05/10/2026: Prime Minister Netanyahu, Drawing the Lines, Gout Gout

Summary

60 Minutes — May 11, 2026: Netanyahu on the Iran War, America’s Redistricting Chaos, and the Meteoric Rise of Gout Gout

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Episode Overview

This episode of 60 Minutes features three compelling segments:

• A high-stakes interview with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on the aftermath and future of the Iran war, U.S.-Israel relations, and Israel’s standing in the world.
• An in-depth report on the unprecedented partisan chaos of congressional redistricting in the U.S., focused on Louisiana and its implications for minority voting rights and representation.
• A profile of Gout Gout, the Australian teenage sprinter breaking records and receiving international attention for his extraordinary speed and partnership with his coach.

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1. Benjamin Netanyahu: Post-Iran War, U.S. Relations & Regional Fallout

Interview conducted by Anderson Cooper. Segment starts [04:41].

Key Discussion Points

• The Iran Conflict’s Ongoing Threats

  • Netanyahu asserts the conflict is "not over" as Iran still possesses enriched uranium and functions via regional proxies ([05:31]).
  • “There is still nuclear material, enriched uranium that has to be taken out of Iran... enrichment sites that have to be dismantled... proxies... ballistic missiles.” — Netanyahu ([05:31])
  • When asked about removing enriched uranium: “You go in and you take it out.” — Netanyahu ([06:03])
  • Dodges specifics on military action: “I’m going to dodge them because I’m not going to talk about our military possibilities, plans or anything of the kind.” — Netanyahu ([06:27])

• Separate Conflicts: Iran Versus Hezbollah

  • Netanyahu distinguishes Israel’s war with Hezbollah as separate from Iran’s: “They should be. What Iran would like to do is to say, no, if we achieve a ceasefire here, we want a ceasefire here.” ([07:11])
  • Asserts Israel cannot accept Hezbollah staying on its border: “We want to get rid of that danger to our communities.” ([07:31])

• Possibility of Regime Change in Iran

  • Reports that Netanyahu pitched regime change as possible—but not certain—during high-level talks ([08:21]).
  • “Is it possible? Yes. Is it guaranteed? No.” — Netanyahu on Iranian regime change ([08:15])

• Middle East Geopolitics & Arab Relations

  • Despite conflict, Netanyahu claims unprecedented interest from Arab states in deeper ties with Israel: “Let’s strengthen our alliance with Israel because that, in fact, deters Iran.” ([10:47])
  • References new arenas of economic and technological cooperation: “Degree of economic cooperation on energy, on AI, on quantum.” ([11:10])

• China’s Role

  • China has provided “certain amount of support and particular components of missile manufacturing” to Iran ([12:07]). Netanyahu refrains from sharing more details.

• U.S. Military Aid Reset

  • Netanyahu favors reducing to zero the U.S. military financial support over the next decade: “I want to draw down to zero the American financial support... do it over the next decade.” ([13:12], [13:47])

• Israel’s Image, Social Media, and the ‘Eighth Front’

  • Netanyahu blames Israel’s declining reputation, especially among young Americans, on the manipulation of social media: “We have seen the deterioration of support for Israel in the United States correlates almost 100% with the geometric rise of social media... we have several countries that basically manipulated social media.” ([14:37], [15:22])
  • Admits to mistakes in war (“In war, armies sometimes miss and civilians die... these are mistakes.” — [16:27]), but sees media manipulation as principal reputational risk.

• On the Gaza War, Disarming Hamas, and Leadership Style

  • Netanyahu pledges: “We are not going to let Hamas ever threaten Israel again... could be done the hard way, could be done the easy way.” ([17:18])
  • Pushes back on the idea he seeks conflict: “For years... I was considered perhaps the most restrained prime minister in Israel’s history... it changed on October 7th because they were going to annihilate us.” ([18:14])
  • “We’re going to change the Middle East... not on my watch.” — Netanyahu ([19:16])

Notable Quotes

• On Israel’s mission in Iran: "You go in and you take it out." — Netanyahu ([06:03])
• On American aid: “I want to draw down to zero the American financial support... do it over the next decade.” — Netanyahu ([13:12], [13:47])
• On social media war: “It’s this. This is yours, right? You’re not immune either, because you can penetrate this machine... and I can paint you as a monster.” — Netanyahu ([14:37])
• On accusations of loving war: “That’s funny, you know, because for years I was considered... the most restrained prime minister in Israel’s history.” ([18:14])

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2. Drawing the Lines: The U.S. Congressional Redistricting Battlefield

Reported by Lesley Stahl. Segment starts [19:46].

Key Discussion Points

• Redistricting Chaos in Louisiana

  • Protests and confusion as both parties attempt to redraw maps to control Congress ([19:46])
  • Supreme Court ruled Louisiana’s congressional map unconstitutional for racial gerrymandering ([20:41]).
  • Concerns among Black voters that their district—and their representation—will be erased ([20:55]).
  • “It just gives a black an opportunity to win an election. And that’s why they even passed the Voting Rights Act.” — Rep. Cleo Fields ([21:58])

• The Fate of Minority Representation

  • Louisiana: ~30% Black population, but no Black candidate has won a white-majority district ([22:23]).
  • Supreme Court’s new ruling limits use of race in map-drawing, gutting Voting Rights Act protections ([22:23], [23:01]).
  • Cleo Fields: “There is progress in the nation, you know, but there is not progress in the southern part of our country...” ([23:01])
  • State officials say the process must treat all equally, without “extra rights”: “In the United States, we get equal rights. No one gets extra rights.” — Gov. Jeff Landry ([25:18])

• Suspension of Elections and Voter Confusion

  • Governor Landry suspended congressional primaries after the Supreme Court ruling, nullifying 45,000 already-returned ballots ([26:13], [26:44]).
  • He says: “Those ballots are discarded and those voters will vote again in November.” ([26:44])

