In this episode, Bradley sits down with Kevin Lawrence, entrepreneur, coach, and author of Your Oxygen Mask First and The Four Forces of Growth. Kevin shares how his path from early entrepreneurial hustles to decades of coaching business owners shaped the frameworks he now teaches around growth, leadership, and long-term business performance.

They discuss what has not changed in business despite the rise of AI and new technology, and why the core principles of solving customer problems, hiring the right people, and building strong margins still matter most. Kevin also explains how many leaders unintentionally optimize their businesses for efficiency instead of growth, and why that shift can quietly flatten momentum over time.

This conversation moves beyond tactics and into how leaders think. How do you know whether you are building for growth or simply fixing problems? What does it take to keep your business moving forward without burning yourself out? And how do you balance the operational demands of today with the strategic thinking required for the future?

If you care about sustainable growth, sharper leadership, and building a business that can scale without draining you, this conversation is for you.

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About Above The Business

Above The Business is hosted by Bradley Hamner, founder of BlueprintOS, and focuses on helping small business owners transition from Rainmaker to Architect by building systems, teams, and operations that scale.