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Foreign. Hey, Everybody. Welcome to ABA InsideTrack, the podcast that's like reading in your car, but safer. I'm your host, Robert Perry Crews, and with me, as always, are my fabulous co hosts.
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What up, Robert Perry Crews, Jackie McDonald.
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Hello. And it's me, Diana Perry Cruz.
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Welcome, everybody, to the podcast that never ends. Ten years running, we're still going. I mean, I guess someday we'll end, but not at the moment.
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Scaring. You're scaring all the people that are actually listening to this preview.
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Yeah, you know what? I was like, why don't we end the podcast in a random preview in May 2026? But if you are new to the show, welcome. Hi. Thanks for joining us. This is a podcast about behavior analysis and behavior analytic research where every week we pick a topic and discuss relevant research articles. However, if you are listening on our Patreon feed, you are getting this at the end of April. If you're listening on the free feed, the beginning of May, we're going to lay out exactly what's coming up on the show this month. We'll talk about some other fun goings on. And yeah, that's about it. These are quick, enjoyable little episodes where we all kind of let our hair down and just hang and give it. Give you a little bit of what's up. So if you said, where's the research related to this preview? There isn't any. We're just going to read some articles titles and then we'll talk about them like next week and the week after. So don't worry. But you're going to want to come back then or listen to the 340ish episodes we already have too, if you can't wait till next week. So, yeah, it's May. It's May.
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Hooray, it's going to be May.
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I hate spring. I hate it so very much. However, I think this might be the spring I've been happiest to see in my entire life because it was a terrible winter. It was very long. Our roof leaked. We had to fix our ceiling in one of our bedrooms. I was terrified of ice dams all winter long. I raked the roof like 50 times. I might have ripped some of the roof off. Who knows? We'll tell soon because the snow's gone. And I am actually happy that it is finally spring. Will I say that that makes spring not my least favorite of the four seasons? No, no, not yet. But if we get another winter like this winter next year, oh yeah. You know that spring is moving up the ranks. So in Any case, welcome, everybody, to spring episodes of the show. I mean, I guess technically, like, March and April episodes were kind of spring episodes, but May really feels like spring. At least here in Massachusetts, you know, things are blooming. The weather is more consistently nice. Yeah. So, hooray. How do you all feel about spring 2026?
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Spring 2026 is. Spring is my least favorite of all the seasons.
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Samesies.
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But I am happy for the sun.
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Dana, you look confused. Like, this is the first podcast.
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She's like, someone asked me about seasons. We used to go to the Shaker Village in Western Mass, and it has this round barn. Remember that? The barn and the round.
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And by used to, you mean we did that twice.
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We used to do that. And they had all the baby animals, and you would go like in April and see all the baby animals, and it was very cute and very muddy. And they also had a restaurant there. You could order soup. Oh, yep. Back in my day.
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Well, Diana, here's a. Here's a surprise, listeners. If you thought we recorded this the day it comes out, you're wrong. We record this about, like, a week or two ahead of time. But we do have a day where we will be out towards Shaker Village. So we totally could go to the Shaker Village this year.
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Oh, my goodness.
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Are we doing it? I don't know, because it hasn't happened yet. But we could.
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We could. The problem is now all of our kids are teenagers, and even the little one is like a very. He's doing very pre. Teeny type of things, which basically just means horror book. Not wanting to hang out with us anymore. Yeah. And. And writing a horror novel. So I don't know if anyone wants to go see the baby animals with me anyway.
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I do.
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Thanks.
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I'll go with you.
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We don't need children. So in conclusion, that was what I looked forward to in spring. We don't do it anymore. So now I'm just all steam ahead to summer.
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Okay. Yeah, that sounds fun. But now we can.
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I think free cone day is maybe in spring for Ben and Jerry's.
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Oh, I don't know. Maybe now. I'm just gonna get ice cream after this recording. Let's just end this recording now so I can go get ice cream.
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All right, let's do it. I'm gonna tell you what we're gonna do.
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What? End the recording. Love it.
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I'm gonna tell you what's gonna come out in May.
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Great.
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Go for it.
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Okay.
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Baby animals.
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Yeah. So first of all, it's a light month. Yeah.
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It's light.
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Yeah, I know. And we need it, right? We got a lot of ice cream to eat, so it's hard to fit in all these recordings. The book club that we did last year is going to be unlocked. Full fat version will be coming out for everyone to listen to. And that was Divergent Mind, which was written by Janara Narenberg, and we had a lot of interesting conversation about it. And everyone can now listen to that two hours worth of discussion that we had about that book, which Rob claims saved his marriage.
