Post Mortem | The Man with Two Names

Summary

48 Hours Post Mortem | The Man with Two Names

Date: May 19, 2026
Host: Ann Marie Green
Guests: Erin Moriarty (48 Hours Correspondent), Josh Yeager (48 Hours Producer)

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Overview

This episode of “48 Hours Post Mortem” delves into the astonishing, decades-spanning criminal saga of a man known alternately as Ted Maher and John Green. The hosts and producers revisit his involvement in two highly publicized legal cases – the mysterious death of billionaire Edmond Safra in Monaco in 1999, and his more recent 2025 conviction for attempting to solicit the murder of his wife in New Mexico. The conversation is a deep exploration of deception, reinvention, and the unpredictable paths a criminal investigation can take.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Origins: Monaco, 1999

[03:32] Erin Moriarty recounts Maher’s unlikely entrance into the world of international finance:

• Maher (then Ted Maher), a neonatal nurse in NYC, returns a camera left behind by the parents of twins under his care. These parents, friends of Edmond and Lily Safra, introduce Maher to the Safras, eventually leading to his employment as Edmond’s nurse.
• Maher bolsters his “credentials” by claiming to be a former Green Beret, appealing to Safra who wanted security due to his Parkinson’s and fear of enemies.

[05:23] Josh Yeager summarizes the night of the fatal fire:

• Both Safra and his nurse locked themselves into a secure room after Maher reported intruders.
• Maher, found with stab wounds, claimed to be injured by the intruders and said he started a fire in a wastebasket to alert authorities.
• Early on, Maher was seen as a hero, but a signed confession shifted perception: "In part because Maher signed a confession saying there were no intruders. He said he stabbed himself, then set that small fire."
• Authorities argue the deaths could have been prevented but for Maher’s misdirection about intruders, which slowed the response.

[07:06] Josh Yeager and Erin Moriarty detail the extraordinary efforts to interview Maher in Monaco jail.

• Josh describes using a nearby rooftop to film Maher in the prison yard, yelling questions to him as he "was by himself in the prison yard."
• Erin recalls Maher’s response:
  • "He said he was, as I recall, innocent as charged. And I'm not responsible for the death of two people." (Erin Moriarty, [08:32])

2. Prison Break and Aftermath

[09:11] Maher’s escape from Monaco prison:

• Modeled on a thriller: Maher cuts through bars with hacksaw blades hidden in his cell, creates a rope of trash bags, and descends the wall.
• Josh and Erin happen to be in Monaco during the escape, covering the story.
  • Erin: "It must be 2:30 or 3 in the morning when my phone rings... It is Ted Maher's wife. She said, my husband escaped. He just called me from outside of the prison..."
• Erin films the escape evidence before being interrogated by police (who are suspicious about the coincidence).
• Maher is recaptured the next day.

3. Reinvention: Ted Maher Becomes John Green

[12:18] After years of silence, Ted Maher resurfaces:

• Josh Yeager learns through a Google search that Maher, now John Green, was recently convicted in New Mexico of soliciting his wife's murder.
  • "I look below that on the Google search, and I learn that Ted Maher got out of prison in Monaco, came back to the United States, changed his name to John Green, and just last spring, the spring of 2025, was convicted for soliciting the first degree murder of his wife in New Mexico." (Josh Yeager, [12:18])

4. The New Mexico Case: Marriage, Manipulation, and Murder for Hire

[15:34] The team interviews Kim Lark, John Green’s ex-wife:

• Lark, a retired physician and search-and-rescue dog trainer, met Green when he sought a biopsy at her office. She married him in 2020, knowing of his past ("he told her his real name, Ted Maher. And then he gave her the book...").
• Kim admits: "Whatever I wanted my best friend to be, he was. And he had a way of just being who you needed him to be." (Erin Moriarty paraphrasing Kim Lark, [16:42])

[17:01] Kim’s suspicions:

• She becomes wary as inconsistencies pile up, particularly regarding Green’s military claims.
  • “We took a concealed weapons permit. Now, supposedly Ted is a Green Beret...I really outshot him with my right and my left hand...I thought, oh, dear God, he’s lying about that.” (Kim Lark, [17:47 - 18:06])
• Army records show no proof of Green Beret service.

