630: What My Nonverbal Autistic Son Taught Me About Truly Listening with J. Brad Britton

Summary

Achieve Your Goals with Hal Elrod
Episode 630: What My Nonverbal Autistic Son Taught Me About Truly Listening with J. Brad Britton
Date: March 25, 2026

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Episode Overview

This heartfelt conversation between host Hal Elrod and long-time mentor J. Brad Britton centers on the profound lessons learned through Brad’s journey with his nonverbal autistic son, Sam. The episode explores the themes of assumptions, humility, real listening, and the process of revisiting and reframing one’s own history. Brad shares the story behind his new co-authored book, "Real Words with Sam," which recounts his family’s discovery—after two decades—that Sam had been listening, learning, and understanding far more than anyone realized, communicating his depth and wisdom through spelled communication.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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The Origin of the Book & Its Universal Relevance

[04:51–09:09]

• Brad describes how discovering Sam’s inner world and intelligence, previously hidden by non-verbal autism and apraxia, fundamentally changed not only his relationship with his son but also his perspective on people in general.
• "I learned how to change history...when I learned about spelling and through that process learned that my son...didn't have a learning disorder his whole life. He's been listening, absorbing, and understanding everything going on around him." – J. Brad Britton [04:51]
• The book is dedicated to “the misunderstood and the underestimated”—an experience, Brad notes, that touches everyone.
• He aims for the book to serve all readers, offering raw stories and allowing people to draw their own lessons, rather than prescribing takeaways.

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Discovering Spelled Communication & Challenging Assumptions

[10:40–17:07]

• Brad recounts his skepticism when wife Paulette encouraged him to attend a symposium about spelled communication.
• Witnessing another autistic, non-speaking young man use a letterboard moved Brad from skepticism to hope.
  • Elliot greeted them using spelled words:
    "Hello, fellow Fallbrookians. How are the life and times of Sam Britton these days?" – [15:00]
• Understanding that Sam, too, could comprehend without being able to speak, led to a major paradigm shift for the family.
• They learned about "apraxia"—not an input (learning) problem, but an output (communication) problem.
• Brad expresses regret for unintentionally underestimating Sam and others:
  "How many times have I misunderstood people or underestimated people? ...We've all been misunderstood at one point in time, and we've all misunderstood someone else." – J. Brad Britton [07:15]

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The Challenge and Triumph of Spelled Communication

[21:32–26:39]

• Brad details the laborious nature of spelled communication, where cognitive and motor skills balance:
  • Sam must focus on stories, answer questions, spell, and eventually form original thoughts (“open questions”).
  • Each session is exhausting for Sam—sometimes leaving him physically sweating.
• Brad shares the first spontaneous "open answer" Sam ever spelled:
  When asked, “What is something you like to do?” Sam spelled, "relaxing in an easy chair." – [24:11]
• Sam's vocabulary and poetic language often surprise the family, sometimes using words Brad himself needs to look up.
• The family learns about the emotional world within Sam—like his grief when an admired staff member at his program leaves, which is only revealed through spelled communication.

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Insights into Apraxia & What It Means to Truly Listen

[17:15–19:37]

• Brad explains that apraxia affects ~67% of autistic individuals, creating a disconnect between brain and body:
  "He doesn't have an input problem, he has an output problem." – J. Brad Britton [19:40]
• Many misjudge or mislabel people with autism due to visible disconnects in communication or behavior.
• A particularly enlightening quote from another speller:
  "Mom, don't listen to my mouth. My mouth is saying the opposite of what I want, usually." – (cited by Brad) [19:18]
• The spelling method requires immense patience, humility, and determination—from both Sam and his parents.

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The Personal Impact on Brad as a Father

[27:52–32:51]

• Hal invites Brad to reflect on his growth and the qualities developed through being Sam’s dad:
  • More self-awareness, deeper patience, and learning how to really listen to loved ones.
  • The importance of putting down distractions and being present, as modeled by his daily interactions with Sam.
• Brad likens the one-sided conversation he'd had with Sam for years to how people may approach a relationship with God—believing in existence but doubting capability or not truly listening.

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A Transformative Passage: "Superpower"

[38:42–43:02]

• Brad reads the moving "Superpower" chapter from the book, recounting Sam’s response when asked which supernatural power he would choose:
  "Superpower is to stop stims, because the tired stims need to let up." – Sam (via spelled communication) [41:47]
• The passage highlights the exhaustion and inner struggle of stimming (repetitive behaviors common in autism), showing Sam’s awareness and humility in wishing for peace over "flashy" powers.
• Brad’s insight:
  “Maybe that's the kind of power that matters most...Small ways we can ease someone's struggle. Quiet moments where we choose compassion. Choices that don't make headlines but change someone's world." – J. Brad Britton [42:47]

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Universal Lessons about Compassion & Listening

[34:07–46:24]

• Hal and Brad stress that the lessons from Sam’s story—empathy, not making assumptions, radical presence—apply to all relationships.
• Hal:
  “Sam is becoming my kids. Sam is my wife. Meaning I’m … thinking, how do I have my own story about who this person is and what they are and aren’t capable of, and how am I talking at them and not actually listening?” – Hal Elrod [35:21]
• Brad acknowledges the privilege in his own journey, noting that some families face even deeper challenges.
• He emphasizes the value of written communication—how writing, for both him and Sam, offers a deeper, truer window into their inner worlds.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Do the right thing, not the easy thing." – Hal Elrod, recounting Brad’s formative advice [03:01]
• "We don't see things as they are. We see things as we are." – Anais Nin, quoted by Brad [07:43]
• "He didn’t have a learning disorder, he was just completely misunderstood." – J. Brad Britton [06:24]
• "He needed to communicate, he needed to be heard and seen, like every other human being on the planet." – Hal Elrod [26:43]
• "When given a chance to wish for anything. He asked for peace." – from the 'Superpower' chapter [42:13]

