601: Biohacking on a Budget for Optimal Health with Tim Gray

Summary

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Achieve Your Goals with Hal Elrod

Episode 601: Biohacking on a Budget for Optimal Health with Tim Gray
Date: September 3, 2025
Guest: Tim Gray (@timbiohacker)

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode, Hal Elrod welcomes Europe’s leading biohacker, Tim Gray, to discuss how anyone can optimize their health without splurging on fancy equipment or supplements. They break down the fundamentals of biohacking using accessible, nature-based strategies, and bust some of the most popular myths in the health optimization community. Tim shares his transformative journey and provides a wealth of actionable advice, focusing on foundational habits, nutrition, and affordable biohacks.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. What Is Biohacking and Why Should You Care?

• Definition:
  “Biohacking for me is very simple. It's health optimization. It's about living long and fruitful and not being sick or knackered all the time… understanding how our body works using nature, and when we have a deficiency of nature, what we can use to replace that.”
  — Tim (02:13)
• Health optimization should prioritize nature—sunlight, grounding, real food—over expensive gadgets and supplements.

2. Tim’s Transformation: From Burnout to Biohacker

• Personal Story: Tim shares his years of overworking, poor diet, and eventually debilitating symptoms (kidney stones, anxiety, fatigue) leading him to biohacking.
• Turning Point: Frustrated by medical shrugs, Tim took a systematic approach to his health, discovering underlying issues like mercury toxicity and MTHFR, and finding healing through foundational habits and biohacking techniques.
  “I was operating at 60%. When I got better, I was like, holy crap. I now can see the world in 3D.” — Tim (06:19)

3. Frustrations with the Medical System

• Hal and Tim critique the systemic shortcomings—how medical schools are shaped by industries that profit from chronic illness, with hospitals often serving profoundly unhealthy food.
• Notable Moment [15:41]: Hal recounts asking his oncologist about diet during his cancer journey, being advised it “doesn’t matter as long as you do the chemo,” and finding chemo bags labeled as potentially causing leukemia.

  "If those two things don't wake people up... at least get them to get curious and go, maybe I should seek alternative sources outside the mainstream medical system." — Hal (15:41)

4. Breaking Down Seed Oils and Processed Foods

• Why Avoid Seed Oils?
  • Inflammatory (high in omega-6, low in omega-3)
  • Heavily processed, often containing toxic residues from hexane extraction
  • Ubiquitous in processed foods, salad dressings, mayonnaise, restaurant meals
• Dr. Kate Shanahan’s Work: “If you still don't believe [seed oils are bad] after reading [‘Dark Calories’], I’m sorry, your mind is closed.” — Tim (25:05)
• Eating Out: Tim’s hack—request your food be cooked in butter, not seed oils, at restaurants.

Tim’s Food Formula [27:20]:

"Meat, fish, eggs, maple syrup, honey, teas, coffees, vegetables, fruit. You just don't pick up stuff in packets."
— Tim (27:22)

5. Budget Biohacking Made Simple

• Healthy Oils:
  • Organic coconut oil
  • Extra virgin olive oil (even for gentle cooking)
  • Avocado oil (for high heat)
  • Butter & ghee
• Affordable Upgrades:
  • Cook at home, use an air fryer
  • Buy real foods (meat, fish, veg, fruit) instead of packaged goods
  • “It’s not expensive to eat healthy.” — Tim (28:11)

6. Sample Daily Meals (Hal & Tim Swap) [30:34]

• Tim:
  • Breakfast: Homemade omelette with olive oil, organic cheese, bacon, black coffee w/collagen
  • Lunch: Steak and eggs or seasoned chicken breast, sweet potato, sometimes sea bass
• Hal:
  • Breakfast: Smoothie with leafy greens, nuts, matcha, protein powder, milk thistle
  • Lunch: Apple & avocado salad with hummus dressing and seeds
• Discussion of Organ Meats:
  • Organ powders (e.g., Pluck) for nutrient density
  • “Like heals like”—nutrients from organs support similar organs in your body (34:49)

7. Dining Out and Resources

• Apps like Seed Oil Scout help locate seed-oil-free restaurants.
• Example: “The Well” restaurant in Austin, TX, is highlighted for its clean menu (36:42).

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Biohacking Myth-Busting [39:51]

A. Mouth Taping for Better Sleep & Health

• Background: Nose breathing regulates oxygen and CO₂ for better cell oxygenation and nitric oxide production.
• How to Start: Begin during sleep. Some may need to train their body, especially if prone to mouth breathing.
• Surprising Uses: Can also train for exercise, enhancing performance and even swimming endurance.

  “I love mouth taping, to be quite honest, for health...After a period of time, several weeks of doing it, I realized actually I don’t need the tape because I don’t mouth breathe anymore.” — Tim (41:32)

• Risks: Don’t try if you have a cold, blocked sinuses, or structural nasal issues.

B. Methylene Blue: Super Supplement or Hype? [45:57]

• Fact: An old pharmaceutical, originally an anti-malarial and not just a “dye.”
• Benefits:
  • Anti-microbial
  • Supports mitochondrial energy & oxygen utilization
• Cautions:
  • Not necessary daily
  • Source and purity matter (Tim recommends “Troscriptions”)
  • Consider natural alternatives: grounding, hydrogen water

  “Does it mean you should use it all day, every day? Probably not.” — Tim (46:26)

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Most Important (and Accessible) Biohacks [49:58]

Tim’s foundational biohacks (coined by Dr. Ted Achacoso):

• Eat well: Minimize processed food.
• Sleep well: Prioritize restorative sleep; "your life depends on it."
• Hydrate well: Use mineralized, clean water (hydrogen water for extra cell support).
• Sun well: Get sun exposure for vitamin D and circadian rhythm.
• Ground well: Stand barefoot on earth regularly.
• Move well: Exercise or simply move daily.
• Relate well: Build authentic connections and community.
• Make love well: Prioritize healthy, intimate relationships.