[19:01] Marriage deteriorates amid charges of forgery and larceny:

• Kim is particularly distressed when Green drives away with her highly trained and valuable search-and-rescue dogs, including one pregnant dog.

5. Murder Solicitation Plot Unfolds

[20:29] The jailhouse arrangement:

• Greg Markham, Green’s cellmate, claims Green asks if he can arrange Kim’s murder. The plot involves fentanyl-laced water and threatening Kim’s dogs to ensure compliance.
  • "He says that Greene told him that the way to force her to take fentanyl...is by pointing a gun not at Kim, but at her dogs." (Josh Yeager, [22:12])

[23:23] Discovery of the plot:

• Another inmate overhears and pens a warning letter to Kim, offering testimony in exchange for compensation.
• Authorities investigate, leading to Green’s arrest and Markham’s testimony.

6. Trial, Conviction, and Aftermath

[24:22] Green is prosecuted and convicted in March 2025:

• Charged with criminal solicitation to commit first-degree murder.

• Markham’s testimony is central.

• Green denies everything, displaying evasive answers in a video interview.

  • Notable exchange:

  • Josh Yeager: “Did you take responsibility for any of this?” ([25:51])

  • John Green / Ted Maher: “Well, I took the responsibility for what I did when I took the dogs, but what I did was, in most terms, in most...most actions was community property. I didn't take a gun to anybody's head..." ([26:09])

  • Josh: "Did you want Kim Lark dead?"

  • Green: "No, absolutely not." ([26:34])

• Erin: “You don’t pay $2,500 to kill somebody because Greg Marcum said the $2,500 payment was only the initial installment...” ([26:49])

• Judge at sentencing states concern for Kim’s safety. Kim still keeps a shotgun within easy reach.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Maher’s duplicity:

  • "He's a chameleon, right? That's what I think he is. He's a chameleon." (Josh Yeager, [16:57])

• On covering Maher’s story:

  • "You think you've seen everything in this job...but this still ranks up there among the most bizarre things that have ever happened." (Erin Moriarty, [09:55])

• Kim Lark’s realization:

  • "Just little by little, I realized that a lot of them were stories...I thought, oh, dear God, he's lying about that." (Kim Lark, [17:39], [18:06])

• Markham’s self-description:

  • "Markham called himself a con man. Not a hitman. One thing that he was unequivocal about, though, was that I may be a lot of things, but I'm not an assassin and I would never kill anyone." (Erin Moriarty, [23:07])

• Erin Moriarty’s impression after the interview:

  • "He has a way of saying a lot without answering your questions at all." (Josh Yeager, [25:29])

• Kim’s lasting fear:

  • "Even now, even though Green is still behind bars as we speak, she still keeps a shotgun within easy reach." (Josh Yeager, [27:02])

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Important Timestamps & Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:09 | Podcast begins, introduction of guests and case background | | 03:32 | Ted Maher’s origins and early connections to Edmond Safra | | 05:23 | The fire, investigation, and initial perceptions of heroism and guilt | | 07:06 | The makeshift prison yard interview in Monaco | | 09:11 | Maher’s prison escape and immediate aftermath | | 12:18 | Rediscovery of Maher as John Green, new charges in New Mexico | | 15:34 | Kim Lark’s introduction and her perspective on John Green | | 17:17–18:06 | Kim’s red flags and suspicions about Green’s stories | | 20:29 | The murder-for-hire plot in jail with Greg Markham | | 23:23 | Discovery of the plot via another inmate’s letter | | 24:22 | Trial, conviction, and sentencing details | | 25:40–26:49 | Josh Yeager interviews Green (recorded excerpts) | | 27:02 | Kim's ongoing fears and security measures | | 27:37 | Update on the fate of Kim's beloved dogs |

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Summary

This “Post Mortem” episode delivers much more than a recap; it’s a behind-the-scenes odyssey of criminal reporting, complete with daring interviews, international intrigue, jailbreaks, and the enduring enigma of a man adept at living multiple lives. Through first-hand reporting and candid interviews with those closest to the case, the correspondents take listeners deep into the long shadow of Ted Maher/John Green, exposing how one individual’s mix of invention and deception has left a trail of danger and heartbreak across decades and continents.

