Post Mortem | Jade Janks and the Secret Nude Photos

Summary

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48 Hours Post Mortem: Jade Janks and the Secret Nude Photos

Podcast: 48 Hours
Host: Anne-Marie Green (CBS News)
Correspondents: Tracy Smith, Sarah Pryor
Air Date: September 16, 2025
Episode Theme:
A deep dive into the complex, tragic case of Jade Janks—the stepdaughter convicted of killing her stepfather, Tom Merriman, after uncovering hundreds of explicit photos of herself on his computer. This episode dissects the evidence, motives, and key missteps in the case, exploring themes of betrayal, vigilante justice, and the blurred lines between victim and perpetrator.

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Main Topics & Episode Structure

• [00:51] Quick case refresher
• [03:05] Mechanics of the murder
• [04:26] Jade and Tom’s relationship
• [05:30] Discovery of the nude photos
• [07:39] The crime scene & body disposal
• [10:33] The ex-boyfriend’s crucial 911 call
• [15:15] The "fixer" subplot & text messages
• [19:05] Fixer’s friend and overlapping witness stories
• [21:51] Prosecutorial strategy and Jade’s courtroom experience
• [24:45] Attempts to interview Jade and perspectives on victims
• [27:27] Tom’s friend’s view and final reflections

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Episode Summary

Case Refresher & Shocking Discovery

[01:25–02:32]

• New Year's Day 2021: Police learn from Jade’s ex-boyfriend that she may have killed her stepfather, Tom Merriman.

• Merriman was found dead. Jade, an interior decorator, is arrested and charged.

• Trial twist: Days before the murder, Jade found hundreds of explicit photos of herself—taken when she was younger—on Tom’s computer, used as his screensaver and stored on multiple devices.

  “It was the most violating, just awful, gut-wrenching feeling ever.”
  – Jade Jenks (court testimony), quoted by Tracy Smith [02:24]

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Murder Mechanics: Pressure, Drugs, and Strangulation

[03:02–04:26]

• Listeners’ top question: “How do you strangle someone and leave no marks?”

  • Strangulation requires surprisingly little force (as low as four pounds of pressure).
  • Death likely resulted from a combination of drug intoxication (mostly Ambien, among others) and gentle suffocation/strangulation.
  • Even state witnesses debated whether Ambien alone could be lethal.

  “The body wants to stay alive.”
  – Sarah Pryor [04:01]

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A Complicated Family Bond

[04:26–05:30]

• Jade considered Tom more a father than a stepfather; he referred to her as his daughter.
• Jade’s mother and Tom divorced, but Jade helped raise her half-brother, solidifying their familial bond.

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The Nude Photos: Discovery and Aftermath

[05:30–07:39]

• Jade discovered the photos while cleaning Tom’s home. She was horrified to find her explicit images (not taken by Tom, but by Jade or former partners) both on his desktop and laptop.

• She destroyed one hard drive and documented her find with photos.

• The defense claimed Tom organized the images obsessively, breaking them into folders by body part.

• Finding the photos traumatized Jade, leading to severe anxiety and paranoia.

  “She was vomiting. She said, you know, she couldn’t shower because she had those images in her head.”
  – Sarah Pryor [07:07]

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Crime Scene: The Body in the Driveway

[07:39–09:01]

• Tom’s body was hidden under a pile of trash in an otherwise pristine neighborhood, missed by police at first because it was dark.
• The remains weren’t discovered until daylight, despite the scene being “like a bad day at the mall... How is a whole body in there that no one notices?” (Ann Marie Green [08:24])

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Escape Plan Gone Wrong

[09:23–10:33]

• Jade’s intention seemed to be moving Tom’s body back into the house to make the death look like a drug overdose after a recent hospital discharge.
• If not for a call from her ex-boyfriend, the death might have gone uninvestigated.

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The Crucial 911 Call

[10:33–12:36]

• Jade called ex-boyfriend Adam Ziplak, asking for help moving Tom’s body.

• Adam was torn about what to do but ultimately called police the next morning, triggering the investigation.

  “She said that she had possibly killed her stepdad. I don’t know if she really did this.”
  – Adam Ziplak (911 call) [10:42]

• The call delayed police action until much later in the day, leaving room for speculation about what might have happened otherwise.

