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Leave boredom in the dust on the App Store. Well, time for another Throwback Episode number 567, Big Bad Drew. Yes. We opened the show hitting a big discussion that went on forever after that oppositional defiant disorder. We had discussed it the day before. We continued discussion in this particular episode and Adam observes that many of the people around him seem to have this disorder and perhaps he is attracted to them. And then we turn to speaking about Adam's relationship with his father and how Adam has had to evolve that relationship over the years. And then we turn to the phones and speak to a caller who's lost a sibling to a heart defect. And a caller wonders what's going on with my shoulder. Something I still am struggling with.
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Recorded live at Corolla 1 Studios with Adam Carolla and board certified physician and addiction medicine specialist Dr. Drew Pinsky. You're listening to the Adam and Dr. Drew Show. Yeah, get it on. Got to get it on no choice but to get on Mandate. Get on. Thank you guys for tuning in. Thanks for telling a friend and thanks for all you do for us. We do appreciate it. Drew. Ski over there, buddy.
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We see each other, we start getting back into that oppositional defiant talk again.
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Yeah, we love it.
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Should we pick it up again?
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No, I've done it.
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Let me just do one thing because I had an insight as just the mic's heating up, is that you have lots of those people in your life.
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I do.
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And so you. There must be some fittedness with you and people with that kind of personality, whether it is just that your parents had something like that or whether you like knocking your head against the wall. That somehow is some weirdly gratifying.
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One could argue that it's.
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Well, first off, being angry like that's rewarding.
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The frustration feels good sometimes there's something to it. I agree with you on that. There's many more of these folks out there Than meets the eye. It's a syndrome that you don't really think exists to the extent it does exist. Because it doesn't make sense.
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Well, no, you see it mostly in kids and adolescents. That's when it's overt. Later it looks like narcissism. That's all.
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Yeah, we don't understand.
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Or it goes criminal. It goes one way or the other, you know?
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Right. So you don't. And yes, there's gotta be some participation by mean this. Although I think a lot of people are just sort of out of it and they don't really notice it. I can key into it with people. I don't think other people that know.
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You engage with the rest of us.
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People that know Ray just think he's an asshole.
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Right. You engage it. The rest of us like, ugh, okay, fine. No, you engage it. You want to change it.
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Yeah, I agree.
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We don't even try. Like, forget that. We know it's not worth it. It's again, mommy, Mommy, mommy, come out of the bathroom and stop freaking out.
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Yes, I agree. Yeah, I'd like it to change. I would. But mostly because I care about them.
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I understand, but they didn't change it. They didn't ask you, I guess, care about them that way.
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No, but here's the problem.
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They didn't say, please help me change.
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They asked to be on you. They asked to be on the TV show and leave me alone. Okay, well, they didn't say that part.
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They didn't say it equal. They didn't say one was more important than the other.
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The problem is you can go.
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And here's what the average person would do. They'd go, yeah, we have a PA job over here. You could try it, see how it goes. And when they fuck that up, you go, I tried, man. I tried. You would go all the way up if you wanted.
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I get it. My feeling is you bring them right.
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Out of the set with you. You bring them into the fire.
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Think about it. No, because I knew. I knew raves good carpenter. And I knew, first of all.
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And you also knew he wouldn't see an improv instructor and he would not. You give him this opportunity and he would not do it. You always say, I know he won't change. I know he won't change.
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I did not know. Well, look, first off, going and taking an improv class, I didn't look at is changing. Look at that.
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It came from you.
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No, I did not know that. That's how steeped and deep it was. I thought he Was excited about the show. I thought he looked at the show as an opportunity and maybe a stepping stone to do something else. So when I suggested.
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You fell for it.
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Shut up. So when I suggested taking an improv class, I really had no clue that that was going to be rejected. Yeah, that I didn't. I understand other things, but that was sort of. Oh, as long as you're running down.
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This road, you fell for it.
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Go do this. Yes, I did. All right, let's.
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It's interesting though, right? It is really. The important thing is to look at our own participation in this shit. Because you can't change. He'll change if he gets disgusted or ashamed or whatever or gets good therapist other than another oppositional defiant dude like your dad.
