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Could never imagine a million years they could do this. Don was the prime suspect. I knew that he had to be caught because I knew that he would kill again. But the police were powerless. We could not put him in jail because we did not have a body to go on. Until finally he strangled me with his hands. He was caught in the act. I drew my weapon and pointed it at his car. Aaron Moriarty. Do you see anything that was a sign of problems down the road? With a rare look inside the mind of a serial killer. It's a blinding fire blinds your reason. He was an extraordinary angry individual. But now this killer could walk free unless the victims families can stop. Why would you even take a chance that that could happen again? Bill Lagatuta investigates. He had precisely the same type of weapon that he'd used to kill women. He's more dangerous today than he was then. The killer next door. Their names conjure up the dark side of human nature. Ted Bundy. John Wayne Gacy. Jeffrey Dahmer. Serial killers. Their crimes always shock us. Their inhumanity enrages us. But can we unlock the mystery of what's in the mind of a serial killer? Are killers born or are they made? Does any killer deserve a second chance at freedom? Tough questions the residents of one Midwestern town have been struggling with for years. Their fight is to honor the loved ones they lost and to protect all of us. We begin with Aaron Moriarty in a place where things used to make a lot more sense. But then that was before there was a killer next door. How well do any of us know anybody else? How well do I know You. How well do we know each other? If you don't know what he's done, you can't tell that by looking at him. You see his innocent side. Those who grew up with Donald Miller in this quiet middle class neighborhood in East Lansing, Michigan thought they knew him. You know, he always was very clean cut. He usually had a nice smile on his face. He was very religious at the time too. Could never imagine a million years that he could do this. Gene and Elaine Miller saw their son come of age in the mid-1970s. Now is this when he was a youth minister? Yeah. While other teens grew long hair and dabbled in drugs, Don was all two parents could ask for. Did he drink? Oh, no, no. Absolutely used drugs? No. He seemed like a nice guy. Pleasant and accommodating and helpful. Good sense of humor. Don was a straight arrow college student who played trombone in the Michigan State University marching band, went to church every Sunday. He is like the boy next door. So you can understand why 19 year old Martha Su Yong thought Donald Miller was the perfect boy to bring home to her mother, Sue. What could be safer than a boy from the neighborhood? And the boy that you go to church with? Martha's younger sister Kay. There's me and There's. Martha was 16 years old at the time. What do you think when you see this picture? You know how gorgeous she is? She really is. Martha was also at Michigan State, a junior majoring in French when she became engaged to Don. I think Martha was the first girl that he really deeply loved. But after only a few weeks, Martha had a change of heart. She had broken off the engagement, but he talked her into just being friends. Then just two days later on New Year's Eve 1976, Martha suddenly disappeared. I awakened with this absolutely horrible, sick feeling because I hadn't heard her come in. And sure enough, her bed hadn't been slept in. She had spent New Year's Eve with Don Miller. And another horrible thing flashed through my mind and it was, oh my God, he's killed her. Don's story only confirmed that fear. He told me that he dropped her off at 2 in the morning and that she had sat down on our front doorstep in this horrible cold. I mean, you know, this made no sense whatsoever. Neither did Don's reaction. He wasn't concerned about it. There was totally no emotion. Did he seem concerned that she had disappeared? Absolutely. Absolutely. Gene Miller took time off from his job as a systems analyst for the state of Michigan to, to join his son Don in the search for Martha. Did you at all suspect your son? No, not at all. But the East Lansing police did. Well, we know that he wasn't telling the truth. Investigating officer Rick Westgate didn't believe Don Miller's story. From the start, we knew Don Miller knew something about the disappearance of Martha Sue Young. But when searches turned up, no body, no witnesses, no evidence, the police were only left with their suspicions. We could not put him in jail because we did not have a body to go on. There was no question in my mind that the police were wasting a lot of time. Don's parents hired attorney Tom Bankston. The evidence was clear. He didn't do it. In the meantime, Donald Miller went on with his life. This is graduation from university. What was his major in? Criminal justice. And