C. Thomas Howell Learned to Smoke Cigs on Ride to E.T. Audition

Summary

The Adam Carolla Show Episode: "C. Thomas Howell Learned to Smoke Cigs on Ride to E.T. Audition" Date: January 7, 2026

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Overview

In this lively episode, Adam Carolla welcomes iconic actor C. Thomas Howell (E.T., The Outsiders, Red Dawn) for a deep-dive conversation on Hollywood's changing landscape, behind-the-scenes tales from classic films, the realities of showbiz longevity, wild stories from set, and candid observations on pop culture. Regular news contributor Alicia Krause joins in to deliver an offbeat but incisive current events discussion—including a viral incident at a Bay Area gym—and all the banter, laughs, and rants that Carolla fans expect.

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Hollywood Then & Now: Rules, Reboots, and Realness

• The Evolution of Showbiz (03:34 - 06:05)

• Adam and C. Thomas reflect on how the entertainment industry used to be governed by strict rules and hierarchies—TV vs. film, major talk-show exclusivity, and more—contrasting it with today's no-rules, all-access ethos.

  • Adam Carolla (04:10):
    “There are no more rules in show business… There were nothing but rules. Times have changed and there is no… now you have a career and a cosmetics line. There’s just no more rules.”

• The pair discuss how the internet democratized celebrity, removed gatekeepers, and presented both new opportunities and new annoyances.

  • C. Thomas Howell (05:16):
    “The Internet changed it all… now every idiot has a voice.”

• Howell emphasizes the real challenge for actors is longevity, not quick fame.

• Howell’s Stuntman Heritage and Riding into E.T. (06:05 - 07:41, 35:05 – 37:43)

• C. Thomas reminisces on his unique start: son of a Hollywood stuntman, raised in the San Fernando Valley, riding dirt bikes and horses, and working on sets from age six.

  • C. Thomas Howell (06:05):
    “My father, a renowned stuntman… that’s how I got my first role in a major motion picture, which was E.T., because I could ride the bikes.”

• Tells the incredible story learning to smoke cigarettes for his E.T. audition:

  • C. Thomas Howell (35:23):
    “My father picks me up at school and says, ‘We’re going to go meet Steven Spielberg. You have to know how to smoke a cigarette.’ He hands me a pack of Marlboros and says, ‘Figure this out on the way to the audition.’”
  • 36:42 (On getting the part):
    “He goes, ‘How do you feel about smoking a cigarette?’ And I fish out my pack of Marlboros… he says, ‘Alright, kid, you got the part.’”

• Shares details about how top-secret the E.T. production was—even for the cast—due to Spielberg’s security obsession.

  • C. Thomas Howell (37:10):
    “To this day, I’ve never seen or read an entire [E.T.] script… There was a sense that it was special. It was called ‘A Boy’s Life’ at the time.”

• Classic TV, Old-School Hollywood, and Weird Connections (07:41 – 16:13)

• The guys go in-depth reminiscing about TV series like Family Affair, Hardcastle and McCormick, and more—using them as jumping-off points for commentary on generational change, nostalgia, and the oddities of the era.

  • Adam Carolla (09:04):
    “He looked hungover constantly. Yeah. So Family Affair would be like, these poor kids were traumatized because both their parents died in a car accident...”
  • C. Thomas Howell (10:32):
    “...they punished the little girl for leaving the toy out. And they locked up Mrs. Beasley in the closet. And it traumatized me.”

• Adam shares an anecdote about recognizing old actors in commercials—an illustration of how pop culture, memory, and aging collide.

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Movie Memories: The Outsiders, Red Dawn, and Hollywood Legends

• Outsiders Cast and On-set Rivalries (17:51 – 24:52)

• Howell dishes on working with the star-studded cast of The Outsiders: young Tom Cruise, Rob Lowe, Swayze, Matt Dillon, Ralph Macchio, Emilio Estevez, Diane Lane, and more.

  • C. Thomas Howell (20:00):
    “Rob Lowe, Matt Dillon, Ralph, Emilio, Tom Cruise, myself… pranks were a big part…”

• Shares the real rivalry cultivated between the "Greasers" and "Socials" on set—intentionally fostered by director Francis Ford Coppola through competitive games and group activities to boost on-screen chemistry and tension.

  • Adam Carolla (22:52):
    “They literally created what they were trying to do on screen, off screen, on the set, which is an interesting kind of human condition, right?”
  • C. Thomas Howell (23:35):
    “He [Coppola] was the greatest psychologist ever… manipulated all of us so geniusly.”

• Swayze, Leif Garrett, and the Power of Hair (16:45 – 29:20)

• Recounts wild times with Patrick Swayze off and on set, including a tense dispute with Jennifer Grey on Red Dawn over a cut love scene.

  • C. Thomas Howell (17:51):
    “Swayze started leaning away from it… She didn’t want to do press with him… Could you imagine when she got the call: it’s Patrick Swayze (for Dirty Dancing)?”

• Discusses the 1970s/80s fixation on hair as currency for male stars—and the existential crisis when it disappears (Leif Garrett, Andre Agassi).

  • Adam Carolla (27:40):
    “Never a better time for you and your hair… Leif Garrett was all about the hair.”
  • C. Thomas Howell (27:55):
    “And they both had Brooke Shields. Maybe it’s her fault.”

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Set Stories: Classic Film & The Price of Authenticity

• From The Hitcher to Lost Legends (47:33 – 63:46)

• Howell reflects on the set of The Hitcher, learning from the intimidating Rutger Hauer about playing villains with real emotion, and losing legendary co-stars like Oliver Reed and Roy Kinnear under tragic or wild circumstances.

  • C. Thomas Howell (48:10):
    “He had this knack for injecting humanity into his villains, and that becomes scary as hell when you start to watch it.”

• True tales of on-set danger, pranks, and the sometimes literal cost of authenticity (riding your own horses, real-action scenes, actors getting injured/dying mid-production). Howell recalls being on set when Roy Kinnear died and what it was like to have to finish shooting around that tragedy.

• On Remakes & Hollywood Recycling Culture (42:23 – 46:02)

• Adam and Howell roast the epidemic of unnecessary reboots and IP recycling:
  • Adam Carolla (42:23):
    “Now, here's the way Hollywood works—people heard of Land of the Lost, they didn’t like it… But they will remake anything.”
  • Discusses the pitfalls of sequels/remakes, referencing flops like Red Dawn 2 and the exceptions (Godfather I & II).

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The Business Today & Howell’s Current Projects

• New Movies, Music, and Comic-Cons (03:34 – 04:10, 64:15 – 67:13)

• Howell plugs his new double-feature film series, One Mile and One More Mile, dropping in theaters February, and talks about the fun and community of modern “pop culture cons” (aka mini Comic Cons).

  • C. Thomas Howell (64:32):
    “We shot two films back to back… They're going to, you know—you buy a ticket for one, you see both films in the theater.”

• Shares his musical side: just put out a second album, loving the freedom of gigging, compared to film:

  • C. Thomas Howell (66:08):
    “Going from the two-hour storytelling format to the two-minute storytelling format was pretty seamless for me… we opened for Lynyrd Skynyrd, Tanya Tucker, the Gatlin Brothers…”

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Contemporary News & Social Commentary

• Building in Malibu: Prefab Woes vs. Bureaucratic Nightmares (73:55 – 82:11)

• An in-depth discussion (with Alicia Krause) about the Malibu wildfire aftermath, the difficulties of rebuilding due to bureaucratic red tape, Coastal Commission restrictions, and the obstacles facing fireproof modular homes.

  • Adam Carolla (78:15):
    “You can do all the prefab China built factory homes you want, ship them over here, but you still have to put them on a foundation approved by the Coastal Commission… That's gonna require hundreds of yards of concrete…”

• Commentary on how government dysfunction and local politics impede real progress for residents, and reflections on changing communities.

• Viral Incident: Trans Gym Goer in Women’s Locker Room (89:09 – 105:11)

• Alicia presents a news story about a viral incident in a Bay Area Planet Fitness, where a self-identified trans woman was caught masturbating in a women's bathroom—sparking confusion, anger, and social commentary.

  • Plays audio of the boyfriend confronting the individual:
    • Boyfriend (98:12):
      “As somebody with a penis, I'm not gonna walk into the women's bathroom and jack my—bro, it doesn't matter… that's inappropriate to be doing with females around.”
    • Adam Carolla's analysis:
      “The part of society where we're gonna kind of just go on the honor system, it's so far down the road, we can't even do that anymore.”

• The panel discusses the backlash against the policies that led to these situations, the confusion around social justice causes, and why such incidents fuel political polarization.

  • Alicia Krause (99:45):
    “Because you had this guy—the brave boyfriend… such an average dude that can see the insanity of this right in front of his face and see how it violated his girlfriend… doing the chivalrous thing by calling the shit out of… as the gym does nothing.”

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Notable/Entertaining Quotes

• C. Thomas Howell (36:42):
  “He goes, ‘How do you feel about smoking a cigarette?’ And I fish out my pack of Marlboros… he says, ‘Alright, kid, you got the part.’”

• Adam Carolla (44:08):
  “There's people who have never heard of Land of the Lost, and then there's people who've heard of it and think it's horrible. So I don't know what you're—what are you doing?”

• C. Thomas Howell (48:10):
  “He [Rutger Hauer] had this knack for injecting humanity into his villains, and that becomes scary as hell when you start to watch it.”

• Adam Carolla (78:15):
  “You can do all the prefab China built factory homes you want, but you still have to put them on a foundation that's approved by the Coastal Commission…”

• Boyfriend at Planet Fitness confrontation (98:12):
  “As somebody with a penis, I'm not gonna walk into the women's bathroom and jack my—bro, it doesn't matter… that's inappropriate to be doing with females around.”

• C. Thomas Howell (54:07):
  “If I'm kind… if I could take a moment and take a picture with somebody or, you know, knuckle bump somebody, you know, I've just gained not one fan, but probably a dozen more.”

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Memorable Moments & Banter

• Howell’s candidness about the uncertain fates and foibles of Hollywood stars.
• Adam riffing on the 'power of hair' for male celebs and the disasters that follow hair loss, with particular reference to Leif Garrett and Andre Agassi.
• Stories of old-school, hard-living actors dying in wild or tragic circumstances—Oliver Reed, Roy Kinnear—with Howell sharing personal anecdotes from the set.
• The news segment digresses into a comedic but serious analysis of social confusion over gender identity, public spaces, and shifting cultural norms—punctuated by Adam's and C. Thomas’s characteristic blend of cynicism and humor.
• Panel tangents about old sitcoms, the endurance of pop culture memory, and the ironies of aging.

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Structured Timestamps of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment / Topic | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:34 | Comic-Con/Pop Culture Conventions, Showbiz Rule Changes | | 06:05 | Howell's Early Acting/Family Background, Child Star Longevity | | 35:23 | E.T. Audition Story | | 42:23 | Hollywood Remakes: Red Dawn, Land of the Lost | | 47:33 | Howell on The Hitcher, Rutger Hauer, Playing Villains | | 64:15 | New Films: One Mile and One More Mile, Howell's Music Career | | 73:55 | Malibu Wildfire News: Bureaucracy, Prefab Homes, Local Government Critique | | 89:09 | Viral News: Trans Woman in SF Planet Fitness, Societal Reactions | | 98:12 | Audio: Boyfriend Confronts Trans Woman, Panel Discussion |

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Final Thoughts

A rich, candid, and often hilarious conversation that blends Old Hollywood wisdom, wild set stories, and take-no-prisoners social commentary. With C. Thomas Howell's honesty and Adam’s irreverent intelligence, the episode dives into why some legends endure, how media and culture mutate, and what’s getting lost—and found—in the churn.

For fans of real (and really entertaining) inside-Hollywood talk—with a dose of social banter and Carolla’s signature rants—this is a must-listen.

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Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

Well, in this episode, famous actor, first movie was E.T. by the way, C. Thomas Howell's gonna join me in studio. Alicia Krause has all the news and we'll do all that right after this. Hey, this is Adam Carolla from the Adam Carolla show. Bowl season is here and Bet Online gives you more ways to play the latest odds, breaking news, live scores and in game betting so you never miss a moment of college football, Bulls, NFL playoff races. It's all there, all the time. Every bowl matchup, NFL late season games, all the way to NBA hardwood battles, college hoops tip offs. Bet Online has you locked in all year long. And if you love UFC fights and NHL futures, Bet Online is the place to get in on all of the action. And when it's time to switch gears, dive into Betonline's casino, packed with hundreds of the hottest slots, classic table games, live dealers and massive jackpots waiting to be hit. And don't forget the VIP program with exclusive level up bonuses, weekly cash boosts and rewards design for serious players. Head to Betonline today because at Betonline, the game starts here.

[Alicia Krause]

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[C. Thomas Howell]

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[Alicia Krause]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[C. Thomas Howell]

Studios in Glendale, California. This is the Adam Corolla show. Adam's guest today. See Thomas Howell.

[Adam Carolla]

Plus the news with Alicia Crouse.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And now Adam Carolla.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, get it on. Got to get on that joint. I get on mandate to get it on. Thanks for tuning in, C. Thomas Howe back in studio. One of the good ones. See Thomas Al. Just a good dude, man. Life's interesting, you know. See Tommy, I remember seeing you on ET and Outsiders and of course Red dawn, which I've seen, I may have seen red dawn 77 times over. Under 77. Never turn it off. Wolverines. Never, never get tired of watching that movie. And here you are, see Thomas House also doing a thing coming up which I didn't know about. You get the ET cast together you're doing it this weekend in Los Angeles at the Marriott Burbank Hotel. And that's like Comic Con for ET and movies of that genre.

