D (1:57)

And so he popped the question and I said, no, I don't think they're cowards, man. I mean, to tell some guy to fly into a wall, go to sure death, even if you think there's a bunch of virgins waiting for you, it takes a lot of guts. Right. So these might be really bad guys, but they're not wimps.

A (2:13)

No, I agree with you. And I saw the episode and I saw the episode where you return to Marr after all those years. You Know, barred from marred. But the. And I agree with you, we do way too much of this person who called 911 as a hero and this person who flew the thing into the plane as a coward. Like, we swing really far in different directions. And I think without putting words in your mouth, all we want is clarity. Meaning these are the worst people on the planet. It's just coward doesn't quite fit the description of them exactly.

D (2:51)

In other words, they're, you know, evil people aren't necessarily cowards.

A (2:55)

I wouldn't. Yes. You wouldn't call the pilots, the Japanese pilots that flew the planes into the aircraft carriers at the end of World War II, the kamikaze pilots. You wouldn't call them cowards.

D (3:08)

Exactly. So part of it Is, particularly after 9 11, there was so much confusion about trying to understand who's behind all this. And as you know, ever since then, there's been a whole effort to detach the motives of these terrorists from. From the religion they practice, namely, Islam.

A (3:25)

Right.

D (3:26)

And that was the point of agreement between Bill and me on the recent show is we're like, listen, they saw themselves as being pious Muslims. Now, you can say not all Muslims think that way, but it's certainly true that a great motive for contemporary terrorism is radical Islam.

A (3:41)

But here's what I don't understand about the left in general, and the right is guilty of it to some degree, but I feel like the left does a ton of this where you say, we have a problem. And that problem could be anything from the inner cities and the kids and the graduation rates to the Islam terrorists and whatever it is. And basically what you're saying is this house is infested with termites. And they're saying, not every wall in this house has termites. And you say, yeah, I know, but there is a problem. And they're saying, not every. Not every stud in this house has termites, so you can't. And you're going, yes. Not every inner city child is not graduating high school. Not every Muslim is a. But there's a higher percentage, and thus it needs to be focused on and addressed. You keep saying not every. I mean, when Arianna Huffington looked at you and said, what he is saying is that every terrorist, every Muslim is a terrorist. And you said, no, that's not what I said. I didn't. How could we ever begin to address the problem when the dentist says, you have two cavities and you go, well, I have 26 teeth that don't have cavities. Not every tooth has a Cavity. Well, don't you just want to focus on the cavity and see for you if we can fix the tooth?

D (5:03)

You know, I think some of this got started, if I'm going to be honest about it, during the civil rights movement. And the reason I say that is there was a great campaign against stereotypes.

E (5:14)

Sure.

D (5:14)

Now what's a stereotype but a generalization? Now in the past there were people who had very nasty generalizations about groups, but the way to fight them was to show that they're false or that they're being wrongly applied. What really happened is there became a prejudice in our culture against generalizing.

A (5:32)

Yes.

D (5:32)

And so, you know, literally you'd say things like, you know, men are taller than women. And people say, well, that's a stereotype.

A (5:38)

There's a lot of women in WNBA who are taller. There's a lady who plays the center for the Los Angeles Sparks who's taller than my neighbor Fred, who's. Yeah, okay, understood. But now can we get back to the truth for a second?

D (5:54)

Exactly. And this is relevant because it's not just a matter of talking sense. I mean, entire industries like insurance are based upon making intelligent generalizations. For example, young men are a lot more likely to bash their cars than young women. And that's why insurance rates are different. It's not. It is discrimination, I suppose, but it's legitimate discrimination based on behavior.

A (6:16)

Right. It's you set up a pattern and we'll set up a pattern economically that follows that because we're business. Now if they were a government appointed enterprise, if they were school system or something else, well, they probably wouldn't favor males. But I'm saying you couldn't do the reverse. By the way, I'm not even sure all state could do the reverse if more women got into more accidents. It'd be an interesting experiment. Right now young teenage boys have a disproportionate amount of cost accidents as it pertains to women. So they have to pay a higher rate. It just, that's the open market. That makes sense. We all understand that. Now you can go, you're discriminating against. No, it's market value. It's just fair market value. That's what they're costing us because they get into car accidents three times at the rate that women do. I wonder if women, if they reverse the circumstances and women got into it three times as much as men. If we then said, well now women, you're gonna have to pay higher rate, I wonder if there'd be an outcry cause I bet there would.

D (7:22)

Yeah, that's a good point. Well, I mean, certainly when it comes to disease, therefore, take for example, breast cancer. Now, men can get breast cancer, but they're much less likely to get it than women.

A (7:31)

Sure.

D (7:32)

And so if you had, it'd be interesting to see if you had insurance industry only for that disease, how they would treat it.

A (7:38)

Right. And what you and I and what Dinesh's book, which is out is, We Speak America Imagine A without her. I saw the documentary. I actually watched it twice over the weekend and loved it. We're going to get into that in a second. It's available on Amazon, by the way. The book is available on Amazon right now. And you know what to do. You bookmark@adamcroll.com and you click through and you put a little wind in the sails of our pirate ship here. But what Dinesh is basically saying in the documentary and in the book is capitalism. It may not be the best. It's sort of the only. In my view, it's really the only thing that motivates people and keeps them in line. There's not enough cops. There's not a big enough government. There's not enough. There's just not enough. It's just you get paid more if you do a better job. You get paid less when you do a crappy job and it gets you out of bed Monday morning.

D (8:35)

Yeah. You know, Marx had this idea that people should work in the morning and then do criticism in the afternoon and then sleep in the evening. But he had no idea how to organize an economy, how to motivate people. Communism, I think, does work, but it works only in the family. Right. And the family is based upon. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. But no society is based upon that. I think even Obama knows that. So that what's going on now is that capitalism is the undisputed system for every economy. But it's under this fierce moral critique by people who want the government to play quarterback in our economy.

A (9:13)

I to me, it's so weird that people would even question capitalism and motivation. Meaning every guy I went to high school with, I always say, look, payday's Friday. And it's not Friday morning, it's Friday afternoon at the end of work. Whenever I work construction, you got your check at 3:35 on Friday, because that was it. If you got paid on Monday at noon, those guys wouldn't have showed up on Tuesday. I mean, that's who I worked with. That's what motivated those guys. Unfortunately, it's what motivates 3/4 of the planet. That paycheck comes Friday afternoon. The folks that sit around and pontificate and say, but wouldn't it be better if we trusted the workers and that we could pay them Monday morning? And I go, it would be. And that would be nice, except for, guess what? They're not showing up. So let's just do it Friday and move on to the next topic. Why don't we understand that?

D (10:12)

You know, I think we don't understand it, or at least a lot of people don't understand it, because they'll look at a job and they try to put an intrinsic value on it. Obama, for example, part of his speech, rhetoric. He likes to say stuff like, you know, in China, they pay teachers as much as doctors. And he's meaning. He wants applause when he says that. Why? Because he's basically thinking, a teacher is really important and a doctor is really important, so both should be paid kind of the same because they're both equally essential. But in a market economy, it's not like that. You take a guy like Matt Damon, right, with his karate moves in the Bourne Identity. Now, that stuff is. I'm not saying it doesn't take some skills, but it may last six weeks and he gets 10 million bucks. Right? Now, if you ask me, intrinsically, I can't possibly think of what kind of workout would justify 10 million bucks for six weeks. But I'm not deciding. The people who decide are all the guys who go and buy a ticket to the guy's movie, and so they're putting money in his pocket, and that's what's creating inequality. So if you sit around and try to decide what's the intrinsic value of it, you can't. The intrinsic value is decided by the consumer.

A (11:20)

You know, I sort of look at it as a sort of a pyramid. And it's something that I will say to my kids, they just turned eight, my twins. But how many people can do your job? And if you flip burgers at McDonald's like I used to do, then the answer is, everyone who's ever been born and some that were stillborn can actually replace you. So what are you worth? $4 an hour, $7 an hour? Whatever the minimum wage is, is what you're worth. And by the way, if there wasn't a minimum wage, you might not even get that, because everybody on the planet can do your job. And then as you work your way up to manager and owner of a franchise and whatever it is, there's Less and less people. Now, by the time you become the NFL quarterback who threw the winning touchdown, now there's you and nine other guys on that brick at the top of the pyramid, and thus you're going to get $15 million a year. It's a pretty simple ride on up. The fewer there are of people who can do what you can do, the more you get paid.

D (12:31)

That's very good. I mean, I think because you've worked these different jobs, you've seen them from the inside out. Adam Smith once gave the example of who makes a pin, and he talked about a factory in which there are 12 different guys each doing different tasks. Now, he says it's a great illusion for the guy who puts the head on. He thinks I made the pin. Right? He doesn't realize all the things behind him that have enabled this to happen. So I think what happens in our society is inequality generates envy, and people think, what the hell? I can do what that guy's doing. Yeah, but you're not doing it.

A (13:02)

You know what I think is going on to a large extent in our new ish society, the one that seems to have cropped up sucks because I was poor my entire life and I always thought, wouldn't it be great to have money? And now that I have money, it sucks to have money in the sense that nobody looks up to you anymore, you're now the enemy. It's people wanting to know when you're gonna pay your fair share and all that shit. And don't get me wrong, people who are listening, I'd rather have money than not have money. And you shouldn't feel sorry for me or weep a tear for me. But what I'm saying is, I didn't know that when I started paying the bills and paying the taxes and taking care of business, I. That society would crop up, look at me as the 1 percenter and make me the enemy.

D (13:54)

Yeah. Now this is something, I think, that is kind of new.

A (13:57)

Oh, it's definitely new. It's very new.

D (13:59)

Because, look, you look at the federal government's income tax revenues. Now, the top 1%. You mentioned the 1%. The top 1% pays 33% of all the federal taxes in America. 33%. The next 9% pays the next 33%. So 2/3 of all the federal tax revenues are coming from 10% of the earning population. The bottom 50% of America pays nothing. Nothing. So, you know, our revolution was no taxation without representation. But weirdly, we live in a society where half the population has representation without taxation.

A (14:37)

Well, we'll play a few clips from the movie. The fair share thing crops up, which, it makes me want to take a cucumber peeler and just peel every ounce of my skin off. When I hear that, people point at folks and go, when are you going to start paying your fair share? And the answer is, first off, do you really want to explore fair and share? Because I'll tell you what, whoever Obama or Diane Warren.

D (15:09)

Elizabeth Warren.

A (15:10)

Diane Warren writes songs. Elizabeth Warren, I'll tell you what, I would love to pay my fair share. Let's sit down and figure out what my share is. And then when we pencil out my fair share, I'm gonna save so much goddamn money.

D (15:25)

Well, you know the funny thing, Warren has this big speech where she goes, you know, you moved your goods to market on roads. The rest of us. The rest of us? You mean that guy's not paying for the roads. He's paying for the roads too. It's not the rest of you. Everybody pays and everybody uses the roads.

A (15:40)

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Free spots are going quick. Enter Adam now@draftkings.com DraftKings.com Now, I first sort of caught on to Elizabeth Warren when she was talking about she was here to explain that the system was rigged and that the field wasn't level. And I said, I hate that message. I hate it. I hate for any official or schoolteacher or coach or anybody in a capacity to tell its team, students, constituency, it's rigged against you. Because what that's saying is don't get out of bed. Why bother? Would you play a chess game that was rigged against you? Would you go to a casino and sit down at a blackjack table and if you knew it was rigged against you? And I know the casino has a mathematical advantage, but I mean rigged against You. No. You never even sit down.

D (17:18)

Yeah, exactly. I see. This is so to put my finger on what has changed in our country. You can almost think of American society as kind of a bandwagon with a few guys sitting in the wagon. And those are the guys. Let's go back to the New Deal, right? There's always been some guys who can take care of themselves, and the rest of the population is pulling the bandwagon. Now, it's true that since the 1930s through the 60s to now, more and more people are in the bandwagon. So initially it was maybe three guys out of 100. Now it's about 20 guys.