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And no, my mom is worse than my dad. I don't. I think my dad's. My dad's not. My dad's a lot of almost all bad things, but not that. Not that my mom is oppositional defined and my dad isn't. My dad is out of it. My dad is out of it.
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So when he doesn't drive the leased car the way you asked him, that's not oppositional.
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That's an interesting point. My dad is when he doesn't show.
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Up at some of the things that you ask him to do.
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No, I don't ask him to do anything. He stopped. Oh, yeah, well, so there you go. There's a mark for me. I stopped asking.
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Good. Well done.
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And I didn't lease him any more cars.
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True. You're learning. It's good.
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I learned that a decade ago. I said, you're not driving the car no more. No, actually, my dad not driving the luxury car that I leased him when it was going to be turned in in a month. And he was actually, if you want to think of the worst businessman on the planet, he was in negotiations with me to lease him another car for another three years. Literally. Negotiations. Because this car had even gone past its turn in date. If your car.
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You know what's interesting? See if you can engage Ray in something like that where he has to do something to negotiate and see if he doesn't do exactly what your dad did. It'd be interesting. Right?
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Well, it's interesting with my dad why he's the world's worst businessman and why you're right, I'm coming around to him with this example and your example of this. It is a syndrome. And the reason it's a syndrome is because guess what? One person on the planet wants a free leased automobile for them to drive the most in the world. My dad, who is the guy who is going to battle to the extent that I decide to never lease him another car. And by the way, I leased him cars, you know, three years. Three years. Three years. I had a decade of, like, leasing him luxury cars. It's been 15 years. He's never getting another car for me.
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And guess who that. And you know what? He probably looks at his. See, you're not the boss of me. He probably literally feels like a victory. Think about that. If that's not a syndrome, I don't know what is. It's a syndrome because he's not resentful. He doesn't feel bad about it. He's not sulking about it.
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He's never come up again.
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See, old man, I gotcha.
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It's never come up again.
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Isn't that, though? Isn't that right in the center of the hurricane, you know what I mean? Which is I will fuck myself up not to give you into. You and your demands, old man.
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Well, the key of that, yes, I lose the car.
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I'm not resentful because you're not the boss of me, man. Even though he really wants the car, he just doesn't even admit that to himself.
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It's an interesting thing because I've always quietly wondered, how come there's no doubling back.
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Yeah. Because it's done. He proved himself.
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You see, the thing I always find about this oppositional defiant issue is how come none of these people. How come my phone doesn't ring at 10:30 at night? And I go, hello? And I go, hey, listen, it was stupid. I get it. If I lease someone a car and they drove their wife's car and they didn't drive the car, the mileage thing.
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And what would you feel when you made that call?
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Well, whatever you're feeling, I feel a little shame. In eight to 12 minutes, you're getting a new car. Yeah, you can get a new car if you make that phone call.
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No, because you can't feel the shame. So you flip it to I want.
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Very interesting.
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So crazy. Are we not nutty as humans?
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Well, not me, but yes, not me either. That to me is like, in terms of my progress and Drew claiming I'm seeking it out. I cut that old fuck right off. And I was like, okay, douche, you're not getting another car. And I've never got him another car. And I don't wrestle with it and I don't talk to him about it.
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Now, you could think of it. You could Argue. There's a flip side to that, which is I shouldn't be so dependent on my son anyway.
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I should.
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You know, this is. I'm just saying you could argue.
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I had coffee in my mouth. I didn't spit it. Drew. I could have spat that all over the. All over the place.
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There's a healthy version of what I'm saying, which is, you know, I shouldn't be so dependent on my son.
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He's being very.
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I mean, I want to be my own man here. I don't want to be indebted to him.
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That's good stuff.
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So there's a healthy version.
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You're so right, Drew. Look at you bring. You're dropping truth bombs on me.
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Right? You're right. I'm not.
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There's nothing I've said a million times. It's a syndrome. And the reason it's a syndrome is because you're willing to hurt yourself.
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Yes, That I said literally, like holding a gun at you and then shooting me. Ha. See, I told you.