[C. Thomas Howell]

It's a pop culture thing.

[Adam Carolla]

Pop culture thing.

[C. Thomas Howell]

You know, the Comic Con phenomenon has been great for, you know, especially for actors over the past few years. I mean, when Covid hit, it basically wiped out the business. And then we had two years of a strike and.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[C. Thomas Howell]

There was a time when people were kind of embarrassed to be attached to Comic cons, but now all the greats do them. And you go and you hang out with cast members from old films and see people that you've worked with and basically sign memorabilia or take a photo and put a few bucks in your pocket and get on down the road.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, there are no more rules in show business. And there used to be a lot of rules. For instance, you couldn't do TV if you're a serious actor. And now there's tons of serious actors on tv. Also. You couldn't toggle back and forth between TV and features. That wasn't allowed. You couldn't even do the Tonight show and Letterman in the same six month period. You had to choose if you had a movie coming out and you could either do Letterman or you could do Leno, but you couldn't do Letterman and then the next day do Leno because Leno's people, those were against the rules. But if you want to do Leno first, you couldn't do Letterman the next. Like there were nothing but rules. Times have changed and there is no, by the way, if you were a Kardashian and there was some bootleg porn of you or something, you were ruined. You were able to make, you could make money. Now you have a career. Now you have a career cosmetic line. I mean, there were so many rules in show business and in life like as well. And there's just no more rules.

[C. Thomas Howell]

The Internet changed at all.

[Adam Carolla]

I guess the Internet did that. Right? And yeah, and it's nice because I don't think people realize that actors, comedians.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I mean, it's nice to some degree now every idiot has a voice.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, that's true, but the cream is still going to rise to the top. But I'm just saying, we hope, you know, acting, I've experienced this myself because I was really just talking to Dr. Drew about this earlier and I said, you know, the real key to this business is sort of longevity. It's not really getting hot, getting lucky. Like who? You know, like whatever that is being the it boy or the it girl. It's like hanging out for 40 years and making a living. That's. That's the tricky part.

[C. Thomas Howell]

A hundred percent. And it's not easy. I mean, a lot of child actors, you know, I started when I was very young. First thing I did was a show with Brian Keith when I was six years old called Little People. My father, a renowned stuntman his entire life. I kind of figured I'd. I'd fall into the stunt world. And that's how I got my first role in a major motion picture, which was ET Because I could ride the bikes and do some of the stunts in that.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, right, yeah. Brian Keith, by the way, famous from Family Affair and then Hardcastle and McCormick. Wow. Yeah, I missed you guys. You missed out on all the 80s sort of action buddy, sitcom y stuff where it's like this guy's a hard nosed judge and this crazy felon, race car driver, has to live with him. There's a lot of. For some reason they would force you to live with the person that was the opposite of you. And then you get Hardcastle and McCormick and this guy's just driving around this basically a dune buggy that he called the Coyote, which is not really a race car. It didn't really fit in any category or anything, but it was like a supercar that he drove around. And then Brian Keith killed himself at some point.

[C. Thomas Howell]

He did, I think might have been cancer driven.

[Adam Carolla]

I think usually when you hear about someone killing themselves after the age of 75, it's like terminal something. Yeah, but what was Little People?

[C. Thomas Howell]

So he played a pediatrician in Hawaii and my mother was running the transportation for the show at the time. And I went over to visit and I was hanging out on the set and the director came up to me and said, hey, do you want to, you know, play a part of a young kid who has an earache? And I think it was Shelly Fabre.

[Adam Carolla]

Fabre.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Shelley Fabre who co starred in it. And that was my first time on set.

[Adam Carolla]

And this is like 72. Oh, wow. Yeah, we had the beginning for Hardcastle McCormick, by the way, if you don't remember. And he had to have a good guitar lick. And he had lots of shots of tachometers and speedometers, like gauges going up, man running to the red. All right, sorry, here it is. Now the conceit is that he has a fiberglass kit car, but I don't know how that gets him, how he solves crime with a kit car.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Is he driving on the right hand side I. That looked like he was.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Could be from England. Yeah.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Apparently Keith wasn't the happiest fellow to be around.

[Adam Carolla]

He didn't ever seem like he was in a. In a good mood because I. I used to watch him on Family Affair and every. He looked hungover constantly. Yeah. So Family Affair would be like this. These poor kids were traumatized because both their parents died in a car accident. Buffy and Jody.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So who was he, the grandfather?

[Adam Carolla]

He was Uncle Bill.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Oh, he was Uncle Bill.

[Adam Carolla]

And they dropped off their two kids who would have night terrors for the next 20 years if both your parents died when you were 4 and 5 or whatever.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Thank God for Mr. French.

[Adam Carolla]

They dropped him off. Now the conceit was this guy was a confirmed bachelor. Uncle Bill. He was a highly sought after architect and lived in a Manhattan high rise. And he lived in like the penthouse. He had his personal butler, Mr. French.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Sure.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know why a single dude needs a live in butler, but he had him.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Wouldn't it be nice?

[Adam Carolla]

It would be nice. And he didn't. Uncle Bill really didn't like Buffy or Jody. No. And so what would happen was, is he'd just stand there and then Jody would go, Mrs. Beasley's got a new friend. Can we have a tea time with their new friend and sit down and drink some tea? And he'd just go, ah. He'd rub his temples and he'd just go, French. He'd yell French. And then he'd have to come in.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And I just remember one episode where they punished the little girl for leaving the toy out. And they locked up Mrs. Beasley in the closet. And it traumatized me.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll tell you something. I've never felt so old as. The other day I turn on the tv and they had one of these commercials that was. It's a phone service for elderly people where it transcribes what your grandkid is saying onto a screen. And it's like free for people over 70 or whatever. And the woman who was playing the elderly wife in the commercial was Buffy the teenage. No, sorry, Sissy. The teenage daughter from Family Affair. Wow. So I used to watch her when she was 16.

[C. Thomas Howell]

She's still around.

[Adam Carolla]

She's still around. And she's playing the happy wife of the dude who needs the phone that transcribes everything on a screen.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Wait, did you recognize her?

[Adam Carolla]

I did. I looked at her and it's like, last time I saw her, she was 16 and now she's 71. Kathy Garver. That Brain of yours is her name. I don't know. I just kept looking at her going, is that Sissy?

[C. Thomas Howell]

How do you sleep at night?

[Adam Carolla]

I use earplugs and an eye shade and a noisemaker. Otherwise, I. Brain of yours? I sit around thinking about Sissy and Buffy and Jody. And then Buffy OD'd on drugs when she was, like, 16. And then some punk rock band wrote a horrible song about her. Oding.

[C. Thomas Howell]

What happened to the kid? The boy?

[Adam Carolla]

He went on to do Disney films like Escape from Witch Mountain and those kind of. Johnny Whitaker. And he went on to do Sigmund and the Sea Monsters. That was him. That's him.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Love, Sigmund and the Seymons.

[Adam Carolla]

That's Johnny. You guys should have partied together back in the day or something.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I think he had me by a few years.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, he may have had you by a couple. Right. Here's a commercial.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Grandma, I played baseball today. Oh, that's great.

[Adam Carolla]

What position did you.

[C. Thomas Howell]

How the hell did you recognize her?

[Adam Carolla]

I have weird little indicators.

[Alicia Krause]

Is that it may just feel isolated.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, now show me a picture of Sissy, circa 1967 from Family Fair. And I was just sitting in front of my tv going, wait a minute. That's Sissy.

[C. Thomas Howell]

That's shocking. Did you hear it in the voice?

[Adam Carolla]

You know, it's weird being a human being. There's mannerisms that make you human. Just sort of the way sometimes I.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Can recognize somebody because of their voice. But that I would never have put together.

[Adam Carolla]

I had a weird thing once. I was in. I was in Miami for a Super bowl. And it was. Me and Kimmel were walking down the street. There's Sissy, bottom left. There's Mr. French, Buffy, Jody, Mrs. Beasley, not seen in this picture. And happier days for Brian Keith.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I think this show only ran for three years. It seems like a lifetime.

[Adam Carolla]

I was walking. I had this weird realization where I was in Miami. I was with Jimmy. And we're walking down the street at night in Miami. And I was wearing a baseball hat. And I'd let my beard go three or four days. I was kind of scruffy with a baseball hat on. I was walking down the street and some guy drove past me. Like, honked the horn. Yeah, Adam Loveline. Yeah. And I was like, okay, that guy never seen me with a baseball hat on. Cause he's talking to MTV Loveline. I don't wear a baseball hat, and I'm shaved and I'm sitting down. But he knew. Like a human, but almost like an animal. Like Sort of the way I stood or walk. He didn't hear me, but how did he know? You know what I mean? And that's sort of the thing about humans.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I have some moments like that.

[Adam Carolla]

Sometimes there are those moments, right?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Thick gray beard and, you know, almost 60. And somebody comes up and, you know, says, stay gold. And I'm like, how the hell? How the hell.

[Adam Carolla]

So you grew up in the San Fernando Valley, right?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And your dad was a stuntman, which is a very San Fernando Valley, kind of back in the day job. And you grew up, you had some space, some horses and stuff like that, right?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Dirt bikes.

[Adam Carolla]

Dirt bikes, horses. A little. A little land.

[C. Thomas Howell]

We got dirty, man.

[Adam Carolla]

You were in the West Valley, right?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah, I was raised out in Agora.

[Adam Carolla]

That's far out, back in the day.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And then we kind of moved on out to Valencia before it became Santa Clarita.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. So the way the valley worked is it started with the city, with Hollywood and whatever, and then it spilled over the canyon and you got Toluca Lake and North Hollywood and Bob Hope buying a bunch of acreage in Toluca Lake and a golf course and stuff like that. But it eventually kept spreading and drifting out till you got to the Santa Clarita.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Well, if you wanted more property, you kept going either north or west.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So Agora was considered pretty far out there. And also I had to look at it through the lens of a family that didn't have cars that could make it that far without overheating and shit like that.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So you were raised in the Valley?

[Adam Carolla]

I raised in North Hollywood.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Right. But getting out, so that must have seemed far.

[Adam Carolla]

Getting out to Agora would have been a trek. And like I said, you get into a car now and it's got, you know, it's a Tesla and it's self driving, it's got climate control and shit like that.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Now it feels like nothing.

[Adam Carolla]

It feels like nothing. Then it was like the thing starts shimming at 55. You got retreads on the tires, it's overheating. You got to bring an extra and.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Would throw us in the back of an old Chevy pickup and he'd have a, you know, an Olympia in one hand and a Marlboro in the other. If you weren't in the back of the truck when you got there, too bad.

[Adam Carolla]

So what kind of films did your dad do stunt work on?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Gosh, you know, Planet of the Apes.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, wow.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Poseidon Adventure.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[C. Thomas Howell]

He was a stunt coordinator on Urban Cowboy.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow. Back in the day.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And here's a little fun fact, right? So I was 11 years old when he did Urban Cowboy in Houston. He brought me down to hang out with him for the summer. And there was a beautiful lady who was the dance choreographer named Patsy Swayze. And Patrick was working on the film full time. And he and I would hang out basically for the entire summer. He took care of me. And this was three years before we ever did a film together. And we went on to do three pictures together.

[Adam Carolla]

You got Red dawn, you got Rumble. Is Rumble fit? No.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Outsiders.

[Adam Carolla]

Outsiders. And what's the third?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Grandview usa. Jamie Lee Curtis.

[Adam Carolla]

So Swayze, who has that dance background and has the wife who was an instructor and his mom, I think, or maybe have done it.

[C. Thomas Howell]

That's amazing.

[Adam Carolla]

Is this his mom who's working on the film?

[C. Thomas Howell]

The mother? Patsy's an incredible choreographer. In fact, I literally just watched Dirty Dancing for the first time a week ago.

[Adam Carolla]

For the first time.

[C. Thomas Howell]

For the first time.

[Adam Carolla]

So, and Red dawn, you guys filmed in New Mexico, Colorado. Where the hell was that?

[C. Thomas Howell]

So we shot that in New Mexico. Here's another Swayze story for you. So on the, in the, in the original script, there was a love scene written between Jed, Patrick Swayze's character, and Tony, Jennifer Grey's character. And it was like a 5, 6 page, solid character developing scene for Jennifer Grey. And as we got into filming, Swayze started leaning away from it and saying, this doesn't make any sense to me. I, I, you know, we're running for our lives. We're starving, we're killing people. And now all of a sudden, I'm gonna duck over here behind this yucca tree and make love to Jennifer Grey, right? And he started campaigning to cut the scene. Well, she was fighting to do it. That was one of the reasons why she wanted to do the movie. It was, it was a major scene for her. Well, he ended up winning. The scene was cut, and we had about three weeks of shooting left. And she basically turned against him and they didn't speak for three weeks. And in fact, when we were doing press, she didn't want to do press with him. And, and she didn't really want to be a part of the Patrick Swayze bandwagon at all. Could you imagine? She was cast first in Dirty Dancing. Her father was the incredible Joel Gray, which, you know, an incredible dancer. She was cast first. And they spent weeks and weeks and weeks searching for Johnny Castle, the Patrick Swayze character. Could you imagine the look on her face when she got the call from the producers? We found your boy and your great friends. It's Patrick Swayze.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And that's just a testament to Patrick because, you know, he took lemons and made. Made lemonade. I watched that film. My, my, My wife was shocked. I had never seen it. So she put it on. And if, you know, for an 80s movie, it's damn good movie. And, and Swayze was fantastic in it. And that's really what kind of catapulted him into stardom. I think that picture really broke it for him.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I mean, you were there with young Tom Cruise and Sway and who else?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Rob Low, Rob Lowe, Matt Dillon and Ralph and Emilio.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. Ma Garrett. Leif Garrett was a soch.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Leif Garrett was a soch.

