Bret Easton Ellis + Stacey Dash (Carolla Classics)

Summary

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The Adam Carolla Show: Bret Easton Ellis + Stacey Dash (Carolla Classics)

Date: November 22, 2025
Episode Theme:
A dynamic mashup episode from the Carolla Classics archive, highlighting lively, insightful, and candid conversations. Featuring novelist and podcast host Bret Easton Ellis, actress Stacey Dash, plus appearances by guests Quinton Aaron and David Wild. Topics range from pop culture and celebrity, to personal history, to trenchant, unfiltered takes on race, parenting, and the state of American culture—all delivered in Adam Carolla’s trademark unsparing, comedic style.

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Episode Overview

This classic episode showcases Adam Carolla’s knack for sparking thought-provoking and hilarious conversations around pop culture, music, personal journeys, and societal issues. In the first half, Adam and co-hosts are joined by author Bret Easton Ellis and music journalist David Wild for a raucous look at Hall & Oates’ legacy, the evolution of celebrity, the nature of offense, and the shifting tides of American upbringing. The second segment features Quinton Aaron (The Blind Side) and actress/political commentator Stacey Dash for more personal and cultural reflections—especially on race, politics, and the myth of a “level playing field.” Throughout, notable moments, quotable lines, and the unfiltered, quick-witted banter that defines The Adam Carolla Show are on full display.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pop Culture Riffs: Hall & Oates, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame, and Musical Sins

• (02:45–14:15) The crew debates the merits and “crimes” of Hall & Oates. Adam rails on “Maneater” and “Family Man,” positing that some 80s pop songs have done more damage to culture than O.J. Simpson.

  “Combined, the damage that Hall and Oates has done with those four songs is much greater worldwide than what O.J. did.” — Adam Carolla, (06:54)

• David Wild defends Hall & Oates, noting their earlier soulful work and how MTV-era output diverged from that.
• The discussion widens into which artists have the greatest disparity between great and bad songs (Billy Joel, Elton John, Bowie, Rolling Stones, Aerosmith).

  "One man’s sucking is another man’s blowing." — David Wild (13:00)

2. Celebrity & Reinvention — Paul Newman and Tom Cruise's Racing Obsession

• (18:43–28:30) Adam plays a sizzle reel from his Paul Newman racing documentary, seeking Tom Cruise's participation.
  • Adam shares insider anecdotes on Newman’s late-life racing career, the camaraderie of the racing world, and the difference between how celebrities were managed in decades past vs. now.

    “He drove from, you know, when he was 47 to just when he died. Basically he was in his car, in his 80s, driving the car.” — Adam (26:12)

  • Discussion of today's lack of “gentlemen’s agreements” with the media and the relentless, intrusive nature of celebrity journalism.

3. The Changing Scope of Offense & Outrage

• (55:15–57:17) Bret Easton Ellis joins to discuss how the reaction to a novel like American Psycho might differ today, given how quickly outrage cycles spin and how saturated media and culture have become.

  “Now, would there be a lot of talk about the violence and the pornography in it compared to what else is available? ...The problem is everything feels disposable now.”
  — Bret Easton Ellis (56:57)

4. Coddling vs. Calluses: Modern Parenting, Bullying, and Resilience

• (67:21–74:38) Adam and Bret take a “pro-bullying” stance (in moderation):
  • Adam uses a metaphor about calluses to argue for the psychological value of minor adversity.
  • Bret describes how a lack of adversity leaves kids unable to cope with criticism or failure.

    "You build up little calluses on things, and that's what nature kind of is." — Adam (68:36)
    "[Bullying] taught me to be covert. It taught me what to avoid. It taught me that people are shitty, kids are cruel. And in a strange way... it really made [us] stronger." — Bret Easton Ellis (67:21)

  • They critique modern reliance on medication and coddling (“babying” a generation), expressing concern over the long-term effects (see also: Adderall, service dogs, antibacterial hand soap).

5. Cultural, Racial, and Political Identity with Stacey Dash (01:37:40+)

• Stacey Dash opens up about being a Black Republican, experiencing public backlash, and the pressures around identity politics.
  • On her Romney endorsement:

    "A lot of people told me to kill myself. I'm an Uncle Tom, an Oreo, I hate being Black, blah, blah, blah." — Stacey Dash (156:49)

• She and Adam dissect the absurdity of equating party choice or candidate support with race betrayal.
  • Both advocate for voting based on character, not identity—to move past the “optics” of superficial representation.
  • Candid talk on coming from nothing, learning self-reliance, and resisting the “victimhood” narrative.

    "You're not where you come from. You have to at some point take responsibility for your life."
    — Stacey Dash (149:04)

  • Critique of contemporary leadership for focusing too much on inequity and victimization rather than self-empowerment:

    "Every time these guys take the podium and they explain that ... hard work's not enough because we're living under a system that... I always scream at the tv, shut up. You're screwing everyone up." — Adam (159:40)

6. Personal Stories: Upbringing, Adversity, and Triumph

• Quinton Aaron (The Blind Side) describes being bullied as a child and the impact of having a supportive, fiercely protective mother.
• Both Quinton and Stacey describe growing up with absent or dysfunctional fathers, and how their mothers’ encouragement (or lack thereof) shaped them.
  • Quinton: “She said, I brought you in here. I'm the only one that can kick your ass.” (131:55)
  • Adam and Stacey both discuss how overcoming adversity and not being coddled built character.

7. Music, Celebrity Anecdotes & Lighter Moments

• Touches on Cat Stevens (aka Yusuf Islam), Linda Ronstadt, and celebrity encounters.
• Retrospective laughs about being “mic’d up” on TV sets and the dangers of forgetting your wireless microphone (95:48).
• Adam’s extended riff on the design flaws and virtues of hand-washing, shampoo, and “big Pantene.”

  “I never get sick. I never wash my hands. I don’t use soap. I don’t use shampoo. I don’t use anything. I fucking rinse.” — Adam (83:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Pop Music Sins:
  “Combined, the damage that Hall and Oates has done with those four songs is much greater worldwide than what O.J. did.”
  — Adam (06:54)

• On Calluses, Bullying, and Adversity:
  “You build up little calluses on things, and that's what nature kind of is... That element of growing up in a zero gravity environment. You lose muscle mass, you lose bone density.”
  — Adam (68:36–69:33)

• On Disposable Culture:
  "The problem with that, of course, is that then renders everything disposable. It just feels disposable."
  — Bret Easton Ellis (56:57)

• On Generational Change and Upbringing:
  "What happens is then when you really hit the disappointments in life that we all have... you collapse. You're not able to even handle someone criticizing you." — Bret (69:33)

• Stacey Dash on Race and Politics:
  "You should be able to make a choice based on the content of someone's character, not the color of their skin. This is not 1965. We've won that battle. We should move on."
  — Stacey Dash (139:18)

• Stacey Dash on Responsibility:
  “You're not where you come from. You have to at some point take responsibility for your life.”
  — Stacey (149:04)

• Adam on Modern Victimhood:
  "Every time these guys take the podium and they explain that there's inequities... I always scream at the tv, shut up. You're screwing everyone up."
  — Adam (159:40)

• Bret Easton Ellis, On Movements:
  “One man’s sucking is another man’s blowing.”
  — David Wild (13:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 02:45 — Hall & Oates/Rock & Roll Hall of Fame and musical crimes
• 18:42 — Paul Newman racing doc & Tom Cruise anecdotes
• 53:27 — Bret Easton Ellis on Christian Bale/American Psycho/Novel culture
• 67:21 — Upbringing, bullying, resilience (Adam & Bret)
• 75:57 — Secondhand smoke, invented panics, societal lies
• 83:01 — Antibacterial soap, “big Pantene” rant, modern coddling
• 1:37:40 — Stacey Dash interview; race, politics, and personal story

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Episode Tone & Style

The episode is marked by Adam Carolla’s signature blend of brash humor, storytelling, and philosophical tangents. Banter is irreverent, brutally honest, and peppered with sharp one-liners and authentic personal anecdotes. The guests follow suit—sharing forthright reflections that balance seriousness (race, adversity, cultural criticism) and comic relief (music riffs, personal embarrassments, hot takes on soap and shampoo).

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For Listeners Who Haven't Heard the Episode

This Carolla Classic is an essential listen for fans of cultural criticism, celebrity, and unfiltered humor. Adam and a dynamic cast of guests strip down the big and small issues of contemporary America, music, and personal growth—with stories that are both laugh-out-loud funny and surprisingly insightful. Whether discussing Grammy politics, “Maneater,” or the very real effects of absent fathers and childhood bullying, the episode’s through-line is a call for resilience, personal responsibility, and honesty—served with sarcasm and wit.

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Recommended for:
Fans of blunt, observational humor, pop culture obsessives, and anyone curious about the unlikely intersections between rock music, bad soap, political identity, and how to properly toughen up kids for the world.

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Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Quinton Aaron]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Brian Bishop]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Allison Rosen]

Carolla.

[Adam Carolla]

And bald Bryan. Let the baby have his bottle.

[Brian Bishop]

Tinyhuman wanted that oldie but goodie from Twitter on Topdrop.

[Adam Carolla]

We will talk a little Rock and Roll hall of Fame. I'm guessing with.

[David Wild]

I can go for that. Yes, can do, Adam.

[Adam Carolla]

Now I found out it was whole notes and then I found out it was Nirvana and then I found out it was Kiss. And then I realized Kurt Cobain would be very upset about this.

[David Wild]

No. You know, Kurt Cobain love Kiss was actually on the Kiss tribute record. They did do youo Love Me. I believe it was.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[David Wild]

Yeah. So I think.

[Adam Carolla]

Huge fan of Lick it up.

[David Wild]

Who isn't ironically or not.

[Adam Carolla]

It's only right now, really. It's only right.

[David Wild]

I think, I think.

[Adam Carolla]

Here it is. This is written by adults.

[Brian Bishop]

I can't wait for the All Star Gym to this.

[David Wild]

Yeah, I think if Kurt Cobain would go, I think he most likely would go with Gene Simmons in a limo with a shirt saying like, corporate bands still really, really suck or something like that.

[Adam Carolla]

Insane that it's 25 years after you form or you have your first release.

[David Wild]

The first release, I think.

[Adam Carolla]

Uh huh. So 20, that's a weird. You know, I kind of think the NFL has it. Well, the NFL says, I don't know, seven years after you retire or five years or what? I think five years after you retire.

[Brian Bishop]

You'Re eligible after you play your last game. So.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right. Whatever it is. But you can't really do that with bands because as long as they're state fairs, there's going to be bands that are coming out of retirement to play. So you can't really.

[Quinton Aaron]

You don't.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you don't want bands to retire, so you have to just sort of pick something and I guess it's 25 years after your first album dropped.

[David Wild]

I think it's pretty funny that Kiss and Nirvana get in at the same time though. Think about like, you know, we grew up with Kiss and Nirvana. Seems, even though it's a long time ago, they seem still very modern and you know, having taken the turn of making modern rock. But they get in the same moment. It's kind of perfect.

[Adam Carolla]

It's crazy that Nirvana is 25 years old.

[Brian Bishop]

It's unreal.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, because if you just woke me up in the middle of the night and you went, give me an example of new rock, I'd be like, Nirvana smashing dumplings, Stone's Apple, Stone Temple guys.

[Allison Rosen]

But see, I wonder what Natalia thinks of Nirvana. Like if you were to play them for her, would that sound like Grandpa Rock to her.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know. But she did piss me off when I was. I think Maneater or another hall and Oates song came on and she announced the heavens that it was one of her favorite songs, but she's doing it just to fuck with me.

[David Wild]

She was raised right.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Now, here's my thing with Hall Notes. Like, the guys like some of their songs, but to me, you need to have. Look, you know, O.J. was a great NFL player, but then he cut someone's head off, and now we feel differently about that.

[David Wild]

So Maneater would be equivalent to that. Murder.

[Adam Carolla]

No. Man Eaters caused far more pain. Yeah. Than that. That's just two lives that didn't directly impact me. Yeah. Maneater has caused. Spread a way bigger net.

[Brian Bishop]

It's like if OJ Drove his white Bronco up onto the off ramp and took out the people cheering him on after he killed the two people, even that.

[Adam Carolla]

I wouldn't mind if those people were gone. Because imagine those people have had kids by now and been in and out of the joint in rehab.

[David Wild]

Man Eaters, an off white Bronco. You know, it's got a little, little, little.

[Adam Carolla]

What I'm saying is, you know, Nicole Brown Simpson, she wasn't gonna cure cancer or aids. You know what I mean? She was gonna hang out in Brentwood, have a few more nights on the town. She doesn't deserve what she got, Adam.

[Brian Bishop]

She was gonna pay taxes, okay? I'm just telling you.

[Adam Carolla]

What, through alimony.

[Quinton Aaron]

What?

[Adam Carolla]

Adam, she was an earner. I mean, her husband was an earner. Would have kicked it down to her. And then we would have wedded her property taxes. But I'm saying, if you take.

[Brian Bishop]

Brentwood's a Heinrich district.

[Adam Carolla]

But hold on. What songs do we have? We have adult education. We have Man Eater. We have. I can't go for that. And we.

[David Wild]

Before you go there. Before you go there, I want some equal time, because I will say I'm not sure.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, family man.

[David Wild]

They didn't write that one. That's Mike Oldfield.

[Adam Carolla]

Doesn't matter. Combined, the damage that hall and Oates has done with those four songs is much greater worldwide than what OJ Did.

[David Wild]

I voted for them. I don't know if I'm supposed to reveal that.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on, here it comes.

[David Wild]

I'd vote for him again.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait a minute. She just might. All right, here, it's going to kick in. This is what. I would have played this the whole time where I was yelling you not to vote. Oh, here it is. Okay. This is a horrible ban.

[David Wild]

Don't blame them in music. No, no, no. Don't blame them for the 80s.

[Adam Carolla]

The 80s.

[Quinton Aaron]

The 80s.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, don't bring the family.

[Allison Rosen]

The 80s.

[Adam Carolla]

They're part of that 80s. They made it miserable.

[David Wild]

I don't mind this song. I will be honest with you. This one is not the one of the. I don't mind.

[Allison Rosen]

It's like saying don't blame leg warmers and shoulder pads for the 80s. Or neon.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. Or Nagel. I know you thought he said bagel, but it was Nagel. I know everything that sounds close to bagel. You're confirmed. The point is this. They were the 80s. They made the 80s. Oh, alright. It's coming again. It's not even a song, it's a record. It's such shit.

[David Wild]

Actually, by the guy who wrote Tubular Bells, the Exorcist theme.

[Adam Carolla]

How?

[David Wild]

With a little weird.

[Adam Carolla]

I wish OJ Would have killed him before he wrote this song. Number six. This is a top ten song.

[David Wild]

I think it's kind of your theme song. I believe you should work this into the next movie.

[Adam Carolla]

I can't go for that. Was number one. Adult education may be more insulting than this.

[David Wild]

I love that one.

[Allison Rosen]

What's the message of family man? His bark is worse than his bite. If you push him too far, he just might.

[David Wild]

Because he may look like a sort of like safe family guy, but there is sexuality and danger there. That's the message.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. They wrote great zero entendre songs. Man Eater.

[David Wild]

There's the one. There's the one. I had them on when I had a TV show called Musicians on Bravo. They were my first guest because one of my first guests, because I love them. And when we did the set list, they said, we're doing Maneater. And I didn't want to say, you know, you don't have to do Maneater. But they did do. On the other hand, Fair Time. I think She's Gone is maybe one of the best songs ever written.

[Adam Carolla]

Good. There you go. That's O.J. winning the Heisman. Oh, yes.

[David Wild]

So they get in the hall of Fame.

[Adam Carolla]

No, but we count. We still count. There's a body count here. My ears. It's man ears. Adult Ed. Well, I gotta hear some adult education now.

[David Wild]

Love this one.

[Adam Carolla]

Look.

[David Wild]

Produced by Nile Rogers.

[Adam Carolla]

Adult, Adult. Adult. You can't tell what year this is from or decade, can you?

[David Wild]

You are so white in your taste.

[Allison Rosen]

Because this is so funky.

[David Wild]

This is very funky.

[Adam Carolla]

White Bo.

[David Wild]

Next year on the Black Friday show, you gotta weave this in this is.

[Adam Carolla]

Very soulful afternoon in the home room.

[David Wild]

This is sort of like Nabokov with Nile Rogers producing. And I think actually Nile Rogers did produce this track. And this is one of those things. It was a new track for our greatest hits. It had to be great. And it was.

[Adam Carolla]

These are all top 10 songs, which means just, just, just dirigibles carrying sacks of cocaine just bombed program directors offices and just buried them.

[David Wild]

But do you get at it? It's not just about school. There's also another sexual double meaning. It's not just about adult classes.

[Adam Carolla]

I remember hearing this shit on the radio. And by the way, this is back before you had choices. You know, I just had a radio in my truck. I didn't have a CD player. I didn't plug in my ipod. It was the mighty 690.

[Allison Rosen]

Play this.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, I'm sure it did. This was my only choice. Fucking family, man. And man. Come on. I'm gonna. I'm gonna put on an explosive vest and charge the stage when they come up there.

[David Wild]

I just feel like you guys have a little double triple standard going here. For instance, Brian, you can, you know, our bredestinellis great, a Graham Parker fanatic. I just discovered on his podcast when he talked to Judd Apatow the other day. But he, you know, the film pays tribute to the music of Huey Lewis, Mr. Huey Lewis. You know, I think Huey Lewis is far more to blame for the 80s than hall notes. I think hall notes has a higher percentage of great material.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm with you. Hall and Oates has. You know, hall and Oates is like living in the desert. It's got the highs and the lows. You know what I mean? Huey Lewis is more living at the beach. It just. It doesn't vary that much. He lives between 61 and 78 degrees. You know, he's kind of not hot, just kind of in the middle now.

[Allison Rosen]

Except to Jimmy Kimmel, who loves him, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, Jimmy loves Huey. And I gotta say, I'm completely down with working for a living. But you got Huey Lewis in the news. I cannot stand stuck with you. That's a nursery rhyme that both my kids. One of my kids could write. If I first hit him with a frying pan. That's the only way my kid could write. Yes, it's true and yeah, I can see, you know, it's a nursery rhyme. But again, it's not Huey's fault. I think it's the program director's fault. Maybe Huey's just filling up a B.