then in October 1977, 10 months after Martha Young disappeared, two hunters stumbled on something strange. The clothes that Martha sue wore the night she disappeared, she had a winter jacket with a fur collar on it. It had the blouse inside the coat. The socks were inside the pants, and the shoes were at the end of the pants. But they didn't find Martha. They were laid out as if she floated out of the clothes, obviously that, you know, she was dead at that point. You know, after the discovery of Martha Sue's clothing, there were no more leads, no more clues. The case of the missing girl remained unsolved for a year and a half. And then In June of 1978, another girl disappeared. A little bit older than Martha Sue Young. Marita Choquette was 26 years old, but if you look at the pictures, maybe looked a little bit like Martha Sue Young with glasses. Two weeks later, her mutilated body was found. And on that very same day, another young woman, Wendy Bush, disappeared. She was last seen walking on the MSU campus at night with a unidentified white male. And then just two weeks after that, yet another young woman disappeared. You just don't think of anything like that happening. Margaret and Ken Guskeys, 30 year old daughter Christine. She was your oldest. She was our oldest. But this time there was a possible witness. She saw something but she couldn't recall. And they were going to use hypnosis. She reported a male who appeared to be physically attacking the female and was able to come up with a license plate number and composite drawing. And the composite drawing matched Don Miller to a T. And we could not bring in Don Miller for questioning. Why not? That is not enough evidence to convict or even arrest or bring somebody in for questioning. Did it ever occur to you when you were hearing these news reports of these other girls missing that your son was the killer? No, no. If that had been the case, I'd have been right to the police immediately. There was no physical evidence connecting Don Miller to any of the missing women. So police could only wait until the killer struck again. I knew that he had to be caught because I knew that he would kill again. And then just two days after Christine Stewart disappeared, Donald Miller is caught in the act. Next you know, it's a small town, it seemed safe. You don't think about murders happening in your town. By Mid August of 1978, the City of East Lansing and its police department were facing a crisis. The frustration level was beyond what any normal frustration level would. In the last two months, one young woman had been brutally killed. Two others had vanished. I think we pinpointed Don Miller to a T at that time and tried to say what can we do? How can we do it? But there was little Detective Rick Westgate could do without any evidence linking Don Miller to these three cases or to the disappearance of Martha Sue Young more than a year and a half earlier. They just ran out of anything to investigate until one August afternoon just two days after the last disappearance. Had you ever seen him before? No. When Don Miller walked into this house, he looked innocent. 14 year old Lisa Gilbert was home alone. When Don Miller walked through an unlocked door. No one knows why he picked this house. How did he find you? I don't know. I don't have a clue. Lisa's 13 year old brother Randy was outside with friends. It was at random. That's what they finally figured. It was just at random. Their stepmother Donna was at work when Miller attacked and almost killed Randy and Lisa. Have you two ever talked about it? No. Not to each other? No, not to each other. Why not? I guess maybe I was a little denial. I didn't want to know what happened to my sister. You know what? It is too painful for Randy. I can't talk about it even 20 years later. Can you stop in a minute? Sure. Of course. With Randy out of the room, Lisa describes what Don Miller did to her that day when she was only 14. He put his arm around me and had a knife holding at my neck. Then he took me into the master bedroom and told me to face down on the floor. He got knee high stockings and shoved them in my mouth and tied my hands behind my back. And then he sexually assaulted me and proceeded to attempt to murder me. When you say attempt to murder you, what do you mean? He first of all started strangling me with the belt that I had on my shorts. And then it busted. And then he strangled me with his hands. And then that's when I blacked out. Randy rejoins the interview and picks up the story. I walked into the house. I saw Don Miller come out of the master bedroom. Then he walked around, grabbed me from behind, put a knife to my throat. We went into my room, and then I started feeling him cutting at my neck, and he started to strangle me with his bare hands. When Randy blacked out, Don Miller began stabbing him again. But meanwhile, downstairs, I heard