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Song 177: “Never Learn Not to Love” by the Beach Boys, Part 3: “Mister, Can You Give Me Some Direction?”
For those who haven’t heard the announcement I posted, songs from this point on will sometimes be split among multiple episodes, so this is the third part of a multi-episode look at the song “Never Learn Not to Love” by the Beach Boys, and the links betw
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Andrew Hickey
A History of rock Music in 500 Songs by Andrew Hinkey Song 177 Never Learn not to Love by the Beach Boys Part 3 Mr. Can you give me some direction before I begin? This episode, like all of this mini series, deals with some difficult topics, including grooming and manipulation and with racist exploitation of black people. It also contains some quotations from people expressing extremely racist opinions. I have tried to steer away from quoting anything with a direct slur in, but some of the quotes are nonetheless disturbing but needed to be quoted to give context for the rest of the narrative. We talked back in part one of this series on Never Learn not to Love about the roots of American popular music in vaudeville, which in turn had its roots in minstrelsy. But in the late 19th and early 20th centuries there was a competitor to vaudeville and that competitor was known as chautauqua. These days, if people have heard of chautauqua at all, they've heard of it from one of two sources. They've most likely heard about it from Robert Persig's mega best selling book Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, which he wrote between 1968 and 1974. That book was one of those books that becomes culturally ubiquitous for a few years and then vanishes again just as suddenly. Persig later tried to explain the success of the book, which came as much of a shock to him as to anyone else, saying the book also appeared at a time of cultural upheaval on the matter of material success. Hippies were having none of it. Conservatives were baffled. Material success was the American dream. Millions of European peasants had longed for it all their lives and come to America to find it, a world in which they and their descendants would at last have enough. Now their spoiled descendants were throwing that whole dream in their faces, saying it wasn't any good. What did they want? The hippies had in mind something that they wanted and were calling it freedom. But in the final analysis freedom is a purely negative goal. It just says something is bad. Hippies weren't really offering any alternatives other than colourful short term ones, and some of these were looking more and more like pure degeneracy. Degeneracy can be fun, but it's hard to keep up as a serious lifetime occupation. Persig's book was partly an autobiographical tale of a motorcycle trip from Minnesota to California with his son and of his own experiences with mental illness. Partly a self help guide of sorts, of the kind we talked about disparagingly. Last episode though, one which nowadays would almost certainly lead to the author being diagnosed as neurodivergent, as many of the things he talks about as universals of human experience seem less universal and more specific than maybe he realised. And partly an attempt to expound Persig's own ideas about philosophy, which seemed partly to come from Plato, partly from Taoism, partly from Zen, and to have crystallised around the phrase tatvamasi. Sorry if I pronounced that wrong, one of the Sanskrit Mahavakyas, the great sayings of the Upanishads, the founding texts of Hinduism. Tatvamasi is usually translated as Thou art that, and is part of a series of great sayings which, when taken together, express a philosophy which I may well misunderstand. So apologies to any Hindus or to anyone else for whom the Vedas have great significance if I express this poorly, but which come down to the idea that Brahman, the supreme God, is everything, everything is an aspect of Brahman, and that everything is in some sense everything else. The that in Thou art that, as I understand it, can mean both God and another thing. You are that orange or computer or writing desk or other person, but both you and that also are in some sense God. This idea had a profound effect throughout much of the counterculture and alternative culture in the 60s and early 70s. In Stranger in a Strange Land, the Heinlein book we talked about briefly last time, the main mantra cum slogan of the Church of All Worlds, the religion set up in the book is Thou art God. Similarly, the Beach Boys, after hearing these ideas expressed by the Maharishi as a set of sayings, I am that thou art that and all this is that, wrote the song all this Is that for their 1972 album Carl and the Passions so Tough.
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Hudie Ledbetter
This is that I am, that Thou art, that Thou art all this is that I am, that Thou art, that all this is.
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Andrew Hickey
Inspired by this insight, Persig decided to write a book trying to explain his own personal philosophy. And he described the explanations he interspersed through the book, which he called chautauquas, as what is in mind is a sort of chotorqua. That's the only name I can think of for it. Like the travelling Tencho, chautauquas that used to move across America, this America, the one that we are now in an old time series of popular talks intended to edify and entertain, improve the mind and bring culture and enlightenment to the ears and thoughts of the hearer, the chautauquas were pushed aside by faster paced radios, movies and tv, and it seems to me the change was not entirely an improvement that is, broadly speaking, accurate. But it's only half of what the chotorquas were. The other half is shown in the only other real pop cultural survival of the chautauquas that anyone is likely to be familiar with, the Elvis film the Trouble With Girls.
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Hudie Ledbetter
Black porch preacher preaching at me, acting like he wrote the Golden Rule, shaking his fist and screeching at me shouting from his soapbox like a fool. Come Sunday morning he's lying in bed with his eyes all red in his head wishing he was dead but he ought to be heading for a Sunday school Clean up your own backyard.
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Andrew Hickey
In the Trouble With Girls, one of Elvis's more watchable films, partly because of a cast that includes Vincent Price, John Carradine, Dabney Coleman, Joyce Van Patten and many more great character actors, Elvis plays the rather sleazy manager of a rather scammy travelling show, which seems rather more low class than Percyck's description, but which is also called a chautauqua. The answer is that chotorkas were both of these sort of they had their roots in the kind of progressivism we talked about in the last episode with respect to Pat Neff. A combination of ideas that don't seem to go together all that well today, like methodism, populism, temperance and prohibition, women's suffrage and a kind of bootstrap mentality and prosperity gospel tautocras were touring shows, often performing in tents like circuses, which makes lectures which were meant to be uplifting, educational and morally improving, with light entertainment of a slightly more genteel type than one would find in vaudeville, where in vaudeville, for example, black performers would have to do minstrel acts performing as racist stereotypes of their own culture. In chautauqua there would be more likely to be acts like the Fisk Jubilee Singers, who sang spirituals. A typical program for chautauqua would be like one from Iowa City from 1909 that I found in the University of Iowa's online collection of materials on chautauquas. That programme included a Hopi performer giving a talk about the history and legends of his race and also performing magic tricks presented as if they were real occult powers. Several bands and orchestras a lecture by Honourable Harris R. Cooley on the advanced methods of dealing with dependents and criminals, a lecture by Harvey Washington Wylie, later the first head of the fda, on the need for laws around pure food, three comedians a lecture on the power of suggestion for health, happiness and good the Reverend Charles Medbury on the problems of America's young Manhood and womanhood. A quick draw cartoonist, A lecture about the horticulturalist Luther Burbank by a friend of his, a series of songs and stories on the theme he can. Who thinks he can. And you get the idea. They were a mixture of light entertainment, actually educational talks and. And the kind of self help stuff that would later migrate to books like Dale Carnegie's and Prosperity Gospel evangelists. By the late 1920s, chautauquas and vaudeville essentially merged as vaudeville slowly cleaned itself up and got a little more respectable in an effort to get more high class audiences. While chautauquas started incorporating more and more entertainment and less and less education in an attempt to attract more paying customers. But they originally started out as a far more sincerely educational effort than what they'd evolved into. They were a way for people without access to formal education to get some form of basic learning and to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Rooted in a Methodist ethic of self improvement, the first chautauquas were very much of this type and were rooted in one spot rather than traveling all over the country. That spot, Lake Chautauqua, is where they took the name from. And in the mid 19th century people would travel from all over to spend a few weeks every summer at Lake Chautauqua learning, cut down simplified versions of what richer people were learning at university. And one man who would go along every year was a country school teacher from Texas who only had one year of university education and hadn't been able to afford more, named John Lomax.
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Hudie Ledbetter
Old master told the boys to pick a bale of cotton Old master told the boys to pick a bale a day oh Lordy Pick a Bailey cotton and a oh Lordy Pick a bail a day A pickle Bailey pick a bailey Pick a Bailey cotton and a pick a Bailey Pick a bail a pick a bale a day oh my wife and Shiloh can pick a bale of cotton and my wife and Shiloh can pick a bale a day oh Lordy pick a bale of cotton and a oh Lord that pick a bale a day Gonna jump down, turn around and pick a bale of cotton Gonna jump down, turn around and pick a bale of day.