[David Wild]

Side and he Literally did come in. Because the thing is, hall notes, their music before the MTV era is amazing. I think Abandoned Luncheonette, Atlantic Records, early RCA Records, Sarah Smile. That stuff is just stellar to me. The MTV era.

[Adam Carolla]

And they started sucking, sucking, sucking.

[David Wild]

One man sucking is another man's blowing.

[Adam Carolla]

Look, that's what I was saying. Thank you. Your baseball player. It's not how many hits you got, it's how many times you get to the plate and how many times you get a hit and how many outs did you get? That's your batting average.

[Brian Bishop]

Who has a higher. More disparity between good and bad? Because hall notes has some great and some awful, as we've heard today.

[David Wild]

Billy Joel. Billy Joel has some very disparity.

[Brian Bishop]

I was going to submit Elton John.

[Allison Rosen]

David Bowie.

[Adam Carolla]

I was going to say Elton John because when he's doing. I don't want to go on with you like that, that's the worst fucking song.

[David Wild]

A lot of prepositions there.

[Adam Carolla]

One of the worst songs on the planet. Hey. I would say Rolling Stones have some pretty, pretty, pretty good highs and some pretty fucking low. Angie is a fucking piece of shit, in my opinion.

[Allison Rosen]

Oh, I'd say Aerosmith.

[Adam Carolla]

No, Angie's. Angie's a poor example of their piece of shit song.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

That's just.

[Adam Carolla]

That's a song you don't like. But that's not a bad song. They have horrifically bad songs.

[Brian Bishop]

Erasmus, a good. A good nomination, too.

[Adam Carolla]

Thank you. Rats in the Cellar, Toys in the Attic. Two best ones. All right, where the hell were we? A couple things. Let me give a little love to one of our sponsors, and then I'll share a couple things with you guys that I wanted to get into first off, in the department where, Brian, you've been around long enough to know that everything I complain about comes to fruition or everything I say is not true turns out not to be.

[Brian Bishop]

Tr verify this.

[Adam Carolla]

And people want to know why. And it's easy. You all have the answers. They're all just within you. When you hear, and I don't know, Gary, if you can find it or not, but when I used to pass these billboards that would say 44,000Americans died of secondhand smoke, I'd just go, how could that be? And then I would talk to Dr. Drew and I'd go, have you ever treated anybody who died of secondhand smoke? And he'd go, no. And then I'd say, but in all your years as a physician, in all the hospitals you've worked at and all the physicians you know and he'd go, nah, doesn't. And then I realized I never heard of a dignitary or celebrity or a neighbor or anyone going, he died of secondhand smoke. And then I realized, oh, this is bullshit, cuz we'd all be dead. Anyone who ever worked at a bar, travel on an airplane back in the day would just be dead. But yet it was almost 50,000. I mean, that basically the same body count that we had in Vietnam was also attributed to secondhand smoke. And that's when I knew it was fucking bullshit. And I was yelling. I've been yelling about that since probably.

[Brian Bishop]

Since it was a big thing in the early 90s or somewhere around there.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? So we'll wait.

[Brian Bishop]

What is that? What is that?

[Adam Carolla]

We'll get you a recent article on that that people have been sending me first. Lumosity baby. Oh, yeah, I see. I. I would like to forget about Maneater, but if you'd like to improve your memory, you use lumosity.com. it's important you customize exercises for your brain, your being, your main bean man. That's the core, a form of adult.

[David Wild]

Education, so to speak.

[Adam Carolla]

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[David Wild]

Adult education.

[Adam Carolla]

God. Okay, I don't get it. I don't get what accomplished musicians are doing. What are they doing? Why doesn't somebody raise their hand and go, you know, what we're doing right now sucks. Like, if somebody said to me, I want you to write some jokes about, like, how bad airline food is or some super fucked out topic that was super hackneyed, I just go, no, that's not interesting or different.

[David Wild]

I will tell you, not less. You know, maybe a month ago, I stood with them on the side of the stage in Ryman Auditorium. There's still audiences that go nuts for that song.

[Adam Carolla]

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[David Wild]

Actually, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Jimmy played it at my wedding, but now he'll play it at my funeral. It's just fucking with me now. That's what's going on. All right. Something that's gonna put me in a much better mood trying to figure this out. So I'm trying to get hold of Tom Cruise. David Wilde, I feel like you could be my conduit to Tom Cruise. I'm trying to get him for this Paul Niven driving doc. And I realized sitting down with Tom Cruise is not an easy task. And he has a publicist, he probably has five. And he doesn't sit down with people because they start getting into Scientology and divorces and Oprah and sofas and couch jumping and Matt Lauer and next thing you know, they're not doing their job or they're fired. I only want to talk to him about racing and racing with Paul Newman, which he did for two years.

[Allison Rosen]

And then started talking about that other stuff. You would shut him up.

[Adam Carolla]

I would start steering him toward racing. Racing with Paul Newman.

[David Wild]

But you truly, that's all you want. And no one would ever believe that.

[Adam Carolla]

That'S all I'm doing is a documentary on Paul Newman's driving. And he traveled with him he loved for a couple of years. I guess they met in the color money and then he said, you know, you'd dig this. And they took him over to Bob Sharp in Connecticut. And Bob Sharp and Nissan put a car together for Cruise to drive. And he was really aggressive and really crazy and he did good, but he crashed a lot. And somewhere in the documentary, Bob Sharp basically said he was going to kill himself if he didn't stop driving. And he did stop driving. Mimi, as Bob said, Mimi was not into him driving anymore and he sensibly stopped. But he traveled around Doing the circuit with Bob Sharp and Paul Newman for two years. And I'd love to hear those stories.

[Allison Rosen]

He did that movie days of Thunder.

[Adam Carolla]

Where he played the connection to that film. The guy's film, yes, started, but. So what somebody said to me is if you put together a little two minute sizzle reel and you do it with book Tom, you can spread it out all over the place on YouTube and whatnot. And then we can. Someone will get it to him and that'll get him to do it. We're not going to get through his publicist, but if we can get to him, sit down with him. So I thought I would show you guys. It doesn't need the audio, I mean the video. But you can take a look at the two minute sizzle reel and I'll shout out when I. When there's a name that's familiar on there. See, it was the Oscars. People vote. They say him or her. In this, it isn't we vote and it's him and her. Will you either cross the finish line first? It's either him or her. That's what I like about the guy. So he won one academy award and he won four national championships as a driver. I think he was 48 years old when he started racing, which most people are retiring. He made the movie winning and kind of fallen in love with racing. He was terrible at first. He was very slow and I didn't think he had a prayer. And he wasn't racing Ferraris and he wasn't racing Milano. He was racing Datsuns. It was something the average guy could aspire to. Well, I think he liked the camaraderie and I think the fellowship of the fellow driver. As you know, it's nothing like it. It's not anything you can have in Hollywood at all. I always wanted to be a jock. I skied and boxed and played football badly. I had no physical grades. The only thing that I ever found any grace in was an automobile. The guy was technically Mario, really a good driver.

[Quinton Aaron]

He just had that ability.

[Adam Carolla]

How do people in show business regard his racing? I'm not sure they know he races Joanne Woodward. At first he would take time, people and his wife. Sorry. And then later on the movies. Had to work around his. His racing schedule. Every year I keep saying that I'm going to, you know, stop all this. And so now it looks like I got a couple of really good scripts that will go during the spring and the summer. So all I have to do is.

[Quinton Aaron]

Burn all those scripts, you see.

[Adam Carolla]

So I Get back in the car again.

[Quinton Aaron]

I was worried about him.

[Adam Carolla]

I really was.

[Quinton Aaron]

Was seriously concerned.

[Adam Carolla]

His whole career looked as though it.

[Allison Rosen]

Were going to go down the.

[Quinton Aaron]

The train because all he wanted to do was race. And that was all that he was really interested in.

[Adam Carolla]

They'll have to strap me down before they keep me out of these things. So somebody who knows tom cruise out there can send it to him.

[David Wild]

That looks fantastic. I had no. I mean, you're rescuing paul newman from a salad dressing. To show what an icon he was.

[Adam Carolla]

People had no idea what a maniac he was about driving.

[David Wild]

I didn't know. Also, I didn't know he started racing when he was 47. That's crazy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah. Came with his kid down to lime rock and jumped in the back of bob sharp's car and he took him around a few times. Those old time guys are always so cool. Somebody. Somebody said. Evidently when paul newman would put the sunglasses on, he just really couldn't tell who he was. Especially those gearheads who live in the middle of connecticut. And there's this great thing where he says, somebody, after he got out of bob sharp's car, somebody said, wasn't that paul newman? And bob sharp said it was paul something or other. I don't remember.

[Brian Bishop]

That's funny. That was the first time I got a look at that. I don't think any of us had it. It was really good. Give it a b.

[Allison Rosen]

Was that hard to get some of the older footage?

[Adam Carolla]

No. The thing that's weird about the newman doc is I had people. There's like underground geek videos that if you have some of his cars or you're into bob sharp racing or whatever that is, people will feed them to you. And so I've been aware of them for a long time. And I remember seeing that thing of him going, the academy awards, they vote. It's him or her. But it's this. They don't vote. It's whoever crosses the line first. And I thought, man, yeah. And then I thought, that's the opening. That should be the opening of the documentary. But I saw so much footage of him. And then every time I would talk to somebody about it, they'd go, what, salad dressing? What? And I'd be like, no, no, he's really into car racing. And like, oh, like the celebrity circuit. And I'd be like, first off, there is no celebrity circuit. I wouldn't be here right now. And secondly, no, he raced professionally. He had sponsors and he raced. That's all he got out of the car. When he was 83 and then he died six months later. Like he raced the last 35 years of his life, like non stop.

[David Wild]

He was also such a handsome leading man that maybe I'm wrong, but my impression was it was in later performances where he really like absence of malice to me, not absence of malice. The verdict to me is the greatest performance he ever gave. And you know, that was late in the career.

[Adam Carolla]

He never. He acted for basically 50 years, just nonstop. And he drove from, you know, when he was 47 to just when he died. Basically he was in his car, in his 80s, driving the car.

[Brian Bishop]

It's weird that he was an icon of acting and then started racing. Like his acting career, his place in Hollywood history was secured.

[Adam Carolla]

And when he was at his biggest is when he was at road Atlanta and lime rock and, you know, all these different tracks all over the country, just sleeping in a trailer home, like in a motorhome and stuff, and walking out and getting like right in the middle of everything would be Paul Newman.

[David Wild]

It would also be amazing to talk to Cruz and have you asked formally his people or you have not?

[Adam Carolla]

I'm not sure if we got there yet because I'll.

[David Wild]

I mean, I'll ask through whatever for sources I can. But the truth is he should talk because even the idea of how celebrity has changed. Imagine if the biggest, like, movie star in the world was doing that now. They couldn't. They'd be hunted. There'd be a million paparazzi. Back then, it wasn't like it was covered. Like.

[Adam Carolla]

It was a very nice thing. As Bob Sharp, who we went to his house in Connecticut and talked to him quite a bit. He was with Newman for, I don't know, 15 years. You know, the whole year they'd go on tour. You know, if you race, you just go on tour. You know, you don't state the same place. You're all over the country. But Bob Sharp would say to the media, you can have 15 minutes with Paul on Friday and if you start asking questions about Joanne's next movie and his next project, then he's going to have to go talk to the crew chief pretty quick. But if you want to talk racing, he loves racing and you'll talk for two hours. So he would go prep them and then they would talk racing. And if some dickhead wanted to know about Joanna's next movie, then he'd just leave. So they had an understanding. I think it was the same way the Kennedys had an understanding with the press. There used to be what they would call Gentlemen's agreements. Like, okay, listen, here's what you hear. I'll give you access to this. We don't want to talk about this. We will talk about this. And then everyone would act accordingly. Now it's just, oh, now he'd be in a porta potty taking a piss and someone would be holding a cell phone over their head and taking a picture through the vent at his honker. Right?

[Brian Bishop]

They'd be yelling cool Hand Luke sucks. To get a reaction out of him.

[Adam Carolla]

Take a picture. Right, right.

[Brian Bishop]

Or the Sting. Take your pick.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Brian Bishop]

Yeah, get on it.

[Adam Carolla]

I had it, it sat in a box for like four years and then I hooked it up and I went, where have you been? Where's the whole life? That's right. And then I mounted it anyway. David Wild, sir. So when is the Rock and Roll hall of Fame and what's the lineup? And I just named off a couple bands, but there must be many more inductees. And then you're part of the voting body, right?

[David Wild]

I'm one of the voters. I don't nominate, I vote. Yeah. And it's coming up and it's going to be in Brooklyn this year. I actually just ran into one of the producers, Gary Goetzman, who's with, you know, Tom Hanks. They're looking forward to it in there. You know, the Replacements didn't make it, which some of the rock and rollers alter, you know, sort of alternative rockers weren't happy about. I'm mad that your friend LL Cool J, star of the Black Friday show, did not make it this year.

[Adam Carolla]

But, but he's hosting, that's the good news. So he'll induct Himself. Yeah, he does what he wants.

[David Wild]

No, but it'll be. I think it's gonna be going off.

[Brian Bishop]

Script for a second.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, one off prompter. Cat Stevens.

[David Wild]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

He won't be there, will he?

[David Wild]

Oh, he'll be there. I bet you he'll be there. I gotta tell you, I tweeted last night, he's on the no Fly List. I have a story. No, I am.

[Adam Carolla]

I saw your tweet. But what is Cat Stevens? When's the last time he was in the United States?

[David Wild]

Oh, no, he's in the United States all the time. I've seen him 10 times in the United States in the last few years.

[Adam Carolla]

Watch this. Yeah, but still, now it's the time.

[David Wild]

Yeah, there you go. No, he. He comes here fairly often.

[Adam Carolla]

He does.

[David Wild]

He's very much a man of the world. He's been performing music. He performed sleeper cell at the. Was it the El Rey not that many years ago. Performed Cat Steven songs. He. I here's a good name drop. A rare Muslim name drop from me. I was, I think, the first person he sang those songs to after not singing them for 15, 20 years. Because I won the Muslim Public Policy award with him. 2001, we.

[Adam Carolla]

I was, I lost a lot of money on that.

[Brian Bishop]

Exactly.

[David Wild]

You know, at temple. I lost a lot of money on that too. But he came back with a VH1 documentary, a two hour thing about his conversion. That was the first thing he did when he returned to sort of talking about his music. And I was the interviewer for him and we traveled around England together on that.

[Adam Carolla]

Does he live in England now?

[David Wild]

He lives in England, but he also travels the world. He's really. And he's an amazing guy. Fantastic guy.

[Adam Carolla]

Is he. Was he Ramsay something? Yusuf Islam, the Ram. The other ones.

[Brian Bishop]

What was the award you two won?

[David Wild]

We won the Muslim Public Policy Award.

[Brian Bishop]

That must have been a tough ceremony, 2001.

[David Wild]

My wife came with me. Must have been an awkward ceremony.

[Allison Rosen]

I think it was earlier.

[David Wild]

It was February. It was February 2001. My wife came and we sat at the table and they had a Muslim stand up comedian. And I remember it was like the jokes were like, inshallah, it means it ain't gonna happen. Which usually means like may Allah will it. That was sort of the joke. It killed. Then they showed a package of like, you know, Muslim terrorists in movies and they laughed at it like it was absurd.

[Adam Carolla]

Take my wives, please.

[David Wild]

Yeah, that was an interesting night. The Muslim Public policy awards downtown LA, 2001. And then actually at 911 happened and then I was writing the Tribute to Heroes. And I remember weirdly writing Yousef and a few other of the heads of the organization saying, I need quotes from the Koran speaking to tolerance. And you would be hard pressed to find some great ones in the. I gotta say, it's not. That's not really what they specialize in.

[Brian Bishop]

It's not a through line.

[David Wild]

Not a through line in the Quran.

[Adam Carolla]

I do that to everyone who's getting on my flight just to try to keep an eye on people if they spit one out quickly. I keep an eye on.

[David Wild]

But I treasure my muzzy as I call it my Muslim publication.

[Allison Rosen]

Cat Stevens is someone where if I hear the song playing, I enjoy it. And I own Cat Stevens music, but I never want to put it on and listen to it on my own because it just makes me. It makes me too emotional.

[David Wild]

Oh, really? I'm a fan like you.

[Allison Rosen]

You just rock out.

[Adam Carolla]

Allison's a fan, too.

[Allison Rosen]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But it. But I find it too sensitive to introspective.

[David Wild]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

The Father and son song is like, amazing. I mean, it's amazing. But here's. So his Muslim name is Yusuf Islam. All right. And I was yapping about this with Dr. Drew today, actually. ITunes. Best new podcast at 2013. Congratulations. Thank you very much. Drew in the hissy. We won it last year. Or we won the best overall last year and now we got the best new one.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

The.

[Adam Carolla]

I was laughing about this because I've always said, you know, Cat Stevens is not a name to change. But Cassius Clay is one of the coolest names ever. Lu Alcindor, one of the. These are all the guys that changed their name. But if you think of it, your name is Cassius Clay. That's a fucking awesome name. Your name is Dick Trickle.

[Brian Bishop]

Change it, by all means, embrace it.

[Adam Carolla]

And how funny would that be on the NASCAR circuit? He's a NASCAR driver.

[David Wild]

Cat Stevens name was not Cat Stevens. It was like Steven Gregorio.

[Adam Carolla]

Does not matter chicks. Exactly. The bitch is called you Cat.

[David Wild]

That was cool.

[Adam Carolla]

That's the point.

[David Wild]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

When your name's Cat Stevens and or Cassius Clay.

[Allison Rosen]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

You keep it, man. The weirdest fact is he should change.

[David Wild]

Neil Diamond's real name is Neil diamond, but he wanted to change it to Noah Kaminsky. That's true.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[David Wild]

That's what he thought. It was more like Art Garfunkel. It was more ethnic and cool.

[Adam Carolla]

What is Engelbert Humperdinck's real name? Because that's Dorsey.