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Well, I said on my program, I said, when somebody says, I'm gonna kill my wife, I'm gonna make it look like an accident and I'm gonna collect the insurance. I just took a big premium out on her and policy out on her, and I'm gonna collect that and I'm moving to Maui with my mistress. That's a bad guy, but I get. Makes sense.
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Makes you a sociopath, not an oppositional defiant.
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Well, you're going a direction. You're doing something. It may be. And the cops busted you and they used an undercover wire and it didn't work, but it's a straight line. But I get it. There' insurance money. But if you just go, I'm going into an Albertsons and shooting everybody. And then you go, someone's going to go, yeah, but the SWAT team is going to shoot you in the back of the head. And then how's that going to work? And then what? Do they have money? No, I'm not asking for money. I'm just going to shoot them. You're like, well, that doesn't help you. Yeah, that means you're deranged. That's a sickness. The thing where you have your wife killed and collect the insurance or rob the bank. I don't even really, I don't want to hang out with you, but I don't look at it as a sickness.
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It is a sickness, but it's a sickness that doesn't include a distorted motivation.
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Right.
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The motivation goes A, B, C. I get D. And in your dad's case, it's. The motivation is, I need D a B back to A. And that's good.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Right. And so that's a distorted motivation. The motivation's all fucked up.
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Well, as. Just for those who never heard it, I basically just told them flat out, you better start driving that car. I gotcha. Because it's low on mileage and we need to turn it in, and they're not going to give me money back. And the next time I saw him, he drove the crv, the Honda crv, his white brown CR V with a cloth interior or the house. Now, one caveat.
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One wrinkle.
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One wrinkle. The house. The distance from his house to my house is a full 11 miles. And the CRV gets 26 miles on the highway. And the car I got him got 21.
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All right, so it may have been a pragmatic issue.
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No, no. I mean, it's not like he didn't bring that up. Oh. I think later on.
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Well, what. Yeah.
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Was going through his mind. But if you do break it down, it breaks down to 71 cents or whatever.
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Not only that, once he's engaged with you, that doesn't matter. You understand? That may have been a real thing in his mind, but once he's in that oppositional posture with you, that's not involved anymore.
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Yep.
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I've known you since what, 1995? Well, it took us 22 years to figure this out.
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That's good, though.
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Yeah. At least we got here.
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I did have the. I had this great thing with him where I said, if you spent $900 a month leasing someone a luxury car and you saw that person and they weren't driving that car, what would that feel like to you? And he said, I'd have no feelings about it. And I said, you really would have no feelings about it. None whatsoever.
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There it is. Right.
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I said, I find it hard to imagine that anybody I know, including you, if you shelled out a lot of money to lease someone an automobile, and you would see that person, they weren't driving that car, and quite the contrary, they're driving quite a lesser version, would that not evoke any feelings? And then what if the person, the same person, was saying, I need another.
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Car, he can't put himself in that position. He can't even imagine being.
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He'd literally just look me in the eye and goes, I don't know what you're talking about.
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Now, here's what's strange to me is what's being Evoked. And you brittle me this what's being evoked in my little. You know, I always have strange, fleeting thoughts and things. What's coming to mind now is you drowning in the pool, being hit over your head by your mom and your grandmother with your own testicles.
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I thought it was their breasts.
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No, it was your own testicles. Well, it sort of looked like testicle breasts, so it could have been anything.
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You can't read into dreams.
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So this was a dream. But isn't that sort of a weird. Like, I'm drowning here. I'm drowning here and. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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I'm trying to think of my mom's weird.
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But oppositional finance is. No, no, no. That's what it is.
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That's what it is. All right, let's talk to.
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Oh, I'll talk to Greg. Please, please. Come on now.
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What's going on? Drew's shoulder.
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Huh?
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No. Courtney, 29, Tokyo, Japan Come on.
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Okay, you're right.
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Hello. What's.
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Hi.
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Yes, I wanted to ask Drew. My brother died on March 24. He had what they said was a very, very small, almost undetectable hole in his heart that I guess he was born with. I guess that happens when kids are in the womb. They have a hole in their toes or something.