  “If Adam didn’t make that call that brought on the welfare check, she could have gotten away with it.”
  – Sarah Pryor [11:36]

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The “Fixer” and Suspicious Texts

[15:15–18:28]

• Jade also contacted an acquaintance, Alan Roach (“the fixer”), for help.

• Allegedly, Jade claimed she just wanted protection from Tom, not assistance in a crime.

• Texts between Jade and Alan turned out to be damning. Prosecutors argued they reveal her intent.

  Prosecutor: “At 3pm, you texted Alan, ‘He’s waking up, and I’m not sure how much longer I can control my temper.’”

  Jade: “True. I think, again, I was just panicking and trying to urge Alan to come over.”
  – Court exchange [17:19–17:40]

• Tracey reached out to Roach (now in Mexico), who declined to comment, stating “I only knew her for a week.” [18:45]

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Testimonies from the “Helpers”

[19:05–20:18]

• Brian Solomon, Alan’s friend, showed up at Jade’s request but claimed he immediately fled after she asked him to help strangle Tom.
• Both Adam and Solomon, independent witnesses, relayed similar stories about Jade’s confessions and requests, strengthening the prosecution’s case.

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Prosecution, Defense, and Courtroom Dynamics

[20:33–24:45]

• Prosecutors, Jorge Del Portillo and Teresa, worked as a team—Teresa holding Jorge in check to avoid making Jade appear more sympathetic than necessary.

  “They called it boxing him so that he couldn’t get too fidgety and too aggressive with her.”
  – Sarah Pryor [21:48]

• Both prosecution and defense acknowledged Jade’s sympathetic position, given Tom’s egregious invasion, but emphasized the law must be upheld.

  “No matter what Tom did, Jade can’t be the judge, jury, and executioner.”
  – Sarah Pryor [26:53]

• Jade took the stand, largely due to the need to explain her incriminating texts.

• Her own defense attorney was often tougher on her than the prosecutors, possibly aiming to engender sympathy.

  “He does need to ask her that question. Right. So, I mean, I think as a defense attorney, it makes sense to me better to say that he would ask her that question, so it would come from, you know, friendly fire. But it was aggressive.”
  – Tracy Smith [23:35]

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Victimhood and Complications

[24:45–27:18]

• Jade declined to participate in interviews with 48 Hours, as did most of her support network.

• The reporting team underscores the case’s “multifaceted” truth and the simultaneous likability and unlikability of both Tom and Jade.

  “There’s not one right and wrong. There’s a lot of layers to it. And there’s a lot more to Jade and her life that I think we would be really curious about.”
  – Tracy Smith [25:15]

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Tom’s Friends, Grieving, and Denial

[27:27–28:21]

• Tom’s friend, Pat Flanagan, struggles to accept the reality of the photos but can't disprove it.

  “I. I can’t disprove it. I find it. I. I don’t want to believe it.”
  – Pat Flanagan [27:34]

• Flanagan is left reconciling Tom’s secret actions with the public persona of his close friend and business partner.

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Final Reflections and Takeaways

[28:21–29:39]

• Both correspondents reflect on the human messiness and non-binary nature of cases like this.
• Sarah Pryor stresses how the tragedy could have been avoided if Jade went to authorities instead of taking matters into her own hands.

  “This is vigilante justice, I guess you could say, at its worst. And it just shows you that, you know, you can’t take it into your own hands. Like, this is how it works out. You know, no matter what this guy did, no one deserves to be murdered and thrown away like trash.”
  – Sarah Pryor [29:14]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It was the most violating, just awful, gut-wrenching feeling ever.” – Jade Jenks (court testimony) [02:24]
• “The body wants to stay alive.” – Sarah Pryor [04:01]
• “If Adam didn’t make that call that brought on the welfare check, she could have gotten away with it.” – Sarah Pryor [11:36]
• “No matter what Tom did, Jade can’t be the judge, jury, and executioner.” – Sarah Pryor [26:53]
• “There’s not one right and wrong. There’s a lot of layers to it.” – Tracy Smith [25:15]
• “She is a victim. You feel for her. But as the prosecutor said to us, no matter what Tom did, Jade can’t be the judge, jury, and executioner.” – Sarah Pryor [26:53]

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Closing Thoughts

This “Post Mortem” dissects a crime defined by deep personal betrayals and the tragic consequences of taking justice into one’s own hands. Both Jade and Tom are shown as deeply flawed—each in their own way a victim and perpetrator. The coverage underscores the ambiguity, emotional complexity, and enduring fallout that characterize so many real-life crimes.

