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The Morning Meeting
Trump Trades Insults With Schumer; IRS Eyes Criminal Probes of Funders of Violent, Leftist Groups
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This is it.
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The world as you know it is over. Completely done.
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It's not about to be over.
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It's over.
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Some of the scientists who helped build AI are now sounding the alarm. I was selling AI as a great thing for decades and I was wrong.
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I was wrong.
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There's a longer term existential threat that will arise when we create digital beings that, that are more intelligent than ourselves. We have no idea whether we can stay in control. While others say that AI will usher in unfathomable abundance, I've always believed that it's going to be the most important invention that humanity will ever make.
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This really will be a world of abundance.
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And among these fears and these fantasies, we seek the story of our future. Listen to the last invention on Apple.
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Spotify, Amazon Music, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome in. Thank you for being part of two Way. Apologize for the delay. Have a little power outage that swamped everything we. We've readjusted and we're here for you. So thank you for being part of the experience. Raise your hand.
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Thank you.
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If you want in on the conversation. The president today on what is debate day here in New York City. We'll get that in a minute. The president today is at the White House. Not much on his schedule. He has intelligence briefing at 11 and then makes an announcement at 3. Sean, Dan, either of you know what that announcement is at 3?
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I do not.
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Now.
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Okay. It's in the Oval and it's open to the pool. So we'll see what that is. Full coverage on 2way tonight. JD Vance don't know what he's doing. House remains out. There's another, yet another test vote today to try to open up the government in the Senate. Yet another, another Speaker Johnson press conference at 10. It's become kind of a daily ritual.
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It is. I was gonna say. Yeah, smart.
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He needs to do it.
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Schumer and Patty Murray are holding a call with the press and health care advocates at 11. And the procedural vote on the Defense Appropriations Bill is at 130. That's not expected to pass. It's. It's.
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By the way, that's going to be.
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It might, but I don't think it's going to based on conversation.
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That's a game changer, man.
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Well, I think it may not pass, but I'm going to be curious how close they might come because I think there are a few people who may vote for it.
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Yeah, there'll be. I think there'll be a few. But the Schumer's office doesn't think it's going to pass at least.
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But if it doesn't, I'm telling you, I think that opens up a messaging front that's a gift to us.
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Yeah, yeah, we'll get to that in a second. All right, the debate tonight, Mamdani, Cuomo, Sliwa, the debate itself, it's a little confusing. It's, it's 7 to 9, 7 to 8, it's on WNBC, the local NBC station. They're doing it from Rockefeller center. And then 8 to 9 it's streamed on the websites of Politico, NBC and their third media partner, Delamando. Right, Somebody like that.
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Yes.
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What Spanish language network of some sort. And then we're going to be bracketing it, we'll be bookending it. Pregame show on on two way tonight. Join us six to seven and then in our partnership with the New York Post at 9, at 10 o'. Clock, at 9 o' clock when the debate ends two way tonight at 6 to 7, debate 7 to 8 and then 8 to 9. Two hour debate and then 9 to 10:30. Live from the New York Post newsroom, Dan and I will be joining some of our colleagues from New York Post. A a a a two way style post game show. So please join us. Go to two way TV to sign up. If you want to be part of the conversation, you can also watch it stream on the New York Post website and our website. But please join us. And on YouTube, please join us. It's going to be fun. And uh, it'll be a post game show like no other. I assure you of that. Okay, let's talk about the debate. New ads out. New ads came out last night, this morning for both, for both camps. Sorry, my Bernie Sanders is playing here. Mondavi did a very smart thing. He went on Fox, he apologized, the police, he kind of laid down a bunch of markers about what kind of messaging he wants to do. Dan, the question I hate most that people ask in advance of debates, I'm going to ask you, what does Andrew Cuomo have to do tonight?
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Well, I think, and I think that you saw this with what Mandani did yesterday. It's a battle for Sliwa voters and I think that Cuomo needs to try to cut in. That is more friendly terrain for Cuomo than it is for Mandani. And I think that Cuomo needs to try to cut into Mandani's authenticity style because what you're seeing is kind of some flip flopping and backpedaling by the front runner the last couple months, whether with Jews, with the now, with the police. I think Cuomo needs to go at it and try to bring him down into the mud with Cuomo, Sean, to.
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Me, it's often the case with debates. There's all this focus on the candidates. It's really the moderators. Will the moderators decide? Look, there's a front runner here.
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He.
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He deserves the hardest questions. The bulk of the questions should be about him because there's one guy way ahead. Or will they be asking Andrew Cuomo about nursing home deaths and MeToo and, you know, other. Other things can be both. Well, but would you say they'll lean. I know you. I know you don't. You were in their debate prep. But it's your gut that they're going to lean into more disproportionately hard questions for Mandami or equal.
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They have to. Yeah. I mean, look, I think it's two thirds, one third. I think the third that you give to Cuomo have to be on point. But look, you guys have heard me say this for months, like debates. Just what you're. The question you ask, Dan, is what does Cuomo have to do? He has to light himself on fire. He has to buy a fireworks show. He has to. I mean, there has to be something that someone tomorrow. I mean, this is the. The answer to your question. Something has to happen tonight that is either so drastically great for him or so horrible for Mandami that someone writes about it tomorrow. Because right now, to me, I just don't see. I mean, you. You guys live in this media market where people are hustling and bustling and da, da, da, da. And I just. The few people I talk to in New York about this, everyone's like, yeah, race is over. Like, no one, to the extent they even care. So I think this debate has to go to a DEFCON one before anyone cares.
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Yeah, I think the one thing is, a lot of people, I think, are now going to start paying attention. Like, I think they are. Hustle, bustle, they are all over the place. And now if there's news made, I think people hear the tree fall like I do on either side. Also curious where Sliwa goes. Does Sliwa attack Mandani? Is it a. Is it a double? Does Sliwa attack Mandani? Is it a. Is it a double team? Or does he go at Cuomo tonight, which will be, you know, make his job even harder?
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Yeah, he's as. He's as tactically brilliant as a As a baby kitten.
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But look, I, I think that I, I was, I'll give him credit. I thought he did pretty well yesterday on Martha. I didn't see the whole thing.