The saga ends, for now, with Green in prison, Kim Lark rebuilding her life alongside her rescued search-and-rescue dogs, and the correspondents marveling at one of the strangest cases of their careers — a true "hell of an odyssey.”

Transcript

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[Ann Marie Green]

Welcome back to another episode of 48 Hours postmortem. I'm your host, Ann Marie Green, and today we are talking about the man with two names. The first name, John Green. He is serving time for soliciting the murder of his wife in New Mexico. He was also convicted for forging CH and larceny. But more than 20 years earlier, this same man, then known as Ted Maher, was at the center of an international murder mystery involving a billionaire in Monaco. So joining me now to unpack this intercontinental criminal decades long saga, our 48 Hours correspondent Erin Moriarty and producer Josh Yeager. Thanks for joining us, Aaron and Josh.

[Erin Moriarty]

Hi, Annemarie. It's a pleasure to be here.

[Josh Yeager]

It's great being here because I think Josh would agree with me this is one of the more unusual defendants we've ever run into, wouldn't you say?

[Erin Moriarty]

I would say so. We've both been doing this job a long time and it's hard to, hard to get to know him, hard to know what to believe. And it's been an adventure covering him.

[Ann Marie Green]

So speaking of that, you all have actually been covering Ped Maher, John Green since 2002.

[Josh Yeager]

Well, not exactly. I mean, we really thought back then when that story ended, when he was convicted that we had seen the last of him. So, I mean, I think Josh and I were both surprised that he would come back into our radar screen with a whole other crime.

[Ann Marie Green]

Okay. So there is obviously a lot to talk about before we get going. Of course, a reminder for everyone if you haven't watched or listened to this episode. It's called the man with Two Names. Go check it out, and then come on back for our conversation here at Postmortem. So first, we're going to take you back to the late 1900s. More specifically, December 3, 1999. In the early morning hours, emergency responders arrived at the Monte Carlo penthouse of billionaire Edmund Safra. There had been a fire, and both Safra along with his nurse. Her name is Vivian Terente. They've died from smoke poisoning. Well, soon after, an American then known as Ted Maher was arrested. Josh Maher is working as a nurse. But how does this American nurse find himself involved in the life of an international financier, one of the wealthiest men in the world?

[Erin Moriarty]

It's just an amazing story and an incredibly lucky turn of events in his life. At least it seemed so at the time. He'd been working as a nurse in a hospital in New York City, and he was in the neonatal unit. According to his wife, at the time, he had taken care of twins at the hospital. But when the babies were allowed to go home, the parents mistakenly left behind a camera, which turns out to have had the very first pictures of the babies on it. And he contacts them. Well, it turns out these parents, this couple is a very wealthy couple who live in New York who happen to be friends of Edmund Safra and his wife Lily. And they're so grateful to Ted for returning their camera. And they say to Ted, we have someone we'd like to introduce you to. A friend of ours happens to need a nurse. And the rest is history.

[Ann Marie Green]

His wife at the time, she said that she felt that part of Safra's attraction to someone like Maher was that he was also purportedly a Green Beret. Right, Aaron?

[Josh Yeager]

Yes. But, Anne Marie, remember, Safra had Parkinson's. So he was sick. He wanted great care. But also, Safra surrounded himself with security because he believed he had enemies who might come after him. So the fact that Ted Maher told people that he was a Green Beret, this appeared to be a perfect fit. A nurse who also had a military background. So Ted took the job, moving around with the Safras, so sometimes going back home to New York and eventually ending up in Monaco with the Safras.

[Ann Marie Green]

But then there is this fire, and there are all sorts of versions about how the events unfold. Erin, what do we know?