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Episode Resources

• Book: Real Words with Sam (sample chapters available; audiobook and print out now)
• Notable books cited:
  • "Ido in Autism Land" by Ido Kedar
  • "Uniquely Human" by Dr. Barry Prizant

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Segment Timestamps

• [02:08] Guest introduction and personal history
• [04:51] Why write the book—change in perspective/history
• [10:40] Takeaways and the story of discovering spelling methods
• [15:00] First witnessing spelled communication
• [17:07] Understanding apraxia vs. learning disorder
• [21:32] The process and effort of spelled communication
• [24:11] Sam’s first original spelled sentence
• [28:53] Personal challenges and growth as a father
• [38:42] Reading the "Superpower" chapter aloud
• [44:15] How to get the book and further engagement

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Conclusion

Brad and Hal’s conversation goes far beyond the topic of autism; it’s a powerful meditation on humility, radical listening, and the impact of moving beyond assumptions. Sam’s unlocked voice, and Brad’s vulnerability, offer insights that can transform not just how we relate to neurodiverse individuals, but to every person we love. The episode is an invitation to see—and truly listen to—those who often go unheard, and to rethink what "superpowers" truly matter.

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For further information or to read a sample of the book: realwordswithsam.com

Transcript

[Hal Elrod]

Hello and welcome to the achieve your goals podcast. The show that empowers you to wake up to your full potential and achieve your biggest goals and dreams. I am your host, Hal Elrod and I invite you to join us each week as we share actionable strategies to take your life to the next level. As well as interview world class experts

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and entrepreneurs who have achieved extraordinary goals themselves.

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And we ask them to give you a peek behind the curtain and teach you exactly what you need to do to do the same. Ready?

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Here we go. Today's conference conversation is one that will

[Hal Elrod]

undoubtedly inspire you and it may move you to tears. My guest today is J. Brad Britton. He's been my mentor for over 20 years and he's the co author of a brand new book, real words with Sam, that he co authored with his son Sam.

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And it tells the remarkable story of discovering that Sam, who was diagnosed with

[Hal Elrod]

autism at age 2 and had largely

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been non speaking for most of his life, and he was actually believed by

[Hal Elrod]

J. Brad and his wife Paulette and

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the whole family to be incapable of communicating. And then they discovered that he was

[Hal Elrod]

actually thinking, listening and understanding far more than anyone realized. Through a method called spelled communication, Sam began sharing his thoughts letter by letter, revealing intelligence, wisdom and a voice that

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had been inside of him all along. And he didn't know how to communicate with people. This conversation isn't just about autism.

[Hal Elrod]

It is about assumptions, humility, and what happens when we finally learn how to truly listen to the people that we love. Brad is brought to tears toward the end of the episode as he reads part of the story. You might be brought to tears too. I was deeply touched and I think

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you will love this conversation and you

[Hal Elrod]

will be a more empathetic, more loving, better human being. After you're done watching or listening to

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this, it is my great pleasure to introduce you to my friend, the one and only Mr. J. Brad Britton.

[Hal Elrod]

J. Brad, it is so good to be with you, brother.

[J. Brad Britton]

My pleasure. This is an interesting turn of events over the decades, huh?

[Hal Elrod]

Yeah. I was just about to say to you and then I said, wait, let's hit record. Which is who would have thought, when I was sitting in the audience at my first ever Northern California Cutco division meeting that you were leading, that we'd be sitting here today having this interview and I'm so grateful that we are, man. I definitely feel like this moment, this is meant to be, this is divine. So yeah, man, thanks for taking the time with me and I'm excited to share what you're Working on.

[J. Brad Britton]

Yeah, well, you may or may not remember, but at those meetings I used to say things like someday my claim to fame is that I knew so and so. I mean, I seem like I remember specifically pointing at you and saying, my claim to fame someday is that I knew Hal Elrod back when he was just starting his career. So yeah, that's what I say. Interesting turn of events, right?

[Hal Elrod]

And you know this, I think. But for those listening or watching that may not know, one of the most life changing lessons I've ever learned that guides me to this day is something that you taught me at one of those meetings, which is the secret to success and fulfillment and happy, you name it. Do the right thing, not the easy thing. That every moment we're faced with this choice, what's the right thing to do that would move me toward the best version of myself? And what's the easy thing that would give me an excuse not to evolve, not to grow, not to challenge myself? And so whether it's the alarm going off in the morning and going the right thing would be to get out of bed and take the day head on. Right. I mean, so it's, I mean it's amazing. Even my life's work I could trace back to that philosophy, man. So thank you for all that you poured into me.

[J. Brad Britton]

Well, I didn't make it up, but there's one step further to that and it's the harder of if you have a choice between something easy and something hard, the harder choice is almost always the best choice, almost always the choice that we should be taking.

[Hal Elrod]

So I love that and I love binaries. I love something simple. It's like, all right, this is the right thing to do, the hard thing to do. It's going to make me a better version of myself. This is the easy thing. Let's leave that alone. So I want to talk about. You are releasing your first book. In fact, when this comes out, it will have been yesterday. So the book Real Worlds with Sam is in the world. You and I have been talking about this for years. You reached out to me years ago. Now I've endorsed the book. I'm just such a fan of this book. Your story, Sam's story, your relationship and how you show up for him as a father, not to mention your wife Paulette and how she is as a mother. You are two of the most dedicated parents, examples for all of us, other parents. And so I'm going to start with what might be the obvious question. But the answer, I do think is not going to Be obvious, which is, why did you write Real Words with Sam? And who is this book for?