[David Wild]

Jerry Dorsey.

[Adam Carolla]

That's one of the craziest ones. Yeah.

[David Wild]

Inglewood Humprick is the guy who invented. Was it wrote Hansel and Gretel, Is that it? Or invented barbed wire. One of those two things.

[Adam Carolla]

Either way, it's a crazy thing to go. I'm gonna make my name super complicated and weird.

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah. Especially if you're sitting on a cool name.

[David Wild]

Well, you know what? It was all those. Actually, Cat Stevens was the exact moment in England in 1963, 4, 5, 6, 7. There were all these gay managers who were taking every pretty guy like Cat Stevens or Tom Jones or Engelbert Humperdinck, giving them names, putting them in a suit with tight fitting pants, you know, giving them an image that was like those British gay guys were the ones shaping rock history. And trousers.

[Adam Carolla]

They're like, you're not leaving without a kerchief. Exactly. Just picture them all wearing super tight striped pants with a neckerchief.

[Allison Rosen]

I am.

[Adam Carolla]

And pulled off just a little bit like. They pulled off to like 9:00 o', clock, maybe 10:30.

[David Wild]

Father and son. I stood with Yusuf and this is after years of him not talking to anybody other than other sort of religious guys. And we went to the home where he lived. He grew up in Leicester Square, which is like Times Square. It's total middle of London, sort of showbiz district. And his father ran a cafe and was this sort of. And you sensed, I think he had a real. He had real issues with his dad. I mean, obviously that sort of come through in that song. He didn't. And he grew up in that show business thing. And I think he wanted. That's why the whole religious thing is partly his getting as far away from that thing. He sort of felt in the middle of, you know, I don't know, it was very funny. I sat in the room where he wrote those songs and it was very, very powerful. I happen to really be a fan of his.

[Adam Carolla]

I am as well. Father and Son song is great. Linda Ronstadt, by the way, in the pantheon of songs that'll bring you to tears if you're feeling the least bit melancholy. We should make a list. Father and son will bring it to your knees Long, Long Time is just one of the best love songs. Unrequited Love or Jilted Lover. It's like I can almost hear it now. It's that powerful.

[David Wild]

I'm having the same experience and you've spoken about it really eloquently. And also her beauty, because at that moment she was maybe the most beautiful vision ever and she was something.

[Allison Rosen]

Was this circa the album cover of her in roller skates?

[Adam Carolla]

No, earlier that way. Before she was hanging with the Stone Ponies. Back then, I think Steve Martin.

[Quinton Aaron]

Who.

[David Wild]

I don't know if you. Have you met with Steve Martin at all?

[Adam Carolla]

No, but I feel like he knows me.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

He's not.

[David Wild]

But he's not a guy who's gonna say this kind of thing. But he. When I interviewed him, he talked about opening for her when she was at the Troubadour. And he just said, holy shit, was she hot. Like, yeah, there was. She would wear a white dress. That's not Steve Martini videos. She would perform in this little short white dress. The spotlight would hit her and every Eagle and every. It would be like Albert Brooks and Steve Martin and the Eagles, who were not, you know, her backing band. At that point, every guy would just leave that guy sweat and their tongues would fall, you know, out like a cartoon character. She was something.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[David Wild]

What a voice.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Does she still tour or.

[David Wild]

She actually been. She has. She's ill and revealed she can no longer sing because of her illness. But she. She could up until three or four years ago, I believe.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Time.

[Brian Bishop]

What does she have?

[Adam Carolla]

Everything.

[Allison Rosen]

Is it Parkinson's or ms, one of those?

[Adam Carolla]

Revealed she had something.

[David Wild]

Yeah, she wrote a book, a memoir, and revealed it.

[Adam Carolla]

And we'll find it. All right. Linda. Ron said, love that song. All right, we got a couple of calls. Allison, I want to get into that secondhand smoke BS and my. And my hand soap thing first. I'll take a phone call. Let's see, I'll just start at the top. Hey, Jessica.

[Quinton Aaron]

Hey.

[Adam Carolla]

37 Long Beach. What's going on?

[Allison Rosen]

Hey, Adam. I'm a huge fan and supporter of the pirate ship.

[Adam Carolla]

Thank you so much.

[Stacey Dash]

Through your site.

[Adam Carolla]

I love that about you.

[Allison Rosen]

And I've read all your books and when people ask you to borrow them, I tell them to fuck off and buy their own because my copy is signed.

[Adam Carolla]

Thank you. Appreciate it. Anyway, I thought of you.

[Stacey Dash]

I thought of you because I heard.

[Allison Rosen]

And I wanted to see if you heard about this Affluenza syndrome.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, I have.

[Allison Rosen]

And I just wanted to get your opinion on that because you're the first.

[Adam Carolla]

Person I thought about when I heard it. There's a case of a 16 year old kid, his parents were divorced and kind of let him run wild and live in a mansion and booze and have all the fun he wanted to have. And I guess, I don't know, vehicular manslaughter or something like That a couple people got killed. Four.

[Allison Rosen]

Four people were killed and then two were injured.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. His lawyer's basically saying he had no conscience. He didn't grow up with boundaries or rules or consequences. And, you know, it's not an excuse, but whether, you know, there's different versions of this. There's a version where you just grow up in the poorest part of town with no dad around and no consequences and no discipline. And when you're 13, you join your first street gang, and when you're 16, you shoot your first person. That's that. And then this is the same. This is the rich guy version of that. There's a version of no steady hand, meaning Dad's either banging a secretary or on the golf course or out of town on business all the time, and all he does is try to throw money at the problem. Or their dad has moved to Florida and has sired a few more kids and never gonna see your ass again. It's the same difference. It's no dad, no boundaries, no firm hand. I've said it a million times. There's much different roles in the mom and the dad, and the dad needs to discipline, and if the dad ain't disciplining. So on one hand, yes, the guy was a little pain in the ass, and the guy was 16, and the guy was out of control. But as I said, Molly Ringwald. The Ringwald family grew up down the street from me in North Hollywood. And at a certain point, Molly went from this little, sort of mousy, little freckled redhead whose sister Beth was really the beautiful blonde of the. You know, she was the beauty queen, the sister. They moved out here from Placerville, you know what place up north? Yeah. For the beautiful blonde sister. And the little mousey redhead didn't get any attention.

[David Wild]

That's like a John Hughes movie with the star of all the John Hughes movies.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. And then at a certain point, she's on the COVID of Life magazine and Time magazine, like, in the same month. And then somebody said to me, at a certain point, I think Molly's a little bitchy and, like, a little standoffish. And I was like, how would you be if you were 17 and on the COVID of Life magazine? You know what I mean? Like, what would we all be like if we were looking at mansions up around Mulholland at 18 to buy? And things like that?

[Brian Bishop]

That combined with when people approach her with anything was just, hello, or, you're awesome in this, or, I love your movie, or can you sign? Or whatever they have they bring expectations into it and she's just another person in your life, you know, like you would meet a stranger like hey, how's it going?

[Adam Carolla]

I'm fully convinced that all of us could have been ruined. And at an early age if my dad had a fucking nickel and he showered tons of money on me and never said no and was absent out making kajillions of dollars abroad in Dubai and stuff like that, you might not.

[Allison Rosen]

Be the humble down to earth person you are today.

[Adam Carolla]

Salt to the earth. But yes. Quiet. I was on a roll, but yes.

[David Wild]

Can I roll a completely contrary theory past you?

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Hell yeah.

[David Wild]

Today we had to just write something for the college counselor for my son, my older son, like telling him about what might we think of our kid. And I really thought. My kid is.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on, what you think they tell.

[David Wild]

You they want to know. You have to write these things.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, hold on. Matt Fondelier. Be prepared for an assignment in about 10 years. No fucking way I'm wasting 10 minutes. Sonny is enthusiastic. It's just a waste of my time. Fair minded, handsome and one of the most generous children I've ever had the privilege of raising.

[David Wild]

But you've met my kids. And despite what you might think of me, they're good kids. They're good kids.

[Adam Carolla]

They're fives.

[Brian Bishop]

Not good.

[Adam Carolla]

They're not good, that's for damn sure.

[David Wild]

But I think he came out. He came out who he is.

[Adam Carolla]

Does the counselor need you to.

[David Wild]

We need to recommend our kid to the counselor. No, they just want to know your thoughts, your wishes, your dreams about your kid.

[Adam Carolla]

This reminds me, you know, this shit never stops, Adam.

[Allison Rosen]

You know the first day in class back in high school and even before that when they'd have you write something down about like what you're hoping to get out of the class. And I never knew what your this feels like that only about your kid.

[David Wild]

Oh, you get ready, Adam. You don't know the things that your dad, your parents never did that you will be doing at these schools.

[Adam Carolla]

Tomorrow morning at 8:30 I'm going to their winter whatever. That's. I don't. First off. Anyway, I don't know where to start. But here's what I'm saying. I don't think we're helping our children by making every single one of them feel like individual superstars. I just don't think because they're being pushed into a huge waiting room filled with other people that feel like they're rock stars. Except for there's going to be millions of them and that's going to cause a problem.

[Allison Rosen]

See, the problem is I think that parents are maybe making up for something that they didn't get in their childhood or acting on what feels best to the parent, thinking that that's what's best for the kid. I think if you build your kid up and give them confidence based on doing what's best for your kid, that will create something good.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, well, but. So back to the initial question. Look, you take a 16 year old and from birth to 16, all they know is no boundaries, do whatever you want. No one's your boss, no one can tell you to do. I do not know that me or anybody I grew up with would not be a fucking self entitled, self indulgent piece of shit. And I cannot say that I wouldn't be drunk driving a Cherokee with five of my friends in it. Like I. You know, there's a lot of crimes where you hear about the one where the guy went, old lady just walking down the street, guy jumps on her, starts beating her about the face and shoulders. She falls to the ground. Even after she was unconscious, he kept kicking her in the head. And you're like, fucking animal. Like, I could never ever do that. And then you hear about the one where it's like the guy was in the back of a Subaru Brat and he pulled his ass out and he was hanging it out and the guy in the semi truck swerved and now we have two. And I always think, I could have done something like that. As a matter of fact, I have done that. It's just nothing happened. You know what I mean? It's like the people that get all high and mighty about drunk driving. Meanwhile we all have a Christmas party or two that we've driven home from where we've been over the limit.

[Brian Bishop]

Well, that and the number of near misses in any one of our lives. Just we know, fucking around. We were teenagers or whatever. If you think back on it, it's pretty.

[Adam Carolla]

It's pretty chilling, right?

[Brian Bishop]

Probably any one of. I mean, Allison, maybe less.

[Allison Rosen]

I was always hanging my ass out a window.

[Brian Bishop]

Whether it's that or something else, we've all had a fair number of weeks.

[Adam Carolla]

I have circled the globe in the boot of a two seat sports car. Meaning you got the Triumph, the mg, the Datsun roadster. Ray was in front, Chris was in front. And I was sitting on the piece of sheet metal in the back, sideways, hanging on to the back of the seat. Like not belted in, not anything in. And we were hauling ass on Mulhot. I'VE been in the back of a million pickup trucks that were like, oh, this guy wants to race. You're sliding around in the back of the pickup truck. I mean, yes, something could have happened and it didn't. But to me, it's still different kind of crime than the kicking the old person in the head. Tom 46. Hey, what's going on? I have an issue. Starting next year, they're not going to allow me to carry over all my vacation days. And I've accumulated. By the end of next year, I'll have 70. 70 vacation days. 70. I'm a golf course superintendent, so I can't really take them from. I can't really take a lot of days off in the season, which is here in Jersey, by the way. You work on a golf course. What kind of grind is that? Oh, man, the daily grind. Golf everywhere. Yeah. I've never regretted or dreaded a day going to work. I know, but why do you need a day off? You work on a golf course. Were you going to go to a Cuban golf?

[Brian Bishop]

He's never taken one.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. You don't have to. I don't have to. Every day I go to work is a vacation. I'm just saying.

[Brian Bishop]

Tom, do you have kids or family?

[Adam Carolla]

No, I have a wife. Nope, no kids.

[Brian Bishop]

Okay. And do you have to take the vacation days in what part of the year?

[Adam Carolla]

Off season, Meaning what month? Meaning from end of Thanksgiving to maybe Easter. But are you saying that you must take the 70 days or I lose them so you can literally take. I mean, when you do the working days, you're taking three and a half months off of work if you're doing a five day work week. Right, exactly. And I would have to take the whole winter off. Will your job be waiting for you when you return? You know, there's projects that I want to do over the winter that won't get done if I take off. Like fix the windmill, things like that. Here's all. Hold on a second. Here's all I would say. Like when you're gone for three and a half months, people kind of move on. And then when they move on and you come back, it's a miniature golf course. I've decided it was. I like to downgrade everybody either way. But you know what I'd like? I would like a miniature golf course that still had the hot looking chick with the Miller lights and the bloody Marys on it driving around in the cart because, look, it's nice to have a cocktail on a Sunday morning at 8 o' clock when you're teeing off with your buddies. But it's more like Saturday night when you're dragging your fucking kids out to miniature golf. That's when you need a fucking pop.

[Brian Bishop]

Why can't we combine the best parts of golf and miniature golf? Yeah, miniature golf is the golfing and golf is the drinking.

[Adam Carolla]

And if my kid was like, yeah, my kid was like, I want to have a party at the putt putt golf. And I knew the hot chick, you know, you're in, the junior college chick, who was 19, in the tight shorts, was gonna be pouring the tall boys, I'd be like, yeah, daddy could go for that. It'll be fine. We gotta have her just riding over stuff. Okay.

[Brian Bishop]

Over the little hills.

[Adam Carolla]

Write that down. I would use half of them. I would not use all of them. I feel like you leave your job for three and a half months, but.

[Brian Bishop]

It'S the off season. He's the superintendent. He's been there probably for 20 years. So the point is, they can afford to let him go. They can't fire him for using vacation days.

[Adam Carolla]

Mm.

[Brian Bishop]

I think that's illegal.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. Anyway, where should he go? It's not like he can go somewhere for 70 days, is it? Is that what he's saying?

[David Wild]

It's the winter. Come out here and golf.

[Adam Carolla]

What am I going to do? Stay home and watch TV all day?

[David Wild]

Put around the house?

[Adam Carolla]

He doesn't want to. You should be able to sell your vacation days for like 50 cents to the dollar or something to other guys who would like to buy vacation days.

[Brian Bishop]

I can see that.

[Adam Carolla]

It should be like, you know, like Al Gore talking about the carbon chips or whatever he's talking about. You know what I mean? You should be able to units, you know, you should be able just work this guy's. I don't know, Tom. What are you asking? Where should you go? What should you do? What would you do if you had 70 days and you had to use them or. Thing is, you don't have to use them, but you will lose them. I would. What do you like to do? Do you like to do something rather than just relax? I like to go to work. Okay, well, then go to work. You work on a golf course. Get a second job. Yeah, I don't care. All right. You know what? I do care. The Spoils of Babylon. Did you guys see this? No. What is is. Well, first off, it's Will Ferrell, but it's Eric John Roche's epic novel. It's now an epic miniseries coming to IFC.

[Brian Bishop]

IFC thing.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah. Thursday, January 9th. It's a six part miniseries. It's got Kristen Wiig, Tobey Maguire, Will Ferrell, Jessica Alba, Val Kilmer, Haley Joel Osmond, Tim Robbins, Michael Sheen.

[Brian Bishop]

This read would be a lot shorter if he's listed the actors who weren't in it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you're right. The premiere night will include two back to back episodes. The Spoils of Babylon. IFC. Thursday, January 9, 10 o', clock, 9 Central. Let's not miss this. All right, David Wilde, website Wild about music. Oh, that's Twitter. Sorry, Twitter. No, website Wild about music is where you go if you want to tweet out to him. Bret Easton Ellis in next. And we'll be right back after this. Nice job. Dick Banks. Bret Easton Ellis here. He's got a new podcast, Bret Easton Ellis podcast. And Kanye West I noticed was on there. Marilyn Manson, Jed Apatow available. New episodes, by the way, available Tuesday on itunes. And you can go to podcast one if you like. Good to see you, Brett. Hey, Adam.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

How are you doing?

[Adam Carolla]

Good. I just read here. We were just talking about American Psycho the other day, but I'm not sure.

[Brian Bishop]

Why I was doing a review. I do a movie segment here once a week called Hooray for Baldywood and I was reviewing American Psycho. Excuse me, American Hustle. Christian Bale was tremendous in that and I was opining that he was one of our finest actors and had tremendous range and American Cycle came up, which is one of my very favorite films.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Yeah, he does have tremendous range, but he hasn't been able to show it for a long time. I think American Hustle is the first movie where he's not locked into the Batman mask and he's actually playing a character. You know, he hasn't really had that opportunity for a long time maybe, and he hasn't been as funny in a movie since American Psycho. I don't.

[Brian Bishop]

I thought he was unintentionally funny in the Fighter. I mean, some of the things he did were playing against a lot of the heaviness in that fight.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Well, that was a pretty dramatic role. And again, he did the dramatic weight loss compared to the dramatic weight gain for American Hustle. But no, you're right, the Fighter was pretty. That was.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, he was sort of like in Raging Bull, Joe Pesci was screaming at his wife, I'm gonna stab you with a fork. But it was funny at the time. Like Joe Pesci's character wasn't a comedic character in that movie. Another movie about boxers. Another Sidekick who was being sort of funny without trying to be funny, I guess.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Right. But the Christian Bale character in the Fighter, I mean, is such a major drug addict that I don't know if it's funny or not. I mean, he doesn't get those comic riffs that Joe Pesci does in Raging Bull, those rages that are so outlandish that you have to laugh at them.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

And especially the banter between him and De Niro in that is hysterical. But it's just so profane and crazy and, you know, based on so little.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

They get pissed off at each other for so little.

[Allison Rosen]

I have a question for you. If American Psycho came out now, what do you think would be the reaction versus what it was then? Like, I'm just wondering, do you feel like people are more okay with stuff that's graphic?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I think it's just the nature of how we read books and how books are dealt with in the culture. They definitely don't have the same place that they do when American Cycle was published, or at least a novel, let's not say, you know, there are certain. Malcolm Gladwell has books come out that sell, you know, a gazillion copies. And people talk about those books. That's nonfiction, too. But the big. The big novel that comes out that gets everyone talking for a long time, for a sustained period. I don't know if it really exists in the culture so much or it's in a much smaller part of the culture. So if American Psycho came out now, would there be a lot of, you know, talk about the violence and the pornography in it compared to what else is available to us?