[Adam Carolla]

He was a soc.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Do you know Leif Garrett in the same year, I think it was in 78, packed the Astrodome twice in the same year. Over 60,000 butts in seats. Man, that guy was a big star. Back in the day.

[Adam Carolla]

Leif Garrett had a kind of tragic trajectory.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Leif Garrett. Now, it was a time, maybe I'm wrong, but Leif sort of made. Half his career was based on having the right hair at the right time.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Well, listen, back in the mid-70s, the guy was one of the most beautiful kids on the planet. I mean, he was hanging out with Brooke Shields.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Back when that mattered.

[Adam Carolla]

Leif Garrett was Tiger Beat, you know, pinup boy. Kind of back in that time when it's like, I don't know if you could sing or play an instrument or not, it didn't really much matter. You could pack the Astrodome for two nights because you're that big and they couldn't even hear you sing because they were just screaming the whole time. But Leif was the pinup boy and he had a song. Dawson, I was made for dancing. I was made for dancers. But again, I don't know if he wrote it or he played any instruments or anything. He was just kind of good looking front man.

[C. Thomas Howell]

But it was a gold record. I mean, and here's the thing, right? I think Leif came into the cast of the Outsiders late because of that. And Leif loved him some life, you know, he was, you know, not afraid to walk around with his own boombox playing his own music, you know, and it really created some. Some healthy resentment between the grocers and the socials.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, right.

[C. Thomas Howell]

It was genius casting.

[Adam Carolla]

No, you. You know what's weird? I worked on the movie Judgment Night. Millie Estevez was in there. Wow. By the way, Dennis Leary and a few guys like that. Right. And I wasn't an actor. I was a stand in. But we had the good guys and the Greasers and the Socials. There's always the good guys and there's the bad guys. And there was like five bad guys and five good guys in Judgment Night. They didn't like each other at all. They created this. This. This. This tension between them. They wouldn't sit together at meals. You know, there was some real shit going on. And they literally created what they were trying to do on screen, off screen on the set, which is an interesting kind of human condition, Right.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Which I don't think you could really do today because you get a phone call from hr, right. But back then, we were brought in a month early to begin rehearsing the Outsiders. And every weekend there would be extremely competitive events set up, whether it was basketball games, bowling nights, football at the park, and it would be the Greasers against the Socials.

[Adam Carolla]

And.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And, you know, by the time we started filming, it did two things. It. It really bonded the cast, right. And it really set us apart from, you know, there was a real us against them kind of a vibe.

[Adam Carolla]

Do you think Francis Ford Coppola was doing that on purpose?

[C. Thomas Howell]

He was the greatest psychologist ever.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, interesting. He.

[C. Thomas Howell]

He approached it and, you know, pulled the strings and manipulated all of us so geniusly. And, you know, we kind of needed that. We. And the first thing to go, mind you, in today's budgets and filmmaking, is rehearsal time. Nobody brings you in to rehearse anymore, but to spend a month together. We shot the entire film on videotape.

[Adam Carolla]

First.

[C. Thomas Howell]

First he cut it together, screened it for us. Um, and, you know, we had. It was all in good fun. Like, we didn't really dislike each other. The socias and the Greasers.

[Adam Carolla]

Who. Give me the greasers and the socias again, Rob. Well, I mean.

[C. Thomas Howell]

LAUGHTER now, these are the preppies.

[Adam Carolla]

These are preppies versus punks. Exactly. Right.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So Leif Garrett, Darren Dalton, Diane Lane.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, Diane Lane, the Amazing.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And then there were a bunch of locally cast side, social, side social players. And then, you know, the main cast of Patrick, Matt Dillon, Ralph Emilio, Tom Cruise, myself, and a couple of other smaller guys that would. Would, you know, pranks were a big part of the set.

[Adam Carolla]

Where. Where'd you guys film?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Tulsa, Oklahoma.

[Adam Carolla]

The. The thing about Leif Garrett, because I watched it behind the Music, he was riding high, literally driving a Porsche, pretty blitzed, had his best friend in the passenger seat and went off the Ventura Freeway and down the embankment, and his friend in the passenger seat got paralyzed. Terrible and is still paralyzed, I think, to this day, and was in the hospital. And he essentially sued Leif Garrett for putting him in this condition.

[C. Thomas Howell]

You know, Leif has had a tough go, you know, addiction.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Well, he lost his hair, which is the crazy thing, because.

[C. Thomas Howell]

But I will say this, a heart of gold. I mean, the guy. I saw him a few months back, he did.

[Adam Carolla]

Where'd you see him?

[C. Thomas Howell]

And literally, a heart of gold. I brought him up to Fresno where we had a screening of the Outsiders for the Stagold foundation, which is a foundation I started with my wife that helps us raise money to send books around the country, the world. And he came up and was a part of the event with us. And I have to say, just humble and kind and has been through hell.

[Adam Carolla]

Is he clean now, do you think?

[C. Thomas Howell]

I'm gonna venture to say as a betting man? I would bet no.

[Adam Carolla]

Is he working? Is he.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I know he just had a gig at the Whiskey.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[C. Thomas Howell]

So he's playing and apparently it was his last gig. You know, he's in his mid-60s, man, and it gets tougher.

[Adam Carolla]

So the thing that's interesting, I find. So in the 70s, the hair was a big part of your world. Now everyone listening now, I've said it a million times. It's never a better time for you and your hair. Cause you wear your hair however you want to wear your hair. You want a ponytail, you want a man bun, you want to go clean shaven, bald, it doesn't matter. You don't have to have one haircut. You do whatever you want. You had to have.

[C. Thomas Howell]

But you have to have filler, good hair.

[Adam Carolla]

And he had. Leif Garrett was all about the hair. And then I start. And then he started losing his hair. And now you got a problem because you made your bones on your hair and your hair's falling out. When you're 28 years old and you made your bones on your hair. So he had to start wearing bandanas everywhere. But you know who. The other guy who made his bones on his hair. Not all his bones, but the other guy was hair centric. Andre Agassi. Yes, Andre Agass.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Did he lose his hair?

[Adam Carolla]

He lost his hair at a young age, too. I gotta talk to my son. He had that mullet. Don't rely on that hair.

[C. Thomas Howell]

He had that mullet.

[Adam Carolla]

It'll go. Andre Agassi's hair went early. Leif Garrett's hair went early.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And they both had Brooke Shields.

[Adam Carolla]

And they both had Brooke Shields.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah. So maybe it's her fault.

[Adam Carolla]

Andre Agassi had to wear. You can look it up. Andre Agassi had to wear a hairpiece playing professional tennis.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Oh, could you imagine?

[Adam Carolla]

Could you imagine the hassle of having to put. Put your hair on? Not to mention it's the Phoenix Open in July. You know what I mean?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Why would you just go with a bandana?

[Adam Carolla]

You got glue dripping down the side of your head. I mean, because he. Now everyone would just go, look, if you're Michael Jordan and it's starting to thin out a little bit, or you're LeBron James or whatever, you just shave it and no one cares. But this is.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I don't even like hair dye. I mean, I'm good with the gray.

[Adam Carolla]

This is 20 years ago.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah, but I mean, who cares?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, nobody cares now, but they cared. Like Andre Agassi, his hair was going early, and that was his whole thing, was his hair and Leif's hair. And I don't know who's a more tragic hair character. I think Leif is a little more tragic because Andre could at least play tennis. You know, he had his game.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah. I couldn't see Leif taping on the hair, though.

[Adam Carolla]

No, Leif went with the bandana.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And then he did Loveline on mtv.

[C. Thomas Howell]

But I'll tell you something. Leif pulled in some beautiful women in his day, and the ladies loved him, even in the bandana for a long time.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, he got some use out of the bandana, too.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. I got nothing against Lave. He came on Loveline, was a little tough to interview, but it was weird.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Was he on time?

[Adam Carolla]

I think he was, but we would gang tape, so I can't remember, but Pam Anderson was the one who was always late. But I watched a Behind the Music thing, and his buddy, who was paralyzed, it was such a weird clip. His buddy was interviewing him. Hadn't seen lathe in 20 years, you know?

[C. Thomas Howell]

God, I couldn't imagine.

[Adam Carolla]

And he's like. He's like. I just don't get why he doesn't talk to me anymore. Like, he doesn't talk to me anymore. I don't get. That's the only thing I care about. I don't care about the accent. I don't care about the. I still got. He had the radio. He had the boombox, maybe the one Leith used on set. He said he gave me this when I was in the hospital. I still have it today, but I can't figure out why we don't talk anymore. And I was screaming at the TV set, because you sued him asshole. You sued. When you lawyer up and sue somebody, they don't hang out as much. They're a little less conversational.

[C. Thomas Howell]

What are you gonna do?

[Adam Carolla]

No, he had to sue him. That's fine. But you don't have to be confused as to why you are not talking.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Understood? That's pretty clear.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, that was clear to me. In 1990, Andre Agassi wore a lion's mane style wig during tennis matches to hide his baldness. So could you imagine wearing a big ass wig in the middle of a tennis match? Like, I'd rather play in cowboy boots than. I feel. I feel like it would hurt my game less if I put on cowboy boots than put on a giant wig and played.

[C. Thomas Howell]

It's pretty amazing.

[Adam Carolla]

Really. Yes.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And that I did not know. So I've learned that from you today.

[Adam Carolla]

So Leif had Brooke Shields as well? Yes. Well, is this inside Hollywood?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Well, I mean, I know that they dated. They were pretty tight. I can't give you details, but, you know, you know, Leif was one of the first ones. Like, he had his own special and some of his guests were Bob Hope and Brooke Shields and like, major, major people.

[Adam Carolla]

It was also an easier time back then when you just go, who's the best looking single young chick? Like, Brooke Shields. All right. I'm the best looking single young dude, Leif Garrett. Well, here we go. Like, let's just date.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Let's make it happen.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's make it happen. Like, I don't feel like.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Because back then, magazines kind of pushed everything, right? I mean, that's all. That's all we had. We just had magazines and, and, you know, paparazzi and photos and. And people writing whatever the hell they wanted was what really kind of drove people's careers back then. And then the occasional television appearance for, you know, today. It's so different now. So different.

[Adam Carolla]

It's so scattered. And also, I don't know that you could have a Leif Garrett anymore because I don't know if you could get enough people together.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah, correct. To follow.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, I always say it this way. If you go out on a beer run in Super Bowl Sunday in LA and you go hit the liquor store and you're driving down the street, you just see people walking around in the street and, like, looking around and stuff. You're like, we're in the middle of the super bowl here. People, it's like they don't even know it.

[C. Thomas Howell]

They don't care.

[Adam Carolla]

They don't know it and they don't care.

[C. Thomas Howell]

But back in the day everybody was.

[Adam Carolla]

Watching, everybody had to watch. We had three channels, right? We had to watch Billie Jean King play Bobby Riggs in tennis. You know, we had stuff. Now probably the closest they can get to that is like one of these stunt fights on Netflix or something where one of the brothers is going to fight Anthony Joshua or something like that. That's about as close as we get to what that was. And that's just utter garbage. I know. But it's as close as we'll get to getting a large group of people in front of what TV said.

[C. Thomas Howell]

To crime.

[Adam Carolla]

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[C. Thomas Howell]

Thank you so much for sitting down with me again.

[Adam Carolla]

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[C. Thomas Howell]

Do you think that October 7th gave.

[Adam Carolla]

People a sense of moral authority to.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Express their anti Semitism? The Dr. Phil podcast. Do you believe there will be a lasting peace in your lifetime? Available on your favorite podcast app.

[Adam Carolla]

Subscribe and follow. So you. Well, what. So you're. You're doing features. I mean, your first features. ET Yes. I was 13 and that's filmed not too far from where you live. Is that Simi Valley or Santa Clara?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah, Northridge.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, that's a new development, though.

[C. Thomas Howell]

That's correct. Back there in Northridge. Porter Ranch. That's that sort of area. So my father picks me up at school when I'm 13 and says, we're going to go meet somebody today named Steven Spielberg. And I didn't know who the hell that was. And he says, you have to know how to smoke a cigarette. And he hands me a pack of Marboros and some matches and says, figure this out on the way to the audition, right? So I walk in and there's like five guys. They all look like John Stamos with perfectly feathered hair and bright blue eyes. And I said, dad, you know, let's.

[Adam Carolla]

Get out of here.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I'm not. I'm not going to get this part. He goes, just wait. Just wait. So one by one, they all go in, and finally it's my turn. And I walk in and there's Spielberg and Frank Marshall and Kathleen Kennedy and. And the casting people in suits. And I'm sitting in a chair and he starts asking me some questions. And he's looking at my sort of mocked up resume. And he's, you know, notices my father's a stuntman and asks if I can ride the bike and hands me a page of dialogue. And we read that together and go, that's pretty good, kid. And he goes, how do you feel about smoking a cigarette? And I fish out my pack of Mar burros and stick a bent cigarette in my mouth and go to strike a match. He says, all right, kid, you got the part.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And I was. I was in ET did you have.

[Adam Carolla]

Any idea the scope scale? I mean, you could never really know how big something was gonna be while you're doing it.

[C. Thomas Howell]

You know, the interesting part about it was the security was off the charts. To this day, I've never seen or read an entire script. My pages would be handed to me the day.