“It’s not what’s in your fridge, it’s who you’re with when you shop or eat that counts.” — Tim (50:45)

Quote Worth Remembering:

"The one thing you can’t biohack your way around is sleep. Prioritize it over everything, like your life depends on it. Because it does." — Tim (51:50)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:13 — Tim's definition of biohacking
• 06:19 — Tim’s health breakdown and recovery
• 15:41 — Hal’s cancer/medical system story
• 25:05 — Mayonnaise and processed food seed oils
• 27:22 — Tim's "eat-this-not-that" food formula
• 30:34 — Typical meals for Hal & Tim
• 34:49 — Benefits of organ meats and organ powder
• 41:32 — Mouth taping explained
• 45:57 — Methylene blue: pros and cons
• 49:58 — Tim’s essential biohacks
• 51:50 — The irreplaceable value of sleep
• 52:15 — Where to follow Tim and the Health Optimization Summit

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Notable Quotes

• Tim: "Every single person on this planet has a responsibility to leave it a little bit better than they found it." [09:02]
• Hal: “If those two things don't wake people up... maybe I should seek alternative sources outside of the mainstream medical system.” [15:41]
• Tim: "Meat, fish, eggs, maple syrup, honey, teas, coffees, vegetables, fruit. You just don't pick up stuff in packets." [27:22]
• Tim: "The one thing you can't biohack your way around is sleep." [51:50]
• Tim: “It’s not what’s in your fridge, it’s who you’re with when you shop or eat that counts. Because we shape each other.” [50:45]
• Tim: “Eat well, sleep well, hydrate well, sun well, ground well, move well, relate well, make love well. That's 90% of what you need.” [50:08]

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Where to Find More

• Tim Gray on Instagram: @timbiohacker
• Health Optimization Summit: hosummit.com/uk (September 13–14, London)

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Episode in a Sentence:
You don’t need expensive tech to level up your health—prioritize sleep, real food, sunlight, and human connection. Get curious, question the mainstream, and start with simple, powerful habits.

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Transcript

[A]

Hello and welcome to the achieve your goals podcast, the show that empowers you to wake up to your full potential and achieve your biggest goals and dreams. I am your host, Hal Elrod, and I invite you to join us each week as we share actionable strategies to take your life to the next level, as well as interview world class experts and entrepreneurs who have achieved extraordinary goals themselves. And we ask them to give you a peek behind the curtain and teach you exactly what you need to do to do the same. Ready? Here we go. Foreign welcome to the achieve your goals podcast. I am your host, Hal Elrod, and today we're talking about how to biohack your way to optimal health on a budget with my friend Tim Gray, aka ImBiohacker. Now, Tim is recognized as Europe's leading biohacker and a global authority in health optimization. In fact, he's hosting the annual health optimization Summit in London, September 14th through 16th. If you're going to be in London, grab your ticket today. And today on the podcast, he's going to tell you why you don't need to spend a fortune on gadgets and tech and how you can biohack on the cheap. He's dispelling some of the myths of biohacking, including mouth taping, methylene blue and more. And stay to the end of the episode because Tim is going to break down what you can do immediately to take the next step in your biohacking journey. Enjoy. My good friend, Mr. Tim Gray. Tim Gray, it is so good to see you, brother.

[B]

Good to see you, man. It's been a while, dude.

[A]

Last time I saw you, we were both speaking in Canada at Giovanni Marcico's event, right?

[B]

Oh, yes, yes.

[A]

Yeah, you and I just hit it off. It was like a bromance. We're sitting next to each other every day. You had me on your podcast, man. It was a lot of fun. So here's what I want to start with. You are widely recognized as Europe's leading biohacker. I don't think that's an understatement. Your Instagram profile, which is one of my favorites. I check it every day. It is at Tim Biohacker. And so for those that don't know, or even those that do, I want to hear your take. What is biohacking and why should people care?

[B]

Biohacking for me is very simple. It's health optimization. It's about living long and fruitful and not being sick or knackered all the time. It doesn't have to be all the crazy technologies. It doesn't have to be all the crazy supplements and injecting your eyeball with methylene blue or whatever. I don't advise that. It's about understanding how our body works using nature and when we have a deficiency of nature, what we can use to replace that. So it really means to be the healthiest, happiest person that you can be. That's it.

[A]

I love that. I love that. And I mean, you're optimizing your health. That is what it is. And you run the Health Optimization Summit and I have your event next month or coming up here in September. And so that it's really in alignment. And that's the way that I thought when I was, I was thinking about biohacking. I thought, well, you got red light therapy or you can just step outside in the sun, right? You can buy a PEMF mat or you can ground on planet Earth every day. And I do think, I love how you define kind of it's a yes and it's not an either or. It's not. You got to go buy all the tech. It's hey, get as much as you can from nature and supplement with technology, or as they call them, supplements. Right. As needed. So share your story When I go to your Instagram, the first thing I see pinned at the top, I'm looking at your Instagram in the back, it says about me and it's got the old you looking sickly and skinny and no muscle definition and then you lifting weights, looking sharp. What's your journey, man? What led you to biohacking? How did you get here?

[B]

I thought I was healthy by eating salad and chicken Sandwiches back in 2010-11. Like traditional thinking of how mainstream thinking of being healthy is, is having way with salad in it. Like, I mean, this is really where I was at. But my 20s through early 30s, I was a business guy running multiple businesses and waking up, having a coffee straight away, jumping in the car, getting to the office, working through till 10 o' clock at night, getting home, eating something 10:30, 11:00pm, jumping into bed, 11:30, wash, rinse and repeat on a Saturday, going out and getting wasted. That's how I used to deal with my stress. Yeah, and in your 20s, I think it's slightly different because you've got all this energy and you know, you just don't know where to channel it and you kind of like just do all this stuff and build this stuff. But really it got to the point where I started feeling ill all the time, you know, and I was fatigued and still pushing through. And I started getting anxiety and then I started getting kidney stones and then brain fog and then gut issues and then antibiotics which meant I wasn't digesting my food. And then all of these, it kind of like spiraled more and more and more and more. In the before and after picture on my Instagram, people say, oh well, everyone needs a story to attach to everyone. Not necessarily real. I didn't care about health. I didn't even consider it as a thing. I just knew that my body was doing this stuff and I was building stuff that I love doing until it fell apart and I was in and out of the doctors. I feel like I said this a million times, but it's just so. It's when I look back at some of the pictures I, I took along the way, I was in and out of the doctors every single day, one week. And I had been in and out once a week for pretty much the whole year because I was so paranoid about having a kidney stone stuck in my ureter again which hospitalize me. And it came to. I got to know the receptionists of the doctors and if you, if you're in the uk, you know, the NHS is pretty horrendous when it comes to getting a doctor's appointment. I got to know them first name basis and could text reception and say it's Tim, I'm coming in again. You know, it really got to that. And then one day I said to the doctor like, what's going on? What's wrong with me? And he shrugged his shoulders and said, can't find anything wrong. And in the car on the way back I had this epiphany moment. My mum was driving me back and I was just like, he doesn't know what's wrong, but there's clearly something wrong. So I got home, I got a pack of post it notes. I started listing down all the different things. Strategic approach. I know you relate to that.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And kind of like thinking in what's the hierarchy and then looking on Reddit and the different forums like Cure Zone and because this is before Mark Hyman was big and popular and Instagram wasn't really a thing for learning stuff.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I realized that it traced back to various things including mercury toxicity, which then eventually became actually I had a genetic component called the MTHFR gene, which Gary Brecker talks about a lot these days. And my body doesn't detoxify or produce energy correctly. And so when you then have things like metal fillings or salmon which is full of Mercury for a period of time, your metabolism slows down, immune system starts getting hit, and then you start getting chronic fatigue and falling apart. So really, the system's not geared up for any of this. When I said to my dentist, I got metal fillings. I want them out. And they were like, there's no evidence that they're bad for you. Well, guess what? Now they're banned across Europe. Funny that. So it's really from a place of just wanting to get back to where I was. But fast forward through 20, 15, 16, 17, something like that. I heard about biohacking and bulletproof coffee from our friend Dave Asprey. And I realized that there was other people like me out there and that something was coming together called biohacking. And I was taking all these supplements and doing liver cleanses and all this stuff, and I realized actually I was operating at 60%. For many years, I didn't realize that. I was just powering through, trying to operate the best I could. And then when I got better, I was like, holy crap. Like, I now can see the world in 3D. It's like, you know the day when you're hungover or you wake up, you're not feeling well, you're just operating to get through that day. You don't have that extra 20 or 30% of energy to be the vibrant, you probably to be the best husband or partner or dad or whatever. You know, it's just. Guys, I'm just trying to get through the day. Yeah, bear with me. Today or the other days where you're like, you're playing around, you're laughing and joking, and you, you're you. I realized that I'd been missing that element for years. And so I continued optimizing and figuring out stuff. Like the chewing gum I was chewing was full of microplastics, which is carcinogenic. And then using, like, microwaves, having gut issues from it and not understanding why and realizing what that causes. And then I was drinking tap water and I could taste the chlorine. And I thought, what's this chlorine about? And you start going down the rabbit hole as we do.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And I realized, actually, most people have this problem. And I was like, I'm going to start sharing my journey on Instagram. Covid hit had already run a little meetup in London for 50 odd people or whatever that's now grown into a huge conference, strangely. And I was like, I'm just going to continue helping the world because I have this belief at the deepest level that every single Person on this planet has a responsibility to leave it a little bit better than they found it.