[J. Brad Britton]

Yeah, you mentioned this question about a week ago, and I've had some time to ponder and think about it quite a bit. Here's the thing. I learned something that I thought was impossible. I learned how to change history. Now I know that people, you know, change history. What are you talking about? Well, what is history? Right? Our history is our memories. Our history is how we perceive our past. And when I learned about spelling and through that process learned that my son, who I thought, you know, has a disability, has a learning disorder is what I thought his whole life. And I learned that he didn't have a learning disorder his whole life. He's been listening, absorbing, understanding everything going on around him. When we were told by the experts that, you know, he probably never progressed past a mentality of, you know, a six year old or a seven year old. So whenever I learned that he could spell by touching letters on a board like this, okay. And not only could he just spell and just say things, you know, spell words, if we said a spell environment, and he would spell the word environment, but he could share thoughts with us. And I learned that his thoughts are very rich, very deep, in fact, much more mature than people his age. The wisdom that he shares, the width he shares, oftentimes poetic, oftentimes very rhythmic. The words he chooses. It's crazy. Anyway, when I learned all that, it changed everything I remember about every experience that I've had with him. That's what I say, how it changed history. So it can change history for a lot of other parents in similar situations, perhaps. But when I understood that, I misunderstood Sam for so long.

[Hal Elrod]

How many years, by the way, what age was it that he started spelling and communicating with you?

[J. Brad Britton]

Yeah. Okay, so his first real, like, real communication where he shared, like an original thought. He was 20.

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Wow.

[Hal Elrod]

So 20 years where you thought he did not have that he wasn't even thinking, but it was just that he didn't know how to communicate the thoughts. Is that it?

[J. Brad Britton]

Well, yeah, I guess so. He may have known how, but he just needed help. He needs a lot of support. And I'll kind of explain what the disorder that he does have is. I mean, definitely has a disorder, but it's not a learning disorder as we thought. And it didn't just change how I saw Sam and my history, Hal. It really changed how I see everybody. How many times have I misunderstood people or underestimated people? And that's the dedication at the beginning of the Book is to the misunderstood and the underestimated.

[Hal Elrod]

Yeah. Or made assumptions. Right. I would say that would also fall.

[J. Brad Britton]

Yeah. Which is all of us, by the way. We've all been misunderstood at one point in time, and we've all misunderstood someone else, and we've all been underestimated, and we've all underestimated someone else. And so it's an entire worldview. Change, adjustment. Shift is the buzzword these days. Right. The shift. And I talk about how this. The book is about my shift in this. Anais Nin has a quote that I really lean into a lot, and it's, we don't see things as they are. We see things as we are, as we.

[Hal Elrod]

I love that philosophy. Yeah.

[J. Brad Britton]

That's kind of how I wrote the book, or why I wrote the book, I guess. And as far as who I wrote it for, you know, I tried to follow the rules for an author, you know, have an avatar, you know, write to a very specific person or very small niche. And I just wasn't able. I shouldn't say I wasn't able because I believe I don't like the word, but I found myself having a very challenging time doing that because, as you know, I spent a lot of years as a trainer in Cutco, and we would work with all kinds of people. Older people, younger people, middle aged people. All kind of diversity really didn't matter. It was based on attitude. And so when I was teaching groups of people, whether it's a 10 people or a hundred or a thousand people, you have to be able to communicate in a way that you hope touches everybody. And so that's how I tried to write the book. And a lot of conclusions that I had in early drafts, I said, and here's the lesson you should learn, you know, from these things. Right. Because that's what we do as trainers. And I learned. I figured out after like three or four drafts, I could actually take away the lessons that I think people should learn and just kind of leave the information, leave the story, leave kind of some insight and let people kind of draw their own conclusions, which is why I think people. Everybody draws something completely unique from this, from this work. There are a few chapters where I do try to bring an insight that I don't think would be the very obvious to people. I left a few of those in, but a lot of times it's just like, hey, here it is. And just I let people sit with it and people get what they get.

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[Hal Elrod]

What are some and I know this is kind of counterintuitive to what you're saying, but what are some of the takeaways that you do hope people get? And whether that's general themes or specifics or somewhere in between, that's a really great question.

[J. Brad Britton]

There are many answers, many answers to that question, I think. Let me tell the story of how I learned about this spelling thing, right? And you'll start to have a little understanding about it. So we as parents of an autistic or of a person with autism, right? There's a national debate about whether it should be autistic people or people with autism. We don't really care in our household all that much. Most autistic people actually that can advocate for themselves, they actually prefer autistic people. But people who aren't autistic think for some reason that's a. In a way. And so they say person with autism. And up until literally just a few days ago, the book had autistic people because that's kind of what was understood. But I was able to get Sam to Answer me if he preferred one. And he actually did seem. And, you know, even though it's unreliable when he communicates verbally, this was a verbal communication. He seemed to lean toward people with autism. So at the last minute, I went in and made all these adjustments. There was like eight. There were eight instances in the book where I made a. Made a change on that. I don't know that that's relevant or not, but we've tried a lot of things with our son, you know, as autism parents, as we call ourselves, therapies, supplements, stem cell, going to other countries and doing stem cell replacements and think, you know, hundreds of thousands of dollars, you know, you go through and things that seem to work for other people. Maybe worked for Sam a little, maybe didn't. You know, he would make these little tiny progresses, but not like we would see other. We have people that started at kind of the same place as Sam was when he was 6, 7, 8 years old. And they're like going to college and driving cars and all kinds of things. And. And, you know, while Sam is in college, it's not still the same as what we've seen with a lot of other people. And so I kind of had got to the point where I'm kind of callous. I'm not, you know, maybe too callous to the point. But Paulette, you know, she really never gave up and still has never gave, given up. And she's always looking for new things. And so she dragged me to this symposium up in Thousand Oaks at Cal Lutheran College, I believe it was. I don't know much anything about it, but she wants to do something. I was always game, right? That was my support system. And so we're going to this thing and she's telling me it's. This is about communication through spelling. You know, there are a lot of these young people that aren't verbal, but they can spell on a keyboard or touching a letterboard. In fact, I didn't even know what a letterboard was when, as we were driving to this thing. So anyway, I go in, pretty skeptical. We walk in and there's 150, 200 people in there about. And Paulette says, oh, there's Elliot. And she'd mentioned that Elliot, you know, this young man who's Sam's age that I'd met maybe once or twice when he was very young, six, seven years old, right. And Elliot is very, very animated when it comes to his behaviors. You know, hand flapping, he's making loud noises, drawn out vowel sounds, sometimes just saying, saying Words I remember him saying, quoting, Dora the Explorer. No swiper. No. Swiping. You know, I remember. And really loudly. And bouncing up and down on his toes. We walk in, and she said, and he's from our hometown of Fallbrook, okay? And so we walk in, and he's there with this communication partner, this spelling coach. Her name is Julie, who Paulette had been talking to. And she said, oh, there's Elliot. And we start walking over toward them, and Elliot's bouncing. And now he's, you know, 17 years old, bouncing louder than he was, as tall as me. And Julie says, oh, Elliot, I think you know these people, okay? And so he looks up, and, I mean, I couldn't tell if there was recognition in his eyes or necessarily or not. And he just. While still making noises and kind of bouncing, she holds this thing up in front of him, and he starts hitting letters on this thing, right? While he's saying things, he's talking all the whole time, saying random things. She calls out the letters one at a time. We can see him hitting them, and. And so we can kind of follow along. And here's what he spelled to us, okay? It took about two minutes. He spelled, hello, fellow Fallbrookians. How are the life and times of Sam Britain these days?

