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"We Will Remember": Trump Demands Europe Help Patrol Strait of Hormuz, Fend off Iranian Attacks
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Everybody, welcome to the morning meeting. Kevin Walling is here. Hogan Gidley is here. Thank you for being part of two way. If you get in on the conversation, please raise your hand. If you're here on the platform, even if you've never raised your hand, especially if you've never raised your hand, today would be a good day to do it. This would normally. If you're watching on X or YouTube, please don't put smack in the chat. This would normally be the moment where we would have some faux casual banter to affect to try to humanize Kevin and Hogan. But it's impossible. These two come prehumanized. It's unnecessary. Did you watch the Oscars? Is your team getting you doing a bracket? Here's my one question to humanize you both. What do you think of the morality of using AI to fill out your basketball brackets? Yes. No, Hogan, as I'm wanting to say,
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Jimmy crack corn and I don't care.
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Got it, Kevin.
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Fun fact. During the Obama years, I would just copy Barack Obama's bracket and very smart. Fairly well.
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Very smart.
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I did not. I did not copy. I did not copy Joe Biden's bracket when he was doing it. I trusted Brock a little bit better than Joe on that front.
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Ladies and gentlemen. If that didn't humanize these two guys to make them relatable, I don't know what could. 3, 2, 1. Let's go. Here's the daybook for you. Lots going on. Caroline Levitt and Secretary Bessett were already on morning tv. We'll show you what they said. The headline out of both of them is if you if you were planning to be in Beijing for the summit in two weeks, I would recommend you rebook at the Beijing Ritz Carlton because I don't think that meeting's taking place in two weeks. The president today lots on his schedule but most notably he vice president have a press event with the pool. They're doing a signing time. The event relates to the vice president's role in the waste fraud and Abuse committee or whatever it's called at 3:30. But they're going to take questions then and you can bet you that the press will pay less attention to waste fraud and abuse and more to the conflict with Iran. Schedule features a number of closed press events. Executive time currently hello Mr. President. Policy meeting at 11. Lunch with the Kennedy Center Board members at 11:45. A farewell to Rick Grinnell and new business on the schedule there then interview and that's with guys. Any idea? I won't I don't know. I won't steer you away from thinking it could be with me then. 3:30 Is that open as that pool event in the Oval Office. And then four o' clock it's not with me. He's meeting with the US Ambassador to Japan at a time when Japan is one of five nations of the seven the President says he has in mind where he would like them to help with sending ships to the Strait. The Japanese Prime Minister who's due in town later this week. In town? In town. I mean Washington says no, the Japanese like all the other countries are not interested in that. House and senators supposed to be back today. The House has scheduled canceled all their votes because apparently there's bad weather in Washington and Washington can't deal with bad weather.
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So we're under a tornado watch up here, down here, wherever you're watching.
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This one's actually real energy. EU energy ministers meeting in Brussels today to try to figure out what to do about volatility in the markets. Talks begin between us and Mexico today on the renewal of the North American Free Trade Agreement. And my sources continue to say watch to see if the President tries to defy the Canadians, not for the first time. And negotiate first with the Mexicans and get a bilateral rather than the trilateral deal done. Jury deliberations continue in that landmark social media trial in Los Angeles today. Tomorrow to preview the week ahead for you as we do on Mondays because we're a full service operation. Illinois primary, lots of interesting Democratic primaries. Testing issues related to money and race and gender and ethnicity and Israel and apac. All sorts of all sorts of themes there. The Fed meets Tuesday, Wednesday. Nobody thinks the Fed's going to be able to cut rates the rest of the year even after there's a new Fed chair. House Intelligence tomorrow hears from all the senior administration officials the annual worldwide threat assessment. You can bet there'll be a lot of questions about Iran. That's Gabbard and Radcliffe and Cash Patel. The same group speaks to the Senate Intelligence Committee on Wednesday. Homeland Security starts a hearing confirmation hearing for Mark Wayne Mullen on Wednesday.
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Remember which you previewed with the chairman of that committee. Yeah. So yeah. Be watching what could be interesting. What's gonna happen there?
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Undercovered the New Hampshire primary. The DNC hasn't set the first in the nation schedule but everybody's going to New Hampshire. Bigly Georgia too, but really New Hampshire. And Mark Kelly and Gabby Giffords are going to campaign for the Senate candidate there. The party send can miss Pappas on Friday Jimmy Kimmel's guests include Robert Pattinson. Man, he looked awesome at the Oscars last night. I don't know if you saw how good that guy looked.
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Wow.
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Eye candy. Stephen Colbert has Edward Norton.
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You're pulling a. You're pulling a trump right there, Mark.
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I am.
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And Jim.
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And Jimmy Fallon has Johnny Knoxville, amongst others. All right, gentlemen, welcome in.
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Still a thing, huh? Is he still a thing?
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I don't know.
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He's on tonight. None of us are on the tonight.
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No, we're not on there.
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Yeah, that's right.
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Everybody's back. Robert Pattinson, Johnny Knoxville.
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More of a thing.
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We live in the 90s.
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What was that 90s? Did you see that 90s meme over the weekend that was so solid about, like, what was going on in the world. And then at the end, it was like, I'm waiting to what time Carson Daly starts trl.
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I didn't. I didn't see it, but I heard about it. Everybody was. Why was everybody talking about that thing?
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There's like the third person nostalgia right there, I guess.