[Josh Yeager]

We know, for one thing that Safra and his nurse died from smoke poisoning. As you had Talked about. And the two had locked themselves into a secure room when Ted Maher alerted them to that there were intruders in the apartment. Maher was, in fact, found wounded at that time. He claimed he was stabbed by two intruders. He also said that the reason why he lit a small fire in a trash basket was because he thought that would set off the fire alarm and get help, thinking that the fire department, especially in Monaco, that small country, they would respond quickly. What did seem odd to observers at the time, this became a big deal afterwards, is that most of Safra's wasn't there that night. So that seemed to be very strange. Maher's wife at the time told us that her husband was initially seen as a hero. But then later, he was charged with arson. And in part because Maher signed a confession saying there were no intruders. He said he stabbed himself, then set that small fire. His lawyer, though, maintained that Ted never intended to kill anyone. He just wanted to look like a hero by saving his boss. And his attorney also said that no one would have died if the responders had gotten to the victims faster. But authorities blamed Ted because they said they did get to the scene in minutes, but they had to be careful. And they slowed their response because Ted had told them that there were violent intruders inside at the scene.

[Ann Marie Green]

So he is arrested. And, Josh, you were in Monaco in 2002, and you are able to briefly film him in prison. You throw him a few questions, but I need to hear that story about how you even managed to do that.

[Erin Moriarty]

Well, as a producer, you encounter lots of obstacles in the field, and your job is to get around them, over them, under them. In this case, we got over above. Above one, exactly. Monaco did not make Ted Maher available to the press for interviews, and we were afraid we weren't going to get to talk to him. But over the course of the trial, I noticed that when the court wasn't in session, he would come out into the prison yard, which was a sort of an asphalt surface with a cage around it, at roughly the same time every day. And there was one building right up next to the prison yard, which happened to be something like 10 stories tall. And so I took the crew, and we somehow managed to talk our way through the lobby of this building and get permission to go up on the roof with our camera and our tripod. And right on schedule that day, he came out, and he was by himself in the prison yard. We started filming immediately. I leaned over the wall and started yelling questions at him, and I said, did you do it? He heard me and started answering.

[Ann Marie Green]

Oh, my gosh. I assume he said he didn't do it.

[Erin Moriarty]

He said he was, as I recall, innocent as charged. And I'm not responsible for the death of two people. That's my recollection of what he said.

[Ann Marie Green]

That is fascinating. See, that's the kind of work that goes into getting these sort of amazing interviews. And this is next level. So in the end, Ted Maher was found guilty of arson leading to the death of two people. He was then sentenced to 10 years in prison. But then weeks later, he escapes. And we actually learned how he escaped from this prison because years later, he wrote a book about it. Aaron.

[Josh Yeager]

Yes, that was the book. Framed in Monte Carlo. According to that, he had cut the bars of his cell. This story is just so crazy. Then he used a rope made of trash bags and scaled the wall. He claimed that he had had hacksaw blades smuggled in, hid them in the lining of his fridge, hid the trash bags in the prison library. I mean, doesn't sound like there was great security there.

[Ann Marie Green]

Right?

[Josh Yeager]

And then he had to saw through multiple layers of bars. Again, according to the story he tells, it took five and a half weeks to cut his way out. There should have been a movie made about this. Really? So crazy.

[Erin Moriarty]

You think you've seen everything in this job, and I've seen a lot since then, but this still ranks up there among the most bizarre things that have ever happened. This is about a month or two after he's convicted. And it just so happened that Aaron and I were back in Monte Carlo, sort of tying up loose ends on the story. And I'm in my hotel room fast asleep. It must be 2:30 or 3 in the morning when my phone rings. I sit up in bed and I answer the phone and it is Ted Maher's wife. She said, my husband escaped. He just called me from outside of the prison, telling me he was out and asking for my help.

[Ann Marie Green]

Oh, my gosh.

[Erin Moriarty]

I grabbed my mini DV camera and ran up to the prison. Wasn't very far away from the hotel, and I look up and I see a window on the side of the prison that's been pried open. So I film the open window and I head back to my hotel room, lie down in bed, and there's a knock on the door, and I am suddenly surrounded by police. I speak enough French to know that they wanted me to come down to the station.