[Allison Rosen]

50 shades of gray.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Well, 50 shades of gray is like nothing compared to, you know, what American Psycho is. But, you know, when that book was published in the early 90s, I mean, what was available to us in terms of what could shock us or upset us? I mean, we didn't have the access that we do now. So when a book came out or an NC17 movie was art house, people wanted to go. They were curious because they were going to have an experience they couldn't get anywhere else.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I mean, first off, just something like Last Tango in Paris was a big deal, you know?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Big deal, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Wouldn't have been a big deal today at all.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Not at all.

[Adam Carolla]

But we don't have time for big deals anymore. I mean, it's just everything is moving so quickly that no matter who it is or what happens, we're just on to the next news cycle.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Well, the problem with that, of course, is that. That then renders everything disposable. It just feels disposable. So much of what's coming out in terms of film or music or, you know, a band that you're interested, who, like, hits for, like a week on itunes, and then it's, you know, there's just so much content flooding.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Flooding toward us that it's, you know, it's hard to just land on something and have something really speak for itself for a long period of time. A long period of time is what, a month? I mean, how long do even the most popular movies, you know, play theatrically?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I just had a crazy thought, but what if the Beatles hit tomorrow? They'd have a bunch of good songs and people would like them, and I guess, you know, Beyonce's kept fairly relevant for a few years. But would the Beatles be the Beatles? No, they just couldn't, I don't think anywhere. Like, if they played Ed Sullivan, half the country, you know, if they did the Tonight show, half the country would not tune in to watch them on that. I don't know if Lucy could be Lucy. Or Elvis could be Elvis.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Or Norman Mailer. Norman Mailer. Or Ernest Hemingway. Ernest Hemingway to just name.

[Adam Carolla]

What bands were those dudes?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Oh, different.

[Brian Bishop]

I'm sorry.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I haven't gotten onto the level yet.

[Allison Rosen]

I'm getting there.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

Now, did you grow up in the San Fernando Valley?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I grew up in Sherman Oaks on Valley Vista Boulevard.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow. Right along the wash there.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Yeah, I did. I was born and raised.

[Adam Carolla]

I got arrested on Valley Vista.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I almost got arrested on Valley Vista.

[Adam Carolla]

That ran along the river, right? No, was it on the other side of Ventura Boulevard?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

On the other side of Ventura?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, the other one was Valley Heart.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Okay. No, Valley Heart's way deep in the Valley. We're talking about Sherman Oaks in between Studio City and Encino.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I know, but what runs along the LA river there? Is it Valley What? Valley Heart. Oh, it is Valley Heart. Yeah, I got my Valley Hearts and my Valley Vistas screwed up. No, I grew up in North Hollywood.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Okay, so you know Valley Village.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, what did Valley Village do to.

[Allison Rosen]

Get arrested or almost arrested?

[Adam Carolla]

You must have went to Grant or something like that.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Oh, no, I'm going to. I'm going to expose something about myself. Now, I went to Buckley.

[Adam Carolla]

Still have the blazer?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I don't know if I still have the blazer, but I thought those uniforms were kind of rocking. I like those uniforms.

[Adam Carolla]

I thought.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I thought they were out of all the LA school uniforms. I thought The Buckley uniform was actually the most stylish.

[Adam Carolla]

They actually came with gray Poupon.

[Brian Bishop]

When I coached JV football at Harvard Westlake, that was the one team I knew we could beat.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Yeah, well, I mean, when I was going to Buckley, I mean, look, the truth was, I mean, there was a year where I guess all the private schools, you know, had their football games more or less for the season. And I remember the one season that I played, everyone was so wasted that there wasn't a touchdown.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

There wasn't a touchdown.

[Adam Carolla]

So what was the plan for you growing up? You went to a good school. You went to school? So you went to college? Yeah, I'm guessing. Where'd you go?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Just don't play that fancy music again. When I see where I'm going. Actually, I don't think you've ever heard of it. It's a really, really tiny art school in Vermont called Bennington College.

[Adam Carolla]

That still sounds Bennington, but literally, like.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

We'Re Talking about like 550 kids, you know, it was a seven sister school. It's in Bennington, Vermont.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow, it's really small. How can you. You can't get any further away from Sherman Oaks than Vermont.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I wanted to get away.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what I was about to say.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

How'd you find it?

[Allison Rosen]

It's really, it's really. It's one of the really good schools.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Look, my grades were not great. The only thing I was really interested in was writing, and I wasn't interested in anything else. And I was writing from a really early age. So I moved through school kind of bored. All I wanted to do was write and play music. I was in bands, and I was not interested in science or algebra or anything else. And so my grades weren't good. And so the college guidance counselor at the school said, look, you're not going to get into any of these places. Here are some small art schools, liberal arts schools where you can study writing that you have a chance of getting into. And one of the things about Bennington that was so appealing was that they didn't look at your SAT scores. You didn't have to. They didn't look at your gpa. They looked at what you sent them. Like, okay, I want to be, say, a painter. So you send in your sketches, your drawings. I want to be a musician. You send in tapes, Right? And so I sent in writing. And that's basically how I got in and did.

[Adam Carolla]

But you said you wanted to get away. I mean, because again, especially Vermont, you know, now everyone just jumps on A Southwest flight everywhere but Vermont a few years ago was way the hell out there.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

You still can't fly directly.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I didn't even, I didn't know where Vermont was when I was in high school. So were you trying to get away from your family?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

It wasn't my family so much. It was because that really was a school that had a reputation as the best writing school in the country at that time. Second probably to Iowa, but still Bennington had that reputation. And, you know, the added incentive was again, no gpa, no SAT scores. And the teachers there were impressive to me. The writing teachers were there. I liked the fact that you could take these small tutorials with them, which meant three to four kids per course. So it all looked really good. And also the campus was beautiful. It was up in the hills in Vermont and it was this kind of angelic, idyllic place to go to college. And I wanted to get just more away from la. I didn't want to. My dad wanted me to go to USC and pursue, go to business school. And because he was worried, he thought, how are you going to make it as a writer? And he had a point. I understand where his fear came from. But you know, when you're 18, you just don't think like that. And so.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you know, it's funny. You only hear from writers who've made it and musicians who've made it and comedians who've made it whose parents didn't want them. There could be a 7,000 hour documentary about the parents that said don't be a comedian and don't be a writer and don't start a band who are fucking right. Most of them are right.

[Brian Bishop]

That's part of the iceberg underwater.

[Adam Carolla]

It's funny because we only hear the success stories because, because no one wants to hear from the guy who's working at Costco when he should have listened to his dad and went to usc.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Right, but who are the parents who actually do encourage their kids to pursue a life in the arts? I mean, maybe when you're out of.

[Adam Carolla]

College you can do it with we are kids. That's all I can think of. They're the only parents historically who've ever encouraged anybody. I think they were pretty encouraging judging by the results and judging by what they did for a living, I would say the Arquettes were fairly encouraging. I don't think there's any way like a 17 year old David Arquette could have said to his dad, oh no, his dad would have went, there's no way. You're ever gonna make a nickel in this business when that's the only thing the family ever did. Yeah. It'd be like one of the Kennedys saying, there's no way you're ever gonna make it in politics. I feel like there are Cats. Other than that, I can't think of anyone. The Phoenixes in the Phoenixes.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Yeah, that's right. Very supportive of River.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. Oh. They put them out on the street with tambourines and said, make some money, dance.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

And then, of course, we're forgetting about, you know, we're forgetting about, you know, show business mothers.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Still kind of, you know, living their own dreams through their daughters and trying to get them out.

[Adam Carolla]

I think what they want, though, like, I know we all think they want their kids to be stars, but I just think they're a mess. Like, I'm not sure what they really think is going to happen.

[Allison Rosen]

Well, there's like, the Toddlers and Tiara's moms.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

There's the reality show. Let's land the reality show and see what happens.

[Adam Carolla]

So that's the dream. Was your dad a businessman?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

My dad was a businessman, yeah. Worked at Coldwell Banker and then moved to his own company that he started in the early 80s.

[Adam Carolla]

And he just figured, well, get your degree in business and you'll always be able to fall back on that.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Well, no, my dad said, I'm not paying for college. I'm not paying for you to go to college in Bennington. It's not going to happen.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

So your only option, really, is usc.

[Adam Carolla]

How did you pay for college?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I went over him to my grandfather, and I asked my grandfather, will you take care of this tuition that I have to pay for Bennington? And he had a lot of issues with my dad, and he said, gladly, gladly. Do you want to go to a more expensive school?

[Adam Carolla]

Was that your dad's dad?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

My dad's dad, yeah.

[Allison Rosen]

How perfectly manipulative.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I know. Crazy. The older I get and I look back on that time, I think, what a family. I don't know.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow. And so how mom and dad stay together.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

No. You want to play the music again? No. My mom and dad divorced when I was 17. And so. Yeah, I mean, but it wasn't uncommon among, you know, a lot of kids that I knew in la.

[Adam Carolla]

No, everyone.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

There were divorces going on. There were families breaking up at a school I went to.

[Adam Carolla]

At least everyone I knew was divorced. Yeah.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

So, I mean, it didn't. I wasn't like, divorce was not like the, you know, the psychic Disaster that I think a lot of parents worried as that they worry that their kids are going to experience. I was glad.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't remember having feelings about my parents getting divorced. Like, I know there's a lot of, like, what about the kids? I remember thinking, good, let's get the mongoose and the snake out of the same fucking cage. Can we do that?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Relief.

[Adam Carolla]

And then you guys can just go be porn pathetic on either ends of the valley. On your own, though.

[Brian Bishop]

Pep talk.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, let's try it. Hey, dad, you move to a shitbox in North Holland. Mom, you can stay in the same shitbox you're currently dying in, and this is going to be awesome. All right, Quarrels on three, get a hand in. That's right. Yeah, it wasn't. And I think most of my friends felt that way, too, although I don't think they felt special. It wasn't. I think if somebody said, what about me? They'd go, what about you? Your parents are getting divorced between them. That's the way it sort of felt back then.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Right. And I learned a lot. I learned a lot from not being, I guess, coddled, not being told I was so special, not getting the four gold stars, not, you know, getting on the losing team. We all still got, like, you know, an award, a trophy. I mean, I didn't grow up in that era, and I think that it just taught me a lot of things about just growing up and, for lack of a better term, manning up to stuff. For example, with bullying, I was bullied. It taught me a lot of things. It taught me to be covert. It taught me what to avoid. It taught me that, you know, people are shitty, kids are cruel, you know, And I moved on from that, you know, there was no other option. I mean, there weren't, like, bullying societies that you could go to where, you know, people helped you out. You were pretty much on your own. And in a strange way, you know, and I talked to a lot of guys who were my age that it really made them stronger in a way that, you know, you see kids today who are bullied in cyberspace committing suicide, and you start wondering, what kind of bubble were they raised in where they're not even able to deal with that on a certain level. Where does that come from? And what does that say to us about ourselves as a society?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I've said, by the way, I'm the only guy I know takes the pro bowling stance. But I say you have calluses on your fingers and on your feet for a reason. That that skin Gets toughened up a little bit. So you can handle a hot pot, or you can walk barefoot on some hot sand or cross a driveway. If it was the kind of skin you had on your belly, it would be incredibly painful just to walk from your bed into the bathroom at night. You build up little calluses on things, and that's what nature kind of is. We're designed to build up a little callus in certain places. Now, we're not designed to be repeatedly stabbed. We're just designed to build up calluses. And a certain amount of adversity, I think is good, especially for boys, but good for everybody. Not an overabundance of it not being physically harmed, but that element of growing up in a zero gravity environment. You lose muscle mass, you lose bone density.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Well, what happens is then when you really hit the disappointments in life that we all have, I mean, loss, death, then you collapse. You're not able to even handle someone criticizing you.

[Allison Rosen]

It feels like a betrayal.

[Adam Carolla]

You're like, what?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Right. That's not normal, I don't think. And that's something that's kind of worrying.

[Adam Carolla]

Look, my feeling is, if it's brand new, it's probably not normal. And it's probably not incredibly healthy either. Like the things that never existed. We've talked about it a million times. My kids was announced that my son needed to wear a corrective helmet. I'm like, why? Why does he need a corrective helmet? Well, he's six months old, and the skull is asymmetry. And I'm like, how come nobody I ever grew up with had a corrective helmet? I've never even heard of this. Why now? Why do we need it now? We've not evolved that much. It's only been, you know, 30 years. Why so much? And Allison's got a story about the antibacterial hand soap and all this kind of stuff. And I'm like, I don't think that stuff that's 10 minutes old is always a good. Always good, or at least necessary. And for some reason, this kicked into overdrive about five years ago. And we've all decided it's the most important thing in the world. I don't know.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Well, I think it started before five years ago. I mean, what about the Adderall epidemic? Pretty much everybody I know in their twenties were put on Adderall in their teen years. And it's just. They take them like vitamins and is it really needed? There was a very interesting article on the front page of the New York Times on Sunday about tracing the medical movement of creating this drug and the decade long way to get it prescribed. Really it was a process. It was like a building that was under the auspices of a very smart architect. They had the drug, how do we get it to the kids? And so they started to talk about add, bipolar disorder. And it was a drug that was so profitable, the profits were going to be so enormous that they couldn't really let go of that amount of money, that kind of profit for the medical, you know, for the drug companies. So that's one place, I think, where it started.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, yeah, I've been yelling about service dogs on every fucking flight. That's about 10 minutes old. Everyone was able to get along without a service. They're an occasional blind guy. If your dog, your dog should, it needs a luggage rack attached to it that you're hanging onto. If it's just the 20 foot cord or it's in a basket that you're carrying. It's ironic that the service dog, you're schlepping the service dog. I thought you were supposed to be riding the service dog.

[Brian Bishop]

You're like service human.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, you're the one who's toting around the service dog. But again, this stuff didn't exist and now everyone needs it. And you know, handicapped parking used to be for handicapped people, not people that had, you know, Epstein Barr virus or whatever the fuck they think is going on.

[Allison Rosen]

Can we go back for one second? Do you guys believe ADD exists is a condition?

[Adam Carolla]

I've been around long enough to hear about a lot of syndromes and we're all, here's what? No, there's not a boy I grew up with who on a summer day wanted to sit in class, who did not want to run outside and chase something or smash something or throw something. You take a nine year old boy, you set them behind a desk and you tell them to sit there for an hour and listening to some sort of asexual old broad in her 50s with her hair up weird, explain something about the Civil War and every single one of them is going to be looking out the window and tapping their foot, dying to get out there and play a little foursquare or whatever it is. That's how at least guys are wired. I really can't, I can't speak to women. But this is all prescribed to guys or mainly prescribed to guys. And it's like he can't sit still. He can't sit still because you're boring as shit. You're talking about a war that's 250 years old and the sun is shining, right?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

But at the same time, I mean, when I was a kid, I mean, I know that I was taken to task for watching too much TV for, you know, liking punk rock. Like, what in the hell is the world coming to, right? You're seeing a band that, you know, has razor blade slices all over them and have pins in their ears. I mean, oh, my God, kids today, we can almost sound like that when we're discussing what's going on.

[Adam Carolla]

Now.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I just think that it's harmful. There's a kind of a harm attached to what's going on in terms of the. What do you want to call it? The baby. Baby coddling of, you know, this generation and just infantilizing of this generation and seeing what. What's gonna happen. What's gonna happen when they become adults and have to deal with the shit that is life, you know, that's. That's the worry.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Quinton Aaron]

Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad.

[Adam Carolla]

It's Allison.

[Quinton Aaron]

Allison.

[Adam Carolla]

And when it's time to wrap it up, she'll sign it off with zip it.

[Quinton Aaron]

Cut.

[Adam Carolla]

It's Allison.

[Quinton Aaron]

Allison.

[Allison Rosen]

So, Adam, you wanted to talk about this article about secondhand smoke from Forbes?

[Adam Carolla]

I did.

[Allison Rosen]

A large scale study found no clear link between secondhand smoke and lung cancer.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

What?

[Allison Rosen]

Study of 76,000 women found cancer to be 13 times more common in current smokers and 4 times more common in past smokers. However, no statistically significant relationship was found between lung cancer and exposure to passive smoke.

[Adam Carolla]

I've been screaming about this for well over A decade. And the reason I've been screaming about this is we have a infinite amount of time on the planet and infinite, sorry, a finite amount of time and a finite amount of problems. And what you want to do is you sink your resources and time work big to small. The secondhand smoke thing, they've been beating this drum for 20 years now. It's just non stop. Like every fucking commercial I see is a guy smoking and it's going up his own, it's going through the outlet and it's going up the conduit and then it goes into the next bedroom of the upstairs and there's an infant.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Laying in the whatever.

[Adam Carolla]

And you just, there's a part of you that goes, huh, that poor kid. And then there's part of you that goes, wait a minute, everyone smoked all the time and then they invented third hand smoke. And that's when I got pissed off. That's when it gets into the curtains and the clothing of people and you expose service dogs to it and they all get lung cancer. And I said, there's no fucking way it's that big a problem. And it's not. But here's the deal. I know you would like people to stop smoking. There's a lot of stuff we would like people to stop doing. But what you can't do, and I feel like we've done a lot of this, is you make up statistics to get people to stop doing things. So, you know, I can say to my kids, hey, if you don't do your homework, you're gonna get a brain tumor. Sorry, Brian. Brian has a brain tumor and I.

[Brian Bishop]

Didn'T do my homework.

[Adam Carolla]

Now you're gonna get a brain tumor. It's not right. What you need to do is you try to dissuade people from doing whatever they're doing. But if you start lying, it's like what they used to do with potential. They used to say, oh, you'll go crazy, it'll make you insane. It's a drug. It's every bit as bad as heroin and cocaine. And then people smoked it and they went, oh, I guess you were lying, no big deal. And now you've created the second problem. All I'm saying is, whatever the topic is, just give us the truth about it. Don't invent something. I mean, secondhand smoke was really just invented and we could have been watching PSAs for proper tire inflation, which would have saved more lives. There's more people die every year when their tires blow out on the freeway and their SUVs roll than there are from secondhand smoke. I say that with some certainty because nobody dies of secondhand smoke. So put it into whatever makes sense. Don't put it into something that you've made up to feel good about yourself.

