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January 2025 Preview
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As our resolution for the new year, we decided to record 300 podcast episodes. And wouldn’t you know it: We’re almost there! Kick off 2025 by learning about the, surprisingly, never-before discussed on the show matching law! Then we blast off into...
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Diana
Foreign.
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Robert Perry Crews
Hey, everybody. Welcome to ABA Inside Track, the podcast that's like reading in your car but safer. I'm your host, Robert Perry Crews. With me, as always, are my fabulous co hosts.
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Diana
It's me, Diana.
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Jackie
Hello. Welcome to 2025. It's me, Jackie.
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Robert Perry Crews
So a lot of pauses there. I. I have to say, I was actually paused about announcements of my fabulous co host because I was already playing out. One of you is going to go first because it's 2025 and we're gonna do the. Do the bit. So I got. I got stuck myself. So apologies, listeners, but this isn't a podcast about unfilled pauses that just kind of drag on for a long time. We did that episode. It's a podcast about behavior analysis and behavior analytic research where every week we pick a topic and discuss at length. Unless it's this week, either the end of the month if you are one of our Patreon subscribers, or the beginning of the month if you're listening on our main feed. But we talk about what's to come in the upcoming month on the show, as well as anything else going on that is relevant to us and the podcast. So this is our January 2025 preview episode. Wow. 2025. Who'd have thunk it?
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Jackie
Do you want to hear something hilarious this week? I've been doing a lot of work, but I have been, like, thinking about my courses for 2025. And so I've been updating the syllabi and writing 2025 and being very mindful about writing 2025 on them so I don't have. And then I went to do all of these other paperworks that are relevant right now, like 2024, and I wrote 2025 on all of them.
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Diana
Oh, no, it's a reverse problem here ahead.
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Jackie
So everyone's like, did you know you wrote 2025? I'm like, I'm just getting it. I'm just getting in the game.
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Diana
I'm just getting ahead.
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Robert Perry Crews
Yeah, got to be practicing. Well, we hope everyone's had a nice holiday season and enjoyed the new year. We're recording this before the new year because this episode is coming out either on Christmas Day or it's coming out on New Year's Day, depending on how you're listening to it. So, surprise. We didn't record on either of those holidays. We tried to get a little ahead and take some time off. So we're recording a little before the holiday break, so we don't know how it went. Maybe our presents were all terrible and Our New Year's resolutions were disastrous. We just don't know yet.
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Jackie
Rob.
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Robert Perry Crews
What?
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Jackie
The holidays are not about presents. They're about presents. Right. Okay, so presents are terrible. As long as you're with people you love, it doesn't matter.
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Robert Perry Crews
Well, maybe one of those people came and they got, like, really drunk and started going on, like, a rant about the current political climate or something fun. Who knows? We hope that didn't happen.
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Diana
And also, gift.
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Jackie
Yeah, And I also am hoping our news resolutions didn't stink on January 1st, because that's the day you make them. So.
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Robert Perry Crews
Hope I gave up podcasting for the new year. Oh, crap. I'm already here.
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Jackie
Yeah, I hope that that doesn't happen to you.
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Robert Perry Crews
No, I know at least one or two listeners that probably wouldn't care, but I. I like doing it, so I. I hope that won't come true. Anywho, what do we got coming up the rest of January? So we made our resolutions, which are to be determined, and then you have your. What's yours? What's yours again? Jay, you might. I feel like you already did this. In the December preview, you talked about your resolutions.
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Jackie
I always have my resolutions. It's December. As a time to reflect on my year, how I did on my old resolutions, because I usually make them all. But this one, this year, I did not. For extraneous factors that I could be on that were beyond my control.
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Robert Perry Crews
Tis a poor craftsman, blames their tools. Jackie.
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Jackie
I have two. I did not. So one of them, if you remember, last January, one of my resolutions was to do a handstand unassisted.
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Robert Perry Crews
And I thought you did that.
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Jackie
Well, I can do it assisted, but the problem is, I don't actually have a wall in my house that I can practice on, so I had to go outside and practice on the garage. And so it's a little harder now that it's cold. And. And so that one night, yeah, it's cold and icy, so I can go for, like, a few seconds. But that wasn't, like, ultimately the goal. Right. I wanted to, like, be powerful in the handstand, so I'm just moving it over to the following year. And the other one, if you remember, was doing Canine Good Citizen with my new dog, Dash, but. And I signed them up for Multiple Canine Good Citizens, but then they all got rescheduled or canceled. So that one is also moving into the next year.