[Adam Carolla]

So they were very careful back then.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Security badges for everybody, all the, you know, the moms, the dads, the crew members, everybody had to, you know, go through strict security process before you were allowed onto a set. So I had never experienced anything like that clearly before. But, you know, 40 years of being in the business, I haven't experienced anything like that after. So there was a sense that it was special. It was called A Boy's Life at the time.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, it was an E.T.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah. And look at that.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow. We're looking at Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So his wife, Melissa Matheson, wrote the screenplay.

[Adam Carolla]

Harrison Ford's wife wrote the screenplay to E.T.

[C. Thomas Howell]

He appears in the film as one of the teachers, briefly, during the frog dissecting sequence with Erica Laniac.

[Adam Carolla]

Erica Laniac, she plays the little girl.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I think her credit is Pretty Girl.

[Adam Carolla]

The blonde who ended up in Playboy.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Who ended up in Under Siege, I.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Think Baywatch, maybe even.

[Adam Carolla]

And Baywatch as well, jumped out of the cake in Under Siege.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Maybe in the credits of the Man Show.

[Adam Carolla]

Is she.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Maybe. I don't know. I just know the song.

[Adam Carolla]

I Would have known her, by the way. Wow. Erica Laniak is in that movie and Harrison Ford's in that movie. Correct? Pre. Well, obviously, I'm trying to think.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And there were rumors for a long time that.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, that would make sense. Well, no. Well, then there's Star Wars. Wait, Star wars was before ET Yes. So quite a bit. Harrison Ford did Star wars, so he.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Kind of the only connection there was the fact that his wife wrote this. Right.

[Adam Carolla]

So he's like, I'll stand here and do this. I don't care.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So, you know, it was. But he had done Raiders with him.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, right.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So Raiders was the film that I believe he did before ET and post.

[Adam Carolla]

Indiana Jones as well. Right. So he's a big star, but his wife wrote the screenplay. So it's like, I'll stay, I'll hang.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Out, I'll hang out. So they were friends. In fact, she was on the set of Raiders working on the screenplay of E.T. while they were shooting Raiders.

[Adam Carolla]

Interesting. And that's the way.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And by the way, Harrison is one of the coolest dudes on the planet.

[Adam Carolla]

By the way, I'm reading on my screen that a scene got cut and he was the principal, which is weird because I was thinking, God, I've seen that movie. I've never seen him in that movie.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I think there might be a shot of him, like, you know, passing through. But his, for the most part, it's pretty minor.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, the teacher that did a good job in a movie you were in that didn't get cut was in Red dawn at the very beginning when they're parachuting out, the big black guy, my friends, who was going over and he was talking about the Huns or he was talking about Genghis Khan or something. And it was a real good piece of acting because I think people think of acting as like, I love you, you love me, you're dying, you know, that kind of stuff. But he was a teacher who was teaching and distracted because he was seeing.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Something, these parachutes dropping.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's like a really good piece of acting because he's continuing with the lesson, but he's clearly distracted by what's going on outside the window. And I always thought that guy really. He really nailed that one little scene.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And the moment when he steps out to greet them and offer. Offer some sort of sense of guidance, and he just gets ripped apart by a machine gun.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, we're going to watch it right? We're going to watch it right now.

[C. Thomas Howell]

With the army spread out in a.

[Adam Carolla]

Semicircle I would say, about the size of Rhode Island. Then they would ride forward. Oh, yeah. Beast Men. Even bugs. Now, the ends would kind of close in to form a shrinking circle.

[C. Thomas Howell]

That's Darren Dalton, who was in the outside.

[Adam Carolla]

Panic to get out. So when the Mongols could see each other, they had worked themselves up into a pretty good frenzy. Now, when this killing started, it lasts for days, weeks, even months. Gonna watch the whole movie. And it went on until the young Son of the Khan. I bought this guy.

[C. Thomas Howell]

He's like a real history teacher.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Now he's getting distracted. There he goes. Be allowed to go free. Well, now, my friend. Well, now.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, check it out.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. Oh, but when you hear that music, something's up. Look pretty cool, though. Pretty soon we're gonna be pissing in a radiator step. Side four. Very unusual.

[C. Thomas Howell]

This is back when movies was. Were movies.

[Adam Carolla]

Eyes were movies, all right? I'll end up. I swear to God, I'll end up watching. Watching the whole movie. That's. That's the dangerous part of me.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And how about them trying to remake this movie?

[Adam Carolla]

You know, I.

[C. Thomas Howell]

How did that get past the first meeting? How did somebody say at mgm, I've got an idea, boss. Let's remake Red Dawn. And. And somebody said, that's a good idea. Let's have a. Let's have a meeting about that. You know, how did that happen?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, Hollywood, look. There's ip. There's, like, name recognition. Like, here's what I. Listen, all bets are off. They made Land of the Lost into a feature.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

I was like, Land of the Lost was the worst part of my childhood. That was the worst. Hanna Barbera. No, sorry, Sid. Marty Croft. That was the worst piece of art ever created, ever. Land of Lost was horrible. So when you do. And by the way, they did. They were trying to do Sigmund and Sea monsters. They tried to do everything. And what I would say to people is, I'd go, look, there's only two people on the planet. Two kinds of people. There's people who have never heard of Land of the Lost, and then there's people who've heard of it and think it's horrible. So I don't know what you're. What are you doing? Who are you appealing to? And they got Will Ferrell to star in Land of Lost. Now, here's the way Hollywood works. People heard of Land of the Lost, they didn't like it. They weren't nostalgic for it. They certainly. The movie was a piece of shit. It flopped. How Many Will Ferrell movies flop, by the way, where he's the star of the movie. But it flopped because no one wanted to see it. But they will remake anything. And then Red dawn, they couldn't find an enemy because they can't do Chinese. And they have to worry about who they're. Who the bad guy is because they're trying to get distributed.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Originally, they. They were Chinese who invaded America, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Then, right?

[C. Thomas Howell]

The suits got nervous about that, right? And turned them into North Koreans, which is ridiculous because I don't think North Korea could invade North Korea. But my point is, how the hell. Because it was branded already. I mean, it's not Spider Man.

[Adam Carolla]

People go with recognition. And I keep. There's a kind of thing like, look, they brought back the Badge Bugatti on an automobile 20 years ago or 15 years ago. They started making the Bugatti Veyron or whatever they made. The Bugatti came back. Bugatti was a great car from the 30s and the 40s and is worth millions of dollars. And you go, okay, that's a Bugatti. But no one wants to bring back the AMC Pacer because it was a piece of shit. And then people go, but you've heard of the AMC Pacer. And I'm like, I've heard of Bugatti. I've heard of AMC Pacer. One of them's great, the other's a piece of shit. So bring back the great.

[C. Thomas Howell]

But these remakes, sequels, whatever, I don't understand why the quality suffers. I mean, the red people ask me, did you watch the second Red Dun. You know, I got to the point to where they were running through the streets, being shot at, carrying pails of Coca Cola, and I was like, oh, okay.

[Adam Carolla]

But you're never gonna get further away than Jaws 1 and Jaws 2, and you'll.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Jaws 1 was one of my favorite films, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Jaws 2's horrible, right? So the closest is probably Godfather 1 and Godfather 2. Because you go, okay, two great films.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And then three.

[Adam Carolla]

And then three just collapses, right? But in the 1 and the 2 department, the closest that's probably the greatest is gonna be Godfather one. God. And the furthest is going to be Jaws.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I'd have to agree with that.

[Adam Carolla]

One and two, I'd have to agree with that. So the only part I liked about Red Dawn 2, which I could never fully figure out, is my buddy Tanner Faust was one of the stunt drivers on that. And they had a rig. I don't know if you've ever been in one of these. It's a newer technology, but everyone sits in the front cab of the truck. The actors and they, you know, camera car, they load it up with cameras.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And he's driving it from behind.

[Adam Carolla]

He's driving from behind? Yeah. And I'm like. It seems really weird. He's in a cage behind the car, like in the bed of the truck with some sort of hydraulics hooked up, pedals and, you know, gas, brake, and everything's all hooked up. And he's driving it through the neighborhood, popping up on the curbs, going by the oak tree, dropping back down the street, pop back. He's a stunt driver. He's a really good dude, by the way, and he's a really good driver. He's a stunt driver, and he knows the route. The actors, they just put in the truck, and they're at Autotopia, Disneyland. That steering wheel. Different times.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Because we just had Patrick Swayze doing it.

[Adam Carolla]

You just had Swayze doing it.

[C. Thomas Howell]

He was just doing it.

[Adam Carolla]

And now they ain't acting when they're acting scared as shit driving through that town. Because they are scared as shit because Tanner Foust is in the back driving the wheels off the truck. And they have no idea where they're going. All they know is they're heading at an oak tree. And Tanner, at the last second, you know, swings out. But it's kind of nuts that they drive from the back. But you. Swayze just.

[C. Thomas Howell]

We did it. We did it. You know, same thing with the Hitcher. I did almost all that driving.

[Adam Carolla]

Hitcher? I don't know. Underrated, Underappreciated. I don't know. One of the great horror movies of all time.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Rutger Hauerman.

[Adam Carolla]

Is he still alive?

[C. Thomas Howell]

He passed last year.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, last year?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Last year. Amazing human being.

[Adam Carolla]

What was. What. What now? And he was also. He was the blind swordsman. And I don't know what I did Rutger Hauer's IMDb, but he did a Blade Runner. Blade Runner is his biggest right.

[C. Thomas Howell]

It's huge, man.

[Adam Carolla]

So what? Tell me why he was a great guy.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So. Well, I'll. First of all, he just really took care of me personally. So three weeks into shooting, he basically alienated the entire cast and crew because of his, you know, impending, sort of fearful, bigger than life, really menacing Persona, to be honest. But he really went out of his way to take care of me. And I'll never forget, one day I was sitting. I was sitting in my chair reading the script, and he kind of leaned in my ear behind me, and he said, I think we should have lunch together today. And I hadn't spent much time with him, and I was like, oh, okay. You know, grab my tray, I go to his trailer, I go in, I sit down and start eating. And he's got some food in front of him, which he doesn't touch. And he's just chain smoking filterless Camel cigarettes and staring out the window. And nobody said a word, you know. And after about which felt like an eternity but probably 10 minutes, I muster up a little courage into my squeaky 17 year old voice and say, you know, Rutger, everybody says you're just, you know, you've got the monopoly on villains. What's your secret? I'm playing bad guys. And with that real thick Dutch accent, he leans into me and exhales right in my face and he says, I don't play bad guys. Which scared the holy hell out of me. And of course, I was too young to really understand what he meant by that. But jump ahead, 25 years later, I finally got an opportunity to play a serial killer on a show called Criminal Minds, where I played the reaper. And I started thinking about what he said. And I had lived life enough to kind of really understand what he meant and the fact that he. He was able to play a villain with a full round set of emotions. You know, when he stuck that knife into my eye and stared at me, he was filled with empathy and, you know, love and fear and all these things that a lot of, you know, lesser actors don't incorporate into their performances. So he had this knack for injecting humanity into his villains, and that becomes scary as hell when you start to watch it. But in real life, I think he enjoyed the fact that people were afraid of him. Yeah, and he kind of reveled in that a little bit.

[Adam Carolla]

I wonder how old he was when he passed away.

[C. Thomas Howell]

He was up there, man. But you know what? He smoked. He smoked every day. Patrick smoked, I think, you know, he said 1.50 60 cigarettes a day. And you know, that shit'll catch up to you, man.

[Adam Carolla]

50, 60. Yeah, that'll catch up to you. Yeah. I had the only experience. The only experience I ever had with Patrick was not. Was not a good one. 75 years old, I was at a restaurant. Rutger was 75, Rutger, 75. Patrick died earlier than that. But I was at a restaurant that I sort of part owned a little in Hollywood, Louisiana. Anyway, we were sitting there, me and a couple guys who enjoyed Red dawn. And you know, as much as I Did. And then there was also Roadhouse and everything else, you know, And Swayze went outside to smoke. There was a standing out on the sidewalk. And of course, we were all sitting there the whole time going, swayze, Swayze, Swayze. And so it was sort of like I was kind of elected, like, Adam, go talk to him. Get a picture, whatever. And I was like, why? I gotta. Well, he might recognize you. Otherwise, we'll just be bothering him, you know, and he's just out there smoking. And at a certain point, I just got up and I think we just, like, walked out to the sidewalk. We were smoking. And I sort of said, hey, Patrick, I'm Adam Carolla. And, you know, I just wanted to say I'm a fan, and these guys are fans, too. And he was like. He just did a thing where he just went, okay. And I went like, okay. I just wanted to say hi.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So it was awkward.

[Adam Carolla]

It was awkward. It was awkward. It was sort of tantamount to walking up to a woman at a bar and asking if you could buy her drink or sit down or something. And she just kind of. She didn't hit you over the head with a purse or anything. She just kind of went like, I'm good. You know, it was like kind of that where you kind of walk. You slunk back to your bar stool.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I think a lot of artists don't know how to respond in that moment.

[Adam Carolla]

Because Woody was a bad person. I was just kind of like. I wanted to. I wanted him. I wanted us to do a big red dawn hug or something, like. And I don't judge him, and I think he was a good guy and all that kind of stuff. I just. That was my only interaction with him. But you do have to be cognizant of it if you're a person, because people just have that one memory of you when they come up to you at the airport or wherever it is.

[C. Thomas Howell]

But here's the thing, right? People think that they know you and that you should know them because you've been in their living room on that television.