A (17:47)

Right.

D (17:47)

But that's not even what's really changed. What's really changed is you might expect our leaders to go to the guys who are pulling and say, listen, guys, we're in a tough economy. You know, we really appreciate you. You're the best people in America. Thank you for doing what you're doing, because you're enabling these other guys to ride along while you pull. Instead, what Obama does, he goes to the people in the bandwagon. He goes, you are the most morally wonderful people in America. And then he goes to the guys who are pulling, and he goes, you're greedy, you're selfish, you're materialistic. You better pull harder. So what's he doing demoralizing the productive people in our economy and giving you the idea, which. Sure, then you get the idea. Well, maybe I should be riding in the bandwagon. Life's a little more pleasant over there.

A (18:31)

I was trying to think about this as I was watching your documentary. And I was thinking, thinking about the fact of I have said, look, I don't like all the bullying talk. And people are like, you're for bullying. And I'm like, no, I'm not for bullying. I'm just tired of turning everyone into a victim of bullying. And then I realized that's what I don't like about it. I don't like everybody being a victim. I don't like it. Not for me. I don't like it for them. I don't want, like you ask me, was I bullied? I guess. I don't know. I never thought about it. I didn't think of it as being bullied. I thought of it as junior high and high school. I thought of it as people you get along with and some people you don't get along with. I thought it was, yeah, you have weird hair. Then you're called Brillo head. I understood it. And you wear Glasses, you were called four eyes. Like understood. But I never looked at it and no one ever looked at it as being bullied. Even, even people got into fights and fist fights. It's still I got into a fight, but it wasn't. I'm being victimized. And I hate that idea that somehow our elected officials are there to convince everybody that they're being victimized, or at least the lion's share of the people that voted for them, that they're getting screwed. They're gonna continue being screwed and by the way, they're the ones who are gonna unscrew them or protect them from getting screwed. Except for magically that never happens. I even hated the hope and change thing. I didn't like. First off, we're Americans. We don't hope for shit. We go do stuff we, we don't. Hoping is buying a lottery ticket and sitting home and praying and rubbing your rosary beads. We don't hope for anything and change. How much change do we need to do?

D (20:08)

The other thing is, you know, this is the old American spirit, which is when things turn against you, which sometimes happens, and in fairness, capitalism. There was an economist, Schumpeter, who called it a gale of creative destruction, meaning industries are turned topsy turvy. At one time, 70% of Americans worked on farms. And then as technology got better, and now look at one guy with headphones and a tractor and he's farming 500 acres. So you don't need all these guys on the farm. So what's the solution? Get your butt off the farm. You gotta go do something else. It's not easy because you've been doing it for generations and your way of life is gone and all that. But all those Americans realize that they just can't stay on the farm. And the government can't just keep farming going because once there's enough food for people to eat, then there are other things to be done. So something like that has happened in some of our manufacturing sectors. There are things in America that are now done by technology, by robots or by foreigners, a lot cheaper. And so there needs to be change. We're moving into a more knowledge. It's not easy. But our problem is that our politics isn't tough and can't say to people, look, there's no alternative but to learn and to doing something new. The government can help you learn, but we're not going to protect your job because you're making something that can be made for half the price somewhere else.

A (21:21)

I want to hear about your personal background and when you came to this country and just how you became who you were. But first, from Dinesh's new and 2016, by the way, was the last doc, which was absolutely, in terms of political documentaries, I think the second biggest one ever. Unbelievably, 33 million plus dollars at the box office. Oh, what a country. As Yakov Smirnoff used to say, America, imagine world without her. And I'm passionate about this documentary because just so people know exactly where I am with this, I'm not a flag waving, sort of blind rah rah guy who says we have never hurt anyone, killed anyone, that there's not problems, that they're not issues, that we haven't had issues in the past and we don't have issues today and we won't have issues tomorrow. I've never said that. All I've said was, can we stop beating ourselves up? What model for a country that doesn't exist are we using? That is so much more philanthropic and so much better and so much everything than us. I look at all these other regimes around the world throughout history and I say, look, we're the best and we have faults, but we're the best. And as you say, when we're done whipping the shit out of Germany and we're done with Japan, we helped them rebuild and we left. I don't know who else would have done that. As a matter of fact, those wars were started to take over Poland and take over Russia and take over whoever you're going to China and whoever you're going to annex. We're the only ones who put people back together. And then we never stop beating ourselves up about the atomic bomb which saved hundreds of thousands of lives. We never stopped beating ourselves up. And all I'm saying is, can we just give ourselves a break from beating ourselves up? We are a force for good in the world. We've done bad, but that doesn't mean we're not a force for good. And I'll tell you why, you know, we're good. Every time there's a tsunami, everyone just looks at our country and goes, what are you gonna do?

D (23:24)

And if we were to take our borders down, there'd be a big rush, right?

A (23:29)

People are going, look, it's pretty simple. When you take Berlin and you put a wall down the middle of it and you just a couple of Martians from outer space and you go, what's going on on the east side? Well, people are getting killed trying to get to the west side. Well, the people on the west side, obviously, are doing something and have created a better society, a better government, a better way of living.

D (23:48)

I think this, what you're talking about now, is really my life story, because I grew up in India, and I grew up. You know, I grew up middle class. But in India, middle class means something totally different than here.

A (24:00)

What does it mean?

D (24:01)

Well, it basically means you grew up without hot water, and you grew up without a phone, and we had a car. But actually, if I looked at the ground, I could see the street. So, you know, and I didn't miss any meals. I have no complaints. But. And I got a good education. But point I want to make is, when I came to America, I was stunned by the abundance of the ordinary guy.

A (24:21)

How old were you when you came to America?

D (24:23)

I was 17. I came as a student.

A (24:25)

So what you're saying is, I know this is one of the only countries where you can be poor and have three TV sets.

D (24:32)

Exactly. Or you can be poor and £300, for that matter. The Indian poor are emaciated. They look like their bones are about to fall off. And so I said, you know, every country looks after the rich guy. In India, you got super rich guys, and they all live fantastically at a level you can't even imagine. But a country is sort of judged by what kind of life it gives to the ordinary guy, and maybe even the guy who's not that hardworking and not that smart. And I notice a guy who's not that hardworking and not that smart in America has two cars and a nice garage, and if he lives in California, sometimes a little pool in the backyard, and he's got indoor plumbing and central heat. And I thought, wow, this country is making it pretty nice for its ordinary citizens.

A (25:14)

I want to hear the rest of your story in a second. I want to hear this Elizabeth Warren thing that always makes me want to yak first, just because we're talking about. It's from. From Dinesh's new doc, which is out on July 4th.

D (25:28)

July 2nd. It goes nationwide.

A (25:29)

July 2nd, sir. It's only right when we ask everyone.

B (25:33)

To pay their fair share.

A (25:34)

Ask everyone to pay their fair share.

D (25:36)

Pay their fair share.

A (25:37)

There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own.

D (25:42)

Nobody.

A (25:43)

You built a factory out there. Good for you. But I want to be clear. You built a. By the way, stop it for a second. First off, it's like, thank you for letting me build a factory. Your cuntness. Like, she has disdain for the people that built something. Like, she's fine. I'll let you have your stinking factory with your 500 employees in your huge tax base. Okay, so, all right, I'm in a good mood. I'll let you have a factory. Thank you, your highness. Thank you for letting me build. Build a factory. I just love the idea. It's like, fine, you got your stinking factory with your jobs.

D (26:18)

Can you imagine? As you know, my daughter's in the studio, just finished her freshman year in college. Imagine if I said, here, you know, young lady, you know, you got some good grades in the sat. Fine. But you drove to take the test on the roads that the rest of us use. You don't deserve credit for your SAT scores because you took roads. She'd think I was nuts.

A (26:41)

Well, we'll listen the rest of her tirade. It sounds insane. Nobody in this country who got rich on his own.

D (26:49)

Nobody.

A (26:50)

You built a factory out there. Good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. Oh, my God. I mean, first off, forget about whatever you feel toward her. Can you imagine? And by the way, I always just say stupid or liar. I'm assuming she's just a liar and telling the people who are listening to her who don't own factories what they want to hear. I don't imagine she's that stupid because she's an educated woman. Could you imagine, Just forget about politics. Just from a pure logic based standpoint, if this person was running your Fortune 500 company, like, I don't even know what. What is the logic that she's using? I don't even know what she's saying. It's pure rhetoric. She's talking to people that she thinks are dumb and she's telling them what they want to hear. But what is she saying?

D (27:57)

Well, what she's saying at the first glance seems kind of self evident, and I wouldn't disagree with it. That looks there is an infrastructure in any society, and that infrastructure is necessary for us to do what we do. Right? In other words, obviously you and I couldn't be doing this podcast if we didn't have air to breathe. So there's a necessary infrastructure. But after stating that self evident fact, you really realize what she's up to is something a little different. She's not saying, hey, listen, if a great teacher taught you, go back and thank her, or you might want to Give her a little bonus, because after all, she taught you those math skills and today you're a software genius. No, she's not. What she's doing is she's trying to detach effort from reward.

A (28:36)

Right.

D (28:37)

She's trying to say wealth is not created by Adam Carolla or Steve Jobs. Wealth is kind of created by all of us collectively. Society creates wealth, and thus give some.

A (28:48)

Of it back, a lot of it back.

D (28:49)

That the greedy entrepreneur is sort of stealing it. And therefore society has a right to kind of pick your pocket because they're only taking back the stuff that belongs to everybody that you are in possession of.

A (29:00)

Well, also, so this notion, which just took flight very recently in this country, that wealth and prosperity is some sort of Mason jar of M and Ms, and that Steve Jobs reached in and grabbed a whole bunch and took all the ones away that my parents were going to grab or my kids were looking to grab, or that I was going to grab, or that the guy drives the tractor or the backhoe or works at the post office. It's somehow this notion that these guys, that there's this finite amount of M and Ms. And that somebody's hoarding, these fat cats are hoarding, and now there's not enough left for the hard working people who, you know, drive the school buses and teach your kids, and our cops are firemen. And it's. No, it's not that Steve Jobs created something that a bunch of people wanted and added more M and Ms. To this jar or got 10 more jars.

D (30:03)

You're now touching on a really important point. When I was a kid in high school in India, I'd go to school with a pocket full of marbles and none of us had any money. And so I realized that the only way for me to get more marbles is to get somebody else's marbles. Because the number of marbles was finite.

A (30:19)

Right?

D (30:20)

Right. And in the old world, wealth was like that. Wealth was in land, and if you got more, somebody else was going to have less. I think the beauty of our productive, innovative economy is here comes Steve Jobs. And what's interesting is there's no demand for his product. No one even knew they wanted it. He made it first.

A (30:37)

Right?

D (30:37)

Right. He created the demand. He came up with something that you and I didn't even know we wanted or needed. But once he offered it, we're like, hey, that's cool. We'd like to get one. And the most, the highest entrepreneurial rewards go to entrepreneurs like that. In other words, they're not just Supplying the food that people demand. They're creating new needs and new wants and in a sense, multiplying the possibilities available to life in America.

A (31:02)

All right, now, don't let me forget because I can just go all day with you. Don't let me forget to get to your background. Speaking of what guys want, guys Choice Awards this Wednesday. Only one place where the biggest names in entertainment gather for all Things Guy. Spike TV. Guy's Choice Awards this Wednesday, 9pm Kevin Hart's getting the Mantler's Award. Long overdue if you ask this. Broadcaster Matt McConaughey is gonna get an award. Sandra Bullock and Johnny Knoxville and appearances by Keanu Reeves and Mark Wahlberg. And sports illustrate swimsuit models. And key and Peele and Cameron Diaz and Jessica Alba and Jessica. Oh, I should say Jason Siegel. Let's not confuse the two. Olivia Munn. I just think I made one of the funniest and best looking comedic actors of all time. Jessica Siegel. Ah, Grab life by the Mantlers. Guy's choice this Wednesday, June 11th, 9pm Only on Spike. So much more to get into. But your background. So you grow up middle class, but that's poor middle class for. I mean, I mean, what you have in India is when you say poverty, you have Slumdog Millionaire poverty, like real poverty.

