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Hey, everybody. Welcome to ABA Inside Track, the podcast that's like reading in your car, but safer. I'm your host, Robert Perry Crews, and with me, as always, are my fabulous co hosts.
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Oh, my gosh. Hey, it's Jackie.
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What's up with your mic? I don't know.
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It got hot mess over here. Okay, we're there.
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There, you got your screen on. You should have made a lot of P sounds in the meantime.
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And it's me, Diana. Hello.
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Oh, boy. Well, I'm very excited to talk about behavior analysis and behavior analytic research with all of you because typically on our show, we pick a relevant research topic and discuss the relevant research articles on that topic. Unless it's the beginning of the month, which, hey, guess what it is. This is our June 2026 preview. So if you're listening on the free feed, you're going to get to hear about some of the fun summer plans we're going to be kicking off. If you're one of our patrons, though, guess what? You're hearing this at the end of May so you can prepare your summer vacation even better. One of the great reasons to be a patron, because you just want to be able to know what podcast will I be listening to on my great vacation? I want to know what episodes are coming out. So we're going to be talking about what's coming out in June. We're going to be doing a fun discussion of some. Some book club topics, maybe read a couple emails or notes and then just, you know, shoot the breeze for a little bit in this nice, pleasant summer themed preview episode before all the fun really begins next week. So does anyone have any fun summer plans?
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Not this year. Next year, though, we're planning on taking an RV around to national parks. Oh, that's fun for a few weeks, but not this year. This year we're poor.
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That's next year you'll be rich.
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But, well, next year. We're saving money for next year. That's what the summer is.
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Jackie, I don't know. Unless you've been investing in data centers. I don't. I don't know if rich is what anyone's going to be.
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I know it's true.
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Even if you invest in data centers, you might actually be in bad shape. Diana, how about you? What are you planning for summer? I'm really curious because I'll probably do whatever you're doing.
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We don't have any, like, huge plans that I recall, but your cousin from Denmark is coming, so. So we don't have to travel, but we're getting to hang out in that way. And then we're going to go. We're going to go east. We're going to go west, but not too far. We're going to stay within Massachusetts, as far as I know. Oh, no. There is something that I want to do that I don't know if you know about.
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Oh, what is it?
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So in New Hampshire, in Concord, New Hampshire, they have an old Fashioned Pizza Hut.
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I want to go. Want to go.
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Yeah. Okay. Okay. Well, Jackie can also come, but it. They don't have. It's not like, fully like, they don't have, like, the cool, like, Tiffany lamps anymore, but everything else supposedly is the same. And so I'm going to try again to have the kids do the. Book it.
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Yeah.
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And then we're going to go to Concord, New Hampshire, and go to that Pizza Hut and get personal pan.
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There's also one in New Jersey. I read a whole New York Times article.
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I didn't read that, but I do some research. Yeah, but that's the closest one that is like, mostly I don't know if I want to go to New Jersey maybe.
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Yeah, we'll see.
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Shorter Concord.
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Yes. You know, there's also. I think it's in Maine. I haven't checked where it is in Maine. There's also a moxie soda festival.
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Oh, my.
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That I kind of.
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Oh, my.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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Yeah. So we haven't. I haven't fully made our. Our summer plans.
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Well, fortunately for us, there was always. There was talk of maybe. Maybe a Canada trip, because we haven't ever taken our kids to Canada, and that's a place we've gotten sometimes. And we needed to renew our passports, and thank goodness we did, because if you haven't renewed your passport, you may have a fun president's face on your passport. I was so terrified when I heard the news that they might be updating the passports. I was like, oh, God, I just put in my application. If I'd known they were going to change it, I would have canceled it.
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You mean you would have waited.
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We got ours. It only took like a week for us to get ours back. It was super fast. So as mad as I am in our administration, you know, the State Department got their act together for passports look terrible. Our pictures are terrible.
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Yeah.
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Oh, mine are so bad. Sylvie literally looks like she's in prison.
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I don't know why they always look
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like you look like you're on the run. Right? Yeah. That's the picture they're gonna put on the news.
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And the hair, like, her hair is, like, swept back, so she must have, like, just gotten out of the bath or something. So she literally looks greasy and like
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she has killed someone. Yeah, I think they all look like that.
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Well, they let us upload our own pictures to renew, which was really cool, except it was surprisingly impossible to find a wide enough wall to put behind us. That wall would not have been white enough. Dinah pointed at our recording studio. While that is a.
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It's cream desert.