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Hold on, hold on, hold on. So, first of all, horrible. I am so sorry. But thank you. We're going to talk about it like it's just a car. We're going to talk about just.
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Right.
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That helps.
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Yeah.
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When your heart develops, it's called these endomyocardial cushions. It's sort of these four components that kind of blend together, right? It's sort of something that kind of comes into the whole. Comes into W H O L E. It becomes a whole heart. And sometimes developmentally, in the process of that, there can be little remnant, little tiny holes left behind. Now, one of the holes, one of the dangerous holes, occurs in the ventricle right between the two, the right and left ventricle. Usually you hear those and know about those your whole life, and they can be repaired or sometimes they resolve on their own. The bigger ones can result in unoxygenated blood mixing with the oxygenated blood and not getting to the lungs and causing all kinds of problems with low oxygen in the arterial blood. I'm guessing this wasn't that because he would have sort of known about that. And those people can have rhythm disturbances and all kinds of horrible things. They even get heart failure. But I suspect the one you're talking about is a Hole in the atrial septum, which is the two things that sit on top of the heart. And there are two. There are several different sort of versions of what are called atrial septal defects. The dreaded complication of the atrial septal defect is, though, that things can get from the right to the left atrium, like blood clots. And blood clots can form in your legs, like if you're traveling to Tokyo or something. And because of time, the pressure gradient is such that usually these little clots form all the time, but they get screened up by our lungs. That actually happens. But if you have a hole in your top part of your heart and the pressure gradient is such that it can go from one side to the other, it becomes a big stroke, and that's a fucking mess.
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Many, many, many strokes.
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Yeah, that's a mess. I'm so sorry. Those are hard to know about. And we do a lot these days, a lot better job at detecting them now than we used to. And we look for them very actively, but they still can be hard to detect.
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Okay, that's what I was wondering. I'm pretty, like, you know, obviously pissed off with, like, that. This was never figured out. He was a heavy smoker, too, so I don't know if that had anything.
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To do with that. Well, it does because. It does, because it changes that pressure gradient. So the lungs can have an accelerated pressure on that side of the heart that can push things over to the other side.
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You're 29. How old was he?
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32.
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Are we mad at people because he was being monitored or going in and being looked at, or did this come out of right field?
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No, no, it totally came out of right field. Like, he was in my dad's house. My dad found him in the yard. He was fine yesterday or the day before, and my dad came home and that was it.
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Who are we mad at? If this. Just because this doesn't feel like negligence, then it is.
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She's just frustrated that he.
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I know, but sometimes it's like he went in complaining of. And they didn't pick it up.
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You wouldn't really complain about.
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No. Yeah, you didn't complain.
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Now, when you say many strokes, why do we know that?
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So that's kind of what I was.
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What happened was. Yeah, it's strange. So I guess what happened was. I'll try to keep it short. I got a phone call, daytime, here, the day before he died, and they said he'd had a stroke or they thought he had a stroke. So my ambulance came, took him And I kept calling the hospital because I'm far away. I can't be there. So I'm like, what is going on? What is going on? No one would let me talk to him. Eventually, I called and they said he had been declared brain dead because he'd had multiple. And they found clots in his legs, arms, and brain. And I was curious about that as well. They said that he just had a ton of devastating strokes. And I was confused by that.
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Usually these present as a little shower or a small stroke. So the fact that he has them all over the place leads me to believe. And I'm gonna ask you a gruesome question. Did they do an autopsy?
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Well, he was an organ donor, so they ended up. It took days of him being brain dead and online. I know, to figure out what happened. So that's when I saw him. But they donated it to organs.
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Let me tell you what I'm thinking is that it was because of all these clots. It suggests that he had something called a hypercoagulable state. Like something was wrong with his clotting system. And the number one and two reasons for that would be A, cancer and then B, medication. So I'm wondering, was he on something weird medication wise? And did they find even a tiny cancer sometimes can really do a number on the clotting system?
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Interesting. No, he was on, like, antidepressants, and I think that was it. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. What's the antibiotics?
