
For those who haven’t heard the announcement I posted, songs from this point on will sometimes be split among multiple episodes, so this is the first part of a multi-episode look at the song “Never Learn Not to Love” by the Beach Boys, and the links betw
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Andrew Hickey
A History of rock Music in 500 Songs by Andrew Hickey Song 177 Never Learn Not To Love by the Beach Boys Part 2 Is it true what they say about Dixie? Before we begin, a quick note. This episode and the others in this series on Never Learn Not To Love all deal with severely distressing topics more than is normal for this podcast as a whole. The whole mini series will be dealing with murder, drug abuse, mental illness, incarceration, racism and white supremacy, grooming, sexual violence and many more distressing concepts. In the case of this episode and the next, we will in particular be looking at racialised abuse of incarcerated people, and there will be some discussion of gun violence. In 1969, the Beach Boys released their album 20 20. It was so titled because, depending on how you counted, it was their 20th album in six and a half years. It was actually their 15th studio album in that time, but they'd also released one live album, three best ofs, and an album called Stacker Tracks, containing instrumental backing tracks, a sort of photo karaoke release. It would be their last for Capitol Records for more than 20 years. It was one of the group's best and most stylistically diverse albums. It also says something about them, about the toxic culture in the California music industry at the time, and about the end of the 60s as a whole, that it is an album featuring creative contributions from four people convicted of murder, three of whom would go on to commit their murders after the album was released. One of those is Phil Spector, who co wrote I Can Hear Music, which the group covered on the album. We've already looked at Spectre a great deal in this podcast and effectively ended his story, though he will be turning up in a handful of future stories. A second is session drummer Jim Gordon. We will talk about him and his crimes in a future episode, so let's leave him aside for now. And a third is Lead Belly. We have of course seen Lead Belly turn up in several previous episodes as the credited writer of Rock Island Lime, for example, in the episode on Lonnie Donegan. But we've never looked at him in depth. So let's look at Leadbelly.
Lead Belly
When I was a little baby my mother rocked me in the cradle and I'm old cotton viewed at home When I was a little baby my mother would drop me in the cradle in the mole cotton field at home oh, when them cotton bolts get rotten, you couldn't pick very much cotton.
Andrew Hickey
That was how this episode was meant to start. There's a reason this episode has taken a while to finish longer than I normally take. I wrote that introduction a few weeks back. I changed one word of it later, changing four murderers to four people convicted of murder for reasons that will become clear, and then had a long section planned and mostly written, which would tell the standard story of Leadbelly, a longer version of the shorter version I gave in, for example, the Rock island lion episode, and which turns up in almost every book on him or on blues or folk music history, that story goes basically. Hudie Ledbetter, who went by the nickname Leadbelly, was a violent man who spent much of his life incarcerated. He was arrested first for attempted murder, downgraded to possession of a deadly weapon, and spent time in prison for that. He then went on to get arrested and convicted for a murder he committed, apparently over a woman, but only spent seven years of a 30 year sentence in prison. He played a song to the Governor of Texas, begging for his freedom, and rather astonishingly, he ended up persuading the governor who enjoyed his music so much he pardoned him. But his time out of prison didn't last very long and soon he ended up in prison for attempted murder in Louisiana and remained there until John Lomax came along collecting folk songs. He was amazed at Leadbelly's talent and took him under his wing. In particular, Lomax took a recording of Leadbelly singing another song, asking for a pardon, this time to the Governor of Louisiana, and once again for a second time, Lead Belly managed to get himself let out of jail by singing for his release. Lomax then got Leadbelly his career and made him into a star in his 40s after decades in prison. I'd written a whole long thing about that, which was going to be the first half of this episode, and I was going to do a whole clever thing looking at parallels and differences between Leadbelly and Charles Manson, a figure with a lot of surface similarities, but one who went in a very different direction right at the end. But there's one problem with that. Literally, the day before I was going to record this episode, I was looking online for an MP3 copy of a song I wanted to use a clip of in the episode. I didn't find the song I wanted, but I did find a book titled Bring Judgment Day, Reclaiming Leadbelly's Truths from Jim Crow's Lies by Sheila Coven Bernard, which had only been published a few months ago, after I'd already looked for and bought most of the books I was intending to use in this episode, and which apparently came out rather under the radar due to problems with the publisher. But the title obviously resonated with what I'd set up in the last episode. So I thought I'd do my due diligence. I could buy the book, give it a read, and see what new extra elements could be included in the story I was telling, read it the next day, do an edit pass, stick in a couple of extra examples or anecdotes or whatever, maybe fix a couple of mistakes. It turned out that I needed to rework the entire episode. Bernard's book is one of that small number of books where I have to stress what an episode owes to a single source, because Bernard is the only biographer of Hudie Ledbetter to have gone back to the primary sources and looked at them with some awareness of how Jim Crow affected the justice system in the early 20th century and of the deep racism of much of what was written about him in his lifetime. It's one of the best books on music I've read in years, and I urge anyone who finds this episode at all interesting to get yourself a copy. Bernard has demolished the whole narrative we normally understand of Leadbetter, and one of the things she seems to have shown is that he didn't actually like being called Lead Belly. And so from this point I won't so let's start again. We have of course seen Hudie Ledbetter turn up in several previous episodes as the credited writer of Rock Island Lime, for example in the episode on Lonnie Donegan, but we've never looked at him in depth. So let's look at Hudie Ledbetter.
Lead Belly
Rock Me in the cradle in the Mold Cotton feel at home or when dumb Cotton bowl get rotten, you couldn't pick very much cotton in the Hughie Ledbetter.