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It's Paul Revere gray.
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Paul Revere.
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Yeah.
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Definitely white at all.
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You're right.
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So, you know, I don't know if you've never seen a picture of Diana and I. We are translucent. So when you're up against a white for yourself back. Okay, sorry. Diana's tan like George Hamilton. I'm very white. And when I'm up against a white background and taking a terrible digital photograph to put in a passport, it's like you can't even see I'm there. I don't know.
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Made these eyes. You made some crazy eyes.
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I. You know what? I was just going with my feel, which is I don't want to be taking a picture in the one like a swatch of white. We. We have in our house, but only sometimes.
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We have a Volo out for Massachusetts couple Robert and Diana Perry crew.
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They haven't committed a crime, but their picture makes us think they will.
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All right, so a lot of plans.
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A lot of plans.
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Fleeing to Canada.
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We record this. Yeah, we record this ahead of time. So if we fled to Canada or been arrested for bad passport photos, you'll still get episodes in your. In your podcast feed for quite some time.
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You'll never even know.
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You won't even notice the difference. But Dynamo, what episodes can people expect this month?
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Okay, so for June, we have some exciting stuff coming your way. First and foremost, we have our summer grab bag. We. You know, normally the grab bags don't really have themes, but this one does. So it contains all dual diagnosis related articles. Let me tell you the titles of those right now. Functional Analysis and Treatment of Problem Behavior Exhibited by Children with Fragile X Syndrome by Kurt's Chin, Robinson, o' Connor, and Hagopian. And that was published in Research and Developmental Disabilities 2015. Decreasing food stealing of Child with Praderville Syndrome through Function Based Differential Reinforcement. That one is a tricky one for me. I also don't know why it doesn't say a child, but that's by Lambert, Parikh, Stankowitz, Hoochens, Suarez, Morales, Sweeney, and Milam oh, yeah, they're totally missing the A. I guess it was intentional. And that was published in the Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders 2019. Finally, ADHD and female specific A Review of the Literature and Clinical Implications by Nussbaum, published in the Journal of attention disorders 2012. So that's our plan for you for the summer. Grab bag. It will be available for dual diagnosis CES if you need those. Otherwise, it's for learning. I thought you were laughing at me.
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No.
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Okay.
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There's nothing funny about what's coming up on our show. All very serious.
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We also have the summer book club that will be released specifically for patrons on the Patreon feed right now. And then eventually it will be available for everybody else later. If you were on the free feed, you just got access to last summer's Divergent Mind book club.
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You'll get a preview.
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Oh, yeah, you get preview. But if you want Cs, you won't be able to get those yet. But you might want to know what it's actually going to be about. It is about Adventures in Special Education and aba, and that is by Merrill Winston, who will be stopping by to have a convo with Rob about the book. And then book club guy Alan Haberman will also be joining us for our discussion. So that's out if you're a patron. However, the free feed will continue. And next up in that list will be special guest Dr. Catherine Williams, who will be joining us to talk about promoting generalization and discrimination. And a couple articles there related to that which include instruction consisting of a rule and set of examples and non examples reliably teaches concepts.
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The rule is.
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Hey, not sure I said that right?
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No, no, no. It is a. It. It is a very specific title.
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It's one of those titles where it's like, I'm telling you what's happening.
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Yep.
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Yeah. Okay. And that's by Williams and Roop, published in. Oh, it's a jab Journal of Experimental Analysis of Behavior. Hopefully we're ready.
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Oh, that explains 2025 so much. I'm. I just started preparing for that one. Just a little behind the scenes. That explains some things.
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Yeah. And don't forget, she has delivered us two JAB articles. The second one is using must have and can have features to improve conceptual learning. I'm excited. I haven't read that yet. By Williams, St. Peter, Peron, Aguilar, Cederberg, Gregerson and Richardson. That's also in jab and it's also in 2025.
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Oh, I feel better, though, because I was Reading it and feeling a little. Some of the stimuli descriptions were leaving me feeling a little dumb, so. But now that I know it's in jab, I'm like, oh, no, I mostly understood it. I. I feel brilliant now.
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Okay, very good. And then finally, to round out the month of June, we have episode on medical toleration practices. Three articles to go with that across a variety of needed healthcare related skills. And those include training children with autism spectrum disorders to be compliant with a physical exam by Kuvo, Reagan, Ackerland, Huckfeld, and and Kelly. That was in research in autism spectrum disorders 2010. Also, effects of reinforcement without extinction on increasing compliance with nail cutting. A systematic replication by no Nails are not Ross favorite.