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Oh, he did great. Oh, he did okay.
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I'm fine.
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I mean, you're great. Better than I do.
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I'll take everybody. Every. Everybody, everybody. Everybody who expressed an opinion that I heard thought he did great. If he's that, if he's that. If he's that good tonight, the race is over.
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That's. But what I'm saying to you is he went in, we all discussed this yesterday. What did he need to do? I still think it was like, at best, like, I don't think he got anything out of it. I think he proved myself. I can go to Fox. But, you know, again, regardless, he did well yesterday. You say go from well to great, it doesn't matter. But the bottom line is that was a, that was a test for him and he passed. And so if he can come in tonight and get out, skate without any major bruises, he wins.
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Yeah. Good.
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I mean, I thought he might be going on to fire up his base because there's been some grumbling of frustration that he's kind of evolved on some of these issues, but he did the opposite. He's clearly so confident of his base. Kind of like Trump. Right. Which is, I'm going to go make a play for these Sliwa voters and present myself as very moderate because I got no worry about my base. That was interesting, Dan.
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Interesting, because I don't think he was playing for Sliwa voters, I think, but, but I do think he was playing for that. Remember the business community woman that we had on Mark? You know who I'm talking about, the.
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Woman that runs the partnership for New York, Kathy.
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What I saw yesterday was Sliwa saying, guys, I got it. This is not going to be a disaster. I know what your concerns are. We're not going to fire all the cops. I'm toning it down a little.
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You know, I have a, I have a hate, hate relationship now with MAGA over what I say about the guy who could become my mayor. I'm not endorsing his policies, but I'm just a student of his skills and politician. And you people who say, well, he was asked about disarming Hamas and he only said, well, I care about New York City and say, well, that's some sort of mortal crime and it ruined his, his performance. Look at Donald Trump. It doesn't answer questions. He has one answer. It's that's a skillful thing. He pivoted away from something he didn't want to talk about. Would it be better if he would express his position on that and answer the questions? Sure. But the mayor of New York is not in charge of disarming Hamas. So what?
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Well, by the way, they sound like Democrats pulling their hair out.
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Correct.
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A good political athlete. He, he bobs and weaves. So does Mandani. He's a good political athlete.
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So we'll see what happens tonight. It's going to be interesting again. Please join us, Dan and myself and our colleagues from the New York Post at 9 o' clock Eastern Time on. On. If you want to be part of the conversation, please go to Two Way TV and register. If you'd like to watch it on YouTube, on the post channel or on channel on the websites of the organizations, you can do that. It's going to be fun. We say conversations like no other. You've never seen a post game show like this. Please join us. Okay, the shutdown we talked about a little bit already. Wall Street Journal has a great story today. My hat's off them. I continue to say they're doing the best political journalism of any newspaper in the country consistently. They've got a piece very systematic breakdown, like the seven reasons why the shutdown is sustaining. It's great, not like pathbreaking, but very methodical. Very, very big breakdown. And, and yet John Thune this morning didn't interview his first interview with MSNBC since becoming majority leader. And, and he said, sure, we can talk about health care. Like this is what's confusing to me, Sean. We know what the deal is. We know what the deal is. It's going to be no prom. No, no, you know, promise of anything but end the shutdown and then let's figure out health care. What's going to unstick this to a president getting involved.
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So this is the funny thing about that question. What's the president like the president's going to go, I would like to re offer you the offer that Thune made you. Would you like to take it? Like there's nothing to get. I mean, to me the only difference is how many, you know, do you allow because it's the Senate, for example. I mean, what's the they call it with the amendment tree? I mean, like what is how many amendments time in the scope of what you allow or you agree to the discussion to be. But like there's not that many variables to discuss. Right. So yeah, I don't.
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Right.
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No, well, yes, but, but it's, you know, are they asking for a vote with no guardrails? Like, you can't limit our discussion on this amendment. Free for all.
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I mean, yeah, I agree, but the three of us could work that out in about 20 seconds.
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But see, here's the. So here's the question. Like this. To me, what you're asking is exactly like, I don't know why I always say to people, do you remember there's.
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A.
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Moment in what's the Austin Powers? And Scott Evil is looking at. They've got the sharks and the lasers. And he says, I'll just go kill him right now. And he says, no, no, no, we'll wait. And it's like, you don't wait. Like, take. Why is no one asking the Democrats just give us exactly what you want. Is it a vote? Because you can't get. You can't get a commit. You can't get a guarantee. Those are other people's votes. Right. So smoking out what the ask is to me is still so funny that no one's got them to say on paper, write it down. We'll take it to Thune and show it to them. Because they keep getting. It becomes more and more amorphous. We want more money for this. We want this and this and this. It's not just about health care anymore. I mean, come on.
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I disagree. I think it's not Thune they're worried about. It's the fact that Speaker Johnson refuses to agree to allow a vote on the ACA credits. That's the game. So Trump's got to go to Johnson and say, we're going to do this, and the Duma will salute.
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I agree with that, too. All right, we'll keep talking about this. It's going to come up. Okay. Lots going on still with Israel and Gaza. White House officials did a lot of briefing yesterday of reporters and laid out their view of things a little bit more. The conversation about what the peacekeeping force would look like, but still tons of ambiguity there. Still a lot of ambiguity about Israel being very bellicose in its language, saying if we don't get the bodies back and if Hamas doesn't disarm, we will do this. And I still believe when the president said, we will disarm them, he really meant Israel rather.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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We will allow them to be disarmed.
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Exactly.
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So, so this is a, this is a, a evolving situation. And, and, and here's my question. You know, we're waiting for the bodies to be returned and Hamas now says they need equipment to find some of the bodies. We're waiting to see what the peacekeeping force looks like. We're waiting to see. There's lots of talk about maybe they'll rebuild parts of Gaza where it's easier to build, and those will be like the good parts and that'll, you know, be like. What do you call that? There's urban enterprise zone.
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Like an enterprise zone, 90s term.
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Yeah. And then, and then there's some other moving parts. But what's. What, where's, where's time the enemy of this. Dan. Where. What's, what's. Where's time the enemy of this, rather than just it can play out like what's. Where's the pressure? Is there any mark.