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Do they do anything?
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Maybe. Which one?
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I think it was Ativan. So actually, that's a Benzo, right?
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Yep. That wouldn't do it. I would not put somebody on Ativan long term, but that would not do it. But in any event. So I would kind of search right there. May have been this, may have been. Not really that, but something else coming on that could have been bad. Yeah.
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All right, well, Courtney, sorry for the loss.
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What are you doing in Tokyo? What are you doing over there?
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Thank you. My boyfriend and I are teaching English. We're here for a few more months. We've been here for like, nine.
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That's pretty cool.
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Just got back from Seattle, where I'm from. So I'm back and trying to adjust some.
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Pretty. Well, you got two good places to adjust. Thanks, Courtney.
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All right, so let's see. Who do you want to talk to down there?
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My shoulder. I want to talk to Greg.
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Greg?
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Yeah.
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Hey, Adam. True. First off, my condolences to the previous colony. Unfortunate. Yeah. And Adam, you are a wealth of common sense. It's very impressive. And Drew, your knowledge of the pathological processes of the body is astounding.
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Hey, Drew.
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Anyway, I want to know what's going on with. Oh, yeah, there you go.
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Adam, the thing about common sense is I hate it when people try to talk me out of it.
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I don't. I used to, probably, maybe.
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But now it's like I just know what I know.
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Did I used to get some?
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Not really. I thought you thought it was your genuine. I don't even look at his intelligence as I just live on Earth and I observe life. And as Drew likes to say, reality on reality's terms.
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I'm telling you something about your parasympathetic nervous system. Slows the world down for you. Where you can observe and see and then put process in a way that the average person does not. And you assume everyone else sees that. And so you are frustrated other people don't. And then you kick into that dance with the odd. Right. You see how that works?
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Well, the dance is more like this. I have a fleet of Lamborghinis because I figured it out. So just listen to the guy who's figured it out. Because you do not have a fleet of Lamborghinis. Then you shall figure it out.
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I also don't have opposition to fighters disorder.
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Or stop coming to me and asking for money or cars or things when I'm explaining to you, stop asking me for food. I'm teaching you how to fish. Or stop asking. That's what I'm saying.
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Great.
B
You're asking about my shoulder. Are you a physical therapist? Please, God, yes. Please, God, yes.
D
I'm a chiropractor, but I treat a lot of people with shoulders with a lot of soft tissue therapies. And here's the thing, Drew. I heard you say about two years ago on an older podcast that you were foam rolling and it helped your shoulder.
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Yeah.
D
And I've been meaning to call and try to talk to you since and try to dig into that because.
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So here's the rolling on the foam ball. Yeah, I gave up on all the rolling thing because it didn't do that much except made it hurt.
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Right, Right.
D
Drew, did you ever get any pt, Any aggressive stuff?
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Okay, so here's. So here's how I look at it. I got a couple of sessions with somebody, and they were working on my subscapularis, something I couldn't get to by myself. And it helped maybe a little bit. But here's the deal. So I've got. I've got sort of, you know, I've sort of wide shoulders, right?
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Yeah. Narrow at the hip and everyone knows you don't give no lip to Big Drew.
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Big Drew.
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I have a Big Drew big bedroom. Well, he stood 6 foot 4 and 285 and everyone knows this tough man alive Big Drew, Big Drew kind of broad at the shoulder Narrowed the hip and everyone knows you don't give no lip to Big Dream. They said he came from Louisiana when he sent argument over a Cajun queen Sent a man from New Orleans to the promised land Big Dream.
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What's the name of the Big Gym?
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Big John.
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Big John.
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Big John, Big Bad John.
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So. So. And I have a lifetime of heavy weightlifting. And I think what screwed me up was very heavy, wide, inclined dumbbell presses. And I love them. Like I. Yeah, Big Bad John. And maybe play that in the background while I'm talking to. While I'm talking to Shrek. And I still haven't stopped, so I know I'm in for trouble. I refuse to get an MRI because what am I going to do? I don't have time for physical therapy, because I don't have time for it. There it is.
D
Yeah.