D (32:27)

Exactly. And much of the world is like that. I think when I came to America, I remember seeing it for the first time, seeing the Statue of Liberty, seeing New York City. I think what occurred to me wasn't just that I was in a place of abundance, but also I was in a place of possibilities, that there are things you can do with your life here, just like what you. And I do that if I went to my father or my grandfather and said, you know, I want to do a podcast or I want to be a comedian or I want to make films, he would have my head examined. So America offers you a way to be the architect of your own destiny or write the script of your own life in a way that I don't think any other country does.

A (33:06)

Even today, right now. Look, and I've said it to everybody. Well, it's always insane. Somebody just sent me a tweet and it was Morgan Freeman. And he was talking to, he was being interviewed by. I'll get his name in a second. But cnn, as a black newscaster on cnn. And he's talking to him about racism and what do you think about racism and what do you think about the disparity between. And how can you overcome. And blah, blah, blah. And Morgan Freeman said, no. And the guy went, like, what? And he went, well, we're here, aren't we? I mean, you're a broadcaster and I'm a celebrity, and here we are, like, whoa, what are we talking about? And the idea that we can talk about it, you know, that Oprah Winfrey can be a female and be black and be the richest person in our country, and yet we can still talk about how we're never ending struggle and holding down the women and holding down African Americans and all that kind of stuff. It just seems almost insane to me that we never stop that discussion.

D (34:18)

Right. And part of what. Part of the mystery I try to unravel in this book, America, and to some degree in the film as well, is why is this going on? I call it the shaming of America.

A (34:27)

Yes.

D (34:27)

Because all this started independently, right? We took the country from the Indians, and there were Native Americans saying that. And then we stole the labor of the African Americans. That was another thing. And then we took half of Mexico in the Mexican War. And what's really interesting is someone sat down at some point and brought all these shaming narratives together, and it basically became, I call it America the Inexcusable we suck. We're the worst country in the world. Now I'm an immigrant, and I'm, like, laughing my head off because I'm thinking, compared to what? You know.

A (34:55)

Yes, compared to what? And that, you know, in the documentary, one thing that I thought was really eye opening to me, which was, you have one Indian tribe, and they're going, that's our land. That's our land. That's our sacred land. Yeah, but you stole it from another tribe, and they stole it from two other tribes. So who's right? You guys did the exact same thing we did. So you bring up India, you bring up the uk, all the different. All the different folks that rolled through.

D (35:27)

There historically, you know, we were interviewing somebody actually was a Native American activist for the film. And I left this out of the movie because I didn't actually want to make this person look bad. But I kept saying. I said, look, there were all these peaceful tribes, the Hopi, the Pueblo, and so on. And then there were all the rather tough tribes, like the Arapaho and the Navajo. And so the strong tribes conquered the weak tribes. So when the white man got here, pretty much every Indian tribe occupying land had gotten it from some other tribe, right? And this person goes, actually, no, we have been here since the time of the dinosaurs. And I had to pause. I'm like, are you actually saying the dinosaurs? Absolutely, yes. Since the time of the. I said let's leave it out of the movie. It's just too much to take.

A (36:09)

Is that the guy was smoking.

D (36:11)

People didn't grow out of the ground at the time of the dinosaurs, Right?

A (36:15)

So when you look at all this, you know, we enslaved the people and we raped the land and all, you know, all this again. We're in the Middle east for the oil. Really? Five bucks a gallon out here for premium in California. Why aren't we taken over? I mean, but look, I'm all for taking the oil, but why aren't we doing it? This notion of like, oh let's please, that's a fight over there for oil. Like, I wish it were. I wish it were too. All right, let me just play a clip that I particularly liked, which was Madam Walker and I'll tie it into my kid's eighth birthday and something I should have learned. This is a little bit longer, but it's something you never read about in the history books. I never heard about it. Dinesh brought it up in his doc and I thought it was really interesting. So go ahead.

D (37:08)

Meet Sarah Breedlove, also known as Madam C.J.

A (37:12)

Walker.

D (37:14)

She started selling her own hair care products door to door.

A (37:29)

Now what year is this?

D (37:31)

So this would be in the early part of the 20th century, between 1900 and about 1910. Now here's a Madame C.J. walker became the first self made female millionaire in America.

A (37:53)

Good morning.

C (37:54)

Good morning ladies. I'm back to work.

A (38:03)

So she's started a factory. But this is speech I like.

C (38:09)

But only by your vision of who you can become. Today you see a success. And I hear many you of you say, but Madam Walker, I just don't have the opportunities you have. And I respond, really? I was the first freeborn in my family. Orphaned at age 7, married at 14 and widowed with child by 20. I'm a woman that came from the cotton fields of the south. From there I was promoted to the washtub. From there I was promoted to the cook kitchen. From there I promoted myself to the business of manufacturing hair goods and preparations. I have built my own factory on my own ground. I got my start by giving myself a start. Ladies, there is no flower strewn path to success. And if there is, I haven't found them. If I've accomplished anything in my life, it's because I was willing to work hard.

D (39:12)

What a role model. So why is she left out of the history books? Because she confounds the shame narrative. She's An African American success story.

A (39:22)

Right? We got it. And I had.

D (39:25)

You can't have it. This was during segregation. This is in the height of segregation. A woman who's an entrepreneurial success. And so our history books are telling a morality tale. It's a morality tale of American oppression. And any stories that don't draw fit have got to be very delicately treated or left out altogether.

A (39:43)

You know, it's an interesting thing. It's what we call a first world problem. But I had this moment, which was I was celebrating with my twins, and I took them out for their birthday was yesterday. And I took them. Hold on, let me pass something on to somebody. Yeah, they're looking for that Morgan Freeman thing. I don't know. You having trouble, Gary? Yeah, you got. No, I know, but you have the write in. It's a favorite tweet, but anyway, you can look it up. So I took my wife and kids out for their birthday, for their eighth birthday, and we got, you know, hey, it's your birthday. And we got the desserts. You know, they brought the cake and stuff like that. And my son just had a bowl of whipped cream because he eats like a puss. He really does. He's weird. He likes carrots and celery and stuff like that. But then there's other things. It's just off limits to him. So he's simply just eating this whipped cream. And I go and I grab. I know he likes fruit. I grab a spoonful of the strawberry with the raspberry little compote. It's got some of the syrup and the juice on it, and I just sort of dump it on top of his little bowl of whipped cream. And I go, there you go. You got some fruit and some whipped cream. So I don't have to just sit there and watch him literally just eat lard in front of me, you know, and he picks out a strawberry, and he eats a strawberry. And then he says, dad, you got the syrup, the red syrup on my whipped cream, and you ruinedyou ruined my whipped cream. And I said, it's fine. It's whipped cream that now tastes like strawberry. You just ate a strawberry. You like strawberries? And he went, but, dad. And then my wife chimed in, and she said, dad, why'd you do that? And I said, I gave a. I had a really weird visceral reaction to it, maybe a little too strong. I was like, quiet. And she was like, you ruined his whipped cream. And I said, don't say that. Don't say it in front of him. Don't say it in front of him. And then the next thing you know, he was like, yeah, it's ruined. And then my daughter jumps in on the bandwagon. Look at it. It's ruined. And I said, it's not ruined. It's fine. It's fine. Mommy, be quiet. It. Don't start feeding him stuff. What you should be saying is, don't worry about it. It's fine. Move on. Eat around it or eat it up, whatever it is. Let's not all. And the second the whole table turned on me, they'd all made a mountain out of a molehill of whipped cream. But the point is, the second my wife jumped in and said, what did you do to him? Everyone else turned on me, and he turned on me. And they all realized. And said, oh, now I can't eat what's in front of me. And I realized the narrative of, you're not up to this. You've been enslaved, you've been challenged. You can't go forth. You can't be prosperous. You can't. It's a horrible narrative.

D (42:43)

Horrible.

A (42:43)

Don't say it. Admit that it. Address it. Yes, it happened. Yes, this went on. Now let's move forward. Let's go.

D (42:55)

When I came to America and I went to college here, and I was thinking of becoming an American citizen, and I was scared of it, because the immigrant is a bit like a man on a tightrope. And you're walking between two tall buildings. So the first building is India, and the next building is America. Now, at some point, as you walk out on the tightrope, you've left India. You're far enough away that you don't feel Indian. But you're not America either. You're in between. You're the man in the middle. It's really precarious. And there's an impulse that wants you to run back right now. But if you're gonna become an American, you can't do that. You gotta fight that, and you gotta move ahead. But what happens on the college campus today is what's called multiculturalism. And multiculturalism is. No, Dinesh, you don't actually need to keep going. You can actually have India and America. In fact, you can have India in America. So you don't actually need to make this brave choice of continuing to walk on the tightrope and embrace America and assimilate to the American way of life and become American. And so that's. That's my point is this is already a terrifying thing to do. It requires courage and multiculturalism tells people you don't have to do it again.

A (44:06)

Whether it's, you don't need to learn to speak English because you speak Spanish, and this was your land and you live in Texas and your forefathers own that land, and so why should you speak English? You're not helping anybody who you're attempting to help by talking them into not talking.

D (44:26)

Right. You can get by with Spanish if you live in Miami, but if you want to live anywhere else, you kind of need to know some English.

A (44:32)

It'd be nice. And I'm not saying it because I hate you or I hate your culture. I'm saying it because I love you and I want you to get further along.

D (44:41)

Believe me, that's the part that's. The immigrants know this. The people who are corrupting the immigrants are the leftists in this country. The immigrants aren't the problem. If you let the immigrants to their own, they'd all be learning English. Sure, that's why they come here. I mean, they're coming. The immigrants. I once told a professor of mine, you keep telling me about cultural relativism. All cultures are basically equal. I go, actually, if all cultures are basically equal, I would never have left home, because it's much easier to hang around with your own family and your own pals and the world you grew up in. But the reason the immigrant picks up and leaves all that behind is they're voting with their feet in the most decisive way possible, against their own culture and in favor of another culture, because they think it's better.

A (45:21)

I been saying that for a long time. That's all this country was and is sadly turning into a bunch of little islands of culture in an island chain when it used to just be one big island with all the sort of cultures on it. And by the way, you're always going to have a Latin culture, an Italian culture, and a black culture. You're always going to have that. Why the big separations now? I don't. That is not going to serve anybody. And it's certainly not. It's not going to serve the culture that's separating either.

D (45:58)

And the latest version of this is now the gay rights, right? We had the minority rights, we had the women's rights. And the problem is, I believe we're all, in this country, a minority of one. We're individuals and we have rights as individuals. End of story. We don't actually need group rights because our rights accrue to us as individuals.

A (46:15)

Bono, who I normally like to harp on, was actually quite eloquent about that. In a segment of the doc, we got Morgan Freeman's little cnn. I think it was Don Lemon. I think he was speaking to. I'm pretty sure it was him.

D (46:35)

It didn't look like him to me.

A (46:36)

But it could be. I've been all black people look the same to you, Gary. It is, Don. They do all look the same to me.

D (46:41)

I'm very.

A (46:42)

How come when I say it is the guy you give the look of.

D (46:46)

I didn't recognize him, but I'm.

A (46:47)

How does the guy not look like the guy? I'm being told I'm wrong.

D (46:50)

I'm sorry.

A (46:51)

Yes. You're being told twice that you're wrong.