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We're on YouTube now.
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Great.
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Welcome to the YouTube Body. But we don't, but we don't have elements. Right. We're just on YouTube. So you want me to assume my YouTube text. More of my YouTube.
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Okay.
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You want me to assume more of my YouTube voice? What, what, what does it matter? Welcome our YouTube audience.
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Late.
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Welcome. Sorry we were late. YouTube audience, we're glad to have you here. You can go later, watch the whole show. If you didn't like. If you didn't like what you missed, you missed some great stuff. Dan. Juggled Sean did card. Card tricks and I used my more intimate two way platform voice. But now I'm using my YouTube voice. Dan, where's the. Is. Where's the. Is there anything that's. Where there's time pressure, where there's like.
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A ticking clock, where, yes, this is as old as. As time itself. Who controls the streets? And right now it sure sounds like Hamas is racing to reestablish in the vacuum we control Gaza. They're executing people who supposedly collaborated with Israel. The problem is if they get that toehold back now you're not trying to fill what is a blank slate. You have to dislodge them. You have to take them back out.
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Can I, can I push back on that gentle and friendly and collegiate smack again? I'm not, I'm not celebrating any loss of human life. But if a bunch of how Hamas thugs are killing a bunch of their enemies and probably vice versa. I mean, they're doing the work that needs to be done to some extent. They're.
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No, those are the people who collaborated with Israel, who, Who presumably are moderate.
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Some of it. Some of it, sure, you're right about that. But I'm just saying, like, I get that. That's not. It's I get what you're saying, but I'm just saying, like, they're, they're, they're just playing stuff out. There's no threat to the deal.
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Let's play this out. Let's say that they start standing a government up in some capacity to deliver some sort of.
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I'm starting to interrupt, but that's not happening anytime soon.
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Why?
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I mean, I mean, Tony Blair might try to stand something up, but there's going to be no organic government anytime soon because.
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No, that's not true. It's, it's, it's, it's the law of the jungle. If I have the gun and I control the corner, I control the government. I mean, that's the. So it's just like Iraq, right? We went in there, we, we disbanded everything. We knocked it, and then we looked around and said, who's in charge? And Iran and everyone funneled in people and they just started standing up Fear year. So then you have to dislodge them.
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I take your point, but I, I still think, I still don't think that's urgent today, Sean, is, I just don't, I think it's important in the next month, but I don't think it's urgent today, Sean.
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So, I mean, but Mark, then your job is harder because you have to then redefeat them.
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I think they're burning themselves out, Sean.
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I mean, the only thing I think that matters is like I, I was actually. And again, we're seeing this from afar, but when Hamas said, hey, it's not that we're not turning over bodies, we need equipment, I thought that was a positive thing, meaning it looks at least like they're trying. So to you, to answer your question, I think is where the accusations ramp up, where you're not keeping up your end of the bargain is where we, and so far it looks like appearance wise, people are trying to do that, which is a helpful thing. It's until that point which one side starts saying the other, you're not fulfilling the terms of this agreement. And I know there's a little on the periphery of this, but that's where the enemy becomes. Where one side says, forget it, we're walking, you know, you're not doing it.
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Let me ask this question. Don't need to give me a long answer because we got to get to other topics. But Israel's again being very bellicose. Israel's saying, you know, if Hamas doesn't disarm, we're going in. If that happens, how does the world react? Does the world say condemn Israel or does it? World? Yes. The world doesn't say Hamas didn't live up to its end of the bargain. So thank you, Israel.
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It has to be egregious. I mean, if Hamas. That's why I'm saying Hamas is trying. If they stop, if it gets too much, I think, and Israel jumps the shark, as they say. I think that's the problem. Israel can't look too aggressive without like a corall corollary of provocation. Like, it can't, like, hey, we think this.
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Dan.
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I don't, I mean, I think it depends how, how bad it is. Again, I mean, it. If, if they go in and they take out some Hamas, you know, people with guns, I don't think it's as big of a deal. But if civilians start getting killed and you start setting up perimeter zones and driving people out again, then the world says, here we go, we're spiraling right back down.
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I just hope they fast track the, the peace force. That would be good. All right, China, Scott Besant, very bellicose in some ways yesterday, but, but once again, he's both good cop and bad cop. And we're all just looking towards the meeting in a couple weeks, which is as of now, still on. Dan, if you were Scott Besson's chief of staff, what would you want to have happen between now and the meeting? What would be like on your to do list to kind of tee up the meeting.
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At this point, I think it doesn't get worse. Just try to keep this where it is. Get people to stop making comments or making sharp moves. I think is the best you can do because China does not want to lose face right now. And they got the White House. They caught them by surprise and they were unapologetic about it.
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Sean, you want an agenda start to lay that agenda out. Have it agreed to at the deputies level to get the vice premier to sign off on what is going to be discussed, what initial steps you want to make at Alzan. So you want to have a work plan. Especially with China, they're very, they don't tend to like that kind of stuff. So sort of an agreement on what the items are that are going to be discussed, what deliverables need to come out and what we can close before they actually meet.
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Okay.
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China usually likes to have everything scripted. So like that, that is the one good thing. They don't like surprises at all.
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They, they, they don't, they don't follow.
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Through on anything scripted. Yeah, yeah.
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Yesterday the president asserted that India had agreed to stop buying Russian oil. As far as I know, when I last checked, the Indians had not confirmed that. Sean, do you think this is happening or this is a. Trump. Trump.
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I was, I was a little shocked when he made that comment about Modi, but it was, it was also done in a very glowing way. Like, he's, he's my friend and he wants to do this and he said he's doing it, But.
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But you think it's happening or not?
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I. I don't.
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Yeah, I don't either. Dan Dame.
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No.
