people that do listen to him are thinking of him in that, in that way. So, yeah, I wanted to weigh in on that. And then also my question about Zoran, Madame, is for you. You three. I don't know where you guys are as far as where you guys live. I live in Michigan. It's not going to affect me directly. But it looks like he's going to get elected. How is this going to affect the United States? I mean, I know that New York is the center capital city of the world, but like, what's going to happen to the rest of us? Like, is it, is there going to be a. Is there, I mean, are things going to happen, I guess, in effect of his election or is it just.

[B]

Great question. Okay, so first of all, one correction. New York is not the capital of the world. It's the capital of the galaxy. Capital, the galaxy. Dan, thoughts on Spin out If Dami does win. How does it affect the United States?

[E]

Rebecca? I actually think it may impact Michigan because you have a Senate primary on the Democratic side that has three very distinct candidates, one of whom is very close to Bernie Sanders and is incredibly progressive. Some of his ideas, people would say are not too dissimilar from Mandani because Mandanis are parochial to New York City and his are more kind of big picture. I think what it would do or will do is give energy to like minded people. And so you will see candidates emerge for local and state and federal office that espouse similar viewpoints and it will be tested. Is this popular? I mean, it's like Bernie Sanders, right? Is Bernie popular? He's popular with the base. Could Bernie have won a general election in Pennsylvania or West Virginia or Michigan against Donald Trump? I don't know. Like, there's a part of the Trump wing and the Bernie wing that are very, very close, right. I mean, Trump's taken equity stakes in companies. Yeah, Sean, that, that would be socialism.

[D]

I think in Mondame, when there's two aspects, there's the practical and the political. The practical is, as Dan kind of said, I mean, like it's one thing for Bernie Sanders or AOC or whomever, right? You're in a legislative branch, you're not really. But he will be the executive of New York. And so it's actual the practice of what he's talking about. If you talk about free buses, at some point he'll either do them or try to do them and it'll either fall on its face. Well, it will. And so like in practice, it's. I mean, Saturday Night Live, by the way, that they had a really epic that I saw the opening, cold open and there was a point at which he sort of joked that the guy playing Mondami and said, you know, we'll flip, figure out whether it works or it doesn't. We know it won't and it was kind of funny to it.

[F]

But.

[D]

But when you're the executive, you can't hide the way you can in a legislative body. So I think that the practical is that we will see all this play out and you won't be able to hide it anymore and say, well, it didn't. It's either he will do it and it'll work or it won't, which it won't, or he will fail trying to do it. And again, it's, it's. Then it's exposed. You can't hide anywhere. Two, two. Just real quick, is, is politically The Republican Party will be. Make him the poster boy of every Democrat. Dan talked about, like what Republicans will do or Democrats will do in a debate. Every Republican will say, is this your new leader, Caleb?

[B]

Unmute, if you would, Rebecca. Thank you. Grateful to you, Caleb. Welcome in. Tell folks who don't know where you are what's on your mind. For Sean and Dan, thank you for.

[C]

Calling me calling from United Kingdom.

[B]

We hear you well, sir. Thank you.

[C]

Yeah, I have a couple of questions, but I'll just go into the questions I have first, and then. I love you so much. I'm not a Democrat. I'm not a Republican. I like to think of myself as an independent. You said something about. About Trump. I'm being nervous, so let me just speak up. You said something about Trump having dinner with Nick Fuentes. I don't think that's actually accurate. What happened? I think Nick Fuentes actually gave a description of what happened. Trump had dinner with Kanye west, and Kanye brought Nick Fuentes. I think for the reputation of this program, it's always good to put things in context.

[B]

Yeah. I'll interrupt. Yeah, we know. We know what the story was, but if you're the president, United States or former president, and somebody says, I'm bringing a guest to dinner, the Secret Service looks into who your guest is.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And so. And so they. They knew he was coming. They knew he was coming and they chose to let him come.

[C]

Yeah, that's fine.