Randy screaming. Lisa had regained consciousness. So I got up and then just ran right out in the street. While a driver stopped to help Lisa, Don Miller was able to get away in his car. But the driver saw Miller's license plate. And with that information, I drew my weapon and pointed it at his car. The police finally had enough to arrest Don Miller. Don Miller, in his very quiet tone, said, what's going on? I've just been shopping at Myers. Why are you doing this to me? What are you charging me with? Miller was convicted of rape and attempted murder and was sentenced to 30 to 50 years in prison. We finally got Don Miller, but authorities still had the murder or disappearance of the other four women to solve. There was no physical evidence to any of the crimes in Don Miller, None. Even without the bodies. Prosecutor Peter Hauck went ahead and charged Don Miller with the murders of Martha Sue Young and Christine Stewart. We met with the families and said, we believe the cases we have are not strong cases. It was the agreement of all involved that we proceeded with the plea bargain. It was a highly unusual plea bargain. Donald Miller, who insisted he couldn't remember killing anyone, agreed to work with several psychologists to try and retrieve his memories. If successful, he would lead investigators to the missing bodies, but only under these conditions. That Donald Miller would be allowed to plead guilty only to manslaughter charges and that no additional prison time would be added to his sentence. In the end, the families felt they had no other choice. We needed to know for sure. There is always that hope against hope that they're alive if you don't have a body. So in July of 1979, I didn't do nothing to him. Psychologists tried to help Don Miller remember what he had done. We were dealing with two levels of consciousness. Dr. Gerald Briskin injected Miller with a sedative called sodium amytal to relax Miller and help him remember his past. Now open the door and let's see that other cell. It took time. She's in the river, isn't she? Who's in the water. And perseverance. Oh no. I never did nothing to her. But after several sessions, seems like it was me that didn't. Miller confessed to all four murders. Let's start with Marie. Did you kill Wendy? It seems so. Just like Martha, huh? As agreed. And where did you leave her body? Miller then led authorities to nearby wooded areas where they found the three remaining bodies. When you know that there is a body, then you stop looking for them. To wouldn't find date walk through the door. It finally brought an end, at least to looking for it. But now, 20 years later, the plea bargain that seemed to make so much sense has come back to haunt the Victim's families. At 43 years old, Donald Miller could be out of prison in just a few weeks. He's more dangerous today, I think, than he was. Was that when we come back? This is the case of the people of the State of Michigan versus Don Jean Miller. The fight to keep Donald Miller behind bars. On WhatsApp, no one can see or hear your personal messages. Whether it's a voice call message or sending a password to WhatsApp, it's all just this. So whether you're sharing the streaming password in the family chat or trading those late night voice messages that could basically become a podcast, your personal messages stay between you, your friends and your family. No one else, not even us. WhatsApp message privately with everyone. This episode is brought to you by JCPenney. And if you've been to JCPenney recently. Yes, JCPenney, you'll know it's becoming the way to find good clothes for prices that still make sense. 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But there's little chance the bill will become law before Donald Miller is due to be released. Prosecutors have found one more way to try and keep Donald Miller behind bars. One small discovery that's bringing Miller back to trial here in this courthouse, where, if convicted, he could be given life. What is this tiny new piece of evidence? Believe it or not, it's a shoelace. Well, this is the shoelace. Measured at 72 inches long, it may not seem like a lot. Those are the buttons or handles. But Eaton county prosecutor Jeff Sauter thinks it's just enough to keep Donald Miller behind bars. The nature of it's been changed. It's now configured as a weapon. The shoelace was confiscated from Miller's cell in 1994 because prison officials thought it could be used as a strangulation device. How would a weapon like that be used? I'd take the two handles, run the string through my fingers, loop it around once or twice, approach a person from behind. It's a purely offensive weapon. So Sauter is charging Miller with possessing a weapon in prison. That's the felony that could keep him there. Do you now view this as your last, best hope of keeping him in prison for a long time? Yes. Yes. All right. Please. But the