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Yeah. Okay. We'll see. Wall Street Journal has a story today that says Scott Besant and others at the irs, Scott Besant is acting IRS Commissioner, are rejiggering the way the investigative unit there works with the expressed intent to go after some of these liberal groups, Soros, etc. By using the powers of the IRS to target the President's political enemies. The IRS, of course, has long been considered back to the Nixon years, a very hot, hot tripwire, hot button, whatever you want to call it, that involving the IRS in political activity is, Is long been. There's been a bipartisan consensus that that's particularly dangerous. Now, do I need to say the words Lerner and Lois? I do not. Because you're all familiar with the fact that it appears that this was done by a Democratic administration previously. One of many areas where, as with the prosecutions of the President's political enemies, where people on the right say, guys, you did this already. Your rhetoric about how outrageous this is applies to your very own activities. So in this story in the Journal, there's no explanation, on point explanation from the people at the IRS or the White House about, is there, is the reporting correct? And the sourcing in the story is very oblique. Some of it could be liberal career officials. Some of it could be, you know, people who are unhappy with whatever. Like, there's not a lot of clarity about where this is coming from. And I suspect just based on how the world works, that the story is overwritten. Nonetheless, we should all be very on guard for any administration to use the IRS for political purposes. Dan, is this something that's, that's, you know, going to disappear and never come up again, or is this a serious issue because they're really going to do it and everybody needs to understand how they're using the irs.
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I think it's a serious issue. I think they will do it. I think when the Lewis Lerner came out, Congress jumped on it like white on rice, held hearings, demanded more information sent out, subpoenas this Congress will salute, they will simply be mute.
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And I know maybe the courts.
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Yeah. I mean, we haven't talked about it, but there was a quote, I think it was in the Wall Street Journal this weekend in which the White House laughed that the Congress is the doom of the Russian parliament that just does whatever the heck Putin wants. That is, I've never heard somebody talk about their own party as a subservient lapdog like that. Again, I think one of the best messages Democrats have is check and balance. I mean, it's, it's crazy how blatant Trump is getting of like, yeah, we're doing this.
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Yeah.
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And you, and you. Yeah.
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Sean, you know the Gail Sers book. I am third.
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You know that I do not.
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Okay, well, in, in, in your life. I know it's a faith, family, and then freedom. I know you love freedom. Maybe third, but I know you love freedom. How alarmed are you by the prospect that a government would use the powers of the IRS to punish political enemies?
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I mean, like going after pro life groups and Second Amendment groups.
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I mean, companies bothered by, bothered by that.
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But you could also look, right. So here's what I would say. I know just as a side note, and I. There was some issues. Trump appointed Billy Long, a former congressman from Missouri, and there was some issue with whether or not Billy Long, who has now been appointed some ambassadorship somewhere.
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He, he wasn't, he wasn't Long for the job. But I'm. Boom.
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Yeah, go ahead.
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I, So I do know that there was a bit of discussion about whether he was willing to do the, the task at hand. Yes, I am concerned, I do believe, because I don't like, I, you know, again, I feel like the 8th grader inside of me that says, well, you started it. But I don't like the IRS being weaponized for a million reasons because I know what the left will do. That being said, I mean, look, if groups like George Soros and a bunch of these guys have done stuff inappropriate, obviously it's appropriate to look at them and if there's a reason that they haven't been looked at. But I think weaponizing them, weaponizing these tools is something that I always worry about because I sort of have the long term view of like, okay, what happens again? The one thing I would say is this goes back to like everything that we talk about, though, which is we as Republicans constantly have sat back and said, well, okay, it wasn't right when they did it. We should be the better ones. And I get the problem is is that we do it on issue after issue. And, And I think that there's a frustration, rightly so, on the right, which is, why are we the ones that always have to be the better angels and say, okay, we'll stop it here. You guys look into pro life groups. You go after Second Amendment groups and companies. But we should be the ones that say, enough's enough. Right. We should be the ones that say, okay, gosh, it's wrong to weaponize the judicial system. It's wrong to break the filibuster, to do certain, you know, just to advance an agenda. I get it. I'm so. I. There's too many times when you feel like you're the only. You're defending being the better person. Every time.
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I think the one thing that is.
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Don'T you feel so horrible for the Republicans that they're constantly having to just do?
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They never do anything, but they never.
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Do anything wrong first.
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Right. The one thing that does appear to be new is we've never had a president overtly sit there with people in the room and instruct them in public to go get somebody and go do.
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This might be nice. At least it's in public.
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There you go. I mean, that's like the whole thing about Trump's crime, corruption, that one of their GOP talking points is, well, he's out in the open about it. I think it was Mike Johnson and it was like, okay, again, just when Democrats are in office, if Kamala Harris had sat there at a press conference with her AG and FBI director and said, boy, they better go get this person and that person. I mean, it's amazing.
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A
All right, a couple more topics and then to your questions. So please, if you want to be in the conversation, raise your hand. Pentagon press corps has left the building like Elvis, and. And now they're trying to cover the building from outside the building. I don't know. You can ask people to meet you at the Starbucks and the food court. So. So first question, Sean. I've been there. I've been in the, that, that press area. Only once in my career is it possible to cover the building without being inside the building. Like, what kind of access do they have? They don't really have much access. They can't walk around.
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C
Let me, let me back up just a second. And I'm being serious for both of you. Have you ever been to pick your other department, agency to Health and Human Services?
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A
I've been to most of them.
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C
Okay, good. Can you walk into any of them?
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A
No. You have very Little, very little access.
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C
Correct.
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A
You have to be escorted.
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C
Correct?
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A
Yeah.
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C
So the Department of Defense just. I say that because people need to understand what happens here.
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E
So.
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C
So at the Pentagon, when you apply for a press badge and get credentialed, you get a badge, it's a different color than. Well, now everyone wears a cat car, but that's neither here nor there. So you get a colored badge and you can walk pretty much anywhere you want. Okay. Obviously, when you go into a particular office, if they have a scif, a secure room, just like any other military or civilian or contractor, you have to be cleared to go into that particular room. But when I worked on the Joint Staff or the Office of Secretary of Defense or even in Chief, you can literally, a reporter can walk into the office, sit down next to your desk.
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A
I thought it was a little. I thought it was a little more limited than it used to be. Is that not the case?