Andrew Hickey
I've heard his full name pronounced a couple of different ways, including in recordings of the man himself, but that seems to be the one that was used most commonly by his friends. Was born in either 1888 or 1889. Reports vary and documentation is scarce in Louisiana near the Texas border to parents who had been born into slavery but were slowly dragging themselves up into something close to, if not wealth, at least a kind of prosperity. They were very hard working sharecropping farmers who by Hudy's mid teens had managed to actually buy themselves their own land just on the other side of the Texas border rather than having to work on other people's land. By the standards of the lives of most of my listeners, they were living in grinding poverty, doing back breaking labour. But for black People in the rural south at the turn of the 20th century, they were relatively well off and an example of the American dream as it's meant to work. If you work hard and live right, even someone who was born into slavery can make something of themselves and ensure a better life for their kids. Despite the reputation he had later for being violent and aggressive, Hudie was uniformly described as a very quiet, well behaved child. Her childhood friend and teenage girlfriend and mother of his first two children, Margaret Coleman, wrote a description of him as a kid in the 1930s. Hudie was a boy from his childhood days, quiet and respectful. His record proved he was a quiet boy. Never meddled, quarrelled or argued with anyone. He was swift, quick, very apt with his books. He was plain spoken. Something about Hudi's life was quite different from other children's. He never played like the others. He talked with the things he wanted to do. When he became a man, he never tried to interfere with anyone unless they would give him a cause. Then he would try to defend himself. Through all of his troubles, he has always been a boy to regain the same friendship with his enemies. He was also something of a child prodigy when it came to music. His whole family were musical. His mother led the singing in her church choir, and two of his paternal uncles were songsters, the term that was used at the time for men who would sing and accompany themselves on the banjo or mandolin or other portable instruments to entertain at parties. And the family encouraged Hewdie to pursue his musical ambitions. There are anecdotes of him whittling himself a fife from a stick when he was 2 years old and teaching himself to play tunes on it. He also taught himself harmonica, accordion and mandolin as a small child. His family would later talk about him sitting in a rocking chair playing the accordion when he was still so young that his feet wouldn't touch the floor when he was in the chair. According to Coleman, the very first night he had an instrument. Bernard interprets Coleman as saying it was the first night he had a guitar, but the wording is ambiguous and it might also be the first night he had an accordion. He taught himself to play a song called There Ain't no Cornbread here. I haven't been able to find a recording of a song by that title by anyone, but it might be related to or the same song as a song known as Cornbread Rough or Jawbone, which we know Ledbetter used to play on his accordion before he got a guitar and which he recorded in the 40s. It could also be a Song called Green Corn, which another biography, possibly interpreting the same anecdote differently, says he learned early on on the guitar after having learned the Cornbread song, whatever it was, on accord. Le better got his first guitar sometime around 1903 or 1904, a year or two after he left school, and around the time his parents made the last payment on their land. His cousin Edmund, who was a few months younger than him, already played and apparently gave him a handful of lessons, but said later he was a quick learner. He was the only person I knew who could just pick up an instrument and play it like he had lessons. He started playing in string bands with mandolin players, banjo players and violinists, and also started performing at suki Jumps local parties for 50 cents a night as a solo performer. He was a sophisticated, modern performer. As well as playing guitar and singing, he would also dance, doing a new form of dancing which many in his audience had never seen, tap dancing. It's likely that what he was actually doing would now be called soft shoe dancing, which is tap dancing in normal shoes, as this was before tap shoes became commonplace. And this was just about the time that Bill Bojangles Robinson, the first star of tap dance, was just starting out in his career. So this really was incredibly modern as well as this. He would play the organ in his local church and would also lead the congregation in singing, lining out, shouting out the next line so people knew what to sing. And he loved to play for children as well. Between all these, he learned hundreds of songs, dance songs, church songs, children's songs, field hollers. And he turned out to have an astonishing memory, not only for songs, but for different variants of songs, being able to talk later in life about the ways people in one town would sing a folk song and how it differed from another town. When he was 16, he moved to Shreveport, the nearest big town, for a while, and started playing at the brothels on Fannin street, the local red light district.
Lead Belly
My mama told me my little sister too Went on Final Street Suddenly gonna be the death of you.
Charles Manson
Why they care?
Lead Belly
I told my mama Mama, you don't know.
Andrew Hickey
But he couldn't make much of a living on Fannin Street. Many of the better brothels had the latest technical innovation, player pianos that you could put a coin in to get them to play. And so they didn't need musicians anymore. And he soon returned home, where he married his first wife and tried settling down and working as a cotton picker, though he and his wife would travel to Dallas regularly to try to see if he could make money as a musician there. Eventually they moved to Dallas, and he spent several years traveling around that part of Texas, often with a younger friend, Blind Lemon Jefferson. Jefferson would play slide guitar using a knife, while Ledbetter would play second guitar, accordion, or mandolin. Ledbetter seems to have spent a lot of time with Jefferson and a fair bit of time with Bessie Smith. He was remembered by Esther Mae Scott, one of the last surviving classic blues singers of the pre World War I era, as having been the person who introduced her to Smith in 1914, for example. Incidentally, Scott's One album recorded after her rediscovery in the 1970s, shows the way that purist ideas of what counts as authentic blues bear little relationship to reality. People we think of as blues singers at the turn of the last century always incorporated pop music into their performances.
Charles Manson
I'll give you everything I have you say you love me true I don't have so much to give but what I have I'll give to you I don't care so much for money Money can't buy me love can't buy me love.