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I'm not reading though.
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Dowdy, Tankani, Nipe and Weiss. And that was in Java 2018. And finally, behavioral intervention to increase compliance with electroencephalographic procedures, which is EEGs in children with developmental disabilities. You didn't think I was going to be able to do that.
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I know you did.
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Okay.
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I wouldn't have been able to play either.
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By Slier, Avis and Frie. And that was in EP. Epilepsy Behavior. That's the journal. Yeah. 2008. Yeah. All right. So that's what's happening. Lots going on in the month of June.
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Excellent. All right, four releases or not for everybody, but. Well, four releases. Everyone will get four releases. It's just a question of how long one of those releases.
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True, true.
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Okay, great. Well, I'm excited for June. And speaking of excited and speaking of book clubs, we did this last year and I thought it went really nicely because one of the problems with reading books is they're long and we need a little bit more time to prep them. I think we do. I'm. I've been very proud of our book clubs and at various times we've talked about adding shows, getting rid of the shows, stopping this type of episode, that type. But I feel like we've always to
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Canada, fleeing to Canada.
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We've always come back to really liking doing the book club episodes. But reading books is. Dinah gave a little shrug. Just so you know, Jackie specifically has told me how much he loves book club.
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That's true. I do, actually.
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Alan loves book club and I love books. Three out of four of us, maybe Diana is the least interested in book club. She loves a research article.
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I'm in a lot of book clubs. I also feel like books are like personal.
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You are in this book club first, so you tell the other book clubs. Pound sand. All right. The ABA and sidetracked book club. It's where it's at. But we spent a lot of time reading the books. We spent a lot of time thinking about, we're going to say, discussing the books and to make sure that we have enough time. Because unlike articles where we sort of, you know, our normal episode prep, we either have read some of the articles or we're reading them, it's a little bit faster turnaround, especially if it's an episode we know about when we have a guest. It can be a little, sometimes a little easier, sometimes a little harder, depending on the topic, you know, but we kind of know how long those take. Books take a long time to read. Books take a long time to take notes on and then discuss. So last year we decided, let's just figure out what our books are for the whole year. Because we all have very different schedules as to when I can just sit down and read a book. For me, summer is a great time. So if I know we're reading, I can knock out two book clubs over the summer and be prepared and then do a review later. But I can't necessarily. Not everyone can do that.
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So we don't all have summer off.
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We don't.
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We all bring it up every single summer.
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I know, but we did this last year and I think it was very helpful for making sure we got everything done on time and still feeling very thorough. But we are going to put out our book club poll, and unlike our listener choice polls, which are once a quarter, we are going to put out every single book option in one giant poll. You get to vote on all of the books. You get to vote on as many books as you want to hear us talk about, but the ones that have the most votes are the four that we are going to be covering. Now, we did try to do something a little different this year. And in that rather than just saying, everybody pick a book, you, you know, not you, you, you, you get to vote on the books. You don't get to pick what the options are. Sorry, listeners, but Jackie and Diana and me and Alan all pick four books. But rather than just say pick four books about whatever, we kind of try to do four categories. I'm not sure how good I'm going to be with making the poll do that, but I'm going to note what categories they are. We're not going to force anyone to do this, but we'd appreciate it if people tried to pick their favorite book from each category. So we don't just do four supervision books or just do four books on one of the other categories we have. Otherwise we have to go back and like, we might have to do some messing with the numbers if it doesn't quite work out. But, you know, it's fun to try different things and it's fun to read books that people really want to hear us talk about. So what books do we have? And hopefully Alan is going to be able to. He was not able to join us today, but he's hopefully going to send us a little bit preview of his books. So it's not just us telling you, telling you what they are because we want to describe why we picked these books a little bit.
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I don't remember.
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Well, you can make up a reason, Jackie, and then maybe people will pick your book. So we each picked a super vision book. We each picked a book which we would consider instructional and that it will tell you how to do something pretty specifically. We each picked a book about education and then we just picked a book that we thought would be kind of fun for us. Like a book. I just want to read that book and talk about it. Therefore it's on the list.
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Or miscellaneous.
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Yeah, or miscellaneous. Fun for us. Sounds more fun, though.
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My book's not fun.
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Well, then you should have picked a different book. In any case, what does it matter? Wow. Diana's True Color is about book club really coming through today. So supervision. We've got. Each of us picked a book about supervision so that we can do it for supervision. September. So everyone picked a book. There we go. Who would like to go first with their.