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Andrew Hickey
We've talked in many previous episodes about John Lomax, the the famed ethnomusicologist and folk song collector. Though we've talked more about his son Alan Lomax, along with his sons Alan and John Jr. Who we just heard singing was the person who, more than any other, was responsible for the shape of American folk music in the 20th century, for both good and bad. Lomax always thought of himself more than anything else as a teacher. One of his most formative memories, as he would later recount it, was of being a small child and teaching an older black teenager named Nat Blythe, an indentured servant who had been born into slavery, to read and do algebra. He would say, nhat made me a teacher. To what extent this is actually true is, as with a lot of things to do with Lomax, open to question, but it tells us a lot, not only about how he saw himself, but about how he saw black people. Lomax was born in Mississippi in 1867, two years after the ending of the Slaveholders Rebellion, later euphemised as the American Civil War, the son of someone who had been in charge of punishing enslaved people and had bought his own land with money from his crimes. Two years after his birth, though, the family moved to Texas, where he grew up and spent much of the first half of his long life. Lomax grew up on a farm, and everyone in the family was expected to work on the farm, but the family also expected the men to get at least some education. So he had a year of university before he had to start work. After his one year at university, he became a country school teacher, but he wanted to be better educated than the people around him, so every year he went off to Chotorqua in the summer. Chautauqua had started in 1874, so only a few years earlier, and had originally been a training school for Sunday school teachers, where they would go in the summer months. Lomax would later sneer at the cut down version of a humanities education he got from chautauqua. And to an extent, he had good reason to, as the education obtained from chautauqua was probably not that far from the one that could be gained from that other fine American institution, the Reader's Digest, with cut down, easily digestible, bite sized versions of mathematics and the humanities. But in another sense, there is nothing wrong with simplified versions of complex subjects as an introduction to them for those like Lomax who had gone to be scholars, or as a taste of them for people with a more casual but real interest. On his annual visits to chautauqua, Lomax learned the rudiments of Latin, brushed up on his mathematics, and was introduced to the poetry of Tennyson and Browning, both of whom were hugely influential on his thought. He also got a rudimentary introduction to art music there, although he was never a fan of it or of what he called citified singers. In particular, Lomax was someone who preferred what he thought of as primitive expressive art to sophisticated techniques. This was especially the case when it came to music from black people. Lomax would later complain that groups like the Fisk Jubilee Singers were machine like and insipid and didn't make proper black music. Of course, the fact that Lomax thought that he, the white son of a literal slave driver, was a better arbiter of what was authentic black music than a group of black musicians, who is itself very telling. After Lomax's father died, he inherited 11 acres of land. And with that, plus the sale of a pony and more importantly a loan from a rich cousin whose mother had inherited a lot of enslaved people and who had thus been the wealthy side of the family, he went off to the whites only University of Texas, finally starting to get a proper university education. Aged 27. He stayed at the university from 1895 through 1903, first getting his bachelor's degree in two years and then studying for a master's degree while working as a university registrar. In 1903, Lomax seems to have had something of a midlife crisis, precipitated by a long distance girlfriend dying of tuberculosis, very close in time to his rich cousin Lon, the one who had lent him the money for his tuition, also dying. Soon after this, he ended up marrying a woman 13 years his junior who had been introduced to him by his dead girlfriend and moving from the University of Texas to Texas A and M, the University of Texas main rival, where he spent a couple of years as a lecturer. At one point he was to supervise classes at Prairie View State Normal and Industrial College, a branch of Texas A and M that gave vocational classes to black students. He wrote to his fiance about seeing a student concert there and warning. This passage contained some very racist statements. The singing is perfect, the rhythm modulation and perfect. Time I have not heard excelled yet. The old time negro trill is gone. These blacks are civilized still. It is pitiful, Pitiful with my heart all tender and softened by the two days I had with you. Something I find in these faces the impossible barrier so plain to me that bars them perpetually from the highest achievements of civilization, the almost hopeless struggle before them. It is hopeless in its larger meaning. With a thousand thoughts like these the day and its experiences have moved me highly. This attitude would be the one Lomax would hold for the rest of his life, that black people were incapable of being civilised and that attempts to do so would only lead to their art being lessened by having the rough edges smoothed off. After a couple of years at A&M, Lomax went off to Harvard to do postgraduate study, and there he found what would end up becoming his life's work.
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Hudie Ledbetter
O for he ben my bonny young man I've been to the wild wedding mither mark my bed soon For I'm.
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Andrew Hickey
Weary wi hunting and a fane would lie doon that song, Lord Randall is one of the Child Ballads, the most famous English language traditional folk song collection. That collection, more formally titled the English and Scottish popular ballads, contains 305 numbered folk song lyrics, each with many variants, and was an attempt to catalogue the lyrics, though not the music, of every traditional English or Scottish folk song and their American derivatives. The English and Scottish Popular ballads was a 10 volume set and was largely the work of Francis James child, who in 1876 had become the first professor of English at Harvard University and was a noted scholar of Shakespeare and Chaucer, but who is now best remembered for his folk song collection. But Childe had died before the completion of volume 10, which was thus edited by his successor as professor of English at Harvard, George Lyman Kittredge, a close colleague of Child's with a similar passion for ballad collecting. When Lomax got to Harvard, he took a class on literary history in America, taught by Barrett Wendell, who told his class that he was bored of getting papers on the same four or five authors all the time, and so he wanted them to write papers on some aspect of literature that was local to the part of America they came from, rather than just going over the same old stuff. Lomax had been interested in the folk songs he'd heard growing up. He would later talk about how he collected a lot of songs as a young man, but burned his manuscript after getting told that kind of work was not appropriate when at the University of Texas. Given Lomax's character, that's likely a self aggrandizing tall tale. But it is the case that during Lomax's time at the University of Texas there was an anonymous article published Minstrelsy of the Mexican Border in the U of T magazine, which appears to be Lomax's work and contains short sections of lyrics of several cowboy songs. Lomax suggested that he could write about the songs of the cowboys for his paper, and Wendell was so impressed with the idea that he arranged for Lomax to meet Kittredge. Kittredge was enthused by the idea, not only because he was interested in collecting folk songs. This was the point when the Old west was starting to be consolidated as America's great national myth. And there would be no better time for a project focused on cowboys.
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Hudie Ledbetter
When I was a cowboy I own a wizard flame When I was a cowboy out on the western FL I made a half a million pulling on a bridle range Kaka yicky come a cow cow y kick oh, the hardest battle.
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Andrew Hickey
Lomax started work initially just writing letters to newspaper editors throughout the west, asking if anyone knew any old cowboy songs that had never been published, and for them to write to him with the lyrics of them. After his year of graduate study at Harvard, Lomax returned to A and M, but remained in correspondence with Kittredge and Wendell, and his project eventually turned into a book, Cowboy Songs and Other Frontier Ballads, for which Lomax was able to use his Harvard connections to get former President Theodore Roosevelt to provide an introduction. That book contained folk songs that Lomax had collected, many of which have since become classics of Western music, like Gitalung Little dogies.
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Hudie Ledbetter
As I was a walking one morning for pleasure I spied a cowpuncher all ridin alone. His hat was throwed back and his spurs were a jinglin. And as he approached he was singing this song. Hoopey ti o get along little dogies it's your misfortune and none of my own. Hoopie ti I o get along little dogies, you know that Wyoming will be.
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Andrew Hickey
Your new and home on the range.
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Hudie Ledbetter
Oh, give me a home where the boy buffalo, where the deer and the antelope play, where seldom is heard a discouraging word and the skies are not cloudy all day.
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Andrew Hickey
That last became one of the most well known songs of all time, though it was embarrassing for Lomax later, after the song had become a massive hit, to discover via some highly public legal action, that Home on the Range wasn't an anonymous product of the folk process, but did in fact have named authors, one of whom was even still alive when the book was published, Though thankfully for Lomax, copyright law at the time was such that the song was out of copyright anyway. After his book of cowboy songs, Lomax's intended next project was a collection of songs from black people. For all that Lomax had a terrible attitude towards black people as people, he was always an admirer of black people's music, at least as he saw it. But that project came to nothing, and his next book, a collaboration, was instead a book about Texas that followed an anthology of cowboy poetry in 1919. But Lomax's life was starting to fall apart. He had moved from A and M back to the university of Texas, thanks to some internal academic politicking. But then in 1917, he got forced out of that role again, thanks to academic politics. He got a role running at the organisation for ex students of the university, but ran into problems with that too. And in 1925, he ended up working for a bank. It had been six years since his last book and 15 years since he'd decided to do the Book of Black Songs, and so far there was no sign he would ever complete that. 1925, though, was not the best time to be starting a career in banking, because it was just four years before the Wall Street Crash. The bank coped for a few years after the crash. Things moved more slowly then, but Lomax was the one who was tasked with phoning customers and letting them know that they'd lost all their money. This job was, as you can imagine, both stressful in itself and especially demeaning for one like Lomax, who had had aspirations of being a Harvard professor. And then, to make matters worse, Lomax's wife died and left him to look after their four children. Lomax's own health had never been great and the stress exacerbated it to the point that he was incapable of doing his work. And in 1932, he was told by the bank to take a year of unpaid leave. His job would be there for him in a year if he got well enough to come back to it. And so, at the age of 64, John Lomax finally started on his life's work.
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Hudie Ledbetter
Baby and the buggies blue sure enough that's all right, honey that's all right, baby Way up Yuga above that sun Bloody girls all call me darling Sugar plum sure enough that's all right, baby that's all right, darling Let me tell you, sugar what the kitty done Loaded she left limp foot darling it half past one show enough that's all right, they've been.