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Transcript

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[Tracy Smith]

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[Ann Marie Green]

Foreign welcome to 48 Hours Postmortem. I'm CBS News anchor and 48 Hours correspondent Ann Marie Green. And it's time to answer your biggest questions from our latest episode about stepdaughter turned murderer Jade Jenks. Joining me today are 48 Hours correspondent Tracy Smith and producer Sarah Pryor, who reported on and produced this episode.

[Tracy Smith]

Hi.

[Sarah Pryor]

Thanks for having us, Anne Marie.

[Ann Marie Green]

We have a lot to discuss, but first, here's a quick refresher on the case.

[Narrator]

It was New Year's Day 2021, when a strange call came into the San Diego Sheriff's Department. The caller said his friend had confessed to murder.

[Adam Ziplak (Ex-boyfriend)]

She said that she had possibly killed her stepdad.

[Narrator]

The accused woman was Jade Jenks, an interior decorator. She lived next door to the alleged victim, Tom Merriman. Her stepfather, Assistant District Attorney Jorge Del Portillo, said detectives learned more from the caller.

[Prosecutor]

He told sheriff's deputies she confessed to drugging him, suffocating him and strangling him to death.

[Narrator]

Merriman's dead body was found and Jenks was arrested and charged with his murder. She said she was innocent. And in December 2022, when the case went to trial, there was a surprise. It turns out that just 10 days before Merriman's death, Jenks had discovered hundreds of her private explicit photos on his computer.

[Tracy Smith]

It was the most violating, just awful gut wrenching feeling ever.

[Narrator]

Jenks still insisted she didn't kill Merriman, but prosecutors said they'd discovered text messages that revealed a plot, a, a plot to murder.

[Ann Marie Green]

Okay, so we're going to discuss the crime scene, that pile of trash, the so called fixer who didn't fix, didn't show up. We're going to talk about Jade and Tom and of course, those, those nude photos, those naked photos. But I want to ask you, what was the most asked question that you got about this episode, Tracy, how do.

[Sarah Pryor]

You strangle someone and leave no marks?

[Ann Marie Green]

Yeah.

[Sarah Pryor]

The way that Jorge, the prosecutor, explained it to me is, hey, I just shook your hand. That was 11 pounds of pressure. To strangle someone, you only need 4 pounds of pressure. It's that light.

[Ann Marie Green]

Yeah. That was a great sort of moment in the piece that really sort of indicated how easy it is for someone to be strangled to death. And I thought a drug overdose could be reasonable. But can people overdose on Ambien?

[Tracy Smith]

There was some dispute about that. And I don't think even any of the state's witnesses were confident that you could really die from Ambien. You know, it certainly can be toxic, like a lot of drugs, but it's actually kind of hard to kill someone, whether it's drugs or otherwise. So that was, I think, the reason we were so stuck on this idea of a gentle strangling, because we've. Tracy and I think have both done stories where you really get emphasized with how difficult it is to take someone's life.

[Sarah Pryor]

Right. The body wants to stay alive.

[Tracy Smith]

It does. It does. And so I think what. What they explained to us in the interview is that it wasn't one mechanism. It wasn't just that she lightly, you know, strangled him. He was not doing so well because of all the drugs in his system. Ambien was the predominant one, but there were others, a number of others, in varying, you know, degrees. And so it was the combination.

[Ann Marie Green]

So we know from the episode that Tom is Jade's stepfather, but they're unusually close to me. What more can you guys tell us about their relationship? What did you learn?

[Sarah Pryor]

Yeah, it's interesting. Tom calls Jade his daughter, and she moved in next door to him. So they had this really close but clearly complicated relationship.

[Tracy Smith]

One of the things she talked about in her testimony was when they came to know each other, obviously. Jade's mother was married to Tom Merriman. That's how he became her stepfather and she became his stepdaughter. She was 14 or 15. And Tom and Jade's mom had a baby together around that time. So Jade is a teenager. There is now a baby in the house. And this marriage does not last.

[Ann Marie Green]

So the mom leaves.