[E]

And by the way, Trump didn't disavow a lot of what Nick. He just said. I didn't know he was right. So you get the benefit of, like, the people who hear that say, that's my guy. And the people who would be offended are like, well, he didn't know. And that in politics, is how you finesse things sometimes.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, on Toka and Fuentes, I think. I think. I think in my own view, I think having this free speech is very, very important. Like letting people voice their opinion and then countering their opinion is more important than shutting them up. I think people get agitated when you don't allow them to talk. And maybe the New York mayoral race could have been different if Mamdanya actually been that exposed, if the Democrat actually been open to some of his ideas early on than late, and then things would have been different. But I wanted to ask something about the shutdown, Dan. You've talked about the president coming in, and my question is, who has the appropriations responsibility in the United States? Is it not the Congress? So why is Congress not getting themselves in order. Why does President have to come in when it comes to appropriations? Because I believe they are dealing with appropriations now. So we're talking, we're talking about separations of power and there is the responsibility of the President and there's responsibility of judiciary and there responsibility of Congress. So why can't the United States Congress get their acts together and pass appropriations? Why must the President responsible, why must his poll numbers crater because of something in which Congress is responsible for?

[E]

Roy, every, every President the last 30 years would probably say amen because ultimately he has to sign it and he is the head of the party that controls both chambers. So to say that he's not relevant. And I think Trump has shown all of us that he is very relevant when it comes to anything in government, even appropriations, he has been very involved in. So I think the feeling is ultimately you can cut a deal with John Thune, but it's got to be with Trump. Like they, they, Trump tells them what to do, not the other way around as a rule. And so I think they, you know, they want the big gorilla to get, to get in the ring here.

[B]

Caleb, how did you find. Caleb, how did you find two way?

[C]

I think I found two way in June of 2024. I've been following you before the elections. I really love your analysis about the election. I've been followed since. So thank you guys.

[D]

Okay, one quick point of clarification and to Caleb's point that I think he made very like. There are 12 appropriations bills. The House passed all 12, sent them to the Senate. The Senate needed seven votes from, from Democrats. Schumer would not allow one to go through. So there are 12 appropriations bills sitting in the Senate ready to go that would fund each of the 12 areas of government. I think that there is a bigger fundamental problem with how the process is. You know how we got to this point?

[E]

Well, yeah, the flip side is you work with the other party to do the appropriations bills, which is an old school way of doing things.

[D]

But if you talk to the appropriators, but Dan, if you talk to the appropriators, they actually believe that there are a few that are teed up, ready to go. It's that Schumer won't give them the floor time. So there is an element to which if the appropriators themselves are saying we're okay on the Dem side, then it is the leadership problem.

[E]

They did not work with the Democrats as a rule. Go listen to Susan Collins. I mean she's pulling her hair out.

[B]

Beth, welcome to Two Way. Thank you for grateful to you. Tell folks where you are, what's on your mind.

[J]

I'm in Peoria, Illinois, and I just am responding to something that Dan said and I love Dan, but you mentioned that Trump doesn't communicate how he feels. He doesn't do a good job of feeling people's pain. And I'm not sure how many in the community listen to Scott Adams, the creator of Dilbert, but Scott is at the end stage of pancreatic four stage pancreatic metastasized cancer. And he's been doing his show now every day at nine o'clock central time. I've watched him for ten years, every morning. And yesterday he had told all of us that he wasn't going to broadcast his show, he was going to the ER and he posted on Twitter that he was going to personally reach out to Trump through X to get Trump to do something to help him get Kaiser Permanente in California to take some action because his needs were being delayed. And I wanted to let Mark know that your good friend Patrick, soon, Sean.

[B]

Has also helping y.

[J]

He got, he got involved. Now this is Monday at, you know, it's almost 10 o' clock my time and no, that can't be right.

[E]

It doesn't matter Anyway, anyway.

[J]

But RFK Jr got involved. Dr. Oz got involved. I don't know whether Scott's to going to be alive today or not, but it's such a sad situation. And with everything Trump had going on, if I'd had time to research everything that his team is thinking about, I really, I think sometimes characterizing him as someone that doesn't have a heart is unfair. And I've personally had a chance to meet and talk to Trump before he announced he was running for office in 2015. And I got to tell you, he just changed my view completely. And I don't know. And I'm hoping that. Mark, I don't know if you're going to have Patrick on again because I know you're interested in bringing awareness to the friction in the culture of cancer treatment, but it's just so sad for Scott and I'm, you know, we're all just heartbroken.