[A]

I love that.

[B]

And it doesn't matter even if it's a little bit. But it shouldn't be a negative. A take, take, let's rape this planet and everyone for everything we can. It should be, how can I give back and help make it better? Now, I understand there's a commercial aspect in everything these days because you need to pay the bills and you can't help people if you're not making money. But my belief is truly that. And so I powered through with Instagram for many years, spending good chunk of my own cash to do so just so that I could educate other people and people listened. And I think the overlap between you and I here, which I say this story so many times, dude, about your book. Year one, your target, you didn't hit it. Year two, your target, you didn't Hitler it. Year three, your target, you didn't Hit it. Year four, you didn't. And then you hit it. Year five or four or five. Yeah, yeah. Year six. And the thing is, it's like that persistence of going, I know I am doing something that I have complete faith in it. That's what led me to run the Instagram, which has then grown the health Optimization Summit and the podcast and this and that and that. Yeah, it's kind of like people listen and feel good from it. That's the journey.

[A]

I love that. I appreciate that you brought in my story because it. That actually helped me completely reframe what you just shared, which is you had a problem, right? As I had a problem. And I figured out, oh, a morning routine, this particular morning routine is transformative, as you found. Then I started sharing it with my coaching clients. You started sharing it with your meetup, Right? A small group of people, you got feedback. Oh, my God, this stuff works. And then you like me. It's like, then you feel this sense of responsibility, like, oh, this isn't even about me anymore. I have a responsibility to share the little bit that I know that can make the world a better place, that can enrich someone's life. And then you like me, right? You just kept sharing it and sharing it and sharing it and sharing it. And now you've got 600,000 plus Instagram followers. And because it is genuine. And, you know, I mentioned that I go to your Instagram and there's not a lot of people that I would say this about. Like, yours is one of, if not my favorite Instagram accounts, because the information a I completely relate to it. I'm like, oh, I'm totally on the same page. And B, it's like, it's useful. And I'm like, oh, this is helpful. I did not realize that. Or this enhances something I already knew. Are you like me in that you want to optimize your energy and your focus? Well, if that is you like I do, then I highly recommend that you check out Cured Nutrition Flow Gummies. I'm telling you, I said this last week. I think I'm, like, addicted to these things. I take them every morning. In fact, yesterday I took them twice. Took him in the morning first thing. And then I took them before my workout as well. Four functional ingredients that will help you increase your focus and energy. It's lion's mane that improves mental clarity, focus and memory. 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And whenever I talk about this, it's always delicate because I know there are so many great doctors. Some of them are in my family and I'm friends with and they're doing great work. But as a system, in fact, one of your recent Instagram posts, I wrote this down. It's medical school is funded and shaped by industries that make money. When you're sick, if you want real health freedom, you have to learn what the system doesn't teach. And then you listed real nutrition, nature, sunlight, movement, fasting, et cetera. When a story that I share is the day that I was diagnosed with cancer and I met with my oncologist for the first Time, who is one of the best oncologists in the world because he writes papers on his, you know, whatever. And I just wanted to test his, like, how much can I trust this guy because I know how important nutrition is. And so I said, what part does my diet play in healing from this cancer? And he said, it doesn't matter as long as you do the chemo. And I was like, oh, I can't trust you. And not necessarily because you're a bad guy. But, you know, going back to what you posted on Instagram, right, that the medical school is funded and shaped by industries that make money when you're sick. They don't make money if you go buy organic food at the doctor, right? And the last thing I'll share on this, and then I want it before I can go on this soapbox all day. But two things I'll share. Number one, I would go to the cafeteria in the hospital, and all of these cancer patients are walking around with their IV tower with chemo going in their veins, and they're walking around and the only food available is pizza and chips with seed oils and hamburgers with hormone infested beef and cake and pie and soft serve ice cream and soda. And I'm like, are you kidding me? And it made me angry because I go, these poor people, if they don't know any better, if they don't have a Tim biohacker in their life, right? And all they know is, oh, the doctor said I can eat whatever I want as long as I do the chemo. And now they're feeding their cancer, making it worse. So that was number one. And then number two is I was getting my chemotherapy and I had acute lymphoblastic leukemia. So I had leukemia. I flip over the back of the bag of chemo that's hanging on the tower going into my veins, and it says, warning can cause leukemia. So the quote, unquote medicine that I was taking to kill my leukemia, heal my leukemia, whatever causes leukemia as one of the side effects. And if those two things don't wake people up to like, hey, our medical industry, if they're telling you that you can eat anything that you want, the worst food possible, they're literally feeding it to you in the hospital and they're giving you medicine that causes the disease that you have, if that's not enough to like, unplug somebody from the matrix and at least get them to get curious and go, maybe I should seek alternative sources outside of the mainstream medical system. That's my soapbox I'm going to cut it off there, man. I want to hear your thoughts on this. And not just the complaining. Right. Like the problem, but. But what are the solutions?