• Gerrymandering Becomes a Nationwide Arms Race

  • Both parties engaged in constant redrawing of maps—no longer just a once-in-a-decade practice ([27:41], [29:07]).
  • “Whoever draws the maps now has no legal requirement that the map be drawn in any way to protect the political power of minority groups.” — Stephen Vladek, Georgetown law professor ([28:43])

• Race, Law, and "Checking the Box"

  • “Can you separate politics from race in this district? — No, you can’t.” — John Wertheim ([31:29])
  • “We’ve come a long ways, but not with this.” — Pastor Timothy Hunter on racial schemes ([31:37])
  • Landry counters: “I shouldn’t be judged just because I’m white or Hispanic or Indian... after all the rectification of the sins of the past... we’re still trying to find some sliver of discrimination in race.” ([32:37], [33:14])

Notable Quotes

• On why Black representation still matters: “But if you tell me in order to be elected to Congress, you have to be white, there’s nothing I can do about that. I need help from my government.” — Rep. Cleo Fields ([24:42])
• On delaying elections: “It’s not my fault. If anybody has a grievance, take it to the United States Supreme Court.” — Gov. Jeff Landry ([26:51])
• On progress and race: “Are we really trying to drug up the past only to continue a failed narrative?” — Gov. Jeff Landry ([30:32])

Segment Timeline

• Louisiana church town hall / Black voter concerns — [20:55]
• Rep. Cleo Fields on what’s at stake — [21:21], [21:50]
• Governor Landry defends moves, discusses equality — [25:18], [25:43], [26:13]
• Race vs. politics: local voices, ongoing tension — [31:29], [31:48], [32:01]

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3. Gout Gout: Teenage Sprinting Phenom and His Old-School Coach

Profile by John Wertheim. Segment starts [33:26].

Key Discussion Points

• Introducing Gout Gout

  • 18-year-old Australian, child of South Sudanese immigrants, now running historic sprint times ([33:45])
  • “He is Gout of this world. That is not human.” — John Wertheim ([34:32])
  • At 16, ran the fastest time in Australian history for the 200m ([34:37])
  • Broke Usain Bolt’s world record for under-17s ([34:49])

• Personal Backstory & Dynamic with Coach Dye Shepard

  • Gout is coached by Dye Shepard, who discovered him at school and became a coach by sheer will ([38:03]).
  • Their relationship is central: “Old white lady and a young black kid, you know, is crazy dynamic, but turns out it works perfectly...” — Gout Gout ([40:07])
  • Coach Dye: “If I tried to make him super quick now, I’d break him.” ([41:33])

• Unique Physique and Training Approach

  • Gout’s running style features extraordinary elastic energy in his Achilles tendons, which gives him speed endurance vs. explosive starts ([41:47]).
  • Academic Dylan Hicks: “We see him sort of bouncing his way down the track and using less steps than everybody else.” ([41:58])

• Family, Fame, and the Road Ahead

  • Gout’s family is low-profile; Coach Dye is his main manager/mentor ([42:52]).
  • Gout stays grounded despite hype, finishes school with straight A’s, and remains loyal to his coach ([40:07]).
  • Signs major Adidas sponsorship ([42:40]).
  • Gout: “You want to run as fast as possible, but you don’t want to overload too much when you’re a teenager, because then that messes up the rest of your career... you got all the time in the world.” ([45:11])

• Looking Ahead to the Olympics

  • Potential for medals in LA 2028 and at home in Brisbane in 2032 ([35:57], [36:14]).
  • Not focused on celebrity: “I don’t really use the word famous... just well known in the wider community.” — Gout ([46:00])

Memorable Quotes and Moments

• On running: “Running just feeds that, I guess, inner child in me that wants to kind of feel free. Like running makes me feel like myself for sure.” — Gout Gout ([35:27])
• On the coach-athlete bond: “Good cop, bad cop... You’re okay being the bad cow? Hell yeah. It doesn’t bother me one bit.” — Dye Shepard ([37:04])
• On development: “He’s got these springs in his legs now.” — John Wertheim ([41:58])
• On fame: “I like to call it well known in the wider community.” — Gout Gout ([46:00])

Segment Timeline

• Flashback to breakout races — [34:23], [34:37], [34:55]
• Personal & coaching background — [37:04], [38:03], [39:10]
• Insights from sports science — [41:33], [41:58]
• Handling fame and future plans — [42:40], [45:11], [46:00]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [04:41] Netanyahu interview begins
• [13:12] Netanyahu discusses ending U.S. aid
• [14:37] Netanyahu on social media, propaganda war
• [19:46] Redistricting report begins
• [25:18] Governor Landry defends new maps
• [31:29] Black community and voting rights
• [33:26] Gout Gout profile begins
• [34:37] Gout’s historic sprint times
• [36:53] Gout’s relationship with Coach Dye
• [41:33] Unique running style analysis
• [45:11] Gout on pacing his life and ambitions

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Summary

This 60 Minutes episode delivers probing international, national, and human interest journalism. Anderson Cooper challenges Netanyahu on war strategy, geopolitics, and reputational risks with characteristic rigor and gravity. Lesley Stahl's Louisiana gerrymandering report exposes the friction, legal battles, and civil rights stakes of today’s chaotic redistricting. John Wertheim’s portrait of Gout Gout is uplifting and lively—showcasing athletic brilliance, cultural dynamics, and the universal power of mentorship. The episode balances global consequence, domestic democratic crisis, and personal triumph, true to the iconic 60 Minutes tone: sharp, thorough, and always searching for the story behind the headline.

Transcript

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[Anderson Cooper]

How do you envision the highly enriched uranium will be removed from Iran?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

You go in and and you take it out.

[Anderson Cooper]

Tonight, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in his first US Broadcast interview since the war with Iran began. Netanyahu was careful, but he did signal where the war may be headed. And the imperative of getting nuclear material out of Iran? Can it be taken out by force?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Well, you're going to ask me these questions. I'm going to dodge them.