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Andrew Hickey
Lomax had sunk into a deep depression, but as it happened, his son, John Lomax Jr. Known as Johnny, had also lost his own job at a bank. And Johnny, being much younger and with some savings, took a very different attitude to the one that his father did. As far as Johnny was concerned, this was an opportunity for his father to do all the things he'd spent decades saying he wanted to do, but had never been able to do because of his day job. Lomax had been saying for more than 20 years he wanted to do a book on black music, and he wanted to do an American version of the Child Ballads, collecting American folk songs the way childe had collected English and Scottish ones. Why not just do that? He could do a lecture tour because he was still known in folklore circles and that could bring in some money. And while doing that, he could also renew his connections with people in the folklore world and get resources for the work of collecting folk songs he was planning to do. Johnny would be his assistant, booking the tour and driving him around. He would give lectures at any institution that would take him and he would sell copies of his books after the talk. Soon the two were joined by Lomax's younger son Alan, who took over Johnny's role as Johnny got a job. John and Alan Lomax had very, very different political philosophies. John Lomax was a right wing Southern Democrat at a time when the Democratic Party was the more socially conservative of the two parties in the us, Though by this point it had started its leftward journey thanks to the beginnings of the New Deal. While Alan was a left winger and at the very least a fellow traveller of and sympathiser with communists, if not a communist himself. Lomax soon got a contract with Macmillan, the publishers of his earlier cowboy songbook, for a book that would eventually be written in collaboration with Alan and titled American Ballads and Folk Songs. According to Lomax, the song that persuaded Macmillan to publish the book was actually a version he collected of Ida Red, the song we talked about way back in Episode three. Though the Ayda Red that Lomax collected was actually much closer to the song known as over the Road I'm Bound To Go than to the aider ed variant we talked about there. John and Lahon Lomax started an association with the Library of Congress and started collecting songs to be used both in the book they were working on and in the Library of Congress's archives. To do this, they started making field recordings, taking disc recording equipment with them to record the songs they were collecting as performed, rather than just writing them down as most previous folk song collectors had done. And they were going to start their recordings in prisons and recording specifically black people. John Lomax wanted to record the primitive original versions of folk songs, not music that had been tainted by commercialism. In part, this was because after he had collected Home on the Range, it had become a huge hit and he wanted to be able to copyright any songs he collected in his own name in the hope that lightning would strike twice. And Lomax's racist views led him to believe that black people had a more primitive culture that wasn't influenced by the white world and certainly not by the commercial world. But he also was aware, as we've seen, that there were black people who were making sophisticated music. Rather than thinking of that as a sign that he was wrong and that black people were as interested in pop music as whites, he rather saw that as a terrible adulteration that needed to be avoided if he wanted to capture older traditions. And he came to the conclusion that the best way to do that would be to visit prisons because there would be large populations of black people who had been locked away from white society for years, so who wouldn't have been contaminated by Tympan Alley and jazz and other such evils of the modern civilized world. So John and Alan started visiting prisons with letters from the Library of Congress, easing their way, recording the singers there. Their first visits were to prisons in Texas where they recorded singers including Mose Platt, nicknamed Clear Rock, and James Baker, nicknamed Iron Head. Lomax was particularly impressed with Baker, who we just heard and who he referred to as a black Homer. This is worth mentioning because of who the Lomax is next recorded, because in July 1933, they went to Angola and there they discovered Hudie Ledbetter. And it's at this time that for the first time ever, the name Leadbelly gets associated with Leadbetter in any information we have. Leadbetter himself never used the name to refer to himself in his private life, seeing it as a stage name and not one he was fond of and always signing his full name on letters. And none of his friends and family used the name, but John Lomax used it all the time and seems never to have referred to him by any other name. We don't have any documentation as to how the name got attached to Leadbetter. And most people think of it as a prison nickname. And that's probably the most likely explanation. But I can't help but notice the similarity between Leadbelly and Iron Head as names and wonder if, given that these recordings came only a few days after Lomax had been impressed by Baker. The name was Lomax's idea. When they met Ledbetter, he had just been told that he would be eligible to apply for parole if the governor would sign the relevant papers. Usually a formality, but the governor had not yet signed them. Between songs, Ledbetter told them how he was eligible for parole and would they put in a good word with the governor to get him to sign the papers. Lomax initially considered doing so by his own account because he was impressed enough by Ledbetter's singing and guitar playing that he thought he would be useful as part of Lomax's lecture tours. But then he reconsidered. After all, as he wrote in his autobiography, the picture kept coming to my mind of Alan and myself asleep by the roadside in the swamps of Louisiana and Mississippi with this particular black man on his cot nearby, and the prospect did not look attractive. But he was, however, still impressed by Leadbetter's music, and particularly by one song, one that Leadbetter had written. Though it was the product of the folk process. The melody is the same as a spiritual called if It Had Not Been For Jesus, and some of the lyrics owe something to a similarly titled minstrel song.
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Hudie Ledbetter
Irene, good night Good night, Irene Good night, Irene I get you in my dream Stop, RA Stop. Yeah.
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Andrew Hickey
While Lomax had no intention of helping Leadbetter get free of the prison, he did have other intentions. As he wrote to his fiance, he sung us one song, which I shall copyright as soon as I get to Washington, and tried to mark it in sheet music form. He actually didn't get around to copywriting it for three years, but to this day, the songwriting credit for Goodnight, Irene, a song that is still in copyright, reads words and music by John A. Lomax and Hudie Ledbetter. Over the next year, the Lomaxes got some better recording equipment, but found themselves frustrated by the way that the black people they approached everywhere except prisons, seemed not to be particularly interested in singing for two educated white Southern men with recording equipment. Why, some of them even seemed to want paying, and some of them wanted to sing the songs they wanted to sing rather than the ones that the Lomaxers wanted them to sing. As they wrote in a petulant letter to a funding body, the Negro in the south is the target for such complex influences that it is hard to find genuine folk singing. His educational leaders broadening his concepts and thus making him ashamed or self conscious of his own art. His religious leaders turning away from revival songs, spirituals and informal church services, to hymns and formal church modes, ranting against any song that has to do with secular subjects. Prosperous members of the community, bolstered by the church and the schools, sneering at the naivete of the folk songs and unconsciously throwing the weight of their influence in the balance against anything not patterned after white bourgeois culture. The radio with its flood of jazz created in tea rooms for the benefit of city dwelling whites. All these things are killing the best and most genuine Negro folk songs. What they needed, they decided, was a black person to come with them and demonstrate the kind of things they wanted. Someone who could sing and play himself and Someone who would fit in the poorest black areas and someone who would ideally be totally reliant on the Lomaxes. What they needed was Hudie Ledbetter. A year after their initial recording of Ledbetter, they returned to Angola, where Ledbetter had spent a frustrating year caught in a Kafkaesque web of bureaucracy, trying to get the governor to sign his parole letter with letters directed to the wrong people, letters not answering the questions, telling him to do things he'd already done, and all the rest of the nonsense that anyone who has ever tried to deal with a bureaucracy that has control over their lives would find very familiar. By July 1934, though, it seemed likely that Ledbetter would be getting out soon anyway, whether the governor signed the papers or not. With no previous convictions on his record, because his Texas conviction had been pardoned, he would be considered for letting out for good behaviour at the beginning of August. However, he had no reason to think that this would go through, given his previous experiences. So while he was waiting to be considered for early release, he decided that while the Lomaxes were there, he might as well also try the same thing that had worked with the Governor of Texas and got the Lomaxes to record a plea to the Governor of Louisiana. John Lomax left a recording of that song with the governor's office, though there's no evidence that Governor Allen ever actually listened to it. And Lomax would always claim that this led to Ledbetter being pardoned and would tell Ledbetter that himself. Ledbetter knew better. He was let out for good behaviour, and if he was convicted of another crime, which would get him sent back to Angola, he would have to serve the remaining five years of his sentence before whatever new sentence he got for his new conviction. But still, he was finally out of prison. Lomax would claim responsibility for Leadbetter's release, partly as a way of making Ledbetter seem obliged to him. And Ledbetter went along with this because Lomax promised him a job and he needed one. Lomax would always pretend later that Ledbetter, after being released, had tracked him down and come begging for work. But the two had actually corresponded before Ledbetter's release, with Lomax eager to get Ledbetter working for him. In fact, the job that Lomax had offered was not quite what Ledbetter might have hoped. Alan Lomax had taken ill, and what John Lomax needed was someone to perform all the tasks that his teenage son had been performing for him unpaid. Ledbetter would drive the car work the recording equipment and talk to the people whose songs Lomax was collecting and would do so for no pay other than his expenses. Lomax would give him a per diem for food and lodgings, but no actual wages. As they were travelling around the segregated south, the two would not stay together at night. Sometimes this would be to Ledbetter's advantage. He would get to play music in the black areas in the evenings and pick up some extra money. But other times it would decidedly not be. When they went to prisons, for example, to record the prisoners, Lomax would get to stay in the prison administrators homes where he would be waited on by black prisoners. Ledbetter, on the other hand, would have to stay in the prison itself as well as doing all the stuff that Alan had to do for his father. Ledbetter also worked as Lomax's servant, still unpaid. Lomax wrote to his newly married second wife. I found my first experience with a body servant pleasant. Each morning he waked me and handed me a cup of hot coffee, made ready my bath laid out my clothes allowed no hotel porter to touch my shoes or valises and as we started our daily drive opened for me the door of a freshly cleaned car. Leadbetter did get something out of the Work, though. He was promised that Lomax would get him an audience for his music. And the work also introduced him to other songs that became part of his repertoire, like the work song Rock Island Line, which Ledbetter and Lomax recorded. A group of convicts led by one Kelly Pace singing.
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Hudie Ledbetter
Will Jesus die to save me in all of my sin.
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Andrew Hickey
However, Ledbetter was soon getting sick of being an unpaid servant, going back to the prisons he'd only recently been let out of and being strung along with promises that he would eventually get to play his music for paying audiences in the North. Lomax wrote to his wife not long after the two men started working together, saying, if I better understood the nature of a Negro, I could perhaps do something with him to the end that I could sell his product, but he is too much of a child to wait. He also wrote to Oliver Strunk, the head of the music division at the Library of Congress and son of William Strunk of Strunk and white fame, about what he referred to as his convict n word, except he used the word saying I find him hard to handle. His freedom and apparent prosperity came too suddenly for him and he's misinterpreted kindness and consideration. Lomax started including Ledbetter in his lectures. Lomax would talk about folk music and then Ledbetter would give a performance. Lomax would get paid for his talk and Ledbetter would be allowed to pass a hat around for tips for his performance, tips which he would then have to share with Lomax. Lomax also started to do things like going off without Ledbetter one day, leaving him with no food money for the day, and then punishing Leadbetter when he complained about this, deciding that instead of giving him his money for all the day's food in one go, he would only give her enough for each meal. At meal times, Leadbetter started a campaign of malicious compliance, deciding to follow Lomax's instructions precisely, even driving through a red light on Lomax's orders, until Lomax lost his temper. With Al and Lomax joining them, they headed north and started performing for organisations like the Modern Language association in Philadelphia. Lomax insisted on promoting the performer as Leadbelly, even though he always referred to himself by his given name. And while Ledbetter believed that as a performer he should dress smartly in a suit and bow tie, neatly dressed, Lomax made him perform in his prison uniform, seeing him as a specimen, not an artist. Lomax was, though, interested in promoting his discovery in his own way. After arriving in New York, he gave an interview to the Herald Tribune for an article. Lomax arrives with Leadbelly, Negro minstrel, sweet singer of the swamplands, here to do a few tunes between homicides. The article said the Negro minstrel bears an undying affection which led him on September 1 to pledge them his life and services till death should part them. He has followed them everywhere as chauffeur, handyman and ever ready musician, and has asked for nothing but the privilege to continue. But Lomax was worried Ledbetter was starting to enjoy New York and to hang out with other musicians. He had, for example, been to see Cab Calloway perform and had been paying attention to Calloway's performances.