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Robert Perry Crews
That one. That one's not your fault. I blame them.
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Jackie
Me, too.
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Robert Perry Crews
Their resolution to have classes failed.
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Jackie
Is he ready? No. 100% no. But I'm going to blame that. It's not me.
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Robert Perry Crews
There's no way to know. They canceled the class, right? All right, you do. We don't do a lot of resolutions here. I'm not a big fan of resolutions. I prefer to just sort of decide something sounds like a good idea, and then I'm better at reminding myself of, you know what? If you want to do that, that's important. And if you don't feel like it today, that's okay, too. And that tends to work better than, like, I have to meet my resolution, in which case I just feel like a failure the first time I mess it up. And then I'm like, I don't do this anymore, and I quit, which is bad, bad habit. So I've. I've changed that habit, but I didn't make it a resolution. I just did it for fun.
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Jackie
Good job.
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Diana
I. I think the term resolution, like, sets you up for failure, right? So. But I do think it is nice to make goals for yourself. So last year, as many may recall, my goal was to make a temperature blanket over the course of the year. And I. At the date of recording, I'm almost done. It's not finished yet. It's kind of natural to, you know, lag behind a few days. But I will get it done. I anticipate it will be done during the month of January, and I will make sure to let everybody about that. I have learned a lot about myself through the process. One thing I have learned is that it is a nice mindful activity because you have to do it every day or every so often. You have to keep track every day of what the temperature was, and it's like a good kind of grounding activity. The other thing I learned is that it was too big of a project for me and that I got really bored with it because it's just the same thing over and over again about halfway through the year. But I am seeing it out. But I am more excited this year to, like, start doing different projects. And I did learn more about crochet, so I feel more confident in my crocheting ability since then. In the upcoming year, my goal is to drink more water.
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Robert Perry Crews
That's always good. Water's always good. All right, so we resolved that we'll have some podcasts coming up next week. What will they be, though?
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Diana
We have a bunch in this month, so.
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Robert Perry Crews
It's a long month.
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Diana
Yeah, January has, like, a lot happening. I think it's a 4. 4 Wednesday month, right?
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Robert Perry Crews
Too many Wednesdays.
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Diana
No, I mean, sorry. It's a five Wednesday month because this is released on the. On January 1st, which is a Wednesday, and then there's four more after that. Additionally, it is our quarterly release of last year's previously vaulted Patreon Book Club. So that.
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Robert Perry Crews
That's in February. We have the new book club.
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Diana
Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, my bad. Okay.
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Robert Perry Crews
There's a book club regardless.
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Diana
Okay. There is a book club coming out, and that is only for the patrons because it's the new one that we just recorded.
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Robert Perry Crews
Yes. But we have a special treat if you're listening on the free feed. Okay, well, so it'll be coming out early in the month. I think we had an exact date, but we still got some. The final edits to go into it. But we did a book club on the Science of Consequences by Dr. Susan Schneider. And so every quarter we do a book club, and sometimes we. Usually it's a book club with the three of us and our book club guy, Alan Haberman. And we discuss the book at length. And it's about two hours. And if you're subscribed on our Patreon feed at the $10 up level, you can listen to that immediately upon release. You get two free CES for listening to it. And we usually have a preview to go on the main feed that's sort of, you know, like the first, like 30 or so minutes. But we have a special treat because we were able to work it out. We've, we have had the chance to talk to some of the authors of some of the books we've done before, but usually it's, you know, like a couple months after we've done the book club, so we can't put them together. But we thought ahead. I emailed ahead and I was able to have just an awesome conversation with Dr. Schneider, and we were able to put it together at the same time so it all, all the, all the ducks were in a row. So everyone is going to get to hear that discussion with Dr. Schneider as part of the preview. But if you want to get CES for listening, you're going to have to either wait a whole year till we release it, like in February 2026, I guess, or you'll have to subscribe on the Patreon. Again, that's not to force your hand or anything like that, but again, we want to give you some of it. But again, that is just one of the perks of, of joining there because the book club's kind of an extra to go along with everything. And I haven't seen the final count because we do have to do some editing and usually all of our recordings have lots of, you know, goof them ups and jokery that, you know, doesn't. Doesn't make it into the final episode. But I think it's going to be.