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C
No. So that's one of the policies that the Secretary and his team are saying, is that you have to be escorted, which frankly, remember, in any other building when you go to Health and Human Services or Education, you can't. Yeah, right. So now it's saying you don't have free reign. You can still go to the food court, by the way, which is downstairs, but you can't just willy nilly walk around the building. The controversial piece, as I understand it. And by the way, I'm literally reading the updated policy right now because it says, to be clear, these regulations are the laws and regulations that apply to military members and DoD civilian contractors. Members of the news media are not required to submit written writings to the Department of War for approval. The that this is the actual policy that's been submitted. I don't think that what you're reading, what the news report news media is reading, is actually what the policy is. The exact policy.
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A
I have to. I have to pull you out of the weeds. I apologize for pulling you out of the weeds. Is how is this going to end? Are the reporters going to come back or are we going to have.
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C
I don't think so. I don't think they can. Look, bottom line is the big controversy is you can't go in and take classified information the same way that a military member or a department or contractor. If you're getting access to a building, you can't violate the law.
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A
Right. But Dan, why are so many news organizations not willing to abide by this?
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B
Because the idea that you can't talk to people without express kind of permission from the government is no, in the.
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C
Building, by the way. In the building.
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A
Yeah, but that's how reporting happens.
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B
That, that is bonkers. I mean that is like maybe it's a point of agreement with China. Like, great, we're both going to just control our press.
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A
Dan, there's three options. The Pentagon no longer has a press corps, the administration changes the policy, or the news organization's cave, which is going to happen.
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B
I think there will quietly be a deal worked out. I mean, look, this isn't just the New York Times or Washington Post. This is Newsmax, Fox News. Like this is like across the board other than. I think it's only the on network. I think one America is the only one that signed. Everyone else is like, no, I will.
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C
Say here's what I want to flesh out. But again, I'll get out of the weeds. What that you know of, of the policy is objectionable. Just tell me that, that I have.
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B
To get permission to talk to people within the building. When people in the Pentagon leaked about how dysfunctional the Afghanistan withdrawal was, was that bad.
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C
But they don't have to get permission. You can't walk in. No, no, you cannot walk into any building in the United.
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A
It's, it's objectional. It's also objectional to put a blanket ban on publishing information that might be in the public interest news organization in this country. Show remarkable deference and my, in my view, sometimes excessive deference to the federal government when they say don't publish this because it jeopardizes national security, as you know. Well, Sean, things are over classified like crazy in our government, so to say to New York, to say to news organizations, we will decide what you can publish.
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C
But I just read you the policy that says here is required to submit their writings to the Department of War.
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A
No pre publication review is different than saying you are required to sign a document saying you won't publish classified material.
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C
Hold on, hold on. Just again, remember there's a difference. If I, if I don't, if I want to stand outside the Pentagon or pick up the phone and call every source, which is what you do at every other department. Okay, Every other department, you pick up the phone, hey, meet me at the Starbucks. I'll call you on your thing. I'll text you on signal. That's normal reporting. The idea that the Pentagon right now current policy is you get to come into our building, you get to walk around free rent.
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A
It's not Pete Hegset's building. It's belongs to the people of the United States.
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C
So does it Every other building. Why can't they walk into hhs?
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B
It's not about walking. We're debating the wrong.
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A
I agree. It's not about walking. But, Sean, when. When, When Pete Hag says. Says it's not a right to cover the Pentagon, it's.
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C
No, that's not what he said.
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A
He did say it. He did say it. He did say it. He said, you have no right to cover the Pentagon. It's a privilege. That is to say that it's a privilege to exercise on behalf of the public interest the ability to cover what a department that lies to the American people under Democrat and Republican administrations, habitually and historically. To say that it's a privilege to be able to cover the Pentagon is bullshit.
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B
And by the way, of all the policies.
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A
I'm sorry. Of all the policies that the Pentagon and this entire administration has put forward that have been criticized as antithetical to the First Amendment or American traditions, this is truly one of the worst. And it will not stand. I, Although I believe that, you know, most of the things where the press predicts this will not stand because it's violating norms, this one will not stand. And as Dan pointed out, it will not stand because no serious news organization could accept this. And by the way, it's not about the rights of the press or the privileges of the press. It's the ability of the American people to be confident that the press will hold accountable the Department of Defense was. Which kills people and spends a ton of our tax money and is now running free with no reporters in the building. Dan.
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B
Well, and I'll just say, broadly speaking, it is not just the Pentagon. Right. Sean, you probably agree, and Mark, I know you do, having been in the game so long, government lies, government cheats, government does things they're not supposed to do. The idea that. And this is like one of the Trump talking points, treat us well and trust us like you should never trust your government. This is from a Democrat who spent a lot of time in government. I would not trust them.
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C
I just want to be clear on my.
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B
And it's outrageous, which is.
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C
Look, I am a believer in a free press. I've pressed that holds people accountable, especially our government. Because I, I don't even just believe whether it's Republican or Democrat. I believe that the bureaucracy is a problem regardless of administration. Should be.
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B
And leaders.
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C
Right. And the Department of Defense in terms of the volume of money and authority and.
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B
Absolutely.
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C
But where I think this is, again, missing the point is there is a difference between the ability to cover and to have freedom to write whatever you want, which I am a staunch defender of. And the ability to say, you get to come into our house. I don't get to go to the ap. I can't even go to, you know, any. Like the idea that you're saying you can come into our building, have free reign and access to all this your building?
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B
It's our building.
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A
Our building, Sean.
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C
Sure. Here's what.
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A
Go in here.
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C
Name another building.
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A
Here's what. Here's what Pete Heg, Seth tweeted. Pentagon access is a privilege, not a right. So here.
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C
Access.
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A
Yeah, it is. It's not.
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B
Not.
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C
Oh, my God.
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B
Not credentialed press.
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A
No longer permitted to solicit criminal acts.
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B
Sean, you sound like the White House Correspondents Association. Yeah, you say that you have a.
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C
Privilege to go into any. A right to go into any government building.
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B
Are you kidding me? They're all the people's houses.
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C
Okay, let's go open them all up.
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A
They are. All right, one more time. One more topic. And then. And then to your questions, if you want the conversation, please.
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B
I happen to love America.
