A Bit of Optimism: The Extraordinary Magic of Ordinary People with Brad Meltzer

Released: June 10, 2025 | Host: Simon Sinek

In this inspiring episode of A Bit of Optimism, host Simon Sinek engages in a heartfelt conversation with acclaimed author Brad Meltzer. Titled "The Extraordinary Magic of Ordinary People," the episode delves deep into the lives and philosophies that drive ordinary individuals to enact extraordinary change. Through honest discussions, personal anecdotes, and profound insights, Sinek and Meltzer explore the essence of passion, resilience, and the human spirit.

1. Brad Meltzer’s Journey and Connection with Simon Sinek

Simon Sinek introduces Brad Meltzer as a prolific writer known for his mystery novels, thrillers, and engaging children's books. Meltzer's extensive bibliography includes works on iconic superheroes like Superman, Spider-Man, and Batman, as well as inspirational biographies for young readers. Their friendship dates back over 16 years, rooted in mutual support and collaboration.

Brad Meltzer [02:11]: "You have to have at least one person in their life who said, 'You have to do this. This is actually worth doing.'"

Their initial collaboration involved Sinek helping Meltzer with a book proposal while Meltzer assisted Sinek in rediscovering his "why." This mutual support system laid the foundation for Meltzer's prolific writing career.

2. The Power of Ordinary People

A central theme of the episode is the remarkable impact ordinary individuals can have on the world. Meltzer emphasizes that it's not superhuman abilities but the inherent humanity and everyday actions that make heroes.

Brad Meltzer [00:54]: "The key ingredient is not the heat vision or the powers... but that part of man. I wish I could do something that's beyond ourselves and do something right, especially by other people."

Meltzer recounts how ordinary people, like his ninth-grade English teacher Sheila Spicer and a compassionate neighbor named Mirsi, played pivotal roles in his life. These individuals exemplify how everyday kindness and support can ignite profound personal growth and success.

3. Overcoming Adversity and Embracing Struggle

Meltzer shares personal stories of overcoming significant challenges, including financial struggles during his teenage years and working low-wage jobs. These experiences underscored the importance of resilience and determination.

Brad Meltzer [10:07]: "When my dad lost his job, we moved in with my grandparents... It was terrifying."

A particularly moving story is Meltzer’s encounter with Nick Wickett, a friend from high school who achieved his dream of training dolphins at SeaWorld despite early setbacks. This narrative highlights the transformative power of perseverance.

4. The Role of Passion and Commitment

Both Sinek and Meltzer discuss how passion—the undeniable urge to pursue something deeply meaningful—is a common trait among successful individuals. However, passion alone isn't sufficient; it must be coupled with unwavering commitment.

Brad Meltzer [16:28]: "These things take time and intentionality and they take you... full commitment to the bit or it all falls apart."

Meltzer contrasts the superficial advice of "following your passion" with a more nuanced understanding that true fulfillment comes from persistent effort and dedication, even in the face of failure.

5. Dealing with Rejection and Failure

Failure is portrayed not as an endpoint but as a crucial component of growth. Meltzer recounts receiving 24 rejection letters for his first book, yet viewing each rejection as a stepping stone toward eventual success.

Brad Meltzer [18:29]: "I said, if they don't like that book, I'm going to write another."

This attitude transforms rejection into motivation, illustrating how setbacks can fuel the drive to improve and succeed.

6. The Impact of Mentors and Support Systems

Throughout the conversation, the importance of mentors and supportive relationships is evident. Meltzer credits his teacher Sheila Spicer and his girlfriend for believing in his potential, which significantly influenced his career trajectory.

Brad Meltzer [05:54]: "We work on my why, and you said you believe ordinary people change the world."

These relationships provided the necessary affirmation and encouragement that empowered Meltzer to pursue his dreams relentlessly.

7. AI vs. Human Emotion in Storytelling

Meltzer explores the limitations of artificial intelligence in capturing genuine human emotion. He shares an experiment where AI attempted to write a heartfelt moment in his book about Simone Biles but failed to convey the depth of emotion he intended.

Brad Meltzer [23:17]: "AI doesn't have taste and AI doesn't have feelings, and it has no soul, right? That's it."

This discussion underscores the irreplaceable value of human authenticity and emotional intelligence in creative endeavors.

8. Superheroes and Villains: Reflections on Character

Meltzer expresses his admiration for superheroes like Superman and Batman, not for their powers, but for their human qualities. He identifies more with Clark Kent's ordinary nature and Batman's relentless determination.

Brad Meltzer [31:05]: "I'll never be Superman. I'll never lift the car over my head. But it doesn't mean I can't fight for good and do something right."

He also analyzes comic book villains, noting that the best antagonists serve as perfect foils to the heroes by embodying opposing values and philosophies.

9. Brad's Commencement Address and Its Impact

One of the most profound moments in the episode is Meltzer's recounting of his viral commencement speech at the University of Michigan. In the speech, he emphasized empathy as a form of "magic" that transforms individuals and communities.

Brad Meltzer [48:09]: "Criminality and venom have become sport in our culture. But what takes strength is switching places with someone else and showing kindness and empathy."

The speech resonated deeply with thousands, leading to widespread acclaim and inspiring a subsequent book on empathy and kindness.

10. The Essence of Hope and Inspiration

Throughout the episode, both Sinek and Meltzer convey a powerful message of hope. They emphasize that even amidst struggles and failures, maintaining a belief in oneself and the goodness of others can lead to transformative outcomes.

Brad Meltzer [40:27]: "If you are a good person and put good in the world, the world will be a better place."

Their dialogue serves as a testament to the enduring power of optimism and the extraordinary impact of ordinary individuals committed to making a difference.

Notable Quotes:

• Brad Meltzer [16:28]: "These things take time and intentionality and they take you... full commitment to the bit or it all falls apart."

• Brad Meltzer [23:17]: "AI doesn't have taste and AI doesn't have feelings, and it has no soul, right? That's it."

• Brad Meltzer [31:05]: "I'll never be Superman. I'll never lift the car over my head. But it doesn't mean I can't fight for good and do something right."

• Brad Meltzer [48:09]: "Criminality and venom have become sport in our culture. But what takes strength is switching places with someone else and showing kindness and empathy."

Conclusion

In this episode, Brad Meltzer and Simon Sinek illuminate the profound truth that greatness often arises from ordinary beginnings. Through stories of personal adversity, unwavering commitment, and the influence of supportive mentors, listeners are encouraged to find and follow their own "why." The conversation serves as a powerful reminder that success is not just about achieving goals but about the journey of growth, resilience, and the impact one can have on others.

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