[Josh Yeager]

Wow.

[Erin Moriarty]

It's by now probably four in the morning. I remember the detective sitting there Had a sort of cigarette with a long ash dangling off the end, and there was smoke curling up towards the ceiling. It was very. It's sort of something out of film noir.

[Ann Marie Green]

And I was sitting there and absolutely,

[Erin Moriarty]

I said, what's going on? And I think I got the feeling that what they were worried about was why did the American inmate escape on the same night that the American TV producer was up lurking around the prison in the middle of the night?

[Ann Marie Green]

Right.

[Erin Moriarty]

Finally, we cleared everything up, and I got home and I saw Erin in the lobby. Filled her in. I remember the look on her face. And that was just yet another weird little chapter in this.

[Ann Marie Green]

I would have loved to see Aaron's face when you were like, guess what I've been up to over the last six hours.

[Josh Yeager]

Guess what Ted has been up to?

[Erin Moriarty]

Yeah, indeed.

[Ann Marie Green]

Freedom was not long for him. The next day, he was back in custody. And that is where sort of the. The story sort of ends. You think for you, two. Right. Decades pass. But then, Josh, you just happen to be digging around recently.

[Erin Moriarty]

So I'm sitting there in my office probably two and a half months ago, three months ago, and it just popped into my head, I wonder what some of the truly outlandish people you have covered in your 30 years at CBS, what some of them are doing now. And the name that went immediately to the top of the list was Ted Maher. So I literally Googled him. I put his name into Google, and the first thing that popped up was about a documentary made primarily on the Monaco case that happened to be dropping that night. But then I look below that on the Google search, and I learn that Ted Maher got out of prison in Monaco, came back to the United States, changed his name to John Green, and just last spring, the spring of 2025, was convicted for soliciting the first degree murder of his wife in New Mexico.

[Josh Yeager]

Mm.

[Erin Moriarty]

And my next move was immediately to call Aaron and say. And say, remember Ted Maher?

[Josh Yeager]

So now Maher is charged with a new crime. You would think that he would come back to the United States, he would go back to nursing or something like that, but he would lead a straight and narrow life. But now this put a whole new wrinkle to the story. Who was this guy?

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[Ann Marie Green]

Welcome back. So you were able to interview some key figures in the life of John Green, as he's known now. Chief among them his now ex wife, Kim Lark. She's a retired physician in Carlsbad, New Mexico, and also the trainer and owner of Search and Rescue Dogs. She met Greene when he came into her office for a biopsy. She said they really hit it off and Kim marries him in 2020. Did she know about his past? And did any of that give her pause?

[Josh Yeager]

That was one of my first questions, Annemarie, because, you know, she's a very smart woman. She's a doctor and but she said that very early in their relationship, John because he went by the name John Green by then he told her his real name, Ted Maher. And then he gave her the book Framed in Monte Carlo. And of course, that book is all his side of the story. And she said to me that she believed him and she thought that in fact, he may have been unfairly blamed for the deaths. But I think she really wanted to believe him too.

[Erin Moriarty]

Right? Kim Lark said. I'm paraphrasing her. Whatever I wanted my best friend to be, he was. And he had a way of just being who you needed him to be. And that resonated with me as something he perhaps has always known how to do.

[Josh Yeager]

He's a chameleon, right? That's what I think he is. He's a chameleon.

[Ann Marie Green]

I mean, the guy looks good on paper, right? Nurse, former Green Beret, and he loves dogs. But even with all of that, Kim is starting to have suspicions about this new man in her life. And I want to play an unaired clip of your interview with Kim.

[Josh Yeager]

Did you, over time, start thinking he would tell stories that put him in a good light?

[Ann Marie Green]

Always.

[Kim Lark]

He liked to tell stories and brag about things that he had done. And just little by little, I realized that a lot of them were stories.

[Josh Yeager]

Like, what do you remember? Like any kind of story or anything that seemed to be a red flag.