[Lesley Stahl]

The once arcane process to redraw congressional districts has exploded into an unprecedented national free for all to control Congress. But in the Deep south, we found the fight isn't just about red and blue. It's also about black and white.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

The reality is, at the end of the day, it's going to dilute the black vote.

[Jeff Landry]

In the United States. We get equal rights. No one gets extra rights.

[Cleo Fields]

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[John Wertheim]

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[Jeff Landry]

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[John Wertheim]

He is an 18 year old phenom.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

He's gout of this world.

[John Wertheim]

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[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Unbelievable.

[John Wertheim]

You're OK being the bad cow?

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Hell yeah.

[Dye Shepard]

It doesn't bother me one bit.

[Lesley Stahl]

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[Benjamin Netanyahu]

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[Anderson Cooper]

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[John Wertheim]

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[Lesley Stahl]

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[Anderson Cooper]

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[Lesley Stahl]

US and Iran was tested again today by suspected Iranian drone strikes in the Persian Gulf, another spurt of hostilities in a war that has now spread from the Gulf to Lebanon, further complicating White House efforts to close a deal that would reopen the Strait of Hormuz and stabilize energy prices. With so much at stake and as the war stretches into its 11th week, our CBS News colleague Major Garrett spoke yesterday with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. This is Netanyahu's first US Broadcast interview since the war began. He was careful with his words, but if you listen closely, you can find signs of where the war and the region may be headed.

[Anderson Cooper]

Is the war with Iran over? And if it isn't, who will decide when it is?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

I think it accomplished a great deal, but it's not over because there's still nuclear material, enriched uranium that has to be taken out of Iran. There is still enrichment sites that have to be dismantled. There are still proxies that Iran supports. There are ballistic missiles that they still want to produce. Now we've degraded a lot of it, but all of that is still there and there's work to be done.

[Anderson Cooper]

How do you envision the highly enriched uranium will be removed from Iran?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

You go in and you take it out.

[Anderson Cooper]

With what? Special forces from Israel, Special forces from the United States?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Well, I'm not going to talk about military means, but what President Trump has said to me, I want to go in there and I think it can be done physically. That's not the problem. If you have an agreement and you go in and you take it out, why not? That's the best way.

[Anderson Cooper]

What if there isn't an agreement? Can it be taken out by force?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Well, you're going to ask me these questions, I'm going to dodge them because I'm not going to talk about our military possibilities, plans or anything of the kind.

[Anderson Cooper]

And I'm just trying to get at how long is it going to take to achieve that aim.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

I'm not going to give a timetable to it, but I'm going to say that's a terrifically important mission.

[Anderson Cooper]

Hours before we sat down with the Prime Minister, Israel targeted Iranian backed Hezbollah terrorists in Lebanon. This is the second front in the war with Iran, much more Israel's than America's. Is it possible, Mr. Prime Minister, that the war with Iran could end, but the war with Hezbollah could continue, that these would be separate and divergent battlefields?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Well, they should. They should be. What Iran would like to do is to say, no, you know, if we achieve a ceasefire here, we want a ceasefire here.

[Anderson Cooper]

They do, clearly.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

You know why? Because they want Hezbollah to stay there and continue to torture Lebanon, continue to hold its people hostage and continue.

[Anderson Cooper]

Will you accept that?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

No, no. We've seen.

[Anderson Cooper]

Even if President Trump asks you to?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Well, look, he understands what I'm saying. I mean, we are, we want to get rid of that danger to our communities, to our cities. They rocket our cities all the time. They rocket our communities. And of course, would you want to live like that?

[Anderson Cooper]

So this could go on?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Yeah.

[Anderson Cooper]

But even if Iran is solved, I hope.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

No, if Iran, if this regime is indeed weakened or possibly toppled, I think it's the end of Hezbollah, it's the end of Hamas, it's probably the end of the Houthis, because the whole scaffolding of the terrorist proxy network that Iran built collapses. If the regime in Iran collapses, do

[Anderson Cooper]

you believe it is possible to topple the Iranian regime?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

I think that you can't predict when that happened. Is it possible? Yes. Is it guaranteed? No.

[Anderson Cooper]

But in the days before the war, according to a New York Times investigation, the Prime Minister presented a more optimistic case to the President. And the New York Times reports as follows, quote. In the situation room on February 11, Mr. Netanyahu made a hard sell, suggesting that Iran was ripe for regime change and expressing the belief that a joint U. S. Israeli mission could finally bring an end to the Islamic Republic. Is that correct?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

No, that's actually incorrect because in what

[Anderson Cooper]

ways is it incorrect?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

It's incorrect in the sense that I said, oh, well, it's guaranteed, we can do it, and so on.

[Anderson Cooper]

In the confines of that conversation, you noted the uncertainty.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Not only did I notice, we both agreed, you know, that there was both uncertainty and risk involved. And I remember that I said, and he said that the danger, there's danger in action, in taking action, but there's greater danger in not taking action and

[Anderson Cooper]

continuing what the New York Times reported. Quote, Mr. Netanyahu and his team outlined conditions they portrayed as pointing to certain victory, adding the regime would be so weakened that it could not choke off the Strait of Hormuz. Is that factually incorrect?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

I don't think we could quantify it exactly, but I think that the problem of the Hormuz Straits was understood as the fighting went on. I think that's.

[Anderson Cooper]

It became understood.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

It became understood.

[Anderson Cooper]

Was it misread at the beginning?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

I think I'm not sure it was misread, but, you know, there's a great risk for Iran to do it, and it took a while for them to understand how big that risk is, which they understand Now. I don't claim perfect foresight, and nobody had perfect foresight. Neither did the Iranians.

[Anderson Cooper]

Also not foreseen the degree of Iranian military retribution against neighboring Gulf states and the damage it has caused. The Prime Minister told us we'd be surprised how many Arab states are interested in strengthening ties with Israel.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

I now see the possibility of the expansion and the deepening of the agreements we do have to alliances with Arab states of the kind that we never even dreamed of.