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To somebody else, though, you and I still on the rocks, but to my other family, the hidden family.
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Yeah. I don't know how you're managing. How are you juggling two families?
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It's really.
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I know.
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No, no, no. I think it was all about my beloved co host, who and Jackie. Our relationship's never been stronger. Now, me and Diana, the married. The married couple on the podcast, Married Now.
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You got everyone wondering.
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I know. No, no, no. Just me and Diana. But it definitely was one of those books, which we don't always get, where it really did give us a lot to think about. It really gave us a lot of additional perspective to discuss. And I think if you're one of those, like, bcbas that are starting to worry, like, oh, no, everyone in the world hates us bcbas, and I don't know how to be less of a grumpy bcba. You know what? I think this book might be a good way to kind of jumpstart your empathy machine. Put that in your mind file and smoke it.
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So basically, Rob's just found all new ways of dealing with me, I think, is what's come away from that book. But that's okay. I don't really mind. Also in the month of May. Yes, also in the month of May, we're going to have a guest. We're going to have Dr. Ray Joslin join us to talk about adversarial questioning. What does that mean? You're gonna have to wait to find out. But we will talk about several articles with him. One of them is, I believe, a dissertation. So it's going to be coming out potentially, maybe someday it's in the right processes. So I'm just gonna tell you the title of that. Effects of Adversarial Questioning on Response Accuracy and Analog Forensic Interviews. But we also have some others to inform that conversation, including Social Antecedents of Children's Eyewitness Testimony, A single subject Experimental Analysis by Depke Henderson and Critchfield, Java, 2003.
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That feels like a Tom Critchfield topic like that.
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I know I've been reading a lot of Tom. Tom C. Yeah, he doesn't know me, but I know him. And also effects of Interviewer Behavior on Accuracy of Children's Responses by Sparling Wilder, Khandash Boyle, and Compton. That was in Java 2011. And finally, idiosyncratic Effects of Interviewer Behavior on the Accuracy of Children's Responses by Najafisha, Bori, Joslyn and Preston. And that was in Java 2024. They hit they hide the year on the new ones.
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I'm very excited about this topic. I think it was. It was one that we. We were sort of going back and forth between two different topics, and then this one just seemed so like one of those. Like a topic we never even thought we'd talk about. You know, is there research on this and. Yeah, there is. And I think just the idea of, you know, adversarial questions and what does that mean?
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I still don't know what it means. So it's going to be exciting to have Dr. Joslin tell us.
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Well, we still got some prep to do. Again, we do record the episodes.
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I mean, I'll know by the time,
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by the time it comes out, we'll have done that. But, you know, not everything comes in the same order, folks.
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That's why it's good to have a guest.
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It's podcast magic.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And then the other episode that will be happening for May is a listener choice episode. So I was going to turn it over to you, Rob, to tell us all about that.
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Well, it was a tight race, so if you are new to the show, we do our listener choice polls once a season. We do our book club polls, which is coming out, I think our next, our next preview. We'll have to get book club guy Alan Haberman on to do our book club poll. So, you know, mark your calendars. But every season we do these. We have three topics. We don't put who did what because we know. Then everyone will pick mine and Jackie's because our topics are always the best, and then no one will pick poor Diana's. So we, we make it a secret that happened again. Anyway, it did happen. Anyway. Somehow they knew. They knew which topic was which. And one of the problems with the polls. First of all, a solution. First for the last couple polls, I've said you just need to go on Patreon and even if you join at the free level, you're able to vote in the polls. And then I suddenly was worried that Wasn't true because I think it wasn't working. But I confirmed it this morning. As long as you are on the free feed for the Patreon, so you're on the free level, like, you don't have to pay us a single cent, you should be able to access the poll. I was able to vote and then unvote because I didn't want to. I didn't want to just vote for my topic and cheat.
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There's no tax on voting here.