[Tracy Smith]

I think Tom left the mom. That's how Jade told it. We don't know for sure, but they formed a bond then, and Jade sort of became, you know, stepmom to her half brother and helped raise him. So. So that's something she talked about in her testimony, that they sort of went through this experience together and formed a Bond there.

[Ann Marie Green]

So then I guess I can imagine just how shocking it must have been for Jade to then knock his computer and see a nude photo of herself as his screensaver.

[Sarah Pryor]

Can you imagine? Right. Your dad, essentially. Right. She thought of him as. As her father. Right. To find that.

[Ann Marie Green]

Yeah. And she's so horrified that it almost sort of shifts the way she views the world in a way. So Tom kept these photos in a couple of places on his. His computer desktop and on his laptop. But Jay destroyed the desktop hard drive.

[Tracy Smith]

That's right. Yeah. So he had two different computers. Her story is that she bumped the mouse on his desktop while she was cleaning when he was out in the. You know, sick in the hospital. And then her story is also that she destroyed that hard drive. She took pictures of the monitor and documented what she found. And so police. Police never found that hard drive.

[Ann Marie Green]

And in those pictures, you can see the desktop and the photos.

[Tracy Smith]

Exactly. See the monitor, you see the folder names. You see the pictures. Now, I am characterizing what I understand happened at trial. We never saw these. They were shown in court in a redacted version and not released publicly because obviously, these, you know, compromised privacy. Yeah, they are.

[Ann Marie Green]

I mean, I know it's not their job as a prosecution to figure out how he got access to these, but did anybody kind of dig into that?

[Sarah Pryor]

One thing to clarify is that Tom didn't take these photos. These were photos taken by Jade or by her, you know, old boyfriends or her old partners.

[Tracy Smith]

Consensually taken photographs. Yeah. That Tom got a hold of. Exactly.

[Sarah Pryor]

And the defense. The defense says that he blew up these pictures. He had files of these pictures, according to her body parts. It's incredibly disturbing. I mean, she was rocked by this. They. She said that she was vomiting. She said, you know, she couldn't shower because she had those images in her head. She devised this plan where she would actually sleep on a tarp so that if someone stepped into the room in the middle of the night, stepped on that tarp, it would wake her up. The noise of it would wake her up. You know, it. It. It clearly rocked her world.

[Ann Marie Green]

Let us talk about the crime scene now. Tom. Tom's remains there, found in a pile of trash. Tracy, you were actually in the neighborhood. We saw you there. You're walking around. You're on the driveway. Can you kind of describe the area?

[Sarah Pryor]

Sure. It's an idyllic little place. This is a beautiful. The driveway kind of goes back through these trees into this little open spot. The neighbor has this gorgeous little garden back There, it's just a pristine little spot. And that's why it's shocking that in the middle of this, there was a pile of trash that the police didn't notice because it wasn't like this place was, you know, overrun with junk and trash. It was very beautifully manicured and kept.

[Ann Marie Green]

And the other thing was, when I looked at that pile of trash, you know, the shopping bags, and I thought to myself, this looks like me. Like a bad day at the mall when I come home, and I just, like, dump a bunch of stuff at the front door. How is a whole body in there that no one notices?

[Tracy Smith]

When the undercover detective, she, you know, is off camera when she testifies, but when she noticed this pile of garbage and said, did anyone check this? Let me look. She picks up literally one item, and then she can tell it wasn't it. It's an entire human body is not so small. He's a grown man. Yeah.

[Sarah Pryor]

In their defense, it was. It was night. It was dark. They were looking inside the house initially in, you know, looking for blood, you know, those things that would typically look for if someone's missing. So I think it didn't. It didn't necessarily cross their radar until the sun came up. And when the sun came up, then she discovered it.

[Ann Marie Green]

So, you know, Tom's remains are found out out in the open. Obviously, you know, something's gone terribly wrong here. I couldn't help but to think that if Jade was able to get Tom back in that bed, which is what she was, you know, trying to do, she didn't really plan it out all that well. Perhaps she could have gotten away with murder. The prosecutors in the hour say, yeah, if he had gotten in that bed, the assumption would have been like, oh, he fell asleep, he had a bad reaction, and that would have been it.

[Tracy Smith]

Remember, he was just released from the medical facility the day prior. Yeah. Or that day, depending. Yeah.