case might not even get to court. Miller wants it dismissed. This is the case of the people of the State of Michigan versus Don Jean Miller. And today at a pre trial hearing, he takes the stand for the first time ever and explains the shoelace was not a weapon, but just a drawstring from his winter coat. I believe you also indicated that you had taken this out of your winter coat to repair the hem. But then when you took it back out of your coat, you tied it back up together. I didn't want to lose the buttons. You may step down. Yes, sir. The judge is not convinced. The court is going to deny the motion to dismiss. The prosecutors get their chances to take the case to a jury, but they will have to convince that jury that this shoelace is not just a shoelace, but a weapon used to kill. I'm looking at Don Miller's history. I know he's killed two women and tried to kill a third with an improvised device like that. He has a history of strangling people. It's that history of strangling people that prosecutor Sauter wants the jury to hear. He's sick. He just makes my skin crawl. And he wants them to hear it from Lisa Gilbert, the woman Donald Miller attacked 20 years ago. He used a belt on me to strangle. He used his hands to strangle not only me, but my brother. This is where he's been since he's been arrested. Tom Bankston, Miller's attorney, is just as anxious to keep that information out of court. The jury would be terribly influenced against Don if that evidence came out and convicted him because he's a bad person. The judge deals a blow to the prosecution ruling that Lisa Gilbert will not testify. There's too much prejudice here to even admit it. Not only that, the jury will not be told anything at all about Donald Miller's strangling or his serial killer past. So they'll have to make their verdict based on just the facts of the shoelace in the cell? That's correct. And nothing else? That's correct. Is it possible that in this case a shoelace is just a shoelace? If you're asking me do I think that that's something other than a weapon, no. Is it possible? The jury will think so. Sure. So will a shoelace be enough to keep Donald Miller from walking out of prison? His fate and the fight to keep him behind bars hang by a thread. Later on 48 hours. No. Next. He was an extraordinary angry individual. It's a blinding fire blinds your reason. Inside the mind of a serial killer. If you picture somebody who just is about ready to explode. Should someone have seen the signs? We didn't. If you were searching for a serial killer in the making, exactly what would you be searching for? Experts in criminal profiling say that there often are warning signs in childhood. These include the destruction of property and cruelty or violence toward other children or to animals. Perhaps our most disturbing image of a serial killer is from the movies. Remember Hannibal Lecter? He was the brilliant psychopath in Silence of the Lambs. As for the real life Donald Miller, he can only hope that he doesn't look the part. He still has a chance to go free even though he confessed to killing four young women. Here again is Aaron Moriart. Hannibal Lecter is an extraordinary character and people think, wow, isn't that a different kind of monster? A census taker once tried to test me. I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti. But the truth is much more mundane. Serial killers look just like anybody else. That's what makes Donald Miller's possible release such a concern to psychiatrists like is that there's nothing so special about serial killers that you can see them coming. To look at Miller now, you'd never suspect this slight Soft spoken man is in fact a brutal serial killer. You must have racked your brain over the last 20 years trying to figure out what didn't we do or what should we have done? Yeah, an awful lot of that. Donald's father, Gene, says he saw nothing in his son's place. This is done, I think, in 1962. That can explain his more recent behavior. If I did, I would tell you, but no, we didn't. You know, both Gene and his wife Elaine took parenting seriously. We always went to church. They raised Donald and his two younger sisters in a very strict. Let's take a look at Proverbs 4. Very religious home. Listen children to a father's instruction and be attentive that you may gain insight. Gene describes Don as a model child. You know, he helped around the house. He had a good work ethic and was never unkind to animals or people that I know of. But that, says psychologist Gerald Briskin, was exactly the problem. He was too good, he was too controlled. He was an extreme doctor. Briskin says you can learn a lot about Donald Miller. Just mostly relax by studying the videotapes he made back in 1979 while Miller was under the influence of sodium amytal. It's a blinding fire, blinds your reason. One thing that is, I think, very certain is that he was an