Andrew Hickey
In 1915, when he was 26, Hudie, who was now based near Dallas, visited his parents in Harrison county for an important celebration. It was the 50th anniversary of Juneteenth 19 June 1865, the day a Union soldier read the Emancipation Proclamation to the black people of Galveston, Texas, informing them that they'd been freed, supposedly the final people in the former Confederate states to hear the good news. For those who are not aware of black American history, for whatever reason, this is an important celebration for black Americans, particularly in Texas, and was finally made a national holiday three years ago by the Biden administration. So you can imagine how important this 50th anniversary was to Ledbetter's parents, who had been born into slavery. It was then that everything changed for Hudie Ledbetter, and he went from being a promising young entertainer, the kind of person who might have had the same success and stardom his young friend Blind Lemon Jefferson or his acquaintance Bessie Smith would have a decade later getting the reputation that would haunt him the rest of his life. Leaving aside the version of the stories of Leadbetter's convictions that are told later, which we will look at next episode, here are some facts that are relevant to what follows. The area around Leadbetter's parents home was rapidly growing economically. Oil had been discovered nearby and as a result there were massive amounts of new roads being built around Harrison County, Texas, where the Leadbetters lived to make it easier to get drilling equipment and workers to these rural areas. The leadbetters farmland was close enough to the oil areas that they had sold some speculation rights for trifling amounts. But they would be in line for a big payout if those speculators found anything. Then there's the fact that when slavery was abolished in the U.S. an exception was made, one that's still in force today for people sentenced to prison time it's okay to force them into labour, for example, to build roads. Deputy Sheriff Robert Hope had a day job as an overseer for the new road building projects which needed a constant stream of young male labourers, preferably black men working for no money. Then there's the fact that the district court judge for Harrison County, Henry T. Littleton, was the president of the Caddo Clinton Oil and Gas Company and had been given a new car big deal in the 1910s by the good roads advocates of Marshall for his work on getting new roads built. Lyttleton also co owned a private club, whites only of course, the secretary of which was one William Henderson Lane, an attorney and also a special judge in the county court. And finally there's the pattern we've talked about in the episode on Crossroads where the vast majority of lynchings of black men for alleged crimes tended to be of black men who owned something, usually land that powerful white men wanted and wouldn't give it up to the white men. What tended to happen was that the black man would be accused of some awful crime, the people in the area would be roused to fury, the man would be murdered horribly. We can I think, be glad that that did not happen to Hudie Ledbetter of his father. We don't know quite what did happen. We know that Hudi did own a gun given to him by his father for protection. And we know that it was technically illegal to carry a pistol in much of Texas, though we also know that that law was enforced very selectively. Three days before Juneteenth Hudie Ledbetter was arrested for attempted murder by Deputy Sheriff Robert we don't know exactly what happened. There were minimal newspaper reports at the time. But Hope claimed that Ledbetter had shot a man and had confessed to the crime. The victim was able to appear in court a couple of days after the alleged incident. So if he was shot at all, it was clearly not a very serious wound, which is not to make light of shooting, but absent any other evidence, we only have limited information suggesting that there ever was a shooting at all. Perhaps there was. Perhaps Hudie Ledbetter, a man uniformly described by those who knew him as quiet and gentle and unassuming, did without provocation, without it being in self defence, just decide to murder his parents neighbour to take a shot at him and not finish the job. Perhaps. Or perhaps it was something else. What we do know is that after the arrest, Hewdy's parents hired him a lawyer. The legal firm they hired to defend Hewdy was Lane and Lane, the junior partner of which was William Henderson Lane, who was the treasurer of the private club that Henry T Littleton, the judge in Hudie's case, owned. The fee for Lane and Lane's legal services was 30 acres of their land, around half of what they owned. Hewdy's father signed the contract with the lawyers. His mother just put an X there as she couldn't read or write. The witness who countersigned Hudi's father's signature was R.L. seipert, who was the foreman of the grand jury who would decide if Hudi's case would go to trial. A year later, the Leadbetters tried to get their land back. The best guess anyone can find for what happened, given subsequent court filings, is that they had been lied to about what they were signing. They seem to have believed that they were posting their land as security against illegal fees and that once they paid them, they'd get their land back. But what they'd actually signed gave the Lanes the title to their land. The Lanes magnanimously agreed to sell the land back to the Leadbetters for the low, low price of a little under twice what they'd originally paid for it 12 years earlier. What? They didn't have that much money? Well that was ok. The Lanes would lend it to them at interest of course. And then when three years later, the older Lane died, the younger Lane, the one who was the treasurer of the judges whites only club, sued the Leadbetters to get the remainder of the loan, about 83% of it, plus interest and court costs back in one lump sum. And if they couldn't pay that off at once, to call in the land that it had been secured on, while of course keeping the money the Leadbetters had already paid. Once the Leadbetters lost that judgment, the land was then sold off to Robert Hope and Charles Kearney, his father in law. Robert Hope, you may remember, had been the deputy sheriff who arrested Hudie and who then run the chain gangs that were enslaved to build the roads. Hope, by this point had gone up in the world. He now managed an oil Company this.
Lead Belly
Old Jim Crow isms did bad luck.
Charles Manson
To me and you.
Lead Belly
I've been traveling. I've been traveling from toe to toe. Everywhere I have been I find some old Jim Crow.
Andrew Hickey
Given that level of corruption, it seems to me almost irrelevant if Ledbetter actually did shoot his neighbour as was alleged. And I certainly don't see any reason to believe that Robert Hope was telling the truth when he said Ledbetter had confessed. Certainly despite this alleged confession and despite Leadbetter's victim being alive and well enough to testify, Leadbetter was never actually convicted of the crime he was charged with. The trial was scheduled four times, but seems never to have been actually held. Reading between the lines, possibly incorrectly, it looks like maybe the witnesses who were being called were unwilling to testify or were maybe telling a story that was different from the one the authorities wanted. But that's my inference and I may be reading too much into things but the charges were eventually dropped, but by that time the authorities had still managed to imprison Hudie Ledbetter. He was arrested again on the separate charge of possession of a gun. This arrest took place while he was still awaiting trial for the attempted murder charge. And because that was a lesser charge, it could be tried in a court with only six jurors. Indeed, he was arrested on two separate charges of carrying a pistol, one of which he was found not guilty of even by a hand picked jury of six white men. As Sheila Cohen Bernard, whose book Bring Judgment Day Again is my major source for this part of this episode and which I can't praise highly enough, says what is clear is that Harrison county officials seemed determined to convict him for something. But for the other charge he was given a sentence of a month at hard labour. And not only that, he was ordered to pay off the costs of the arrest and trial by working at hard labour. The costs amounted to $73 50 and that would be knocked down by 50 cents per day working on building the new roads that so many people involved in his incarceration were invested in. Sometime after four months into this one month sentence, Ledbetter managed to escape from this involuntary servitude which must have seemed like it was going to last forever. And he and his wife moved a couple of counties away and he changed his name to Walter Boyd. Two years later though, he was arrested again, this time for an actual murder.
Lead Belly
It was early one morning Blues came falling down it was only one morning Morning blues came falling down.
Charles Manson
I was.
Lead Belly
All locked up in jail, baby and I was jail housebound.