D (46:53)

My mistake.

A (46:54)

Question is wise. First impulse to go, Charles Nelson Riley. That doesn't look like Charles Nelson Riley. Except for it is Charles Nelson Riley. Well, you said Don Rickles, so what.

D (47:02)

Am I supposed to think?

A (47:03)

Oh, I did. Anyway, yeah, we got the clip. I'll tell you what, where were we? Oh, now put on hold for one second. Let's take a very quick break and we'll come back with Dinesh d', Souza, America, Imagine a world without her. Great documentary coming out July 2nd. Also the book, same title, out as we speak. We'll be right back. All right, back with Dinesh d' Souza doing a special little one on one. Here's the Morgan Freeman clip. I thought what you said was fascinating because you called it bull when you.

D (47:42)

Said people can't pull themselves up.

A (47:44)

Do you think that race plays a.

E (47:45)

Part in wealth distribution or either a mindset that you can't today?

A (47:49)

Yeah.

F (47:50)

No, you don't.

A (47:51)

No, I don't. I know.

D (47:54)

You and I, we're proof.

F (47:55)

Why would race have anything to do with it? Stick.

D (47:58)

You put your mind to what you want to do and go for that.

A (48:02)

It's all right.

D (48:03)

Kind of like I'm startled by that.

A (48:06)

That's actually just.

D (48:07)

Well, just the straightforwardness of it. And I don't know if he realizes, but if he went and said that on a camp, they would be like people fainting.

A (48:13)

Well, he'd never get to speak on another campus. That'd be the end of the campus speaking, that's for goddamn sure. But what is the wealth distribution part? As I was. These are all new things to me. Like what do you mean wealth? Who's distributing the money?

D (48:31)

Exactly. As if there's some committee handing it out. You know, this is the weird thing, America, when this all started in the 1930s with FDR, it started with widows and orphans. There are people who can't look after themselves. And so we're a rich country. Why don't we make some allowance and figure out some ways to take care of them? I think that most of us agree on that. There's a consensus on that in our society. But this idea that if you're driving a Mercedes and I'm driving a Hyundai, that's inherently unjust. Why?

A (48:57)

I don't know. And I think the plan, at least as I hear it, is I'm gonna sell the Mercedes, you're gonna sell the Hyundai, and we're both gonna drive a Camry. That's the America that we want to live in. Here's the problem. The problem is, despite what is being force fed to everybody about the silver spoon and the rich daddy and all that kind of stuff, 90% of the guys that are driving the Mercedes worked weekends, worked two jobs in college, got a higher degree, got specialized training, essentially busted their humps to get to that point in life where now they can drive the Mercedes. And if you stop them, if you take that Mercedes away from them or don't give them incentive to get the second Mercedes, we're going to be in bad shape.

D (49:50)

The other thing is, if you peek into the Mercedes, you'll probably notice that the guy driving it is 60 years old. That same guy was driving a Hyundai when he was 25.

A (49:58)

Well, that's, you know what I say?

D (50:00)

That's the American story.

A (50:01)

Well, what I say to everybody when they talk about now I had this thought I was thinking about, they're always constantly talking about, oh, we got to raise the minimum wage to a living wage. We got to get to $15 an hour. What that does, it's an interesting thing. There's rent control and there's raising the minimum wage. These are both left leaning notions. That doesn't help anyone because the day you tell a guy you'll get $15 an hour for turning a burger, and by the way, I found you an apartment in Santa Monica that's 1,000 bucks off fair market value. Guess who. 40 years from now, when you're in your 60s, guess who's going to be living in an apartment? Not a homeowner. Guess who's going to be living in an apartment and working at McDonald's? You will, because we made it comfortable for you to do it. We made it feasible for you to do it. When I worked at McDonald's in 1979 and 1980, I got $2.42 an hour. I knew I had to get out of this job before high school. I was never gonna be able to get my own apartment and pay rent and buy a pickup truck and do all those things at this wage. If you would have gave me the 15 bucks an hour and gave me a rent control apartment, I'd probably still be in both places right now.

D (51:21)

Yeah. You know, the reason capitalism works is it relies on information that the guy possesses, who on the spot. So if I were to ask you right now in New York City, what's happening at Lexington and 43rd street, you don't know? I don't know. Obama doesn't know. There aren't any bureaucrats in Washington who know. But the hot dog guy who works on that corner, he knows. The guy who's thinking of opening a store right there, he knows. The guy who lives right there, he knows. So the point is, capitalism works because people who are local make decisions about, well, looks like we could use another hot dog stand over here. Or it would be good to open a Starbucks right here because there isn't one in three block radius or whatever. So when the central planners come in, they go, oh, we think that there were too many computers made last year. How the heck do they know? Obama goes, you know, I think there are too many people flying corporate jets.

A (52:11)

Right.

D (52:11)

He flies a corporate jet, by the way, which we pay for. At least the CEOs are paying for their own jets.

A (52:20)

Like I, you know, it's like I keep saying, what is the alternative? What is the plan? I mean, I talk to these politicians and I talk to Lieutenant Governor of California Gavin Newsom, and he tells me once the check cashing places close down, and I said, well, if the families that frequent the check cashing places would focus on family and education, then the places would close down by themselves. But you just want to close them down. That's not going to stop the problem. That's just going to mean there's a bunch of poor folks who don't have a place to cash their checks. What is your plan? His plan is no plan. His plan is hide behind his own rhetoric and say that that's what he believes.

D (53:04)

Or to force the 711 in the inner city not to charge more than the 711 in the suburbs even though its insurance costs are higher. You know, it's dealing with all kinds of problems that you don't have if you're in the suburbs.

A (53:16)

Right. But getting the folks at 711 to change their model is not a solution. And if it is, it's a falsely subsidized solution. The solution is, let's focus on the family, the inner city, education, and see what we can do to fix that. And then the free market will take care of that. 7:11.

D (53:40)

You know what I never thought I'd see in my lifetime is that this great American formula of wealth creation that's made us the envy of the world is now being adopted in India and China, to a lesser degree in Brazil, and we're losing it at home. So it's our recipe, and other people are running with it right now.

A (53:56)

I agree. There's a call that's been on the line for a while. Derek, 43, from Michigan.

G (54:03)

Yeah.

A (54:03)

Hi, guys.

G (54:03)

Dinesh, I've been a big fan of yours ever since you wrote that book about Ronald Reagan about, what, 10, 15 years ago. And Adam, I've been a fan of yours since the Man Show. And if you guys just had Dennis Miller sitting with you, I'd probably be the happiest guy in all of the world.

A (54:18)

Dennis would be miserable, but yeah, Dinesh.

G (54:21)

Actually, I heard you on Dennis Miller show earlier this week, and I love your optimism. But I've got a side with him to a certain extent that I think there's a bunch of people like him that have just shrugged. And my question for you is, what is going to prevent us from being like Europe in 70 years? Because it seems that that's where we're at. We are literally 70 years behind where Europe was. We've got the Affordable Care act now, which Europe has right after World War II. And I think it's just a matter of time before we end up with six weeks of mandatory vacation like Germany does. And you're going to see our kids rioting in the streets like the French were a couple years ago, because heaven forbid we cut the retirement age and we raised the retirement age by two years. And it just seems to me that when you start giving people government programs like this, you can't put that genie back in the bottle. And I think it's just a matter of time before the rest of the country shrugs and we're going to be in even worse shape.

A (55:17)

Thanks, Darren. Yeah. Dennis Miller, by the way, he just seems like he's just packing it in in terms of his hope for this country. He has a, he's a smart guy. He's a funny guy, but his thing is, like, I don't, you know, look, I'm going to be dead in 20 years, and you guys are on your own.

D (55:38)

Well, if we keep going at this pace, I mean, look, Obama, in these six years, we have doubled the national debt now that's kind of an arresting thought, right? We have $8.5 trillion and in six years this guy has taken it to 17 trillion. Now you think that would be in the news, But I think we're in a very bizarre time when it's almost as if a lot of our journalist types, so called, they don't want the first African American to fail. And so they got to suppress the bad news and they got to. We've got a courtier press like at the French court, where the basically prancing around and lavishing praise on the aristocrats. I mean it's embarrassing. So I can see where the pessimism is coming from. It's like information isn't getting out there. I mean, the reason I switched careers, I'm a think tank guy. I write books and I write books now, but I'm making movies because I find, you know, 2016 was seen by 8 million people. My last book was number one in the New York Times bestseller list, 150,000 copies. So I think that when you give information to people, people, Americans are unbelievably commonsensical. They hear it, they're like, that makes sense. But the problem is Republican candidates have been inept. I mean, one thing you got to give Obama is he's determined and he's articulate and he fights for what he believes in. I think the counter to him is the disinfectant of truth. And this documentary is just trying to lift the curtain. First step toward doing that.

A (57:03)

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D (59:04)

Well, I had never been out of the country, and I was a fellow came to our school, and he was with the Rotary Club, and he said, we're doing this global exchange program, and we said, bring American kids to India, and would you be. Would some of you guys want to go to America and study for a year? And I talked it over to my parents, and they thought that'd be really good for me. And, boy, I came and I never left.

A (59:26)

The Indian, at least Eastern Indian culture, seems to just been kicking ass in this country in the last few years, or I didn't notice it 10 years ago, but I look around now, and I'm like, they're winning every spelling bee. Every doctor I have is of descent. Like, they're just kicking ass. Is it the parents? What's going on?

D (59:49)

Well, India is so tough and so competitive. Get into a private school. I mean, the lions are on the block. I mean, there was an article a few years ago about, you know, parents slapping each other because their kids failed the test to get into an elite school. And so the Indians develop, you know, kind of a Himalayan work ethic, you might say. Now, what they don't have is opportunity. And quite frankly, the Indian schools do not teach critical reasoning. But when the Indian kids come here, they have opportunity. They've got really good colleges. And so their work ethic, their rote memorization, you know, the putting in six hours a day on homework, all that stuff pays off big time, because now it's in a. You're basically dropping seed into very fertile ground.

A (60:30)

So what year is it that you come here?

D (60:32)

Well, I came in 1978 and I was a freshman in college in 79.

A (60:36)

And how much the thing I keep trying to tell everybody about discrimination is if you are a racist, you're a racist. Like you don't like other cultures, other, you know, it's like it's sort of a Hitler thing. Like he liked Aryan folks, he liked blue eyed folks. He wasn't a fan of gypsies or Jews or blacks or retarded people. He didn't like everybody. So the thing that I keep confounding me as I keep explaining to people, you don't get it. If the blue eyed devil was really racist and really doing his job, he wouldn't just pick out a couple of races, he'd pick out the Jews would be included. And certainly eastern Indian folks. I mean, I went to when I was in junior high in North Hollywood. There wasn't a whole lot of Indian folk back in North Hollywood in the later 70s. There was one Indian kid, his name was Aaz Sheikh and he looked completely different than everybody else in that school. And we had, you know, one or two of everything in that school. But Ayaz was, looked really different and he was, we recognized he was different, but that's about where it ended. And I'm sure we had our jokes with him and mimicked his accent a little bit. And he didn't help himself by putting on a bunch of brill cream. And while everyone else had, you know, everyone else looked like Leif Garrett and all the chicks looked like Suzanne Somers or Farrah Fawcett, he had like the brill cream with the 60s, you know, bad, you know, Mad Men combover and everything was a little bit crazy. But the point is, as the white devil, we would have held him back. Like we would have held like we're doing with every other group we're allegedly holding back, but yet we couldn't because.

D (62:35)

Well, yeah, you know, I came to this country.

A (62:38)

Were you discriminated against? Were you bullied? What happened?