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I'll go first. I picked Behavioral Consulting and Supervision for last by Latel or by Mayer et al. And I chose that book because I'm looking for a new supervision textbook to supplement the one I'm using. And so win, win for me.
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Is this a actual textbook?
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It's ish. Yeah, it's a textbookish.
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Oh, please don't vote for that, everybody. That sounds very long.
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It's not that long, I don't think.
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Okay. Diana, what about you?
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I chose who Moved My Cheese by Spencer Johnson because that is a classic in the field. We've never discussed it. And it's supposed to be told like a little, like parable, basically about two little mice. And so it's so cute.
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I want yours to win. Quick read. I want yours to win.
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All right. I picked what Got yout Here Won't get you There by Marshall Goldsmith and Mark Ryder. It was a book that was recommended by, I believe, John. Dr. John Austin on a bab I think it's like a Babbitt. The Babbitt fully virtual Covid year. He'd recommended that as a good supervision book or at least had cited it. So I've had it in my office for many years, and I've tried to get it on the show a couple times, and this year felt like the year for it. It really goes on about the idea of how you can't just be good at supervising because you're good at your job, which most of you probably know that, but I never hurts to remind you all. And then I'll do Alan's Choice this time in case. Just in case Alan's four. Four choices don't come through. And Alan's choice is exploring communities of Practice in Further an Adult Education, Apprenticeship, Expertise, and Belonging to by Jonathan Tummons. And this looks really great because I know we've talked recently about communities of Practice in an episode, so I'd love to hear even more about communities of Practice. I believe this was one that got cited in some of the articles we discussed on that recent listener choice episode. But it was a book, so we didn't talk about it yet. So that would be a really fun one to read, too. So four winners, except for the textbook. One that Jackie wants to do. Make her read that on her own time, folks. Ha ha ha. Okay, well, let's move on to our education category. D You want to start. You want to start on this one?
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My pick in this category is Life on the Bridge Linking my world to yours as an autistic therapist.
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Oh.
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It has a long title. A Practice A Practical Insider's Guide to Autism and Communication by Kaylin Partlow, who many people know because she is a relatively famous influencer who's very pro neurodiversity. She's an autistic rbt. She was on Love on the Spectrum. She came to Babbitt a couple years back. And this is. I, you know, spoilers. I already read this book. It's really cool.
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It is really good.
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I read it too. Yeah. And.
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Oh, I see. I see what's going on here.
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Yeah, it has a lot of great insight, and I think that people would. Would want to know about it.
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So are you picking this book because you think if we talk about it and it wins, then we can actually get Caitlin Partlow on the show?
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Honestly, I don't know. She's very busy. Well, I can't. I can't give us. Do not make any. Any type of guarantee regarding that.
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Okay? No promises, folks, but we will try if that one wins, my book we cannot get the guest on because it is a B.F. skinner book.
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I can't believe both of us pick B.F. skinner books.
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I know we got two B.F. skinner books. Mine is the technology of teaching, which if you've ever read any of Skinner's writings on how mortified he has been by the state of the educational system back in like the 40s and 50s. I think we talked about it for Walden too.
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Yeah.
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Then you won't be shocked to know we wrote a whole book about how teaching as is is bad back then. It's not that different in some ways. So I kind of wanted to look at this classic review of what B.F. skinner thinks about improving our teaching procedures. I'm sure some of it is going to be dated, but I won't be surprised if much of it still is very relevant if this one wins.
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And I want you to build your own teaching machine.
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I want that too.
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Like electromechanical.
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I don't know. However you do it.
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I don't know how anyone built anything back then. It's like you had to get a soldering iron.
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All right, do you want to tell Alan's too, since you're still talking?
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Sure. Alan shows Uncommon Sense Teaching Practical Insights in Brain Science to Help Students Learn by Barbara Oakley, Beth Rogowski and Terry Sjnowski. And I. Again, hopefully Alan will be able to give us a little more of his own insight. But I was taking a look real quick at the summary and it seemed like a very kind of updated, kind of modern, cool book in terms of looking at a lot of sort of patterns related to teaching and sort of updates with what we know about learning theory. So again, it'd be very interesting to read more about that.
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Great. Mine was Perspectives of Neurodiversity and Belonging Reflections of Four Behavior Analysis by Kathleen Dwyer and Colleagues. Because I think that's really interesting and relevant. Great in education.