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I guess. Apparently it's very well done. All right, if you find it, you'll put it in the chat. All right, quick word from a sponsor and then we're going to jump in with the gentleman here. Cozy Earth continue to tell you, Cozy Earth, great for humans, better for dogs in some ways. Here's some great pictures I got over the weekend from one of many members of the two way community who loves Cozy Earth. Number one, please. They're the pups. Here's the letter. Here's the letter that came with it. Mark, I know you get tired of the many pictures I sent of these two pups of mine, but I send this. I'm just airing it out in the sun, the bubble cuddle blanket. So she takes the bubble cuddle blanket outside, and the pop poly has to go outside to sit with the public cuddle blanket, to guard it, to be near it, to take in its psychic vibe. So here's some more pictures of the dogs. I'll remind you that comfort like this comes only from cozy Earth. And right now you get 20% off everything on the site. Go to cozyearth.com promo code morning for the bubble cuddle blanket, the sheets, the towels, the essential socks that are so breathable, all available to you now. By the way, the socks come in calf, quarter, ankle, and no show. All that available to you now. 20% off. Go to cozyearth.com promo code morning for 20% off. And when you get the post purchase, survey say you heard about it here. Experience the craft behind the comfort and make every day feel intentional. Hogan, that could be your catchphrase. Make every day feel intentional.
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That is my motto.
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Yeah, keep those pup photos coming. Two way community. Those are awesome.
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Yes, we do like the pup photos. All right.
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Sip for yourself. Shop Vertuo up exclusively@nespresso.com how's the war? I hear you ask. There's here's one thing. This point of view represents very much how the administration says the wars going. 110 Both the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times had how the war stories how the war is going stories that were kind of downbeat. Here's an upbeat tweet. There are two wars going on. The actual one where demoralized Iraqi squads are being targeted and killed and there's no higher headquarters to ask for help, to send for help or send help. That's the reality on the ground. And then there's, they say, the war on X where regime apologists have primacy on US Media and misrepresents the pulse of the Iranian people. It goes on. Here's a Brookings analyst quoted in that downbeat, relatively downbeat New York Times story about how the war is going. This is shocked. Where's. I know. Here's number 104, please. So Brookings expert who says no, sorry, that's the wrong one. Where is it, guys? Where's that quote from that Brookings person? There it is. Sorry, not New York Times. This is the downbeat Wall Street Journal story. There's a striking disconnect. This is a quote from a Brookings scholar. There's a striking disconnect between the US And Israeli operational achievements and and a disastrous fallout for the global economy and broader US national security interests. She said the White House can sell Iran significant military and nuclear losses is victory. But if it comes at the cost of a major recession, it won't mean much for the Republicans in the midterms. And the Iranians are counting on outlasting the U.S. i love when they quote Brookings scholars who are experts on Iran about the midterms. No Offense to this lady, but I'm not sure she can draw a linear conclusion. So guys, we're going to drill down on the strait and the leadership and everything else. Terrorism, but just thousand feet. Hogan, how is the overall effort going to achieve the President's objectives? Not just how many, how many drone factories are we destroying, but how would you rate the overall effort as we start the week?
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All according Brooking Institute experts on Iran who failed prognosticating that region for how many decades now. Whatever. Listen, I think it's really going well despite what the media is trying to tell you. However, we're starting to move into the phase where the, the, the other fighter is fighting back a little bit. And so what happens next I think is going to be critical because as the video we just talked about that was released by centcom, I know we'll probably get to some of the, the quotes in that, the clips in that when your team looks through it, but destroying the Navy and destroying ballistic missile capability, taking out the leaders, we all know those talking points.
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Points.
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But what happens next? Because as, as energy prices go up, the uncertainty kind of settles in and then Iran, who is, is clearly no pushover. They're, they're not close to, to America but you know, they, they, they deal in millennia here. They have no problem waiting us out. And death to them is something that's a higher calling. So kill them. They don't care. What do we do next? And it's going to, you know, center around, I think the straight of war moves. I think it's going to center around the island that we carg island, we talk about a lot as well. Those next moves for this president are going to be vital to how the American people perceive it. And what were we on the 16th day or something like that of this military operation, this incursion, this situation, whatever you want to call it. He said what, four or five weeks? So we're a ways from that at this point.
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But how's it going, Hogan? Just good, bad?
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No, I don't think, I think it's going really well so far. Again, this is the pit. This is. We're in a pivotal moment right now.
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Okay, Kevin, is it going great?
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I think it's going well in terms of Hogan's point, in terms of taking out these targets. 15,000 separate targets being taken out. Again, to Hogan's point though, the next couple of weeks are going to be critical. Obviously we're going to talk about the President's trip to China, if it's still on later in March and the geopolitical nature of the conflict. Now it was kind of a singular focus in terms of Iran and the regime and now it's entering the more global stage. I think of this especially with the targets increasing. We saw over the weekend UAE targeted especially in its energy sector and how the President is able to leverage those relationships. Now he's pressuring our allies to send resources to the straits specifically and we'll see how these allies respond. You talked about the Prime Minister of Japan coming on Friday entering this new stage of a more geopolitical focus and less a binary focus specifically on the regime.
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There's like a million topics. Let's try to speed through them here. First, the issue of the summit. Again I can't imagine the summit's going to take place. Presidents always say they can work from anywhere but but going to Beijing for three days at this point is is far fetched. Bessant wanted to make sure Secretary Besant that people the markets didn't react badly to the delay in the meeting because the markets want detente between the United States and Peking. And let's just say though in terms
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of how's it going Peking using the original name for Beijing there Mark that's
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like call it Peking Doc. I call it Peking. Look the markets are fine. The Dow futures were up going into the session today. Oil remains below $100 a barrel. They've successfully jawboned it and done a few mechanical things to keep it so priced into the stock of, of of everything seems of most everything seems to be yeah the war is going to end in two weeks, three weeks, four weeks and and then everything will be fine. Here is Scott Bessant and then Caroline Levitt back to back she on Fox and Friends he on Squawk Box saying yeah the meeting will probably be delayed meaning yeah the meeting is going to be delayed but you shouldn't attribute it to any friction between the US and China, just that the president needs to be home to oversee the war roll Besant and then Caroline, please.
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Well the meetings were very good. We've got a stable relationship.
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This is our sixth meeting in our economic consultations.