[Brian Bishop]

The person who says, show up at 7, but they don't need you there till 8.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Yes, that happened to me tonight.

[Brian Bishop]

There you go.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

But anyway, but I think that the. I think that, you know, it's worked because where I live, smoking is banned on the streets. Basically, you can't smoke anywhere in west la. No restaurants, buildings are even being. The building that I live in wants to pass a lot. No one can smoke in the building.

[Adam Carolla]

I like when they say 100% smoke free. I grew up as in the. I just love that we are. Hotels do that, you know, 100% smoke free. Oh, it's definitely. It's definitely worked. I've always said this is what the NRA does. And this is. I'm sure this is why the NRA does what the NRA does, because they saw what happened to the smokers. The smokers, smokers used to just smoke everywhere. And then at a certain point they said, hey, guys in the restaurant smoking, you mind just moving over to a section over here and smoking with the other smokers? And they all got up and they moved over there and they sat down. And at a certain point some guy came in and said, if you're gonna smoke, we just need you to move it to the bar. You can smoke in the bar, that's fine. And then everyone got up, picked up their ashtrays and they moved to the bar. And at a certain point someone said, we need you outside. And then the guys, all the smokers walked out front. And then somebody said, we need you down the street. You can't smoke in front. That's why the NRA goes, fucking banana clips. No, we're keeping them. They don't want to get out of the restaurant. They're scared. If they move to that section of the restaurant, then they're gonna go the bar, then they're gonna go the street, then they're gonna go down the street. So they're smart. They just argue in the restaurant and never stop. That argument and the smoke has been the same thing. Now the building is smoke free. There's people like, you can't smoke on the balcony of your apartment unit because it floats up into the next one.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Right, right. That's what my building is trying to get past. I don't think it's really going to happen. Because I think there's still people who are suspicious of this secondhand smoke propaganda.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it's a first rate killer. At least that's what they say. It's a. Secondhand smoke's a first rate killer. Except for nobody dies at it. All right? Now, are all those people going to now apologize to us for lying?

[Brian Bishop]

Very unlikely.

[Allison Rosen]

I feel like probably not.

[Adam Carolla]

They're just liars. Yeah, I don't like people that I don't. You know what I don't. I don't like the righteous liars where they go. I can lie about this because it's going to save lives. So I can lie.

[Allison Rosen]

Most liars are righteous. I mean, there's a few just sort of white liars.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, everybody. I don't think people who lie think of themselves as liars.

[Allison Rosen]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

That's my thing. But anyway, just let it be known. I was on the record since the mid-90s screaming about this has gotta be bullshit. And now finally somebody with the guts to let it be known I'm right.

[Allison Rosen]

An important psi question. One of my tires is three pounds over. How bad is that?

[Adam Carolla]

Nothing.

[Allison Rosen]

Okay, good.

[Adam Carolla]

But there are a lot of people driving around with like 11 pounds in one tire and 41 in the next. And that's where the trouble. Not to mention just all the fuel it wastes when you're driving around £20 down. And all the vulcanized rubber and resources it wastes because you're having to wear the tire down. And it goes on and on. There's a thousand topics that could be hit. But we've spent my entire adult life talking about secondhand smoke, which doesn't really exist as a problem anyway. We're fucking geniuses.

[Allison Rosen]

And an article here about antibacterial hand soap.

[Adam Carolla]

Another thing I've been complaining about.

[Allison Rosen]

This is from an FDA news release. Millions of Americans use antibacterial hand soap and body wash products. Although consumers generally view these products as effective tools to help prevent the spread of germs, there's currently no evidence that they are any more effective at preventing illness than washing with plain soap and water. Further, some data suggest that long term exposure to certain active ingredients used in antibacterial products could pose health risks such as bacterial resistance or hormonal effects.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I've known that for long.

[Adam Carolla]

Careful. Everyone knows it. Or you should know it intuitively. Again, the calluses. You got to build your immune system up. Nature knows what it's doing. Yeah, we're fucking with nature, right? We're trying to do. We are. We are trying to fuck with nature. And it's not gonna work. Yeah, it's not gonna work for the pharmaceutical companies, and it's not gonna work with the hand soap and all that shit. I never get sick. I never wash my hands. I don't use soap. I don't use shampoo. I don't use anything.

[Brian Bishop]

I don't either.

[Adam Carolla]

I fucking rinse.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I don't either.

[Adam Carolla]

I just rinse with hot water. And everyone just goes, you're gross. So it's all they do is they go, eww, gross. And I go, why? We're not designed to lather up every single day and scrub ourselves down. This is something that the Pantene cartel has been selling us.

[Allison Rosen]

Big Pantene.

[Adam Carolla]

Big Pantene.

[Allison Rosen]

Big poo.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. Big Poo. We don't need it.

[Allison Rosen]

But they put makeup on you for your TV shows and stuff. And you just let that wash off.

[Adam Carolla]

Everything is.

[Allison Rosen]

Or rinse off.

[Adam Carolla]

Everything is hot water. I take a hot rinse or I do have a bottle of that doctor Crazy old dude's peppermint flavored, you know, whatever. You can drink it, you can put it on your cereal. You can butt chug it. Like it's. You know what I'm talking about. Oh, there's a. We'll try to figure this one out. I've seen news shows on it.

[Allison Rosen]

It's like I feel like I should, but I'm. Dr. Bonners.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, Dr. Bonners.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Boners. Yeah, I know that.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Okay.

[Allison Rosen]

An all purpose thing.

[Adam Carolla]

I will give myself a spritz of that every once in a while and try to get the makeup out from underneath my eyelids. But that's about it with the makeup and occasionally a little back sack action. Just try to keep the marriage fresh.

[Brian Bishop]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

You know what I'm saying?

[Brian Bishop]

Keep the spark going.

[Adam Carolla]

Keep the spark going.

[Allison Rosen]

You don't regularly use soap down there?

[Adam Carolla]

Not regularly. Hot water will suffice. I don't see. Here's why. I know we don't need soap. Oh, there it is. First off, if I have a bottle of shampoo, it will last me 11 years, number one. Number two, there's no way I always say this. It would be a horrible and cruel joke to all who came before us who did not have the Pantene option. And I know the whole shampoo conditioner, strip away the stuff, put it back. I know your hair does not benefit from that.

[Allison Rosen]

How do you feel about the fact that Adam does not use soap to wash his balls?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I don't know if you really need.

[Adam Carolla]

Soap to wash. Just answer the question.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I don't think you really need to look, I think every now and then, yes, if you've been a little sweaty or if you've worked out or something, sure. But I think there is. I mean, when I was living through the era of the rise of the meteorosexual, when I was writing about Patrick Bateman and American Psycho, so that's really when it started to come into play where men needed all of these creams.

[Brian Bishop]

He's the anti corolla with all the.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Creams and the mask and peel and, you know, it was kind of the, what you call the dandyfication of American men. And they started to believe in it. They believed that it made them look better, it made them believe they were more attractive to women. And in reality it was just a huge money making kind of scheme. I mean, it was. That's what it was. But it's still in the culture. I mean, it still is. Men believe.

[Adam Carolla]

Here's my feeling, which is lip balm, chapstick, whatever. And hand cream only means you need more of it. It just creates a necessity for it. Once you start getting on the hand moisturizer you're on, Once you get on the chapstick, you're on the chapstick. We're not designed to require chapstick, especially because we're not spending hours.

[Allison Rosen]

My face feels very conspicuous right now.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you're not spending hours. It's one thing if you're doing for necessary aesthetic appeal, women do this. But for guys, if you're, you know, spending. Even if you're spending hours tilling soil in the fields, we're still not designed to need that. That's all I'm saying.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

But I still think there's a kind of comfort level that you do need. I have dry skin.

[Adam Carolla]

I have combination skin with an oily T shirt.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I do need moisturizer. And it does lessen that kind of like tight. There it goes.

[Allison Rosen]

Yes, it could be.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I want that music to follow me around for the next week, wherever I go. So I do believe in that and I do. There's like some good basic moisturizers that I think you should use. But otherwise I think it is overboard. And I think the hand sanitation thing is incredibly annoying. You see it everywhere. When you go to the market, there's a little area where you can wipe yourself. I mean rest. If you're that much of a germaphobe, I just don't know how you're going to make it through the rest of the. Of society, the rest of your life.

[Adam Carolla]

Agreed. All right, what's next?

[Allison Rosen]

Well, here's a story that involves our guest at the San Diego show, the one who will be topless. Miley Cyrus tweeted a photo of herself, and she said, merry Christmas. Thank you, New York, for being one of the few states to free the nipple. And she is showing her chest, but there's two hearts over her boobs. And she is referring to the indie film Free the Nipple. And the director of that, Lena Esko, is going to be our guest for the second show in San Diego. And it's a movie about. My understanding of it is that it questions the way it questions censorship in terms of the way we treat toplessness and nudity versus the way we treat violence in movies and that much more lenient with violence.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm working on a doc called Back the Sack. It's where I feel like I want to walk out with just one ball. I was gonna say just hanging out. You have opportunities, ladies, if you can show your nipples.

[Brian Bishop]

We're on vpn.

[Adam Carolla]

I feel like it's just a little sack.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

You should live in my neighborhood, West Hollywood.

[Adam Carolla]

Really? No problemo. A lot of guys willing to back the sack.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

A lot of guys walk their dogs naked where I live, so, you know.

[Quinton Aaron]

Really?

[Allison Rosen]

Really.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Oh, it's warm late at night. Late at night.

[Allison Rosen]

Like, totally naked.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Not totally naked. No, of course not totally naked. But very slow, skimply clothes. Very little covered, very much, you know, not left at the.

[Allison Rosen]

Just a hint of clothing looks.

[Adam Carolla]

I like Miley Cyrus now, although not attracted to her, don't find her attractive. Are guys attracted to her?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I think so.

[Brian Bishop]

Just generally attractive. There's. I think she's.

[Allison Rosen]

Do you want to snap off a piece of that, Brian?

[Brian Bishop]

I think there's a difference between attractive and sexy. I think she has, like, a vibe to her that is kind of maybe sexy or sexual, but I don't think you would call her traditionally attractive. I don't think she could be a model.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I mean, look how maybe she could.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I mean, when you have, like, 100 million hits on a video like Wrecking Ball in a week, I think a lot of men are watching that because they find that she's over.

[Brian Bishop]

Wait, she's over 18, right?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

She's 20.

[Brian Bishop]

Okay.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Yeah, she's 20.

[Adam Carolla]

Sexy.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

And Terry Richardson, who directed the video is, you know, is our age. He's a bit of a perv. Likes them young. And he shot that for maximum impact, more or less. And I think it Worked in terms of the response it got. So, I don't know. I think a lot of guys do find Miley sexy.

[Adam Carolla]

I think she's. I feel like she must be under a lot of pressure sexually, you know, I mean, she can't mail it in in the sack. You know what I mean?

[Brian Bishop]

She rides that wrecking ball, for God's sake.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, if you got together with Miley and she just sort of mailed it in, you'd be really disappointed. And you hit the Twitter and the social media pretty quick. I feel like she's gotta be, you know, she's gotta be dynamite in the sack.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Well, and she was with Liam Hemsworth for four years. I don't know. He's a pretty big catch. There must be a reason that's long term for people in their 20s.

[David Wild]

Four years.

[Adam Carolla]

Four years. They were four years.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Yeah. Together.

[Adam Carolla]

Four years.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

They broke up this past summer. And some say that song wrecking ball is about the fallout of that relationship.

[Allison Rosen]

Someone knows a lot about Miley Cyrus.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm gonna.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I do know a lot about Miley because I do think this last year she was pretty much the performer of 2013. She really did. There were a number of things that she did that were very pivotal in the culture and pop culture landscape. And I think those videos, I think the VMA performance, I don't know. I think she's cool. I like her.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm gonna try to clear Wrecking ball for Back the sack documentary. Try that because I feel it'd be very appropriate. That's right. Sherry's berries, baby. Speaking of appropriate, only $19.99 for beautiful giant drip dripping, dripping with chocolate milk chocolate's gonna dip and drip anyway. Dipped in milk chocolate, dark chocolate, white chocolate, and unbelievable. By the way, you can get double the berries for just 10 bucks more. These things are ginormous. They're unbelievable. It's just. It's a great time we're living in. Also, they got dipped pretzels and cheesecakes and all sorts of other great stuff over there. Sherry's berries never disappoints. Berries.com. you go to berries.com you click on the microphone, you type in ACE. Only way to get the $19.99 special is use the offer, the ace offer. Or give them a call. 866-fruit-02. That's 866-fruit-02 or online. B E R R I E S dot com. Click on the microphone, top right hand corner. Type in Ace. Deal expires this Friday. All right, baby girl, let's do one and a half more stories. What do you got?

[Allison Rosen]

Well, I know you enjoy local news fuck ups, so here's a little video out of Kansas.

[Adam Carolla]

This is all the time we have for this Saturday night. Saturday Night Live is next with a new one with John Goodman, his host.

[Quinton Aaron]

We'll be back tomorrow after football.

[Adam Carolla]

Hope to see that. Let's get the out of here.

[Allison Rosen]

He didn't realize that the mic was hot.

[Adam Carolla]

I love that now. No one's ever offended anymore. We just, we just like it. But you got to know when that mic's clipped you like that. Guy was no rookie. He looked like he'd been around the block a few times, been to a few smaller markets, started out, worked his way up. If you fuck me, you're dead. Pat o', Brien, he said to his audio guy, when you hear, you're still hearing the music, just keep it zipped. You know, there should be. They do it in a, you know, you know, do it in a. Whenever you do a TV show or anything, they do the 30 seconds of silence.

[Brian Bishop]

Room tone or whatever.

[Adam Carolla]

Room tone. It's incredibly hard to pull off. It's the weirdest thing in the world. It is a weird human thing. There'll be one guy with the headphones on and he's got the boom mic and he goes, okay, Everybody, there's only four people in the room. I just need to get 30 seconds of silence so I can get room tone. And he'll go like, and here we go. And at some point someone will go, steve, you Want to go RVs for lunch? And then he'll go, hold on a second. Guys, guys, guys. Just 30 seconds of room tone. Room tone. And he'll get eight seconds in and someone will be like, like this feels. And then someone will start walking and the floor will squeak. And I'll be like, could everyone just carve out 30 seconds of their life and fucking hold still just so we can get the 30 seconds of room tone. It's, it's weird how tall an order. All four people remain silent and motionless for 30 seconds. No one ever says, I need 18 to 22 months of room tone. They just go, 30 seconds. 30 fucking seconds. Cannot be done. I always laugh at the 10 seconds of silence, which doesn't work in church. It doesn't work whenever they do that thing where they go, the great boxing trainer Lou DiBella. Oh, no, wait a minute. He said he's a Hollywood guy. Let's see. I'm trying to think of the. Trying to think of the great boxing Trainer customato. Yeah, yeah. Manny Stewart. Now the traditional ring. Ten count. A moment of silence for the great boxing trainer Emmanuel Stewart. And I'll be, ding. They'll get three into it. And some guy in the arms be like, yeah, I need a beer. Like, can't you just make it 10 seconds? I think they used to make it 10 seconds. There's. There's Emmanuel Stewart there. Thank you. He trains the Klitschkos. All right, let's do. Let's do one more, baby girl.

[Allison Rosen]

Okay. The mic thing that makes me uncomfortable when I think about it is how many times I. Because you show up to be a guest on a TV show and someone comes in and they're like, mic you up. And they mic you up in advance of when you go on. And then you use the bathroom. Now who's listening?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

You turn it off.

[Brian Bishop]

It's the Naked Gun.

[Allison Rosen]

See, I never. I should have.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I learned that through the difficult way. I learned that once.

[Allison Rosen]

So what had someone told you?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Yeah, someone said, hey, we heard you pissing in the men's room. And you got to turn that off if you're going to use a rifle. It's very easy. This is a click.

[Allison Rosen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

The sound guy supposed to allegedly pot you down, but God knows, I mean.

[Brian Bishop]

I'll say pissing could have been a lot worse.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, for you.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

That's true.

[Adam Carolla]

I. As I've said before, they put these bucking mics on you. You know, I. I did a shoot. I think it was a man show shoot where I was. It was shop teacher Adam and I did the bit and we were working with a new director and she was horrible. And I kept pulling the writer aside and I was like, she's fucking nuts. We gotta go around her. She doesn't know what she's doing. It's gonna take forever. She's incompetent and she's a cunt. I was like, I hate this woman. We gotta work around her. We gotta get it done. And so, like, I keep. She'd like. Kept saying, like, all right, let's go back in the class and then we'll go to the band saw. And then I'd go, give us a second. And then I'd pull the writer side. We gotta fucking do something because she's fuckin Fucking this bit up. It's not gonna be salvageable. And then she went into the edit bay, and when she went into the edit bay to edit the bit together, she had to comb through all the parts of me talking to the writer about how horrible she Was. And then she felt also compelled to tell me that she heard all about, which I would not do if I were her. But she said I was the boss, so she couldn't really do anything. But she went. Just got out of the edit bay, was watching some of the rough footage, heard a lot of the audio. Thanks for the compliments she gave me, which I understand I had coming, but I would argue it's also uncomfortable for her as well.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I had the same problem on the Today show. Similar story, but with Katie Couric.

[Adam Carolla]

What happened?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Well, I was booked to be on the Today show to promote a novel of mine. Katie didn't really want to do the segment. Wasn't necessarily a fan, thought I was too dark to be on the first hour of the Today show. And so she kept subtly eliminating my six or seven minutes of time. And so it got to five minutes, it got to four minutes. And so I miced.

[Adam Carolla]

Meaning, were they stretching out the segments before you?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Stretching out the segments before me. And so I was basically going to get three minutes and I was mic'd. Didn't realize it was kind of stressed by the whole situation. And I started going off on Katie Couric to the Today people who are handling me and to my people in the publishing house. And everyone could hear it over in the control room. Control room got back to Katie, and I was banned from the Today show.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Yeah.