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A
Yeah, I believe I love America. And I know that during times of war, and we're in a bunch of wars right now, undeclared, by the way. The Pentagon lies. That's. That's. History shows that happened in Vietnam. It's happened in every war since. The Pentagon lies. And if you don't. When it's not a separate discussion. Because if you scale back the ability of the white. Of the Pentagon press corps to cover the building, to expose lies, you do damage in danger to our democracy and the credibility of the military. That's what they're doing. Okay, the group chat story. JD Vance continues to be very aggressive, saying he doesn't give a wit about some group texts of young people because young people say irresponsible things. And you know that he has no time for this. When the Democrats haven't denounced their attorney general candidate in Virginia and the story did jump to the New York Times. I think the New York Times has two stories about it today, if I'm not mistaken. Dan, is the story over even though it jumped to the New York Times, or is it going to continue?
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B
I do think it's over because there's nothing new to really add to it. And I think JD Vance is not helping himself nor the Republican Party by trying to defend this.
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A
Always helping himself, people love.
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B
No, he's helping himself with the base. He is not helping himself. When you think about JD's, in my opinion, you fail the common sense test when you keep saying this is no big deal.
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A
Yeah. Sean, is it over?
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C
It's over unless another shoe drops, right? I mean, so far. And the funny thing is, I will say this in terms of accountability, at least the reporting that I've seen. Many of these individuals have lost their jobs. And again, I'm fine. I find what they said to be offensive and wrong. So I don't. I'm not here. But the irony is, and yet, to the Vice President's point, we're potentially going to elect a person in Virginia that no one will denounce to be their top law enforcement officer who wanted to kill the speaker of the House. I mean, you want to talk about irony? A bunch of young.
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B
The voters will decide that. Voters will decide.
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C
And they will decide that after a bunch of Democrats like Nancy Pelosi refused to weigh in on it.
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B
Pathetic Dems failed the common sense test there. And J.D.
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A
All right, time for questions. We'll bring people in, we'll ask them, tell us where they are and what's on their mind. And our first community member is strolling through New York Central Park. And I know what's his mind. He thinks the Pentagon press corps is a bunch of babies. It's not Judith Gray, ladies and gentlemen. It's Newsmax WABC superstar Greg Kelly. Greg.
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C
Former, by the way, and former Navy pilot.
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A
Yeah, former Navy pilot and ex. Extremely rugged, handsome man. Just objectively the case. I love. I love seeing Greg without makeup. It just. It just always makes me feel vibrant and alive. Greg Kelly, welcome in. Do you want to trash. Do you want to trash me for defending the right of the press corps on behalf of the American people to cover the Pentagon? Is that what you want to talk about?
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E
Great idea. I was a Marine pilot. A huge difference. Hello.
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C
Yeah. Well, no division. It's a division.
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E
Yeah, look, there are reporters. It would actually ultimately be to the advantage of reporters to cover the military from outside the building. There is this erroneous kind of notion that everything happens inside the building. It's basically a TV studio. Traditionally, though, why they have the escorts is. And I work in the building as an officer in the Marines and as a journalist, it's just geographically a pain in the neck to retrieve journalists one at a time and escort them anywhere. It was entirely too permissive. And Mark, yes, the military lies, but so does the media. I just. When you say, oh, they will hold the military accountable, nobody buys that anymore. They have disgraced themselves so many times.
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A
Yeah, I want them to do better, too. Greg, I want them to do better.
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E
Too, but let's face it.
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A
Yeah, Greg, let me give you an example. Right now, the U. S. Military is killing people on boats with the allegation that they're drug smugglers. We don't have any idea what's going on. We don't know who's on the boats. It's not a declared war. It's just the president's ordering the Pentagon to kill people with no due process.
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B
And by the way, they're not sharing it in classified briefings. According to Democrats and Republicans on Capitol Hill, they are not sharing much of any information on this.
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A
So, Greg, don't you think the press corps, if it was doing its job well, would be trying to get to the bottom of that and hold them accountable? It's an extraordinary use of presidential power. And the Pentagon.
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E
Presidential power was used to invade a country or weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist, and the press corps went along with it. So they're not the antidote here. And there are other ways to cover the Pentagon and pursue these questions rather than walking all over a building. Now, it's not unreasonable for these reporters.
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A
I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt. Dan and I are less focused on walking over all over the building than we are in the notion that you can't publish classified information.
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B
No.
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C
You can't solicit it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
You can't talk to people. Right. Without permission. Right.
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A
Yeah, yeah, that's. That's part of how we hold powerful interests accountable to the public interest.
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E
No, actually, look, you do that, you're breaking the law.
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A
Was it breaking the law to publish. Was it breaking the law to publish the Pentagon Papers? Yeah, it was. Yeah. So would you. Would you. Would you have been against that if you were. If you were in the Washington Post or the New York Times, would you have said, no, we shouldn't?
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E
Yeah, as you know, that was all the way up to the Supreme Court.
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A
It was. But I'm asking you, as a journalist, do you think that was a good moment for American journalism or bad?
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E
Number one, I don't like journalists. Different things, different people.
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B
I can't hear you.
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C
Yeah, Greg, you need to.
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A
Greg, Greg, your. Your audio is not great.
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B
I mean, I'll. Greg, another question. Was it bad that the Pentagon, that people in the Pentagon leaked about how dysfunctional the Biden withdrawal was from Afghanistan, should that have seen the light of day?
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E
You didn't have to be in the Pentagon to know that.
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B
Right.
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E
You didn't need to be in the Pentagon to know that I know it. I have a separate. In the Pentagon.
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B
Okay. All right. I mean, that's interesting that you think that they should. That they should have all been prosecuted.
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C
What was classified about any of that?
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D
Yes.
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E
And by the way, look, if you're.
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A
Willing to go ahead.
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E
If you're willing.
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A
Greg, I'm sorry, we're having trouble with your audio.
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C
Greg, apparently you need to get Judith a new phone for Christmas.
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A
Get Judith a new phone. Greg, thank you. We loved having you on, even though everything you said was a bunch of bollocks. I say respectfully with peace, love and understanding. Andrew, welcome in. Tell folks who don't know where you are what's on your mind for Sean and Dan.
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D
Oh, I'm from Durham, North Carolina, and the term that you just used, Mark, is one of my favorites.