[Kim Lark]

We took a concealed weapons permit. Now, supposedly Ted is a Green Beret, and I'm no Annie Oakley, but I really outshot him with my right and my left hand.

[Josh Yeager]

What did you think?

[Kim Lark]

I thought, oh, dear God, he's lying about that.

[Josh Yeager]

When Kim told us that, we started doing research, and the army told us there was no evidence that had served in the Special Forces. So when I got a chance to talk to him, I asked him directly about that. This is a man who could talk a lot and never give you a straight answer. So I kept asking him, were you a member of the Special Forces at a Green Beret? And he would say something like, well, I was never assigned to a unit at the Green Beret. So I then go, so you never served as a Green Brae? He goes, yeah, yeah, I did. I was so confused. But I'm going with the army on this one.

[Erin Moriarty]

Yeah. I mean, one of the things we see a lot is in this job is people who know how to talk a lot while saying almost nothing, Very little.

[Ann Marie Green]

Yes, that's so true. Well, I'm sure when you're living with him, then this stuff pops up, you know, more and more. And no surprise, his marriage goes south. Really south. Greene is charged for forging checks. He also receives several other charges that were later dropped. Kim then initiates divorce. But about a month after Greene received those initial charges, Kim said he drove away with their dogs in the car. Why would he take them?

[Erin Moriarty]

Okay, so the first thing I think you have to bear in mind about Kim Lark is she doesn't just love these dogs. Lots of people love their dogs. These dogs are the most important thing in Kim Lark's life, but they are also very valuable, very highly trained as search and rescue, disaster response cadaver dogs. In fact, one of them is a descendant of a dog that Kim took to the pentagon soon after 911 and helped look through the rubble of the Pentagon and respond to that disaster. And one of the dogs, whose name was Zero, was even Pregnant when Ted took them. So these dogs are everything to Kim.

[Josh Yeager]

She was very scared that he might sell the dogs. I don't think she worried about him hurting the dogs because he cared about dogs as well. But she was scared she'd never see the dogs again.

[Ann Marie Green]

Green is arrested, and then he ends up in this detention center. But then, of course, things get even worse. There's another person that is introduced into the story. Greene's jailmate. His name's Greg Markham. What did he say happened?

[Erin Moriarty]

So this is another unusual character. Greg Marcum is a guy who was detained on drug charges when John Green got to the Eddy County Detention Center. So they were in jail together, and Markham said they struck up a sort of a casual friendship and started playing chess every day. Until one day Markham told us that John Green asked him, do you know anyone who could and would kill my wife? Referring to Kim Lark. So immediately, what happens, according to Greg Marcum, is he said to John Green, if you help me get money for bail to bond out of jail, I'll do it. He said that he never really planned to kill Kim Lark, but he wanted this bail money. As for who would get him the money, Greene convinced one of his co authors on the book to send the money to an intermediary. She had control of his finances while he was in jail.

[Ann Marie Green]

So Markham says that sort of this is the plan. Greene describes a layout of Kim's home. There's a diagram that's drawn out, and the idea was to make her drink water laced with fentanyl, which seems like a plan that's got, you know, a few holes in it.

[Josh Yeager]

More than a few holes.

[Ann Marie Green]

I mean, what if she doesn't drink the water?

[Josh Yeager]

Markham, as Josh said, is quite the character. He says that Greene told him that the way to force her to take fentanyl, okay, is by pointing a gun not at Kim, but at her dogs. And that she cared about her dog so much, she would do whatever she was ordered. And then the whole idea was, once the deed was done, there was this, like, code phrase, and it was supposed to be, I walked the dogs. I mean, as you point out, Emory, it was a ridiculous plan. When I asked him about the plot. And remember, she's a tough chick. She said she would have refused to drink anything, and she would have fought like hell for her dogs if she had to. And, of course, then when we talked to John Green, he denied all of this.

[Ann Marie Green]

And the thing about Markham is that he's certainly no boy Scout at all.

[Erin Moriarty]

Well, Markham called himself a con man. Not a hitman. One thing that he was unequivocal about, though, was that I may be a lot of things, but I'm not an assassin and I would never kill anyone.