[Brian Bishop]

Never made it.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

No. I did the segment. I did the segment. But from then on, I was told your band from the Today show was Katie.

[Adam Carolla]

Remember, I was talking shit about her the other week.

[Allison Rosen]

Now I'm glad you're banned, too.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't like her. It bothers me about her. I think I said, she's one of these people. If her name was Geraldine Gutenstein, I don't think we'd know who she was.

[Allison Rosen]

That seems like not a great enough offense to be banned because I just imagine with all the guests who are nervous to go on, there's gotta. That. I don't know what you're saying, but that must come up all the time.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

I was upset and I said, you know, she really doesn't like me. She's such a bitch. Why is she being such a bitch about this one segment and that? It didn't get worse than that. But I, you know, I said, bitch.

[Adam Carolla]

Did you get the band? There's two kinds of bands. There's the kind of band where, Geez, it's been nine years since I've been on this show, and I used to be on all the time. That's a quiet banning. That's a shun more than a ban. And then there's the declaration of you shall not be on the show.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

The next day my publisher called me and said they called us up screaming that, you know, that got all over the studio. They just told us you were effectively banned from that show. But I've been on it a lot. I promoted pretty much every book up until that one on the show.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it worked. The band worked.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

It did.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's bring it home, baby girl.

[Allison Rosen]

That's the news. I'm Alison Rosenz. If it cunts.

[Adam Carolla]

That was the news with Allison Rosen. Stole that from Katie. DraftKings, baby. DraftKings.com the Millionaire grand final coming up this weekend. You could win a million bucks. I got a little tip for you. Vernon Davis helped the draft Kings player win 25,000 bucks. What a specimen that Vernon Davis is. Another plus, what a name. You're either going to be called Vern or Vernon. Win, win. Yep, another big performance for Vernon Davis could mean you get a million bucks one day. Fantasy sports, not the whole drawn out long season. You're back every week. Paul Bryant, how you feeling, man?

[Brian Bishop]

So the dust has settled on my 200 point plus point performance. It was the finest fantasy moment of my life. I ended up entering four contests last weekend. Finished in first place in three of them, in second place in the other. It was a. It was a banner week. I don't know if I can ever do better.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Allison Rosen]

Oh yes, And I just wanted to let people know that Alison Rosen is your new best friend. My podcast will be releasing new episodes during the break, so don't despair. My episodes will be there.

[Adam Carolla]

She is a workaholic, and she's Jewish and hates Christmas. Anyway, Bret Easton Ellis, the podcast. Bret Easton Ellis Podcast. Lots of big names on iTunes or podcast1.com and the website bretteastanellis.com is where you go and you Twitter him retteasten Ellis and David Wilde. And until next time, the sound crow for Brett and David and Allison and Ball to say it again. Mahalo. The chicks.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

The is called your cat. All right, that was adam Cole Show 12 29. Some of the arrow. Brett was coming on fairly regularly. I think he had two or three appearances. May have also done an Adam and Dr. Drew show. He was working with podcast one at the time. He had his own show on the network. Coming up next, we have Adam Crowell Show 1227. He turns Quinn there and Stacy Dash, also from 2013. Thank you so much for tuning in to a very special episode. I'm here, let's say alone, but there are other people in the room. We're in the bowels of the Reagan Museum, which feels weird when you say bowels of Reagan. Quinton Aaron is here. You know him from the Blind side. Good to see you, Quentin.

[Quinton Aaron]

What's going on? How you doing?

[Adam Carolla]

Good. I've never been here before.

[Quinton Aaron]

Me neither. This is my first time.

[Adam Carolla]

Air Force One is probably directly above us about 100ft. We just got a quick tour of that thing. I believe it was activated, as they say, in 1972. It went to 2001. It's a 707. Did you get to walk through it?

[Quinton Aaron]

No, no, they told us not today. Yeah, they're like, come back another day. I'm like, this is about 45 miles away from where I stay, so probably not gonna be back. But it's cool.

[Adam Carolla]

It's pretty much just as you would imagine it, but kind of old. Like, when you see a lot of typewriters and stuff that's big and bulky, you know, you don't see a lot of iPads up there. And it smells like very 1972. Like, you know, when you get into it, you get in an old car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a Boss Mustang?

[Quinton Aaron]

No, no, I don't. I don't have an old car. I have a friend that has one.

[Adam Carolla]

Does it smell like 1972?

[Quinton Aaron]

I don't know. It's a little before my time.

[Adam Carolla]

Can you tell Us, Tell us. Well, tell us what you're doing here tonight and I'll tell us. I'm here to host this charity event for the enlisted folks and I'll give you some of those details in a second. But what are you doing here tonight?

[Quinton Aaron]

I came out to support the troops. I donated a couple of things to the silent auction and came to actually see the plane and hang out. I heard you wonderful guys are going to be here. So you know, have fun, enjoy myself, flirt with some women, have a good dinner. Free dinner?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, seven courses. You know, speaking of, speaking of dinner, what size are you? What are your dimensions?

[Quinton Aaron]

Six, eight, about five 30 size 22 shoes. I'm a modern day giant.

[Adam Carolla]

Are you? You're bigger than Michael Orr, right? Yeah, I mean the guy who's part.

[Quinton Aaron]

Of the 320, I believe.

[Adam Carolla]

Uh huh.

[Quinton Aaron]

He's around there.

[Adam Carolla]

A pixie as you call him.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

So how did the whole blindside thing come around? You must have played ball.

[Quinton Aaron]

I played a little in high school. I played one year in high school. I played a year of semi pro after graduation. But the role came up from my mom. She found the audition for me and submitted me for it. She wrote the casting director some letter that they couldn't turn down.

[Adam Carolla]

And what? Well, they could turn it down.

[Quinton Aaron]

Well they could, but that's what they told me when I walked in the room. We saw your mom's letter, we couldn't turn it down. I was like, okay, cool.

[Adam Carolla]

So what were you doing exactly when this came about?

[Quinton Aaron]

I actually was doing a student film in NYU called Mr. Brooklyn at the time.

[Adam Carolla]

And so you'd been involved with acting?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yes, yes. This was my fourth feature film, but first lead role.

[Adam Carolla]

And were most the roles just sort of based on we need a huge black man?

[Quinton Aaron]

Pretty much for the most part. I'm still working on the trick of getting Hollywood to think outside the box. Yeah, you know, I want to play a little white guy one day. Yeah, I want to be the first black James Bond.

[Adam Carolla]

Well it's gonna be, it's hard not to notice. 6, 8, 520 some odd pounds. But you only played in high school, where'd you grow up?

[Quinton Aaron]

Augusta, Georgia.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean you played a year in high school and played a year semi pro.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, I'm born and raised in the Bronx, New York originally. But at 12 I moved to Georgia, went to middle school and high school. That's where I played football. And then after graduation moved back to New York, started pursuing acting while working and went to get my security License and got recruited by the guy giving me the security test to play his. To play on his semi pro team.

[Adam Carolla]

Offensive line?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, on semi pro, I play offense and defense.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, in high school, what size were you?

[Quinton Aaron]

Ninth grade? I was 6, 4, 3, 20 with size 17 shoes. And I was like, that was at 14.

[Adam Carolla]

So wasn't the high school football coach going insane like seeing you coming, I mean hearing you come down the hall, like just tiles breaking underneath your feet, lockers shaking.

[Quinton Aaron]

I was the biggest kid in school. They were trying for a while to recruit me. At first I was like, no, no, no, I don't want to do it. Then everybody was like, dude, what are you big for nothing. I'm like, man, come on, let's play football.

[Adam Carolla]

So what year in high school did you play?

[Quinton Aaron]

Ninth grade.

[Adam Carolla]

So you never played past that?

[David Wild]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

So by the time you graduated high school, when you're 18 years old or so, what are your dimensions?

[Quinton Aaron]

I was 2 inches taller, so I was about 6, 6, weighed about the same and my feet had grown from 17 to size 22.

[Adam Carolla]

So did you just not have any interest in sports?

[Quinton Aaron]

I wanted to play basketball, but I didn't have the skills for it. But I didn't, you know, I had no interest in football at the time. Everyone was like, you have the size of do it, let's do it. But it wasn't really my sport. I grew up watching basketball, loving basketball, wanting to play that, but didn't have the skill set for it. So it was just like, eh, I'll just finish pursuing acting and stuff.

[Adam Carolla]

And so when did you then decide to get into acting?

[Quinton Aaron]

Well, I've always wanted to do that as well. From as long as I can remember, I've been singing and acting. I used to do talent shows when I was younger. I was in a theater play program at my church growing up and then drama in school and then another theatrical program. When I graduated, moved back to New York. So I've been acting throughout my life a lot.

[Adam Carolla]

So how do we get to the part where your mom writes the casting agent a letter on your behalf? My mom would never ever do that for me, ever.

[Quinton Aaron]

Well she now she was.

[Adam Carolla]

And how was it so persuasive?

[Quinton Aaron]

Well, because, well, my mom for one, she was a writer and she was like my momager, my man, my manager slash momage.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Quinton Aaron]

And she would look for, she signed up to a website which sent us castings and emails and so she would created a profile for me and would email me to a lot of different castings and Everything. And that was one of the ones she read. It woke me up like three in the morning, said, read this. And I was like, what was.

[Adam Carolla]

What were they looking for?

[Quinton Aaron]

They were looking for. A young African American between the height of 6, 5. No, 6, 3 to 6, 5, 300 to 350 pounds. And she asked me, what did I think? I said, that sounds like me.

[Adam Carolla]

And when you. You had to read, obviously you had to audition, you got the part. Did they want you to do anything? Slim down, bulk up, any of that stuff?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, at the time, I was 374 and not 375.

[Adam Carolla]

No.

[Quinton Aaron]

Oh, no, my fault, my fault, my fault. I was actually 472 at the time. I was 472. And so when I actually got the role, I had to lose 75 pounds before shooting. So I had eight weeks to lose 75 pounds. And once I reached that goal, they was like, just keep doing it. See what happens.

[Adam Carolla]

So you had to limit yourself to seven chickens a day.

[Quinton Aaron]

I know, right? They actually, they created the.

[Adam Carolla]

What was your diet? I mean, if you're almost 500 pounds.

[Quinton Aaron]

To eat like five times a day, you know, I had a nutritional chef that prepared all my meals for me seven days a week. I had a trainer that was the strength and conditioning coach at Georgia Tech who trained me twice a day. So I was doing seven days a week, two times a day, eating five times a day, and I wound up losing 100, 103 pounds in 11 weeks.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Quinton Aaron]

It was crazy. It was brutal. But it was. It got easier as time.

[David Wild]

So you.

[Adam Carolla]

You got down to 370?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah. 3, 4, 74. Something like that. Yeah. And then.

[Adam Carolla]

What do you think? If, If. If you speak to a doctor, what would he say? Like, here's the weight you should be. Because you gotta be as far as guys walking around. Now that Andre the Giant is no longer with us, that number has got to be higher than almost any other human being who's walking around right now. I mean, you know, doctors don't say, hey, man, you gotta get down to 380, you know? But what do you think? Like, what would your doctor say? Like, I would like to see you at this weight. Because he can't say 250.

[Quinton Aaron]

Honestly, I don't know what the doctor would say. I don't have a doctor.

[Adam Carolla]

You ate him.

[Quinton Aaron]

No, I don't, I don't. I don't like doctors.

[Adam Carolla]

You gotta go down to the truck scales to get the physical.

[Quinton Aaron]

Exactly. But no, I am working on Dropping my own, you know, wait for some future projects coming up.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

So.

[Adam Carolla]

But is. Is like. Is. Is 375, like, fighting weight for you? Like what. What is fighting weight for you?

[Quinton Aaron]

I would love to get back to my high school weight of 320, but this time I would be in much better shape.

[Adam Carolla]

You could fit into that prom dress again, you know. Well, I'll be.

[Quinton Aaron]

I'll be taller than I was at the time. I was 320 and.

[David Wild]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

So back. Back then, you were 320. Six. Five or so.

[Quinton Aaron]

Six. Yeah. Six, four, three, 26. Four, three, six, eight. Right. And I'll be at 320.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? You could do it.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, definitely.

[Adam Carolla]

And did you go to the prom? Did you have a prom date?

[Quinton Aaron]

I did go to the prom. I went to the prom. I don't know why I went to. I didn't have a prom date.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you just went staggering.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, pretty much. That's why I was like, I don't know why I went. Got the limo, the tux and everything and went.

[Adam Carolla]

Did you get yourself a boutonniere?

[Quinton Aaron]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

How does that work? Where you get the limo and the whole nine yards and you just show up at the prom just looking for sloppy seconds? Or how does that work?

[Quinton Aaron]

You know what? It's funny. I just thought that I didn't want to go through high school and not have experienced it, the prom, you know, So I was like. Even though I didn't have a date, I was like, I'm gonna go. It could be fun. Got there after 20 minutes. I was like, why the hell did I come here?

[Adam Carolla]

The good news is you just slid in under the radar.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, pretty much.

[Adam Carolla]

Because all you gotta do is put a ball cap on and no one recognizes you.

[Quinton Aaron]

This is pretty much. Pretty much.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. But you. You hired. You. You got yourself a limo. Yeah. You bought a prom bid. Yeah. So you must have been making some money or doing something.

[Quinton Aaron]

Well, no, my mom was working at the time. She. She paid for that.

[Adam Carolla]

Have you had any jobs that are like, I just want.

[Quinton Aaron]

When I was in high school, I washed cars. I worked at a car wash. Any outfit jobs?

[Adam Carolla]

Like, I used to work at McDonald's?

[Quinton Aaron]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

Because I'd like to see you in, like, a Taco Bell outfit or something like that.

[Quinton Aaron]

You know, it's funny. I did when I. This was after graduation, though, when I moved back to New York, I was barista at Starbucks.

[Adam Carolla]

Mm.

[Quinton Aaron]

Now, that lasted about nine months.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Quinton Aaron]

And then it was done. It was like a labor. Nine months. Oh, Yeah, I can't do this. No more.

[Adam Carolla]

Writing everyone's name on the cup.

[Quinton Aaron]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Was that. What was that like? I feel like that'd be a better place to work than. Than most.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, it was cool. It was definitely cool. That's why I lasted nine months. I liked it for the most part. You get used to the rushes and everything. But I almost lost it one time when this dude threw his venti cup of coffee on me, saying that it wasn't hot enough and it was 200 degrees. I almost got fired that day because I chased him out the store.

[Adam Carolla]

Who would throw hot coffee on you?

[Quinton Aaron]

He was crazy.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, yeah, it had to be crazy, right? What size was he?

[Quinton Aaron]

Average.

[Adam Carolla]

So he wanted it extra hot. Yeah. And he literally flung it at you.

[Quinton Aaron]

Like, he literally. He felt it. He was like, this isn't hot enough. Threw it down, splashed on the register, all over my arms. Snatched my hat off and my thing and started chasing them out the store. There's, like, a line of people waiting. My manager's chasing me down the block and I'm chasing him.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Quinton Aaron]

He's just lucky he was quicker than me because I almost had him.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That wouldn't have been a good thing. I don't reckon that most people screw around with you. Right? But I don't know. How old are you now?

[Quinton Aaron]

29.

[Adam Carolla]

Do people come up, want to know, want you to get you involved with MMA or boxing or stuff like that?

[Quinton Aaron]

No, you know what? I haven't had any offers for that.

[Adam Carolla]

What about wrestling?

[Quinton Aaron]

Used to be wrestling.

[Adam Carolla]

I feel like you would be worshiped in Japan. They would look at you like a God. You could have anything you wanted if you wanted to move to Japan. You take over that place. They do. They do. They love huge black guys over there. They just do.

[Quinton Aaron]

They probably do.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I know they do. I'm telling you. Why don't we just go to Japan? Fire up Air Force One, Go to Japan. They're living a good life. Forget about this auditioning and all this other bs. By the way, I should mention, Quentin's got himself a foundation. Quinton Aaron Foundation. It's an anti bullying foundation. Now, that's ironic. You were never. No one ever bullied you, right?

[Quinton Aaron]

Actually, I did. I was bullied in elementary when. All through elementary, when I was not the giant I am, but today.

[Adam Carolla]

But you were always bigger than everyone else, weren't you?

[Quinton Aaron]

In elementary, I was taller. I was tall, but skinny. And I had these big, thick, what they call bifocal lens glasses.

[Adam Carolla]

Coke bottle Style.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, exactly. Big forehead, tall, skinny, goofy kid with crooked teeth. So I was. I used to get chased on him every day. Got beat up by a girl once.

[Adam Carolla]

Really? Yeah, that happened to me. Actually, it did. What happened?

[Quinton Aaron]

I got jumped by a couple kids and they pulled my shirt over my head. So when I started, I went crazy and started swinging. Turns out I hit a girl. She didn't like that too much, so she hit me back. But then she. She kept hitting. She overpowered me and kicked my ass.

[Adam Carolla]

That's gotta be a nice feather in her cap. I mean, like, when the blind side came out, she went, oh, yeah, I kicked that guy's ass in the seventh grade.

[Quinton Aaron]

Why is this third grade?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, third grade. So you're only 2:35 back then. Well, women are scarier than men. It's just at some point we get bigger and they leave us alone. But there's that point. My daughter kicked the shit out of my son and will do it. You know what I mean? She's much scarier than he is.

[Quinton Aaron]

They don't have fear.

[Adam Carolla]

My daughter doesn't have fear. And because the hormones haven't kicked in yet, you don't have any kind of advantage over them whatsoever. They're all just. My daughter would beat the crap out of my son. They're twins, but there's seven and he would definitely. She would definitely beat the crap out of him. And I'm probably on into adulthood as well. So you didn't get a chance to go walk around? I got some stats on that Air Force One that's hanging above us. The museum is really nice for those who've never been. I've never been here. Have you been here?

[Quinton Aaron]

No, no, no.