- [42:57]
C
So by the accent that you're a North Carolinian.
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A
Never mind the Sex. Never mind the Sex Pistols.
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D
Oh, yes. But no, I did want to say, Marc, first of all, your monologue on Barry Weiss, like, I am a free presser. And just like going back from her first, whenever she started doing her Honestly podcast, for instance, her first story was on a Palestinian refugee who came from Kuwait. He built a business in Minneapolis. He grew it to the tens of millions. I think he hired about two. He had a employee base of about 200 people. And during the, the riots, for instance, there was, I think his daughter. So, like they unearthed some text messages or not text messages, tweets that were sort of like pretty deplorable. But that kind of had a really big ramification on his business. And it was just based on Survivor, who Barry Wise is. And I don't always agree with the content from the Free Press. That's the whole point. And the same thing with the two way platform is trying to understand people from different sides and the stories of getting to the, the context behind it. And that's kind of where I drew from the Free Press and drew from Barry Wise is it's not just a lot of stories nowadays are very just reactionaries, but there's no real context behind it. It's like taking the time. So I understand the news, the media, how it has to be instant gratification. However, just so by understanding sort of like the people behind the stories, even for people I don't like, they did a piece on Carl Rittenhouse. Understanding that story in more detail, I don't agree with.
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A
Hold on one second. I want to let John and Dane comment on what you said so far.
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C
Sean I'm just doing. So are you trying to, like, is the, is the notion about where the free. Pratt. I'm still trying to understand, like, what is it?
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B
That's a question.
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C
What's the question?
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D
I, I, I guess, I guess my, it was more just saying from what Mark was like, insinuating with, with his piece, that it's going to be a good thing for CBS moving forward just to have people from both sides. And I agree. So, like, I guess my, that was kind of like my, my first point, my, my second point, which I've been kind of like, thinking about over the last few weeks, is creating some, like some sort of national unity here. What, what is your opinion on creating, or would it be a viable or a popular opinion to create a mandatory national service here in, in the US it's not so, like, not something like a military service, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's say so, like, you're 18, you finish high school.
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C
Yeah, so, so, so I'll take the first one first. Look, I think the thing that's so fascinating to me about Bari Weiss and her journey, at her core, at least as far as I know, she's still fairly liberal. And yet because she just was willing to ask certain questions that I think were common sense, she gets painted as contrarian, like a rightist. I don't know Bari. I'm fascinated by her. I frankly admire what she's done business wise, and I like just the idea that she's willing to engage and ask questions. And so I don't think that, I think she, and again, I say this, admittedly not knowing her or her entire journey, but as far as I know, she hasn't really changed her core of who she is ideologically, but she was willing to entertain alternative voices, and I admire that. So I think that it's a healthy thing for CBS or for anyone, and I hope it's a good thing. I mean, just from a business standpoint, I think CBS will welcome that. I am a big believer that I think the country would benefit from national service of some sort for a million reasons. So I think we could figure out what that would be. And this is where, again, the devil's always in the detail about how that looks. But I think that you could do, you know, a year, like a year of military service, Peace Corps service, I would like it to stick at that level. Meaning, I think the problem is when you get down to like a bunch of people saying, hey, if you go, you know, and I'm not being pejorative on this, But I'm saying like someone say like, oh, you could go work for a Soros organization. That loses the point. You need to do something that serves the country and buys us into the country. So I would argue maybe a third option. Again, I'm not a big fan.
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B
America or something.
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C
That's where I draw the. See, again, it's Teach for America to me is about like, I like the.
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B
Peace Corps about helping kids.
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C
I know I do like kids and babies, but I think that I would like to keep it very high level on the country. Right. So maybe an infrastructure problem where it's like you do a trades thing where you go and you work on a, on a bridge or Tennessee Valley Authority reservation or something like that, that helps the greater good as opposed to, you know, any or a national project. So I would love to see this. I think we would benefit tremendously and I think it buys in the next generation of America and what it means to be a citizen at a, at a much higher level.
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A
Dan.
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B
Totally agree with Sean and on the first point, I'll just say I. It has baffled me the last few years that given that the failing of the current business model of all these news organizations, whether it's cnn, msnbc, the, you know, mainstream organizations, and you're so narrowly focused in your audience, why would you not try to appeal to both sides and bring in a bigger audience? I just, it baffles me.
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A
Yeah, I don't get it. Andrew, thank you. Great topic. Very grateful to you. Thank you so much. All right, Drew. Drew, welcome in. Thank you for being part of Two Way Unmute. Tell folks who don't know where you are what's on your mind for our gust.
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B
Oh, Mally.
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A
The morning meeting.
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F
Good morning, gentlemen.
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A
Zoo crew.
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B
Morning.
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A
Yes, sir.
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E
Good morning.
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F
I have to say, first time, long time and love each and every one of you individually. Dan, I'm, I'm a staunch Republican, but I absolutely love you. I think.
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B
Oh, thank you.
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F
I think that you are the type of voice that we need more of in this world.
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B
Thank you.
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F
So last night I'm just jumping around. Last night I watched the CNN town hall. I also watched Newsmax and I have to say at Newsmax, I thought Veteran was tremendous.
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C
News Nation News Station.
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A
Excuse me, News Station. You're right.
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F
I thought he was tremendous during. I thought he was tremendous during the broadcast. And again, you know, who would have thought that he would be probably the most reasonable voice in the Democratic Party. I mean, I, I just did.
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A
I did not see that. It's quite, it's quite a story arc.
- [50:06]
F
It really is.
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B
Who is that you're referencing?
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C
Stage and really talked about why he, I mean, it was, it was actually a really interesting conversation he had.
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F
Yeah, yeah, I, I thought he touched all the bases. You know, I've been thinking more and more about 2028. And yeah, again, when you see what AOC was saying last night about drinking air and that Deloitte was poisoning rivers, we need her to be the face of the Democrats in 2028. And the ultimate ticket would be her and Jasmine Crockett. They are two national treasures that must be, must be protected at all costs. I personally will take a bullet for either one of them to make sure they are safe going forward.
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A
Dan.