B
Little less volume.
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Little.
D
Wasn't that song.
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Hold on, I got a little older.
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Never at the hip. Everyone knows you didn't give no lip to Big Drew. Big Drew.
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Look how Greg started.
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Big Drew. Big, bad Drew.
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Michael Marin. I need a cartoon.
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Jordan flies with 65 pound dumbbells. He extended his. Hyperextended his shoulders. Now it's going to knife. 85 pound said hi. The Big Drill. Somebody said he came from New Orleans where he got in a fight over a Cajun queen. And a crashing blow from a huge right hand sent a Louisiana fella to the promised land. Big Drill.
B
We need to bring Thunder Bear into this somehow. Thunder Bear belongs here.
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Big badger.
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All right. So. So, Greg. So I really have done nothing because I don't have time to take care of it. And what I've been doing is being much more. Less stupid about doing things that hurt it. And it's gotten a little better.
D
And so do you have a diagnosis?
B
No.
D
Like impingement syndrome.
B
It might be an impingement. It feels like a rotator cuff. It's sort of the tenderness there. It's probably both. It's probably both, yeah.
D
Drew, Drew, Drew.
B
So can you. Can it actually be for help?
D
Yes, yes. I do this all the time, and it's very easy. And half the reason I want to call it, so other people can hear.
B
Okay. Even if I keep. You listen. Hold on. Even. I keep listening even though I keep weightlifting. You could take care of it. Yeah, because my feet. My. I figure is just gonna keep going if I keep lifting weights. Hey, if.
D
If you don't do anything about it, it will, but, I mean, once that information gets rocking.
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I know.
D
It's so hard for it to go away.
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Oh, yes, I'm aware.
D
It's. If you keep working. Subscap and bicep.
B
Yeah. Bicep, too.
D
Yeah, Bicep. The. One of the heads of the bicep attaches on the coracoid process, right. With pec minor. And that can pull the scapula forward and it reduces the subacromial space.
B
So what do I do?
D
You need to work your bicep. You need to work your bicep. You need to see somebody that does active release techniques or graston or both.
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Don't go with full release limited to activate this one.
D
No. I got one for you, Adam. You guys need to come to Minneapolis again. It's been a while.
B
I know. I love Minneapolis.
D
And then we'll put you through the torture chamber.
B
It'll be great.
A
But I, who had a devastating shoulder injury, have no problems with my shoulder.
B
I know. I know.
A
Everyone said I was going to have huge problems when I was adult because of this devastating injury. But I've never had a shoulder problem.
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So let me ask this. Are there exercises when I do my exercise, are there any recommendations on what to do, you know, how to work around it?
D
You know, the standard issue thing is eccentric external rotation, internal rotation for eccentric contraction, for repairing any kind of tear.
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Yeah.
D
But you have to address the soft tissue component because dynamic stability of the glenohumeral joint is controlled by muscles.
B
Yeah, yeah, of course.
D
You gotta take care of the muscles. You take care of the muscles and you'll take care of the shoulder.
A
I want to know is it bad for the rotator cuff to lift a giant timber above your head and free 49 miners?
B
Yes. That would really.
A
Trapped in a living grave. That's what happened.
B
I know.
A
I tried to say big Drew, he's down there. He lifted a timber. Gary. Above his head.
B
We call it the caber.
A
There's a light up above. Hold on a second. I'll let Gary find that. First I'll tell you about Casper. Casper.
B
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A
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B
Can't wait to hear this.
A
Then came the day at the bottom of the mine when a timber cracked and men started crying. Miners were praying and hearts beat fast and everybody thought that they'd breathed their last Sept. John True. Through the dust and the smoke of this man made hell walked a giant of a man that the miners knew well. Grabbed a sagging timber and gave out with a groan. And like a giant oak tree just stood there alone.
B
Big John. Sagging timber.
A
Sagging timber. Yeah. Big droop. Big bad drips.
D
True.
A
And with all of his strength he gave a mighty shove. Then A miner yelled out, there's a light up above. And 20 men scrambled from a would be grave. Now there's only one left down there to see. Big Drill.