[Ann Marie Green]

And then I guess with no physical proof of any sort of strangulation, if she had never even mentioned strangulation and was successful in moving him, that might have been sort of case closed tracee.

[Sarah Pryor]

Oh, yeah, they would. Chances are they would have seen it as an overdose. And she almost, I mean, even think about where he was in. Where he. Where his body was in the driveway there. I mean, she got him to that point. She just couldn't get him past that point. And I think she covered him up, thinking she could maybe come back and move him. You know, I don't think the plan was to leave him in the driveway. I think the plan was still to get him in the house.

[Ann Marie Green]

So according to Jade's ex boyfriend, Adam, she calls him to help her move Tom's body. And then he calls 91 1. Take a listen.

[Adam Ziplak (Ex-boyfriend)]

Sheriff's communication dispatcher 5538. Well, I've got a situation. Last night a friend of mine asked me to come over. She said that she had possibly killed her stepdad. I don't know if he really did this. What exactly are you trying to report? It sounds like he killed this guy.

[Ann Marie Green]

So he is me. Like, when I listen to this call, he sounds genuinely frightened but also a little uncertain. You know, sometimes people second guess whether they should be calling the police or not, but none of this. And you could hear all of that coming out in his voice, and he actually starts the ball rolling because I don't even think, you know, no one would have been looking for him if. If the ex boyfriend did not call. Was this kind of one of the strongest bits of evidence?

[Sarah Pryor]

Oh, you're so right. And think about. You were just saying she could have gotten away with murder if Adam didn't make that call that brought on the welfare check. She could have gotten away with it.

[Ann Marie Green]

And he's the one that sort of. I don't think we played this. But he. He's the one that says, listen, she confessed.

[Tracy Smith]

Yeah, it's not all in the 911 call. He then goes and talks to police and comes to testify at trial. But that's his story. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That she had told him everything or enough that he, you know, felt compelled. And, you know, this, remember this was New Year's Eve that he saw Jade of 2020. So it's, you know, the evening after dark. He'd been getting a tattoo all day. And he goes over, hears this story, and then he doesn't call police until the next morning. And so he was sitting with this, you know, kind of tossing and turning, you know, talking to his friend, talking to, you know, other people before he makes a decision to call.

[Ann Marie Green]

I'm just curious because he sounded so authentically concerned in that 911 call. You could. And it didn't even sound like officers were really taking him all that seriously.

[Tracy Smith]

It took a minute for it to escalate because he calls it, let's say, nine, maybe it's 9:30 on the morning of New Year's Day, and the police are calling around trying to figure out if Tom Merriman's alive, where he may be. They go to his house eventually, by the afternoon to find him. And they don't. And they don't get the warrant to investigate, I think, until midnight. So it's. It's quite a bit of time passes, you know, really that whole day of New Year's Day.

[Ann Marie Green]

And do we know anything about the nature of the relationship that he had with Jade? I mean, she felt confident enough to call him.

[Tracy Smith]

There was a bit in a trial about a jealous girlfriend that he had after he and Jade. He and Jade were exes from a long time past. And then I think he had a more recent relationship then. There was a lot of jealousy. And so Jade was not actively in his life until, you know, pretty close to the time of Tom Merriman's death.

[Sarah Pryor]

And I think it goes to her desperation that she's just trying to get someone to help her move Tom, to help her continue this plan, carry out this plan.

[Ann Marie Green]

So it seems like Jade was very close to getting away with the murder of her stepfather. But when it came to actually executing her plan, everything sort of fell apart. When we get back, we're going to talk about Jade's side of the story when she takes the stand in her defense.

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[Ann Marie Green]

All right, welcome back, everyone. So Jade's plan was unraveling. She couldn't move Tom's body. She called her ex boyfriend, and then the guy prosecutors have called the fixer. And I got it in like quotation marks. Who is the fixer? Tracy.

[Sarah Pryor]

Okay, so if you're a fan of Quentin Tarantino, as I am in the movie Pulp Fiction, there's the fixer, played by Harvey Keitel. And he's kind of the guy who comes in and cleans up the messes fixes your problems. So that's why I think the prosecutors dubbed this guy Alan Roach, the Fixer. He was going to come in and fix Jade's problem. Now, Jade will tell you that the problem was simply that she wanted to keep Tom at bay. She wanted a big guy to protect her and to help her confront Tom with these naked photos that she discovered. Of course, the prosecutors say that the fixer was there for another purpose.