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Beautiful. All right, and now let's move to the instructional category. So these are going to be books that are a little bit more about. Here's how to do something. I'll go first because I haven't gone first yet. Now originally I had said I wanted to do Learning RFT An Introduction to Relational Frame Theory and Its Clinical Application by Nicholas Tornicki. And the look I got on my co host faces was so upsetting that I decided, you know what, there's another book that I want to read. So I'm going to swap that in. And it is. Speaking of, if you listen to our recent episode with Dr. Merrill Winston discussing his book Adventures in Special Education and Applied Behavior Analysis. This author, Steve Ward, is a teacher and bcba. He's mentioned a lot as sort of, this guy writes the best stuff. And so I bought both of the books that were recommended in there, and the one I want to read is what you need to know about motivation and teaching games, an in depth analysis.
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This one looks good.
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The COVID is not. It's a little silly. It is silly, but looking into the book, I love games. I'm a big fan of games and the idea of like teaching games and using motivation as a part of games, I think it's very in line with sort of the stuff I love reading about these days. So that is my choice.
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My choice is the wisdom factor. Reducing the control of bias, threat and fear while building a better world by little. It's got a crazy cover and I think I like the COVID Yeah?
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Yeah. Nice.
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You know you can't judge a book.
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I do, though, just so you know.
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I know it does.
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I'm gonna cough again. Sorry, it's getting late.
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All right. Mine for this category is the Autistic adults Toolbox. Real tools for real Life. Because Just Try harder isn't a strategy by Natalie Diggins. I've not read this book. I just saw it and thought it sounded interesting and cool. So I want to read it.
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Sounds good.
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Yeah.
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And you want to read this. Allen's choice and Alan's choice is acceptance and commitment coaching. Distinctive features by Joe Oliver and John Hill. When I first read that, I was really excited that the book was written by Joe Hill, Stephen King's son, and it was going to be a terrifying look into the world of acceptance and commitment coaching. I haven't read it, so perhaps it is a terrifying look into the dark soul of acceptance of commitment.
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I thought it was gonna be John Oliver and Jonah Hill.
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Oh, you know what? That would also be a. That would be a funny version of. Yeah, my guess is it's somewhere in between. Not too scary, not too funny, but gives us a lot of interesting insight into the realm of acceptance and commitment coaching, which, again, a topic I'm really excited to learn more about. And finally, what are the fun for us? Or if you are a bummer, the miscellaneous category of our books. Donna, why don't you start off?
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Sure. I am recommending Autism's False Prophets by Paul Offit. This book is from, I think 2010, but it is even more relevant now than it was when it was originally written. It follows the whole trajectory from Wakefield through Jenny McCarthy through like the pervasive anti vaccine movement that we see now and how it relates to autism.
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And you've off it talked about this book?
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Yeah, I have. Yeah. It's. It's really good and people should know about it and that's why I want us to talk about it.
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Beautiful. Jackie, how about you?
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I picked Reflections on Behaviorism in Society by B.F. skinner because my husband bought it for me for Valentine's Day.
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So romantic.
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I know. And I was really excited and I've not read. I've read. There's. It's essays and so I've read some of the essays, but not all of them. Okay.
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You guys, you're going to read this together?
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No.
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Oh, okay. So it's not. Not meant to be a romantic gesture.
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No, it was just like this is something that I always. Yeah, it's thoughtful.
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Cool. My choice is a book like some of you. I already read this book as a psychology undergrad and it is the Search for Meaning by Viktor Frankl, which I wasn't sure about in terms of kind of the remit of our show is behavior analysis, but there are so many think piece articles in behavior analysis that refer to the Search for Meaning by Victor Frankl. So I thought, I like the COVID Let's bring it back. Let's. Let's bring back another oldie but a goodie and have some deep philosophical conversations.
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It's not the search, it's man's search.
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Man's search for me. I'm gonna call it the search though, right? Yeah, I. Yeah.
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Anyway, one's search for meaning.
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B
One search for meaning. And then finally Allan's choice is the Extinction of Experience. Being Human in a Disembodied World by Christine Rosen. And I can't. I know we talked about this book at one point, but now I am not remembering if it.
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C
Just feel like it too came up
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B
on a previous book. Maybe it came up on the Divergent Mind Book Club.
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C
I was thinking the same thing. I thought it was the same author, but it's not.
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B
No, I mean, so it must be.
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C
We must have talked about.