extraordinary angry individual. I always try to keep this under control. Miller would show one face to the world. What kind of personality did he have? Very kind. While what he called his lower self felt something else. Angry. A lower self always feels angry. It's primitive. You know, he talks in terms of the good self and the bad self. The other self is ruled by pure emotion. The evil part are these very, very hateful rage like impulses that he's had all of his life. Don managed to hide it from nearly everyone except Martha's younger sister, Kay. He would get angry about something and we ended up going 130 miles an hour driving like crazy. To me, it wasn't normal. If you picture somebody who just is about ready to explode, you know, who's so angry they want to just do something, you know, and that's the way he seemed. Briskin says he believes Donald Miller was mentally ill. You know, that's the lay way of putting it. He's crazy and really didn't remember killing anyone. No, I never hit her. No. Is it possible that Donald Miller was faking it when he claimed he couldn't remember any of this? Sure, it's possible. That's the enigma, isn't it? God, he'd have to be one hell of an actor. That's exactly what psychiatrist Park Dietz believes, and some people fall for this, that Donald Miller is not mentally ill at all, just acting like he is. Sulphur is sick. Self is sick. We asked this nationally known expert on serial killers to review Donald Miller's case. And you feel like you and his interviews on videotape. He sold himself to various people as mentally ill. This helps him with his family, helps him with his church, helps him with how the public sees him because people can think, gee, he's a Christian gone sick. That's not true at all. He's a bad guy who's conned a lot of people. According to Dietz, Miller and most serial killers like Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy or Jeffrey Dahmer are not insane. But missing a key ingredient from birth. What would be genetic is lack of anxiety about killing or lack of empathy, lack of conscience. Those things probably have some genetic basis. And while it is not clear how the killer's early environment also plays a part, it's not just born that way. It's take what you're born with, take what your family gives you, what your environment gives you, and decide whether you're going to do it. When you look back, do you realize that he was more trouble than you ever realized growing up? No. I can't see it. But there were signs, clear signs, that Donald was seriously troubled. I have been told that Donald had incestuous relationships with at least one of his sisters. But we were having some sexual foreplay which we both really didn't like. Like what we did know, sometimes on her request and sometimes on mine. Gene says his wife Elaine told him about the incident only after Donald had been arrested. She didn't think it was of any big consequence. Also, she knew that if I heard about it that I would probably be a little more upset than she was with it. Aren't those signs that those parents should have reacted to? Those would be good clues, yeah. But neither Jean nor Elaine, who declined to speak with 48 hours, sought counseling for their son. People don't want to see their children as disturbed. It would be a mistake to blame the parents for this young man's crimes. It'd be a mistake to blame anybody but him for his character. In fact, not even a professional can accurately predict that a child will grow up to be a killer. In this case, Dr. Dietz theorizes that Donald Miller may have accidentally, accidentally killed Martha Sue Young in anger and then continued to kill because he enjoyed it. Donald Miller did receive a few years of psychological treatment in prison, raising the question, can he be cured? Treatment is excellent and very powerful for genuine mental illness. Treatment for people who are just bad actors is put together like a picture or have bad character is slow and not very successful. So the odds of successfully changing what's actually wrong with Donald Miller are slim. Just ahead, I made a loop and I'm pulling each side. What was Donald Miller doing with that shoelace in his cell? It was an innocent device, a shoestring. Precisely the same type of weapon that he'd used to kill women. 