- [40:51]
Hudie Ledbetter
Have you ever met that funny reefer man? Have you ever met that funny reefer man? If he says he swam to China Salute South Carolina Then you know you're talking to that reefer man have you ever met funny reefer man? Have you ever met funny reefer man? If he says he walks the ocean anytime he takes notion.
- [41:20]
Andrew Hickey
Indeed, Ledbetter was starting to talk about maybe singing with Calloway's band. And Lomax was very aware that the publicity that Ledbetter was getting might lead him to want to, for example, get paid or work for someone other than Lomax. He quickly had a management contract drawn up. And it's notable that while most of the contract is typed, the length of the contract and Lomax's percentage were written in afterwards in Lomax's handwriting and not initialed by Ledbetter. The contract, which tied Ledbetter to Lomax for five years, said that all money would be paid to Lomax, who would deduct expenses off the top and then keep 50% of what was left, giving Leadbetter the rest. In return for this, Ledbetter and his new wife would move in with John and Alan Lomax and work as their unpaid servants while the Lomaxes worked on a book about Ledbetter and his music. They moved to a rented house in Wilton, Connecticut, close enough to New York that Lomax could get Ledbetter to theatres and recording studios, but far enough away that Ledbetter wouldn't be tempted to go out and spend time with other musicians and talk about contracts. Lomax got Ledbetter a contract with arc, a record label that within a couple of years would rebrand as Columbia Art. Satherly, who produced records for Gene Autry, the Carter Family, Big Bill Brunsey, Bob Wills, Memphis Minnie, Roy Acuff and many other of the most important country and blues artists of the 30s and 40s, was put in charge of Leadbetter's recordings. But while Leadbetter's repertoire covered hundreds of songs in styles ranging from cowboy songs to children's party songs, Southerly only wanted Ledbetter to perform blues. Shortly after these recording sessions, Lomax and Ledbetter portrayed themselves in a film, a five minute section of the March of Time newsreel, recreating their meeting and subsequent business relationship, at least in the way that Lomax always described it. It's truly awful to watch. With Ledbetter playing a pathetic caricature of the grateful black servant, and with Lomax at one point using a word that is clearly intended in the script to be Negro, but which he pronounces as if it's spelt N I G R A. Lomax is portrayed as the hero of the story, and you can get an idea of it from this brief clip.
- [43:55]
Hudie Ledbetter
Boss, here I is. Nerd. Brother, what are you doing here? Well, you started on my way, boss. I came here to be your man. I got to work with you the rest of my life. You got me out of that, Lou. Nine or ten. You can't work for me. You're a mean boy. You came to, man, please don't talk that way, boy. Have you got a pistol? No, I Got a knife? Let me see it. What do you do with that thing? I use it on somebody body you b. Please, boss, take me with you. You never have to tie your sho anymore. If you let me long to keep you with all right, L belly I try you. Thank you, sir. Paul said I died y'all over the United States and I sang all songs for you. You be my big boss and I'll be your man. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. John Lomax does Take the Louisiana.
- [44:49]
Andrew Hickey
Meanwhile, while Lomax, who got paid for the script for that, was getting Ledbetter to perform in films and make records, he still had other demands. He wrote in a letter about Leadbetter, at times his vanity becomes annoying, but on the whole, I guess I shouldn't complain. He still looks after my shoes, helps me everywhere with my coat. Alan 2 helps Martha with the homemaking, does the washing, presses my suits, etc. Etc. And our night requirement calls for my slippers, pyjamas and dressing gown to be hanging before the fire and a hot water bottle in my head an hour ahead of the time I lie down. But of course, just because Lomax had both Hudie and Martha Ledbetter as unpaid servants, anne was getting 50% of Hudie's income from passing her hat around at performances where Lomax got an actual fee didn't mean he felt he was being fairly compensated for tolerating the man he described as an unbelievable combination of a brute, a pest, a shuffling servant and a supreme egomaniac. A liar incarnate, a hypocrite, a willing worker. He does all our washing, builds the fires, keeps them going, pumps and brings in all the water. He is totally devoid of any sense of gratitude. Lomax was in fact so annoyed by Ledbetter's ingratitude at all the things Lomax was allowing Leadbetter to do for him that he rewrote their contract the same week as that film appearance. Now Lomax would get two thirds of Ledbetter's performance income after what expenses Lomax decided to take off. Meanwhile, the Lomaxes were writing their book, which became the definitive source for information on Ledbetter's life for many decades. The book was a combination of songs of Ledbetter's, copyrighted as by him and the Lomaxes, of course, and biographical essays, including a 26 page section purporting to be in Leadbetter's own words. In fact, this long section, written in white imitation of black dialect and very different from any recording of Ledbetter actually speaking was written by the Lomaxers based on their memories of what Ledbetter had told them, a mixture of stuff they made up, stuff he made up for reasons of his own, like claims that the men he was imprisoned for attacking were black. When his conviction for attempted murder was for a white man. He did not want to get known as someone who had attacked white men because that could easily lead to him being lynched in 1930s America and the occasional grain of truth more or less there by accident. To give some example of the general tone of the book, the opening section, including the biographical material, has the title the Worldly N Word, except the Lomaxers use the actual word with a footnote that that word is almost universal among Negro labourers in the Southern states. Lead Belly invariably thus referred to himself and other blacks. It is notable that there is no recording of Leadbetter using that word about himself or any other black people, except in songs like the Bourgeois Blues, where he puts it in the mouth of white racists. And he never uses the word in any letters or telegrams we have from him. It is, however, used almost constantly in John Lomax's writings. Leadbetter later wrote in a letter, there is a book about my life and I don't think nothing of that book. And that Lomax did not write nothing like I told him, and specifically also complained about the use of the N word. Yet this book by the Lomaxes has been taken by almost every researcher up to the present day as being a more or less accurate account of Ledbetter's life and has been the basis of pretty much everything that has been said about Ledbetter up until the publication of Sheila Cohen Bernard's book last year. Ledbetter and Lomax toured together while Lomax was working on the book. But Lomax's attitude to Ledbetter got ever more bizarre and paranoid. One day, Ledbetter asked in the morning to borrow the car for a few hours, as they didn't have any plans until the evening's performance. When Ledbetter had not returned by noon, Lomax called the police on him, reporting the car as missing with a Negro driver. Ledbetter turned up on time for the evening performance, of course. Eventually, in March 1935, only a few months after the two men had started working together, Ledbetter and Lomax had had enough of each other and parted ways of the $1,550 that Ledbetter had earned for his music during those few months, a significant amount in 1930s dollars. Lomax's contract meant that after expenses and Lomax's share, Ledbetter was only due $300, with Lomax getting the rest. When the two men parted in March, Lomax gave Ledbetter half of his $300 in cash with the other 150 as cheques. When Ledbetter went to cash them, he discovered that the cheques were postdated to May, June and July. The Ledbetter sent a telegram to Lomax saying we have cheques postdated. Must have money on same answer by Western Union. What to do? Hudie and Martha Ledbetter. Lomax, who knew that Ledbetter had been let out for good behaviour, but if he was convicted of another crime, would have to serve the more than five years remaining on his previous sentence as well as whatever new sentence he received, wrote to Sheriff Tom Hughes, the racist sheriff of Shreveport, whom Ledbetter had memorialised in one of his songs.
- [49:41]
Hudie Ledbetter
Follow me down by Mr. Tom my mama told me my little sister too Went on final Street Son is gonna beat her dead.
- [50:05]
Andrew Hickey
Lomax claimed that Leadbetters telegram politely asking for the money he was owed rather than the illegal post dated cheques was a threat against Lomax's life. Luckily for Leadbetter, Hughes actually took his side against Lomax, sort of, and insisted that Lomax pay up the $150 he owed. But he also made the Leadbetters leave Shreveport, deciding that they were troublemakers. Lomax meanwhile, was unfazed. He had, in his opinion, made Leadbelly and now Ironhead was out of prison, he could just continue with him instead. The fact that you had almost certainly heard of Lead Belly long before this podcast and have almost certainly not heard of Ironhead should tell you how well that went. MacMullen, the Lomax's publishers eventually decided that the contract Lomax had with Ledbetter wasn't good enough for the book. And Ledbetter, who wanted to be let out of his unfair contract anyway, was eventually paid $250 to sign over all his copyrights on the 48 songs in the book in return for the end of his contract with Lomax. Later he realised that this meant that Ledbetter himself couldn't perform the songs he'd written without the permission of Lomax's publisher. Ledbetter eventually managed to get the rights to perform his own songs, though not the copyrights for them, back a couple of years later in return for indemnifying John and Alan Lomax against any claims against them for anything relating to their book about him or anything else ever by November 16, 1937. Hudie Ledbetter was once again free to sing his own songs, though he would never own them again.