[Adam Carolla]

That's true.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So they feel like they know you. And, you know, I have no problem when somebody comes up to me and says something. In fact, I. I feel a little bit more like what you just mentioned. If I'm kind. If I could take a moment and take a picture with somebody or, you know, knuckle bump somebody, you know, I've just gained not one fan, but probably a dozen more.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Because that guy's going to tell everybody. Met that guy in the airport. Super cool dude, right? But I've heard these other stories where guys are just like, you know, what a douchebag, man. I'm not going to watch any more of his movies. And they tell everybody they know about.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, listen, I agree, too, actually. The fun thing to do if someone is a fan and they like you and you can tell they're a little nervous or something, is you overdo it the other way. I always go, oh, get in here. And I hug them real big and I freak them out a little bit, and then got a weird story. So it's kind of fun to do that. I'm looking down here, I see that you were an LBJ directed by Rob Reiner, who everyone loved, and we all know that story. Crazily. I don't know if you had any thoughts about Rob or working with him.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Or what that was like. My experience with him was phenomenal. Extremely professional. One of those guys that came on the set, knew what he wanted. You do eight. A long day was maybe nine or ten hours. You know, a lot of these Directors, you're there 17, 18 hours, treated me with the utmost respect. I'll never forget, I went into. I had to audition for the role and went in and read a part. And, you know, before I got back home, I got the call from the rep that said, you know, they're going.

[Adam Carolla]

To offer you this.

[C. Thomas Howell]

This part. And, you know, it was a smaller role, but it was important for me at the time. And he was a very important director at the time. And, you know, really just tragic when I. When I heard the news and nobody deserves to go out like that.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[C. Thomas Howell]

No matter. No matter who you are. But I look back on my career and there's people that I've worked with, whether it was Francis Ford Coppola or John Milius or Rob Reiner, Steven Spielberg. And these are the type of guys that really have helped me form a professionalism that. That you can't learn when, you know, you're a young kid on a Disney show where everybody is coddling you.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[C. Thomas Howell]

You know, there's nothing but bad habits to learn in that environment. So I feel really blessed to have worked with guys like that.

[Adam Carolla]

Sean did Rocky. Right?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Milius.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Oh, that was John Avnet, I believe.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, well, then Milius did.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Milius did Red Dawn.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, okay, right.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And then he did Conan.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, oh, he wrote Apocalypse Now.

[C. Thomas Howell]

He wrote Apocalypse.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right.

[C. Thomas Howell]

He wrote the famous Robert Shaw speech in Jaws about World War whatever when he goes off.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Do you know that Story. Yes, I mean the story of how that happened, how they filmed it. Yeah, well, tell it. Yeah, the ship that dropped off the parts for the atomic bomb got torpedoed on the way back. And because it was a secret mission, they didn't know they were in the.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Water and they were being eaten.

[Adam Carolla]

They were being eaten by sharks. Yeah.

[C. Thomas Howell]

One of my favorite moments in the film.

[Adam Carolla]

But you know, the filming part, story of it. So Robert Shaw, Indianapolis, but so Robert Shaw used to like to have a couple of drinks on the set or more. Or more. And when it came time to film that super pivotal scene, he was sloppy drunk by the time they got to.

[C. Thomas Howell]

That scene and still giving Dreyfus and Scheider acting class.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, he was a great, he was great. But he has this big pivotal scene and he's pretty shit faced by the time he gets to that scene and they shoot the scene and he basically goes back to his hotel room, passes out and then like the next morning, like gets up and goes to Spielberg or Milius or whoever and goes, listen, I got drunk and I made. There's no way that came out the way I wanted it to come out. Can we reshoot it? Can we redo it? Oh yeah. So. And they basically, he just says, look, I got drunk and I fucked it up, so let's do it again. Let's go again, let's go again. And I think he got less drunk.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And had a second go.

[Adam Carolla]

And had a second go. And that's the one that made fun.

[C. Thomas Howell]

You know those old school greats. I did a film called the Return of the Musketeers. And I played Oliver Reed's son, the late, great Oliver Reed. And he had recently been married to a much younger woman than he was. And part of his agreement for the marriage was that he would quit drinking. Well, I'll never forget, I get a phone call and it's like 10 o' clock in the morning. And he never called me by my real name. I don't think he ever knew my real name, but he called me boy. He says, boy, I need you to go down to the park and there's a gentleman in a long black leather coat. Buy me a ball of hash and meet me in my apartment.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow, what year is this?

[C. Thomas Howell]

What do you do? This was probably, I'd say 87ish. Return of the Musketeers.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[C. Thomas Howell]

88. 88. Because it was, I remember it was during the Olympics. And of course, without hesitation I went to the park and bought some hash and delivered it to, to the incredible.

[Adam Carolla]

It says here Oliver Reed died in the middle of a drinking contest with Royal Navy sailors in 1999.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Well, I think while filming the film with Russell Crowe, the Great Gladiator. Gladiator, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

He died during the filming of Gladiator?

[C. Thomas Howell]

I believe so, yes. Because they had to actually. Digitally insert shots of him to finish the picture.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, we can. You know, you think back on, like, when they were doing Fast and Furious and.

[C. Thomas Howell]

But this was back when men were men.

[Adam Carolla]

I know. What's his name died. They get his brother to, like, stub. But nowadays you die in the middle of a film, we'll replace you digitally. Right.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Well, you know. You know, I was speaking of the Return of the Musketeers. So I was actually in a scene when we were riding horses across a cobblestone bridge. And the amazing Roy Kinnear, who played Veruca Salt's father in the original Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Daddy, I want a golden goose now. He fell off his horse and was killed in that shot with you in it. I was in it, man. And. And it was hor. It was horrific.

[Adam Carolla]

He fell off and, like, hit his head or something.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Fell off. You know, he was extremely overweight, so he ruptured his intestines. And of course, we were in the middle of Toledo, Spain, hours from a decent hospital. By the time they got him to the hospital, he had passed.

[Adam Carolla]

And in the middle of the shoot.

[C. Thomas Howell]

In the middle of the shoot.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So here's. Here's the irony, right? He didn't. The night before I made him dinner, we were watching the Olympics, and he was extremely fearful about this. He hadn't been on a horse for 25 years.

[Adam Carolla]

And this is 89, by the way, the Return Musketeers.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So. So he. 25 years earlier, he was on a horse on the other Musketeer movie, and where he fell off and broke a leg.

[Adam Carolla]

Now, they had a first one that had Chamberlain. Richard Chamberlain. Michael York. Michael York, that's right. And I do believe that. Oh, God, what's. The beautiful. Raquel Welch was in it. It's very possible. See, if Raquel Welch was in the first one. I saw the first one in the theater. But this is the Return of Whatever. Yeah. So you make him dinner the night before.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So I make Roy Kinnear dinner the night before. And he's telling me, look, I really don't want to do this. And I've come from a horse background.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, right.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And, you know, there was a big thing made over the fact that they. They could just Double him and get away with the shot. And the director, who was his best.

[Adam Carolla]

Friend, mind you, Faye Dunaway and Ray. And Raquel Welch in the first one. Yeah.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So Dick Lester, Richard Lester, the director was one of his best friends and said, I really need you to do this. And of course, he was killed in that shot. Well, we had three or four more weeks of shooting to go. Everybody wanted to stop filming. And of course, they were capable of mimicking him and doubling him throughout the rest of the movie when they could have just doubled him for that one shot.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, always similar to, I don't know, Three Musketeers, those bridges that are cobblestone. There's like an arch going over the river and they're all. To the castle. Correct.

[C. Thomas Howell]

That's where it happened.

[Adam Carolla]

God. Dick Lester directed. The director. Director, Hard Day's Night.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah, sure, man. And. And the other one as well, I believe.

[Adam Carolla]

It just keeps. You know, it's so funny when you start tugging at the string of the Hollywood sweater and it just keeps going. It just.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And Roy Kinnear's son, Rory Kinnear, is an incredible actor in all the Bond movies and, you know, just. Just turned into, you know, an amazing artist himself.

[Adam Carolla]

I should plug, by the way, the movie you came here to talk about as well. I want to know, how does it. It's called One Mile and the sequel, One More Mile. It'll be in theaters February, this coming up soon.

[C. Thomas Howell]

That's correct.

[Adam Carolla]

In theaters. Only at the beginning it'll be in.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Theaters and then it'll go to streaming. And ironically, they. And I've never had this happen, but we shot two films back to back, and they were going. The plan originally was to release them individually, but for this particular run, they're going to, you know, you buy a ticket for one, you see both films in the theater.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So it's.

[Adam Carolla]

How'd this come about? Or how did you get involved with the project?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Gentleman named Aaron Kaplan, who came up with the idea with his daughter when they were traveling around the country, basically looking for a school for her to go to. I play the heavy in it. It's about a guy that's taking his daughter to go look at schools when his daughter is kidnapped. And, you know, I just got a call from. From Aaron's people and he said he. Aaron would really like you to read this script. In fact, there's going to be, you know, two of them back to back. And I read it and, man, whenever I get the chance to play the heavy, I mean, right.

[Adam Carolla]

I love it.

[C. Thomas Howell]

The bad guys, the role to have always. And so we kind of thought it was going to be distributed separately and an offshoot of Paramount, a company called Republic, I believe, is distributing it. And, and they fell in love with it and they said we're going to just release them simultaneously. And Ryan Felipe is the lead in it.

[Adam Carolla]

I like that. Good.

[C. Thomas Howell]

He's cool, man. Super cool guy. Good.

[Adam Carolla]

What's going on musically with you?

[C. Thomas Howell]

So I just released my second album. Damn good, man. You know, Covid hit. And I just decided that I'd follow a dream and I. I started writing songs and put a band together. And my, My second album is out right now. And it's something that I really am passionate about. You know, going from the two hour storytelling format to the two minute story telling format was pretty seamless for me and I enjoy it. It's a little, you know, managing a band is a little bit like taking, you know, a Girl Scout troop on a ski trip. It's. It can be, you know, it can be a challenge, but for the most part, the creative outlet, you know, getting up there on stage and. And performing is remarkable. And so, you know, we opened for Lynyrd Skynyrd.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[C. Thomas Howell]

We opened for Tanya Tucker, the Gatlin Brothers. I mean, we really had a good run. And this past year I've just been kind of focusing on film again in a club.

[Adam Carolla]

What club was I now? You guys don't know what. The club I was playing in Texas. Oh, the barn. The Big Red Barn now. Anyway, the Gatlin Brothers were coming in the next.

[C. Thomas Howell]

We had a hell of a moment with Olari on the show. When you came and did my show for me in Nashville, which I loved, by the way, you were fantastic. I don't know if you get enough credit for your standup and what you do, but the way, you know, the way your mind works. The ping pong ball game.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, that was fun.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Brilliant. If you ever get a chance to see this guy live, go do it, because it's worth every moment. And I don't say that because I just want to come and hang out on your show. Really was impressed by what you did, man.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, thanks, man. Well, I got shows coming up all over the place. Go to amcroll.com yeah, do si doe Big Barn. I think that's where I played. And the Gatlin Brothers were coming in the next weekend and it's so surreal. C. Thomas. Al, Always great.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Thank you, man.

[Adam Carolla]

Always great seeing my brother. We'll take a break. We'll come back with Alicia in the news right after. After this. Chime Chime is changing how people bank fee free banking. Built for regular folks just like you and me. Not like those old banks with nickel and diming you all the time. With overdraft and monthly fees. Chime's different. Get paid up to two days early with direct deposit access. Up to 500 bucks of your paycheck anytime with MyPay. No overdraft fees, no minimum balance, no monthly charges. I switched to Chime in minutes. It's easy to do. Easiest banking upgrade ever. You've never felt more in control of your money. And you can download Chime through the app. Download the Chime app today. That's the Chime app today. Bank smarter with Chime. Right, Dawson? Chime is not just smarter banking.

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[Adam Carolla]

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[C. Thomas Howell]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[C. Thomas Howell]

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[Adam Carolla]

See if you can guess which movie.

[C. Thomas Howell]

This famous line is from.

[Adam Carolla]

Wolverine.

[C. Thomas Howell]

If you said Red Dawn Wolverine, you're correct.

[Adam Carolla]

Now back to the show. You know what's always funny about Ozzy and all people that butcher the English language? I can say chupacabra. It's not an English thing. It's not. Yeah, it's not our word. But it's your word.

[Alicia Krause]

Quesadilla.

[Adam Carolla]

You call it that. I don't say quesadilla. I say quesadilla.

[Alicia Krause]

Sometimes I say quesadilla just because that's how what's his kit says it in Napoleon Dynamite or the Uncle. Which one was it? Was it Uncle Rico or Overrated?

[Adam Carolla]

Don't care. But I know what you're talking about. My last name is Carolla, not Corollo. Corolla. It's Corolla. And C. Thomas Howe is not. Doesn't end with a Y, it ends with two Ls, but it's HAL. So that's how they say, but you guys say quesadilla. And I go along with it because that's what you named it. And I don't go, fuck that, it's quesadillo. And then you go, what? And then someone jumps in and goes, that's how Adam says it, where he. No, no, you just change. I didn't name a Wolverine. That's not me. No one in my family named a Wolverine. I don't even know exactly who named a Wolverine. But that's what they're called. Wolverine. But you can say Wolverine.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah, I'm laughing over here because it reminds me of. I believe it was Kimmel's family. Someone in Kimmel's family who called the.

[Adam Carolla]

Movie Hannah and Her Sisters. That was his uncle. I think that was Vinnie, Jimmy's uncle. Or was. God, it could have been. Well, it could have been Uncle Frank, but such a New Yorker that Hannah and her sisters. He pronounced Hanner and her sisters, which is. I like when. That's. That. That was my. That was my. I'm gonna trade my sov in for a bobo. You took the two letters and you used them. But you can say them both. And listen, I don't think it's me being an ugly American to go, hey, speak English. That's fucking how it's pronounced. It's just pronounced this way. By the way. Once I toggle back and forth, like, I go, it's not. The car's called a Saab, not a Saav. A Saab. I just did it. I just went back and forth. You can do it.