[B]

Well, I did a post probably about a year ago now and it was a picture of, if you want to know how much hospitals and the medical system understands about health, look at the food that they serve.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

And it's pretty defining as an image. And it actually did very well because people can relate immediately.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I think that pretty much everyone, except for, I think the drug makers themselves want people to be healthy. I think every doctor that trains is either in it for one of two reasons. One, about three reasons, one of which would be money and another would be to help people.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And the third one is maybe ego or family things because it's, you know, we have five generations of doctors or whatever. So there's multiple reasons. But I think the main thing is, is that really people align on wanting people to be healthier. So I think the thing to remember is that everyone has this pretty much has the same goal in mind. Okay. There is economics that plays into this, obviously, but I think everyone's doing the best that they can do. For instance, people that, you know, listen to this, that might believe that seed oils are fine and there's not enough science behind how bad it is. Actually when you dig into it properly, it's actually pretty evil stuff, to be fair. Anyone that listening to this, like, oh, this guy doesn't know what he's talking about because he's saying seed oils aren't, you know, aren't safe when you look into it, for instance. I just want to touch on this as one example. And it's in every food pretty much, including hospital food.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It's so pro oxidant, causes inflammation in the body, which we know inflammation causes majority of metabolic and health issues. It also is like a vacuum cleaner for your antioxidants. So not only does it add oxidation causes inflammation, it actually sucks away your antioxidants as well. So it's almost like a multiple effect, a compounding effect for causing inflammation and metabolic disease. I don't think the people selling the food to the hospitals are going, oh, we want to make these people sicker. So I think people have best intentions, they just don't know better. But the thing is, when you know better, you can do better and you can start helping other people. And I think as a doctor, there's another aspect to this as well. Doctors are often trained on things that they were trained on 20 years ago. From a syllabus made 20 years before. The system hasn't upgraded. It is upgraded bit by bit. But the thing is, is if there's this new miracle, let's say methylene blue, and not to go into that, but, you know, there's this amazing, amazing drug or whatever, it's mainstream and it's helping so many people with metabolic diseases or whatever, whatever, whatever. But if the doctors listen to every new thing that pops up all the time, they're never going to have a baseline to work from. So they have to go, I will lose my license if I don't only recommend the stuff that I know works. And the way that I know something works are by studies and peers reviewing it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

However, if they were you when you were diagnosed and they're like, holy crap, I have got six weeks to pull my finger out or I'm done.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Will they change their view? I would like to think pretty much any human with their brain, their head screwed on, or with kids, a father or husband, whatever, yeah. Would go, I am going to do whatever I have to do to fix this person's health and help them. I don't care if peers have reviewed 50 studies, I've heard this has worked anecdotally, 10 people are on forums saying, this thing is amazing. Yeah, I'm going to give it a shot every single time. Right. So I think these things play into each other and I like the approach of a risk to reward what's going to work. What's the risk? If it's a peptide, comes from a good source, and it could actually help your immune system when you're recovering from long Covid or something, I'm gonna try it. However, if it's something pretty diabolical, whatever, I'm probably not. So risk to reward and how urgent is it? If you've got 10 minutes left to live, you're gonna do anything, let's be honest. So. And I think this is also how the system is changing. So if we look at people like RFK now, I'm not going down the political route, by the way. Literally not my thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, you're not even from America, so, you know, you can't even speak on it, really.

[B]

Yeah, I'm from Britain, which is basically mini America, but we're like five years behind, so watch this space. But RFK has had his challenges and history. He has an alternative viewpoint and he is bringing in with the right scientifically back backing to integrate some of the things that work that the medical system debunks and now there are lots of industries and people jumping because they're going, holy moly, these seed oils are bad. And RFK is going on about it. So we want to bring products out that don't have seed oils in it. This is going to go mainstream. So all the commercial aspect is kicking in, which is great because it's gonna be very hard for them to undo it once they start making money from this stuff. So it only takes one person in the government or in a family or in an office or whatever to go, I've had these problems. I know better. I'm going to work with the people that are going to help roll this out. And that's how it's self fulfilling over a period of time. Because people can't unknow stuff.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And I feel like more people have woken up because of folks like you. And it's not just the television that's telling us what's good and bad and to eat and often. Right. It was doctors who. Or experts or studies that were funded by pharmaceutical companies that made the thing I just saw today. Oh, I think it might have been on your. It was on your wall. Yeah. It was on your Instagram. It was the Coca Cola commercial from 1961. And the woman's like, I drink Coke because it's a low calorie food and that's how I stay thin. Right. And so in 1961 there was no Internet and so people were being brainwashed by advertisers that were literally. It's all about the financial incentives. And it's like, so imagine if you're in 1961 watching that commercial and you're a woman who wants to stay thin and you're going, oh, wow, there's this new beverage called Coca Cola and it keeps you thin. This woman that was thin on television, when the television's an authority. So there's automatically trust back then. And so I actually now that. I'm glad I brought that up. I'm glad I watched that today because that's like a microcosm for the collective consciousness around food before the Internet and even now for most people that aren't maybe doing their own research and actually. Which it's funny, right? I mean, the powers that be would tell you, don't do your own research, that you're a conspiracy theorist. If you do your own research, you can only trust us. No, no, no. Don't look over there, look up here. Look at us. Right. And so you mentioned seed oils a few times. For anyone that's not aware Of. So that's vegetable oil, canola oil, sunflower oil. Any others?

[B]

Rapeseed oil is another one as well.

[A]

Rapeseed oil.

[B]

There's various other two.

[A]

Yeah. And you find those like potato chips is one of the big, like that's one of the biggest things that I stopped eating and I've just been looking for where can I find organic potato chips made with avocado oil? And now I actually, I think I might have found one brand, but for the most part it was either organic potato chips made with seed oils or non organic pesticide chips made with avocado oil. Like it was like. But nobody was making both. So it's harder to find. What are some other common foods with seed oils that people should avoid or minimize in their diet?

[B]

Well, unfortunately, pretty much everything in whole foods.

[A]

Everything.

[B]

Everything in whole foods I go through has got rapeseed oil or canola oil or whatever in it. And they call it vegetable oil.

[A]

Oh yeah, that's tricky, right? Yeah, it sounds healthy.

