Jason Swenk built a digital agency from scratch to over 100 people and eight figures before selling it twice. He now coaches agency owners through Agency Mastery and has codified the journey into five identity shifts inside his book, Operator to Owner.

Bradley and Jason walk through each shift: operator, manager, architect, CEO, and owner. They cover the rubber band effect, the 1-3-1 decision-making method, delegating outcomes vs. tasks, and what separates a CEO from a true owner.

This conversation goes beyond tactics and into identity. What happens when your self-worth is tied to the business? And how do you build a company around yourself rather than sacrificing yourself to build it? If you want to move from stuck inside the work to building a business that runs without you, this conversation is for you.

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About Above The Business

Above The Business is hosted by Bradley Hamner, founder of BlueprintOS, and focuses on helping small business owners transition from Rainmaker to Architect by building systems, teams, and operations that scale.