[Anderson Cooper]

There is concern rising among the Gulf monarchies that it will not allow and does not want Israel to exercise strategic dominance over the Middle East. So has any of this been jeopardized?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

I'm hearing different things. I'm hearing the fact from Arab countries, which I won't get into all of them, no, but some of them, and I never heard that before. Let's strengthen our alliance with Israel because that, in fact, deters Iran. Let's strengthen our alliance with Israel because we can do amazing things with Israel.

[Anderson Cooper]

That was clearly the trajectory before this conflict.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

It's more than you think now in ways that I cannot, I guess, will become public. I can't give everything to 60 minutes or to you in one shot, but I'm telling you that the degree of economic cooperation on energy, on AI, on quantum, the areas where Israel is so strong, and they see the possibility now of sharing the fruits of these capabilities with them, and that's happening right now.

[Anderson Cooper]

Also happening now or later this week, a summit between Chinese President Xi Jinping and President Trump. China is the world's largest importer of crude oil through the Strait of Hormuz. We were curious about China's military involvement with Iran. I'd like to ask you about what you know about China providing materially valuable military support to what remains of the Iranian regime.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

True, China gave certain amount of support and particular components of missile manufacturing, but I can't say more than that.

[Anderson Cooper]

Does that disturb you?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Well, I didn't like it because it's

[Anderson Cooper]

apparently doing it right now.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Could be. Could be. I don't want to speak for China. I don't want to speak also.

[Anderson Cooper]

But you have eyes and ears on this.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Yeah, well, you know. But I also have a closed mouth when necessary.

[Anderson Cooper]

American military aid to Israel has enjoyed bipartisan consensus for decades. It is now $3.8 billion per year and subject to new political scrutiny because of shifting public attitudes about Israel and foreign aid in general. Do you believe it's time for the State of Israel to re examine and possibly reset its financial relationship to the United States, meaning what the United States provides to Israel on an annual basis?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Absolutely. And I've said this to President Trump. I've said it to our own people. Their jaws dropped. But I said, look, what do you mean? What are you saying? I want to draw down to zero the American financial support, the financial component of the military cooperation that we have because we receive $3.8 billion a year. And I think that it's time that we weaned ourselves from the remaining military support.

[Anderson Cooper]

Can you give me a timetable?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

I said, let's start now and do it over the next decade, over the next 10 years. But I want to start now. I don't want to wait for the next Congress. I want to start now.

[Anderson Cooper]

Well versed in American politics, the Prime Minister is keenly Aware of declining support for Israel. According to a recent Pew survey, 60% of U.S. adults reported having an unfavorable view of Israel, up nearly 20 points in four years. One of the big reasons, the war in Gaza, where according to the Hamas run Gaza Health ministry, more than 70,000 people have been killed. That includes civilians as well as Hamas terrorists. Netanyahu attributes the reputational harm to Israel almost entirely to social media, which he calls the eighth front of the war.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

It's this. This is yours, right? You're not immune either, because you can penetrate this machine, you can penetrate this, this little instrument, and you can say about Major Garrett anything you want, and I can paint you as a monster. And if I say it often enough, enough people will believe it.

[Anderson Cooper]

Do you believe Israel is at risk of losing this war on that social media front? And this is particularly, I believe, important in America for younger Americans, Republican and Democrat, scrolling through images, and they would use words like barbaric. In Gaza and in Lebanon, Israel has

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

gone to unbelievable lengths to get innocent civilians out of harm's way. We text message millions of text messages to them, make millions of phone calls to them, pamphlets, leaflets, you name it, okay? We have seen the deterioration of it support for Israel in the United States almost, I would say it correlates almost 100% with the geometric rise of social media. And that by itself is not what caused it. And I don't believe in, you know, in censoring them or anything, but I'll tell you what happened. We have several countries that basically manipulated social media and they do it in a clever way. And that's something that has hurt us badly.

[Anderson Cooper]

Is it your belief, Mr. Prime Minister, that nothing that Israel has done tactically or strategically has made no mistakes either in Gaza or the west bank that have in their own way contributed to this negative impression of Israel, whether it's on social media or someplace else?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

No, of course. Look, it's war. In war, armies sometimes miss and civilians die. And these are mistakes. These are not deliberate things that happen. Israel is besieged on the media front, on the propaganda front, and we've not done well on the propaganda war.

[Anderson Cooper]

The International Criminal Court, which neither Israel nor the US recognize, has accused the Prime Minister of war crimes for Israel's conduct in Gaza, where he says he has not yet achieved one of his most important goals, disarming Hamas. Now what?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Somebody has to disarm them. Somebody has to then demilitarize Gaza. I would say disarm, demilitarize, de, radicalize, because you don't want these fanatics There.

[Anderson Cooper]

Is that Israel's obligation, or is that the international community's obligation through the Board of Peace in some sense?

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Major, find me the countries who would do it. You know, if it comes down to us, then we'll have to do it, but we'll choose the time and the circumstances in which to do it, because, you know, we've got a few other things, but we are not going to let Hamas ever threaten Israel again. It'll have to be done. Could be done the hard way, could be done the easy way. I always prefer the easy way because unlike my caricature image, having been to war, having seen the. The tragedy of war, having experienced it in my own family, you don't readily dispatch people, young men and sometimes young women, into the battlefield.

[Anderson Cooper]

You know, though, Mr. Prime Minister, there is an impression about you that it is a hunger that people perceive in you for conflict.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

That's funny, you know, because for years I was considered, right before the October 7, I was considered perhaps the most restrained prime minister in Israel's history. I was conceived as being, you know, politically tough, but militarily very restrained. Obviously, it changed on October 7th because they were going to annihilate us. I didn't think it was just an attack by Hamas. I saw it as it was an attack by the Iran axis to try to annihilate us through a noose of death. And I said, on the second day of the war, I said, we're going to change the Middle East. We're going to change this condition where they're ganging up on us, thinking they're going to wipe out the one and only Jewish state, wipe out 3,500 years of Jewish history. It's not going to happen, not on my watch. And I said to the Israeli citizens, not on your watch.