[Hal Elrod]

Get out of here.

[J. Brad Britton]

My jaw dropped. I was like, I mean, you know, you can have. Just imagine, you know, 20 years of. Basically, I've been going through stuff. And now, that didn't mean to me immediately that, oh, Sam can do this.

[Hal Elrod]

Sure. I didn't.

[J. Brad Britton]

I didn't make that shift right there. But we saw dozens of examples of people at that symposium doing similar things, some typing on keyboards and letting their iPad talk for them. I left that optimistic, cautious, but I knew we had to try it, right? That's how we learned about this whole thing.

[Hal Elrod]

Okay, and what do they call that? Just spelling or is it a type of spelling?

[J. Brad Britton]

There's different methods. It all. I don't get into history of it, but it all started with this one woman from India. Her name is Soma. And she was looking for things. She just knew her son. There's more going on than people thought. And she just basically invented this whole thing. Just a brilliant lady. And now she's world famous in this world. And there have been some branches from her basic program. There's spelling to communicator S2C. There's a speller's method, which is the one that we have leaned into mostly. And they all started from the what's called rapid prompting method with Somalia invented. I don't know that that's relevant to the, to your audience or not, but Sam's. We started Sam in the spelling program, right. And you know, he started with someone coming to our house and then Covid happened. She couldn't come to our house anymore and. And we had to take a kind of a long break and we got him involved with the spellers method and so we were taking him in. We were only. Could do like an hour a week. It's not, not an inexpensive process. So we were doing an hour a week and you know, a few weeks into it, he could spell things. Like the way they do it is they read a story, an age appropriate story on jazz music, marine biology could be on whatever. And then they, you know, then they start with some real simple questions. And the big thing that stood out is how they treated Sam. They treated him like he understood every word that they said. Talked to him like he's a 20 year old, you know, or 18 year old at the time. 18, 19 year old, not like a 6 year old. Like we'd talked to him most of our life using just. I look back and I just, I mean, I feel shame, you know, you

[Hal Elrod]

didn't know any better, but I understand.

[J. Brad Britton]

Yeah, didn't know any better, you know, didn't know any better but I mean, what life must have been like for him. Thinking they don't think I know anything.

[Hal Elrod]

You know, have you guys reconciled that? Have you actually talked to him about that? About what it was like before the method was discovered and how he was perceiving the way you were babying him or talking to him, thinking he didn't have this level of intellect.

[J. Brad Britton]

Yeah. Yes and no. I mean, I've talked to him about it. Sam's hasn't elevated to the level where we can have a. Just have a back and forth conversation with him. Spelling. He has to be in a very controlled environment and has to go through a very specific kind of flow. The goal is to get to where we can just have conversations. He's even told us that when, you know, they asked him one time, what's something you're willing to work hard at? And he said, I'm willing to work hard at spelling or at typing. I think he said typing. In that case, I'm willing to work hard at typing so that I can share everyday moments with my mom and dad. Right. We know that he wants that, but we know that it's very hard. At that symposium we learned about something called apraxia.

[Hal Elrod]

Right.

[J. Brad Britton]

This is at the core of all of it, apraxia, is simply when the brain is working fine, telling the body to do things, the mouth, the hands, the feet. But the body just doesn't do it. The body does something completely different. Whatever it wants to do. Sometimes it does what the brain is saying, sometimes it doesn't. So Sam can talk. I mean, sometimes he'll say what he means, but a lot of times what comes out of his mouth is the opposite of what he means. Now, there are many spellers, hundreds and hundreds, thousands and thousands probably of spellers who have got to the point where they can just kind of communicate. And the things that they say about how they grew up and things like they'll say, mom, don't listen to my mouth. My mouth is saying the opposite of what I want, usually, right? And I could go a long, long time on these things. There's a book called Ido in Autism Land. Ido is his name. And that's 15 year old kid who wrote a book about his life growing up and how the therapist that would come to his house and they'd seem to say things like, okay, touch your nose. And he would go, right? And they'd say, oh, we're going to have to work on this for at least another few months, you know, and he's sitting there listening to them and he's thinking, I know where my nose is. I just can't touch my nose.