[B]

Such a clever marketing tactic. But I mean, the thing is, it's not the oil itself. Again, first of all, you got the omega oil balances, whether it's high in 6 and low in 3. And we really need more 3 to the ratio of 6. That's one thing. It's very pro inflammatory, as I mentioned earlier.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But what the biggest problem is, it's actually heated. The process of doing it's not. They're not just squeezing seeds to get oil out of them, they're processing it with something called hexane, which is highly toxic and heated to about, I think it's 400 degrees to so highly, highly oxidized oil. And then it's kept in plastic bottles which can warm up and cool down, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's a highly ultra processed food thing and it's so inflammatory, it's ridiculous. And in fact, there's Dr. Kate Shanahan, who is probably the leading expert on here that wrote the book Deep Nutrition and also Dark Calories. Amazing book. For anyone that says, oh, there's no science in how bad seed oils are, read the book Dark Calories. Okay. It has got every single resource you will ever need to prove it. And if you still don't believe it after reading that book, I'm sorry, your mind is closed. You're probably not one of how Elrod's listeners anyway, so he probably not listening. So. But the point is, is yeah, it's bad. And if you look at mayonnaise, it's like pretty much 90 rapeseed oil. In fact, I saw some content yesterday where someone had a whole thing of oil like this much, right?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And they put one egg and then they blended it and it was mayonnaise, one egg and then it was mayonnaise, one egg, mayonnaise. You've got any chips that you have if you have the pre made salads. Even if you buy olives in the uk, there's a brand called Marks and Spencer, classically traditionally British, just like my accent. These olives, you would think the olives are in olive oil, but they don't. They put them in rapeseed oil. Crazy, right? So you're buying olives in rapeseed oil. Is there's an olive oil and basically everything. And so I actually eliminated them 100. However, from time to time I do have sweet potato fries with a steak. And I asked them to do the eggs in butter, not in rapeseed oil. Because when you eat at a restaurant and they cook your eggs or you have an omelet when you're in a hotel, they're using rapeseed oil. They squeeze it on there. It's just so you can ask them for butter. To cook your eggs in butter.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's a minefield specifically around fries and things like that. So having baked potatoes or dauphinois or. Yeah, new potatoes.

[A]

French fries is a big one. I stopped eating french fries and the thing is all occasionally the other night we got some grass fed burgers and their fries are cooked in seed oil. So I probably had six french fries maybe. Right. So I'm like between hamburgers, I'll have one fried like just for that taste. Right? So to me, very few things are all or nothing, but they are like 99% like that. For me, it's impeccable health. It's like, how do I only put things in my body that I know don't cause inflammation, don't cause cancer, came from the earth, are not processed. And it's a hard transition if somebody's like so far into processed food, but it's moving in that direction. Right. Having that Whole Foods as your North Star.

[B]

One thing that quite a few people say to me and you just made me think, when they say, well, how do I eat non processed foods? Then they like, can I eat pasta? Like you do realize pasta is actually quite processed. You know, it's like it's pretty processed these days, especially stuff you buy in supermarkets. So it's like. But that's the level of education that there is typically around. Is it like, is pasta a Processed food, well, they think that's natural. Obviously you can get better ones and worse ones, but yeah, I mean, it's a minefield. Before we move on to your next question, I just want to say this one thing right, please. If people are thinking, well, what can I eat if I can't eat processed foods.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm gonna give you the best formula ever.

[A]

Woo. Let's go.

[B]

Meat, fish, eggs, maple syrup, honey, teas, coffees, vegetables, fruit. Think of all that. What a big list. You just don't pick up stuff in packets. It's really good. And in fact, I did this once actually. I never actually shared it, strangely, but walked around the supermarket in the most expensive supermarket. Think Air1. Over here we have Planet Organic, okay? And they're walking around one the potato chips that are six bucks or over here seven pounds or whatever, and this and that and the other, and you fill it up and you've got a basket of like 190 bucks. You put fruit and vegetables. You try carrying around 190 bucks worth of fruit and vegetables, it's almost impossible, you know, Even if you have rib eyes in there at 20 bucks each or whatever.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

The point is, is people say, well, it's expensive to eat healthy. It's not meat, fish, veg, fruit, maple syrup, honey, tea, coffee. Like, it's amazing. It's amazing. And if you get yourself a healthy.

[A]

Air fryer, we just got one. It's amazing.

[B]

It's a game changer. All you have to do is slice up the potato into chips, put them in there, put a bit of olive oil, put them in the air fryer.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

11 minutes later, you've got the best fries of your life. No seed oils, and tasty at home with a bit of fish or something like, you know, so anyone saying, oh, I can't eat anything anymore. You have got so much more freedom if you do your own stuff like that. Or pick a restaurant and say, actually, I have the ribeye and I have the green beans. Thank you. Yeah, perfect. No one ever knows that you're on a diet.

[A]

You know, that's just, that's it. Eating whole foods. Whole foods that came from the earth. That's what we were designed to eat, right? Whether you believe in God, your maker, or you just look at, hey, what did nature intend for us? Two things I want to do right now. Number one, real quick, give the healthy alternative oils first, like just rapid fire, like if someone is at home. So if you're at home and you look in your pantry and you go, oh, we have canola oil. Dude, throw it out. Just throw it away. Go spend $5, get some avocado. So what are the oils that you recommend people buy and or look for on labels or at restaurants?

[B]

Organic coconut oil, extra virgin olive oil, which means it's not been toyed with at all. And it's the highest in its antioxidants. And if it's extra virgin olive oil, contrary to popular belief, you can do eggs and things like that in it. They used to say you can cook it.

[A]

Yeah, because I've always been told not to.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. If it's extra virgin, it has the antioxidants to be able to cope with the oxidation when it's being used. Okay. However, you don't want to do deep frying in it or anything like that. So there are exceptions. It was actually a really great study. I shared out my Instagram about six months ago about it. Anyway, coconut oil, organic extra virgin olive oil, butter ghee and avocado oil.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's what we do. We cook in an organic avocado oil. That's what we do our deep frying or you know, hot. Just, just high temperature. And then it's organic extra virgin olive oil for my salads and stuff each day. And then we do. I like eggs and butter too. I just, I like it for the flavor. Organic, grass fed, pasture raised butter. All right, second thing. And I just thought of this. So I want, I think it's be fun. Let's go meal by meal. And I want to know like, what's a typical breakfast for you? And then I'll share mine. Then a typical lunch for you. I'll share mine. And the typical dinner for you. I'll share mine. And then a dessert if you do that. So start with breakfast.

[B]

Typical breakfast for me would be homemade omelette, folded or folded eggs. Really? With olive oil and some organic cheese and some bacon. I love bacon. Good bacon. Not the crappy stuff.

[A]

Yeah, the nitrate free.

[B]

Yeah. I used to have a bulletproof coffee, but too much fat for me just didn't work. So I. These days I have. And I did bulletproof coffee, like five years.

[C]

Me too.

[B]

I have black coffee with 25 grams of collagen stirred into it and a little bit of heavy cream because it's just like one of the things I love. Organic.

[A]

Obviously that's one of your vices.