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[Lesley Stahl]

This past week, chaos and protests broke out in statehouses as Republicans and Democrats raced to draw new congressional maps. What is usually an arcane process has become an unprecedented political free for all. At stake is control of Congress. In November's midterm elections, With a razor thin margin, both parties are rushing to draw new lines, hoping to tilt the House of Representatives in their favor. Adding fuel to the fire. A landmark Supreme Court decision 11 days ago found a congressional map in Louisiana was unconstitutional. The court said legislators relied too heavily on race to draw the lines. And that's where we went. Louisiana's Republican governor and his party are already moving to carve out new districts. And many black voters we met fear their district will be wiped off the map.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

I just don't understand why there is nobody able to stop this train. You see all the wrong. You see it's racist. You know it.

[Lesley Stahl]

This past Monday, it was a packed house. At the Galilee Baptist Church, there is a fight for freedom, the spiritual anchor to the west side of Shreveport, where for many, the memories of Jim Crow run deep. One by one, the constituents lined up with questions about the fate of their congressional district. Their Democratic congressman, Cleo Fields, didn't have many answers.

[Cleo Fields]

Sometimes you get a setback to be set up. I mean, don't underestimate that power of the vote. That's what they are trying to take away, right?

[Lesley Stahl]

Congressman Fields has served the people of Louisiana for most of his life. First elected to the House of Representatives in 1992, he lost, then won again in never ending redistricting battles. Now he could be facing another loss. You believe this will not be your seat when and if this map is redrawn?

[Cleo Fields]

I think it's highly unlikely.

[Lesley Stahl]

You have said this is not about you, your job, the seat that you hold.

[Cleo Fields]

Personally, I'm just occupying the seat. And that's one of the things people get confused with when there's a voting rights seat created. It guarantees a black an election. No, it doesn't guarantee a black anything. It just gives a black an opportunity to win an election. And that's why they even passed the Voting Rights Act.

[Lesley Stahl]

The 1965 Voting Rights act was created to protect minority voting power in Louisiana, which has one of the highest percentages of black residents in the country, about 30%. There has never been a black politician elected to Congress in a district where whites are in the majority. The recent Supreme Court ruling virtually gutted the landmark legislation, but some say its time has passed. There are conservative African Americans who've spoken out in recent days and they have praised this court's ruling. And they say that there's proof of real racial progress.

[Cleo Fields]

Oh, there is progress in the nation, you know, but there is not progress in the southern part of our country to the extent that you should do away with the voting Rights Act. You tell those same folk to come here and run for office and get elected.

[Lesley Stahl]

The 6th district stretches more than 200 miles from Baton Rouge to Shreveport. During oral arguments, Chief Justice John Roberts called it, quote, a snake that runs from one side of the state, angling up to the other, picking up black populations as it goes along. The case was brought by a group describing themselves as non African American voters. They sued Louisiana under the 14th Amendment's Equal Protection clause, which says the government must treat everyone equally under the law. In its ruling, the Court called the 6th District map an unconstitutional racial gerrymander. Named after founding Father Elbridge Gerry. Gerrymandering is the process of redrawing political voting lines to benefit the party in power. And it's perfectly legal. Elbridge Gary created a district resembling a salamander, thus gerrymander. A snake in Louisiana was a lobster in Virginia and earmuffs in Illinois.

[Cleo Fields]

Yeah, it absolutely looks like a snake.

[Lesley Stahl]

Congressman Cleo Fields acknowledges black representation in Washington has grown in ways that once seemed impossible. This Congress has more black members than at any, any point in history. 63. Is that not progress?

[Cleo Fields]

Yeah, it's progress, but it's not progress for Louisiana. There are people who in this state and others just will not vote for a black person for anything. You tell me I have to jump a certain height. That's the rule. I can work to do that, run a certain speed. If that's the rule, let me work at it. I can do that. But if you tell me in order to be elected to Congress, you have to be white, there's nothing I can do about that. I need help from my government.

[Jeff Landry]

In the United States, we get equal rights. No one gets extra rights.

[Lesley Stahl]

This past Tuesday, we went to Baton Rouge and met Governor Jeff Landry at the Governor's mansion. A close ally of President Trump, he dominates Louisiana politics. The colorful conservative Cajun was the state's Attorney General before winning the top job in 2023.

[Jeff Landry]

You cannot say that we are all created equal and that states must treat everyone equal under the law and then allow a law to sort people based upon race.

[Lesley Stahl]

Following the Supreme Court decision, Governor Landry declared a state of emergency and and abruptly suspended congressional House primaries right as voting was starting, ordering a do over at a future date, leaving voters dazed and confused. You declared a state of emergency. What exactly is the emergency?

[Jeff Landry]

We've got the highest court of the land says the map that you have is unconstitutional. So we don't have a map under which our voters can vote on.

[Lesley Stahl]

This country has held elections during The Civil War. During two world wars, elections still went on.

[Jeff Landry]

We're gonna have an election, and we're actually gonna have an election on election Day.

[Lesley Stahl]

But voting was already happening. As we sit here right now, more than 45,000 ballots have been returned. What happens to those?

[Jeff Landry]

Oh, those ballots are discarded and those voters will vote again in November.

[Lesley Stahl]

You say that like it's not a big deal.

[Jeff Landry]

Well, it's not a big deal. It's not my fault. If anybody has a grievance, take it to the United States Supreme Court.

[Lesley Stahl]

Legal challenges over redistricting have consumed Louisiana, with federal courts repeatedly forcing lawmakers to redraw maps.