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Diana
Like, hopefully that won't.
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Robert Perry Crews
I mean, you know, yeah, they're all serious and boring when. No, we, we have fun. But, you know, there's fun and then there's. This tangent has gone on for like five or 10 minutes and we need to bring it back. So some of that's not going to make it in the final cut, but I believe it's going to be a 2.5 CE. So if you were thinking like, I do like ABS track, I do kind of like the book clubs, but I have an okay way. It's all right. This might be the month that you go to patreon.com aba inside track and join up because that's going to be a mega, A mega episode. Again.
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Diana
Can you say that in a New Zealand Amiga.
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Robert Perry Crews
Amiga episode.
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Diana
Thank you.
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Robert Perry Crews
And if, again, if you, you want to wait, you just want to hear the Preview, just hear Dr. Schneider talk about the book and then read it yourself and then a year from now, listen to what we thought about it to totally fine. We, we don't mind. We love that we can share this information. We just love being able to do the show. However, if you were thinking about it, this might be the month to do it. That'll also give you all the rest of the book clubs coming out. We have two, two more coming out this year and then we have, you know, certainly the listener choice episodes as well coming out every quarter. So there's a lot of reasons to join, but that would be like a real one to hopefully get, get your foot in the door and, and, and try it out. But that will be coming out at the beginning of the month. Ish. Again, I don't have the exact date, but it'll. So we usually drop those on like a. Either Friday or Monday, either the first or second week of the month. What else do we have, Diane in our regular episode?
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Diana
That's the plan, Stan. In addition to that, there's four more episodes.
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Robert Perry Crews
Oh my goodness.
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Diana
I know. It's a, it's a heavy month. We took some nice time off in December so that we were ready for this. So first up is an episode I know people have been waiting with bated breath to hear about, which is the episode where we three discuss the matching law. I'm going to Call them all in friend style. The episode where we talk about the Matching law. You know, this is a topic that is kind of scary for people, including us. But.
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Robert Perry Crews
But we are brave.
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Diana
We were brave. We reviewed the research and now you all get to hear about it. So there are three articles that we will talk about in that episode and they include the Matching A Tutorial for Practitioners that was by Reed and Kaplan and published in Behavior analysis in practice 2011. Also, the matching Law Provides a Quantitative Description of Social Time Allocation in Children with Autism by Morris and Vollmer, published in Java 2022. And finally, generality of the Matching Law as a Descriptor of Shot Selection in basketball by Al, Frank, Critchfield, Hit, and Higgins. And that was in Java 2009.
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Robert Perry Crews
One of those articles broke me a little bit, but which one? Well, you'll have to listen to find out.
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Diana
Not because it's not a good article, as will be discussed in the episode.
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Robert Perry Crews
I had a. I had a rant. If you were like, Rob doesn't rant as much as he used to. Oh well, hold on to episode 297.
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Diana
Okay, after that we have a Grab Bag episode. We try to do those quarterly as well. And that in those an article is randomly chosen, slash given. That's the bit to each of us. And we talk about it. But the articles are not necessarily thematically related to one another. So we have three that we'll talk about in that episode and they include Effects of a Technology Based Self Management Intervention on Social Media Use in a College Student by Megan, Ganadu, Hor and Campos. And that was in Behavior analysis and practice 2024. Also all for one and one for all the Good Inclusion Game by Graham, Keenan and Dillenberger. That was in Behavioral Interventions 2024. And finally, using a Brief Experimental Analysis for Writing Speed Intervention Identification by Schmidt, Krantz, King, Vetter, and Maruska. And that was in Behavioral Interventions 2024. After that, we have another full episode for you all. We're going to talk about Collaborative problem solving or the CPS model as you may have heard of it. And there are several articles we're going to talk about here as well as some resources. This is a really interesting topic and one that I think our listeners will be excited to hear about if they don't already know about this. So we are going to review the following A transactional model of oppositional behavior underpinnings of the Collaborative problem solving approach. I feel like a colon would have been helpful there, but that's by Green, Ablon and Goring and published in the Journal of Psychosomatic Research 2003. It pairs well with effectiveness of collaborative problem solving and effectively dysregulated children with oppositional defiant disorder. Initial findings that one was by Green, Ablon, Goring, Razor, Blakely, Markey, Hennin, Edwards and Rabbit. And that was in the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 2004.