[Ann Marie Green]

So then how was the plot ultimately uncovered?

[Erin Moriarty]

So you have Greene and Markham in jail, and there's another inmate who apparently overhears Greene and Markham talking about this plot. That inmate takes it upon himself to write Kim Lark a letter. And in the letter, the inmate is saying to Kim, your husband is someone who's in jail with me, and I have the feeling he's planning to do something to you. If you want to know more details, I'm willing to tell you. And also even get up in court and testify to this and do the right thing, if you pay me.

[Ann Marie Green]

Oh, my gosh.

[Erin Moriarty]

So what happens is he sends that letter to Kim, and she immediately gives it to authorities who track down the author of the letter and interview him. He leads them to Greg Marcum, who corroborates the story and alleged plot.

[Ann Marie Green]

So then Green goes on trial in March of 2025. He's charged with criminal solicitation to commit first degree murder. Markham testifies against him. Green's found guilty. He's sentenced to nine years in prison. But with time served, he could actually get out in less than three years. Aaron, you managed to talk to Green. You get an interview with him. His attorney sets up a video conference, and you can ask him some questions. I imagine you must have mapped out your questions and you were ready to hit them.

[Josh Yeager]

Well, and remember, he's with me, but he's on video. It's almost like a zoom interview. It really is. And so it was frustrating because while we could see him on screen, it's not quite the same in many ways, even though he had aged definitely over the years, he was the same guy after all these years, denied any kind of crimes, just as he always had. And as we've been saying throughout this, he has a way of saying a lot without answering your questions at all. It was very.

[Ann Marie Green]

It's always so frustrating talking to people like that, especially when you know your time is limited. We saw some of the interview in the hour. Let's play some more of your conversation.

[Josh Yeager]

I have followed your life for the last 25 years. I mean, when you read your book, you seem to blame everything on somebody else.

[John Green / Ted Maher]

Was I not framed in Monaco?

[Josh Yeager]

I'm just saying. What I'm saying is that when I look at your life over everything in Monaco, and then here, you're always blaming somebody else. It's Kim and not you. Do you take. Did you take responsibility for any of this?

[John Green / Ted Maher]

Well, I took the responsibility for what I did when I took the dogs, but what I did was, in most terms, in most. Most actions was community property. I didn't take a gun to anybody's head. I didn't do anything that was not harm anybody.

[Josh Yeager]

Ted, somebody listening to right now is listening to what sounds like a very angry man. I mean, did you want Kim Lark, dad?

[John Green / Ted Maher]

No, absolutely not.

[Josh Yeager]

I mean, you sound very angry. You sure you didn't, like, bring this up with Greg Markham?

[John Green / Ted Maher]

No, absolutely not. Like I said, you don't pay somebody $2,500 to kill somebody.

[Erin Moriarty]

That's a convenient thing for him to say. You don't pay $2,500 to kill somebody because Greg Marcum said the $2,500 payment was only the initial installment of what he allegedly was promising to mark him.

[Josh Yeager]

And I just want to remind you, Emory, even though he says he never wanted to see his wife dead, the judge at sentencing who had listened to all the evidence said that he was worried about Kim's safety. Greene had appealed. His conviction was denied, but he was going to get out at some point. As for Kim, she told us that even now, even though Green is still behind bars as we speak, she still keeps a shotgun within easy reach.

[Ann Marie Green]

And she also keeps those dogs around, too. She has the dog still.

[Josh Yeager]

Yeah. And you know what's so great is that Felony and Storm are back with her. Zero has a new home. And I just want to remind people that because Zero is pregnant, she had puppies. So there were a lot of dogs, and there were people who benefited from Zero and her puppies.

[Ann Marie Green]

That's fantastic. Well, I don't know. This is a hell of an odyssey, but thank you so much for joining us for this podcast.

[Erin Moriarty]

Pleasure.

[Josh Yeager]

It was fun talking about this, and

[Ann Marie Green]

thank you all for watching or listening to postmortem. And if you like this episode, please rate and review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify.

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