[Hal Elrod]

I just have an inability to do it. Wow.

[J. Brad Britton]

Yeah. And so he would say. And so I would just poop my pants to get away from them. I would, I would, I would, I would start. I would start banging my head against the wall, you know, because I want to get away from these people, right? Because they're idiots. And he's just saying how they're, you know, if there's somebody listening who's a therapist, you know, I mean, no, that's. This could be very controversial.

[Hal Elrod]

Now, is apraxia a form of autism?

[J. Brad Britton]

Okay, 67% of people with autism, according to a PubMed study in 2015, also have apraxia. Okay, 67. Think about two thirds of the people, right? It's like someone, someone has a stroke, you know, they can tell, hey, pick up that glass for a drink of water. But their arm won't do it, okay? But their brain is functioning properly. That's what apraxia is from a very young age. That's how it works, okay? Or how it works. So that's the disorder. So he doesn't have an input problem, he has an output problem. And this is extremely common if you

[Hal Elrod]

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[Hal Elrod]

So in that they understand, they comprehend. They just can't get their body or their mouth to do what they are thinking or what they want. Huh. It's fascinating.

[J. Brad Britton]

So in Sam's case, they do this story. I'll be back to the method. So they do the story. They'll ask just to spell some words out of the story. You know, spell the word ocean, spell the word whale, spell the word, you know, whatever it is. And he could spell words just like that. That. Now he, he does that without even any effort. Then they ask what's a known question, a question from the story. Maybe they do a story about the Beatles. And they'll say, name, name one of the Beatles. And he'll, they'll. He'll write Ringo, right? Name all four Beatles. John, Paul, George, and Ringo. And I'm like, I'm a proud dad, right? He knows. Then they'll do things like kind of a multiple choice. Name one thing that they. One animal they saw at the zoo, right? So there's not just one answer, there's multiple answers. And every one of these has more cognitive work that needs to be done. And the reason that spelling like this, it's very, very low Motor. When the motor goes down, the cognitive can go up. And when the cognitive goes up, the motor almost has to go down. And it's like this. Until that there's practice and practice and practice and they can get better and better at both, but it takes an enormous amount of practice. Sometimes after some spelling sessions, I'll pat them on the back. They did a good job. And he's dripping wet with sweat.

[Podcast Advertiser/Host Assistant]

Oh, wow.

[J. Brad Britton]

Just trying to do the thing, you know.

[Hal Elrod]

Wow. It takes that much effort for him.

[J. Brad Britton]

Yeah.

[Hal Elrod]

Wow.

[J. Brad Britton]

Anyway, they progress through the different kinds of questions and the goal is to get to what's called an open question, right. It's not just a one word answer. It's an answer where that like, it has to be like a total original thought from them, Right. Not from the story. It might be related to the story,

[Hal Elrod]

like their opinion of the story or something.

[J. Brad Britton]

Could be an opinion, could be various things. And throughout the book, you know, you saw between the chapters, there's pages that were questions and answers that were asked, open questions and open answers. From this. The very first time he ever did it, I remember it, I will remember it as long as I can remember things. And they did a story about things that people like, things people like to do, things that people enjoy. Okay? They did the spelling words, they did the other questions. And every time you have to go through all of these steps to get them into a certain flow and, and to get him focused, to get to the point where you ask. So there's like usually 4, 5, 6, 7 questions before getting to an open question. Every single time that he does one of these things. And sometimes he's so un dysregulated that they never even get to the open. So maybe, maybe he gets past the spell words and that's it, you know? And it's a whole hour and nothing really comes of it. Sometimes that still happens. But they asked him a question at the end of the story, Hal, what is something that you like to do?

[Hal Elrod]

Right?

[J. Brad Britton]

Well, the answer to that wasn't in the story, right? And so he sat there and sometimes he'll just sit there and you don't know if he's going to answer anything or not. And he pulls out his things he's using to touch the letters and he starts touching letters and he spells, you ready? What is something you like to do? Here's what he spells relaxing in an easy chair. Really relaxing in an easy chair. Now we have a lazy boy, or recliner, we call it. Yeah, I don't believe in my life I've ever called it an easy chair. So where he came up with that, I don't know. Right. And sometimes where he comes up with a lot of the words that. And things that he spells. I. I don't know. Like, one time he used a word. More than once, he's used a word that I had to look up in the dictionary. He used the word ameliorate. Ameliorate. I'm like, I don't know what that word means. It means to make something better, like, to improve upon something. Right. And he used it perfectly in the context that it was in the. In the. What he was trying to communicate. And I'm like, how do you know that word?

[Hal Elrod]

And are you able ever to ask him something like that? Or does that just take it too far out of the realm of what you're talking about?

[J. Brad Britton]

No, I mean, sometimes they'll ask him to define words or give synonyms or antonyms, right. For different words. And if we prepare a lesson ahead of time with his communication partner and say, hey, we really need to learn about something, you know, because it's important for something in the future, they'll work it in. They'll work that in. I do spelling lessons with Sam at home, and I can get one or two words of open type. Things like what's favorite food, you know, or things like that I can get from him. But a few weeks ago, he. There's a woman that he was really close within his program, got another job. She got another job, a better job for her at a Cal State University over here. And they let all the kids know about a week in advance that she was going to be leaving. And he was really tight with her. Her name was Molly. And when she left, we weren't sure how he was going to respond to it, but he was very dysregulated the next time to go to school. In fact, he didn't even go to his program for a day. And the next day, we finally got him out the door an hour, an hour late. And we weren't sure if it was because Molly wasn't there or if it was something else. We didn't really know. And so we had Ashlyn as his communication person. We told her, this is going on, and is there a way she could find out? And I don't have it up in front of me, but he wrote basically that he was grieving. He didn't use the word grieving, but he said. He said, it's really tricky to be regulated when, you know, people have to Leave or something. But after he got that out and let us know he was totally fine the next day and the next day and the next day.