[Adam Carolla]

It's spacious. Usually when there's a full size airplane inside of a building, it's usually a decent sized building.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

That's not usually cramped, like one bedroom apartment with an airplane in it. But it's 1972, as I said, it flew for 30 years. Or 29. Seems like for the President's plane, they'd want to, you know, I mean, like if you leased a Camry. Oh, remind me to ask what kind of car you sit on top of. But you wouldn't want to drive a camry that was 29 years old, would you? I mean, as the President, don't you think you should get a new Air Force One, like every two years or like every four years?

[Quinton Aaron]

Every President shaving the plane.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. So what kind of car do you drive, by the way?

[Quinton Aaron]

Smart car.

[Adam Carolla]

I have a Suburban oh, yeah, that makes sense. All right. Seat. Did you have to modify anything?

[Quinton Aaron]

No, no, it was a standard Chevy Suburban.

[Adam Carolla]

Didn't have to do that thing like where, you know, you put the seat in the back and put your head out of the sunroof or anything like that.

[Quinton Aaron]

No, I'm just. I actually got in this Smart Car. That's why I made that joke. I did get in the Smart Car at a Toyota dealership once.

[Adam Carolla]

You did?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, this was in Florida. And they were taking pictures. Couldn't close the door, though.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I could imagine, by the way. So I guess it was Reagan who used the plane more than anyone. Thus the Reagan Museum up there. And it was a 707. And it's funny how, I don't know, I guess it's kind of like the Batmobile in that it looks really cool on tv, but when you get up on it, it looks kind of, I mean, not bad. Just like you can see it's just an airplane. But I'm wondering about all the cool counter stuff they have on there and security stuff they have on there.

[Quinton Aaron]

Passengers.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, and all that stuff that they don't talk about. I mean, you got to have the flares that shoot out of the thing if someone fires some heat seeking rocket at you. I don't know. I don't know if it has an escape pod. I don't think it has an escape pod.

[Quinton Aaron]

I would think they can go like, invisible.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, Like Wonder Woman.

[Quinton Aaron]

Not like, like, what's the movie?

[Adam Carolla]

Wonder Woman. Her plane was invisible.

[Quinton Aaron]

Her. Well, that wasn't the one I was thinking of.

[Adam Carolla]

But you can't do better than somebody who had an invisible airplane, can you?

[Quinton Aaron]

The I Spy with.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. Robert Colt. But that was the old one. Was that Bill Cosby and Robert Cole? That's an old one. You're too young for that. Yeah. The new one was Eddie Murphy.

[Quinton Aaron]

Eddie Murphy and Owen Wilson.

[Adam Carolla]

Owen Wilson. But was the first one Bill Cosby and Robert Cole. Am I making that up? Yeah. Anyway, we'll figure out. So now what do you have? So we'll backtrack a little. So you're acting. You're working at a Starbucks. It was. I got the guys. Right. But you don't have a ton going on. Then the Blind side comes around and it turns into this huge movie and everybody gets nominated for something or the movie gets nominated. I think Sandra Bullock.

[Quinton Aaron]

Sandra won everything. She got nominated for the movie, won a couple awards, got nominated for Best Picture at the Oscars. So it was cool. That was the only Reason I got to go because it was nominated.

[Adam Carolla]

And I imagine everyone knew who you were walking up, around, up and down the Oscars, right?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.

[Adam Carolla]

How was Sandra Bullock?

[Quinton Aaron]

She was cool. She. She was like. I kind of felt like she hid until time to go and sit down because I didn't see her until I saw her once on the carpet. We interviewed together, and then it was like she disappeared. I'm like, where'd she go?

[Adam Carolla]

But did you guys do. Did you have rehearsal time together? I mean, did you get to spend some quality time with Sandy?

[Quinton Aaron]

We didn't really rehearse. We didn't really rehearse. We met one day, it was like a week before shooting to kind of like do a script read through. But the director asked us right before, does anybody want to do this or you want to just shoot?

[Adam Carolla]

I love this guy.

[Quinton Aaron]

And so we were like, let's just shoot. Let's just shoot. And that's what Sandra said. And everybody. So we just went back home, did what we were doing, and then met up and shot.

[Adam Carolla]

And if you. I now, was Jonathan Orr around? Did he.

[Quinton Aaron]

Michael.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean, Michael Orr. I don't know if Jonathan Orr's.

[Quinton Aaron]

No, actually, the family came around a lot. Michael was. He's outside, apparently.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, Michael. Second I said Michael.

[Quinton Aaron]

Michael was. He was dealing with his football stuff for combine and everything, getting ready to get into the NFL. So he was.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, so he was going to. And he was going in as you were shooting this thing.

[Quinton Aaron]

As we were filming this. Yeah. And then he got drafted after we finished filming the movie. That's why they had the clip on the end of the movie of him going to the Baltimore Ravens. But throughout the whole filming, he wasn't in the NFL yet.

[Adam Carolla]

I never realized that because the movie's, what, four years old and he got a Super bowl ring, what, two years in or something like that?

[Quinton Aaron]

Last year.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, was it last year already? Oh, yeah. We screwed it all up. Yeah. Not bad. By the way, I should give a little love to one of our sponsors. Oh, you'd like these things. Sherry's berries. You ever had these? Sherry's berries?

[Quinton Aaron]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Quinton Aaron]

If I had the answer to that, I think I'd be rich. Right, but where do it?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, let's work on the definition. I like some bullying. I don't like a lot of bullying, but I like a little bullying, a dusting of bullying, a hint of bullying, because I feel like it gets people to change sometimes. And I'm trying to think. I was watching one of these kids shows with my wife, and it was one of these. They profile these college students that are doing well, and they have this young blonde girl, and she was overweight and she was called fat. She went into class and they called her Fatso, and she was overweight, and she didn't want to be called fat. And so she took up triathlons, right? And now she's in credible shape, and she does this. She's triathlete, she trains other people and blah, blah, blah. But it's really. Somebody said to her, hey, you're fat. She got bullied, but she got bullied into change. And then there's a kind of bully where you just sort of crush someone's spirit or you physically hurt them or what have you. So my problem is, I don't like the bullying where you crush someone's spirit or you physically hurt them. But I do like the bullying where you go, hey, you got a problem, you need to take care of it, because that's actually healthy. She got healthy because she got a dusting of bullying.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, I mean, well, there's. There's honesty to it. Like, I feel like, you know, I don't. I, as a spokesperson for bullying, I can't really condone telling someone, hey, you're fat, go change that.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I don't think they told her to change. I think they just told her she was fat.

[Quinton Aaron]

But it's funny. It's funny how it works. It's. It's. It can be brutal. I just Think that if. If the kids being picked on would talk to people more, it wouldn't be as dramatic as it is.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I always just sort of. I kind of blame the parents. I really just feel like if your kid is out there beating up on people, and then the parents that deny it or support it or say, my little angel wouldn't. I hate those fucking people. I mean, you're not supposed to create little monsters and send them out into society to make everyone miserable. I really blame, like I said, mostly the parents. Do you have good parents?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, I had a great mom. I was no longer here, but, yeah, my mom, she was great and crazy at the same time. When I dealt with bullying in school, she came up to the school, made me tell her who it was that was messing with me. Call them to the front office, threaten them.

[Adam Carolla]

Mama, it was that girl over there.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, and just like, threaten the kid in front of the principal, the teacher, whoever else was in the office.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, your mom is so far away from my mom. Mentally, emotionally, spiritually. Probably from a color palette standpoint as well. I wish your mom was my mom. My mom would never, ever. She would never write a letter. Hey, there's a show called the man show, and they're looking for a guy who drinks beer. You'd be perfect. She would never do that. She would never show up at my school and yell at somebody who bullied me. This is excellent. So your mom was. I mean, she was protective of you and obviously just loved the hell out of you.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, she basically. She said, I brought you in here. I'm the only one that can kick your ass. I'm the only one. You know, if you gonna go out, you gonna go out on my terms.

[Adam Carolla]

But you said she was a writer as well?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yes, yes, she. She was 2006 Poet of the Year from the National Poet Library of Poetry.

[Adam Carolla]

I think I got one of her trading cards. I just have trading cards. Poets, really?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, she. She wrote. She wrote poetry a lot. But she did publish her first book before she passed and everything.

[Adam Carolla]

So you have brothers, sisters? Dad is out. Do you have a relationship with your dad? Do you know him? Just gone. Didn't pop up again after the Oscars and all that stuff?

[Quinton Aaron]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

So he's out of the picture early?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And brother sisters?

[Quinton Aaron]

One brother, one brother. My brother has two other brothers and a sister.

[Adam Carolla]

What's that mean?

[Quinton Aaron]

His father. Different fathers. Same mother, but different fathers. And his father had other kids with some other ones.

[Adam Carolla]

So your mom is a little bit nuts, but super protective.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And probably super encouraging. Like, you can do whatever you want whenever you. She's gonna.

[Quinton Aaron]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. My mom was that woman that if I said, mom, I'm gonna rob a bank, she'll be like, okay, I'm gonna get on the phone because we're gonna need Pookie to do the driving. We're gonna second story, go get Stephanie and everybody. We gotta map out the escape plans. We got to have people take out the camera. She'll plan everything out, Right? That's what I said I wanted to do.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, all right, so you tell me what you think and how that impacted you. Because I had parents that would do nothing ever. But I figured out, all right, well, I got to do it for myself then. They're not going to do anything. It hurt my self esteem, but eventually I got my shit together and I went, I'll do it for myself. Your mom gave you the. You can do whatever you want. The world is your oyster, and blah, blah, blah. Did it help? Did it hurt? Is there a part of you that went like, maybe she laid it on a little thick?

[Quinton Aaron]

No, I felt like it was great because she. She was that positive person that never believed you couldn't do what you didn't want to do. I mean, which never believed that you couldn't do what you wanted.

[Adam Carolla]

Mm.

[Quinton Aaron]

You know, to her, the sky's the limit. You know, anything you wanted to achieve, you can achieve it. We were on hold for, like, over a year for the Blindside, waiting on that. She always said, don't worry about it. When they get ready to do that movie, they're gonna call you. I believe that. And that was her. She truly stuck by what she believed in. And that's the reason I am the way I am today.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. But is there ever a time when you think, like, you have an unrealistic expectation for life and people around you because your mom built it up a little too much?

[Quinton Aaron]

No, not really.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, come on, please. Because it's the only thing that's gonna save this for me. Don't you feel? Please tell me. Well, there's times when, you know, I mean, she saw you a certain way, but life sees you another way.

[Quinton Aaron]

Life does see you another way.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, if she was here, you'd get a tour of Air Force One, probably, right?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, she was. She would have got the tour before me and then told me what it was like.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. But all it was was positive.

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah, everything was positive. It's funny, because a lot of people today don't activate off of common sense. But that is something I do operate with, and she did, which is why a lot of things worked in our favor. You know, there's being a realist and then there's knowing what you can and can't do and what's your limitations. Everyone has limitations, but not everyone know what they are.

[Adam Carolla]

Did she make money doing poetry when you were coming up or. She had a job.

[Quinton Aaron]

It was just. Yeah, she had a job. She worked until she became disabled, but poetry was just. Writing was just something she loved to do and she did in her spare.

[Adam Carolla]

Time and got published before she passed away. All right, I think we're going to take a break here, Quentin. I'll throw out a website and it's the Quinton Foundation, Anti bullying foundation. And you can shoot him a tweet at Quintanarin if you like. Anything else I'm missing here, Quentin?

[Quinton Aaron]

No, pretty much that's it. Everyone can reach me on Twitter. The websites of my foundation is also on there. It's just at www.quentinarin.gov.org. sorry, not gov.

[Adam Carolla]

Gov would be cool.

[Quinton Aaron]

I know, right?

[Adam Carolla]

You could get on that plane if it was gov.

[Quinton Aaron]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

Thanks, Quentin. Appreciate it.

[Quinton Aaron]

Thank you. Hi, I'm Larry Miller. But in a way, aren't we all? And this week on this Week with Larry Miller. You've heard about the battle of Britain. You've heard about the battle of the Bulge. I will tell you about the battle of the thermostat, the worst of all. Tune in to LarryMillerpodcast.com and we'll see you here.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Well, this is a nice little change of pace. Daisy Dash is, I was gonna say in studio, but in basement, you've probably given away £471 to our last guest. So this is nice. Good to see you again.

[Stacey Dash]

Nice to see you.

[Adam Carolla]

Stacey Dash. You probably know from Clueless and a million other things. I guess Stacy's name kind of came up because you endorsed Mitt Romney and it became sort of a big deal where it's like an African American is endorsing a white guy when there's a black guy. I don't know how you feel about that. I'll give you my feelings after you share yours.

[Stacey Dash]

How I feel about it. Well, I feel like I did the right thing.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I guess what I'm saying is it's weird when I talk about this all the time where people go, this community is 40% or 60%. You know, you fill in the blank. Asian, African American, Hispanic, whatever it is.

[Stacey Dash]

Not Persian.

[Adam Carolla]

Persian, whatever it Is like this. That's. And then there's 10 people on the city council, but only three of them are Persian. Or only three of them. And I'm like, do we have to have an exact balance of. Can't we just elect intelligent people that we think will make good decisions for the citizens? And do they have to look like me? And by the way, does that ever work? What I'm saying is, every guy Don King ripped off was black, so what good is it?

[Allison Rosen]

I agree.

[Adam Carolla]

You know what I mean? And isn't it a form of racism to go, well, that guy looks like me.

[Stacey Dash]

It's not a form of racism. It is racism.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. He looks like me, so he's never gonna rip me off. But then that guy doesn't look like me, so he. What? What does that mean?

[Stacey Dash]

It's racism. Is racism. Is racism. I mean, you should be able to make a choice based on the content of someone's character, the color of their skin.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Stacey Dash]

This is not 1965.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Stacey Dash]

We've won that battle. We should move on. That's how I feel.

[Adam Carolla]

I like that as well. And I think a lot of people don't want to move on. And I think a lot. You know, it's weird, but I have this. I only deal with psychology. Like, I don't have any facts or figures. I just sort of deal with what motivates people. And it'll be interesting because here's an interesting prediction. I've always said that after we elected President Obama, I feel like a lot of the people that were in certain positions in the media and beyond, doubled down on their efforts to create the racist society that I don't believe we really lived in before he was elected. That's why he got elected. But they realized, just because we have a black president does not mean racism has been removed. And we're going to work overtime to find it in every story. And the thing that's interesting is if Hillary Clinton becomes president, and me, you, and Ted Nugent will just move to Canada if that happens.

[Stacey Dash]

But not Canada.

[Adam Carolla]

But okay, me, you, and Ted Nugent will move to Baja, California. We'll pitch a tent. Ted will go hunt all day. We'll just make. We'll make love on the beach. It'll be awesome. It'll be awesome.

[Stacey Dash]

Will you and Ted Nugent.

[Adam Carolla]

No, he'll be hunting. I'll be gathering. You know what I'm saying? We'll work it out.

[Stacey Dash]

But I like to hunt, too.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, well, you guys can go out, you know, platonically. Thank you so much get small game, squirrel stuff like that. I'll sit back, wait, you know, for you to present it to me.

[Stacey Dash]

I like to shoot birds.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, well, I'll get into. We'll get into that. I want to. But I do want to know about that. But here's an interesting. Here's psychologically. So we elected our first black president, and I feel like there's been more racial conversations over the last five years than we've ever had before. And I feel like a lot of the usual suspects have doubled down on it because they almost felt like, oh, well, if we've elected a black president, then how. And you keep beating this racism drum. How's that going to work? I mean, what if you were just pitching this in another country where you just took another country and you went, well, there's the Sunnis and the Kurds and they're very blah, blah. But they elected one of these guys. We'd go, well, why then? They're not. So if somehow Hillary Clinton gets elected, do you think ISIS suspect. There's going to be four years of feminist talk. There's going to be. It's going to be found in every story.

[Stacey Dash]

Our first black president. And doesn't mean we have to vote. Our first woman.

[Adam Carolla]

We could get on a feel good role.

[Stacey Dash]

I don't want to. I hope not. I mean, I hope we are what's smart and what's wise.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but we're not. We're not wired that way. We're. We're wired now and become that way.

[Stacey Dash]

Why don't we do that?

[Adam Carolla]

I would like that.

[Stacey Dash]

So would I.

[Adam Carolla]

But I think we're more wired to pat ourselves on the back and feel good about ourselves.

[Stacey Dash]

Not everyone.

[Adam Carolla]

No, not everyone. Not me, you and Ted. That'll be the name of the reality show we sell to the Outdoor Network. No. Be a lot of footage of me going, Stacy and Ted have been gone for like four hours now. I don't know where they are. I opened this can of beans, the fire's gone cold. I don't know where Stacey is. Yeah. But I predict if Hillary gets into office, there's gonna be the same movement.

[Stacey Dash]

Not, of course there will with African.

[Adam Carolla]

American, but with feminists.

[Stacey Dash]

There's a big excuse on a big, huge platform for you to say, well, you know, you're doing this because. Because she's president, because she's a woman. You don't like it. So this is why you feel this way about that woman.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Stacey Dash]

Just like right now, everything. He's a black man, he's the president. So this is why we're pointing out every finger at every other black man and excusing all of his behavior.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you feel. I've said this a million times, but I feel it's, I don't know, racist or whateverist. But when we had the mayoral race in Los Angeles and I backed Kevin James, everyone puts me on a list of people that I somehow hate. Gay people. But I say, when I back Kevin James, he was gay. And then I realized, oh, no, he doesn't count because he's Republican. And then I realized, if you're black and Republican, you don't count as black. That's gotta be wildly insulting.

[Stacey Dash]

It's. It's not insulting. It's just absurd. I'm not insulted by it. I'm just saddened that so many people are ignorant. And that just makes me more adamant about informing people they know being a Republican really means.

[Adam Carolla]

How did you get to this place in your life?

[Stacey Dash]

Well, you know, I voted for Obama. I did. And I have to say, I got blacked into it. I didn't know anything about him, but I just knew we needed a black president. I thought a great idea he had a way to unite us in such a profound, you know, dynamic.

[Adam Carolla]

I think. I think a lot of people wanted.

[Stacey Dash]

To be a part of the exact opposite to me.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you know, I listen. Not only that, when I heard first two things, when I heard hope and change, I got pissed off because I don't like hope. I like hard work.