[Ann Marie Green]

I mean, fixers don't typically, you know, list themselves on the Internet. How did she even meet this guy?

[Tracy Smith]

Through Facebook. Some friend of hers, I think, from high school. And so the first couple of messages, actually between Alan Roach and Jenks are on Facebook. And I think that's where he says, if you have a problem, I can fix it for you. So it was. Yeah, he sort of almost named himself.

[Ann Marie Green]

So she meets him through a friend of a friend.

[Tracy Smith]

Yep.

[Ann Marie Green]

I presume he doesn't come with references. How does she know she can trust this guy? Or why does she trust this guy?

[Sarah Pryor]

She doesn't. I mean, she doesn't know that she can trust him.

[Tracy Smith]

And she's desperate.

[Sarah Pryor]

She's desperate. And remember, we talked about her state of mind after finding these photos. You know, this drove her a little bit around the bend. So she's. I think she's just trying to figure out what to do next.

[Ann Marie Green]

But then, you know, she says, listen, as you guys point out, I just needed someone to protect myself from Tom. But there's a series of text messages that suggest otherwise, and they become really important evidence. I want to play some of the sound from the hour.

[Prosecutor]

At 3pm you texted Alan. He's waking up, and I'm not sure how much longer I can control my temper.

[Tracy Smith]

That right?

[Ann Marie Green]

Yes.

[Tracy Smith]

We lost to Alan.

[Prosecutor]

You texted Alan. He's waking up and getting way more aggressive. So it's way more real.

[Ann Marie Green]

True. True.

[Tracy Smith]

I think, again, I was just panicking and trying to urge Allen to come over.

[Prosecutor]

You would agree with me that this looks very suspicious, this text message.

[Tracy Smith]

Oh, yeah.

[Ann Marie Green]

So she says, oh, yeah, like, pretty casually. Right? So what is her side of the story?

[Tracy Smith]

Jade's story is that she's totally innocent, that she, you know, all of these texts were innocent. They were taken out of context. She says, you know, Tom was, you know, incapacitated. She tried to get him home. She couldn't do it. She let him sleep it off overnight in her car. She goes there on New Year's Day morning and finds his body. She can't quite accept the truth. She realizes he's probably Dead. And when she does, in fact, you know, come to that understanding, she panics. That's her story, that she absolutely panicked and covered him up, thinking she would be blamed because she had been the one who picked him up the day before.

[Ann Marie Green]

So the fixer, Alan Roach, never came to help Jade. But did he ever come to trial? Did he ever testify?

[Tracy Smith]

He did not. No. Alan Roach, he was. I think what the prosecutors told us was that they, the jury heard that he was legally unavailable.

[Ann Marie Green]

Did you guys try to get in contact with him?

[Tracy Smith]

Our best information showed him in Mexico. And I actually sent him a text through Facebook just like how Jade met him. And he just said, I don't want to talk about it. I only knew her for a week. Which is accurate. She was introduced to him on December 23rd on that first Facebook exchange. And Tom Merriman died on December 31st. So.

[Ann Marie Green]

So who does show up, though? Is the second guy the Fixer's friend or the fixer's fixer? So, so to speak, he. That person goes to trial. Solomon.

[Tracy Smith]

Brian Solomon. Yep.

[Ann Marie Green]

And I just want to point out that Alan Roach and Brian Solomon were never charged in connection with Tom's murder. But what does Brian Solomon say at trial?

[Tracy Smith]

His story is basically that he shows up and Jade says, help me strangle this dude. And he's like, I don't know you, and I'll be right back. I have to make a phone call. And he is not right back. He is gone. And his girlfriend came to testify and corroborated that story. She dropped him off at Solano Beach. She drove. It's a block, literally from the ocean. It's such a lovely space. She basically gets to the water and has to turn back around and get him. So he. He goes right out, completely freaked out.

[Sarah Pryor]

Of course, by what has just transpired.

[Ann Marie Green]

Right.

[Sarah Pryor]

And remember, these two guys don't know each other.

[Tracy Smith]

Right. Going back to the ex boyfriend, Adam. Yeah. So that same term comes from Brian Solomon, who's only knows Allan Roach, who doesn't know Jade, and Adam Ziplak, who does know Jade and is there at a totally different time.