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There's no tax on voting. No. But you do have to, you know, join as a free member. But it's free. It's a little extra step. But again, once you're in, you can, you can vote on the polls. However, that's a positive. The sad thing is I screwed up the initial posting of the poll and I put it as a poll and then did not actually attach a poll. And Patreon did not let me then undo that post and then reattach a post. I had to make a brand new post, which was annoying. Listener and patron Chelsea was so excited. I think the first day it came out was saying, I'm so excited. She was excited about the topic, wanted to vote for it, and noted like, I'm not sure how these polls are supposed to work, but that's the one I want to. Which I responded, chelsea, you're right. The poll shouldn't work where you have to comment. Although it was fun to get Chelsea's comment. But you're supposed to have a poll that you should have been able to click on. So really, really sorry. And looking at the results of the poll, we have a tie because. Because Chelsea voted in the comments and I'm bringing her vote over to the final poll. Because she did vote. She did go to the trouble of sending us a message. It was my screw up. So we have a dead tie in the two topics. Updates to legislative policies regarding insurance and Communities of practice. And when there's a tie, we usually have some sort of an arbitrary tiebreaker. And the arbitrary tiebreaker was Jackie saying, rob, you already have your articles for Communities of Practice, so. So let's do that one first. However, since it is a tie and since Chelsea really wanted updates to legislative policies regarding insurance, we said, let's do this. Communities of Practice coming out this spring, and then updates to legislative policies regarding insurance. We put it in our next open podcast slot, which Jackie is. October is October.
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I know it's far away, but we'll even have more legislative updates.
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Yes.
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In October.
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Yes. We book out a lot. We have guests that we start booking for the summer, so there's not a lot of room. But in October, we'll be doing updates to legislative policies.
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I already put it in the October slot.
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It's in the October slot. Beautiful. So we're going to be doing both and then probably another one, too, just because, hey, whatever. We love. We love polls. We love. Especially when I do the poll correctly. So communities of practice coming out this spring. That's our winner. Updates to legislative policies regarding insurance will be coming out in October. Our next open slot on the planning document. Thanks to Chelsea for shouting out my failure to put a correct poll and for voting. And thanks to everyone else who voted on the polls. If you're not sure if you want to vote on the polls in the future and you say, I don't want to pay to vote, you don't have to. You really don't. I checked it. You're good. Just join there and we have your email. We can email you fun messages like thanks for voting or. Or whatnot, if you want that. Totally up to you.
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Sounds great.
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Yeah. So there we go. Communities of practice. What's community of practice? You might say, like when you get a group of people together and talk.
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Yeah. About needs, they can listen and find out.
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Well, yeah, the episode's longer than the. The one second I just gave. Right there. All right. So that's our listener choice.
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Yeah.
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And that's it. That's it.
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That's it now.
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Oh, wow. After a long April, we get a short May.
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Short May.
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And let's move into the last section of the show errata. This is the section of the show where we talk about everything else that's going on in the show. Do some emails or reviews.
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Really big shoe.
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Really a big shoe. So other than Diana's baby animal plans, some things to look forward to coming up. Not in May, but very soon after May, we're going to be doing our summer book club. And just to get everyone excited because sometimes we're able to finagle this. But we're going to be talking about Adventures in Special Education and Applied behavior analysis by Dr. Merrill Winston. And we just found out the other day that Dr. Winston has some time to talk about his book Its near 10th anniversary.
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So.
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So we're going to not only have a book club coming up in June, but we're going to have an author interview. I'm always excited when we get the authors on the show because it's a little different than when we have a article guest on I wonder if his
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book is acting very pre teeny as well.
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Yeah, I know. I tried to read it the other day and it was like, Rob, it shed itself.
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Don't read me right now.
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It's not the time.
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You're so uncool. It's really mean. Like, what the hell book.
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I'll be in my room. Yeah. Slam door slam.
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Yeah. Oh, well, you know, I'll. I'll coax it out later by offering to buy dinner or something and then I'll let you know. I can finish reading it. But yes, we're gonna have Dr. Winston on the show, so that's something to look forward to. I know you two will be going to Tex Abba pretty soon.
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We already have been there.
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You'll have already been there when this comes out. Did you have a good time?
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Do you know, such a great time in the future. Yeah.
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There baby animals there as well.
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There was dolphins in the riverwalk. Just kidding.
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Yeah, we had a great time. Yep, we did.
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What did you do there?
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Presented.
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What will you have done?
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Tacos.
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We ate tacos and presented a lot.
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Yeah. Yeah. We saw some friends.
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You don't want to talk about what you're going to be presenting? You will have.
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Oh, sure.
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Oh, that's what you want?
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Yeah.
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So what did you think I wanted?