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The Vice Premier Hulifung and I have developed great respect for each other but
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really the meetings are generated by the great respect that the two leaders, President
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Trump Party Chair Xi have for each other. You know we will see whether the visit takes place as false is in
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jeopardy but it's quite possible the meeting
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could leader conversations that are currently taking place.
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If the trip is delayed then of course we will Provide those dates very soon. I know President Xi was very excited
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to welcome President Trump to Beijing, and
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I know President Trump looks forward to this trip.
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It's really just a matter of the timing, of course. The president's utmost responsibility right now as
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commander in chief is to ensure that
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the continued success of Operation Epic Fury, as he's doing 247 here at the White House and here at home.
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So we'll look to.
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Look forward to announcing those.
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Kevin, when will the summit be?
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Like, can you get. I do think it is likely to stay on. I don't know if it's the three days because again, to your point, Mark,
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what be before the war ends?
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Well, I think the war will be continuing. I mean,
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he'd go to Beijing for at least three days, and he can't go to Beijing. Three days. Would he go to Beijing for three days before there's a, there's a piece? Yes or no?
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Yes, I think so.
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Yes. Hogan.
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I think he goes, too. But I'm going to go with Kevin on the original thought, which I was thinking was it didn't have to be three days. And I would argue things he had scheduled to do. Anything that looks fun, for lack of a better word, I think would be off the schedule.
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More ceremonial, more ceremonial elements.
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Get rid of that.
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No fortune cookie factory tour. But is he. Is he gonna go or is he gonna go in April at some point?
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I, I think he goes at the end of March. I, I think.
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Oh, you think he really.
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That's what you're saying?
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Oh, okay. I get it. I, I disagree. But we'll see. All right, race again. We got to get to. We got to get to China, to the coalition of the willing. We got to get to cars, but I want to get to this terrorism. Here's David Ignatius on morning. The specter of Iranian terrorism, maybe even against the homeland. 112, please. There's a deep sense of foreboding. The one shoe that hasn't dropped in
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this conflict yet is terrorism.
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That's something the Iranians are very good at and they're backed into a corner, but they have not played anything like their last card yet. So as I made my rounds talking to people, I heard concern about that and other things over and over again. Now I want to marry that up with something that's becoming increasingly not unusual. Miranda Devine in the New York Post. Brandon Devine, generally pretty pro Trump administration. She has a comm today. She's written a few of these about people in the administration. Somewhat negative. And here's what her headline says. FBI Director Cash Patel's Flamboyant Lifestyle Hits Agency Morale While Terror attacks strike the U.S. here's one, quote. Whether there were liabilities or, quote, just following orders, the latest purge has sent a chill through the ranks. Another former FBI agent says that he, quote, a culture of fear has paralyzed a all levels of Bureau leadership. At present, folks are all afraid to do their jobs for fear of losing their heads. Kevin, the story basically suggests the United States might be vulnerable to an Iranian terror attack, maybe a massive one, because of the way Cash Patel is running the FBI. So what do you make of Miranda Devine writing that and connected up to the general threat that the United States might face?
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Listen, I think the FBI is, and any kind of counterterrorism units that we have are, are the best in the world, obviously. And we're going to see, as you preview them, come before the House Intelligence Committee, Senate Intelligence Committee. I don't think it's. It's. If, if there is an attack, we will be prepared for that. I don't think it's a direct result of Cash Patel's leadership. It's a lot larger of an agency than just one man at the top of it. And I think Miranda loves to score, settle in these pieces and in her podcast, so I don't play much into that. I do think, you know, we haven't seen the more asymmetric elements of what Iran's response can be. We've saw a minor cyber attack on an American company, but I think there is likely to be more likely in the cyberspace, less so, hopefully, in the terrorism space.
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Hogan, are you concerned about this, the confluence of what David Ignatius is reporting in the Miranda Devine column?
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Well, let me take these in segments and caveat, of course. I'm friends with Miranda, I'm friends with Cash. This clash between them, I don't understand, for whatever reason.
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Who are you? Who are you a better friend with? Hogan?
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We're about to find out with his answer.
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Yeah, no, I'm friends with both. I would say I'm closer to Cash and I'm Miranda, but it's only because I've been around Cash more and he and I were on bus tours together for Trump, et cetera. Anyway, listen, I think a lot of this stuff, having been on the outside now trying to help a lot of these agencies expose and get rid of bad actors in these agencies, which is one of the things I'm kind of working on right now, it's shocking to see the level of people unelected bureaucrats in these offices for years doing things to undermine elected leaders in this country. And I think Cash is doing a good job getting rid of them. I expect more of this to come in different agencies as well. Doge was tip of the iceberg. You're going to see a lot more folks not because they're acting politically, which is wrong in and of itself, but because they're violating a lot of the rules and regulations of the departments. I mean releasing tax returns for the president of the United States from the IRS is a real problem. Whoever did that little group in there needs to be exposed and fired for sure. But Ignatius, to me a more tone deaf statement. Yes, we're all concerned about terrorism, but he acts like that hasn't already happened multiple times before this, before this military operation and after we just had two terrorist attacks.
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I think he's concerned about a mass casualty event.
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I, I understand that but I'm unless
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an inspired attack and more, more sleeper cell or something like that.
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Yeah, exactly.
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Sure. But the, the, the, the car they're going to play that Iran wants to play is David, it's always terrorism. That's their card because that's their stated goal.
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Right.
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So it's just kind of goofy. But Iran is worried about some big map. We're all worried about mass casualty events. But, but hold on. It seems like the previous administration and I would argue in large measure the Obama administration just kept giving them billions of dollars and weren't concerned about leaving the border open to let in.
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All right, let's talk about the coalition of the willingness. The president said into Financial Times over the weekend he expects countries to step up. Not a single one of the countries that the president listed, five of them is stepping up. Some of them are saying maybe, but mostly they're saying no and maybe leaning no. And here's unfortunately, Brian Sullivan in his very otherwise fine interview with Scott Bessant did not press him when the secretary was evasive about where does building the coalition of the willing stand? Here is number 108, please.