[Jeff Landry]

Our voters are tired of it. I mean, does not Louisiana deserve some clarity?

[Lesley Stahl]

How do you want to see this?

[Jeff Landry]

Look, I want Louisiana to be finally unshackled from the decades of litigation.

[Lesley Stahl]

Would it concern you if there were no African American representatives from Louisiana in Congress?

[Jeff Landry]

That's a decision that the legislature is going to make, but I don't believe that if that. We have to go and draw a district that guarantees us a minority representation.

[Lesley Stahl]

Redistricting usually happens at the beginning of each decade using census data. But last summer, President Trump pushed Texas Republicans to redraw maps in hopes of gaining five seats ahead of the midterms. California's Democratic Governor, Gavin Newsom responded by pushing a redistricting plan of his own that could give Democrats in his state five additional blue seats. Even former President Obama, who has publicly opposed gerrymandering in the past, is now pushing Democrats to fight back and pick up as many congressional seats as they can. The political tit for tat has turned into a coast to coast gerrymandering arms race. And Republicans are feeling increasingly confident following court rulings in their favor in Louisiana and Virginia this past week. Their efforts to redraw maps led to protests at the State House in Tennessee and Alabama.

[John Wertheim]

Whoever draws the maps now has no legal requirement that the map be drawn in any way to protect the political power of minority groups.

[Lesley Stahl]

Stephen Vladek, a Georgetown law professor who studies the Supreme Court, predicts gerrymandering will lead to an even more polarized Congress dominated by lawmakers representing the extremes of both parties.

[John Wertheim]

Instead of, you know, once every 10

[Anderson Cooper]

years, per the Constitution states saying, oh, we've got to redraw our maps because

[John Wertheim]

we have more data about who our people are. Now it's, let's redraw our maps whenever

[Anderson Cooper]

it's to our partisan political advantage to do so.

[Lesley Stahl]

Is the biggest difference now President Trump's in office?

[Jeff Landry]

Oh, no, no. In fact, to me, the president is. Has. No. He's irrelevant in this issue right now.

[Lesley Stahl]

There's been heaping praise on you for this.

[Jeff Landry]

Well, I'm sure that the President would like to see the House of Representatives stay in Republican control.

[Lesley Stahl]

I do have to ask you point blank, has the President asked you to redraw maps in order to help him in the midterm?

[Jeff Landry]

The President has not asked me to redraw the maps.

[Lesley Stahl]

That job falls to the Republican supermajority in Louisiana's state legislature, which is already hard at work redrawing the maps. Capitalizing on the Supreme Court's ruling, Justice Alito suggested in his opinion that there's less institutional racism today.

[Jeff Landry]

Well, I would agree with that. I mean, think about it. Barack Obama was elected twice as the United States president. We've had a number of minorities elected. We've seen a rise of Republican candidates who are black get elected. I mean, are we really trying to drug up the past only to continue a failed narrative?

[Lesley Stahl]

What's the failed narrative?

[Jeff Landry]

What a failed narrative is that actually that people in Louisiana are racist, that we. That basically we won't elect black people? I mean, I disagree with that.

[Lesley Stahl]

But no black candidate in Louisiana has been elected to a statewide office such as governor or Attorney general, since Reconstruction. For many, Governor Landry's words fall Flat Pastor Timothy Hunter, Linda Scott, and Donnie Sutton have spent their lives in Shreveport and fear the future could soon resemble the past.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

The reality is, at the end of the day, it's going to dilute the black vote. That's the whole purpose. This Republican Congress is all about making America Jim Crow again. There's no more checks and balances. Everything that was there to guard against this type of German mandarin is destroyed. So there's nobody to stop the train.

[Lesley Stahl]

Can you separate politics from race in this district?

[John Wertheim]

No, you can't.

[Cleo Fields]

Not in all of these Southern states.

[Lesley Stahl]

We've come a long ways, but not with this. When it comes to race and not with the schemes that they're putting up before us, it's just a disgrace. But we must keep pressing forward.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

We have to.

[Lesley Stahl]

Too many people have suffered and died for us to have this. I think a lot of African American voters in this state might say they need that protection when it comes to the ballot box.

[Jeff Landry]

I mean, we go back to Martin Luther King, right? Judge a person based upon the content of their character rather than the color of their skin.

[Lesley Stahl]

Black voters in Louisiana have told me that they feel like it's true. Someone who looks like you, who has not lived their Experience does not address their concerns as well as someone who has lived their experience.

[Jeff Landry]

Well, how is it that a little country boy who grew up in a town that was primarily black not lived through those experiences?

[Lesley Stahl]

But I do think a lot of folks might say those experiences are not necessarily the same.

[Jeff Landry]

Well, you're saying I should not judge a person just because the person is black, and I agree with that. But isn't it the opposite, that I shouldn't be judged just because I'm white or Hispanic or Indian? I mean, here we are, after all of the different cases, after all of the rectification of the sins of the past, which certainly no one has denied. And yet we're still trying to find some sliver of discrimination in race.

[Lesley Stahl]

I think a lot of people would say you don't have to try to find it, it's there.

[Jeff Landry]

I would say that you find that it would reside in people's hearts, not in their laws.

[John Wertheim]

There may be no sport older than sprinting and still there's something singularly intoxicating about speed, about watching the fastest humans on the planet make like Usain Bolt and thunder down the straightaway, all the more so when they've navigated a circuitous path to get there. So remember the name and how could you not?

[Lesley Stahl]

Gout.

[John Wertheim]

Gout. He's an 18 year old Australian. When he's not watching his beloved anime or taking photos on his Kodak camera, he's running and inevitably winning races in roughly the time it takes to spit out this sentence when the 2028 Olympics arrive in Los Angeles in barely two years time. Gout. Gout. Could bolt. Bolt to a medal. Fix your eyes on lane six. The runner in the maroon shirt 16 months ago in the equivalent of the Australian high school championships. Gout. Gout. Then an 11th grader did this. Now we really start to open him up.