D (62:43)

Never have I seen a topic in this case racism more less experienced and more talked about. In other words, when I was in college, the talk of racism was everywhere and the reality was no one could find it. In fact, even no matter who you talk to, you say, when is the last time it happened to you? Oh, it didn't happen to me, but it's everywhere. It's everywhere. So after a while I Realized what happened was the professors started talking about institutional racism, by which they meant racism so invisible that nobody knows where it is. It's underground. It's covert. So. So what's really happened, I think, in our society is this racism thing is often used as a shaming tactic. But the shaming tactic is in the full knowledge that the person being accused cannot possibly be a racist. And here's why. If somebody were to come to me and say, hey, you're an Indian, I would go, yes, I am. Thank you very much. But they say you're a racist because they want you to defend yourself. You're going to go, no, I'm not. I'm not a racist. The very fact that you're defending yourself shows that you have a moral code that's anti racist. Otherwise the charge wouldn't work. The accusation only works if you're willing to acknowledge that racism is bad. So our whole society is there now. Our whole society has no tolerance for racism. None.

A (63:56)

Right.

D (63:57)

And so we've come an awful long way. Look, I wouldn't want to be an immigrant coming, let's say, from Mexico or from India in 1910. I know enough history to know life would have been more difficult for me.

A (64:08)

Me.

D (64:08)

But, boy, this is a different America.

A (64:11)

You talked about something that was interesting in your documentary about the Irish and the indentured servitude and coming over here in the thousands.

D (64:22)

Yeah. We do some naughty. It's not naughty. It's really needed. Hidden history. I call it in the book, and I do more of it in the film. Because what happens is the leftist narrative of shame relies on leaving a whole bunch of stuff out.

A (64:35)

Sure.

D (64:36)

And if they don't leave it out, the story doesn't work. So they've got to rig the facts. And so what we do is we go, okay, well, let's put in a few inconvenient facts that don't fit your narrative. You mentioned the Irish indentured servitude. You know, there were 2 to 300,000 indentured servants brought to America. Much of the work that was done in early America was done by indentured servants.

A (64:56)

Mm.

D (64:56)

And indentured servants worked alongside white slaves. Yes. Their period was typically for seven years, but most of them got into debt. Their terms were extended. Some of them died as indentured servants. So when you look at it, the actual treatment was not all that different. There wasn't the racial dehumanization. I do want to emphasize that, because the indentured servants were white. But even then, people Put up signs, no Irish need apply, and so on. So even there, prejudice was alive and well.

A (65:26)

I got another phone call for you and us. Andrew, 23, South Carolina.

G (65:34)

Hey, Adam.

A (65:35)

Hey. How are you?

G (65:37)

Good. How about yourself?

A (65:38)

Good. Say hi to Dinesh d'.

E (65:40)

Souza.

G (65:41)

Yeah, Dinesh, big fan of your movies. I saw 2016. I just want to get your opinion on the five terrorists that we treated for one kind of shady soldier there. Just kind of how it plays into how you say, how America's kind of losing our standing in the world. It's the superpower.

A (66:05)

What's your. You know, what I'd like to know from someone as educated and thoughtful as you is why would we and or Obama do that in the face of what is going to be a storm of bad publicity? It was flying under everyone's radar and now it's on everyone's radar. And it's not a good thing.

D (66:29)

No.

A (66:29)

Why would you do that now? I said it's a second term thing. I don't think you do it in the first term.

D (66:36)

Yeah, but I don't think they. Look, I think this is a case where we have to make a big difference here. There's a difference between incompetence and which. Now incompetence is sort of defined by Jimmy Carter. So let me give an example. Jimmy Carter yanked the Persian rug out from under the Shah and whoops, he got Khomeini. This is called, you know, being a nincompoop, Right? It's called trying to get rid of the bad guy and you get the worst guy.

A (67:01)

Right.

D (67:01)

See, Carter didn't know that. Carter was a fool. Obama's not a fool. Obama has an ideology. And his ideology is that we, the United States in Iraq and Afghanistan and then historically in Cuba and Guatemala and on and off on. We're the bad guy. We're the imperialist power. We're the ones who are throwing our weight around the world. And if we're the bad guy, then the people fighting against us must be, from their point of view, freedom fighters. Just like if apartheid is bad, then Mandela fighting against it has gotta be a freedom fighter. So Obama looks at these Taliban guys. I'm not saying he likes them. I'm not saying he's a secret Muslim. No. But he looks at them as they're fighting American oppression. And I, Obama, can understand that. So Obama looks at it and that's why here's Obama chuckling and chortling and so on. He had no idea that the American people, even Democrats, would see this quite differently.

A (67:53)

Well, what's in it for him, I guess, is what I'm saying.

D (67:59)

His worldview, the way he looks at it, just like in, you know, from the 1940s to the 1980s, the Soviet Union was the evil empire we were trying to contain, which is to say control. I think Obama's view is that today, who needs to be controlled? We do. We're the world's sole superpower. You know, if you listen carefully to what he says, he always implies that we're the bully. He doesn't even seem happy that we're the world's sole superpower. He once said something like this. Like it or not, we're the world soul. Super. Like it or not, it's almost like he'd rather we weren't. But since we are, you know, so this is a very strange guy we've put into the White House. Now, I don't think the American people knew that. This is why, unlike Dennis Miller, I'm not down on the American people. I think Obama kind of flum, you know, he kind of sold him a bill of goods. And because of the press, six years later, we're still sitting in the dark, but we're waking up.

A (68:50)

Tell me what you think about this, just from a psychological standpoint, because I was trying to think, you know, I was listening and watching you on Bill Maher's program and seeing real time and seeing you and Bill unite, which is interesting on the topic of Islamic terror and fighting. All the people that are, you know, all the Ariana Huffingtons that are constantly, you know, pushing back and saying not everyone and not all and you're saying, and blah, blah, blah. I have a theory about this. I need to do a quick spot and then I want to ask you your opinion on it. E Voice, baby. Oh, you got a business. You got a small business. You didn't build that yourself, but let's say you'd like to continue building it with the help of Evoice. It's a better way you can connect with your clients. Get your own toll free number, professional greeting dial by name directory and more. You can transform any phone into your business phone. Customer calls are sent wherever you are. Home, office, the beach, the bar s and M, dungeon, wherever you like. Doesn't matter. Evoice takes care of it. Right now my listeners can try eVoice Free. Free, 30 days free, 5 bucks off every month and that's under 8 bucks per month. So you can try evoice free for 30 days and get the 5 bucks discount. Again, under $8 a month. Let's not put this off. Hit pause right now. Go to evoice.com set up your free trial. Enter the promo code Adam for an additional five bucks off per month. That's evoice.com promo code Adam. So I grew up with some very progressive people, and I had the food stamps and the welfare, and it's always. I always found it ironic that the people that were getting the most from the government, meaning my mom, food stamps and welfare, hated the government the most. It's. It's not a coincidence. It's. She's shamed. And it's like the. You know, it's like when the dad says, look, you know, I'll pay for your car, but you gotta do some chores. You get angry at the dad instead of thinking, why can't I pay for my own car? Which is really the way you should be thinking. But either way, I grew up with a very progressive group of people. And my grandmother was even sort of communist for a while, way back in the day. And then my mom. I grew up on a steady diet of that. Well, the Soviets, they love their children, too, and they're good people, and they're just people like we are, and our government and Reagan has ginned up all this stuff. But if you went over there, you'd hear another side of the story and blah, blah, blah. And then I started thinking about someone like my grandmother who was very for human rights and very for women's rights and very for minorities rights and stuff that all. Stuff that would not fly over there in the Soviet. You could put in a gulag if you were my grandmother. My grandmother, one of her best friends was a guy who was gay, and he wore dress and beads. He'd be locked up in that environment, put somewhere in Siberia. So why are you such a big fan of this regime when it flies in the face of everything you talk about? And then I realized, you don't love communism. Nobody loves communism. Communism sucks. What you are is you're angry and you're rebelling against our system. It's not that you love the other system. It's one thing, you know, it's like me with the Patriots. I don't love the Baltimore Ravens. I just hate the Patriots. And I want to see the Ravens win whenever they play the Patriots, right? So, ironically, using the Patriots as an example, I don't think my grandmother loves communism. I don't think my mother loved the Soviet Union. She's angry at our country and the people that are constantly talking about, you know, the Islamic world and pushing back on guys like you and Bill Maher and guys like that saying, are they big fans of that religion, of that government, of that way of life? Are they big fans of that? Or are they just sort of angry and mad at us?

D (73:14)

Right. I think you put your finger on it completely. In other words, what they're doing is they're projecting their dissatisfaction and even hatred of their own small town or their pastor or their, what they see as the provincialism of American life. And they are fantasizing something about Islam that is not so. But what to me is amazing is that when the Muslims try to, to clearly say we're not, okay, here's an honor killing to prove that we're not what you think we are, the left sort of averts its gaze and they go, well, it can't be that, or that's not typical. That's not coming from Islam. It's some sort of aberration. These people aren't true Muslims, and so on. Well, I mean, I think it's really funny when you got people like Obama telling the Muslims who are the true.

A (73:59)

Muslims, it's insane that women's rights and gay rights and minority rights or religious freedom and stuff is all, all the stuff. They never stop ringing that bell on the left. And then here's a group that is not down with any of that stuff. And you've decided, Arianna Huffington, to defend them vehemently.

D (74:19)

The Muslims today, the radical Muslims, are the most illiberal force in the world. And ironically, in America, they have the protection of the liberals and they've turned.

A (74:28)

On Israel, which is insane to me. I mean, I don't have a dog in this fight. I'm not Jewish, I'm not religious, I'm not anything but it. Just as a guy who's standing on the outside, just sort of looking in, I'm thinking, is Israel the problem in.

D (74:46)

That territory, right here's this little oasis in this big desert, you know, and these guys are productive, they've got a successful economy, they're a democracy, and there's plenty of room outside of Israel, and yet everybody's on Israel. I think it's because, to be honest, I think Israel is taking our hit. Israel is seen as the little Satan. That's the extension of the great Satan, which is the United States.

A (75:11)

I had from Dinesh's documentary Imagine a World without her. There was another clip that I wanted to play that I thought was very interesting. And it's so funny because Dr. Drew would sit around and talk About. Is it Alexis de Tocqueville, if I'm pronouncing that right?

D (75:32)

Yep.

A (75:32)

And he'd always quote him. And me, I have no formal education, so I have no. I never had any idea who he was talking about, but he was sort of a Frenchman who wandered the United.

D (75:43)

States around about 18, in the 1820s. About the 1820s, maybe early 30s, and.

A (75:49)

Just sort of like a guy from a completely different culture. And it was just sort of wandered around and made notes and. And observed.

D (75:58)

Well, what was cool about Tocqueville was he came 50 years after the American founding, so the founding principles were in action, if you will, and he was an outsider, so he knew. I mean, Americans, you know, we take it for granted here, but when an immigrant like me comes, or foreigner like Tocqueville comes, they notice what's strange about America. So they actually are very insightful in telling us what's special, good or bad about ourselves.

A (76:21)

Well, there's an interesting little as it pertains to slavery, and I found it to be something that I just never thought about before. I'll play the clip now.

D (76:30)

Tocqueville did recognize the things that Zinn talks about. At one point, Tocqueville stood on the Ohio Kentucky border. He looked north and he saw industrious Ohio. He looked south and he saw idle Kentucky. On both sides, he commented, the soil is equally fertile, the situation just as favorable. So what explained the difference? Slavery, Tocqueville said, degrades work. It produces a people without energy, without a spirit of enterprise.

A (77:14)

That part I understood, that made sense to me. It's the second part that I never really thought about.

D (77:20)

Slaves have no incentive to work because they don't get to keep the fruit of their labor.

A (77:24)

That understood. It's this part.

D (77:28)

And masters become lazy because there are slaves to do everything for them.

A (77:33)

That's the part I didn't really think about.

D (77:35)

Right. And that's the, you know, that's the way that the Southern economy became, if you will, a backward economy.