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Is there a plan to get that
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fully, I don't want to say reopen. There was a tanker that ran through
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today, fully operational and safe for all global shipping. Well, let's pull that apart.
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So we are seeing more and more the fuel ships start to go through. The Iranian ships have been getting out
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already and we will let that happen
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to supply the rest of the world. We've seen Indian ships go out now. So the Indians who rely very heavily
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on Gulf oil, we believe some Chinese
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ships have gone out. So that, and that should start ramping
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up before there are any.
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The flotillas are protective armadas in the Gulf.
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So we think that there will be a natural opening that the Iranians are letting out. And for now we're fine with that. We want the world to be well supplied.
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Okay. Okay. So he basically seems to be saying there's no problem, when in fact the President over the weekend suggested there was a problem. I'm not one who says because we weren't nice about Greenland, we, the United States, that this coalition can't be built. These countries will decide to participate not because the President was nice to them or not, but because whether the President can force them to or convince them, it's in their interest. Newt Gingrich, who believes, as many do, that solving this problem is vital, seems to have at least implicitly given up on opening the strait. Here's Newt Gingrich's latest idea that he's embraced. 111. You might think this is a deep fake or a cheap fake. No. Nick Gingrich retweeted an article that said instead of fighting over 21 mile wide bottleneck forever, we cut a new channel through friendly territory. A dozen thermonuclear detonations and you've got a waterway wider than the Pan Canal, deeper than the Suez and safe from Iranian attacks. So he proposes using nuclear weapons to dig a new canal. And the article he retweeted runs through, you know, yeah, they're some potential downsides there, but cost benefit. This seems like a positive to him. Kharg island is another issue where there's a lot of speculation that perhaps the United States will take control of that violently important island with ground troops and be able to impact Russia, Iran's ability to use oil as a weapon. Here's a graphic made by this reporter, shows you how large Kharg island is. For those listening to the audio version of the show, car guy fit neatly inside Manhattan. If you put the top of Carg island at Central park, it would go not even to the tip. It's just through the Village Folks, not as wide as Manhattan and it's like a quarter, a quarter of the length or a third of the length. Yes, better. There's no pricing on Carg Island. Kevin. Kevin, The Wall Street Journal quote unquote broke a story over the weekend in which they said, oh, there's going to be an announcement of a coalition of the willing soon. And then the next sentence said, but it might not start till the war is over. I'm not sure what good it does if it waits until the war is over. I was a little annoyed with the Wall Street Journal for that. Kevin, will there be a coalition that uses naval ships to bust open and fully reopen to all ships, not just favored Iranian ones or not?
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I doubt, I doubt that's going to happen again. You know, Keir Starmer's out there again this morning saying, you know, he offered two aircraft carriers. The president said now you're going to send them before the, you know, after the war is over. I doubt that he is going to send them. He's seeing his numbers increase the more that he objects to what the President is doing. So it's good politics internally for him, same with Mark Carney that we see in Canada. So I doubt that we're going to see this coalition of the willing and the administration really didn't do the work on the front end to line up these folks to take advantage of these allied relationships beforehand. Something that we saw even with the Bush administration going into Afghanistan and Iraq.
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Hogan, I'm asking you to hold on. President's having a news conference today, 1140, 1145, before his Kennedy center event, which is scheduled for 1145.
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So is this the fraud thing?
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No, no, no, no, no. The fraud thing was supposed to take place in the afternoon. I think he's gonna just do a full blown news conference. Okay.
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So I wonder if he has something, something to announce. I mean, Hogan, you, you know this
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a little better than maybe.
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Is this like a surprise thing in terms of he's got something to share. Yeah. Ahead of time.
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Yes, I think he does. Hogan, hold off, because unless you know the answer, do you know what you, I assume you don't know what he's playing soon. Okay, let's hold off. Let's move to some other topics because a lot of what we'd say about Iran now, including the coalition, could be overtaken by event.
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One quick point. So many people were talking about how this is like the new Bush 20 year war in Iraq. And it's funny because had Donald Trump spent months building a coalition and even when George W. Bush did it and then he went into and invaded everyone saying there really is no good coalition here. So that was kind of moot. But still, when he, if he had done all that, the parallels actually would have been quite astounding to what George W. Bush did and what did the fact he didn't do all this coalition building on the front end while we were, while many people on the left and some on the Right. Are lamenting it, then the, the comparison to Iraq would have been almost identical.
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Well said. All right, just some, some.
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Newt want a moon colony?
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He did. Is he going to do that before the nuclear bombs? New comes up with all sorts of ideas. Okay. All right, I'm going to give you a yes. No opportunities here. Just yes, no, no, no caveats. And if you don't want to answer yes, no, you can pass. Okay. Here's a New York Post story 107. This story asserts that the President has been told by his intelligence team that the new Supreme Leader is probably gay. And the President thought that was hilarious. So now we've had the US Government leak out that he's gay, that he's not, that there's anything wrong with that. Although maybe an Iranian community, Iranian society first.
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It would be a first for the regime.
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Yeah. Gay, disfigured, maybe dead. Kevin, is he dead?
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I think he's like in a, in a coma.
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Yes. No, no, no. Hogan, is he dead? No. Kevin, is he gay?
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Possibly.
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Yeah. Hogan.
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Yes.
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Yes. Okay, one more. There's incredible amount of traffic in my inbox and on social media that says Netanyahu's dead. If we had more time, I'd run through all the reasons why people think he's dead. He put out a video just this morning. Is it a video or still photograph? I don't know. He put out something else this morning after that coffee. Weird coffee video that only caused the Internet to think he was dead. Let's just go with dead or badly injured or. Or had a heart attack. Is he. Is he infirm or dead in some way?
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Hogan, is he infirm or dead?
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Is Bibi. Was Bibi either injured or killed or died of a heart attack or something? Is BB fine or not? Is Bibi fine?
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I think he's fine.
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I don't know. Health wise. He's fine. All right, Kevin?