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Sometimes it sickens me to even think we're at this point. Yet today, Randy and his stepmother, Donna Irish are revisiting the past. I just pray that he'll be found guilty on these charges. Because after 20 years in prison, serial killer Donald Miller is back on trial. And without a guilty verdict, the man some experts say cannot be cured could end up back on the streets in just a few weeks. I don't know if this is like, last chance to keep him in as long as we can, but it is a chance. I got it. Don has done his time. He should be released. Attorney Tom Bankston represented Donald Miller 20 years ago. Do you think that the prosecution have something out for your client? It's overly aggressive on the part of some to prosecute this case. Overly aggressive, according to Bankston, because this case isn't about serial murder. It's about a shoelace. He had used it as a drawstring on his coat in the past. It was an innocent device. It was a shoestring. The prosecution team says the shoelace was actually a strangulation device found in Miller's prison cell four years ago. He had precisely the same type of weapon that he'd used to kill women and attempt to kill a woman. And here is why. Prosecutors believe one shoelace is their last best hope of keeping Donald Miller behind bars. If he's found guilty of having a weapon in his cell, that would be his fourth felony conviction. Under Michigan law, he would then be considered an habitual offender and he could get the sentence of life. The charges are unfounded, and I think it's very unfair. Donald Miller's parents, Gene and Elaine, have come to the courthouse to support their son. Why do you think it's unfair? Well, because shoelace was sold inside the institution. It was not used in any bad way that I can perceive. Was Donald Miller allowed to have the shoelace in his cell, and could it be used as a weapon? That's what the jury members will decide. And the judge has ruled they will make that decision without knowing Miller's history of strangulation and serial killing. As far as the jury is concerned, this is just a matter of a shoelace in a jail cell. Routine weapon in prison. Do you think the jury will convict on that alone? That's the scary part. I really don't know. And for those who know Donald Miller's past, the stakes are high. He's a murderer. He's a serial killer. I don't feel that he's fit for. I don't Want him hurting anybody else. How can a person like that just change? People do change. They are productive after they've done murders. I think he could do well on the outside. So prosecutor Pat Shannon introduces the shoelace without tying it to Miller's criminal past. What did you find in the box, if anything? Presenting testimony from the prison guard who found the shoelace in Miller's footlocker went through my mind automatically. This weapon that could be used to strangle someone or seriously hurt them. Immediately defense attorney Bengston attempts to cast doubt that the shoelace could have been a weapon. Would you have the jury believe that because the shoelace was tied that it wasn't authorized anymore? It was an altered state which no longer makes it a shoelace. Prosecutors then call on an expert to demonstrate the shoelaces lethal components. I've made a loop and I'm pulling each side away from one another. Bankston fires back with an expert of his own. Is the object depicted in these photographs a weapon? No, sir, it is not something of this length. Trying to wrap it around a second time would lose all elements of surprise. Not surprisingly, the jury never hears from the one person who knows exactly what the shoelace was to be used for. Donald Miller. It's got to be a weapon or other implement. I mean, I got a belt, I got a tie, I got all kinds of things. That doesn't translate to it being a weapon because if you made that conclusion, then we got the prison store selling weapons to inmates. That's crazy. That's not going on. This is a bootlace. This is a weapon. Remember the testimony and use your common sense. The jury's decision might be obvious if it knew Donald Miller's violent past, but it doesn't. And all the uncertainty is taking its toll. We're just a bundle of nerves. The jury's verdict coming up next. It's scary. It's really scary. Hey, it's Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile. Now I was looking for fun ways to tell you that Mint's offer of unlimited Premium Wireless for $15 a month is back. So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills. But it turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my big idea for the commercial. Give it a try@mintmobile.com Switch upfront payment of $45 for a three month plan equivalent to $15 per month required new customer offer for first three months only. 