[Hal Elrod]

Oh, wow.

[J. Brad Britton]

He just needed, he needed to make sure, he needed to communicate that he

[Hal Elrod]

needed to be heard and seen like every other human being on the planet.

[J. Brad Britton]

Right, Exactly. They asked him once, how do you think, I'm reading this off of, off of the page. How do you think the world would change if everyone experienced a communication disorder? Was a question that they asked him. And he answered, I think people would be more kind and understanding. Everyone did that. And then, and then they asked him, if you could, how would you change the world? Right. His answer had. Gave two parts. I would change how all people view those of us that can't rely on our bodies. And then he added, time and education should help people see the truth. Yeah, I know. And this is to someone who, you know, when I try to have a conversation with him, it's very difficult. Sometimes he'll answer and sometimes he'll just. Most of the time the answer is just no. And he turns around and leaves. Because he's been used to people asking questions all his life, like he's a little kid, like, do you like that pizza? Do you like that pizza, Sam? I mean, you don't ask a 17 or 18 year old a question like that. Right. But that's how he's been treated his whole life. And so he's just no. You know, the answer is just an automatic no and then usually turn around and leave. People smile and nod like they understand, but you know, people don't understand.

[Hal Elrod]

So, Brad, let's get really personal. If you're open to this, what is this been like for you as a dad? And when I say this, that's a loaded, you know, there's 24 years that they could fit into that word, this. Right. So let me qualify it a little bit. And I guess one way to look at it is what was life like? What have, who have you had to become? That's actually the question I want to answer. Who have you had to become? Can only imagine, but I can't really imagine what it would be like to have an autistic child. Right. And specifically Sam's form of autism, where for 20 years I'm thinking the level of patience you have to have to have. Like it's hard enough to be a parent with a child that doesn't have this condition. And you're like, you're not listening to me. Well, when Sam's nonverbal and you can't even communicate. Like, who have you had to become? What qualities have you developed as a result of being Sam's dad? Who have you had to become as a father to Sam?

[J. Brad Britton]

Yeah, well, there's about 150 pages of that in this book. That, that's a big part of it. And I try to not make it about me, although everything about it is very personal, very vulnerable, very raw. But I tried to write it in such a way that people would see themselves. Anybody who's been through hard things, deals with challenges, has been misunderstood or underestimated or has underestimated or misunderstood someone else. There's correlation, there's lessons. I don't know the word. There's nuggets, there's synergy. I don't know the word. I'm trying to find.

[Hal Elrod]

I would say, and I'm going to say this, I think, when I introduce today's episode, which is, this is a

[Podcast Advertiser/Host Assistant]

book for every human being.

[Hal Elrod]

That's what you see as you see whether your challenge is you've got a child with autism or your challenges, whatever the challenge is. What I love about the book is it's such a raw account of being a human being and dealing with something that is difficult that you never planned for, that you never expected. And you're, I mean, I know you from your Cutco days. You're a planner, you're a goal setter. You, you know, you literally are the kind of guy that's, you're like, this is the life that I'm going to create, I'm going to design. And then life, you could say, threw you a curveball. And it's a blessing. I'm not in any way demeaning Sam as a curveball. Right. But in no way did you plan on. I'm going to have a child that for 20 years I will believe, doesn't even know how to communicate. And when you're answering this question, and I'm sorry to cut you off, but to me, this is like, if you're a human being, this book applies to you.

[J. Brad Britton]

Yeah. Yeah, I think so. I mean, to answer your question, who am I? Have I become or am I becoming? I mean, it's, it's still happening. I mean, I, I notice, I think I have more self awareness. I always felt like I had a lot of self awareness. I always felt like I had a lot of compassion. I always felt like I had a lot of patience. I always felt like I was a good listener. There's just things that you learn, you know, like we all probably know this. The people that are closest to us, sometimes we neglect the most. Right. And, and that happens. And it even happens now. I mean, it happened this morning with Sam. I was, you know, he was trying to say something to me. And it's so easy to just block out anybody that's close to us that's talking. Right. He's easier to block out than most, you know, because, you know, you don't know, he could be talking about anything. But he was trying to get my attention this morning and Paulette had to point it out and see. And he said, hey, Sam's trying to talk to you before he leaves. Lee's in a little bit. And I had to put down, I had a book and a phone at the same time. I was doing something, research or something and I had to put it down and turn and face him. And I even talk about that in the book, that that's what I've learned how to do. But I'm still learning how to do it. It's every day. You know, you said something the other day on one of your social media posts, you know, said God, I'm God. I love you, God. Thank you. I love you, God. Thank you.

[Hal Elrod]

I love you, God. And thank you, God. Two of my favorite phrases. Yeah.

[J. Brad Britton]

And as I read that my prayer has been recently, you know, I'm listening God, right? I'm listening God. And I love that. I think I even commented on one of those things just this morning in a devotional reading that I was doing. Something came up that I might use in some public speaking with faith based groups. And you know, I think about this one sided conversation I had with Sam for however many years. It's not that I didn't believe in Sam. I knew he existed there. He was right. It's not that I didn't love Sam, right. But I didn't believe in his capability. I didn't believe in the ability that he had. And I wonder if sometimes as people that maybe we are professing Christians, do we have a similar conversation with God? We believe in God, we love God. But do we believe in his capability? Do we believe in his ability to provide and how we talk to him? Is it kind of one sided the way that I was having that conversation? There's something deep in there somewhere. I know. I just started thinking about that this morning. I think.