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Yes, he's fine.
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All right. All right, let's move on to some other topics and then we'll get to your questions in. In a moment. So please raise your hand if you're here on the platform and want to be in on the conversation. The save debate is starting tomorrow. Just tell me how it's going to end in the Senate. What's going to be the final thing the Senate does on the Save America Act
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Debate is going to go on. Republicans are going to throw everything at it. Democrats are in a good position to respond. I think at the end of the day, it doesn't obviously get the 60 votes and Republicans move To attach it either to the FISA approval or, or a must pass bill and we'll see what happens after that.
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Hogan, do you agree with that? I agree.
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I think they're going to attach it to something much must pass and then make against it.
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All right, Pete Buttigieg. I continue to believe that Pete Buttigieg is an underrated stock in this thing. And people tell me he shouldn't be on the list. He'll never be nominated. He can't win any black votes. Well, I'll say again. Pete Buttigieg has won the Iowa caucuses. He finished second in New Hampshire primary. Unlike everyone else who's probably going to run. He's actually won some Democratic contests and he's a smart guy and he's hardworking and everybody says biggest problems, black vote. He's been in Alabama and other states of the South. He's been campaigning for black candidates. Here he is with the Reverend Warnock. Senator Reverend Warnock in Georgia over the weekend and, and unfortunately for those of you listening, you don't hear Pete Buttigieg. But for those of you watching here on the two way platform or on X or YouTube, watch how Pete Buttigieg handles his presence and the words of Reverend Warnock in a. In a church in Georgia. Not just any church. This is Ebenezer Baptist in Atlanta over the weekend. 120, please.
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I've got a friend and a brother in the house. He's been a mayor, Secretary of transportation, and he's been here before. I came across a picture of us first time you dropped by. Would you all welcome Secretary Pete Buttigieg. Good to see you, man. Welcome to Ebenezer Church. Welcome. Good to see you, brother. So glad you're here.
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No, no, keep playing it, keep playing it.
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That's the end.
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Oh, no, that's not the end of what I saw. All right.
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Anyway, getting a standing ovation from some of the folks in the congregation there.
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Gotta stand. Anyway, it's a back and forth with Warnock about being an Episcopalian and, and Warnock was giving him some light ribbing about how Baptists have a slightly different style. It's good stuff. You go on the Internet and watch it. Hogan, how's he doing? How's he doing? My front runner, my secret front runner, Pete Buttigieg, for whom I'm much derided for thinking can win. How's he doing with the black vote?
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First of all, I agree that he should be in this conversation. I think he's one of the most adept, skilled politicians at the way he answers questions. It is. And I'm not trying to slide him sitting, trying to be a backhanded compliment, but he's as good at talking as he is at avoiding answering any of the questions. Like he talks around it so well and the tones are so calming. You're like, wow, that was good. And you think about it and go, wait a minute, he said nothing. But by then you already passed it and moved on. So I don't know how he's going to do the black vote. It's always been a problem for him. But as you said, he's got experience here and this stage is a big one and he's good at it.
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Kevin, specifically, just, again, I'm sorry we didn't have the full clip, but just how do you think he's. Not everybody could sit in that Ebenezer Baptist Church and, and, and you know, get do what he did there passively. But how do you think he's doing with this project of trying to improve his standing with black voters?
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I think he's doing well. I mean, I think he, you know, spent a lot of time in South Carolina. Hogan knows the state well. I think, you know, black congregations, especially in large parishes, respect when you show up, right, you might not have all the answers. But being present and being on that the Edmund Pettus Bridge, at least showing up means a lot to that community. It's going to mean a lot to keep that community in early primary states. Hopefully South Carolina is first in the south again and I think that will make a difference two and a half years from now.
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Well, well said, well said.
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But don't read too much into the fact that a Democrat showed up to a Democrat congregation in front of a Democrat pastor who's a sitting office holder who called out a Democrat who actually served in a previous Democrat administration and got claps.
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That's of course, Hogan. But what Democrats who would like to be president in 2028 crossed the Edmund Penns Bridge and went to Ebenezer Baptist this year?
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One, one guy, the one who knows
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he has a problem. I understand, I understand. But, but, but you name other Democrats who want to run and say how are they addressing their weaknesses.
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But, but, but I'll tell you, you're exactly right. I will tell you though too, this is important because he's also doing it in non election years, which is how Mike Huckabee won 50% of the black vote state, the only Republican to ever do it. Tim Scott is black and he got like 10% of the black vote in South Carolina because he went there in off years. And if Pete keeps doing this, he'll begin to build that coalition that he hasn't been able to build to this point.
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And to Hogan's point, he's got the advantage of not having to be in office right now and not have to pass budgets in Harrisburg or in Sacramento so he can put in the time in these places.
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I will tell you that if, if Newsom doesn't run, Buddha J could be the front runner. Someone else who I think could be the front runner is Governor Shapiro, who continued on his book tour and was on Real Time with Bill Maher on Friday. Here he is talking about how he would be dealing with Iran if he were president and sliding into some Criticism of the incumbent. 121, please.
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If you were the president and you got that information, you'd still do nothing?
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I never said I'm asking.
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No. What I would do and what the President of the United States failed to do was be clear with the American
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people about what the hell we were doing here.
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Here.
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Was the plan to go after the nuclear weapons. The weapons, by the way, he said, were destroyed seven years ago or seven months ago. Pardon me, was the plan to go and do regime change, in which case, who the hell is going to take over? I don't think the son's any better than the father. Was the plan to go in there later, but then you got forced because Netanyahu forced your hand.
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Remember?
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They said that.