[Sarah Pryor]

And yet they have similar stories. You know, she wanted me to strangle him. She told me she strangled him. So how does that happen?

[Ann Marie Green]

As I was watching it periodically, I would say, but this is a secondhand confession. Why would they pin so much to this? But I guess if you hear it over and over again, well, at least twice, then it starts to pique your interest if you're a prosecutor.

[Tracy Smith]

Well, and I think you know, my Impression of the prosecutors. You know, it's. They will often tell you this. We've met many prosecutors over the years, that their mission is to find the truth, whatever it is. I think they believe this is really what happened. I think it is a complicated and not ideal story for them, but I think they thought it was true.

[Ann Marie Green]

Yeah. So you guys, you're talking a little bit about the prosecutors. They had kind of an interesting dynamic between the two of them. What was it like talking to them?

[Sarah Pryor]

Oh, wow.

[Tracy Smith]

They.

[Sarah Pryor]

They really did. They. They really played to each other's strengths and knew each other really well. I mean, so much so that Jorge kind of said, you know, I'm a little aggressive at times, and Teresa has to reign me in. And she jumped in and said, well, actually, what I do is I. I pass him post it notes and say, hey, tone it down, or hey, move on. When he starts to get a little overexcited to the point where he can get a little physical. He gets a little fidgety when he gets really excited about something. And they did not want him to be that way when he was talking to Jade on the stand. And so the detective and Teresa sat on either side of Jorge and kind of pinned him in. They. They called it boxing him so that he couldn't get too fidgety and too aggressive with her. And clearly it worked because they didn't.

[Ann Marie Green]

Want to make her look like more of a victim. Because the weird thing about this case is both are victims in some way or another.

[Tracy Smith]

Yeah. They said outright, they said she's a sympathetic defendant. You know, they understood that about Jade, about her situation. And. And it's really, when you go into a courtroom, it's about a story, and the jury is getting an impression of people and a story, you know, so if they see a story where Jade's the victim, that. That goes against their conclusion, which they want a conviction, you know, And I don't think, again, they told us straight out they believe that Tom had these pictures. So they. They understand that, and they have some sympathy for Jade, too. But I think they also believed she murdered Tom Merriman.

[Ann Marie Green]

So. Talk about a sympathetic character. I wondered if that was part of the reason her defense attorney put her on the stand. This is sort of a shocking decision.

[Sarah Pryor]

Yeah. Although she had to explain those texts.

[Tracy Smith]

She.

[Sarah Pryor]

The prosecutor said they weren't surprised at all that she took the stand because she had to explain those texts. And I think you're right. I think he was. He was looking to make her sympathetic, and maybe that's why her own attorney was so tough on her, that that was his strategy, was that would somehow make her look more sympathetic, but it seemed like he was tougher on her than the prosecutor was on her. Okay.

[Ann Marie Green]

Because there were times as I'm watching the hour, and because of the way the video is set, if you don't actually see who's asking her the question, that I had to rewind because I wasn't sure if she was being grilled by the prosecution or asked a question by the defense. And you're right, it seemed like her own attorney was much harder on her and she was falling apart on the. On the stand under his questioning.

[Tracy Smith]

Yeah, we tried to leave clues when we were putting together the broadcast for exactly that reason, because we had that impression too. Like, he, you know, he's like, did you kill him? And she's like, oh, you know, and that's. That's her attorney. He does need to ask her that question. Right. So that. I mean, I think as a defense attorney, it makes sense to me better to say that. That he would ask her that question. So it would come from, you know, friendly fire. But it was. It was aggressive.

[Ann Marie Green]

And the other thing that I observed, maybe no one else observed this. You know, we see all these, like, gorgeous pictures of her. She's beautiful. But in court, she looks nothing like that. That she sort of like, you know, came from a cell and she was going back to a cell. I don't know if did anybody else observe that.

[Tracy Smith]

It's just she was not in jail at the time of trial. Right. She was out on bond until she was convicted. But she did have kind of a wretched demeanor. I think that's a word that came to mind as you were talking. And I was remembering the. The tape of her testimony.

[Ann Marie Green]

So, see, I didn't even know she was. I assumed that she had been behind bars because she just looks so much different in her sort of social media posts. Did you guys try to talk to Jade? How did that go?