A (77:43)

Yeah. You're making everybody lazy. You got one group that doesn't want to be there and not getting, you know, getting to wet their beak, so to speak. So they're not motivated. And then you got a guy who's not really doing. He's getting his work for free, so he's not really motivated.

D (77:58)

Exactly. I remember there's a funny story of Frederick Douglass. When he was a slave. He said that he routinely would steal from his master. There was a big tub of food, and he goes, but I didn't see it as stealing. He goes, because the master owned the tub and the master owned me. So I'm merely transferring the master's goods from one spot to the other.

A (78:18)

Really? Again, just a. For all, I guess, for all the people like myself who have just had an impacted asshole of this country being beat up upon. And again, that doesn't mean that we don't look back and acknowledge our mistakes and that we don't. That there's not need for some regulation and that Wall street can't get out of control and that there needs to be. It's not a black and white issue. It's just an issue that I feel like we have been kicking our own ass relentlessly over the last eight or ten years in this country and we seem to step it up every year. And I'm tired of being a citizen of a country that's inherently good and trying to turn us into a bad people in a bad place and subscribing to a way of life which is take care of the family, educate the kids, pay your taxes, work hard, create jobs, and turning those guys into the troublemakers. I'm just tired of it. And this is a documentary that is sweet relief for those who have had an impacted assful of that over the last eight to 10 years.

D (79:42)

Well, we're releasing it at the Fourth of July because we want people to say, hey, it's the 4th of July. Let's unkick our own butts, if you will. Let's go discover what's good about America. It was Gene Kirkpatrick who once said, we gotta face the truth about ourselves, no matter how pleasant it is. There's some good things about this country.

A (80:01)

It's nice. And you know, it's nice that it comes from a guy with brown eyes and brown skin who comes from a foreign land who came here and said, I'm here for these opportunities. And now, you know, obviously. When a guy like Mitt Romney tries to talk this way, he's immediately stoned to death by everyone who says, well, okay, with the rich daddy and the blue eyes. Shut up.

D (80:31)

Well, the other difference is that Romney is, is maybe more of a gentleman than I am. He runs from the fight, whereas I run toward the fight. In other words, I want to take on these guys. Cuz I realize that. I realize their game, their shaming of America is a prelude to the shakedown of America, right? And so they're playing a politic. They've got a political racket going which they're presenting to our young People as just history. So I'm determined to blow the whistle on them, and I think this film's gonna help do that.

A (80:57)

Well, also, it's. I see you debating these guys. And as I always say to my wife, when she says, how come you win every argument? I always go, I don't argue unless I'm right. And thus my batting average goes way up. It's easy to win these debates because, look, you get Diane Warren and you try to debate with her. You have all the statistics in your corner. She's just talking. She's just blathering on about heart. It's all coming from her heart. And I don't even think it's her heart. I just think it's her speaking in.

D (81:35)

Sound bites, you know, And I think it's. I also think it's the ocean of envy and resentment.

A (81:40)

Did I say Dan Warren again? Elizabeth Warren. Now I'm officially screwed. I'm sorry, go ahead.

D (81:46)

No, I was saying that I think very often we just think these people are, you know, they're smart people who make mistakes. You have to realize that the intellectual class is motivated by envy. They don't like to live in an entrepreneurial society. Many of them think, what the heck does Steve Jobs know that I don't? Why is he worth billions of dollars? Now? I'm making 130,000 and I drive a BMW. But still, why are the entrepreneurs the sort of heroes of the society? Envy is a very powerful force in any society, and in our society, it's the envy against the entrepreneur.

A (82:19)

Well, and by the way, give me Elizabeth Warren's and Dinesh, you probably know more about her background, but she. First off, the thing that I found interesting about her is she did work her way up, and then she was an attorney, I think, and made quite a bit of money.

D (82:36)

Well, and then she suddenly discovered a claim to be a Cherokee. I don't know if you heard that.

A (82:40)

Yes, I remember that. Yes.

D (82:44)

So, yeah, so she's playing the shame game all the way up and down.

A (82:49)

But I think she was an attorney that did a bunch of class action lawsuits as well. But it's always funny when you go like, I'm Cherokee, I'm a female. I'm oppressed. But I have a faculty gig over at Harvard Law. Well, which is it now, I believe. I don't know if you've thought about it, but I think it's a form of grandiosity to go, look how much better I am that I have overcome all of these obstacles and hurdles. It's A way to pat yourself on the back without really patting yourself, without looking like you're grandiose. But you're essentially saying, I'm this, I'm that. It's basically me. It's me saying I was a cruiserweight champion of the world and I don't have the use of my right arm. Imagine if I had the use. It's basically quietly saying, imagine. Imagine if she was a man. Imagine if she wasn't 156 Cherokee. Imagine what she would be doing with that in her hip pocket.

D (83:50)

Right. It's a false humility, is what you're saying. It's actually a form of conceit masquerading as humility.

A (83:57)

It is, because think about what you're saying. I mean, if you're saying, I won the race and I did it on a bad ankle. Now, it's not only if you won the race, but you did it on a bad ankle. The I'm a female minority, I'm a whatever is the. And I want it on a bad ankle.

D (84:16)

Right, Right. Exactly.

A (84:18)

Let's see.

F (84:20)

She.

A (84:22)

What did she do professionally before she got into academia? It appears that she got into academia and started focusing on bankruptcy law and got kind of a focus in that.

D (84:35)

And then shifted around to a bunch.

A (84:37)

Of different colleges as a professor after her education. But she never worked at a law firm. You can look for it. I'll talk about technology here, Dinesh, here's something you would like. Igrill. Yeah. You don't want to be that last guy hanging out at the grill. I know you do a lot of barbecuing over there in India. We may even do more here in the United States. Yeah, Watching football, drinking. You got to hang out at the grill. You got to keep checking the meat. Not with Igrill. Igrill, too. Love these guys. Now, what it is, it's a Bluetooth grilling thermometer. You set it on, not on the grill, but on the side of the grill. You plug it in, and then your smartphone contacts you. When the meat's done, when it gets up to a certain temperature, whatever you set it to, you can monitor your meat from your phone 150ft away. So you get to head back into the house and watch a ball game and tilt a couple of cold ones with the guys. While the stuff's in the grill, while it's in the smoker, whatever it is, you have to keep going out and checking the status and checking the temperature and all that. The app has a ton of preset temperature Alarms. So a little alarm will go off and go, it's time to flip the steak over. And it's based on how you want your meat cooked. I mean, this is really why the terrorists hate us, right this, right here.

D (85:54)

Well, and this is why Elizabeth Warren hates, because she'd never think of that one. I mean, she'd rather read about her own Cherokee history than come up with the Igrill.

A (86:02)

It's a brand new product. It just hit the market last week. It's $99.99, and you get free shipping in the US and you go to igrillinc.com that's igrillinc.com. all right, one more question and we'll bring it home. Let's see. Let's talk to Matt. 24, San Jose.

G (86:27)

Matt, how's it going? Adam, Good, good. I was wondering, I mean, you talk about politics a lot compared to the other top podcast, other top comedian or comedy podcast. I was wondering if you've ever encountered a situation where someone wanted to go on your podcast because they liked you, but they didn't want to be associated with. With what your image is.

A (86:55)

Well, it probably has happened, but I'll never know about it. I'll just hear from the publicist that so and so passed, or I won't. I mean, you don't know again, it's like, it's sort of, I don't know, it's like bad breath. It just happens. I don't know. If people tell you about it, maybe you're scared to ask.

D (87:13)

You told me.

G (87:13)

I thought bad breath.

A (87:14)

Oh, good. I don't know. And Dinesh, it's a thing that's bothering me a lot because I never thought of myself as political. I certainly never thought of myself as conservative. I'm just a guy who said, look, you want to have kids, fine, have kids. You pay for them, I'll pay for my kids. You have kids, fine. You feed your kids, I'll feed my kids. And then when you say to me, yeah, but there's a lot of poor folk who don't have enough to give their kids breakfast. I think, have enough. That's 50 cents. You get some oats, put them in the microwave, put a little tap water in there and some brown sugar. Sugar. They're good.

D (87:51)

This is what happened to me. I came to America from India. I never thought about politics. My dad's a chemical engineer, and it was only in college that when people began to tell me that, well, this is what a conservative believes. You know, a conservative believes that there are bad people in the world and no amount of conversation is going to stop them from being bad. I'm like, well, that sounds right to me, that you need to work hard for what you got and that, you know, you need a free market system because it allows the guy at the bottom to climb up the ladder. We want to have a free society, but we want to have a decent society. You want to have some, you know, law and order and you want to basically have the pursuit of happiness, as Jefferson called it. Our foreign policy. Even though people say America is evil, our foreign policy is basically a don't bomb us and B, trade with us, and that's it.

A (88:37)

Yes, I.

D (88:38)

Can a more benign foreign policy be imagined?

A (88:42)

I don't, I don't get it. I do feel like there are many more people who share our sensibilities, but the few people who disagree with us have bullhorns.

D (88:56)

They have big bullhorns and they're intimidators. They go around. You know, one reason Hollywood is so homogenous is that if you get off the reservation, they slap you around a little bit.

A (89:05)

Oh, yeah, I know, I feel it every day. But the good news is, unlike what Elizabeth Warren would have you believe, I built my own pirate ship. I have my own studio. I have my own warehouse.

D (89:22)

You mean you didn't have a school teacher somewhere? You didn't take the public roads?

A (89:26)

Actually, I had some of the shittiest teachers. My counselor, Mr. Tomey, didn't do shit for me. My school teachers were mostly horrific. I didn't learn anything. And no, I don't owe my school teachers, my counselors, anything. They did a piss poor job with me. I was uneducated and I cleaned up garbage on a construction site. And my counselor was just there to. You know, I got suspended once and I had to go sit in his office. That was it. I was never counseled on anything. So no, and by the way, the roads here are covered with potholes. So no, the roads aren't fantastic. Last time I called the fire department was never. Last time my wife called the cops, they wouldn't show up to the house. A drunk driver hit the wall outside of my house. I was on the road, surprise, surprise, on the weekend, paying more into the system via taxes. And my wife called the cops and they said, go check it out yourself because we don't have enough to come out. So, no, this was built. It was built by me. And you people support it and God bless you for it. And that's an atheist talking. We're going to be in Phoenix at Stand Up Live. You can come out and say hi to everybody. We're going to be doing live podcasts. That's June 20th and the 21st. Four shows. Long beach, first show sold out, second show added. So you can come on out. And Treasure Island, Las Vegas and Phoenix on the 21st. I'm going to be total wine at noon, selling a little Mangria. And speaking of Mangria, it's all available now, the white and the red and the and that's a good Father's Day gift. So let's not forget about that, my friends. Friends. All right. Dinesh d', Souza, thank you so much for coming in America. Imagine a world without her. The book is out as we speak. And that you go through Amazon and get that, you know what to do. And then the doc is hitting theaters the 2nd, July 2nd, July 2nd. Dinesh D', Souza, thank you so much for coming in. Come back anytime. Until next time, it's Adam Krolfer Dinesh d' Souza saying Mahoney Hollow.

B (91:36)

All right, does Adam Cole Show 1341? Coming next we have Adam Colo Show 1361 featuring Ed and Matt Asner, Ed and his son, along with Allison Rosen, Brian Bishop from 2014. This one gets a bit nuts.

A (91:53)

Good day, Allison Rosen. Hello, Adam Corolla, bald brain, you cannot.

G (91:57)

Imagine how wrong you are.

B (92:00)

Jose Maldonado. I'll have that one brought back on Twitter with the hashtag Topdrop.