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Robert Perry Crews
That's the, that's a gravy article though.
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Diana
Yeah, it's like an extra. Well, we'll talk about it when we get there. Next up, an open trial of collaborative problem solving in a naturalistic outpatient setting by Polastri, Wang, Eddie and Avalon. And that was in the Clinical Child psychology and psychiat 2023. So bringing it up to speed. And then finally de implementing a point and level system in youth residential care without increased safety risk. A case study by Sto, Hartman, Paxton, Wang, Ablon, Perry and Pastri and that was published in Residential Treatment for Children and Youth 2023. And some other resources be in there too.
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Robert Perry Crews
But we'll, we'll give you the, the website I found they, I, I, I think they're a nice visual. So we'll have link, I mean we'll have links to the, to the website where a lot of this is being published because a lot of it comes actually out of Mass General here in Massachusetts.
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Diana
It's local. Okay. And then we, so that if you were counting, that was episodes 297. Oh, I, oh, I didn't do it. The, the episode where we talk about the matching law. 298 the episode where we do a grab bag. And 299 the episode where we talk about collaborative problem solving. Which brings us up, if you've been counting to episode number 300. Oh my goodness. It's episode 300. Can you believe it?
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Robert Perry Crews
We did. No, it felt like it took forever to get here.
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Diana
It did a little bit feel like that.
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Robert Perry Crews
So not like the pod, but like it felt like we were so close to 300. We were like 281. And it was like why it's gotta be next week. Right? That's how math works.
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Diana
Takes a while though to get through the episodes. So yeah. So for episode 300, if you were on social media, then you've seen that we've posted a few things about it. But we thought it would be fun to do a live recording. So we've invited folks if you are in the area to come see us in person. We're going to be, we are very generously hosted by the Regis College campus to come. We're going to do our live recording for episode number 300, which we're titling funpocalypse there. If you're coming in person, it's on.
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Robert Perry Crews
That's not the title of the episode.
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Diana
Thursday, January 9th from 5 to 7pm Eastern Time. If you can't and you need to RSVP on the Eventbrite link that we have. But if you can't come in person, you will still get to be able to hear the episode later. Not at that time. It's not a live cast. It will be released at the very end of January as a regular episode as well. So the topic of that one is vaccines do not cause autism. And this is I think a really important topic and one that I told everyone. I was like, I could just do this right now on my own. So we have a lot to say about this topic and it's one that I really want behavior analysts to be well versed in. So there are several articles that fit in with this discussion and they are as follows. What Every Behavior Analyst Should Know about the MMR Causes Autism Hypothesis that was by Ahern and published in Behavior analysis in practice 2010. Also finding more Constructive Ways Forward in the Debate over Vaccines with Increased Disability Cultural Competence by Alvic Harju and published in Medical Humanities 2023 how the case against the MMR Vaccine was fixed by Deer and published in the British Medical Journal.
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Robert Perry Crews
They just want to be cited as the bmj. I had bmj. I had a hard time finding the exact like CIT because I thought it was British Medical journalist. Just the BMJ. That's what they want to be cited as.
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Diana
Okay, 2011. And finally, vaccines are Not Associated with Autism. An evidence based meta analysis of case control and cohort studies by Taylor, Swordfiger and Eslich and that was published in.
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Robert Perry Crews
Vaccine See Follow the money folks. 2014 published in Vaccine. That's the name of the journal.
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Diana
Stop it.
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Robert Perry Crews
Of course.
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Diana
Stop it. All right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so that's the plan there. If you get, if you can, we're going to have fun in person together. We'd love to see you. We'll have some, some snacks there. We'll have some games hopefully and hang out and then we'll do the podcast recording as well. So please RSVP if you're interested. If you can't come in person, it will not be streamed live, but you can listen to it and it's recorded Podcast release later in January.
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Robert Perry Crews
Just be a normal boring episode, as far as you can tell, but it won't be boring. Just like none of our episodes are ever boring.
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Diana
Backpedal, Backpedal.