[Alicia Krause]

RP Saab, by the way. They don't make it anymore.

[Adam Carolla]

No, they still probably make fighter jets or something. All right. It's the one year anniversary of the fire. I know, can't believe it. And somebody tweeted me a three minute little piece on it and I thought I would share that with you because it's interesting and then I'll add a little clarity to it.

[C. Thomas Howell]

One year after the Palisades fire, the.

[Adam Carolla]

Devastation in Malibu and the lack of progress is shocking. With only 22 building permits issued. For perspective, the city of LA has issued over 1300 permits in Pacific Palisades. Over 700 homes were destroyed in Malibu.

[C. Thomas Howell]

300 of them beachfront along Pacific Coast Highway. Malibu City Councilman Steve Uring is worried.

[Adam Carolla]

Wealthy developers will come in and combine lots, building 20,000 square foot homes.

[C. Thomas Howell]

A second or third home for someone.

[Adam Carolla]

Not homes for permanent residents. It's got to be a community that has a group of homeowners who live here, who are invested in the community, who participate in what goes on in the community, and that's what makes us a good city again.

[C. Thomas Howell]

So it's no surprise longtime Malibu residents.

[Adam Carolla]

Like Uring have concerns about what New Zealand billionaire brothers Matt and Nick Mowbray are up to.

[C. Thomas Howell]

They've purchased these 16 beachfront lots where.

[Adam Carolla]

They plan to build 16 prefab homes that are constructed at their company's factory.

[C. Thomas Howell]

In China and shipped here.

[Alicia Krause]

What's unique with our system, it's a fire safe system. Walls are made of.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, so hold on. So this guy's the director for the prefab building homes.

[Alicia Krause]

He does have the voice of a construction villain. Yeah, like somebody that would come in and take your home.

[Adam Carolla]

He's got a lot of die hard villain in his voice. You know what I mean?

[Alicia Krause]

9.

[Adam Carolla]

So first off, no one's gonna build a 20,000 square foot house on the beach.

[Alicia Krause]

Especially on those lots of.

[Adam Carolla]

They're 2,000 square foot homes and then there's a couple of big ones, but they max out at like 9 or 10. 20 is insane. But the guy, by the way, everyone stop exaggerating so much when you're telling the story because it makes me not believe you. But anyway, he doesn't want big homes built on double triple lots. Now these guys, if you buy a lot, these lots are small, and if they're spread out, they're spread out. But if you buy three in a row, then maybe you are fixing on putting a bigger Lot structure with this.

[Alicia Krause]

Some of those look like they were multiples in a row and then some one offs, too.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. So this guy's explaining that they build these things sort of fireproof, lightweight cement. They build them in China, they ship them, they're modular, and then they put them together. So go ahead, sir.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Which is a very lightweight concrete. The Mowbray brothers have spent summers in Malibu, and their team says it's a community. They love a community they want to rebuild. The prefab homes are luxury, high end homes that will look different and can be produced in four to six weeks.

[Adam Carolla]

The price of the homes will depend.

[C. Thomas Howell]

On the real estate market once they're complete. Because of the difficulties in building in Malibu with septic systems, a seawall, and all the site preparation needed before construction, the Mobres believe their company, Zuru Tech, is best suited for this project.

[Alicia Krause]

Our plan was to build one.

[Adam Carolla]

So you can pause it. So here's the thing that's kind of the rub, which is the house can be prefabbed and built in six weeks and shipped over. Stuff's getting fast now. And the prefab stuff, they're starting to figure it out now for like maybe.

[Alicia Krause]

An office or a sauna, not for like a whole entire house. That's crazy.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a lot of. There's a lot more modular companies now. And they're figuring it out and they're getting faster. Shipping's always expensive. Think about it. You have to ship a house, but they're gonna boat it over from China. Whatever.

[Alicia Krause]

But are we not concerned about all the chemicals and child labor that was used to make them in China? Just cheaper.

[Adam Carolla]

It's better. But the thing is the foundation. You can do all the prefab China built factory homes you want, ship them over here, but you still have to put them on a foundation that's approved by the Coastal Commission and those deputy inspectors. Deputy inspectors. And that is gonna require hundreds of yards of concrete and thousands of feet of rebar and $2.5 million and a very long, complicated, and expensive build. So you could take that house and set it on what we're looking at, which is tons of caissons and seawalls and great beams.

[Alicia Krause]

How much is that in that? Right. The infrastructure to just shore up a proper foundation. A couple million.

[Adam Carolla]

That's what I'm saying. 2.5.

[Alicia Krause]

Two and a half million.

[Adam Carolla]

Two and a half? Two. I'd say two to two and a half to build. We're flying the drone. Andrew's flying the drone over this New construction. Those things go down into the ground, four stories each. It's crazy. So as far as expediency and efficiency, you can do all that with your modular home in the factory, and you can be done in six weeks, but you aren't going to have a place to park them for a year. Engineering soils report, deputy inspectors, tons and tons.

[Alicia Krause]

I mean, well, unless they donate to Newsom.

[Adam Carolla]

Donate to Newsom? Maybe get a break. I mean, each concrete truck, a full concrete truck, holds nine yards of concrete. That's why they go the whole nine yards. I think it's from that. Oh, yeah. See what you learn?

[Alicia Krause]

Little euphemism, history there.

[Adam Carolla]

I always heard it was from sailing.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Because there is a yard arm. Three yard arms on three masts of a classic sailboat.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, look it up. Listen, it's old. It's an old thing. So maybe it predates the nine yards.

[Alicia Krause]

That go in, but in construction, it's for this man.

[Adam Carolla]

In construction, it's the whole nine yards. All right, we'll look it up. It sounds that way. So one of those cement trucks fills about half of one of those caisson holes. So each caisson you see has two trucks. So you know how much concrete they got in that place.

[Alicia Krause]

And that ain't cheap.

[Adam Carolla]

It ain't cheap, and it's insane. So anyway, there is no building in Malibu. There shall be no building. There's one site that's this site, the only one I've ever seen. And my prediction of permits, Good luck, Coastal Commission. Good luck. And you fucks ain't building anything. That I gave exactly one year and one day ago, I think have come to fruition.

[Alicia Krause]

Well, it's interesting that even in this local ABC News report, they're talking about 16 beachfront homes by 2029. So even prefabbing those homes, like you said, clearly their timeline is maybe taking into consideration all the things that you've laid out.

[Adam Carolla]

If you didn't have to do the whole seawall and the whole Coastal Commission thing, you could have that shit up and running by this summer.

[Alicia Krause]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

But they're not going to let you do that. These guys have been slaving away at this one foundation on this one site for months and months and months. Because if you think about the effort, you got to get a caisson rig in there. You have to drill all the holes. I mean, it's great. The whole nine yards has no clear origin, but the popular theories, cement mixers and WW2ammo belts, 27ft long.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Also, how they sold cloth 9 yards of cloth for garments 9 yards long.

[Adam Carolla]

Where the hell does sailing thing come from?

[C. Thomas Howell]

I had heard it sounded like a.

[Adam Carolla]

You bring up sailing, everyone will go, I buy it. Yeah, I buy it.

[Alicia Krause]

Nobody understands it.

[Adam Carolla]

You know how that's an old mariners. You just say old mariner thing and I'm down with anything.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Come on.

[Adam Carolla]

My grandfather was a merchant marine. We know this. He did the wet ass pussy. He told me about that. But was. It goes way back. I had heard that sailboats have, you know, some old ones have three masts every yard arm.

[C. Thomas Howell]

And there are three yard arms. And if you're going at full speed with full wind, you have the whole nine yards.

[Alicia Krause]

And most things that we say today are like hundreds of years old.

[C. Thomas Howell]

But that's not on the Internet.

[Alicia Krause]

No, but like, I would have believed that over Adam. Sorry, Adam. Because most of the euphemisms and like phrases that we use like that are over 100 years old.

[Adam Carolla]

Did you know that when Snoop Dogg does these nuts, that's an old time mariner? Yes, it is. Yes. All right. Sorry.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yo ho ho and all these nuts.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes, actually, it is on the Internet. The yards is the yard arms. The sale thing is on the same page. Yeah, I like that. Snoop Dogg was 47 and a half when he became enamored with the deez nuts. Like, it's not like he was his junior year of high school. Snoop Dogg got into the deez nuts things when he was his mid-40s. He thought it'd be a good idea to work that into every conversation. All right, so there may be prefab homes, but there will be no place to put them. That was my. For a while, a long while, my argument was never can people build houses? People can frame up and build a house fast. It's what about the foundation and what are they gonna let you do? And the answer is not much. I'll have a big. Should have a big episode, a big vlog coming out in the next day or so. That'll cover all this stuff.

[Alicia Krause]

I mean, it's really weird how it seems like forever ago and then yesterday all at the same time.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I think that's an old. I think that means we're getting old.

[Alicia Krause]

That means we're getting old. But it also just. It also felt like the fires just went on forever. And maybe it's cause we had two different rounds of refugees at my house during the time. Oh, yeah. Like, friends had to bring their pets and their belongings and their kids and, you know, school was shut down. And my 12 year old at the time, she was like, this is a bigger deal than Covid.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah.

[Alicia Krause]

I think for the kids. Even though Covid was lasted longer for all of the city people that, you know, personally, professionally, like, you know, our church, our community and our school, like every. At every level, professionally, every level, people were affected.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Alicia Krause]

And now these people are still affected. They just had to go through the holidays, not in their homes. Most of them not even being able to have permits to rebuild their homes. If they can afford to rebuild their homes.

[Adam Carolla]

They said 22 permits in Malibu out of 700.

[Alicia Krause]

And then you notice how they said 1300 for LA County.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Alicia Krause]

But Altadena is able to push them out way better than Karen Bass and the Palisades are. So now we're not out of the 12,000 structures lost. We're celebrating 2, 1300.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, here's the deal. You have Karen Bass, who has no interest in this stuff. And I will say this. I know you don't like me bashing.

[Alicia Krause]

On women, but no, I'm an equal opportunity basher. I don't like the use of the B word when you bash on women.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, that bitch. Here's my experience with women. It's hard to get them interested in stuff they're not interested in.

[Alicia Krause]

Now, I would say that's most politicians across the board, but hold on, I've.

[Adam Carolla]

Said it a million times. I am more than willing to watch any documentary I'll watch 20ft from Stardom or whatever about black backup singers in Motown or something like that. I will watch any doc, any woman I've ever been with. I'm like, we watched a Carroll Shelby doc and they go, I'm not watching a car doc. I'm not into. You know, they announced they're not into something. I'm not going to watch it. You know, I don't do it. I think guys are a little more. Less rigid in what they'll watch. Little less. Not. By and large. Karen Bass likes dancing in Ghana. She's not into permits and seawalls and engineering and doing her. She's not interested in this. And I just think it's not her thing. Her thing is I'm fighting ice. She has an interest in fighting the federal government or she. In her world, she was put here to stand up to ice, not find you a permit, and she's not interested. And there's nothing more powerful than not interested.

[Alicia Krause]

I feel like everybody, no matter what level of office they're in, and some people on the right are guilty of this too. It's like they're trying to put themselves on par with the President. You could be a city council person here in la and it's like, well, my fight's against Donald Trump, right?

[Adam Carolla]

I'm gonna stand.

[Alicia Krause]

No, Your job is to actually keep drug dealers off of the streets and make sure there's no needles at the local playground so I can safely take my kids there.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. And I'm glad you've anointed yourself a warrior to fight the President of the United States, but there's a pothole issue in front of my house and I want you to focus on that.

[Alicia Krause]

An old lady just tripped on that tree root on the sidewalk, right?

[Adam Carolla]

And I know that's not fighting Donald Trump, but it doesn't make you seem like a hero. But Trump doesn't know who you are and he doesn't give a shit. And you're not gonna do anything. And you can yell, not on my watch as much as you want. But meanwhile, did you let the city burn? Yeah. Mrs. Beasley broke her hip walking across the sidewalk because the tree root. Because you guys never got around to fixing the sidewalk. So just focus on the boring shit. And that's another issue. I don't think they want to do the boring shit. They want to fight for it.

[Alicia Krause]

They don't want to clear out the 40,000 acres of brush.

[Adam Carolla]

Right? That's boring shit.

[Alicia Krause]

They don't want to.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, Karen Bass wants to fight Trump and fight ice and stand up and be brave and never sit down and have her voice heard, but she doesn't want a clear brush. Boring. That's a problem in government, local. Oh, oh, oh, O'Reilly Auto Parts. Yeah, love me some O'Reilly Auto Parts. They keep your car on the road. They've got friendly people who work there. The staff is all friendly and they know cars, not just reading boxes back to you. They actually know the parts, the stuff that's in the box. I've gone there plenty of times, thought I needed one thing, needed something else to get the fix right. But you people that like turning wrenches and working on your cars, you go to O'Reilly, but you can get your battery tested there too. By the way, in or out of the car. So you don't have to go to one of these places, even if you're clueless. You can go in there. You'll find the people who work there are knowledgeable and they're friendly as well. It is a one stop shop for DIY work and you'll find what you need in store or online at O'Reilly. Right. Dawson stop by O'Reilly Auto Parts today.

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[Alicia Krause]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[C. Thomas Howell]

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[Adam Carolla]

All right, what's the stories?