A (92:04)

Oh, boy. So nice. Fourth of July, first off. Here's how you know you've had a crazy schedule for the last year. My Fourth of July weekend was just a weekend for me. I mean, tonight, Sunday night, we did our show on Thursday. I had a luxurious Fourth of July weekend, which was just doing what you're supposed to do on a weekend, which is not working on a weekend. But for me, it seemed bizarre not to be doing anything for two days. But I kept thinking, there's part of me that kept going, enjoy this long weekend. And then another part of me just kept going, it's just a weekend. It's just the normal.

C (92:42)

Most people have this every weekend, right?

A (92:45)

I'd usually be somewhere with Mike August in some shitty hotel in a rental car or something. But either way, I had an enjoyable weekend, except for the outdoor stereo part, but I'll get to that in a second. Malfunction or what it was playing Malfunction just never. Nothing ever works. You know, it's actually, it's a funny thing. We've discussed it a few Times. I think a lot of folks who do okay for themselves don't want to complain about the first world problem. But I can tell you this. The last three people, celebrities, rich guys whose homes I went to, not counting Phil Rosenthal, who does a weekly thing and is smart enough, by the way. The first guy on his invite list is his tech guy. The tech guy, yeah, he's at every party. Ed, the last three guys have went to their house to watch something. A movie of some version of something that I was doing or they were doing or whoever those three human beings were. Seth MacFarlane, Jimmy Kimmel, and Jay Leno. And all three of them were on the phone with their guy before we could get started. Of course, there was universal remote, where you just hit the one button and the screen comes down and the curtains close and you fly, unzips, and you feel something warm on your cock, and the movie that you have in your head starts playing. That's how it's sold to you, but it's always smash cuts in do. I'm texting the guy, he's not texting me back. Nothing works.

C (94:19)

How impotent that must feel.

B (94:21)

I'm pressing a V8 and nothing's happening.

A (94:24)

Right. There's also something sort of funny to see. The Seth MacFarlanes, the Jimmy Kimmels, and the Jay Leno's of the world trying desperately at the mercy of the guy who makes $61,000 a year and just praying he picks up and is at home or not answering his text or that sort of thing. There's something kind of funny about that. I don't think think it took place in ye olden days. It's not like the prince was like, oh, the horse is at the shore. Like, oh, that guy's not around.

B (94:53)

I'm trying HDMI 12 and nothing's happening.

A (94:56)

I'm sending him an insta smoke signal and he's not responding. Like I didn't exist in the past. Now everyone's just at the mercy of nerds, Every human being. So anyway, I found myself sitting by the pool watching the kids in the pool with Kevin Hench, listening to Graham Parker on my iPhone, just playing through my iPhone. Now I have subwoofers, and everyone was thrilled. Subwoofers buried in the ground, but they don't. There's no way to get them.

D (95:22)

It doesn't work.

A (95:23)

No, it can't. That cannot happen. All right. So does Linda do The thing Christie.

B (95:28)

Does was like, no one cares but you. And it's like, that's why we have this so that everyone can care and enjoy. She's like, just come join the party.

A (95:36)

I'm like, I want it to work. It's the kind of thing where not.

B (95:39)

Quite to the same scale as you.

A (95:40)

Well, yeah, but there's. Well, first off, nobody cares but you. All right? I'm the guy who shelled out $100,000 so I could hear something in my backyard three times a year. And it doesn't work. Like, yes, I do care because it did cost me a shitload of money. And then there's the, you know. Well, the amp's too hot. And that's why it's not. You know, it's always the same discussion, but either way there's a bottom line, which is it ain't happening. Not today. So it's alright. Hansch likes Graham Parker and so do I. And we listen to it through my phone. The other thing too is I don't have any backup system because I have the $100,000 system. So I don't have the boombox, which would be a huge upgrade from what I do have. But I don't have one laying around. But I should. We're all just better off with the, with the boombox. Anyway, nice time laying around the pool, drinking the beers and watching the kids sitting, not drown. Somebody tweeted me that. It's weird, the timing. We're just talking about Paul Bernardo and his bride, Homolka. I can't remember. Her name was Tammy. Whatever name we were talking about. The Duran Duran guy. The Canadian serial killer.

C (96:50)

The hunky Canadian serial killer.

A (96:52)

Yeah, there's a few, there's a few interesting parts about this story. One is I completely forgot in terms of how, how fucked up it is I was explaining to you that she sort of went, oh, he's an animal and I'm scared of him. And then she turned in. She turned him in. And then she got a light sentence. The whole story started that. The whole story started. He was with her partying at her parents place in Toronto. She has a younger sister. Sister. Had a younger sister. Fifteen at the time. She stayed up and like drank with them. I think it was like one of those Canadian things. Like, eh, you're 15, you can have a few drinks with your older sister, you're not going anywhere.

C (97:41)

What's the worst that could happen?

A (97:42)

Yeah, what's the worst? Well, she ended up aspirating like her own vomit or whatever. So the story went. Later on, Gary will find the details. I forgot about this from Dr. Baden. But later on, turns out Boy, you want to talk about a pretty big ask. He essentially drugged her so that he could have sex with her with the older sister. Sort of with her blessing. Like you want to talk about as.

D (98:13)

One does fucked up.

A (98:14)

Like you know, you're 22 or 23, you have your 22 or 23 year old fiance and he's like, hey, your 15 year old sister's pretty hot. Perhaps I could drug her up a little bit and we could ply her with some booze and then like I could fuck her in front of you. I mean under your parents roof.

C (98:32)

Not like the Marcia Marcia, Marcia plot.

A (98:35)

Yeah, they're not out of town, they're home. Yeah, I'm gonna fuck her in front of you. Oh, I gave her too many drugs and now she's choking on her own vomit. No. Anyway, call the coroner at four in the morning and then the coroner, I think even the coroner's like this thing seems the reason they.

C (98:52)

Did he have sex with her?

A (98:53)

Yeah, I think he did. Let's see, they drugged her, he assaulted her and the older sister was involved. When you say sexually assaulted, drugged and assaulted. If you're not having intercourse with somebody, you drug and assault, you're the sucker. As my grandfather used to say many times clearly on his license plate. For him. Yeah, it's all. That is.

B (99:15)

But it's just true.

A (99:16)

Yeah, it's just completely insane. Anyway, as we were talking about the animal and the woman he married who let him. The relationship started with him banging the 15 year old younger sister and she died. That's how it started. Then they moved on from there. He just. As we were yakking about this last week on Friday show. So as we were talking about it, he was getting married.

C (99:49)

That's a crazy coincidence.

A (99:51)

Amongst his achievements as a 15 year old with. I don't know, it's so weird but somehow seeing the braces on the girls just makes it that much freakier Younger, sadder for me also I also have this super morbid thought of like oh, good thing you got the braces so you could be dismembered by the fucking nut job. You know what I mean?

C (100:13)

No one even got to see your perfect body, right?

A (100:16)

You never got to the retainer phase with this fucking animal. But the other one, the 15 year old, she was dismembered and put in concrete and blah blah, blah. It's just one of these. It's just, oh, they plan. I'm sorry, they plan to wed. The story is they're planning to get married. But that story came out as we were talking about, she got a tattoo on her ankle that says Paul's girl.

C (100:44)

I'm sure that'll look good concrete.

A (100:48)

This is, by the way, this is why I want people killed. This is why I want. Now listen, case by case. I say it all the time like, well, you know, you take this Paul Bernardo guy and you give him a lethal injection. And then every blood black drifter who some white guy said he thought he saw leaving the liquor store about the time the Korean owner was shot is going to get the chair too. It's like, no, not so. Not that this guy. We'll take it case by case. How about that? Just case by case. Because the parents of the 15 year old with the braces who was dismembered have to read in the newspaper that this guy's getting married. Hey, Stein the. Not again. I wonder if it's not a first marriage.

B (101:38)

Do we have to send a gift?

A (101:39)

I wonder where he's registered. I'm getting those chafing dishes. He took my 15 year old and just fucked her and dismembered her. But anyways, getting married again, that's awesome. And I always say this. Who's evolved? Who's evolved? Why is it so evolved that this guy gets to get married again? I don't look at that as a step toward the light. I look at a fucking. I'd like to fucking tie this guy to a stump and have a Japanese whaling ship just pull up next to him and just put a fucking harpoon throw his fucking sternum and watch him explode. That's.

B (102:09)

Maybe there's in between. We could.

A (102:10)

Don't care. Bullet to the fucking head. It's insane. Like we go like now.

C (102:14)

This is Canada's justice system, right?

A (102:16)

Yeah, Canada's super evolved. Canada has. It's kind of funny. It's like Canada had the in guy. Canada had the guy who was up in the cabin with the other guy. The guy bit down on the Sinai caps capsule tablet and killed himself. And then he went to Canada and fled and we couldn't get him back for like eight years. That I never. That I don't understand either. Like, nah, we're not giving them back to you.

B (102:48)

Of all the countries that should be cool with giving people back and forth.

A (102:52)

Canada, they're right there.

B (102:53)

The border's barely there.

A (102:55)

I would also argue indistinguishable Canada sometimes. Are you running short on South Korean serial killer and you need one. What is it? A fucking gin rummy hand?

C (103:08)

Sorry, it's on our fantasy league we're.

A (103:10)

Running super low on Korean serial killers. Or could you just send the fucking serial killer back to us so we could pay for his room and board? I love that idea. Like, hey, can we have the guy does the serial killing in the cabin and the dismembering? What guy? Not so fast. We'd like him. We'd like him to rot in our prison for about eight years and a whole bunch of papers, paperwork, and then we'll give them back. Deal.

B (103:34)

What's in it for them? For anyone. I mean, I understand certain countries probably enjoy sticking it to other countries electrodes and treaties and stuff like that, but certain countries.

A (103:46)

Let me say this. Tell me where you guys come down on this. There's a lot of this in life which I don't understand. You see, it comes down to a matter of pride. I was trying to explain this whole patent roll thing to somebody and I said, look, we're not going to settle with them. We can't settle with them. We made a commitment to not settle with them. So they will get nothing from us. We will go to trial. But there's not enough there to go to trial with. There's just nothing there. It's not worth it for them to go to trial. So what are we going to do? And then I said to somebody, it's a matter of pride. And then I realized, pride for you or them? Well, we don't have a. For us, it's a matter of justice. We cannot settle with them because we've made a commitment to the podcast and community and taken people's money, so there will be no settling. Well, with them. For them, Hot. Committed, yes. For them, it's a matter of pride. But then I think pride over what? Frivolous lawsuits like. What do you mean? Your pride is you buy patents and you sue people. What's your fucking pride, Canada? Where's your pride?

C (105:04)

Yeah, what are you hanging on to?

A (105:06)

You have a Korean serial killer. What's your pride? I know you have a. Hey, slow down. You don't tell us what to do. That's what it is. You don't tell. But what are we telling you to do? We're not saying put your index finger up your ass and cry for us while you wear a fucking pointed hat. We're saying we need the serial killer back so we can.

C (105:23)

It's awfully specific.

A (105:24)

What?

D (105:24)

We're not saying we want to mete.

A (105:26)

Out a little of our justice, but it's a matter of pride. For these countries, it's a lot of pride. For a lot of people. Although, what's the pride over, if you think about it?

B (105:35)

Yeah, what are you gaining? It's a vaporic victory.

A (105:37)

It's you. Here's what it is. You're not going to tell us what do to.

B (105:42)

Well, if we. Look, we. If we negotiate with terrorists or whatever it is we negotiate with. Fill in the blank.

A (105:46)

By the way, what's the slippery slope, Canada? It's not a matter of fugitives. You look weak. It's the craziest thing in the world. Like I do think a lot of it's just overcompensation for knowing we could crush them anytime we wanted to crush them from a military standpoint, but they're just like, well, we gotta. We're putting our foot down anyway. We should send over a shitload of acid rain. All right, all right. So Bernardo is engaged to be engaged. And that's great news. And again, good for him. Thank you, Canada, for being so evolved and hopefully he can consummate this relationship and the parents of all his young victims can think about that and read about it in the newspaper.