[Jeff Landry]

So let the legs loose and let the kid run.

[John Wertheim]

One imagines a car versus a fleet of bikes, legs pumping like supercharged pistons.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

He is Gout of this world. That is not human.

[John Wertheim]

Gout turned in a time of 20.04 seconds in the 200 meter dash, clocking the fastest time in Australian history.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

This may be the fastest we've ever seen.

[John Wertheim]

Breaking a mark set by another runner at, get this, the 1968 Olympics. These are adults records.

[Gout Gout]

Yeah, these are adult tyres. And me, just a kid.

[John Wertheim]

Gout's time in the 200 also broke the world age group record set in 2003 by Usain Bolt, the Jamaican eight time gold medalist, considered the sport's Greatest ever. This race, you basically became the fastest 16 year old in history.

[Gout Gout]

My first couple steps I had a good start and if I have a good start, you know, it's kind of over because my top end speed is great. And once I get in the top end speed.

[John Wertheim]

What is running nourishing in you?

[Gout Gout]

Running just feeds that, I guess, inner child in me that wants to kind of feel free. Like running makes me feel like myself for sure.

[John Wertheim]

This is what you were meant to do?

[Gout Gout]

Yeah, this is what I was pretty much put on this earth to do. And that's what I'm doing.

[John Wertheim]

It's made him an overnight sensation. He keeps getting faster and on his current trajectory of speed, he could be a force at the LA Olympics in 2028. Four years after that, the ultimate home game.

[Gout Gout]

We're in Brisbane, you know, like this is home, the place I grew up.

[John Wertheim]

Brisbane, the only home Gaut's known hosts the 2032 Summer Games. Gout will be 24 then. The age when sprinters tend really to hit their stride.

[Sharon Alfonsi]

So let's watch the young superstar rise.

[Jeff Landry]

He's flying.

[John Wertheim]

He will be.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Get out of this universe.

[John Wertheim]

The reaction was warranted.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Unbelievable.

[John Wertheim]

He didn't just win this race. The time qualified him for the World Championships. And if you worry all the hype is enough to inflate the ego of a teenager, don't note the woman in the visor. This grouchy grandma about to break up all the fun. That's Dye Shepard, Gout's coach. The only one he's ever had.

[Dye Shepard]

Do we need to chase the attention? I don't like the attention. It's not my cup of tea. Gout handles it totally different to me, but good cop, bad cop.

[John Wertheim]

You're okay being the bad cow?

[Dye Shepard]

Hell yeah. It doesn't bother me one bit.

[Gout Gout]

Hey, mate.

[John Wertheim]

Ask Yao when he acts his age. And as we saw goofs off at practice, his coach isn't having it.

[Lesley Stahl]

Any excuse.

[John Wertheim]

For real.

[Gout Gout]

Like if I did a curveball and the wind took it.

[Dye Shepard]

You know, Mike, you're lucky you can run.

[John Wertheim]

This is a story of next big thing, energy swimming of his limber legs and her bad knees.

[Dye Shepard]

All right, guys, let's go.

[John Wertheim]

It's also a throwback story. A tale of old fashioned values and virtues, not loyalty and patience.

[Dye Shepard]

Set.

[John Wertheim]

Pretty good start.

[Dye Shepard]

There's no such thing as perfect start, right? For us, it's all about the learning curve.

[John Wertheim]

We begin in 2005, when Gout's parents emigrated from South Sudan to Brisbane, Australia's third largest city. Their second son of seven kids, Gout was born in 2007. His double name in keeping with Sudanese tradition.

[Dye Shepard]

Make sure you're driving back. Yeah, you want to try and get that negative foot contact.

[John Wertheim]

When Gaut was the equivalent of a seventh grader at Ipswich Grammar, shepherd, then as now the school's track coach spotted him racing classmates.

[Dye Shepard]

You get to hear and all of

[John Wertheim]

a sudden it's just like, yeah, you're running around with your friends and this woman says, hey, come here. Yeah, yeah.

[Gout Gout]

Because previous to that, like people would be like scared of her because she's cranky. People say, um, so like me being a kid, a 12 year old, 13 year old kid, I'm like, like, am I getting in trouble? Like what's going on? And then she calls me over, she's like, you should come to track and field training.

[John Wertheim]

I'm guessing you won that sprint across the field.

[Dye Shepard]

After they were showing me a particular boy and Gout was running against this particular boy and I'm just going, no, no. Who's the other kid? Who's that? I want him.

[John Wertheim]

What did you see?

[Dye Shepard]

I looked at him and just went, oh my God. Something just gut punchy. It was just like, this kid's a real deal.

[John Wertheim]

You saw greatness from, from that day I saw him.

[Dye Shepard]

So I was just talking to the junior school headmaster and I'd said to him that watch me, I'm gonna make that one a champion. He thought I was mucking around.

[John Wertheim]

She never mucks around. She has no formal track background. But her son was a fast kid with big ambitions. And in the early 2000s, when he was a student at Ipswich Grammar, she inquired as to how to become a track coach at the school. She was told that only school employees could coach Fine. She quit her job at a supermarket and took a job handing out school uniforms so she'd be eligible. Soon after starting to train with Coach Dye, Gout was winning and winning

[Lesley Stahl]

Ipswich Grammar.

[John Wertheim]

There were medals, trophies and in time, an agent. Then something funny happened or didn't happen. For all the attention and opportunities, Gout stayed in school where in December he graduated with straight A's and he stayed with Coach Dye.

[Gout Gout]

It's a pretty crazy dynamic when you think about it. Old white lady and a young black kid, you know, is crazy dynamic, but turns out it works perfectly and wouldn't have it any other way.

[John Wertheim]

Yeah, you appreciate something almost like a movie, like cinematic, straight out of a movie, but it works.

[Gout Gout]

Yeah, indeed it does work. And I guess our personalities kind of filter off each other like all on the same level, and we're all learning, so it's a great relationship.