[B]

Thank you for that, Bethany. Patrick, we'll be back. Dan.

[E]

Yeah. So, Beth, I apologize. I think maybe you misunderstood what I was saying. I'm not saying Trump is heartless as a person on a map. I totally agree with you. He's got a huge heart and he's very attentive to a lot of things, culturally, politically, et Cetera. I was speaking to the issue of inflation where he, one of the things Trump likes to do is project. We're winning and everything is under control. Right. Because as a leader, strength is very important. And so what I think gave the analogy was Joe Biden in his own way, did not want to admit inflation was a problem. He said it was just temporary. It was Covid, everything's under control, it's fine. You should be grateful we're better than the rest of the world, which was true. Trump's inability to kind of acknowledge inflation is still around. It is causing, you know, heartburn for millions of Americans who feel any price increase in their day to day life. To me, and you're seeing this in data, Trump is starting to sound tone deaf on inflation. But I agree with you, he's got a big heart and it served him very well in politics.

[B]

Pat, thank you.

[J]

Thank you.

[D]

I would just tell you, Beth, I was texting with Scott this morning. I, I would, you know, I obviously, I think our thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family as he deals with this. But I will say, just on a personal level, I've seen President Trump personally get involved in a lot of these one on one situations and he will move heaven and earth for individuals in need.

[B]

Beth, thank you. Grateful to you. Barbara, I'm gonna give you the floor for 30 seconds because we're up against time, no pressure. Barbara, did I lose Barbara?

[E]

What happened?

[B]

What did I do there? I lost Barbara. I don't know if you guys.

[D]

By the way, Dean, thank you for putting all those stats in the chat. Just for everyone who's concerned about inflation.

[B]

Yeah, lost Barbara. All right, Sorry, Barbara. Come back tomorrow. Sean, what do you have tonight?

[D]

Tonight we're going to break down the elections and the mood of the country with one of the president's pollsters, Jim McLaughlin. So you want the latest on New Jersey, Virginia, New York too, obviously.

[B]

Okay. Dan, anything you want to report.

[D]

On the mend, on the men?

[E]

That's exactly it.

[B]

Megan McCain, Citizen McCain. Megan's guests are Mary Catherine Ham, but also the Lieutenant Governor of Virginia. Running for governor of Virginia. Win some Sears will join Megan at noon Eastern time here on two way. Please join for that opportunity to ask questions of her. And then at 6 o', clock, I'll also be previewing election night with Republican strategist Matt Gorman. Democrat Steve Elmendorf, two of the smartest people I know about politics. And then don't forget, Tomorrow night at 8 Eastern time, our special election night coverage. Unlike any other with the New York Post. Our partners at the New York post join us 8 o' clock to cover all the races. And again, it'll be like a normal two way. We'll aggregate the coverage from all over the place. We'll also have you a big part of the program, so go to two way TV to register to be part of the program. You can also watch it stream live on YouTube at the New York Post channel as well as ours as well as on the websites. Please join us tomorrow for special election coverage, 8 o' clock Eastern Time here on two way with our partners at the New York Post. Looking forward to that. I'll be joined by Lydia Moynihan and Ricky Schlott of Shot of the Post. So please join us for the coverage. Thank you for being part of two way. The three of us will be back on election day 23 hours from now to preview the whole thing again with more polling, more early vote data, etc. Etc. We look, everybody voted on the panel.

[D]

Have we all voted?

[E]

I'm doing it today.

[B]

Dan's doing today. I'm a journalist, so I don't talk about it. Thank you for asking.

[D]

You actually you can say whether you voted.

[B]

No, I'm like Bob Woodward. I don't believe in it. But everybody, everybody should vote. But political reporters. Oh, but.

[D]

So that's what I'm saying. You don't vote.

[B]

I don't vote. I just think if I'm voting. You know, I was once sitting with George Bush on the plane when he was running for president and he was lobbying Alexandria Pelosi for her vote. And I just, I just find it unseemly to be sitting in judgment of who to who you think is better while you're trying to be fair to everybody. So everybody should vote. I agree. Everybody should vote except for political reporters. That's it. Thank you all for watching. Have a good day. We'll see you tomorrow.