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[Hal Elrod]

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[Hal Elrod]

All right, back to the show. Well, it, it goes with what you and I were talking about before we hit record, which is I'd mentioned that my friend Kyle Cease believes that God is always trying to speak through us. So he doesn't plan what he's going to say often, if ever, right? It's just showing up and allowing God and, and you think about it, when do we hear those messages? And some people, if they're an atheist, they wouldn't think it's God. They would just think it's their mind. But there's, to me, it's some sort of higher consciousness where often it comes through me faster than I can think it. And I'm going, I don't know where this is coming from, but like, I'll be writing it out or something. And I'm just journaling with zero thought. And I go, there's got, there's call that God, call that it's something. It's not coming from my conscious mind. And so, yeah, I think to your point that are we listening to God? Are we? And you know, one thing that I got when I was reading the book, Brad, is I mentioned, right, Like, I don't have an autistic child and if someone's listening and they don't have maybe I don't know that I have anyone in my family that I'm aware of with autism. So I don't have that Relationship. But I'm listening. And I'm literally, Sam is becoming my kids. Sam is my wife. Meaning I'm everything that you're talking about. I'm thinking, how do I have my own story about who this person is and what they are and aren't capable of, and how am I talking at them and not actually listening? Not actually. And what I love about the book and about Sam and about, you know, his condition, and then who that has invited you to become is you've had to be infinitely more present than the average person with another human being that can talk back to you. Like, you've had to be infinitely more empathetic and understanding and like. And patient. I can't imagine the patience. And like you said, it's an ongoing. You're not a perfect human. Right. It's an ongoing journey. But. But, yeah, I just. I want to really reflect for the audience and reflect back to you as you're talking about this book and going on podcasts and so on and so forth. That that was what it was for me, was that Sam is a loved one for you. Right? He is a person in your life. He is your family. He is your blood. He is someone that you love. And this, everything that you've learned in being Sam's dad, I feel like it's applicable to all of us, and you've had to learn it at a higher level and been forced to in a way that benefits all of us, but that without having someone in our life with Sam's condition, we would never have the opportunity to become who you've become and develop the abilities that you've developed to be a more present, patient, loving human being. So I say thank you for leading by example for the rest of us and putting it in this book.

[J. Brad Britton]

Well, I appreciate those words a lot. I have to acknowledge something, though. There's going to be people that are listening to this podcast, watching this, this video that have significantly greater challenges with perhaps with a child with disability or someone in their family with a disability than we have. I mean, I meet with some men's groups, a dadvocate group, the San Diego Autism Society, and, you know, there were six or seven of us that met last time, and everybody went around and kind of talked about their, you know, their scenario. And I had the easiest job. I had the easiest scenario of everybody. There's. There's people that's much more profoundly affected by autism or apraxia or in some cases, learning disorders, I'm sure, than we are. And I just have to acknowledge that because there's going to be somebody listening saying, oh, you know, this guy's getting all this praise, but he didn't even know what it's like. And it's true. I mean, I can't even. Like you say, you can't imagine there's levels so much deeper than what we deal with. I just wanted to be able to acknowledge that. And I want to acknowledge something else that I learned through this process, that Sam and I have something really great in common. And that is we both write better than we talk. Right. Even as we're talking here, you and I are talking. There's been several times when I'm searching for a word, I've learned that when I have time to think about it and when I have time to craft and I look at my sentence, I'm like, no, that's not exactly right. And I can, oh, substitute here, substitute there. I can put together something that is much more meaningful, much more impactful, has better flow type of thing.

[Hal Elrod]

You're a wordsmith.

[J. Brad Britton]

That's why I like to think that is the case. I fancy myself as that. And I'm not trying to be arrogant about it or anything. And I would like to if. And you may not use this for the podcast, but there's one chapter that I sent you, the audiobook.

[Hal Elrod]

Yeah, no, I'd love for you to either read that or. Yeah, please do.

[J. Brad Britton]

Here's the thing. I think one of the things when I do my public speaking, I might start off by saying this after a 5 second Simon Sinek pause. I've learned something that may or may not work for you, but I've learned something. I've learned how to make myself cry. It may not work for you, but it works for me. It worked for me. And here's what I did. I wrote this book that's really deeply vulnerable and shares things that usually stay tucked away. And then I read it out loud, recording an audiobook. And it worked. I mean, I could. Every chapter, you know, I bawl my eyes out. I don't know if it'll work for you, but if you want to make yourself cry, maybe maybe write a personal book and try to record it. The audiobook. This chapter is 3 minutes and 30 seconds long. So I'll just try to read it and it'll sound probably a lot like the audiobook because it's really hard to get through some of these. Some of these things. But the chapter is called Superpower, and this is one of those where I do draw a conclusion. I drew bring out A lesson or a message that might have been missed otherwise. All right, here we go. I'll talk to you. Superpower. Before I knew the word stim, I saw it in action. The hand flapping, the rhythmic rocking, the repeated sounds, the fixations on specific movements or words. For Sam, it's often triggered by motion. Credits scrolling on a screen, Cars passing outside a hotel room window, trains, planes. And roller coasters. He really likes roller coasters. He can watch them for hours, sometimes on YouTube, sometimes in person, not even riding them. Just watching the climb, the drop, the loops, the blur of motion. He loves the patterns, the predictability, the flow. And sometimes, as he watches, his body echoes the excitement. Flapping, rising up on his toes, stiffening his shoulders, Back wringing his hands, voicing long, drawn out vowel sounds stretched and repeated over and over again. They're called stims, short for self stimulatory behavior. They're common in many autistic people, especially children. And they're not random. They serve a purpose, often more than one. As Dr. Barry Prison writes in his book Uniquely Human, many autistic people engage in repetitive behaviors called stimming. These behaviors serve an important purpose, but they can help regulate anxiety, express excitement, or simply bring comfort. It's not meaningless. In fact, it's often the opposite. A coping mechanism for navigating a world that feels overwhelming. Stimming isn't always something that needs to be fixed, but it can be exhausting. For Sam, it's not always something he wants to be doing. Sometimes it's something his body's doing, even when his mind wants something else. During one of his spelling sessions, his coach asked him a creative open ended question. The question was this. If you could choose one supernatural power, what would it be? Sam answered, superpower is to stop stims, because the tired stims need to let up. That sentence, wow. There's so much in it. The awareness, the exhaustion, the wish. It tells me that stimming isn't always joy. Sometimes it's pressure. Sometimes it's compulsion. Sometimes it's simply too much. And it reminds me, just because something looks repetitive doesn't mean it's easy or even wanted. Sam's answer isn't dramatic. It didn't come with tears or raised voices. But in that one sentence, he gives us a window into the tension he lives with every day, between what his body demands and what his heart desires. His answer wasn't about flying or invisibility. It was about stopping suffering. His own and others like him. When given a chance to wish for Anything. He asked for peace. It makes me rethink what a superpower really is. If that's how Sam sees it, not flashy or grand, but necessary and kind, then maybe the rest of us already have a few superpowers of our own. Small ways we can ease someone's struggle. Quiet moments where we choose compassion. Choices that don't make headlines but change someone's world. Maybe that's the kind of power that matters most. And that's the end of the chapter. Okay. See, that's what I talk about. Being able to make yourself cry.