Andrew Hickey
The circumstances around this one are less well documented. And again, we don't have the details of the trial other than a couple of very brief reports in local newspapers and some brief notes of the one day trial. But what seems to have happened is that Leadbetter and three other men, one of them a distant relative, Will Stafford, who was also married to Leadbetter's cousin, were out gambling and got into some sort of argument. According to Ledbetter, one of the other two men grabbed Stafford's own gun and shot him in the head with it. According to the prosecution, Ledbetter shot Stafford with Leadbetter's gun. Obviously, there was no forensic evidence to show which of these was right and either is plausible. Ledbetter was convicted, but his lawyers, working pro bono it seems, and actually trying to defend him, filed motions for another trial. It's certainly not impossible that Leadbetter was guilty of the murder. We don't know who was telling the truth with no physical evidence. But there certainly seems to have been more than a little doubt among people around the case about how guilty Ledbetter was. According to Bernard, at least one member of Stafford's family was convinced Hughie didn't kill Will. Some other men did. While Ledbetter's lawyer's son later told a journalist that his father had been utterly convinced that Ledbetter was innocent and had been set up. Not conclusive evidence of innocence by any means, but nor is there any real evidence of his guilt either. In a weird coincidence, and I do mean that as unless I'm missing something, there's no way this could be more than that. The district attorney prosecuting Ledbetter in this trial was the nephew of Charles Carney, the man who two years later would buy the land that the Leadbetters had had to sell to pay for their son's previous lawyers. Ledbetter's lawyers managed to get a three month period to put together a case for a retrial, during which Ledbetter was just held in a local jail rather than sent to a more secure prison. And during that time he and his cellmates managed to escape two of them, which two? And with or without the knowledge of the other three prisoners in the cell. We don't know for sure other than that the ringleader seems to have been a man named James Mosley, knocked the jailer down and stole his gun when he came in with the breakfast tray and four of the five people in the cell ran out. Unfortunately, when they were caught a couple of hours later, Mosley was shot dead by police Shortly after the escape, they were all charged with and convicted of the attempted murder of the jailer, which seems possibly not the best charge for knocking someone down, especially since they stole his gun. If they'd wanted to kill him, they would presumably have used that. And this conviction made the judges turn down the request his lawyers had put in for a retrial. After all, he was clearly a convicted attempted murderer, so what were the chances of him not actually being a real murderer? Open and shut case. He was sentenced to a total of 30 years in prison, with a minimum tariff of seven years for the two crimes.
Lead Belly
A piece of baby in her hand well, I'm going after Captain he trying to lose to my man Let the midnight special Shiny light on me Let the midnight special Shiny heaven light on.
Andrew Hickey
Me Ledbetter served his time in one of the worst prison systems in the world, the Texas prison farms, which were notorious for their brutality. He was serving on farms which had been established in slavery and had smoothly switched over to using convicts as the slaves, doing the same work in similar conditions. But in 1921, three years after his conviction, a new governor of Texas was brought in. Pat Neff. Neff was a progressive and a reformer, but neither of those things meant quite what they might seem to mean today. He was a former prosecutor with a record of getting an astonishing number of convictions, and he was strongly opposed to pardoning convicted criminals and ended up pardoning only a fraction of those his predecessors did. The main criticism that was made of him in his time in office was his refusal to take a strong stand against the Ku Klux Klan. He was, though, a strongly religious man and of the type that wants to cleanse the world of all evils, whether those of evils committed by individuals or societal evils like filth and squalor and disease. He wanted to be, as a later political slogan would have it, tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime. And so when reports came in that Texas prisons were filthy and unsanitary and essentially places of degrading evil torture, he allowed an organisation, the Texas Committee on Prisons and Prison Labour, to investigate. This organisation was mostly made up of former suffragettes who had now turned their mind to further reforms, having won the vote for white women. And they investigated the prison system over a period of three years, finding that 89% of the prisoners were diseased, two thirds were mentally ill, and that what was needed was a prison system new from start to finish. The committee were given a lot of access to the prisons and sometimes they brought the governor himself along on their inspections. This would be a big event, and entertainment would be put on for him, including prisoners performing music for him. Lebbetter and a band of other musicians were told to play country songs for the governor and the rest of the delegation. And Neff was impressed not only by Leppetta's musicianship, but by his dress. He was always someone who was very scrupulous about his appearance and dressed as neatly as he could. And he'd had his prison uniform laundered, starched and ironed to make a good impression. And then Leadbetter played a particular song.
Lead Belly
Hey girl Nepal, you got me out of Wake up in the morning I'd.
Charles Manson
Set you free.
Lead Belly
If I had you Governor Ne, you got me I'd wake up in the morning I would set.
Charles Manson
You free.
Lead Belly
If I had you Governor Nepalaki, you got me I'd wake up in the morning I would set you free. Where you going? I'm going back to me.
Andrew Hickey
That was a song that he had written, specifically aimed at Neff and Inspired by Matthew 6:14. For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. And asking him for a pardon, Neff and the committee then interviewed Leadbetter about prison conditions and his crime. And Leadbetter impressed them, though in his brief mention of this in his autobiography, Neff uses some extremely racist terms about the unnamed prisoner, who was not yet famous, but we now know to be Ledbetter. Neff visited the prison several more times, and each time he made a point of seeking out Ledbetter, who would play the same song for him each time, as well as many of the other country songs that Neff loved. And on the last day of Neff's term as governor, he did as Leadbetter had asked and pardoned him. Hughley Ledbetter walked free six and a half years into his 30 year term with a full pardon. In the meantime, his father had died and his wife had left him, but he was legally innocent. He spent the next few years working quietly around Shreveport, playing music and supplementing his income with various jobs working on Farms and four oil companies. For five years, he had no trouble. But then, in early 1930, trouble happened. There are many, many conflicting stories about what landed Leadbetter back in prison. Lots of stories seem to conflate two different incidents with perhaps some suggestion that one of the incidents caused powerful white men to be annoyed at Ledbetter and thus ensure his conviction. But the actual charge was for stabbing a white man named Dick Ellet. The early reports in newspapers and reports from Ledbetter's acquaintances tell a relatively consistent story. Ledbetter was walking home when he saw a Salvation army band performing. He stopped to listen to the music and danced along with it. Some of the white people watching objected to a black man dancing to church music and tried to stop him. What happened next is a little unclear. According to Leadbetter's then girlfriend, who he later married, a drunk white man who had been friendly with Ledbetter since they were children, grabbed him to say hello and other people in the crowd thought they were fighting. It's possible to get something like this from the confused mess that people have treated as Ledbetter's autobiography and which we'll talk about next time too. Whether because of that or just because of his dancing. A crowd of white men, some armed with knives, started attacking Leadbetter. Leadbetter pulled out his own pocket knife, which he carried as a tool to defend himself. Two people, Leadbetter and Elliot, sustained minor knife injuries. The white Ellet was taken to hospital to be treated for his minor wound. The black Leadbetter was taken to jail and charged with attempted murder. Leadbetter nearly didn't make it to trial. A lynch mob was formed and surrounded the jail, but for once were dispersed by the sheriff. Rather than allowed to murder a black man during the trial, the story subtly changed from what had been reported in the newspapers before the trial. After the trial, the newspapers reported that the testimony had been that Leadbetter had, after people had stopped him dancing, gone home and come back with a knife and stabbed Elliot. This seems to me like a fairly clear example of changing the story to show premeditation so that a black man who was defending himself from an armed mob would be turned into a cold blooded attempted killer. While awaiting the trial in which he was found guilty, Leadbetter's mother died. He was not allowed to visit her on her deathbed or attend her funeral. He was sentenced to six to 10 years at Louisiana State Penitentiary in Angola. And it was there he met the real villain of his story. And speaking of village Pretty girl.