[B]

Like who doesn't love a bit of cream in their coffee? So I'm sure certain people probably wouldn't approve of that. But the thing is Is that doctor? Doctor? I want to live forever. Do you drink? No. Do you go skydiving? No. Do you eat any processed food? No. Why do you want to live forever? There is an element of you got to live a little as long as you're great for the most of the time. So anyway, that's my breakfast. All right.

[A]

So I typically do. I go through phases, either steak and eggs. For most of my adult life, it's been smoothies. So smoothies with small amount of fruit, handful of organic walnuts, handful of. Or really four Brazil nuts for selenium, some leafy greens, and then some protein power powder with no stevia. I used to do stevia, but learning about the potential hormonal effects of stevia. So no stevia. And then some organic matcha green tea. And then I put in just for my liver detox after chemo. I do whole milk thistle seeds, and I just put those right into the smoothie. Yeah, that's my primary smoothie. And then I take some organic berberine, a supplement to help balance blood sugar when I do drink the smoothie. And then on certain days, I'll do steak and eggs in the morning. Yeah. So that's typically my breakfast. And then what about your lunch?

[B]

Yeah, so typically it'll be steak and eggs or chicken breast sliced up with a bit of maple syrup in there and some herbs. I actually use organ powder with garlic in it.

[A]

Oh, wow.

[B]

That we had at our Austin event. So, yeah, so I season it with that. So I really like my seasonings and sauces on the steaks and bread, chicken breasts and things like that, because it kind of like makes one thing, multiple variations, so you don't get bored of the same thing.

[A]

Oh, totally.

[B]

And then so, for instance, I forgot with my breakfast, I typically have 250 grams of blueberries. Glowish glycemic fruit. Yeah. Support my metabolism for the day because I am predominantly. I'm an ectomorph like you are the hard gainer in gym types. So having amino acids actually key on Ben Greenfield's key on aminos in the morning as well, before my breakfast, and then the blueberries and then the folded eggs. And then for lunch, I would. So it's meat and some carbs, but typically, you know, the pretty higher ratio towards the meat.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Sweet potato baked sweet potato or sweet potato fries or something like that. And then if it's not meat and I want something lighter for whatever reason, I would have, you know, some sea bream or sea bass, and I'd put it in the air fryer with some olive oil and some of the organ powder on it as well, and some seasoning and some maple syrup. I mean, this is very, very simple.

[A]

But yeah, I mean it sounds pretty gourmet. Simple but gourmet. I love that. So for me, I do. I actually it's the salad I made by accident one day when we didn't have very many things at home in the fridge. And I was like, what can I put together? And I was like, okay, we have an apple, we have an avocado, we have some hummus, we have some olive oil, we have some lemons. So I made a dressing with organic hummus, olive oil, lemon juice and some salt and pepper and that made a really nice creamy dressing. And then I chopped up the apples and I cut up the avocado and I threw them together and we had some organic sprouted and seasoned spicy pumpkin and sunflower seed blend in the, in the cupboard. And so I sprinkled that on top. So that's my daily salad is it's an apple and avocado with hummus dressing and seeds on top. So that's typically my lunch.

[B]

Lovely. I remember the name of the powder. It's called Pluck P L U C K. And yeah, they're like organ grass fed organs powdered. And then they have like garlic or different spices and things like that. So it's like seasoning but you're having your organ powder on the top. So it's really good.

[A]

Interesting. What are the benefits of organ powder or organ meat in general?

[B]

They're super high nutrients. I mean, if you look at how dense kidney and livers are in nutrients, it's actually quite ridiculous. The nutrient profile compared to even normal meats. And the belief in, let's say the holistic world is like heels. Like because of the nutrient profile of the organs, it helps support those organs. For instance, you know, typically for people that have chronic fatigue, you can get adrenal cortex extract, which is adrenals powdered and it has the nutrients to support your own adrenals. Same with kidneys and things like that. And they do various different gland supplements these days as well, like prostate from cows or whatever.

[C]

Oh, wow.

[B]

To support your own. So like heals like is the saying. But the nutrient density of these organs are quite fantastic. And I mean, obviously the funny thing is, is like typically the organs would be chucked away for many years, but now there's people with so much awareness how nutrient dense they are, they're coming back to be really popular. Just like Bone broth, boiling old bones, super nutrient dense. And it's these things that our ancestors used and our, you know, grandparents used. But we've kind of lost touch because we're used to buying things out of packet and they're just the discarded bits which are now really nutrient dense. So. Yeah, so that's why things like pluck are great for seasoning.

[A]

Yeah, I did, I just brought pluck up so I can go look into that after we talk. A resource I wanted to bring up for people. And I don't know if this is in the uk, but there's an app called Seed Oil Scout. Are you familiar with that?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

So for anybody listening, going back to the whole seed oil conversation and how do you avoid seed oils? There's an app called Seed Oil Scout that allows you to search restaurants based on which restaurants have options. Either have no seed oils or at least have the option where you can request no seed oils. So that, that's a great resource that my wife and I use as well. And if you're here in Austin, Texas, my favorite restaurant in the world is the well. And the well, there's three locations. Are you familiar?

[B]

Very, very.

[A]

Yeah. Seed oil free, gluten free, refined, sugar free. I mean, it's the cleanest and everything's grass fed steaks and pasture raised chicken and it's the cleanest restaurant and their menu is phenomenal. So highly recommend it.

[B]

Yeah, I love those guys as well. Yeah. In fact, it was our most eating that restaurant when I ran the health Optimization Summit back there in Austin.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Back in April, pretty much me and the team were in and out of there every day and yeah, it's just so good. In fact, I got to meet and hang out with the founder a couple of times. Yeah, great. Yeah, it's good. Great guy. So it's like, yeah, definitely a hot spot. And it's actually, you know, the amount of people, some of our speakers in and out of that place that week was just quite nuts. Yeah, it's like the hot spot for Austin. Great shout.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Did Gary speak at that event? Gary Breca?