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Robert Perry Crews
I, I don't know. That sounded funnier in my head and I said, like, why am, why am making fun of our podcast, the 300 of these things.
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Diana
We should be proud. We are proud. Thank you for being our listeners for 300 episodes as well, or however many you've been here. Maybe just this one, who knows? But, yeah, that's the plan.
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Robert Perry Crews
All right, well, let's move into the errata section of the show where we talk about other things kind of going on and what better way to celebrate errata and then continue patting ourselves on the back for 300 episodes this month. Then by thinking back, then by thinking back to some fun moments, you know, each of us sharing a fun moment from the past 300. So it doesn't need to be a time. We made a mistake in the past 300 episodes, which is less fun, but just something we remember from the early days of doing this podcast for nine, almost nine years now. As if you listen to us and Matt Chicoyer from Behavioral Observations on our year end podcast the other week, we did sort of mention the age of all of our shows, but we thought, let's, let's take a trip back down memory lane. Does anyone want to, anyone want to start off with a memory from the show?
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Jackie
Rob?
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Robert Perry Crews
I will. I would love to start off. Thank you so much, Jackie. So one of the things that I remember because one of the things you learn over 300 plus and we've done more than 300 episodes, folks. We've done 300 plus, 16 book clubs, plus the preview episodes. But one of the things I remember, it's a bonus episode. We got like 36 bonus episodes. So we, we've done, we, we've done a lot of episodes at this point, but in terms of main episodes on point on the, you know, the, the format of the show, 300. I know. One of the things I remember is when we first started, it was the idea of how many could we do in a month? Because the idea of doing something weekly was hard for our schedules. And the idea of what if we just do one a month seemed like death in terms of how many people are listening to podcasts, because at the time we did not know that everyone would be stuck at home listening and making their own podcasts for like a year and a half. We didn't, we didn't see that coming. This was pre.
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Diana
Then started in 2016.
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Robert Perry Crews
We started 2016, and the idea of if you start a podcast and you do it once a month, then you're not going to be able to get an audience because it's just. It's too far. People will forget you exist. You need to be constantly churning out content. So we came up with the idea, well, we could do two a month, and in between, we'll do a preview, just like we're doing now. Except we weren't really sure what that meant. We'd sort of just like, say the episodes and then talk for a few minutes. And they were like five or 10 minutes long. They weren't that long, which was great because I still edited the show back then. But one of the things that I do, I do sort of miss because we used to try to do videos of those. We're like, we'll do videos because I think you're supposed to do video, right? We were. We were trying to learn this stuff as we went along, and we would do videos and after a while, just videos of us sitting in front of our. At the time, our dining room, which went out to just like a slab of concrete in our. In our backyard. We had this really great orange curtain for many, many years. That was our backdrop forever. So we were. We decided, you know, we should probably do some extra things to make it more interesting, make these videos more interesting. And I know some folks are like, I don't like the bits. I want you to be very serious all the time, but you do 300 podcast episodes and you tell me you don't need to throw some bits in there to liven it up at times. And I distinctly remember one of my favorite bits we ever did was on. I believe it was. It was Empathy, our episode on Empathy, and we had a puppet. We did a puppet bit. I think Diana, you were the puppet. You were under the table and you were doing a puppet. And I was really proud of that one. That just felt like we really were thinking of some other ways to kind of add to the show. However, it took a long time to edit videos, and I don't think anyone else but us cared. So now we just sort of do the audio. The audio podcast video versions, which is not as exciting, but certainly doesn't take as much time. But there was that moment where we really had no idea what we were doing with our preview episodes and would just. Anything worked. And I kind of miss that. Those early days of let's just do crap and it's going to be fun and no one's listening. So who Cares. There's something I do like that people are listening more now. But still, there's something fun about the idea that this show is all about what we want to do for ourselves. And let's do a funny puppet bit. So that's one of my. One of my favorite memories from the past 300.
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Jackie
One of mine was in our first, like, two or three episodes, we talked about parent training, and I was not pregnant yet. And I was like, I'm never gonna have kids. Kids are the worst. I can't believe that people have kids. You should just roll them around in dirt and stick eggs in their ears so they don't have allergies. And then, like, just a few short episodes later, I was pregnant and that changed. But I like that that is forever, like, melded in. In the podcast that I was like, I'm never having children.