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F
And on the Republican side, JD's fabulous. And thinking about who a possible running mate for him would be. It would be one of your best friends, Megyn Kelly.
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C
I can't.
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F
She would be the most incredible vice president. His, his right hand person again, I know she has young children or whatever, but she, she would be, she would be the first female president in 2036. I mean, I think that she is.
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C
Absolutely.
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A
It'd be a bit of Drew, It'd be a bit of a pay cut. Dan.
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B
I was just going to say, could she, well, Trump change things? She'll just keep doing it. From the, from the, from the Naval Observatory. I, look, I, I do think AOC is going to run. I do think our party needs to have this debate about issues and style and like, we shouldn't fear it, we should embrace it. We should see what emerges. Who am I to say, you know, AOC can never, never be successful? I would have said that about Trump in 2015 when he, based on the substance of what he was talking about, I didn't think it was particularly popular. Turned out it was genius. I think that one of the fascinating stories Sean and I were talking about this before we came on air is there's a story, I think, in Axios about Democrats looking to take out Fetterman. And it's remarkable because we keep talking about Trump expanding the tent, bringing in RFK and Tulsi Gabbard and going after black men and Latinos and everything. And here we are trying to run out the most popular politician in Pennsylvania, the ultimate swing state, because he doesn't check all the right boxes. And that says how dysfunctional we are right now as a coalition.
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C
It was funny he said that, like, he goes, I vote because Bill O'Reilly questioned him and said, you know, why are you a Democrat? He goes, I Vote with the Democrats over 90 something percent of the time, he goes, I just. And that's, you know, it's the same thing with Bob Casey back in the day.
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B
Right?
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C
There's one or two issues and suddenly you're not good enough.
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D
Yeah.
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Drew, thank you. Grateful to you. Thanks for being part of Two Way for your kind words. And here is Brennan. Who? Brennan. You're gonna have to be quick because we're up against the clock. So maybe make it true, false, whatever it is. But thank you for being here your.
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B
First time, long time.
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E
Thank you for calling me.
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A
Thank you, sir. I will just say something I'd like.
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You to ask some of your guests is who is their favorite political person.
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C
Dead or alive in American history?
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A
Okay.
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C
In classic Markel profession, all of you three give the answer and then I.
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E
Will give the correct answer at the end.
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A
Okay.
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D
Brandon.
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A
Thank you for that, Sean. So who's the person we like the most? Is that what you said?
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E
Just who is your favorite political person?
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A
Favorite political person in history, Sean.
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C
Oh, God, this is a great question.
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A
I mean, I'm taking Lincoln off the table.
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B
Yeah.
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C
I don't. I mean, I find. I mean, I know this sounds trite, but I actually find Trump the most fascinating. This, I mean, to Dan's point, like, this idea that, like, he's the first person that wasn't a general or an elected official and how he approached government. I mean, I. I don't know, I might. I might stick with Trump.
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A
Okay. Dan says what?
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Yeah, I'll go along the lines. Teddy Roosevelt, because he, he went after Trump like he went against what people thought was you. You could do. Taking on powerful interests unapologetically similar to Trump. Just, you know, I'm gonna swim upstream and try to stop me. I got the people behind me.
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A
Yeah, I'm going with Elvis. I'm going with Elvis. Brandon, what's the correct answer?
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Is Cash is Marcellus Clay.
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A
Cash's play is a great answer.
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B
Oh, wow.
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A
Yeah, it's a great answer. Similar.
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B
Right. Going against what you thought you could do. Yep.
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A
Yeah. It's not as good as Elvis, but it's pretty good. Brandon, thank you.
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C
The person who was alive for the Civil War, not the boxer.
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A
Yes. Yeah, I got it. Thank you, sir. Have a great day. And thanks for being part of Two Way. Sean, what do you have tonight?
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C
That's Thursday. So we got a big panel we're going to. I mean, a lot, a lot to break down because a lot of fun stuff today. Tony Katz, our Indianapolis correspondent, Ashley Branson from The Daily Caller and Jessica Anderson who leads the Sentinel Action fund.
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A
All right, 4:00 clock today, Dan Turntine, what are you doing?
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B
Well, I'll have the group chat if It's Thursday at 4. We're going to talk about the New York City mayoral race and the rise of Mandani kind of on a more broadly speaking, what does it mean? What are the lessons to be learned? Should be a great conversation.
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A
All right, so join Dan and his colleagues at 4 o'. Clock. Then at 6 o', clock, please join me for 2 a. Tonight we'll be having all the news of the day but also a debate preview because we'll be leading right into the bait. Nomi Kunst will be joining us amongst others. And then at 9:00 Eastern Time after the two hour debate, please join Dan and me and Megan Kelly, Ricky, Megan McCain.
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B
Right.
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Megan McCain. Sorry. And then Vice President Megan McCain. Thank you. Join us all again. If you want to join on the two way platform and be able to ask questions after the debate, go to two way TV and sign up. If you want to watch it live in traditional one way fashion, you can watch it on our website, on our YouTube channel or same with the New York Post. And we'll be going for 90 minutes. We'll show you the highlights of the debate if you missed it or just want to relive him. And great analysis from Lydia.
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C
I want Mark, I want to hear this breakdown tomorrow about why I, I still don't get this bifurcation of different hosts. Like to me this is.
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A
Yeah, we'll see.
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B
And then everybody happy.
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A
Also later today, new episode of Next up will drop. My guest is Scott Jennings, the Kentucky superstar and CNN commentator. And we're going to break down how Scott does what he does on cnn. You won't wanna, you won't want to miss it. And we'll be back in 23 hours. And of course we'll have full analysis of the debate as well here on the morning meeting at 9am tomorrow morning. Thank you all for watching. Apologize for the technical difficulties, but you know what, these things happen. We'll see you tomorrow. Have a great day.
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B
Your winner or loser will come from the debate. Yep.
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A
Oh yeah. Tomorrow's winners and losers. Thank you. Week went fast.
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C
Moderator.
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B
All right, maybe then I could turn the show off. Hey, Dan, I'm just asking if I can turn it off. No, it's all right. I mean I can just keep talking to myself. It's fine. Well, I'm here. Okay, well we can talk. You and I can do the post game.