[Tracy Smith]

We did not have success. Now she has appealed the verdict, you know, and probably wants to protect that legal process. Everyone is free to decline. But we worked so hard to talk to her or feel friends, family members. You know, we had a lot of casual conversations and in the end weren't able to get anyone. Well, yeah, that's not fair. We had a friend of hers who did talk to us, but, you know, there were a lot of people in.

[Ann Marie Green]

Court supporting her, but wouldn't talk to 48.

[Tracy Smith]

You know, they might have had their reasons that they didn't share with us. It's always. You always want to talk to everyone, you know, because I think, you know, part of this conversation, I think what we're bringing out about this case, and it's true of many of them, is that the truth is just multifaceted. You know, there's not one right and wrong. There's a lot of layers to it. And there's a lot more to Jade and her life that I think we would be really curious about. And to hear from her, just period. To hear from her, and that kind.

[Ann Marie Green]

Of comes to almost sort of the crux of this case. And we talked about this earlier, that we have two victims and two perpetrators, sort of. Neither of them are easy to like. Once you hear about their behavior. Um, they're easy to like, sort of on the surface, you know, this beautiful girl, successful, creative. He raises butterflies. I mean, who couldn't like that? And then this underbelly, this other behavior that makes them unlikable. That's gotta be a challenge when it comes to storytelling.

[Sarah Pryor]

Yeah, it's true. I mean, when you hear about those photos, finding those naked photos on. On his computer, how could you not sympathize with her? I mean, of course, we all put ourselves in her shoes and say, oh, my goodness, that would be horrifying. Yes. So she. She is a victim. You feel for her. But as the prosecutor said to us, no matter what Tom did, Jade can't be the judge, jury, and executioner.

[Ann Marie Green]

Yeah.

[Tracy Smith]

Yeah. You don't get to do that. Right. So. And, yeah, Tom's friend talked to Tracy about this. Tom was buried under garbage. I think that stings. You know, that's. You know, there is. There is sympathy for Tom, I think, you know, we all felt it at the same time. No one has disputed what he did with those pictures and to his family member. So it's. It's a complicated case.

[Ann Marie Green]

Hey, you know, just because you just said that, I want to circle back to Tom's friends. Tracey, I want to play a clip from your conversation with Tom's friend Pat Flanagan.

[Sarah Pryor]

Jade said that she found nude photos of herself on Tom's computer. Do you believe that?

[Prosecutor]

I. I can't disprove it. I find it. I. I don't want to believe it.

[Sarah Pryor]

It's interesting you say you don't want to believe it. Yeah, Pat really kind of refuses to believe it at this point. He just. Yeah, he can't reconcile. At least that's what he seemed when we spoke with him. Perhaps he's changed his mind since then, but he just couldn't. Couldn't. He was in denial about that actually being a fact.

[Tracy Smith]

I think he. We're talking about complications. Pat Flanagan is grieving the loss of his friend and business partner. He had to shut down the butterfly farm, but at the same time, he's got this set of facts about Tom's actions that I think are really hard to reconcile, and maybe he just can't.

[Ann Marie Green]

Yeah, you do so many of these. Was there anything that was a takeaway from this episode?

[Tracy Smith]

You know, I think the thing that comes up, you know, every set of facts is different, but at the end, I think what the viewers are responding to and the reason that I'm so interested and engaged with my job is it's the human condition. And it's not a simple story of this innocent person and, you know, this guilty one. It's. We want that. I think we all, as humans, want nice binary right and wrong and. And we also know as grownups, it's not true.

[Sarah Pryor]

For me, it just. This is something where the. The justice system could have worked so well if she just would have reached out to the. To the right people, gone to the police, you know, talked to somebody about this instead of trying to take action, you know, take it into her own hands. I mean, it's just, it, it's. This is vigilante justice, I guess you could say, at its worst. And it just shows you that, you know, you can't take it into your own hands. Like, this is how it works out. You know, no matter what this guy did, no one deserves to be murdered and thrown away like trash.

[Ann Marie Green]

Tracy, Sarah, this has been great. So glad you guys made time to talk to us about this hour. Another Spectacular hour of 48 hours. Thank you so much.

[Sarah Pryor]

Thanks for having us.

[Tracy Smith]

Thank you.

[Ann Marie Green]

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