[Hal Elrod]

I love that. I love that chapter. I love that lesson.

[J. Brad Britton]

A lot of the chapters are like that. They're pretty short, either with something like that or a story about going to the barbershop or going bowling, or there's one about how I lost him in town and he just went somewhere and trying to find him. There's a lesson in that story as well. But I think people are going to get things out of it, as I said, that are going to be uniquely their own.

[Hal Elrod]

Yes. And the overall experience of reading it. Brad, it's a feel good book. It's an emotionally challenging, exhilarating just. It's a really special feel good book. And. And I think that's.

[J. Brad Britton]

And it's funny too. There's a lot of things that Sam says that are out of the blue and just people tell me the feedback I get. You know, people say, hey, they talk about what made them laugh. And it's interesting. Different parts make different people laugh. The two comments I get just from reading the sample chapters that are available online before anybody actually buys the book, I'd rather them just go to our website and read the samples. I don't want people, you know, spend 20 bucks or whatever on a. On a book and then not like it. You know, reading the first few chapters, I think people really get an idea and.

[Hal Elrod]

Real wordswithsam.com Is that the title or that's the website?

[J. Brad Britton]

Real wordswithsam.com. yeah, people can go there and they can leave feedback there if they want to.

[Hal Elrod]

Yeah. And is the audiobook out yet or is it just the paperback to start?

[J. Brad Britton]

It'll launch the same day. It's supposed to launch the same day. Yeah. I've got a really good.

[Hal Elrod]

When this comes out, that will have been yesterday. So you can get the audiobook and you read the audiobook. Right. So they can hear your voice.

[J. Brad Britton]

That's me reading it. And I got a great sound engineer in Scotland who's doing good work with

[Hal Elrod]

that amazing, awesome well, Brad, thank you again for putting your story and Sam's story and your family's story out into the world in a way that I think that anyone, any human being, this book is. If you're a human being, that's how you qualify. Whether this book is for you, you are the avatar. If you are a human being, I think you'll be grateful. You'll enjoy this as a read unlike a lot of personal growth books. And it's interesting that you kind of pulled back on that a little bit because it's like, it can be exhausting. You're like, oh, my God, I'm learning so much. I'm learning so much. Like, I can only implement so much versus, like, in the evening. I love reading a. I never read personal growth books in the evening. I just want to experience, you know, I read biographies because this is a biography, right? Essentially, it's. It's. I want to just read someone's story, absorb the feel of what it's been like to be that person. And you captured that remarkably here. So thank you.

[J. Brad Britton]

You're one of the reasons how that this book is written. I've started writing 10 books, maybe different ones. And there's good stuff, you know, lessons and teachings and parables and. And fun stuff. And then I sent you my first draft or second draft of chapter one, you and one other person, and both of you guys came back with the exact same thing. This is something I actually would want to read just from reading that little bit. And part of me was like, well, you didn't like any of my other stuff. Great. But you said, this is the book that I want to read. This is the book that the world needs to hear. So I decided, okay, this is the one I'm actually going to finish. Bring to completion. I'm like 75, 80% done with at least a half dozen other books. Maybe this will open a door to finish those. But thank you a great deal for that encouragement or very early on.

[Hal Elrod]

Got it. And the beauty of that is this is not just your book. It is Sam's book as well. And that's a really special gift. You know, talk about, think about that. Think about. And I don't know if you've thought of this perspective, but it just came up for me, right? Which is that Sam has this disorder that it's the inability to communicate, and yet his story through his dad is now being communicated with the world. And that's a pretty special thing.

[J. Brad Britton]

I just hope people like it, it's memorable, and maybe it can help people see the world be different so that they see the world differently in a positive way.

[Hal Elrod]

Yeah. No, I think it enhances how we show up in our relationships for all of us, as I had said. So all right, everybody listening or watching this? Go get the book. Real words with Sam. You can either download a free [e-mail] or if I were you, I would just go straight to. I think you'll love the book. Go get the audiobook. You can hear Brad read it, or paperback, Kindle, whatever works for you on Amazon or wherever you buy your books. And Brad, you've transformed my life and now you're going to transform countless other lives through this book. So thank you, my friend. Thanks for listening. To learn more about the Achieve your Goals podcast and to get access today's show notes, transcript and exclusive content from hal Elrod, visit hallerrod.compodcast thanks again for joining us.

[J. Brad Britton]

Be sure to tune in next week for another episode of the Achieve your goals podcast.