Charles Manson
Pretty pretty girl Cease to exist Just come and say you love me Give up your worth.
Andrew Hickey
When we left the Beach Boys, Brian Wilson was recording and re recording the song Old Folks at Home and they just recorded and were about to release a great album, Friends that didn't even make the top 100 on the album charts. However, at the time they were doing that, they were also working on a track that went in a different direction from the gentle, almost easy listening style that the group had used on Friends Do It Again is a return to the topic of surfing, though not as many claim to the sound of their old surf records as sonically, it's very different from its predecessors. Given the twin topics of the lyrics, surfing and the group's first attempt at surfing, nostalgia, with Mike Love's lyrics talking about reminiscing about surfing days and getting back together and surfing again. It's appropriate that it has its roots in a track that some consider to be the first surf record, though as we always say, there's no first anything, and if there was, this wasn't it, and one that had been released on Candix, the same label as the Beach Boys own first single, Surfin, a few months before they made their debut. That track was Underwater by the Frogmen. That had been brought to Brian's mind the year before when they played a couple of concerts in Hawaii for an abandoned attempt at a live album, with Brian for once performing live for the record. That show had been made up of odd rearrangements of some of their biggest hits in more mellow, organ driven versions, and they'd included a version of Surfing, which they hadn't performed live for years. And possibly thinking of Candice Records and the song's similarity to Underwater, Brian played a slight variant on the latter's melody as his organ.
Charles Manson
So I was checking out the surfing seat to see if I would go and when the DJ tells me that the surfing is fine.
Andrew Hickey
In early 1968, Mike Love had gone surfing with a friend and was inspired to make a lyrical return to the subject that had given the group their earliest hit, but which they'd only actually sung about for a very short period of time. The Beach Boys first surfing record was, of course, surfing in November 1961. But by two years later and their fourth album, Little Deuce Coupe, they totally dropped the topic. Between September 1963 and July 1968, when the new single came out, they'd only recorded one song about surfing, the 1964 album track Don't Back down, released in July 1964. Indeed, this new single would be the only time they would release a song about surfing between 1964 and 1978. But as Bruce Johnston said about it later that year, everyone else was going back to basics. So I suppose it was inevitable that we should. Though as we've seen, the group had actually been slightly ahead of the curve when it came to the trend for going back to one's roots. The basic track for the song was recorded by the Beach Boys themselves with Alan Carl on guitars, Brian on keyboards and Dennis on drums, with one of Carl O'Brien playing the bass. That basic track, with a slightly different guide vocal has been released on various Rarities compilations.
Charles Manson
Warmed Up Brother, let's Get Together and Do It Again.
Andrew Hickey
But it was a few days later when the the finishing touch was put on that would turn it into a proper hit record. A horn section was added and also a second drum track, and some additional percussion was put on by session drummer John Guerin. But the real trick to making it a hit came from the engineer Steve Desper, who had recently started working with the group and would be an essential part of their team, both live and in the studio for the next few years. Desper had ordered a couple of tape delay units to thicken the group's live vocal sound by essentially doing live artificial double tracking, and he decided to use these on the drum part, but to put the tape heads very close together, so that, as he put it, one drum strike was repeated four times, about 10 milliseconds apart. The result was a unique drum sound that made the record's intro sound like nothing else. On the radio.
Charles Manson
Conversations are two girls we knew when their hair was soft and long and the beach was the place to go.
Andrew Hickey
That track went top 20 in the US, becoming their last top 20 hit until 1976, and also ended up becoming their second and final UK number one hit. The combination of a nostalgic look to the past with experimental production techniques seemed to provide a way forward for the group. But in the few days between those two studio dates, the group had helped produce some demos for a Friend of Dennis. Charles Manson had had an unfortunate, difficult life, and it is hard not to feel some sympathy for him. His mother was a neglectful alcoholic who served time in prison during his early childhood and who kept getting arrested for petty crimes. Young Manson quickly fell into the same patterns, but much more so. According to interviews he later gave, which may of course not be accurate, he burned his school down when he was nine. He got sent to multiple reform homes and juvenile correction institutions where he was abused and from which he kept escaping and committing more crimes. By the time he was 32, he had spent more than half his life in various institutions, graduating to adult prisons as soon as he was old enough for crimes, including car theft, trying to cash forged cheques and pimping. When he was sentenced to 10 years in prison aged 26 in 1961, he seemingly decided that prison was now just his life and that he was more comfortable on the inside. But he also began a self improvement programme of sorts. In particular, he started reading self help books, the books that were in the 60s, the equivalent of the kind of books you get in airport and train station bookshops today. The ones that these days get titles like Leadership Tips From Marcus Aurelius to Declutter and Detox youx mind in just 24 seconds. He read how to Win Friends and Influence People, the first massive self help bestseller of this nature, which contains advice like the only way I can get you to do anything is by giving you what you want. What do you want? Sigmund Freud said that everything you and I do springs from two the sex urge and the desire to be great. John Dewey, one of America's most profound philosophers, phrased it a bit differently. Dr. Dewey said that the deepest urge in human nature is the desire to be important. Remember that phrase, the desire to be important? It is significant. You are going to hear a lot about it in this book. He also read Games People Play by Eric Byrne, the pop psychology bestseller that teaches a hypothesis that people have different modes of behaviour, which Byrne called the parent, adult and child, and that behaviours are addressed from, for example, my child to your parent, and that problems come when people are operating on different levels. That book in particular influenced one of the songs that Manson, an aspiring songwriter, would soon mate Lucky a game girl.