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So it's a matter of clarity. I brought that back. I think if you don't have clarity
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on why you're going in, you have no way of knowing how the hell to get out. And so we are in a situation
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now where we have a commander in chief and his sidekick, Pete Hegseth, who are acting like a bunch of 8
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year olds playing with toy soldiers. We've lost 13American soldiers in a war that the American people. And by the way, most of the global community has no idea why the hell we went there in the first place. All right, Two reasons each. They can't be the same. Two reasons, Hogan. First, you can't say he's the governor of a battleground state. Tell me two reasons why that guy is considered a first tier candidate. And by the way, I make him a first tier candidate. This isn't as skeptically. I just want to know where your head's at now going forward here, Hogan. What are two reasons besides that he's the battleground state, popular battleground state Governor, what are two reasons that he's considered a, a top tier candidate. Go.
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I don't know why you can't let me put that into the calculus.
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Because those are, because those are obvious. Those are obvious. What else, what else, what else besides popular governor of a battleground state makes him a first tier candidate? What else does he bring to the table that was on offer in that clip or other things you know about him? You want to have Kevin go first,
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Let Kevin go first.
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All right, Kevin, go ahead, Kevin.
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I think he obviously appeals to Republicans. He's got 60% approval in the Commonwealth. I'm not saying it's the battleground state. He also has a history of law enforcement as an attorney general.
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There you go.
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Okay, so that's going to appeal to that centrist lane, which is what powered Joe Biden. We'll see if that how many votes on that side. But, but the law enforcement background I think is going to be important. Yeah. In a general. Yeah, we'll see it in a primary.
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Hogan. Yeah.
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I don't know.
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All right. He can raise money and, and he's, he's got an outsider, ordinary guy perspective. He's the opposite of Trump in some ways. And, and that's what voters tend to look for. All right.
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And he's got, he's got a great looking family. His wife is fantastic. She's going to be a strong campaigner out there. Lori. She's a great first lady of the Commonwealth. So that's a one, two punch as well.
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Two for the price of one. All right, hold on, Let me just look here to make sure I got everything and I wanted to get in. Didn't spend enough time on BB being dead, but that's me. We're going to go to your questions in a minute. We're going to do two more things and go to your questions again. If you're here on the platform, would like to be in on the conversation, please raise your hand. CENTCOM put out this new video. Let's just watch the top of it until Hogan's board. This is a new CENTCOM video on how the war is going. I won't be roll. It's four minutes. We're not going to watch the whole thing.
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Fair.
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Hi, I'm Admiral Brad Cooper, the commander of U.S. central Command, here to provide another update on Operation Epic Fury.
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First, I want to remember and honor
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our fallen warriors who made the ultimate sacrifice in the KC135 refueling aircraft incident last week. We hold their memories and their families,
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their friends and their teammates in our prayers.
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Their selfless service and Dedication hardens our resolve. For 16 days, we've delivered overwhelming firepower deep into Iran.
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This past Friday, US Forces executed a
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large scale precision strike on Kharg island, destroying more than 90 Iranian military targets, including storage bunkers for naval mines and missiles and other military. Okay, all right, all right. We'll watch the whole thing online. I just said 90 military targets on Carg island the size of like midtown Manhattan. I don't know. I don't know. It's a little curious to me how they could do that, but I'm sure it's true. It just, I wonder what they were. All right, a quick word from the sponsor, then to your question. So it's a new sponsor, folks. Excited to have Shopify sponsoring the morning meeting. And if you're starting something new, a new business, a podcast, something you believe in, you might be intimidated and wonder, how am I going to make sure that this works? What if nobody shows up? That's where Spotify comes in. It's a commerce platform that's helped millions of businesses around the world. And about 10% of all E commerce is powered by Spotify. And right now, members of the two way community can get a one month trial offer for a buck $1 at Spotify shopify.com mark for a trial offer for $1 for the first month. Their AI powered tools will help you do everything. Write product descriptions, create page headlines, enhance product photos, everything to save you time and allow you to grow your business. There's 24 hour customer service, so help's always there when you need it. So if you've got an idea and you want to turn your what ifs into. Dollars, now go to Shopify again. Sign up right now for your $1 per month trial offer at shopify.com mark again go to shopify.com mark that shopify.com/mark. It's our first sound effect. We'll practice, we'll get better, I promise.
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Class is in session.
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Professor, we're ready to rock and roll, folks. Good morning, Two Way Community. Good morning, Mark, Hogan and Kevin. Okay, I'm. I don't know how much of a question I have. I just find, actually this will be a question. I just find the media coverage on these military operations a total disgrace. I think that somebody, when this whole thing is over, I think somebody needs to be held accountable because this is so divisive, the way the legacy media is portraying this. This military operation.
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Give it. Give a specific example.
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All right, specific example. Cnn, Abby, Philip. Every other word out of her mouth is, this is a failure. And, you know, we're losing lives. Yes, it's very unfortunate. We lost 13 lives. It's terrible. You know, in the first two weeks of Iraq, we lost 150 lives. So I just think that this military operation is a huge success and we just got to stay with it and eventually we'll come out on top. The Carg island has always been my. My success for us. You know, taking Carg Island. And then I heard somebody on another platform talking about, well, well, we could take Carg island, but can we hold it? Who else is going to get there? That's my question.
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Yeah. Well, let me ask. Let me ask you. Point taken. And Kevin and Hogan will weigh in. But let me just ask you, are you. Are you concerned about the fact that the Iranians have now controlled the strait and the president's plan to build a coalition is not yet in place? Does that concern you at all?
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No, it doesn't concern me because I just think that I don't. I don't feel like they're controlling the street. I think it's more about being scaredy cats.
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All right.
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That's what I really think it's about.
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Hogan, I'll give you an opportunity to bash the media. Take it away.