- [51:34]
Hudie Ledbetter
When I was a little baby my mother rocked me in the cradle and I'm old country at home When I was a little baby my mother would drop me in the cradle and lumber Old cotton feel at home oh, when them cotton bowls get rotten you and I got you baby who needs cotton in them? Old cotton feels back home brother only one thing more that's gonna warm you a summer's day I catch California it's gonna be them cotton fields back home.
- [52:26]
Andrew Hickey
When we left the Beach Boys, Charles Manson had just turned up at Dennis Wilson's house. At the time, Dennis was the perfect target for someone like Manson. He was going through an immensely difficult time, both professionally. The Beach Boys record sales in the US had dropped off a cliff, even though they were as big as ever, or even bigger in Europe. And personally, as he was just going through a divorce from his first wife, he was seeking spiritual answers. It was him who had suggested seeking out the Maharishi and trying to become more creative himself. He was, though still popular and connected with the music industry at large, the co owner of Brother Records, which at this point still looked like it might become a proper record label. Very rich, almost pathologically generous, and someone who had a vast appetite for both sex and drugs, both of which Manson's family offered in abundance. One of the first things Manson did to his new female recruits was to break down any resistance they might have to being sexually available to him or to anyone he told them to be with. And Manson's ideas at this time mostly presented as a mixture of the same kind of spirituality the Maharishi was selling, with chunks of Scientology and self help material bound up in it, along with chunks of hippie free love and acid philosophy, appealed to Dennis. Most of Manson's ideas weren't very coherent, but that didn't really matter that much to Dennis Wilson, who had never been one to prioritise thinking over feeling. A year later, in an interview with Britain's Rave magazine, he would. I've only ever read three books, Black Beauty, the Prophet and Stranger in a Strange Land. Given the influence that Stranger in a Strange Land had on Manson and how apparently fresh it was in Wilson's mind in that interview in which he talked about how someone should make a film of it with Paul McCartney in the lead role, it would make sense that he read it at Manson's suggestion. Either way, Dennis Wilson was not a particularly systemic thinker. Or particularly well educated. But he was eager for some kind of spiritual awakening. And it was that, as well as sex and drugs, that Manson offered. And in return, Dennis offered Manson a connection to the rock stardom he was sure would soon be his. It is very difficult to get any kind of accurate timeline for what followed. For very obvious reasons in later years, Wilson did not want to talk about his association with Manson, and everyone around him seems to have downplayed the length of time the two were involved with each other, mostly in order to play down their own involvements too. The official story has Manson and his family living in Wilson's house for a few months, probably from April 1968, which is when Wilson seems to have encountered Manson for the first time. According to that story, Wilson moved out of the house in August because by that point he was starting to get creeped out by Manson and didn't want to be the one to evict him. So he moved in with his friend Greg Jacobson and let Manson and the family stay in his mansion until Wilson's landlord evicted them. If that was the case, then, given that the Beach Boys were on tour for most of April, part of May, the first half of July, and almost all of August, then Wilson's association with Manson would have lasted a few non contiguous weeks and would barely be worth a footnote. But there are interviews with Wilson published at the time from the Beach Boys European tour in summer 1969, a full year after he supposedly started to try to distance himself from Manson, in which he talks enthusiastically about his friendship with Manson. But either way, in summer 1968, Wilson was very enthusiastically introducing Manson to the whole of the music world as both his guru and as a new discovery. For example, that summer Alex Chilton of the Box Tops came to stay with Wilson for a short time. The Box Tops were one of the bands who would regularly support the Beach Boys in this period and had recently had a hit single with the Letter, which the Beach Boys also covered in their Hawaii shows in 1967.
- [56:12]
Hudie Ledbetter
Give me a ticket for an aeroplane Ain't got time to take a fast train Lonely days ago I'm going home My baby just wrote me a letter I don't care how much money I gotta spend Got to get back to my baby again Lonely days are gone.
- [56:38]
Andrew Hickey
Chilton later described the Occasionally things got a little uncomfortable. One day I was going to the store and some of the girls heard about it and showed up with a long list of groceries for me to buy. So it's like, okay, I've got some money and hey, this is California. I guess it's cool. I'll buy the groceries. And the girls meet me in the driveway and look through the bags and they go, oh, you forgot the milk. And they're like staring at me very intently. So I'm going, gee, I'm sorry. Forgot the milk, huh? Oh boy. So they go in the house and I'm kind of ambling my way round to the door and by the time I get there, two of them are standing in the doorway blocking my way. And they say, really intense, look. Charlie says, go get the milk. Can you believe that? So I'm like, Charlie, which one is he again? Oh, yeah, a little guy, plays guitar. Yeah, I got him. So he wants me to go get the milk. Uh huh. Another star who was introduced to Manson was Neil Young, who at the time was in Buffalo Springfield, who, like the Box Tops, were a frequent support act for the beach boys in early 1968. As we'll hear in a future episode, Young was about to embark on a solo career and there even seems to have been some brief suggestion that he might sign to Brother Records. There's at least one live recording of him from early in his solo career which seems to have him introduced as Brother recording artist. Manson and Young were something of a mutual admiration society for a little while, and Young would later be the only rock star Manson would say anything good about, remembering that Young had given him a motorbike. And unlike almost all of his associates, Young would not try to disassociate himself from Manson, saying later he seemed a little uptight, a little too intense. Frustrated artist, spent a lot of time in jail. Frustrated songwriter, singer. Made up songs as he went along. New stuff all the time. No two songs were the same. I remember playing a little guitar while he was making up songs. Strong will, that guy. I told Mo Austin about him. Warner Bros. This guy is unbelievable. He makes the songs up as he goes along and they're all good. Never got any further than that. Never got a demo. He was an angry man, but brilliant. Wrong but stone brilliant. He sounds like Dylan when he talks. He's like one of the main movers and shakers of time when you look back at Jesus and all those people. Charlie was like that, but he was kind of skewed. You can tell by reading his words. He's real smart. He's very deceptive, though. Tricky. Confuses you. Young would later write Revolution Blues about Manson, a song which, according to Young, his bandmates in Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young refused to play live because they didn't want to be associated with Manson, though David Crosby plays guitar on the studio recording, which also features Rick Danko and Levon Helm of the band.
- [59:25]
Hudie Ledbetter
Trailer at the edge of town. You never see us cause we don't come around we got 25 rifles just to keep the population down.
- [59:43]
Andrew Hickey
Manson was delighted with all this interest from luminaries of the music business, though he had little time for most of the music they made, other than his own music. Manson only really enjoyed the music of the Beatles, with whom he was increasingly obsessed, and the Moody Blues. But he was determined to become a rock star himself, and surely these famous musicians would help him in that aim. In particular, Manson was very eager to work with Wilson's friend Terry Melcher, because Melcher had a connection to the actual Beatles. When the Beatles set up Apple, they didn't set the organisation up all at once. Before setting up the record label, they'd set up a publishing company, but that publishing company had still scouted for and recorded artists, which it had then got signed to other labels. One of the first bands to be discovered by Apple was a group named Grapefruit, given their name by John Lennon after Yoko Ono's book of the same name. Grapefruit were led by George Alexander, a stage name for Alexander Young, whose younger brother George Young was the main songwriter for the Easy Beats, and whose even younger brothers, Angus and Malcolm would later go on to form acdc, while the other three members of the group were former members of Tony Rivers and the Castaways, a Beach Boys soundalike group that had released a few unsuccessful singles. As Grape Group were only signed to a publishing and management contract with Apple, they'd had to be placed with another record label. In the uk they'd been signed to RCA Records, but in the us they were signed to a new label, Equinox, that Terry Melcher was starting up. Equinox would only release a handful of things in 1967 and 68, because Melcher was about to have his own life completely derailed, though it would later be revived in the mid-70s, with Bruce Johnston partnering with Melcher. But in early 1968, Equinox seemed to have a strong connection with Apple, and Melcher produced Grapefruit's records, including their UK top 20 hit Dear Delilah.
- [61:40]
Hudie Ledbetter
That I can see it's hard to realize and harder to see and harder still when someone tells you she wanted someone else that I couldn't be.
- [62:03]
Andrew Hickey
Grapefruit's follow up Single Elevator. Apparently he even had a promo film directed by Paul McCartney. Though the film doesn't seem to have ever been released, Manson became convinced that Terry Melcher, a man who was actually working with the Beatles, would be his key to Beatle levels of success. And at the time, Melcher was very close to Wilson. Indeed, he, Wilson and Greg Jacobson, another close friend of Wilson's who would later become his songwriting collaborator, hung out together all the time and called themselves the Golden Penetrators because of their informal competition to see who could sleep with the most women. Melcher also apparently, at least at first, became equally interested in Manson. But Manson's main hope of getting a record deal was with the Beach Boys, who were working on the album 2020 when Manson joined their circle. Though the sessions in late May and early June, and indeed throughout 1968, were largely aimless and unfocused, at one point they even recorded the Wilson Brothers Mother Audrey singing the old standard, Is It True what they say About Dixie? As made famous by the blackface performer Al Jolson, Is It True what they say About Dixie?
- [63:16]
Hudie Ledbetter
Does the sun really shine all the time? Do the sweet magnolias blossom round everybody's door? Do the folks keep eating possum til they can eat?