Charles Manson
Just to say you love not enough you're fun, you can't be true, you can't tell those lies baby but you're only fooling you can you feel Are those feelings real? Look at your game girl look at your game girl.
Andrew Hickey
And Manson was also hugely influenced by two different sources we've talked about in the podcast before he was a fan of the science fiction novel Stranger in a Strange Land by Robert Heinlein, a novel initially inspired by Kipling's Jungle Book, about a boy named Valentine. Michael Smith, raised on Mars by Martians who comes to Earth and is the leader of a messianic cult that preaches non monogamy and blends pagan mystery religions, fundamentalist Christianity and pantheism. Smith is killed at the end and revealed to be an incarnation of the Archangel Michael. The book seems to have been at least partly inspired by the Mormon religion, which is a subject Heinlein had a fascination with, though he was not a member of the church, and in turn the book was hugely popular in the counterculture. Stranger in a Strange Land seems to have been one of the major inspirations for David Bowie's Ziggy Stardust and was also the inspiration for Triad, the David Crosby song recorded at various times by the Byrds, Jefferson Airplane and Crosby.
Charles Manson
Stills in Nashville. Sister lovers you heard about. Water Brothers, maybe in town. Whole lot of others. So you see what we can do is to try something new if you're crazy too.
Andrew Hickey
The other major influence on Manson during his time in prison was, coincidentally or not, closely linked with Heinlein. L Ron Hubbard, like Heinlein, was a science fiction writer who had done most of his work for Astounding Science Fiction magazine, edited by John W. Campbell, the most influential man in science fiction in the mid 20th century and a man whose bizarre personal ideas about race and parapsychology have shaped huge chunks of the culture to a much greater extent than most realise. Hubbard and Heinlein had known each other and at times had been friends, though there's no truth to the widely circulated rumour that they challenged each other to start a religion, with Hubbard winning the bet. Heinlein had though, introduced Hubbard to Jack Parsons. Parsons was a pioneering rocket scientist. He was a founder of the jet Propulsion lab at Caltech, which later became the basis of NASA's rocketry research. But he was also a devoted occultist and was the head of the LA branch of the Ordo Templi Orientiis, Aleister Crowley's magical organisation, reporting directly to Crowley and providing much of Crowley's income. Hubbard moved in with Parsons and Parsons taught him Crowley's system, which behind all its talk of magic, was mostly actually about creating new different mental states in the practitioner. The two participated in various occult rituals, mostly involving sex and drugs, in an attempt to create a moon child, a magical being that would save the earth. Rituals of which Crowley said, apparently Parsons or Hubbard or somebody is producing a moon child. I get fairly frantic when I contemplate the idiocy of these louts. After the moon child ritual failed, Hubbard stole $10,000 of Parsons money and ran off with Parsons teenage wife marrying her bigamously. During all that time, Hubbard had continued writing science fiction stories for John W. Campbell, and Campbell had been profoundly shocked by the revelation of the atomic bomb. Campbell became convinced that a new form of psychology was needed to change the minds of humanity, to prevent it from destroying itself with this new technology. And Campbell also believed that science fiction fandom and writers, being obviously the most intelligent and scientific people in the world, were the people to develop that. And Hubbard, who knew a mark when he saw one, started a series of experiments with Campbell involving ideas from Crowley, from general semantics and from hypnosis. He and Campbell developed a new science they called Dianetics, the name being Campbell's idea, inspired by the new science of cybernetics. The Dianetic experiments mostly consisted of Hubbard putting a pyramid made out of mirrors on a spinning record player, shining a light into it, and making Campbell look at it until he was in an appropriately suggestible state, sometimes with the help of scopolamine and phenobarbital, and then doing hypnotic regression, having the suggestible Campbell remember traumatic events from his past so he could be cleared of them. Campbell was impressed by this and wrote to Heinlein saying, I firmly believe this technique can cure cancer. This is, I am certain, the greatest story in the world. Far bigger than the atomic bomb, because this is the story of controlling human thought, freeing it for use, and it is human thought that controls atomic energy. It is a story that must be spread though, and spread fast. But damn it, Bob, right now the key to world sanity is in Ron Hubbard's head, and there isn't even an adequate written record. Campbell and Hubbard co authored papers on their discovery, which they submitted to the Journal of the American Medical association and the American Journal of Psychiatry, both of which rejected it on the trivial technicality that they had absolutely no evidence for their hypothesis. Instead, the paper was published in Astounding Science Fiction under Hubbard's name alone. Campbell was a very collaborative editor and often effectively co wrote stories with his authors, but gave them full credit, and he clearly decided to do the same thing with his new scientific discovery. A book followed, which Campbell worked on extensively with Hubbard before the two of them fell out. That book became a mega bestseller, and off the back of it, Hubbard founded the Church of Scientology and became its leader. Manson, in prison, converted to Scientology and absorbed Hubbard's book on Dianetics hungrily. In particular its techniques for manipulating suggestible people, which he combined with the techniques he learned from how to make friends and influence people. And there was one final big influence that hit Manson in prison.
Charles Manson
Tell you something I think you understand when I say that something I wanna hold your hand I wanna hold your hand.