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B
Yeah, there are like. Alan, I just brought it up at some time we were discussing some, you know, some other topic. We were just like chatting about something. He's always got a good citation. So that is. That is his choice. The extinction of experience.
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C
Wow, this was a long episode we have going on here.
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B
But wait, there's one more.
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A
Okay, so.
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B
Because I still really want to read Learning rft. I talked to Alan about this and he agreed if learning rft, I'm going to throw it on as a bonus. And if it comes in anywhere in the top four, because I know it's not everyone's cup of tea, Alan and I, and maybe a special guest. We haven't decided yet because we don't even know if it's going to get in there. And I don't want to book a guest that I'm in. Like, actually, no one wants to talk to you. Sorry, special guests. But if it does get in the top four, that will be a special bonus fifth book that we will do some point in the year. We don't know when, but that'll be a special extra book club episode. So if you're like, I'm gonna get these suckers to read five books this year, just you, just, just some of us suckers, then vote for that one. If it's in the top four, though, it doesn't go in the normal kind of seasonal rotation. That is an extra choice. And it has to come in as number one, two, three, or four. If it comes in as seven, we're not doing it as a bonus book. I'm just going to read it for fun and then I'll probably, you know, mention how much fun I had reading it to all of you. But we won't do it as a book club episode. So if you want it in there, you want five book clubs, well, you know where you got to vote. But if you are no interest, then don't worry about it. We got a bunch of other awesome options here. I actually love this list. I'm really, I would read any of these books right now. All right, so let's move into a rata. Just really quickly. Let's. Do we have an email?
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C
I don't think we need to go over the email. This is like, really long, so I think it's okay. Well, I, I, you can go over yours.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Okay. I thought you had one.
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C
No, why don't you go over yours?
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B
All right.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So we have a. So if you are a patron, you are able to send us direct messages and we write you back, you can send us an email. We do the same thing as well, but on the Patreon page, it's like, you know, you're just writing to us. It's very, it's not like in the email cloud or whatever. It's in the Patreon cloud, I guess. And we have patron Nicole, who had originally kind of asked some questions about the new Thinkific website, which is just ABA inside track.com. it's where you go right now. And you know, after she was able to get some kind of technical questions answered, she wrote back a very nice extra message and she wrote thank you so very much. You guys are literally the best. All in caps. My plan is to do every single course, book club and all you have to offer. Originally she mentioned she's been picking through on topics needed support with, but she's going to start from the beginning and work your way through, which Nicole, that's the way to listen. There's a lot of backstory, there's a lot of, you know, secrets and clues that we put throughout all the episodes. And only by listening to them all will you truly understand the depths of insidetrack behavior analysis, I would say. And then she compliments she loves the new setup and has actually given staff where she works a little task analysis on how to transition to the new platform. So Nicole, thank you for doing that. We always appreciate it.
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A
I need to make that for everyone.
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B
Any help with that and really appreciates how we added in and this is all Diana's thought and added in the CE bundles because they were great, great for a quick grab and get it done and is very excited to learn and grow with all of us. And then mentions that one of the reasons she, you know, is such a big proponent of behavior analysis and continuing to support individuals with disabilities is because of her son who has a diagnosis of autism. So, Nicole, thank you so much for all those kind words. Thank you so much for sharing a little bit about yourself and what inspires you to keep learning. That's what this podcast has always been about, is how exciting it is to learn about behavior and how useful this information is for making the world a better place, whether it's in our own families or whether it's the world at large. So Nicole, thank you so much. If you are interested in joining us on Patreon, meaning you'll get access to all those book clubs we talked about, then you will need to join@patreon.com AbainSidetrack as long as you join as a free member, you will have access to the poll. So everyone who joins everybody can vote on books. But if you want to get those book clubs right away and the ces that come with them for no additional cost, you need to join at the $10 an up level. But if you're just like I just want to vote and I'll hear them when I hear them. Awesome. We appreciate it. Just go to patreon.com ABA InsideTrack and join at the free level to get access to that poll, which will be out like now. Ish. It's out now and it's gonna be out for about a week. So if you're listening on the free feed, you don't have a lot of time left. If you're listening on the Patreon feed, you got all the time in the world, but probably just like go vote now while you're. While it's all fresh in your mind. Well, that's the end of our June preview. We're so excited for summer Extra long episode to kick off the summer months. We'll be back next week with the first of those fun filled episodes. Don't forget to vote for your top book choices because only the top four, maybe five, will be getting full recordings. But until next time, keep responding.
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A
Bye bye SA.