- [63:40]
Andrew Hickey
In a three week series of sessions they cut a track called We're Together Again, which didn't get released until it came out as a bonus track on a CD reissue in the 90s. A novelty song called Loop de Loop, Flip Flop, Flying in An Airplane, which finally got finished in 1998. The endless unfinished versions of Old man river we talked about in part one of this miniseries. The single Do It Again, which we also talked about, and a song that sums up Brian Wilson's attitude at the time I Went to Sleep, which actually made it to the album.
- [64:17]
Hudie Ledbetter
Went on. They watered the lawn that went to sleep. 10:30, I turned my radio on, Some group was playing a musical song. It wasn't too long and I was.
- [64:43]
Andrew Hickey
Dennis Wilson was also working on a song which would also make the 2020 album, and that one also seemed to sum up his attitude at that time and at all times. While Mike Love sang lead on that, there's no doubt that it was a pure expression of its composer's deepest feelings, not least because if you listen to the full track, the ending, which I'm not going to excerpt here because I want to keep a clean rating, is a verite recording of Wilson having sex with a woman in the studio. Apparently he did multiple takes. That wasn't the only track that Dennis Wilson recorded during these sessions, though. There's Another one titled well youl Know I Knew, which was unfinished and didn't get a release until a digital only archival release in 2018, and which could very easily have been the work of his good friend Neil Young.
- [66:03]
Hudie Ledbetter
Well, I know the wind is my hand Is my hand Let it blow Let it blow.
- [66:30]
Andrew Hickey
The guitarist on that track, by some accounts, is Charles Manson, and the tape on which it was recorded apparently includes a take of Manson recording Look at yout Game Girl, a different version of the song from the one that has since been released. Indeed, it seems that Manson recorded a whole album of unreleased material in Brian Wilson's home studio, where the Beach Boys were doing most of their own recording, and with the involvement of not just Dennis, but according to some sources, Brian and Carl Wilson too. That material has never been released and will never be released for fairly obvious reasons. There's also been some suggestion that Manson may have co written that song, though we'll never know for sure. There was apparently a deal between Manson and Wilson that Wilson would buy out Manson's share of two songs that they co wrote. There's been a lot of speculation and some outright statements of fact, though based on what evidence, I'm unsure that one of the two songs Manson and Wilson co wrote was Be With Me, a song on 2020 that's credited solely to Wilson. With both these songs, Manson apparently wanted money but not credit, and I've seen various different claims as to why this is, ranging from him not wanting to be associated with the uncool Beach Boys to just being more interested in getting the money than the credit. One interesting thing that might point to Be With Me being the co written song. On the released version of the song, Wilson sings a line A new child is born, the mother is still waiting. But on the demo I couldn't swear to it, but it sounds to me like he might be singing A moon child is born, which might point to some of the influences Manson had picked up, not just from Scientology, but from organisations like the Church of Satan and the Process Church, both of whom were influenced by Crowley and both of whom he'd spent some time around after leaving prison. I'm genuinely unsure myself what I'm hearing here and I could be very wrong, so see what you think.
- [68:19]
Hudie Ledbetter
Child is born, mother's still waiting, Father's over there anticipating Won't you be with me it can set you free Come with me.
- [68:49]
Andrew Hickey
By this point, Dennis was fully involved with the Manson family, so much so that he would in the 1970s, while intoxicated and breaking his general Silence on the matter. Tell one journalist that he and Manson had started the family together, rather than Manson doing it on his own. And he was even doing things like letting them have the use of his cars. So much so that Dennis, who had originally got to know the family, picking them up, hitchhiking, was now hitching lifts himself because they were driving his Rolls Royce and Ferrari and damaging them. And one of the people who picked him up was one Charles Watson, nicknamed Tex. Dennis took Watson back to his house and as Watson later said, I wanted the kind of love they talked about in the songs. The kind of love that didn't ask you to be anything, didn't judge what you were, didn't set up any rules or regulations. The kind of love that just accepted you, let you be yourself, do your own thing, whatever. It was. The kind of love I seemed to be feeling right now, sitting around this coffee table, getting zonked on some of the best hash I'd ever had with a rock star and a fat old hippie and the little guy with the guitar who just kept singing softly, smiling to himself. It occurred to me that all the love in the room was coming from him, from his music. Tex Watson was soon also part of the Manson family. Dennis Wilson seems to have started to somewhat distance himself from the Manson family around the end of the summer of 1968, or at least that's the way the story is generally told, as it's normally told. He and the Beach Boys management got sick of the cost of dealing with Manson, but Dennis was scared of him. So Dennis moved out of his house, which Manson then ransacked, stealing some of his gold records into a room in Greg Jacobsen's home, leaving Manson to get evicted by Dennis. Landlords and Manson, after getting evicted, looked around for somewhere else to live before settling on Spa and Ranch. This was a small ranch near Chatsworth, roughly 20 miles from LA and which was a fake frontier town which had been purpose built for shooting Western films. There were many of these built in the 20s through 50s, when that genre dominated the cinema the way superhero films do now. But in the 60s, the Western film had largely died out for a while. In the early 60s, there had at least been TV Westerns like Gunsmoke and Bonanza. But by the late 60s, those were also falling out of fashion and the ranch was largely disused. It was owned by an elderly, almost blind man named George Spahn, who was having difficulty with the basic upkeep of the ranch. And Manson got some of the girls to approach him and offer their help. In looking after both the ranch and his day to day living in return for them and their friends being allowed to stay there. Spahn eagerly agreed. The time at Spahn Ranch has often been portrayed as happening after Dennis Wilson started to distance himself from Manson. But there's evidence that that is far from the case. In July 1969, nearly a year later, Wilson was interviewed by Record Mirror and spoke about Spahn Ranch as if he were not only resident there himself, but as if the family was as much his as Manson's. Without mentioning Manson's name, he said, and I'm going to read out a fair chunk here. The house was in Pacific Palisades, but there were hordes of people with binoculars and the police got the idea that it was an orgy and drug scene. We were on that to start with, but we soon got wise. Too many people, mostly girls, got onto it and we had to move. Now we have an old movie lot owned by a blind man who lets us run the place. We try to make it productive by helping anyone we can who looks like they need it. In the beginning, there were just a few girls living there besides myself and the other guys. We'd make love and discuss things while contributing to one purpose, to help others. The girls would go out on the streets and beg money from those that looked like they could afford it, then bring it home. I'd say, go out and don't come back until you have $5. Later I might say, do you love me? They might say, yes, and I'd say, then go out and bring back another woman. Soon there were large numbers living there. We'd all combine efforts as if we were all writing a poem. We'd get the good and the bad from everybody until the end product was fantastic. I gave all I had to bring this about. We would make clothes for those who needed them or give the money to charity. We had complete freedom. We might decide to do all our talking by singing to one another for a day. All of us gave what we had and had a good time. There is so much in the power of love. If all you knew about the family was that interview, you'd think it was the Wilson family rather than the Manson family. But while all this was going on, of course, the Beach Boys were continuing to work on their new album and they were starting to expand their stage lineup for their tours in 1968. They brought in three additional musicians to augment them on stage. There was a keyboard player named Doug Dragon who had played with his two brothers in a surf band. Appropriately called the Dragons. His brother Davil would soon replace him in the band. Davil's penchant for wearing a sailor's hat led to him being given the nickname Captain Keyboards by Mike Love, and he would later go on to fame as half of the Captain and Tenille. Another former member of the Dragons was Ed Carter, a friend of Bruce Johnston's who had gone on to join a blues rock band called the New Nadir, who had been signed to Witch Season Productions in the UK by Joe Boyd, but whose one album had not yet been released and wouldn't be a success when it was.
- [74:24]
Hudie Ledbetter
I don't mind that at all concerning what you do I don't mind that at all it's all up to you you can have your freedom now if that's how it's gotta be I don't mind not at all but if you ever want to know how to reach me.
- [74:55]
Andrew Hickey
The new Nadia's bass player, Gary Thayne, was from New Zealand and went on to join the Keith Hartley Band and Uriah Heep before dying tragically young in 1975 of a heroin overdose. The other two members, guitarist Ed Carter and drummer Mike Kowalski, joined the Beach Boys touring band and would remain with it off and on until 1996 in Carter's case and 2007 in Kowalski's. For the first period of time with the group, Kowalski was splitting his time between the Beach Boys and the Johnny Otis Show. He was one of the few white musicians ever to play in Otis Band and he played on several tracks on Otis son Suggie Otis classic album Freedom Flight.
- [75:45]
Hudie Ledbetter
Me and My Woman but don't get along but one day at a time One day we're fussing and fighting and the next day we're doing fine.
- [76:05]
Andrew Hickey
Through the connection with Joe Boyd, Kowalski would also play on several classic British folk rock albums, like Mike Heron's Smiling Men with Bad Reputations, John and Beverly Martin's the Road to Ruin and Nick Drake's Brighter later, on which Carter also played bass on one track.
- [76:37]
Hudie Ledbetter
I could have been a sailor could have been a cook A real life lover could have been a book I could have been a signboard.