Andrew Hickey
On seeing the Beatles and the reaction they had, Charles Manson, who had been playing guitar a little for years but never got very good, decided he had a new ambition. He was going to be a star like them. He became a major Beatles fan and started writing his own songs in imitation of them, taking his music seriously for the first time. He got an inkling of how he could do this when he got a new cellmate, Phil Kaufman, in 1966. We've met Kaufman previously. He was Graham Parsons, tour manager, and stole Parsons body to set fire to it, as Parsons had wished. Kaufman would in fact be the tour manager for a lot of very successful artists in the late 60s and 70s, people like Frank Zappa, Emmylou Harris and Joe Cocker. But when Manson met him, he was an actor who'd had bit parts in a few films and knew a lot of people in the entertainment industry. It was one of Kaufman's connections, PR man Gary Stromberg, who at that time working for Universal Studios, who would get Kaufman his first tour manager job with the Rolling Stones when he got out of prison. But even before then, Kaufman was impressed enough by Manson that he gave Manson Stromberg's contact details. Stromberg might be able to help him when he got out. Kaufman advised Manson to wait a few months after release to contact Stromberg, so he had time to re acclimatise to the outside world. Manson took that advice when he was released on parole the next year, though he actually didn't want to be let out at all, saying he was too institutionalised and didn't know how to survive on the outside. He moved to San Francisco, to Haight Ashbury, and it was there that he took his first acid trip at a Grateful Dead gig. The source I'm using says that this was at the Avalon Ballroom and likely on June 11, 1967. But the dead actually stopped playing at the Avalon for about a year only a few days after Manson was let out of prison and before he got to San Francisco. And they were actually in New York on that particular date. So it was likely at the Winterland or the Fillmore at some point in late spring or early summer. 1967 is the least documented year for Dead shows as far as taping goes, so we don't have a copy of whichever show Manson saw, but we can imagine that the music he heard was not dissimilar to this Winterland show. From March just before his release, Manson was homeless. But then he met a young librarian, Mary Brunner, who was walking her poodle. After the dog ran up to him and he pretended to be terrified. Within a couple of minutes, he charmed Brunner into letting him stay in her apartment and the two soon became lovers. Shortly after moving in with Brunner, Manson intervened with a 16 year old girl, Darlene, who was being attacked by an older man. Manson pretended to be a relative of the girl's and rescued her from the man and took her back to his and Brunner's flat. Soon, Darlene was also his lover. Both her and Brunner devoted to him and Brunner supporting him on her salary. Darlene soon left the arrangement, but Manson started collecting more teenage girls, usually runaways between the ages of 15 and 19, of whom there was a plentiful supply in San Francisco in 1967, initially presenting himself as a protector and soon coaxing them into communal living arrangements in which he would play his guitar and spout his philosophy while having sex with any of them he chose and supplying them with copious amounts of lsd. By the time he headed down to LA to audition for Stromberg in November, eight months after getting out of prison, Manson had six women with him and had obtained a yellow school bus to drive down in in imitation of Ken Kesey's Merry Pranksters. Stromberg agreed to see Manson as he was a friend of Kaufman and was impressed with his music, as many people seem to have been, and called him Russ Regan. Regan was the record executive who six years earlier had suggested to Candix Records that they rename the Pendletones to the Beach Boys. And he was now heading Uni Records, a label that had been set up by Universal and which in 1967 was putting out records by Hugh Masakela, the Strawberry Alarm Clock, and an album called Discover Yourself Through Astrology, an album with music by one Richard Russell, over which Roger Christian, the lyricist for Little Deuce Coupe, Surf City, Don't Worry Baby, and many more hot rod hits, earnestly lectured you about the lessons of the stars.
Dennis Wilson
A celestial science that weaves the fascinating stories of life. I'd like to tell you a story, the story of your life at the time of your birth. The sun and other planets of our solar system were positioned in a definite pattern. And according to astrology, this pattern determined the individual characteristics that have formed your character and your personality, the real you, the one that others see. But do they really know you? For that matter, do you really know yourself?
Andrew Hickey
Vegan, in turn, was impressed enough by Manson to agree that Uni Records would fund a demo session for him at Gold Star Studios to be produced by Stromberg. Rather surprisingly, in retrospect, listening to these demos, one can see why Stromberg and Regan thought it was worth giving Manson a chance. Manson's songs at this point are far more musically sophisticated than most of the hippie singer songwriters of the time, with a little Latin influence. The melodies are often derivative. You can hear fragments of more famous songs float to the surface at points. But if anything, the main problem with them, from a commercial point of view, is that they're closer to the Adult pop of a Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin or Andy Williams than to the rock market Manson was aiming at. More than anything else, these songs remind me of Brian Maclean of Love, and at points they're spookily similar to his demos.
Charles Manson
Invisible Tears in My eyes Incredible Pain.
Lead Belly
In My heart Indestructible memories Impossible though things may get Improbable I will forget.
Charles Manson
Indelible memories Incomparable memories Indispensable memories Of.
Lead Belly
Sweet love above you.
Charles Manson
And all the.
Andrew Hickey
Cowboys went the next day. Regan and Stromberg agreed that without Manson's charismatic physical presence, the music didn't stand up well enough to be commercial, and decided against signing Manson. Stromberg tried to let him down gently and told Manson he'd let him know if something came up, which Manson took as an invitation to hang around the Universal lot, pestering Stromberg and schmoozing with celebrities. At one point he apparently picked up a little extra money babysitting for Al Lewis for Famous for having played Grandpa in the Munsters, which finished the previous year. But eventually, after Manson tried to get himself involved as a consultant on a film about Jesus which never ended up getting made, and then grew angry when he discovered they were planning to cast a black Christ, Stromberg explained to Manson that he wasn't going to get signed and maybe he should just go. All this time, Manson had been collecting more girls from what he was now calling his family, and they moved into a place in Topanga Canyon with a new friend, Bobby Beausoleil, who we've talked about before. He was a member of the Grassroots, the band that became Love for a While, nicknamed Bummer Bob. And we talked in the episodes on Sympathy for the Devil about his collaborations with Kenneth Anger. Beausoleil and Manson actually formed a six piece band, the Milky Way. But the band only got to play one gig. They drove off the club's normal clientele. But then came Charles Manson's big break in the music business. Ella Jo Bailey and Patricia Krenwinkel, two of the girls in the family, were hitchhiking when they were picked up by a good looking man named Dennis, who took them back to his mansion in Pacific Palisades for a threesome. Afterwards, Dennis went out and left the girls to get themselves ready and head home. They did and they got back to Charlie, who realised who Dennis was. Dennis Wilson, meanwhile, had gone to a recording session. One book on Manson says it was the session for Busy doing nothing from the Friends album, but given the Beach Boys tour schedule at the time, had Dennis in Florida the day before and the day after that and the fact that the only Beach Boy on the track is Brian, that seems unlikely. More likely is that it was the session for Be still, the song we heard last time, which was recorded on 3rd April. The last time Dennis would be in a studio that we know of until the last week of June.
Charles Manson
Will set you free Live in harmony and love Will set you free oh you know, you know you are. Be still and know you are, you know, you know you are.