[Stacey Dash]

I didn't even pay attention.

[Adam Carolla]

And the change part. And when he said, you know, in two months, I'm gonna fundamentally change this country, I thought, we don't need. Cuba needs to change. Darfur needs to change. We don't need to fundamentally change this country.

[Stacey Dash]

I have to say, this is the thing. The good thing.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Stacey Dash]

I wish I would have thought all those things. I didn't. I just thought, we need a black president. I didn't pay attention to anything he did. So I voted for him.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

He won.

[Stacey Dash]

So then I paid attention and I realized, oh, God, what have I done? You know, what's going on here? This is all wrong. This is socialism at its best, and I'm not a socialist.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, how did you come up and where were you brought up and how did you. I know we're getting to how you've arrived at this, but your background.

[Stacey Dash]

I'm from South Bronx. I come from nothing. I then moved to Los Angeles and went to school. During forced busing back to New York and then came back.

[Adam Carolla]

Why Los Angeles?

[Stacey Dash]

That's just where my mother came.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Stacey Dash]

Yeah, she came to Los Angeles.

[Adam Carolla]

She came to Los Angeles. You were here from what age to what age?

[Stacey Dash]

12 to 15.

[Adam Carolla]

And are you mixed or what? Is your ethnicity? And were your parents divorced?

[Allison Rosen]

Yeah.

[Stacey Dash]

Well, dysfunctional.

[Adam Carolla]

Dad was in and out or what?

[Stacey Dash]

Yeah, it was dysfunctional.

[Adam Carolla]

Is he around?

[Stacey Dash]

He's dead.

[Adam Carolla]

So not around. Please answer the question.

[Stacey Dash]

He's dead.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm being a dick.

[Stacey Dash]

You are a dick.

[Adam Carolla]

Huh?

[Brian Bishop]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm just embarrassed. Dad's gone. I got to stop asking people that. Were you guys able to reconcile before he moved on? He's dead and I'm glad. Listen, I like that you're semi cavalier about it because I believe you got to earn your spot as a parent.

[Stacey Dash]

You have to earn your spot as a parent. And I've been a parent for 23 years.

[Adam Carolla]

You have?

[Stacey Dash]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

I did not know that. You have a 23 year old.

[Stacey Dash]

I do. And a 10 year old.

[Adam Carolla]

And a 10 year old. So you had a child early? Yes, on. And were you. What were you doing at that time?

[Stacey Dash]

Hustling to take care of my child.

[Adam Carolla]

Were you involved with acting?

[Stacey Dash]

I was acting. I've been acting since I was 18.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, so how old were you, if you don't mind me doing the math here.

[Stacey Dash]

I was 23.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you're 23. Wow. You look amazing.

[Quinton Aaron]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

It's gotta be weird to have a hot mom.

[Brian Bishop]

Shh.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, no, because, you know, my mom was like mom. You know what I mean? All my friends, moms are just moms. They look like moms. Yeah, yeah. You don't look like mom. So you go back to New York at what age? 15 and dad is kind of in and out.

[Stacey Dash]

My mother was remarried.

[Adam Carolla]

Remarried. And dad was. Never really earned it.

[Stacey Dash]

It's complicated, you know, I hate to say that, but, you know, that's not the point. The point.

[Adam Carolla]

How's remarried? How's stepdad?

[Stacey Dash]

He was. He was a good man. He's normal. Normal guy.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, that's good.

[Stacey Dash]

Yeah, that is good. But the point is that you're not where you come from. You know what I'm saying? You have to at some point take responsibility for your life.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, this brings us to back around to this very good point, which is I feel like people get buried in their heritage.

[Stacey Dash]

Yes, they do.

[Adam Carolla]

And I think who gives a shit?

[Stacey Dash]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

Like your dad's your dad. My dad's my dad. And maybe he was around and maybe he wasn't. Maybe he was born in Mexico or he was born in Italy. What the fuck difference does that make? Go do whatever you're gonna do.

[Stacey Dash]

Right. History is history. And either you can take the bad from it and dwell on it and sit in it, or you could take the good and learn from it and grow wisdom from it, which is what I choose to do.

[Adam Carolla]

So you then pick up acting. I mean, obviously. You're very beautiful.

[Stacey Dash]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

You were probably always, you know, at least a seven and a half. I mean, there's awkward. Well, look, women go through awkward stages sometimes where you're just not firing on all cylinders. But no, the bones were always there is what I'm saying. You know what I mean? Well, no, what I'm saying is I see women at 45 and you see pictures of them at 19 and they look better at 45 because they, at 19, they didn't know what to do with their hair. They didn't have their shit together. Like, you know what I mean? Some people never go through that. I've never been through an awkward face.

[Stacey Dash]

No, never.

[Adam Carolla]

But some.

[Stacey Dash]

I didn't know you when you were younger.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, no, the reason, as I say to my son all the time, I'm hot because I don't know it. And he always says, but you just said it.

[Stacey Dash]

But it's true. That is absolutely the truth.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. See, I have no idea how hot I am.

[Stacey Dash]

It's so true.

[Adam Carolla]

And that's what makes me hot. Hot. Right. But at a young age you're always, I'm guessing at some point you think about modeling or.

[Stacey Dash]

Modeling.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Stacey Dash]

Never thought about modeling.

[Adam Carolla]

Always just acting.

[Allison Rosen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And so where does it, where does it begin? And is clueless the first big break or what's the big break?

[Stacey Dash]

Cosby Show.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh yeah.

[Stacey Dash]

That was my first big job.

[Adam Carolla]

You were Theo's girlfriend.

[Stacey Dash]

No, I played Denise's friend. And I thought I was pregnant.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, very special episode.

[Allison Rosen]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Uh huh.

[Stacey Dash]

What a surprise.

[Adam Carolla]

So that must have been crazy because that's like the biggest show on TV at that time.

[Stacey Dash]

And all of my scenes were with Bill.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really? Yes.

[Stacey Dash]

Awesome.

[Adam Carolla]

Now what about Bill Cosby? I'm guessing you'll probably agree with me on this. You know, I don't know, eight years ago the guy says, hey, young black men, pull up your pants and you know, speak proper English and get a job. Like, what? What's the deal? And everyone just turns on him. Yeah, like everyone just.

[Stacey Dash]

He's right.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I know he's right. You know he's right. I think the people screaming, he's Wrong, knows he's right. It's hard to argue with pull your pants up.

[Stacey Dash]

Well, they're just.

[Adam Carolla]

No, don't pull your pants out.

[Stacey Dash]

That's because they're un. Uninformed. They're uninformed and they need to be informed in a hands on way, not in some big way like somebody telling them from way over here face to face. Because that's the kind of guys they are. And I know this because that's where I come from. You need to say face to face. Look, this is the deal.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, how is it that you seem to have gotten it and many others.

[Stacey Dash]

Blessed? Maybe. I don't know, because I got it at a very early age.

[Adam Carolla]

You got that you needed to just bust your ass.

[Stacey Dash]

Yeah, that I had to take care of myself. That I had to learn, that I had to be smarter.

[Adam Carolla]

And, you know, that wasn't to survive. Handed down to you. Certainly not by your dad.

[Stacey Dash]

No. But I feel like that is my blessing from coming from the South Bronx.

[Adam Carolla]

So you book. How old are you when you book The Cosby Show?

[Stacey Dash]

19.

[Adam Carolla]

So that's massive. And you're doing all your scenes with Bill Cosby and I imagine you'd heard of him before the show. And then from that comes what?

[Stacey Dash]

Moving. Richard Pryor.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really? I can see the poster now. To me, every one of those Richard Pryor comedies from the 80s should have just been called Richard Pryor Scared. Richard Pryor Scared. Because it was all just him running. The poser was like him running and a bunch of klan guys coming after him or truck or something.

[Stacey Dash]

We didn't have any Klansmen in ours.

[Adam Carolla]

Damn. It must have been that Cicely Tyson movie I'm thinking of.

[Allison Rosen]

Probably.

[Adam Carolla]

So you were in Moving? Because I've seen Moving.

[Bret Easton Ellis]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Now I gotta see the poster of that. But you were his daughter. And so now you're going from working with Bill Cosby to Richard Pryor to Richard Pryor.

[Brian Bishop]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you know, not only, you know, you can go, well, two of the biggest African American, just two of the biggest celebrities, comedians, just celebrities at the time. I mean, you're going from the biggest one on top tv. Oh, I'm looking at the poster right now. You're going from the biggest one on TV to the biggest one theatrically. Wow. Yeah. And I do remember that movie. I know it was about moving.

[Allison Rosen]

Moving.

[Adam Carolla]

It was. It was kind of the Money pit of moving. But I don't know how. I can't remember how it went other than he was moving.

[Stacey Dash]

Yeah, I didn't Want to move?

[Adam Carolla]

Comedy ensued.

[Stacey Dash]

Yeah, that's it.

[Adam Carolla]

And what was it like working with. Was Richard Pryor, like coked out of his mind? No, no, I don't know any of that. You don't know anything about that.

[Stacey Dash]

But he liked the horse races.

[Adam Carolla]

Uh huh.

[Stacey Dash]

And he taught me about the horse races. Love that.

[Adam Carolla]

Where I'm trying to think where he was in his world, like what number wife he was on.

[Stacey Dash]

Does anyone know?

[Adam Carolla]

It's just Pre. Him lighting himself on fire. Right.

[Stacey Dash]

Post.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, it was Post. How was it?

[Stacey Dash]

He was lovely. He was a very sweet man.

[Adam Carolla]

And did he seem. Could you see a bunch of burn scars and stuff on him?

[Quinton Aaron]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And was he, Was he. He seemed like one of these guys that was like, like a lot of addicts and that they're wildly uncomfortable in their own skin and then they're great when they're doing what they're doing.

[Stacey Dash]

It wasn't that he was uncomfortable in his own skin. I feel like it was that he was wiser than his time and he'd seen so much and let it affect him in a dark way as opposed to taking it and turning it into light. So as 50 Cent would say, turning shit into sugar, you know, he let it get the best of him.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, I like that. 50 Cent, this is Poet. So now, how's it been then for you being, well, half black and then coming out for Romney? A lot of shit from 50 Cent and others?

[Stacey Dash]

No, not 50 cents, 50 Cent or any of those guys. They're my friends, they back me. But a lot of people, not everybody, told me to kill myself. I'm an Uncle Tom, an Oreo, I hate being black, blah, blah, blah.

[Adam Carolla]

See, again, rhetoric. No, I understand that. I find it ironic when the people that are talking about hate speak and the people that are talking about racism and all that that are participating in it while they're calling you something racist. Yeah, because you made a decision to vote for a guy you thought would do a better job based on his character. Right. That seems so. Like, I don't know why they don't know it. There's an arrogance to it.

[Quinton Aaron]

Because it's okay.

[Stacey Dash]

For some reason right now it's okay to think that way. And that's what has to change.

[Adam Carolla]

So what would you like for 2016? Yeah, you don't want Hillary.

[Stacey Dash]

I'm a Republican. So I just want people to understand that they are free, that they only have to exercise their freedom, take advantage of their opportunities, and that the American dream is available to everyone, but it must be Self evident. No one can give it to you. You have to work for it.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Stacey Dash]

And you can, despite where you come from. I know it because that's my life. I experienced it.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I'm aware of it. Despite the fact that I'm white and have genitalia that resembles a male.

[Stacey Dash]

Yeah, I know you went to North Hollywood High School and I went to.

[Adam Carolla]

North Hollywood High School. I also know that, you know, hard work will get you where you want it to be.

[Stacey Dash]

That's exactly right.

[Adam Carolla]

And it drives me insane when people get up there and go, the playing field's not level. And it's just like, why are you telling people they can't do what they want to do in 2013 in the United States? This is the worst. And it's one thing if you manage a bar and that's your fucking rap, but when you're the leader of the free world or when you're speaking in front of huge groups of people and you're telling them it's 2012 or 2013 and the playing field is not level and you're not going to be able to. What are you doing? It's like a football coach saying, you're undersized. You're Sloan. You're never going to win.

[Stacey Dash]

Well, then certainly you shouldn't be leading. You should be fired.

[Adam Carolla]

I completely agree. I mean, every time these guys take the podium and they explain that there's inequities and there's a huge chasm between this and. There's hard working people, but hard work's not enough because we're living under a system that. I think I always scream at the tv, shut up.

[Stacey Dash]

Me too.

[Adam Carolla]

You're screwing everyone up.

[Stacey Dash]

So do my children. We all do. The three of us. We just yell at the tv.

[Adam Carolla]

For Christ's sake. Just tell everyone, work hard.

[Stacey Dash]

You can do it. There's enough to go around.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. And I say all the time, look, what do you want? What do you mean? Level playing field? It's impossible. Tall people have an advantage over short people. Women live longer.

[Stacey Dash]

Laziness.

[Brian Bishop]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Whatever it is, it's never the same. Of course it's not the same. Yes. You're getting a whole bunch of people that are just dependent on you and they're angry. Believe me, I grew up with this. And nobody took more from the government than my mom. And nobody hated the government more than my mom. It's sort of like the family members you. You've lent money to versus the ones you haven't. Who resents you more? The people that resent me the most on the planet are definitely the ones I've done the most for. So that's the micro version of it. Now, Macro, you just become a huge group of people that resents the shit out of the people that are keeping them alive. I mean, have you ever seen.

[Stacey Dash]

There's no accountability for yourself and when you can't count on yourself, you just. You become vacant?

[Adam Carolla]

Right. But. And then learn to resent those that sort of helped aid in your vacancy.

[Stacey Dash]

Because it's easier to be mad than sad.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Stacey Dash]

The unfortunate thing, though, is that anger is not sustainable.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I think it starts with shame and then it turns to anger. But I've never heard such a lashing out against the whatever percenters that are essentially paying for everything. This notion of everyone pay your fair, you know, you're not paying your fair share, or these guys get this. I've never seen a time in this country's history where we took the small group that was basically keeping this whole, keeping the lights on in this party and turned against them like they were the enemy. It's insane to me. And the idea that a lot of folks were fanning those flames and a lot of folks who knew better and a lot of folks who golfed with those folks were fanning those flames, it seems irresponsible to me.

[Stacey Dash]

It's irresponsible. And it's also. I think that they're uninformed. That is my main belief. People are uninformed and that.

[Adam Carolla]

Who's uninformed, though? The people or the people that are guiding them?

[Stacey Dash]

The bashing, the bashers. But the people that are guiding, they need to be more offensive. They need to be more on. On the front line, in the game, in the ring, fighting the battle instead of being on the defensive. Because when you're on the defensive, you do. You say and do things that are covering, instead of standing where you stand and standing what you stand for and explaining what that is.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I think that's a positive note to wrap up on Stacy, I want to give some plugs out for you. Real Stacy Dash is where you can find her. As far as Twitter goes, website, projects, things. Coming up.

[Stacey Dash]

Writing an autobiography.

[Adam Carolla]

Mm.

[Stacey Dash]

And then I'm also auditioning, trying to get a job.

[Adam Carolla]

Give me one juicy thing from the autobiography I did. I gave you a little bit something good. Something we don't know about you.

[Stacey Dash]

Well, you know what I realized is that the code of the streets is very much like the code of the world that we are not following right now.

[Adam Carolla]

Explain that.

[Stacey Dash]

Well, you know, where I come from, if you owed somebody money, you know, I remember the president saying we had a sustainable debt.

[Adam Carolla]

Mm.

[Stacey Dash]

I don't know what that means. Because if you owed somebody money and you didn't pay him in 10 days, say somebody was gonna come see you, there were consequences.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Stacey Dash]

Today there are no consequences. There's no code.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Stacey Dash]

To follow.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Stacey Dash]

That needs to come back. And that's something that I am able to explain in my book from growing up, where I grew up and how it relates to today.

[Adam Carolla]

When do you think it may come out, by the way? All right, we'll mark it on the calendar. You can come back, give it a nice plug. By the way, you don't have to wait for Stacy's book to come out on Amazon to put a little wind in the sails of the pirate ship. You're going to go to Amazon, do a lot of Christmas shopping on Amazon. Go to AdamCarolla.com and you click through the Amazon banner, you bookmark it. We get a little moistening of our beak. So you go there and you buy a flat panel tv. We get a little something something and it helps keep the lights on here at the Reagan Library. Also, speaking of that Mangria back, man, we found a nice supply of it. You can click on Corolla Drinks and hit the Buy now button. It'll send you to Binny's and they have a nice cache of it over there. So the supply was a little thin. And now it's back at Corolla Drinks Buy now button. Or you can go to www.Binnys.com and get yourself some Mangria for the holidays. And finally, who can forget DraftKings, baby? The millionaire grand final this weekend. You could win a million bucks. I got a little tip for you, Vernon Davis. Love me some Vernon Davis. He's helped DraftKings guy win 25,000 bucks. He's a big performer. And he catches balls. He catches touchdowns. One day. Fantasy sports. Not the whole drawn out long season like Stacy. I know you're knee deep in your fantasy football league over there, but this is one day sports. You lose one day, you pick up a new team the next day. True story. Guy won a hundred grand first time out. Dawson. DraftKings. If you hurry, you can get free entry into the Millionaire grand final happening this weekend. Only enter promo code [e-mail] for your free shot to be crowned a fantasy football millionaire. But you got Andrew Adam to [e-mail] for details and your free entry, visit DraftKings.com DraftKings.com oh, right. Let's see, what am I missing here? Quentin. Where'd Quentin. What did I do with Quentin's card? Did I throw that card away or did I turn it over? Ah. Okay. All right. I want to thank Stacey Dash for coming in here and Quinn Aaron for coming in here and me for coming in here. I'm going to go upstairs and hang out and kick some tires and have some fun. I want to thank the good folks here at the Reagan Library. And Kevin Costner and his band is going to be playing a little bit later tonight. And until next time, this is Adam Carolla for Stacey Dash Quinton Aaron saying mahalo.

[Allison Rosen]

All right.

[Adam Carolla]

This is adam Cole show 1227. That does it for today's cold classics.

[Brian Bishop]

Make sure to tune in tomorrow for.

[Adam Carolla]

An all new installment. Until then, get it on.