- [76:56]
Andrew Hickey
In the touring band, Carter would mostly play bass, allowing Bruce Johnston, who had never been comfortable with the instrument, to play keyboards instead, while Kowalski would play percussion parts. Most of the Beach Boys records had both a drum part and a separate percussion part, as Brian Wilson never particularly liked the sound of cymbals and so would have the high frequency percussion parts provided by tambourines or sleigh Bells or similar. Instead, Kowalski would also move over to the drum kit on occasion, though, when Dennis would come to the front to sing something that would happen more often over the next few years, as the various group members started to come out of Brian Wilson's shadow and write, produce and sing lead on their own tracks more. Dennis had already started this on the previous album, as we saw in the last episode, but on 2020 every member of the band had a chance to shine on their own, with the exception of MyClove, unless you count him having the idea for do it again. Only five of the album's 12 tracks were Brian Wilson songs, and of those only two were new contributions to the Beach Boys, Do It Again and I Went To Sleep. The other three were Time To Get Alone, the song he'd written and produced for the band that would become Three Dog Night and two previously unreleased tracks from the Smile sessions, which Carl dug out of the vaults and completed Our Prayer and Cabanessence. Instead, the other band members spread their wings a little. Carl Wilson produced and sang lead on what became the first Beach Boys single with no Brian Wilson involvement at all, a version of the Ronettes flop single I Can Hear Music, written by Jeff Barry, Ellie Greenwich and Phil Spector around the same time they wrote River Deep, Mountain High. Carl's version showed that he'd been studying his brother's style very well, and it made number 24 on the chart, becoming their last US top 40 hit for nearly a decade.
- [78:41]
Hudie Ledbetter
The music all the time now, baby I hear the music all the time.
- [79:10]
Andrew Hickey
As was becoming routine at this point, the track did better in the rest of the world than in the US, making the top 10 in the UK and in much of Europe. It's also notable that other than some percussion overdubs by Kowalski, the track was otherwise played entirely by the Beach Boys, again showing that they were actually capable of approximating the Wall of Sound style that Brian had often used the Wrecking Crew for. Some Wrecking Crew members did, though, play on Al Jardine showcase a version of Hudie Ledbetter's Cotton Fields. It's clearly a song that meant a lot to Jardine in an interview with Uncut in 2022, where he talks about important records that have shaped his career. He mentions Ledbetter's original version of the song as being a favourite, along with the Kingston Trio's version of the John B. Sales Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue and Frankie Lyman and the teenager's why Did Fools Fall in Love and talks about how much he enjoys Ledbetter's 12 string guitar playing and had loved the track from first encountering it in the 50s as a folkie. That said, the version of Cotton Fields that the Beach Boys did seems to owe at least as much to another of the greats of Southern California music, Buck Owens, the king of the Bakersfield sound, who recorded a very similar arrangement on his hit 1963 album on the Bandstand.
- [80:29]
Hudie Ledbetter
In those old cotton fields back home When I was a little bitty baby My mama would rock me in my cradle in those old cotton fields back home. Oh, when those cotton balls get rotten, you can't pick very much cotton end of all.
- [80:55]
Andrew Hickey
The version of Cotton Fields that Jardine came up with seems to have been based around Owens arrangement, but with additional lyrics by Jardine, who didn't give himself credit for them, about hitchhiking after getting a nail in his tyre. Jardine got Brian Wilson to co produce it with him and both men play on the track playing banjo and keyboards, though most of the more complex banjo parts seem to be by Wrecking Crew player Al Vescovo with Hal Blaine and Lyle Vitz of the Wrecking Crew and Ed Carter. I've seen some claims that Brian and Al are actually the only vocalists on this track as well, and I definitely do hear multiple owls, but I think I can hear both Carl and Bruce in the backing vocal stack at points.
- [81:45]
Hudie Ledbetter
Cotton Fields back home it was back in Louisiana, but just about a mile from the Texas cotton fields.
- [82:03]
Andrew Hickey
But it shows how much the dynamics of the band had changed in just two years that even though Brian Wilson had co produced that track and it had been released on the 2020 album, Al Jardine was unhappy with the recording and decided he could do better than Brian. A little over a year after recording that version, Jardine took the group back into the studio to re record it, this time with the band themselves playing the basic backing track with Carter on bass, percussion by Wrecking Crew percussionist Frank Capp and pedal steel by the wonderful Orville Red Rhodes, the steel player in Michael Nesmith's band at the time. Jardine's production was released as a non album single and did nothing on the US charts but made number five in the UK and number one in many other countries. Bruce Johnston's contributions to the album were less successful, at least commercially. His major artistic contribution to the record was an instrumental titled the Nearest Faraway Place, which shows the first signs of the schmaltzy side of Johnston that would later lead to his most successful song. When Barry Manilow had a hit with his I write the songs. While it is a little over saccharine for my personal tastes and seems closer to the kind of music that Murray Wilson was writing than it does to the music of the other Beach Boys, the track has become something of a fan favourite and I have to say that when I'm in the right mood, it can be quite pleasant. Johnston's other contribution to the album was a track he had originally been working on as a solo side project, a version of the old Ursul Hickey rockabilly song Bluebirds over the Mountain. This song has come up in previous episodes of the podcast and again I should emphasise that Ursul Hickey is, as far as I'm aware, no relation. The original had been a minor hit and had been a big influence on Burt Burns.
- [84:52]
Hudie Ledbetter
Bluebirds over the mountain Seagulls over the sea Bluebirds over the mountain Bring my baby to me A boy and girl they fell in love each it was like heaven above she looked into her eyes blue.
- [85:18]
Andrew Hickey
But the version Johnston initially produced, and which with Carl Wilson's co production, he turned into a Beach Boys track with a Mike Love lead vocal, is such a mix of stylistically incongruous elements that it seems like it's the result of a game of consequences. With this nursery rhyme like basic 50s pop song substantially rewritten, only the chorus and the first two lines of the first verse are kept the same, though the writing credit is left as just Hickey. Where Hickey's song has he looked into her eyes of blue she swore to him that she'd be true love Instead sings he looked into her eyes and said Ooey baby you're so good to my head. And the second verses of the two songs are totally different. That basic song then has some very plodding stiff drum work from session drummer Jim Gordon, who sounds like he's almost mocking this square music when you compare it to his work with Derek and the Dominoes and other artists. An infuriatingly repetitive riff played by Larry Nechdal on the bass and Daryl Captain keyboard's Dragon on vibraphone and marimba, a string and horn arrangement by Van McCoy, later to find fame with the Hustle and then over that, some lead guitar from Ed Carter. The new Nadir had jammed with Hendrix once when they'd been playing in London, and it's clear that Carter wanted to emulate his style.
- [86:33]
Hudie Ledbetter
Over the sea Blue birds over the mountain Bring my baby to me oh, bring my baby back I don't know why she been so long But I Know that you gone Won't bring my baby back to me.
- [87:02]
Andrew Hickey
Rather astonishingly, that was released as the second single from the forthcoming album, I have To Do It Again, but before I can hear music. Rather less astonishingly, the single, which was released on November 29, 1968, one week after the Beatles bite album came out, sank without trace in most countries, not even making the top 60 in the US. In the UK, it did do a little better, briefly making the lower reaches of the top 40, but the only place it had any real success was in the Netherlands. And of course, Dennis Wilson had three tracks on the album more than anyone except Brian. We Looked at All I Want to do, which he wrote with Stephen Kalinich, and Be With Me, on which he has a solo writing credit earlier. But there was one other song which was released as the B side of the Bluebirds over the Mountain single, and which was credited to Dennis Wilson alone, though it was in fact a collaboration.
- [88:12]
Hudie Ledbetter
I'm your kind, I'm your kind and I see.
- [88:28]
Andrew Hickey
Never learn not To Love is a song that started out with a rather different title and some different lyrics. Originally titled Cease To Exist, it was actually written by Charles Manson as a gift to the Beach Boys, or so he would later claim.
- [88:45]
Hudie Ledbetter
Pretty girl, pretty, pretty girl Cease to exist Just come and say you love me Give up your world Come on, you can't be.
- [89:13]
Andrew Hickey
Manson said of the song. They were fighting among themselves, so I wrote that song to bring them together. Submission is a gift. Bring it to your brother. Dennis has true soul, but his brothers couldn't accept it. He would go over to Brian's house and put his arms around his brother's and they would say, gee, Dennis, cut it out. You know, they could not accept it. According to at least one biography of Dennis Wilson I've read, though much of the original lyric is actually Scientology terminology. Though I've read up a fair bit on Scientology, and if it is, it's been changed to the point I don't recognise it as such. What is clear, though, is that the song is about more than just brotherly love. In Manson's version, it starts with the phrase cease to exist. For example, the song is about ego, death and giving up on the very idea of existence and submitting to the will of someone else. All lessons that Manson was very keen for his family members to learn from him. So it made Manson very unhappy when Dennis Wilson changed the lyrics, or at least so it was later claimed. The changes that were made were apparently meant to make the song seem less creepy, but if Anything. They have the opposite effect. Where Manson sings ceased to exist, Wilson sings ceased to resist, which combined with the change from Submission as a gift, Go on, give it to your brother. To submission as a gift, Give it to your lover. Makes the song seem like it's all about pressuring a woman to have sex. Though that's not completely missing from Manson's original song, with its repeated Pretty Girl lyric. Most sources say those lyrical amendments are the only changes that Wilson made to the song. But in fact, his changes are at least as radical as those that Jardine and Johnston made to the songs they brought in, although the difference is that he didn't credit Manson at all, while they didn't credit themselves. He adds a whole new section, the come in closer section.
- [91:02]
Hudie Ledbetter
To love you. Come in now Closer. Come in closer. Closer, closer. Submission is a gift Give to my.
- [91:28]
Andrew Hickey
He also changes the structure of the song drastically in other ways and tidies it up and makes it into a proper song rather than a freeform ramble, which is odd because structure was normally something that Dennis relied on others to help him with. He adds in a backing vocal chant, which also turns up in some of his other songs from this period and seems itself to actually be something that came from the Manson family originally and changes the melody at one crucial point when Manson sings and I love you.