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I. I'm presenting myself on essential safety skills where I'm going to highlight some of my students thesis experiments on online gaming safety and abduction prevention. And then Diane and I are talking about different ways that you can zhuzh up your lecture as a professor.
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Yep. And then I am talking individually. The title of my talk is called Stay out of my file drawer. Does ABA have a. I don't remember exactly.
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Have a file drawer problem?
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Yeah. That can't be it though. It's something about public posting. And then Jackie and I are jointly discussing the ethics of dissemination. Yeah. Yeah.
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So it's so fun.
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We're doing a lot. We are, but it's going to be fun.
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It was fun.
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It so was fun.
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Yeah. And we were so prepared and our slides were done. Yeah, that's what we're doing.
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Cool. Well, I was not invited to any conferences this spring. However, I attended a conference. What conference was it? It was Pax East. The Penny Arcade Expo east, which you're going to say, rob, I just looked that one up. It's a video game and board game conference that has nothing to do with behavior analysis. You'd be right, I'd say. However, I did catch on the schedule. There was a talk on A topic that we recently discussed with Danielle yang called incorporating TTRPGs and other games into special education. And one of the hosts, or one of the, one of the speakers, I should say. Sarah Burke was a special education teacher and a bcba.
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Fun.
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So it was kind of nice to see someone else within the field kind of continuing this conversation that we did. I was going to go, maybe try like introducing and talking, but I had my 14 year old son with me and he already was really mad that I made him go to this talk and waste an hour of his life, as he said, learning about crap he wasn't interested in and keeping him from going and doing like the video games and board game stuff that he actually had agreed to come to the conference to see. So we didn't really get a chance to talk about touch base. But if Sarah, if you're a listener, please send us an email. We'd love to, love to connect some more. Sorry it didn't happen at the convention itself.
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You tried.
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I, I, you know, I did try. I didn't want to fight too much of the 14 year old. Much like Dr. Winston's book, it was going to slam its door in my face and not talk to me anymore.
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So Rob was wearing like a full on Dungeons and Dragons like cosplay outfit as well. And so, you know, he wasn't sure if he should go up to.
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I was one of the other hosts. You know what? That's rude. That's really rude. And product. Wow. You're not invited. You know what the slogan there is? Welcome home. This is very welcoming environments. I met you are actively hostile.
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Sorry, we have to go, we gotta finish up.
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I have some errata.
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What is it?
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I typically don't read the reviews all the time.
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Don't read the comments. Don't read the reviews.
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I don't read the comment or the reviews on Apple podcasts, but I did today. And so I want to thank Fazia. She is a listener or they are a listener and they say I love this podcast and truly enjoy listening to each episode. The content is highly informative and covers a wide range of diverse and relevant topics in ABA. It's also a great way to earn CEUs while staying engaged and continuing to grow professionally.
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Oh, so nice.
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Thank you. Yeah, and MJT6421 said the same thing and they said this podcast delves deep into aspects of ABA that may not necessarily be discussed in ABA literature, such as how to address and then it goes blank. So I don't know what the rest of it is.
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And the app cut it off.
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Yeah, the app cut it up. So I'm so sorry for that, but thank you for listening.
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Who was the one that said they thought you were the coolest?
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Oh, that was a long time ago.
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That was an old one. Okay.
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It's an old one. Like, six years ago, someone thought that I had a good personality, and I was like, it was blood zero. I'm like, blood zero.
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Reach out.
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Missed connection.
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Missed connection. Blood zero. So I didn't read that till now.
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Okay, nice. All right, that's it. That's it.
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That's it. That's May. That's everything we've done, did, will have done. We got our episodes coming out. We got our poll up. Well, you. You know, and again, I'm sorry I
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made fun of you.
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You know what? Yeah. Dinah, it's. The time has passed. Diana will not be joining us for the remainder of the month. She's in timeout. And folks, you know, if you write us little messages about our listener choice polls, guess what? Your dreams come true. And. And your. Your choices may come. Don't everybody do that, though, because then it'll stop happening. But we always love a little message. We always love a little review. You got to send a lot of reviews to Jackie if you want her to try to send you, you know, a nice message back and she might miss it.
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But, hey, sorry, five years ago. Oh, you know, zero.
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I'm sure they're. They haven't. They're living their best life right now. It's all right. So be back next week with the first of these fun filled episodes. But until then, hope you're enjoying a nice sunny spring and keep responding. Bye.
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Bye.