[B]

Yeah, Gary did. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. That's when I saw Gary requested on Instagram, hey, what's a clean restaurant in Austin? And everyone's like, the well, the well, the well. And so I know he was there. I've sat next or across from Woody Harrelson, Anna Kendrick, who's one of my daughter's favorite actresses. We saw her there, like, and not that I'm dropping celebrity names. I mean, I am, but but the point being, like, these are folks that like, publicly really value clean eating and health, right? Gary brecker, Woody Harrelson, etc. And so that is the spot that they go to. And if probably 90% of our listeners are not from Austin, so they're like, great, how that's if I ever get to Austin, we'll actually take advantage of that. All right, let me ask you a question. How many apps are you using for your personal development? Maybe a meditation app like Calmer Headspace, an affirmation app like I Am, or Think Up, a book summary app like Blinkist, a journaling app like 5 Minute Journal, a visualization app like Envision, an exercise app like 7 Minute Workout, and maybe even a habit tracking app to keep it all together. That is a lot to manage and a lot to pay for. What if you could replace all of them with just one app? Yes, it is called the Miracle Morning app and it is essentially seven apps in one. Hundreds of guided meditations and breathwork tracks a full library of affirmations, plus tools to create your own visualization prompts for 10 key areas of your life. Guided workouts from 2 to 10 minutes long, book and audiobook summaries of top personal and professional development books and a journaling tool with guided prompts. The Wheel of Life or a blank page to write freely. It simplifies your morning, saves you money, and helps you start every day with clarity, purpose and energy. And it's one of the only apps in this space with a 4.9 out of 5 star rating. Try it free for 7 days. Just search Miracle Morning in your app store or go to miracle morningapp.com to get started. All right, back to the show. Let's do this. We've got about five or so minutes left and I want to do kind of some biohacking myth busting, but both sides of it. Meaning, like what's legit, what works, what do you recommend and what's not? And I saw a post on your Instagram this morning about mouth taping. I'm a big fan of mouth taping, but the title of the post was the Risky Truth about Mouth Taping. So biohacking Mythbuster, is that legit? What are the benefits? Or is, is it risky? What are your thoughts on that?

[B]

I love mouth taping, to be quite honest, for health. It's a controversial topic to biohackers because mouth taping is such a big thing. And in fact, that was an episode I recorded with a friend of one of our speakers, Dr. Karan Rajan, he's a very big surgeon name from the NHS in the uk. And okay, so first of all, mouth taping, we should breathe through our nose, which is a measured amount of air using our sinuses. And when we breathe through our mouth, we take in more air quicker. Right. Why is that important that we breathe through our nose? When we are able to hold our breath for a period of time, we can deal with carbon dioxide better. Okay. Carbon dioxide, being able to deal with it helps us squeeze oxygen into the cell. Okay. So it almost sounds like a tug of war. The better we can deal with carbon dioxide, the more oxygen we get into the cell. So if we are breathing slower, slower and like more measured, carbon dioxide levels are building up and oxygen is being squeezed in. Whereas when we're breathing very quickly through the mouth in massive amounts, we're breathing more oxygen. Not dealing with carbon dioxide is good. Not oxygenating properly. So we're over breathing, but under oxygenated. Okay. When we mouth tape, for instance, when we're exercising, and it takes practice, you can't just suddenly stick some tape on your mouth and expect to be okay because you see everyone at the corner of the street going, yeah, oh, yeah, that was me real quick.

[A]

So I mouth tape when I sleep. You're talking about, do you do it when you sleep or you just mentioned exercise, which I hadn't even really thought about.

[B]

So the first time I did it was when I was on the trampoline. I was on my trampoline in the back garden and I was bouncing up and down. I was like, oh, I'm going to try mouth taping. So I actually put some tape on. I was like, I couldn't even go a minute without taping it off, I'd imagine, yeah. So I'm going to practice. So actually, I read Patrick McGowan's book about, and it's called the Oxygen Advantage. And he said, hold your breath as you step three or four steps, and when you're walking, you learn to hold your breath and then add a step, add a step, whatnot. And I started doing that and then I started mouth taping in the night. And for the first three nights, you'd wake up and rip it off because you're just not, not quite sure with your new surroundings type thing. But then after a period of time, several weeks of doing it, I realized actually I, I don't need the tape because I don't mouth breathe anymore. And I didn't wake up with a dry mouth and I felt much better. And I didn't have a headache so much. And I wasn't dehydrated as much because you obviously lose moisture when you're breathing through your mouth. And then I got back on the trampoline. I was like, I'm gonna try it with my mouth shut. So I did it, and I was like, actually, I can trampoline ongoing without using my mouth now. So, yeah, I took it a few steps further. I tried, for instance, exercising with mouth taping on. And the biggest challenge I did was actually a VO2 max test, which is where you run full pelt for 15 minutes as fast as your body can take you on a treadmill. And they're measuring what you're breathing out in terms of whether or not you're burning carbs or fat. And I was running 15 minutes. Right. And this is one of my proudest moments of my entire health career life.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I had the mask on and I was breathing through my nose at my full pelt for 15 minutes. And I was like, you know in the Matrix, when he's dodging the fists.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I was just like, my goodness, this mouth taping, nose breathing thing really works for me because now I can exercise as fast as I want and not need to breathe through my mouth.

[C]

Wow.

[B]

Now just fast forward a couple of years. On top of that, I like swimming underwater, and I swim in the sea every summer and whatnot. And I can swim a lot further underwater than I could do before. It doesn't bother me like it used to because before It'd be like 10 seconds of exercise underwater and I'd be up.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then recently I swam underwater one day and I could swim twice as long as I normally would. I was like, what's going on here? And then I finished swimming, I took a pee and it came out green. And I was like, ah. I took methylene blue earlier on. Methylene blue actually helps with oxygenation or utilizing oxygen in the cell. So, in fact, my swimming underwater was significantly further just from taking methylene blue. Now, I don't recommend everyone just takes methylene blue because they want to swim further or whatnot. But the point is, is optimizing by mouth taping and breathing through your nose while you sleep will help with your mental clarity. It also helps with nitric oxide production, meaning blood flow. And for guys, you're going to wake up pointing north. Much better if you mouth tape, because nitric oxide levels, you know, and we know certain pharmaceuticals that help with nitric oxide and yeah, that morning wood problem. So it ties in so much into Our metabolism and our overall health just from sticking some tape across your mouth. And once you've done it for a few weeks, you can generally let go of it because, you know, it becomes habit.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

That's just one simple biohack. But the thing is, is if you have got blocked sinuses, if you've got a cold or you've got deviated septum or something like that, do not do it. And that was the point from that post, is because, like, everyone jumps on a trend and say, yeah, like the ice bath, you gotta do it doesn't mean, you know, there's devil in the details.

[A]

Yeah, I love it. So, all right, so that's definitely a yes. And I'm a big fan of mouth taping. I do it every night. And to your point, when I cannot do it, and then I'm trained to breathe through my nose, but. But I find that after like a few weeks or if I get a little cold or something, right. Then I gotta retape again. But my mom mouth tapes, she loves it. And I find that when I don't mouth tape, I wake up feeling much more fatigued than when I do mouth tape. So you mentioned methylene blue. Actually, I'd love to spend a minute on that myth or real. And if real. A my thought with methylene blue, and I've used it, in the beginning it was like rocket fuel. And then I feel like it kind of the effects tapered off a bit. So I've seen obviously like, you know, you see the blue brain and the blue organs and that sort of thing. My curiosity or my skepticism or my worry or concern is, okay, have there been any long term studies on 10 years of methylene blue and how are you doing? Or is it like it's such a new fad that. And it was a dye, a factory dye. So with all of that said, what are your thoughts on methylene blue?