Andrew Hickey
When Dennis got home, he found a bus parked outside his house and Beatles records playing from his stereo. As he walked up to the door, a short bearded man came out. Wilson was worried at first and said, are you going to hurt me? Charlie replied, do I look like I'm going to hurt you brother? And then dropped to the floor and started kissing Dennis's shoes. Charles Manson had found his big opportunity in the music business.
Lead Belly
Be a little careful when they go along through that, but stay woke. Keep the eyes open.
Tilt Ariser
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Podcast Summary: A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs Episode: Song 177: “Never Learn Not to Love” by the Beach Boys, Part Two — “Is it True What They Say About Dixie?” Host: Andrew Hickey Release Date: December 16, 2024
Timestamp [00:03] - [02:20] Andrew Hickey opens the episode by introducing "Never Learn Not to Love" by the Beach Boys and issues a content warning. This episode, part of a mini-series on the same song, delves into distressing topics such as murder, drug abuse, racism, and violence. Hickey emphasizes that the discussions, particularly surrounding racialized abuse of incarcerated individuals and gun violence, are more intense than usual for the podcast.
Timestamp [02:20] - [06:50]
Hickey recounts the life of Hudie Ledbetter, better known as Lead Belly, highlighting his exceptional musical abilities from a young age. Quotes from Ledbetter's songs ("When I was a little baby...") underscore his deep roots in music and storytelling.
Lead Belly (02:49): "When I was a little baby my mother rocked me in the cradle..."
Hickey describes Ledbetter's upbringing in Louisiana near the Texas border, born to parents who had been born into slavery but were advancing towards prosperity through hard work as sharecroppers. Despite facing extreme poverty, Ledbetter exhibited remarkable musical prodigy, teaching himself multiple instruments and performing publicly from a young age.
Hickey outlines Lead Belly's tumultuous encounters with the law, starting with charges of attempted murder and possession of a deadly weapon. Notably, Ledbetter managed to secure multiple pardons through his musical talents, demonstrating his ability to influence authorities with his performances.
Hickey (06:50): "Hudie was uniformly described as a very quiet, well-behaved child..."
He discusses the systemic racism and corruption within the justice system that plagued Ledbetter's life, especially highlighting the dubious legal proceedings and the exploitation of his family's land by corrupt officials connected to powerful white men.
Timestamp [06:50] - [22:54]
Hickey delves deeper into the racial injustices faced by Lead Belly, detailing how his family's land was deceitfully taken over by lawyers associated with corrupt judges and deputies like Robert Hope. The narrative illustrates the pervasive racism and manipulation within the legal system that targeted black landowners.
Lead Belly (22:52): "Old Jim Crow isms did bad luck."
The episode highlights how Lead Belly's legal battles were influenced more by the prejudiced motives of white authorities than by any substantive evidence against him. Hickey emphasizes that despite allegations and minimal evidence, Ledbetter's experiences reflected the broader systemic oppression of black individuals in early 20th-century America.
Timestamp [22:54] - [60:16]
Hickey shifts focus to the Beach Boys, particularly their 1969 album "20 20," which marked a stylistic divergence and was their last with Capitol Records for over two decades. He discusses the innovative production techniques used in "Never Learn Not to Love," highlighting the use of tape delay units by engineer Steve Desper to create a unique drum sound.
Hickey (38:25): "The real trick to making it a hit came from the engineer Steve Desper..."
The narrative introduces Charles Manson, detailing his troubled early life filled with abuse and incarceration. Manson's exposure to self-help books, science fiction, and occult practices profoundly influenced his worldview and future actions.
Charles Manson (44:14): "Just to say you love not enough you're fun, you can't be true..."
Hickey explores Manson's fascination with manipulating suggestible individuals through techniques he learned from reading "How to Win Friends and Influence People" and "Games People Play" by Eric Berne. His obsession with achieving fame in the music industry leads him to idolize bands like the Beatles and attempt to infiltrate the Beach Boys' circle.
Timestamp [60:16] - [61:07]
Hickey recounts Manson's efforts to break into the music industry, specifically his attempts to connect with Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys. Manson's charismatic yet manipulative behavior leads to his temporary engagement with Wilson, laying the groundwork for his later infamy.
Dennis Wilson (56:06): "A celestial science that weaves the fascinating stories of life..."
The episode details how Manson's failed audition and subsequent interactions with the Beach Boys culminated in his manipulation of Dennis Wilson, ultimately integrating himself into their personal sphere.
Timestamp [61:07] - End
Hickey wraps up the episode by briefly mentioning upcoming content and encouraging listeners to support the podcast through Patreon and book purchases. He emphasizes the interconnectedness of music history with broader societal issues, as exemplified by the stories of Lead Belly and Charles Manson.
Andrew Hickey [00:03]: "Never Learn Not to Love" delves into severely distressing topics... dealing with murder, drug abuse, mental illness, incarceration, racism, and more.
Lead Belly [02:49]: "When I was a little baby my mother rocked me in the cradle..."
Lead Belly [22:52]: "Old Jim Crow isms did bad luck."
Charles Manson [35:26]: "Pretty pretty girl Cease to exist Just come and say you love me..."
Dennis Wilson [56:06]: "A celestial science that weaves the fascinating stories of life..."
Intersection of Music and Social Issues: The episode illustrates how music intersects with historical and societal issues, using Lead Belly's life to highlight racial injustices and Manson's story to show the dark underbelly of music culture.
Systemic Racism: Through Lead Belly's experiences, Hickey sheds light on the deep-seated racism and corruption within the early 20th-century American justice system, particularly in the South.
Influence of Music on Personal Lives: The narrative demonstrates how music can shape and influence individuals, for better or worse, as seen in both Lead Belly's musical legacy and Manson's misguided aspirations.
Manipulation and Charisma: Manson's story underscores the dangers of charismatic manipulation, especially when combined with extremist ideologies and personal ambitions.
This episode of "A History of Rock Music in 500 Songs" by Andrew Hickey provides a compelling exploration of the tumultuous lives of Lead Belly and Charles Manson, set against the backdrop of the Beach Boys' musical journey. By intertwining personal histories with broader societal issues, Hickey offers listeners a nuanced understanding of how music both shapes and is shaped by the cultural and political landscapes of its time.
For those interested in the intricate connections between music, history, and personal narratives, this episode serves as a profound reminder of the power and complexity inherent in rock music's legacy.