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Oh, Professor Kennedy, you're going to get someone who stands in lockstep with the media, covers this stuff. I do think there's some significant and serious questions to be asked and answered, but I feel like this administration, with its past successes in the Middle east and a pretty solid record on foreign policy, needs to get more of the benefit of the doubt. But they never will from the mainstream media. This is how it goes. They always hate us. Whatever Donald Trump is taking them on, though, I think Pete Hex does the same, as does Caroline Levitt, the whole administration. I will tell you, one of the things we lament is the comms team, like myself and Sarah Sanders. I was just with the governor recently and we were talking about how we wish when asked questions about P tapes and everything else, we had the same no Fs given comms policy that this administration gets to use that we couldn't use to answer some of these questions. It would have been a whole lot more fun. But you're right. I think it's disgusting the way the media is covering this, the way that they prop up Iranian leaders, like there's some type of, you know, what was the austere religious scholar type language they used for people who slaughter their own citizens? Yeah.
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So I think you're right, Kevin, this way. And I'm a journalist and you're not, but you've been around newsrooms. How does it happen? How did places like CNN and the New York Times, because they're not having meetings saying, let's all be biased. How do these ridiculous headlines get written? How does the tone of the coverage get established? How are they so anti military, in some cases, anti the war, anti success? How does that happen?
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I think it's less a question of what the reporters are putting out, but I think a lot of these newsrooms lack a really good editor. Right. That, that inspires the newsroom in a. In a direction that's consistent, that's transparent, and that's open and honest. I think that's the difference. You've got, obviously, reporters and their biases, but the fact that you don't have strong editors in a newsroom, they're being decimated. I think that's the result of that. And to Professor Kenny's point, I would encourage everyone to read David Boies op ed from a Few days ago in the Wall Street Journal. Partisanship on Iran is dangerous for America is the headline that makes that point that this has been the goal in terms of taking on this regime and for every other Democrat, the world president's doing something about it. To Hogan's point, you can question some of the conduct of the war, that's patriotic. But the overall direction, you know, in some of this coverage is fundamentally flawed and wrong.
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They refuse diversity of thought to flourish inside of a newsroom. That's part of the problem. If not, you know, governing founding block of their philosophy. They just won't let anyone, differing opinions. Do they get the job at cbs. They hammer her for trying to make it more fair.
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We don't, we don't, we don't have that problem here. Thank you, Professor.
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Thanks, Professor.
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John. John, welcome in. John has a two part question. One's about spending, the other is about Tucker Carlson. John, go ahead, please.
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Good morning, Hogan. I've been wanting to ask you this question for months now and so I thank you that I get the privilege of doing this. I'm a conservative and Hogan, I don't know if I disagree with you on
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anything, but I see our spending not only as unnecessary, the federal spending as
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unnecessary or reckless,
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but I see it as being evil.
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I think it is so outrageous I
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would put it in that category because
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eventually it's going to destroy this country. My forward question is as a Republican, who can I root for in the future that has the moral conviction to
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solve this spending problem? And then likewise, Kevin, if I'm forced
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to vote for a Democrat, who is
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the Bill Clinton and the Democratic side who will finally balance this budget? Positively brilliantly framed, John, thank you.
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Great question, John.
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First of all, John, no reason to vote for a Democrat, but we'll, we'll let that go past for the, for the morning.
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And there's. John, there's plenty of things you disagree with with Hogan on. Let me tell you, we'll just, that's right, that's for the after show.
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It is evil. That is the perfect word for it, John, the best framing to talk about because understand too, there are differences here with the moral compass to stop spending and then the political reality that exists when you try to stop it. Not just getting something through the House and Senate because you got to deal with hundreds of people who disagree with you and often liken it to when I was working for Trump. He makes a decision, you do it because he's helping out the House side and doing some work with Speaker Johnson. He makes A decision and he has to socialize it with 217 other people, people who go, it's almost good, Mr. Speaker, but just add my piece to it and then it's all okay. And then you. And no one supports that, of course, but that's what they always say. And then you go back to that old adage that I know Kevin and, and Mark know well, which is cutting spending polls extremely well until you ask them what they want to cut. And then it goes in the Doge meeting with both Vivek Ramaswamy and Elon Musk with some heads of, with committees on the Senate and House side, you should have seen them saying, bravo, you guys doing those. This is exactly what we want. But here's the thing. There's a, in my district that really can't have anything cut because it's vital to this country's success. They don't want to cut their own stuff. So that's part of it. But I will tell you, I think one of the undervalued issues that is going to continue to bubble up if Republicans play it right and actually connect it to Americans, their daily lives, their costs. It's the rampant fraud that exists in these agencies, in these programs. You start to expose that tens of billions of dollars. You save that money, you expose it and stop that fraud. I, I think you're going to see a whole lot better chance of things balancing out on their own before you can even have somebody to come in and go, all right, now we're really close. All we need is this one thing to make us more fiscally responsible. Then I think you'll get there. That's a long answer.
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And who's, and who's the Republican to do it, Hogan?
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Is it the J.D.
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vance or Sarah Huckabee?
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Who should I root for?
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The future?
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Yes, is the answer.
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Yes. Those are actually two good choices.
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I agree. Speaking as a Republican, John, I would say, I would say look to the governors in my party, right. Because every state, sans one, I think, has to balance a budget every year. That's why, you know, Bill Clinton was so successful coming in as the governor of Arkansas. You know, I think we get in trouble when we elect folks from the legislature. That, that again, to Hogan's point, just are, are fine with tacking things on and throwing that they can down, down the field, kicking the ball down the field. So look to the governors who actually have to deliver year after year and make the tough decisions to why West Moore is struggling with popularity right now because he's, you know there was a boon to the state. Now he's got to cut some things to balance that budget and have that experience. So I think the governors are.
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Presidents don't have to balance budget. So as a governor, you have to, when you get to the presidency, whatever.