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Robert Perry Crews
It was a real runner for a long time.
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Jackie
Yeah, it was. So anyway, that was my.
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Robert Perry Crews
Ah, the old. The old days of not having children.
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Diana
One of my best memories is when we did the live trivia for the first time at the little brewery. That was so fun.
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Robert Perry Crews
Hudson Ground effect.
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Jackie
Yeah, it's no longer.
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Diana
I don't think they survived the pandemic, unfortunately. No, the. The brewery, not. Not the owner. Yeah. But we, like, they let us rent the space for free. And we invited people and we had everyone. Like, a lot of people came. We had teams. We had like the little bowls with the pretzels and the goldfish. Just like they do it like other trivia nights. And Rob hosted. And you did a great job. And it was really fun. It was really fun. Again, like, it. I feel like it adds to the nostalgic. So it was like a pre pandemic type of thing where, like, it was before we took for granted that we could even do those types of things. And I feel like only now, like, honestly, like, only now. Are you kind of getting back to that, like, oh, yeah, let's. Let's do a thing type of approach. Right. Which is why we're just now again, doing, I think, a live thing. It's been so long that was. It's been at least five or six years ago that we did that. But it was, I think, a great memory.
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Robert Perry Crews
Yeah. And I remember afterwards it was tough because, like, oh, booking places is never going to be that easy. And it never has been.
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Diana
Nope.
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Robert Perry Crews
And then one of the positives of everything shutting down was like, well, I guess I don't have to try to do that anymore because there's nowhere to go.
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Diana
Right. But it did. It felt special. It was really nice to, like, have that aspect of physical community, even if now I think we appreciate that a lot more than maybe we did at the time. But I will always hold on to that as a good memory.
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Robert Perry Crews
Yeah. Activities like that. It reminds me, we did our episode on public speaking, our follow up on public speaking. And I, I think it's Pat Fryman advice that it's never about getting rid of all your fear about speaking in public. It's about being able to speak in public even though you are scared or anxious. And it is funny how different it is to do those live performances. Even we do live, like podcasts things maybe at conferences, or we've done trivia since then. There's always that anxiety after having done 300 episodes where it's like, we could. I mean, we. We joke about it. Like, we could sit down and be like, all right, let's all read these articles real fast. And then let's do an episode. Bam. We've just gotten so fast at it. We're so efficient at like, let's get the information, disseminate what we think's important, share our own professional opinions, and bam. That's an episode. Right. It just feels like we can do it in our sleep after so many repetitions. But when you suddenly take that action and put it in front of people, it's such a different. Such a different experience. And there's always that. That nerve, like people are watching me do this as opposed to when we do it in our. In our studio where it's, you know, it's just us watching ourselves. Those are good memories. What good memories we have. Oh, well, that's enough back patting. Let's move into emails. Do we have any emails of other people having memories of podcasts they listened to and then wrote an email about?
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Jackie
Yeah, actually, we have one. It is an email from Amy Book spam. And she wrote the article that we re. That we referenced in November on behavioral artistry. And we do actually have an errata because we referenced that article at one point as the leaf article. And yes. While he was an author on it. She is the first author. So I just wanted to apologize profusely for that because I also would be slightly annoyed.
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Diana
Yeah, very sorry.
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Jackie
Right.
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Diana
I may have done that and. Sorry.
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Jackie
No, it's hard.
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Robert Perry Crews
It feels like me. I. I kind of remember saying something like, it was the leaf. I was. And everyone else. Like, I just could not. I couldn't pull out the. The first author fast enough. And as much as I Sometimes will tell guests like don't worry, we have an editor. So if you can't remember something, just ask us to wait. I never remember that. Own advice for myself of like wait, I could just stopped and looked it up. So I'm, I'm worried it was me. So I will also apologize either as.
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Jackie
A group, that sucks and I'm sad that we did that and we're apologizing here. But on a, on a more positive note, she is taking some. She's currently doing a review right now, a follow up study. It's in review for publication in which they attempt to cover all of the questions that we had about wanting more in terms of social validity, idiosyncra, idiosyncratic definitions and such. So I'm pretty excited to read that. And I told her that as soon as that's out, we would love to have her come on the show and talk about it. And I did want to give for sure. Yeah. And to give her some self promotion. She just started a new podcast called Skinner's Locker Room. And the podcast explores human behavior as it relates to sports, performance, wellness and health. And so they're interviewing athletes and researchers. So that sounds kind of fun to listen to.