[Alicia Krause]

One of the many problems in government. All right, well, here's a disturbing story of the day. Also here in California, a trans gym goer was caught masturbating in a women's bathroom at a California Planet Fitness just outside of San Francisco. Apparently, this happened last May, but the footage only exploded online over the weekend. The clip was Originally posted to TikTok and shows the shadow of an unidentified person appearing to perform a sex act on themselves. And the young woman who posted it alerted the front desk staff at the time, but the employees didn't know how to handle the situation. Her boyfriend eventually stepped in to confront the trans gym goer and she addressing the saga, she said it took her so long to post this and she now regrets not doing more at the time and posting it.

[Adam Carolla]

She's in the ladies room.

[Alicia Krause]

She's in the ladies locker room, slash, bathroom at the gym.

[Adam Carolla]

All right.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, God, there's video.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, it's a shadow. Kind of interesting the way the lighting works because you could, you think the guy. I can't was just on the pot. But you can see the Austin Power shadow move on there where he's just.

[Alicia Krause]

Tugging on it in a women's locker room.

[Adam Carolla]

So it's the shadow on the floor and he's sitting on the pot and he's.

[Alicia Krause]

I didn't know they're like we were actually gonna show the video.

[Adam Carolla]

He's going at it. So now they're trying to kick him. They're trying to get him out of there.

[Alicia Krause]

It looks like the staff showed up.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, you can pause it for a second. Let me just say this. As I've told you many times, the the part of society where we're gonna kind of just go on the honor system, it's so far down the road, we can't even do that anymore.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, no.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, no. And every single time we go, look, here's our policy. If a man says he's a woman, he may then Use. Sorry. No more. No more. Yeah, no, it would have been nice if we could do it, but we can't do it, so no more.

[Alicia Krause]

This is a form of sexual harassment. I mean, so this dude goes into the ladies locker room, is looking at all these hotties and is, you know, excited about it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, who's not gonna take advantage of that as a dude steps into a.

[Alicia Krause]

Stall to finish his business. It is so gross and violative on so many levels. This poor girl apparent. I think there's video of her boyfriend, like, confronting the guy, too. He. I mean, the boyfriend, like, kudos to him, did way more than the dumb employees at this place.

[Adam Carolla]

Dawson, you remember that time I was sitting here between Brian and Gina and this happened at the Wii Spa, essentially. And yes, they had their theories about what happened. It's a fairly insane show, right? Yeah. Gina said it never happened, which was a weird angle. Now, I don't think she wanted it to happen, but her angle was it never happened.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Like a hoax?

[Adam Carolla]

No, no, it's not typical. Her thing was it just didn't. Yeah, hoax. Well, hoax. And that. It did never happen. And then Brian's thing is it was a Canon camera thing. It was a jackass thing.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, I remember just sitting in between the two of them going, what this? They're both the weirdest, craziest theories I've ever heard in my life.

[Alicia Krause]

One, the one that, like, it was the mom with her, like, previewed best. And daughters too. They like.

[Adam Carolla]

It was the same lady that asked Swalwell. Yeah, yeah. It was just this black woman who's like, there's a guy with a dick in my thing I'm not in. And.

[Alicia Krause]

Well, there was that other story here.

[Adam Carolla]

In la, and I was like, he's a weirdo who's exposing himself. And Brian and G were like, no, what? You know.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yeah, Brian didn't think it was a joke.

[Alicia Krause]

Did you guys see?

[Adam Carolla]

Gina said it never happened. Which, by the way, in her mind, did we have the video at that time. Yeah, we did. The thing about Gina is she's a fan of these people. So in her world, it didn't happen. But that's not good journalism. Just because you like the trans community.

[Alicia Krause]

Or good truth telling. Yes, you want to get to the truth.

[Adam Carolla]

So we got into trouble with COVID People just made up their own.

[Alicia Krause]

Well, and if we're for protecting and me too. Ing and yes, all womening, then when a woman says, hey, I'm uncomfortable with this man pulling his dick out in a female locker room, shouldn't we side with the woman in that scenario?

[Adam Carolla]

You know, we're getting very confused about a lot of this stuff. All the people that are pro women's rights are also pro Palestine, you know.

[Alicia Krause]

And it's like completely ignoring the bravery of the women in Iran during their hijabs. Off. Off their heads.

[Adam Carolla]

We're pro gay rights. We're pro Palestine as well. Like, they're really starting to get confused on that side of the aisle.

[Alicia Krause]

I mean, we. I think we talked about on the show before, but right here in la, Tish Hyman, a black lesbian woman who. She was kicked out of the Gold's Gym. That's right after she said, hey, there's this guy in there. And he's being really aggressive. And when I asked him what he was doing, he threatened to attack me.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Alicia Krause]

I mean, and. But no, now the left isn't siding with the person of color. That also is a part of the LGBTQ flag. It's insanity.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm told there's more on the vid. That's funny.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, God.

[Adam Carolla]

You were really comfortable touching your shit, bro. I literally saw your shadow, bro. Like, come on. Listen. You saw my shadow?

[C. Thomas Howell]

That doesn't mean anything.

[Alicia Krause]

That sounds like a man.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I was getting myself together, so I don't understand.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, Paul.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah, okay, pal.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, pal.

[Alicia Krause]

Whatever you say.

[Adam Carolla]

Come on, baby. No, no. Let's go.

[Alicia Krause]

So that's her boyfriend.

[Adam Carolla]

Our society. I feel sorry for everyone who works anywhere anymore because everything's. Everyone's nuts. Already talked to her about him being here because people have a problem with me being here, and that's why I've been waiting. Yeah, bro. We have a video of what you were doing, bro.

[C. Thomas Howell]

The shadow says it all.

[Adam Carolla]

Don't act.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Don't act.

[Adam Carolla]

Only the shadow knows video.

[C. Thomas Howell]

I was on FaceTime watching you, bro. That's crazy work, bro. You're in the female's locker room beating your dick. Come on, bro.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on a second. I. I'm always envious.

[Alicia Krause]

Poor employee that's just standing there, not sure what to do.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm envious of the guys who talk like nine year olds talk. Or they just lay it all. They just keep talking, bro. Bro, you're in a bathroom stall beating your own dick. Okay, bro, I. FaceTime. And I saw the shadow, okay? And while I was being FaceTime, you were doing cocktime. Okay, bro. So we know. It's like, I'm just gonna say, I will narrate life. I don't know. I'm more. Who are you more jealous of those Guys or the chicks on the airplane, when the TSA security guy and the cops, like, confront the guy in the seat, you have to leave, or we're gonna take you off this flight. And at some point, after 20 minutes, they go, all right, here we go. And they grab the guy and they start pulling him. And you always hear that one woman, yellow, what's going on? What do you mean, what's going on? You've been watching this scene play out for 40 minutes. You of all people know what's going on. I don't. I'm at home. But you're four seats behind a guy who's been asked to leave the plane 28 times.

[Alicia Krause]

I have no idea.

[Adam Carolla]

And now they've grabbed him, and you have to yell what's going on? Out loud. Alicia, what Bay Area city was this in?

[Alicia Krause]

It did. Just said a Planet Fitness just outside of San Francisco. Did not give a name of the location. The Concord area. I don't know how many.

[C. Thomas Howell]

It's called Concord, and that's where I grew up.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah. So there. I guess there's a Planet Fitness.

[Alicia Krause]

It's like saying San Pedro. Instead of San Pedro, you have to say conquered.

[Adam Carolla]

Conquered. That's the way it is. I think the trans guy tugging his nub has a. Has a. He could talk to Gargos, but I think there's a class action. Not a class action, but he's got a lawsuit.

[Alicia Krause]

It's probably a hate crime that she recorded it because he is a transgender.

[Adam Carolla]

What about the lighting contractor, right? Who does all the lights with those can lights right above the commode, which accentuate a guy. A woman tugging his hog.

[Alicia Krause]

I wish that this girl that posted this to TikTok, though, had posted the. The. What you call it, like, the postmortem.

[Adam Carolla]

No.

[Alicia Krause]

You know, it has her words up there. Why am I looking closed captions for what? The trans.

[Adam Carolla]

Sure would be nice to know what they say, you know, because he was.

[Alicia Krause]

Griping about like, oh, well, people don't want me here.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah, If.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah, people don't want you here.

[C. Thomas Howell]

If this happened in London, they would immediately rest the guy who mentioned the shadow because he kept saying, bro, Bro.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, keep it going. I want to hear what else he says.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Your dick. Come on, bro. That is some weird ass. Doesn't matter who you are. That's inappropriate to be doing with females around. As a nut. Listen, as somebody with a penis, I'm not gonna walk into the women's bathroom and jack my bro. It doesn't matter.

[Adam Carolla]

I love this Guy. Or if I'm trans. That is so inappropriate.

[C. Thomas Howell]

That is far beyond the lines, bro. Say what you want. I was in the stall, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Hey, nobody's gonna hurt you, bro.

[Alicia Krause]

Nobody's gonna hurt you. It's a man in the stall.

[C. Thomas Howell]

It is inappropriate. Do that at home. Don't go be in a public place, bro. If you go to the Taco Bell bathroom in Jack.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on a second. I'm in love with this guy because he overstates the bro you beat off at home, okay, bro? You don't go to Jack in the Box, bro. And stand in line ready to get. Have the two tacos for 99 cents, bro. And you stand in line and you're beating off, bro. That's not where you do it, bro. I got kids, okay, bro? It's not okay to go into a place with women and tug on your own hog, okay, bro? So listen to me. It's never okay to take your hog and take it to a public space, bro. I've been to a Taco Bell, bro. I didn't see anyone beaten off, okay, bro. Now you do that at home. I.

[Alicia Krause]

This is why Democrats lost, by the way. Because you had this guy.

[Adam Carolla]

They fought for this. This is what they fought for. This is what they fought for.

[Alicia Krause]

The bro guy, the brave boyfriend that we're in love with right now, is such an average dude that can see the insanity of this right in front of his face and see how it violated his girlfriend and all of the other women in that bathroom and is actually doing the chivalrous thing by calling the shit out of as the gym does nothing.

[Adam Carolla]

I know that somebody in the Democratic Party eight years ago should have went, we're not gonna fucking defend this shit. We look like idiots. Nobody's for this shit. Knock it off. What about the black vote? Yeah, they don't like this shit and neither the Latino vote. So those are your constituencies, so fucking knock it off. You look like asshole.

[Alicia Krause]

I mean, I'm sure it's.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but what about the lgbt? Okay, you're not saying men can't get married. We're just saying none of this.

[Alicia Krause]

That there has been a lot of weird incidents in Taco Bell bathrooms given the product. Allegedly.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, let's keep going. Let's see if there's more talk. I like this place, bro.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Do you go to the Taco Bell bathroom in Jack off, bro? What the is wrong with you, bro? Right? Minors like. It does not.

[Alicia Krause]

He's not even saying it didn't happen. I know you're in the women's bathroom.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Doesn'T matter if you're allowed to be in here. You're not allowed to jerk off in here, bro. That is so weird, Bro. We have video proof. Are you allowed to video people in the spa?

[Adam Carolla]

No. So why are you? It doesn't matter.

[C. Thomas Howell]

You are a male in the female bathroom jerking your penis, bro. It does not matter. You have a penis and you are jerking off in the female bathroom.

[Adam Carolla]

I was not drinking off.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Yes, you were. We have a video of it, bro. I was on FaceTime.

[Alicia Krause]

What were you doing?

[Adam Carolla]

What were you doing? What were you doing? I was trying to get a golf ball out of a sock.

[Alicia Krause]

He was drying off how many minutes?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Oh, so that was you in the shower, right? I was in the shower.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Right, bro, let's be on some real right now, bro. And you're saying that I had to do something wrong? Yes, you were.

[Adam Carolla]

I got one of those shake weights from the rack.

[Alicia Krause]

It's all right.

[Adam Carolla]

We.

[C. Thomas Howell]

We got you on camera like you're.

[Adam Carolla]

In the women's bathroom jerking off. That's.

[Alicia Krause]

It's good. The manager will handle it.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Maybe the cops, however.

[Adam Carolla]

Hold on a second. And somewhere, not too far away. This guy is, I don't know, 27. I don't know what he is. Let's just call him 25. 27. Whatever. His parents are alive.

[Alicia Krause]

Oh, God.

[Adam Carolla]

His parents could be in their mid-40s, could be 52 years old at some point. Mom's in the kitchen, you know, cooking up dinner. Dad sitting at the computer. Sharon, I want you to come in. No, Sharon's the. Well, maybe. I don't know. I don't think he. He could live at home. He could.

[Alicia Krause]

That's the narrative, I'm telling you.

[Adam Carolla]

Sharon, come in. Come in here. I gotta show you something. It's about Todd. Hey, what's up, dad? Oh, wait a minute. We're gonna see, now you got. I'm calling the. I said his parents. His parents are his parents. And I tried to do a thing where the dad was sitting at the computer and the mom was in the kitchen. And then the dad called the mom.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Oh, called the mom.

[Adam Carolla]

I thought he was calling the kid. He still lives at home.

[Alicia Krause]

You were saying, Jared. That's why.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, look, anytime I ruin it, and the dad's sitting at the computer and the mom's in the kitchen and the dad shouts out, sharon, come in here. And then you yell, he lives at home. And then Dawson does the voice of the child, and now we're off and running. All right, the Point is, the parents had to come across this at some point. Right?

[Alicia Krause]

You think like, a neighbor saw it?