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Yes, John, thank you. We'll save your great questions, John, for another day. All right. The president's just taken another phone call from another reporter. You guys know Liz Landers. You guys heard her very well. She works for the NewsHour. Said she had a brief, brief phone call with the president. Said he shouldn't have said, not a good, not a good time to chat because he was in the middle of a very important meeting. But then he took time to chat. I started with an overall assessment saying, quote, we're doing very well. They want to make a deal. They're not ready to make a deal, in my opinion. On Carg island, the president said Carg island is out of commission except for the pipes, which I left. I don't want to hit the pipes because, you know, it's years of work to put them together. President said he, quote, he would like to strike again. Yeah, I told them openly, I'll knock the hell out of it. He noted he purposely left 100 yards around anything having to do with oil. He continued, I left a lot of infrastructure in Tehran because if you did it, it's years of building. I could knock out the electrical plants in one hour, but if I do that, that's years of its trauma. So I'm trying to hold off that kind of thing. American troops on the ground. I don't want to say that things change. No, it's not changed. All right? Not, not as, not as full of news as it might have been. But that's what he said this morning, so I thought I'd share it. Let's go to Mark. Mark, welcome in. Tell folks don't know where you are. What's on your mind? For Kevin and for Hogan. Unmute. Gotta, gotta unmute. Yes, sir. Go ahead.
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Hi.
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Hi, Mark. And hi to your guests and to your viewers. My name is Mark.
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I'm from Sydney, Australia, Iraqi background, when you guys occupied the country.
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So I do have lots of memories with American soldiers.
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I,
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I can't see Iran in control
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of this tribe and anymore, I don't think the world will allow it.
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And one last thing I want to say,
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speak Arabic. And when I watch the Middle east media, they all saying, you know, like,
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you guys are winning.
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And then I come back and watch your media, and they're saying that you are losing and it's mind blowing to me.
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All right, let's let the guys comment. Kevin.
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Yeah, Mark. Well, first, thanks for being on, especially Sydney. It's wonderful to see just how far ranging the morning meeting is. And thank you for being part of this community. And we just talked about that kind of disconnect, I think, in the media in terms of what's being portrayed out there and the reality on the ground is, and you know that better than most, living through the war with Iraq and being on the ground there. So it's a great, great point to make.
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Hogan.
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First of all, Australia. That's great. 10 of the 12 deadliest snakes are native to Australia. So watch out when you go outside. Very dangerous. Listen, I think you're.
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And that. And that doesn't even include Ambassador Rudd.
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Oh, gosh.
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Horrible. Go ahead.
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Horrible.
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Former ambassador. Former.
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Yeah, that's right.
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That's right. Thanks, Mark. I appreciate the question. You know, I think one of the things that's interesting to me because we did lament the media coverage here, but also the people of Iran are a big component of this. So my question that I'm always concerned about is when they say the people are going to rise up and take over the government and they're going to what is the avenue to allow that to happen? Because when you destroy their leadership, you destroy their military capability, at what point what's the linchpin that needs to be pulled in order for the people just to rise up and take it over and then make the play. It has to be a democracy, but make it a better place for the, for the Iranian people that have suffered for so long. That to me is where I'm really kind of focused this week is is there something this government can do? Is there a military target? Is there an action we can take that allows the people to stand up and take over their country? I think that's important.
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Mark, thank you. Just got an email from a knowledgeable person said that all the, I told all the ayatollahs are bisexual. So we'll look into that. Of an update on that.
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Big if true. You heard it here first.
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Big if true. All right. I need to tell you about some stuff, ladies and gentlemen. First of all, don't forget the president's having a press conference in just a little bit. Full coverage of that on two way time. I'll see you there in a moment. I'll be over on Sirius XM and well, plenty of time for your calls today. There were hands up here of folks we didn't get to. But you can come on SiriusXM and ask me there. Call 833-446-3496 the bottom of the next hour. So in the 10 o' clock Eastern hour, give me a call. 833-446-3496. So keep the two way conversation going. Tonight, 7 o' clock on Lifelong with Ethan Supley. Join Ethan with his guests ending chronic disease Kelly McKenna and singer Joshua Ray. Ethan Soup at 7 o' clock night. Real health, real community, no BS. If you're interested in being part of an authentic community with a goal of living a healthier life, please join Ethan tonight live in person event for those who are in or come to New York City at one of my favorite venues, the Village Underground. Michael Moynihan is hosting a live in person show at the comedy sellers Village Underground on Wednesday of this week, 6:00pm Eastern Time. Join Michael Automation Nation, AI jobs of the case for UBI. Michael will be there with guests. Please join him if you can. Tickets are available now on the Village Underground website or on two way TV automation. Again, that's this Wednesday, 6pm Eastern Time Live and in person here in Gotham City. Tomorrow on this program, Connor and Jaime Moore will be here pound for pound. Kevin, how do you think you and Hogan stand up compared to Larry and Jaime pound for.
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I mean in tomorrow, you know, when you got it all today.
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Yeah.
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What new can they show and share? But yeah, you know, we're still going to move forward. I'll still watch it, but yeah, yeah,
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you know, but a pale imitation. Hogan, you agree with that analysis you two are.
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C
Yeah, I think it's good of you as a host and of a show. You start high and then let it
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taper off as the week taper off towards the week goes on. I'll be curious to see who's on Wednesday. Anyway, grateful to all of you for being part of the two way community. Grateful Hogan, thank you for being here tonight. I'll see it, I'll see it in three minutes on serious like and call me there if you want to be part of the conversation. 833-446-3496 to join me on Sirius XM channel 111, the man Kelly Channel. Gentlemen, let's finish with this. Is Tucker Carlson going to be arrested for espionage?
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No.
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No, Kevin.
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No.
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Hogan, did the president engage in a complex operation in which he fed Tucker false flag information knowing that Tucker would give it to the Iranians? Yes or no?
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I don't know.
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Don't know, but don't rule it out.
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I would not rule that out. No.
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Interesting. Kevin.
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It's all 3D chess, baby.
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It's all 3D chess. That's. That's true. True enough.
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This is more like 40 chest, isn't it?
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Yeah, it's definitely at least a fourth D. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being part of the two way community. Thank you, Kevin. Thank you, Hogan. I will see you on Sirius XM. I'll see you at 5pm Eastern Time tonight, and we'll see you back here 9am tomorrow. Have a great day and enjoy. Have a great.