B
Oh, this is very sad. My shoulder's bugging me just thinking about it.
A
Back down. Then came that rumble. Way down in the ground. And smoking gas belched out of that mine.
B
All right, I. I have ptsd. I can't relive it.
A
Here's the whole thing. Big Dr. Big Drew. Big Drew. Big bad Drew. Drew.
B
It's awful. I can't stand.
A
I never reopened that worthless pit. They just placed.
B
They left me there.
A
Put a marble stand in front of it.
B
Yeah, so what?
A
Hold on. At the bottom of this mine lies a big, big man. Big Drew. Big Drew.
B
Really? You think it's okay?
A
Big Drew?
B
Think it's okay that they just throw a slab on Big Drew? Can't get him out. Let's make a mind.
A
No, they went back in to get you. No, they did not. There was a barrel rumble and that's what I'm saying.
B
They barely tried that. Could have. Still, I was still there.
A
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Date: November 11, 2025
Host: Adam Carolla
Guest: Dr. Drew Pinsky
Theme: Relationships with oppositional personalities, family dynamics, and listener advice
This classic episode centers around Adam and Dr. Drew’s recurring conversation about oppositional defiant disorder (ODD), especially its presence in their personal relationships. With a signature blend of humor and insight, they dig into Adam’s history with oppositional personalities—namely family and friends like Ray—and reflect on the futility and frustration that comes with trying to change such people. The episode also features call-ins dealing with personal tragedy and medical advice, including an affecting conversation with a listener from Tokyo about losing her brother to a heart defect. Comic banter, pop culture riffs, and signature "Big Bad Drew" humor run through the advice and self-reflection.
Dr. Drew observes Adam's recurring relationships with ODD personalities (specifically friends like Ray):
Drew explains ODD’s trajectory:
Adam’s efforts to help Ray and the futility involved:
Wider reflection: Why do people with ODD never double back, apologize, or admit regret when acting against their own interests for the sake of defiance?
Adam and Drew dissect Adam’s relationship with his father, highlighting an incident where Adam leased his father a luxury car, only to find his dad stubbornly driving a lesser vehicle (and never asking for another car again after Adam stopped providing).
Adam reflects on how his mother exhibits even worse oppositional traits than his dad.
The duo debates whether there’s a “healthy” version of resisting dependence, or if it’s merely a self-defeating syndrome.
Adam on his evolving approach to ODD people: he no longer wrestles with them or provides them things, simply cuts them off when needed.
Caller Courtney (from Tokyo) shares her brother’s sudden death from an undiagnosed heart defect.
Drew probes further, suspecting perhaps a hypercoagulable state or undiagnosed cancer could be at play given the many clots found post-mortem.
The call closes with mutual condolences and discussion about Courtney’s life as an English teacher in Tokyo.
Caller Greg (a chiropractor) checks in about Dr. Drew’s persistent shoulder pain.
Greg shares practical advice: active release, Graston techniques, and working on both subscapularis and bicep for dynamic stability.
Comic Interlude: Adam launches into an extended riff, parodying "Big Bad John" as "Big Bad Drew," complete with impromptu lyrics and inside-jokes about Drew’s size and heroics.
Medical Note: Greg stresses the importance of not ignoring rotator cuff or impingement injuries, advocating for proper muscle maintenance to avoid chronic problems.
Adam on futility with ODD people:
Dr. Drew on self-defeating stubbornness:
Adam’s comedic riff, channeling "Big Bad John":
On why oppositional people never circle back to apologize:
Dr. Drew describing the ODD mindset:
With a blend of introspection, banter, rants, and signature comedic flair, Adam and Drew unravel the weird ways stubbornness and ODD show up in life—both their own and that of listeners. They showcase real empathy in responding to a caller’s loss, underline the importance (and difficulty) of self-care, and ultimately provide listeners with a raw, relatable, and entertaining look at the quirks of human behavior.
“It’s a syndrome because you’re willing to hurt yourself... That’s what it is.”
– Adam Carolla (10:45)
For fans: This episode is classic Carolla/Drew—unvarnished, wise, and truly funny.