[Dye Shepard]

You want to let the weight come up itself.

[John Wertheim]

If the coaching relationship is singular, well, so is everything about Gallup. Yes, there are the inevitable comparisons to Bolt, who recently said of Gout, he looks like young me. But in truth, Gout recalls few other sprinters. For one, there's his unique physique, more befitting a runner of longer distances. Gout is 6ft tall, less than 150 pounds, all tendons, bones and ropy muscles. By comparison, bolt ran at 6 foot 5, 207 pounds. Where bolt exploded from the start, Gout can struggle off the blocks. It's the mid race. Speed, endurance, his ability to sustain top speed of roughly 25 miles an hour, that makes him extraordinary. But he's still an unfinished product. And shepherd says failing to account for that can bring about injury and burnout.

[Dye Shepard]

If I tried to make him super quick now, I'd break him.

[John Wertheim]

You can't have a sprinter's approach to sprinting.

[Dye Shepard]

The fact he's a kid and he's got so much more physical development. Like, he only really hit puberty in the last 12 to 18 months, basically.

[John Wertheim]

Really?

[Dye Shepard]

Yep. I had to deal with a lot of growth issues with Gout. When I met Gat, he walked right up on his toes. Took me six months to get the heel down and it wasn't all the way down, he still walked. That's why he looks like he kind of.

[John Wertheim]

He's got these springs in his legs now. Dylan Hicks is an expert in sports biomechanics and a movement scientist at Flinders University in Adelaide. He recently published an academic paper on sprinting based on his country's new star. Everybody has springs in their legs because we've got these things called Achilles tendons. But when we have them at a longer length, Achilles tendons are really powerful at storing elastic energy. So we see him sort of bouncing his way down the track and using less steps to than everybody else. Predictably, brands have come calling. An Adidas deal reportedly pays Gout a base of more than $4 million over eight years. Were you worried when the Adidas money came that was going to change the dynamic and the balance?

[Dye Shepard]

I think the only time we'll have trouble is if it's a girl that I don't like.

[John Wertheim]

He brings home a girlfriend that doesn't meet Coach Dye's approval.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

What happens?

[Dye Shepard]

I'd go to Mum and go, she's got to go.

[John Wertheim]

By the way, if you're looking for classic hovering sports Parents, well, wrong family. Busy raising their other kids and working. Dad runs a dishwashing operation at the local hospital. Mom works inside the home. Gout's parents politely decline all interview requests, ours included. In effect, they've deputized Coach Dye to help oversee their son's ascending career. The only way she rolls, anyway. I'm guessing you and helicopter parents don't get on too well.

[Dye Shepard]

Not at all.

[John Wertheim]

You're up front about this?

[Dye Shepard]

Yep.

[John Wertheim]

I'm gonna be the coach. And if you want to hover and you want to share in the glory, I'm probably not the coach for you.

[Dye Shepard]

Yep.

[John Wertheim]

Last summer, we visited Goud and Coach Die in Germany, where they held a training base in Tubingen, a sleepy college town, all uneven streets and smooth tracks. I feel bad. We don't want to turn an ankle on cobblestone. Indeed, they were fresh off Gauch's international pro debut, his first race as a pro in Europe. This from Gout Galt, a battle between these two and Gaut working so hard to get to him.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

And he gets there.

[John Wertheim]

Gout takes it by meter at the big meet in Ostrava in the Czech Republic. He took first in the 200, shaving time off his personal best.

[Dye Shepard]

I'm big on stepping stones. I'm big on. Okay, well, we've got to enjoy that, but it's a step. You're not there yet.

[John Wertheim]

We're not doing victory laps for what you did when you were 17 years old.

[Dye Shepard]

How many people run 20.04 men. Not a boy, but men. So, yeah, you're there. But then he's got to take the next leap.

[John Wertheim]

Last fall, at 17, the youngest 200 meter sprinter at the track world Championships, Gout carried great expectations into Tokyo, having garnered attention that's hard to come by in the sport outside of the Olympics, he placed fourth in his semifinal heat, an indication there are some levels to go. But then, just last month, the next leap.

[Benjamin Netanyahu]

Gout's in front. He's coming away now.

[John Wertheim]

At a race in Sydney, Gout became the fastest teenager in the history of the world in the 200, running a 19.67, a time that would have won him bronze at the 2024 Olympics. Still, he's not getting ahead of himself. It strikes me you're sprinting, but pacing your life is really important.

[Gout Gout]

Yeah. Like, it's crazy to think about how you want to run as fast as possible, but you don't want to overload too much when you're a teenager, because then that messes up the rest of your career. Like, you know, you got all the time in the world.

[John Wertheim]

What do the next few years look like? In February, we watched him work out with local kids. Not exactly a world class, but Gout and his unlikely coach believe that right now this is the best environment as he works toward future Olympics. He is a big enough deal here that he's received perhaps the highest Australian honor, a signature line of that delicacy, Vegemite. Imagine Nutella if chocolate were brown yeast. Very on brand for an up and coming Aussie athlete. But stardom, he says, is no goal. You're okay with fame?

[Gout Gout]

Me personally, I didn't call it fame. I like to call it well known in the wider community.

[John Wertheim]

Well known in the wider community.

[Gout Gout]

That's right. That's right. So I don't really use the word famous, but, you know, just well known.

[John Wertheim]

You're doing okay with being well known

[Anderson Cooper]

in the wider community?

[Gout Gout]

Yeah, you're doing all right. Yeah.

[Sharon Alfonsi]

See how Usain Bolt and Gaut Gout stack up against each other in the 200.

[John Wertheim]

Easy to see how he might break

[Sharon Alfonsi]

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[Benjamin Netanyahu]

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[Anderson Cooper]

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[John Wertheim]

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[Anderson Cooper]

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[John Wertheim]

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[Anderson Cooper]

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