[Adam Carolla]

No, I bet that dad saw it and was looking at the guy tugging his pud in the shadow puppet and was laughing at the beginning of this fucking guy. Look at this freak show get in here. You gotta check this out. This is fucking sad. Look at the shadow. Look at the shadow. Probably forward it to a couple friends, and at some point, his son steps out. He's like, yeah, you remember that you're not planted fist and fitness up the street. Yeah. You'll never believe what happened here. You gotta see this. Yeah. So the dad probably saw the first 90 seconds of it in the shadow beat and had no idea what was going on. And then his son stepped out of the stall because you couldn't think it was your son. And also, he doesn't really look like a gym rat. He looks like the kind of guy who wants to go hang out in the bathroom. Right. Which is the problem. I mean, I want a Jim gerbil.

[Alicia Krause]

I mean, this guy showered there, right? And then went to this doll.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Ugh.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, we need just the last 10 seconds here. Sorry. I want to hear this guy say, bro, how they handle it?

[Alicia Krause]

It's good.

[C. Thomas Howell]

It's fine.

[Adam Carolla]

Let's go, babe.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Have a blessed night, you guys.

[Adam Carolla]

Blessed. I think it's a little late for that. Blessed. Blessed.

[Alicia Krause]

I wonder how all the other women in that locker room felt. Cause, like, at one point, you can hear multiple female voices that were like, what the heck?

[C. Thomas Howell]

Like, I was trying to bless the stall.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right. Little holy water. All right, what else?

[Alicia Krause]

All right, well, Michael Rappaport says he's running for mayor of New York City.

[Adam Carolla]

Good for him.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah. Obviously, he has had a lot of verbal and public opposition to New York City's new mayor, Zoran Mamdani, and he's decided to run to replace him, the masked singer, star, and podcaster himself. Welcome, listeners, to the latest episode of his podcast on Monday by rattling off that he plans on running. He said that 2025 was crazy. And I don't see it getting any effing calmer or cooler in 2026, the way things started. That's why I'm running for mayor. And we have video of it.

[Adam Carolla]

Special announcement. I am Rapport Stereo Podcast. I, Michael Rapoport, will be running for.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Mayor of New York City in 2029. You got Zoron the moron now. But have no fear, Mayor Rapoport will be here.

[Adam Carolla]

You like them apples?

[C. Thomas Howell]

How does that Roll off your tongue. Mayor Rapoport. Born and raised in New York City. Born and raised in New York. Born and raised. I came out of my mother's womb, New York Hospital.

[Adam Carolla]

You cannot come out of your mother's womb. Beating off, bro. Bro, I FaceTimed you, bro. We beat you beating off in a crib, bro.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Okay, I will do my best to make New York City safe, affordable, and thriving, but I every, every single time.

[Adam Carolla]

I make a mistake, I will acknowledge.

[C. Thomas Howell]

It, I will apologize, and I won't do with a shit eating grin, okay?

[Adam Carolla]

I'm gonna be the best mayor for.

[C. Thomas Howell]

New York City, for the people of New.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, I'll vote for him. I like rapport. We got it.

[Alicia Krause]

I like him too. Honestly, though, his rhyming at the beginning reminded me of our buddy Curtis Lewa. I was like, wow. Obviously it's in 2029, so we got a little bit. He's got some time to fundraise and plan and get out there and try to earn some votes.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, what else we got?

[Alicia Krause]

All right, so we have an image here that President Trump in the White House tweeted earlier today about the CDC slashing childhood vaccine schedules in an unprecedented overhaul following the Pand trust issues.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, Trump's gift is getting people who disagree with him to flip flop and go the opposite direction of everything they've ever talked about. They all hated Big Pharma. They all hated big government.

[Alicia Krause]

They wanted to be more European.

[Adam Carolla]

They hated the FBI. They didn't trust the CIA. That's all the left was. And all Trump had to do with, basically all Trump had to do with lifelong Dodger fans. Lifelong Dodger fans go, you know what? I think I like the Dodgers now. And they went, we're all gonna support the Giants. And you got them to do the opposite of what they've done their whole life. They all love the cdc. They all love. They worship Fauci, and they all want Big Pharma to inject their kids with 72 injections before their second birthday.

[Alicia Krause]

So the average European country, as this graph shows, has 11 injections, I think, before 24 months in the United States, or maybe this is before 4 years old, has 72. The assessment was examined with members of the CDC and the Deputy of Health and Human Services, Jim O', Neill, and the acting CDC director about childhood immunization practices in 20 peer developed nations, most of them in European countries.

[Adam Carolla]

Here's the thing about all forms of whatever, because they do this all the time. Are you an expert? Hey, JFK Jr. You're not a doctor. Okay, listen to me. We're all experts in one way or another because we all have common sense. If nobody got all these vaccines a short period of time ago and everyone was thin and healthy and not allergic to peanuts and didn't have autism, and now everyone's allergic to peanuts and is on the spectrum of Asperger's and autism, then maybe some of these injections are causing problems. But maybe, just maybe, the average human being doesn't need 72 injections before their second birthday. You don't have to be an expert to have that thought.

[Alicia Krause]

Well, and it's funny, is once again, leftist countries that say that we should be more like other socialist nations. Other socialist nations around the world with an international consensus that strengthening transparency and informed consent and having fewer vaccinations actually increases vaccination rates, which is kind of fascinating. That's what their studies showed, is that the assessment concluded that the United States does not achieve higher vaccination rates than countries with recommended fewer vaccines.

[Adam Carolla]

What does that mean?

[Alicia Krause]

So I think that, like, the fewer vaccines you're telling a new mom to get for her baby, she's like, okay, cool. But when you're like, yo, within the first six weeks, here's all the shots we're giving your kid vitamin K and hep B and, you know, all these things, it's a little overwhelming. And moms tend to say no.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, I get it.

[Alicia Krause]

So, like in the United States, even though we have more vaccines available to people, people don't opt for them as much as they do in other countries.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, well, look after Covid. Sorry, no more experts. Don't believe anyone with anything. I don't. You guys all lied. And now cdc, I just assume, is a corrupt organization.

[Alicia Krause]

There's so many recommended vaccines for children. I mean, and a lot of them make a ton of sense, right? Like measles, moms, rubella, polio, et cetera. Right. And even NPR had to admit this morning they were very upset about this when I listened to up first, but they admitted that all CDC recommended vaccines will remain fully covered by insurance without cost sharing.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I mean, look, the natural immunity part, which they didn't want you to get into during. COVID there's a big problem. The problem is our body needs to be stress tested a little. We need some pushback. Our immune system needs to fire up and fight. You know, and I've had it happen always in my life because I'm the never go to the hospital guy. You know, people go, I'm Sick. I'm going to the emergency, you know, I'm going to urgent care or whatever, and I go ride it out, you know, and they go, now I gotta get some antibiotics or some whatever. And I go, try it out. Your body knows what to do. Your body will fight it off. It's gonna take a few days. Yeah, but I want to go to urgent care. And it's like, what you're doing is you're robbing your body of the ability to activate and fight it off.

[Alicia Krause]

Especially because now we know. I mean, thank God for antibiotics. Sometimes they're necessary. But I think because when people are using antibiotics too soon and too frequently, it's affecting their gut health negatively. Oh, like you've talked to Dr. Amen about this before.

[Adam Carolla]

You're fucking your entire system up with all the stuff you're putting into your body.

[Alicia Krause]

That's how important gut health is to, like, literally the rest of your body.

[Adam Carolla]

I have these conversations with people who have lots of gut problems and who take lots of stuff. And I go, I don't take anything and I don't have gut problems, and I'm never gonna. And they go, well, here's something I gotta take for my gut because of the gut problem. Like Bhagat's. Every third commercial I see on tv, someone's gut's being strangled by Ivy. And it's like, what is going on with all the gut commercial?

[Alicia Krause]

What did Ivy do?

[Adam Carolla]

Ivy strangled the life out of your lower intestines. And I'm like, look, something is going on that everyone has a bad gut. And I have a gut feeling we're doing something wrong.

[Alicia Krause]

Maybe we're eating the wrong foods. We're over medicating our problems.

[Adam Carolla]

I will explain it as easily as the Amish. The Amish kids don't have any of this stuff. They're out in the dirt. They have animals. They're out in nature. They're.

[Alicia Krause]

You know what they do get, though, unfortunately, at a higher rate? Botulism. Because it comes from dirt and they don't always wash things.

[Adam Carolla]

They have higher levels of botulism.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow, that's a. That's an interesting one.

[Alicia Krause]

But thank God it's only deadly if it's, like, under two. So it's very, very rare.

[Adam Carolla]

Your body, you cannot.

[Alicia Krause]

I was literally, your body can fight off botulism, folks.

[Adam Carolla]

Your body can bite. Your body can fight off everything. I've done it. I've had it happen in my life a million times where I've been sick as a dog, and I just Lay there in bed. I just sweat it, sweat it out. I didn't even take NyQuil. No Tylenol for you, no nothing. But you know, I was watching a commercial yesterday. I came on, it was a dad slathering lotion, skin lotion on their infant. And it was like my first lotion. It's like, don't get caught up on all this shit, you idiot.

[Alicia Krause]

I bathe my children for a while when they're born. Is that weird? No, listen, I'm also a home birth hit.

[Adam Carolla]

Procter and Gamble and Madison Avenue, whatever. They are trying to sell women all of this shit. And you think you're being a good mom by doing all the rubbing and scrubbing and then putting.

[Alicia Krause]

Their skin is perfect. They don't need it.

[Adam Carolla]

They're perfect. They're perfect now. I know there's no thing on the planet that needs moisturizer less than a 9 month old.

[Alicia Krause]

I know.

[Adam Carolla]

And they just slather them with it. And you're just getting everyone hooked on by the way your body, your skin is absorbing tons of shit.

[Alicia Krause]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm telling you, everyone just knock it off.

[Alicia Krause]

Just extra virgin olive oil or coconut oil. That's what I did for my babies.

[Adam Carolla]

You don't have your body. If you rub and scrub something, your body then overcompensates to replace what you just scrubbed off. So don't scrub it off. That's what I'm saying.

[Alicia Krause]

How do you feel about shaving though? Because there are some hippies that say like, oh, you shouldn't even shave or wear deodorant or anything like that. That's a little extreme for me.

[Adam Carolla]

I get the TOMS natural toothpaste and like the TOMS deodorant or whatever. And I shave usually every couple of days with. I don't use shave cream. I just kind of do it wet, steam it up. But the point is, is use as few amount of products as you possibly can on you and in you. Use the fewest amount in you in.

[Alicia Krause]

The ingredients that you're even cooking with. Right. Like you can make a really tasty meal just using real butter, garlic and salt.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. And also stop with all the rules. Just shut up and eat. I don't want to hear about, I like tomatoes cooked, but I don't like raw tomatoes. Shut the fuck up and eat. Messes with my tummy. It's not all about you. Just eat it now.

[Alicia Krause]

I'm hungry.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm hungry too.

[Alicia Krause]

You're talking about all this food. Somebody order us a pizza.

[Adam Carolla]

I was saying last Night. I'm blessed. I like vegetables. I like everything. And the ones I don't like, I just fucking eat it anyway. I don't have a lot of rules about what I eat. First off, eating it isn't all a pleasurable endeavor all the time. There's a part of eating where you're just literally putting fuel into your body.

[Alicia Krause]

To do a thing, to perform, to live.

[Adam Carolla]

It doesn't all. You're not. It's not always a trip to planet fitness and you're sitting in a stall whacking your meat. Sometimes you just gotta put a little fuel in the tank. So this, like, I don't like this. And I just fucking shut up and eat it.

[Alicia Krause]

Just eat it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And the whole thing, like, when you're making a protein shake or whatever, if it tastes good, you're doing it wrong. It needs to taste bad. It needs to taste shitty. And then people announce, well, I don't like the way this. I know you don't like the way it tastes. It's good for you. Now just suck it up.

[Alicia Krause]

I do think that there is an element of, like, the greater the risk or the challenge, the greater the reward, right? And there's this workout guy that my husband and I use sometimes on YouTube, and he's like, if it was easy, then everybody would be doing it. And it's so true. If it was easy to not eat the tasty carb cheese loaded thing, then, you know, nobody would be tempted to eat the cheese loaded, and they'd just be able to easily say no.

[Adam Carolla]

My drink, when I was in high school and I was playing football is I would take the blender and I would dump about half full with V8. Then I'd put a big scoop of brewer's yeast in it, which is the worst tasting stuff you've ever tasted in your life. It makes you gag.

[Alicia Krause]

Why did you put brewer's yeast in the.

[Adam Carolla]

It was supposed to be good for you back then, brewer's yeast. And then put three raw eggs in it. I'd whip it up little rocky style, and I would literally just stand over the sink, and I would just chug it out of the blender and, like, hold my nose and slam it down. I'd go, good, I'm done. It's the worst tasting thing you could ever put in your mouth.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Done.

[Adam Carolla]

And then there are the people. Like, I use honey and bananas and blueberries. Okay, that's a bunch of sugar.

[Alicia Krause]

It's not good for you if it doesn't suck. It's not a protein drink. Then it's a protein pineapple.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. All right, I've talked long enough. Alicia Krauss, everybody. Me, Colorado man. This Friday and Saturday night, Colorado Springs loonies. Got a couple shows out there. Come out to the Comedy Corner. And then we added a show in Greenwood Village. We added a second show. First show sold out. That's in Greenwood Village, Colorado. The comedy works, but we added a second so you can come out. Check that out if you like. Alicia Krause, everyone op ed Washington examiner and C. Thomas how One Mile and the sequel One Mile More in theaters coming up in February. Until next time, sign for C. Thomas Howell and Alicia Krause saying mahalo.

[C. Thomas Howell]

Pick up your phone, leave us a voicemail. The number is 888-634-1744 and you can.

[Adam Carolla]

Get tickets to see adam [e-mail].

[Alicia Krause]

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[C. Thomas Howell]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[C. Thomas Howell]

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