- [91:54]
Hudie Ledbetter
Submission is a gift gone. Give it to your brother. Love and understanding is for one another I'm your kind, I'm your kind I'm your brother I never had a lesson I ever learned But I know we all get our turn and I love.
- [92:27]
Andrew Hickey
That might have been a little too close to a similar phrase in Nights in White Satin by the Moody Blues, the only band other than the Beatles who Manson rated. Manson seems to have been in the habit of unconscious plagiarism. There's another section on the record, not on Manson's demo, but which, according to Dennis Wilson's biographer Adam Webb, comes from a relaxation chant dreamed up by Charlie for the birth of his son, Ze Zo Zozi Zafra. Now closer.
- [93:26]
Hudie Ledbetter
Come in closer.
- [93:43]
Andrew Hickey
However, to my ears at least, it sounds very similar to the falsetto vocal on gt a Beach Boys sound alike hit from a few years earlier by the studio group Ronnie and the Daytona. And I can't help but wonder if Manson was thinking of that and if he maybe even believed that had been by the Beach Boys themselves. Certainly enough casual listeners believe that that by the 1990s, the group bowed to the inevitable and started performing it in their own shows. The resulting track was considered strong enough that even after it was released as the B side to the flop Bluebirds over the Mountain single, the group chose to spotlight it on what was an increasingly rare US TV appearance on the Mike Douglas show to promote their next single. I can hear music on that performance, which can be found on YouTube in a rather poor quality recording that looks like it's from an off air videotape. Dennis is up front singing the lead vocals live, while the band mime rather unconvincingly to the backing track, with Carl's miming to the drum part only bearing the slightest resemblance to what was on the record. It's very easy to see the charisma everyone talks about with Wilson, but it may just be me, or it may be the poor quality of the video making his eyes look more shadowed than they should. But there's also something sinister about his performance. Never Learn Not To Love was credited only to Dennis Wilson. As I've said, and there are many conflicting stories as to how that came to happen. Some have said that Manson asked just for a lump sum payment, not for credit, while others have said that Wilson was annoyed with Manson at the time and thought that the amount of money he and the family members had sponged off him was enough that he didn't need to give him credit. It's definitely the case that the Beach Boys were never too finicky about songwriting credits, especially when the Wilson brothers, father Murray, was running the publishing for Brian's songs. Murray Wilson seemed to take the view that his sons were the only ones who deserved credit for anything, to the extent that Mike Love, Murray's nephew, eventually had to sue in the 90s for royalties and credits on dozens of songs he co wrote. Many co writers of songs with Brian had their credits removed or downgraded, and there are stories about collaborators in the 70s occasionally having similar experiences with other members of the band. So it's entirely plausible that Dennis just removed Manson's songwriting credit. But it is also more than plausible that as I've seen suggested in multiple places, Manson himself didn't want credit for something put out by a band as unhip as the Beach Boys were at that point, and that as he disliked the band's music, he was just interested in getting paid. Either way, the song was a minor track on a minor album. 2020 did better than Friends on the charts, making number 68, though it did better elsewhere in the UK. On the back of it containing the number one hit Do It Again, it made the top five and it would turn out to be the band's last album on capitol records for 20 years. Brian Wilson didn't appear in the group photo on the COVID The band were becoming much less popular at that point, at least in North America, to the point that they were being asked questions about it while touring. Bruce replied when asked in January 1969 about their lack of popularity, well, a lot of our concerts do okay, and I know we still get royalty checks. We're just doing our thing and why should everyone dig us? Everybody can dig the Beatles, but why should everyone dig us? You know, the Beach Boys image is kinda like a group Doris Day, you know what I mean? A lot of people stopped digging the Beach Boys, you know, and in their mind that image is probably still that Doris Day image. And I think that a lot of kids are going away from all that clean thing because that's what their parents are at. This image wasn't helped by the fact that Carl Wilson, as a conscientious objector from the Vietnam War, had to do community service, which involved the group playing concerts in prisons. And in order to get those prison shows, they had to play nice with state governors, which sometimes meant things like a show they did in Oklahoma, where they played a decency rally run by the governor, part of a wave of such rallies that started out as a way of protesting Jim Morrison having exposed himself on stage. The group's final single under their capital contract was co written by Brian and his father, Murray Wilson, who had been inspired by hearing a TV presenter saying they were going to breakaway to a commercial. As was increasingly the pattern, Breakaway only made number 63 in the US but was a top 10 hit in much of the rest of the world. The lyrics to the song suggest something of the mental pain Ryan was going through at the time, though the song also seems to advise hope about the group's future.
- [98:46]
Hudie Ledbetter
I had been out of it and here's the answer I found.
- [99:04]
Andrew Hickey
Oddly, Murray Wilson insisted on being credited under a pseudonym rather than his own name. The record label calls him Reggie Dunbar. As you might have gathered from the story so far, even while the Beach Boys couldn't get arrested in the us, there were still major stars abroad. And indeed, on a European tour in June, they became the first American band to perform behind the Iron Curtain, playing three shows in Czechoslovakia mere months after the Soviet invasion. On that tour in the uk, Carl Wilson also discovered a black South African band, the Flame, who he signed to Brother Records and who became the first and only band other than the Beach Boys to release anything through Brother with an album. Carl Produced for them. Guitarist Blondie Chaplin and drummer Ricky Fitar would soon join the Beach Boys, fast expanding backing band as well. But while the group had their own record label, they had no distributor for that label. They'd split from Capital, and no other label in the US was interested in taking on a fading rock group who were still producing the occasional Fluke hit, but who weren't selling albums, which was now where the money was during 1969. In between intense international touring, the group continued recording, putting together tracks for a new album, even with no idea as to who might release it. Brian Wilson produced very little after Breakaway, and what he did produce was mostly trifles like Games 2 Can Play, a song inspired by Joe South's Games People Play, which was itself inspired by one of the self help books that had so influenced Charles Manson.
- [101:09]
Hudie Ledbetter
Later on I really get to go in yeah I get my motor running I get my legs to moving I just know good Unless two can play I was laying on my back Last meeting night I played my radio it was out of sight Joe south was singing Games People Play.
- [101:38]
Andrew Hickey
But the others were pulling their weight and making up for Brian's absence, with Dennis Wilson in particular producing some of his best ever work Forever, a song Ecova with Greg Jacobson, would become the song most indelibly associated with him, capturing him at a point where his voice was still strong, where his demons had not yet started to attack him too badly. Before the darkness that was about to fall, the group was still making optimistic, joyful music, even though they didn't have a record contract, in the belief that one would turn up. And one did, of course, eventually. But it took time and in the meantime, a depressed brain was making statements to the press saying that if they didn't have any more hits soon, they'd go bankrupt. Which did not make negotiating contracts with wary record companies any easier. The Beach Boys did not look like a sure commercial bet. And in November 1969 came two events that between them would permanently change the Wilson brothers lives for the worse. Murray Wilson, Brian, Carl and Dennis father, was the 50% owner of Sea of Tunes, the publishing company that had published every song that Brian had co written up to that point, with Brian owning the other half. But through some means unknown and now unknowable, he got Brian to transfer total control of the company to him. Brian alleged in a lawsuit in the 80s that his signature on the documents was forged. Others have said that he was just bullied into signing the papers. Either way, Murray got control of the company through means that would be unethical, given Brian's mental health, even if he hadn't been his father. And then he sold the company. He sold all of Brian's copyrights and all the future publishing income from them to Irving Almo Publishing for $700,000 and thought he'd got himself a good deal. Nobody would be wanting to hear Good Vibrations or I Get around or California Girls anymore. Better to cash in while you can, right? Sell it now so some other sucker would be left holding the bag when the money totally ran out. In the 55 years since that time, those songs have earned well over $100 million in royalties for Irving Almo and its successors. In interest. It turned out that Irving Almo's lawyer was also Murray Wilson's lawyer. Brian was devastated by this. He no longer owned his songs, his babies, and he no longer owned them because his own father no longer had any faith in him. While Brian had been mentally unwell for some time, people in his life point to this as a real turning point, after which he would just descend further and further. Hal Blaine would later recall Brian turning up shortly after this at Blaine's house, holding a box of his gold records, wanting to give them away to Blaine. They weren't his anymore because they weren't his songs, blaine said of the experience. He was removing himself from his own past. He was headed somewhere else, but I don't think he knew where that was exactly. And right then I don't think he cared. And it was very, very sad. But that was only the second worst thing to happen to the Beach Boys in November 1969. The worst was that Dennis, good friend and guru and sometimes songwriting partner Charles Manson, was arrested along with much of his family for mass murder. And we'll talk about that next time in our final episode on the Beach Boys. Be warned, it's going to get very, very, very dark. A history of rock music and 500 songs is brought to you by the generosity of my backers on Patreon. Each week, Patreon backers will get a 10 minute bonus podcast. This week's is on Fruit Tree by nick Drake. Visit patreon.com andrewhickey to sign up. For as little as a dollar a month, a book based on the first 50 episodes of the podcast From Savoy Swingers to Clock Rockers, is now available. Search Andrew Hickey 500 songs on your favorite online bookstore or visit the links in the show notes. This podcast is written and narrated by me, Andrew Hickey, and produced by me and Tilt Ariser. Visit 500-undredsongs.com that's 500-the-nuts songs.com to read transcripts and liner notes and get links to hear the full versions of songs excerpted here. If you've enjoyed the show and feel it's worth reviewing, please do leave a review wherever you get your podcasts. But more importantly, tell just one person that you liked this podcast. Word of mouth, more than any other form of promotion, is how creative works, get noticed and sustain themselves. Thank you very much for listening.