[B]

I love that you've said this. In fact, I remember like two months ago you shared out a piece of my content around methylene blue. And one of your followers said, oh, he doesn't know what he's talking about. And you're like, he's my friend and I trust Tim's word. Tim, do you want to chime in? The funny thing is, is methylene blue is one of the oldest pharmaceuticals in history. And this is before pharmaceutical industry was a money making machine. It was like, let's actually create stuff that does stuff. Yeah, yeah, sure. It can be used as a dye.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

But that wasn't its original Purpose?

[A]

Oh, it wasn't.

[B]

Is anti malarial, antifungal, antibacterial. It donates an electron for electron transport chain. So basically to help your mitochondria, it helps with oxygen utilization and most of us are over breathing and under oxygenated. It has so many benefits.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

If you have carbon monoxide poisoning, they give you it in mega doses in the hospital. It's in every accident, emergency or urgent care across the world. Pretty much it's a fantastic drug. Does it mean you should use it all day, every day? Probably not. My belief is if you're not grounding properly electrons for your electron transport chain or and mitochondrial health. If you're not grounding, you can take some ethylene blue. If you're grounding properly, you're probably not going to be too deficient. However, if you look at how hydrogen water works and how methylene blue works, there's quite a good overlap. All you have to do is take. Actually, Gary Brecker, our mutual friend, has got H2 tab brand that he's brought out recently for molecular hydrogen. You can drop one of those in your glass that does quite a lot of the stuff that you need. Or you can get an echo water bottle flask which are really, really funky. I love that thing. And you can have hydrogen water all day, every day. Hydrogen water helps get water or say hydration into the cell so that you're better hydrated. If you get a headache. Often having a bottle of hydrogen water will help with a headache. You know, it supports you from a more natural perspective. And instead of having to take methylene blue, you don't know the source of it, you don't know if it's pure, you don't know the strength of it, blah blah, blah, blah blah. Saying that I do like the brand Troscriptions. They were the first guys. Troscriptions T R O S C R I P T I O N S with Dr. Scott Share and Dr. Ted Akakoso, who is a 212 IQ smart man. He is the guy that brought out the troscriptions brand and they are tested like pure, clean and you put it in your mouth and let it dissolve. That's the brand that I actually trust the most. So if you're gonna try methylene blue, it's that. However, I would say most of the time, hydrogen water all day, every day. I drink it wherever I go and for me it helps me feel the best I can. The reason why you would need hydrogen water. And I'll round off on this point Is because when we used to drink from streams that would come through rocks and be oxygenated and structured and lovely, not going through water filtration systems and dealt with chemicals, it would be higher in hydrogen naturally. It would be higher in minerals naturally. And minerals are electrolytes. Electrolytes fuel up electrical wiring. Our blood, our nervous system can utilize electricity. So if you are using electrolytes and hydrogen water, the majority of the work is done. And if you've got your shoes off standing in the grass for 20 minutes a day in the garden, you got everything you need.

[A]

All right, so 20 minutes a day. So I need to go longer because I always get, I get antsy, I'll go out there for five minutes or I get literally ants crawling on my legs, biting me. That happened yesterday. I was out, I wanted to go out there for 20 minutes. I got to like two minutes and I'm like, I'm getting bit everywhere. So that's a challenge. But grounding is crucial. All right, so hey, I can talk to you all day and I want to have you back on, but let's wrap up with the last question. And it's like all encompassing. What are the most important things or the thing you can do for your health and where should someone start? Like if we're looking at there's so biohacking, such a big, right, such a big knowledge base in terms of there's so many strategies, so much technology. But what's most important is what I'm getting at.

[B]

This is where you start in biohacking. Eat well, sleep well, hydrate well, sun well, ground well, move well, relate well.

[A]

Love well, well, make love well.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. I mean that's really 90% of what you need. And actually that, that was a term coined by Dr. Take a Coso. Again, I really appreciate his work. It really is like it's not so marketable as some life changing supplement or some coffee or whatever it may be. It's just the stuff that we need by default as humans. Eat well, sleep well, hydrate well, some well, ground well, move well, relate well, make love well. And that's basically it. However, if I was to pick one thing other than community and having amazing people around you, because it's not what's in your fridge, it's who you're with when you shop or eat that counts. Because we shape each other. And those that are unhealthy hang out together. If there's a smoker and they hang around with non smokers, they won't be a smoker for much Longer, I would say though, understanding what sleep is for us. Sleep. You don't build muscles in the gym, you damage them in the gym. You build muscles when you sleep. Your body is repairing when you sleep. So if you're not sleeping early enough and waking up too early with an alarm clock, your body is not repairing every day. It is your daily check in to say, dude, you're repairing your body. So if you're not sleeping at least seven hours, 30 or 40 minutes every day, you're not reversing that damage, which means by definition you are damaging yourself, compounding ongoing. So if there's one thing you prioritize other than your social circle, it is your sleep. I love that. Prioritize it over everything, like your life depends on it. Because it does.

[A]

It does. I did see one of your posts on your Instagram is that you said the one thing you can't biohack your way around is sleep. Right. That's the one thing. All right, last but not least, where can people find you? And specifically, I know you've got your Health Optimization Summit in the United Kingdom, September 13th through 14th. So if somebody wants to follow you, keep learning more from you like I do on your Instagram every day, Tim, or attend your Health Optimization Summit, what's the best way to do those things?

[B]

First of all, thank you, mate. I appreciate coming on today. It's really good and I love how you interact with the comment and stuff content. So I appreciate you very much. You can find me on Instagram @timbiohacker. The Health Optimization Summit is 4,000 people. 4,250 were targeted actually. September 13th and 14th in London. Many of our mutual friends and colleagues are there. Gary Brecker, Barbara o', Neill, Ben Greenfield. Oh, goodness. The list is just to be honest.

[A]

Dr. Josh Axe.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Peter Crone. I'm cheating. I'm looking at a list I wrote down. Dr. Vonder Wright. Yeah, there's some incredible, incredible lineup.

[B]

I mean it really is. You don't remember the technologies or the supplements. You remember the friends you've made and the people you've met and the amazing life changing authors such as yourself that you get to hang out with. And that really is an excuse to hang out with. So health optimization summit, hosummit.com forward slash uk. Tim. Biohacker on Instagram. That's where I'm at.

[A]

Awesome, Tim. Well, I love you, brother. I'm so grateful that Giovanni Marcico brought us together and I can't wait till we get to be in person again.

[B]

Yeah, thanks bro.

[A]

I bro. Take care. Thanks for listening. To learn more about the Achieve your Goals podcast and to get to access today's show notes, transcript and exclusive content from hal Elrod, visit Halelrod.com podcast thanks again for joining us. Be sure to tune in next week for another episode of the Achieve your goals podcast.