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Diana
Awesome.
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Jackie
In health and wellness. And so I think that would be so cool to do. So that was something that I wanted to bring up. So thanks Amy for writing in and we can't wait for you to be on the show in the near future. And then we had another listener, Laney, who wrote in and said that she really enjoys the podcast because it's easy for her to get CEUs on maternity leave. So.
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Robert Perry Crews
Cool.
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Jackie
But shouldn't you on maternity leave, Laney, I'm just kidding.
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Diana
You gotta maintain that certification.
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Jackie
You really do. And so yeah. So those are our two listeners for. For the month of January as you ride into 2025.
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Robert Perry Crews
Beautiful. It's so nice. We love, we still love getting emails. You can always email us@abainsidetrackmail.com or you can send us a message on any of the platforms we're on. And I think that's about gonna wrap us up.
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Diana
I have one more note.
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Robert Perry Crews
Please share one more Note.
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Diana
Starting in 2025, the BACB would like for you to collect cultural CEUs as well.
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Robert Perry Crews
So if only there was a place you could get cultural CEUs and they were labeled really clearly on the website. I wish.
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Diana
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's what I was gonna say is that we have cultural CEUs. They had previously been branded specifically IBAO cultural CEUs but we have since updated that so that it reflects that there also be a CB cultural CEUs as those are now something that folks need. And whenever, whenever you need them, they're going to be there. I'll just say it that way. So yeah, you should check it out that if you go to the previous episodes page on our website, there is already a section there called Cultural and they anyone's listed in there would be available for BACB cultural CEUs as well.
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Robert Perry Crews
Excellent.
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Jackie
Awesome.
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Diana
I have one. I don't know. There's several in there. 10 or 10 or so. Yeah.
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Jackie
And then the last thing that I wanted to bring up, Rob, is that we're going to be trying out a new thing in the year 2025, either January or February, depending on how quickly I can get it out. But we're going to be implementing a newsletter and we'll be sending it out to our listeners and we'll have topics about the preview, things that we find interesting for the month, many and maybe upcoming events, you know, some fun memes, some people that should just have like.
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Diana
Pet pictures and recipes.
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Jackie
Well, we could do that too.
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Diana
Right?
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Jackie
We could have like a pet corner and a recipe corner. I'm into it. As long as.
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Diana
Right. Projects.
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Jackie
Yeah. But yeah, so that's something that we are considering and so hopefully that will be out in 2025 sometime. So check your emails.
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Robert Perry Crews
Awesome. And because I don't want to be left out, I also remembered something that we discussed and I forgot to mention. We didn't announce who won our listener choice poll for our winter episode. So we should do that. And now as we're, as we're wrapping up and then we'll we'll summarize it all. So we do a quarterly poll for listeners who are subscribed@patreon.com ABA unsubTrack and you can be subscribed at any level. There's even a free tier if that's where you want to get your podcast and you want to be a part of that, you can, you can vote right there. And we had a three way tie this time of the three topics. And so we had a discussion and based on some factors that we actually talked about at length in our end of year or Our Year in Aba 2024 bonus episode from last week with Match Coria. We decided since it was a tie, we just would do a tiebreaker. And we chose well, we chose from the winning options how to creating Token Economies and Procedural Integrity Systems. So we have some articles that are sort of a nice kind of meta meta reviews or best practice reviews that we will just be going through and then adding our own two cents in as well. So that will be coming out in February, but just wanted to let everyone know that that was the winning topic. So newsletter winning topic on how to creating to how to. Maybe that's a header we'll use in the future about token economies, Procedural integrity system, Tutorial, Tutorial. We'll come up with a title. It'll be fun.
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Diana
How about Tutorial like T O o.
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Robert Perry Crews
Oh well, let's let's workshop it off the air. We hope people steal these great ideas. So we have that and the newsletter legit. And then certainly our live episode. Sorry, our live recording coming out. And again, there's a link in the podcast description here, but it's at Eventbrite. You can look up ABN setrac and we will be there. So that brings us to the end of our preview. We'll see you next week with all of our upcoming episodes and our book club and all that good stuff. But until then, keep responding. Bye.