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If so, do say upon your oath that you find the defendant guilty. So you are members of this jury. I just wanted to hug the whole jury. He just was not aware that they could take a shoelace and make this big of an issue out of it. But for the jury, do you feel that this was a shoelace or a weapon? A weapon. It was clearly more than just an innocent shoelace. Could it be used as a weapon? Yes, it could be used as a weapon. And that's why what we went on at this point, you still don't know what his record is? No, just a few bits. The judge found out, so we filled in some of the details. He killed four people? Yes. I almost feel offended. We could have set him free. Free without the necessary knowledge to make a informed decision. If you had known, wouldn't you have been immediately prejudiced? I suppose. I suppose. But what if he would have received his parole in February and in March strangled somebody else? This case should have never even came to this point because that man should have been in prison for life anyways. Better come out this way. A life sentence is exactly what Randy Gilbert and his sister Lisa hope Donald Miller could finally be facing. He does not deserve to be out. Now living with her boyfriend in another state, Lisa has stayed away from the courtroom. I still have the fear. I still have. I'm still scared to see him face to face. So six weeks later, she waits by the phone as both sides return for the sentencing. This is the day, I think, that, you know, past 10, 11 years that I've been living for. Judge Nicholas Lambros can sentence Miller to anything from a slap on the wrist to life in prison. The 50th Circuit Court's now in session, we're going to ask the judge to consider somewhere in the area of two to five years, Miller's attorney, Tom Bankston, asked the judge not to focus on Miller's past. I mean, they. Absolutely, you, Honor, ignore the super job that Don Miller's done. For the last 20 years while incarcerated, he's tutored his fellow inmates. He's caused no problems. So he's trying to make right of a terrible, terrible situation that he created while he was mentally ill. Then, as Bankston goes on to talk about Miller's family, he has the loyal support of his mother and father. It evokes a rare show of emotion. And when the time comes for Don's release, the family has resolved to participate further with psychologists who might be able to help Don as he makes the adjustment back to society. Thank you very much, Mr. Bankston. Prosecutor Jeff Sauter, I'm gonna ask for at least 40 to 60 years. Makes the case for a tough sentence. He took their life without mercy. He left their bodies to decompose in remote fields. And he reads a letter from Lisa Gilbert. Your Honor, we were two innocent teenagers going about their everyday life, enjoying their summer. Then on August 16, 1978, at the age of 14, I was sexually assaulted, strangled and left for dead by Don Miller. My brother Randy, at 13, was stabbed, strangled and left for dead by him. My life for the past 20 years has been a roller coaster ride. I don't want Donald Miller to ever get out of prison because I'm scared he will find me and try to kill me again. I don't want to live my life in fear or have him hurt or murder others. And finally, Mr. Miller, is there anything you'd like to say? The last appeal. Yes, you, Honor. What I did 20 years plus ago, I wish I could undo. And I apologize to the families. I apologize to the surviving victims. I apologize to my parents that are here. I've been trying to get my life together in a very meaningful way. I never knew it would be construed as a weapon. With my education in criminal justice, I would not place something dangerous in my own footlocker. Thank you very much, Mr. Miller. Thank you. Now Judge Lambros must make his decision. There is nothing in your history, Mr. Miller, which gives this court any confidence to expect you are truly reformed and that the public has no more to fear from you. Indeed, your latest conviction compels the opposite conclusion. It will be the sentence and judgment of the court, Mr. Miller, that you be delivered into the custody of the Michigan Department of Corrections. The maximum of which the court, in its discretion, will now set at 40 years, and the minimum which will be set by this court in its discretion at 20 years. It is 20 to 40 years. At least 20 more years before Donald Miller can even dream of leaving prison. We would be in our 80s by the time he got out. And with a parole board in control for 20 years after that, there's a chance Donald Miller will not live to see his freedom. He's going to be in there for a long, long time. Would you be happy if you never have to worry about him again? Yes, I would. Well, you'd never have to worry about him again. You just sit back and you relax the rest of your life. 20 to 40. No life without parole sounds much better. But I'm thankful he got what he got. September 4th on Paramount. Plus, someone is trying to frame us. Until our names are cleared, we're fugitives from interval. Like Bonnie and Clyde. With better snacks. Espionage. You still as good a shot as he used to be? Better. Is there love? Language? We like to walk that fine line between techno thriller and romantic comedy. We make up our own rules. NCIS. Tony and Ziva. Streaming September 4th on Paramount this Friday. Justice has a new daddy says you served 20 years for man's laughter. You mean manslaughter? Must have been quite the joke. Liam Neeson. Surprised to see me? Me too. The Naked gun, Friday. Rated PG 13.