C (106:27)

What do the friends of the woman who falls in love with a serial killer say? Because, you know, it's always awkward when you're friends with someone and you don't like their boyfriend. But I mean, this is taking it to a whole new level.

A (106:38)

Mm.

B (106:41)

The obvious answer is not many friends, right?

C (106:44)

I guess. Yeah.

A (106:45)

There's still. Here's my feeling. My feeling is these people have family members and they severed those ties a long time ago. Like whatever this is in them, this.

C (106:57)

Instinct, it's like the thing that joins a cult.

A (106:59)

Yeah. It didn't just kick in at age 27 and a half. There was some fighting with stepmomma and biological dad or whoever knows where he is, you know what I'm saying? Like this, there were some rifts going on, right.

C (107:12)

They don't have a strong support system.

A (107:14)

This is gone. And then their new friends, it's kind of like you go, oh man, you're real pretty heavy into the Wiccan community. How's that going over? Well, it's going over great with my Wiccan friends and not so great with my family, but I haven't talked to them in 13 years, so I think that's the answer.

C (107:31)

So there's a ready support system for people who fall in love with serial killers. You can be friends with other spouses to be of serial killers.

A (107:39)

I have found.

C (107:40)

Stick together.

A (107:41)

I found. When you tell your friends too much of the truth, they stop. They Cease being your friends. There's Mostly the catch 22 is the friends that really need to hear what you have to say will stop being friends with you. And the friends that don't really need your advice and you're not gonna offer it up. It's never gonna come to it. You know what I mean?

C (108:04)

Cause the ones who really need to hear it, oftentimes it's obvious and they're trying to not hear it.

A (108:09)

It's kind of like the only people that you know who will never pay you back for a loan are the ones who need to borrow money. The Catch 22s of the world. There's plenty of people I know I could lend money to and they would pay me back immediately, but they don't need it. And then the ones that need it can't pay back for obvious reasons. They need the money.

C (108:29)

Exactly.

A (108:30)

So they're not good at that.

B (108:33)

Speaking of that woman and what her friends must say or think, do you guys have this where in your group of friends not saying. In your group of friends, if one of them was to kill someone, you would all would agree on who it would probably be. Like, I'm saying she's probably that person. For a group of friends. Like, oh, someone, one of our friends married. A prisoner, A murderer. A mass murderer. Oh, it had to be Sheila. Like, they would all agree. Do you guys have those friends? Whoever it is, One of our friends went on a killing spree or whatever it is. You all agree who?

C (109:01)

I think it'd be you.

B (109:02)

How dare you? I'd be least likely to go on a killing spree.

C (109:05)

I'm not sure about that.

B (109:07)

One of the least likely to go on a killing spree.

A (109:09)

I'm trying to. No, I don't. I mean, I'm not surprised. Mine's a little more DUI related, but I don't think I know anybody who could or would. And I'd always be. I'm always surprised when I find out that anyone did anything.

B (109:31)

Maybe I'm phrasing it wrong, but I'm saying that if a friend came to you and said, oh, dude, do you know who got arrested last night and charged with fucking murder? Your guess would be the same first guess as all your other friends.

C (109:41)

Sounds like you guys have a really angry, unhinged friend.

A (109:43)

No, that's the thing.

C (109:44)

It's not.

A (109:45)

Well, see, it's weird. Like, I have friends. I have friends like Ray, who are like maniacs, but I wouldn't think of him first because he's very gentle. He wouldn't do that. But yet if you said punched a cop's horse, I'd say Ray.

B (109:58)

Okay, that's. That's not necessarily murder. I'm saying she's the friend for her group of friends of one of our friends.

A (110:03)

Yeah.

B (110:04)

Marrying a fucking prisoner. Oh, Sheila, right. Yeah, Sheila. Like, everyone knows.

A (110:08)

I.

B (110:08)

It's funny how groups of friends know who the.

D (110:10)

Oh, yeah. Well, everyone know.

C (110:12)

Yeah, yeah.

B (110:12)

Would be to do that horrible thing.

A (110:15)

I don't know. Like, I don't have anybody. Fondelier would be last on everyone's list for everything. Right.

B (110:21)

Yeah.

A (110:21)

Okay. And positive, too.

D (110:24)

All right.

B (110:25)

To buddy up.

A (110:26)

Just everything. Just everything. All right. So that's the yearbook.

B (110:32)

It just says least likely.

A (110:33)

Least likely. And then. So I had an adventure yesterday with the kids. There's some horse trail that goes up and up and up and then around, and then you go to the top of the mountain. And the kids are into hiking. They want to hike this trail.

B (110:54)

Worst things they could be into.

A (110:55)

Yeah, no, it's good. They want to take Molly. We got to take the backpack and the blah, blah, blah. And so couple things. So we start. We start hiking up this trail, and we get the late start. We get going about. About seven in the evening, and it's a long horse trail. Now, out here in Southern California, they do have these kind of weird horse trails in certain communities that just sort of. You wouldn't even know them. You don't see them when you're in your car. Once in a while, you see that horse crossing at an intersection, and you.

C (111:25)

Think they have horses.

A (111:26)

They have horses, and they just kind of go along and they go up. And before you know it, you're on top of some hill and there's some big antenna next to you, and you're looking down on Glendale or down on Hollywood or whatever it is, and this fire trail, horse trail, whatever things. And that's when you hear about the bobcats and the coyotes and the black bears and all that kind of stuff. That's where it is. So we take the flashlight and the water jug and the backpack and all that, and we start hiking through the horse trail. And the horse trail trail just kind of weaves through the backyard of people's houses. I mean, it's not in their backyard. It goes, like between the yards, and you're sort of peering over, and sometimes people are barbecuing back there and whatever's going on, the kids shooting hoop sort of walking through it. I had this great experience about 3/4 of the way in of hearing John Popper just off in the distance. I thought I was having a wonderful hallucination, but I was just walking up the, up the hill and one of my favorite is this is the one. I'm one of my favorite John Popper songs or Blues Traveler songs. But I'm excited especially about this song because I told him how much I liked it and he did the yeah, that is a good song. We never play it live. And I said, you should play it live, it's a great song. And he went like, yeah, it is. And it's a good thing that he has enough hits that he doesn't have to play really great songs. And then the next time I saw him, he said, we weave it into the set every time now because I forgot how great it was and thanks for bringing it up. And I was like, wow. But I heard this like coming down the trail. Well, someone was having a barbecue and they were just playing Blues Traveler. And this song just happened to be on.

B (113:17)

Someone figured out the outdoor speakers.

A (113:21)

And it turned out to be one of Sonny's friends. And we were talking to the person through the fence and everything. And it was a nice little community thing. And then we got to the top and we, we got to the end of the trail. You can pot it down a little bit. I still like to hear it. So we got to the top now and this is one of those moments where it's, it's 8 o' clock at night now. We got a half hour, 40 minute walk downhill at least back. It's going to be dark for the last 250ft of the walk. But no big deal, but we get to the top of this plateau and now we're going up the dirt hill. We're going to the top. Like we're going up to look at the view. Now this is all the rest of the way has just been the trail on the the way. Now we're gonna hit the summit. We're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna this the money shot, as my daughter would say. And I said, let's turn it up. So I get this, don't you hate this part of life? I get, get the chick who's leaving, she's pulling out in her car. There's nobody in the parking lot. There's two cars in the parking lot. The one chick who's pulling out has got her dog on her lap and she says out the window, there's a coyote up there. It's an angry coyote. Not wild, eh, angry and like was aggressive with us And I don't think you guys should go up there. It's just me and Molly. Molly's half eaten anyway, with cancer in her ear and everything. And then the kids and cancer's nibbled away at her. Yeah. And it's getting dark, and so I'm like, you know what? All right. That's all you never have do to tell me twice to go home. I'm always in let's pack it up mode. Like, let's turn it around. Let's. Let's head home. There's food there, there's a TV there. Let's. We can all go our separate ways when we get there so there's not.

C (115:15)

An angry coyote there.

A (115:16)

Right. I'm ready to go home. As I'm getting into that mode, as I'm going, all right, well, let's pack it in. There's a guy unloading a Toyota Sequoia and pulling a big German shepherd out of the back. This guy's going solo, but this is that dude, that 56 year old dude who just knows what he's doing. Dude, like, just exudes confidence. Got a big dog's been there and done that, you know, and he's like, oh, I'm going up. And so now it's like, now the kids are like, oh, he's going up. And then he does the thing where he goes with the four of us and the dogs. No coyote's gonna bother us. And I did the. And my, My daughter's like, come on, let's go with him. And he's got the big dog and, you know, Shocking, right? And I'm like, maybe we should head back. And he's like, well, no one's gonna mess with us now. We got a big group, big dogs. Now I got a big German shepherd. And I'm like, okay, so we start up the hill. Well, the hill keeps going and going and fucking going some more.

C (116:14)

Nervous the whole time waiting for this angry coyote to jump out at you.

A (116:17)

I am. And he doesn't seem to give a shit. And then this guy goes on later on, by the way, one of the conversations I've always wanted to get into as an adult, and I don't feel like it happens that much as a child. Every single movie and TV show I watch where like somebody sat next to somebody on a train or something that the adult males would go, so, what line you in? And then the guy would say, women's hosiery. And then they'd have a conversation about, what line are you in? What line are you in now. There's nothing. We don't do that now. So you're watching the World Cup. Yeah, man. How do you like World Cup? Cup, and that's about it. But no one goes, what line are you in anymore?

C (116:57)

Yeah. For some reason it's seen as like intrusive or something to talk about what you do.

A (117:00)

I kind of like the what line Yin. And also we don't know that guys are even in any line anymore. Their wives can be working or that's stay at home dad or whatever. But he gave me the what line Yin. And I gave him the man. I do about. I have like 8 jobs and write some books and do some stuff like that. And I did the what do you win? And then I realized it's always something good. It's never like, you know those mini boxes of detergent at the coin op laundry? I refill those vending machines. Like, it's never that. Because he wouldn't ask me because now I'm coming back.

C (117:34)

Yeah, he didn't want the return question. He never would have done it.

A (117:39)

Right. If you think about the batting average of the guy who asks, what line are you in? He has a perfect, pretty sweet gig otherwise. He's avoiding that topic. Kato Kaelin doesn't ask people what fucking line they're in.

B (117:52)

That's a good point. They want the. They want the ask back.

A (117:55)

Right. So I gave him the what line you in. This guy builds humongous telescopes that go up on top of the mountain in Maui. You know the ones in every. Every single movie where something. Yeah. Whenever. Whenever Something from the. Whatever planet is coming here to destroy us. That's the first thing. Those incredible things that are just perched up 14,000ft up the side of a mountain in Hawaii.

B (118:19)

You're talking about scientists. I thought you were talking about like a vista point that people can look at in the ocean.

A (118:23)

He builds the.

B (118:25)

Holy shit.

A (118:26)

He builds those. The ones that are. You know the ones that are. It's $1.5 billion as a 10 year project and they have to drag it up the hill and build a whole support. Whatever. The thing the guy, the crazy scientist is in when he first makes contact with the whatever.

B (118:42)

The crazy thing is they're looking back in time because the light coming back is from thousands of years ago. It's crazy.

A (118:47)

Yeah, These are telescopes where the lens is 90 meters, you know, it's 100ft across and it's whatever. And he designs this, you know, whatever it is, it's cool. Anyway, now I'm bursting at the scene with confidence, because this is smart guy.

C (119:00)

I assumed he was a Navy seal. This is better.

A (119:02)

Yeah, this is better. So when we get to the top of the hill and it's dark now, 8:25, 8:30. And he's going to continue on for some reason, he's going up to the next plateau. And I give the. He drove there, we walk there.

D (119:20)

I said, wait, he's escorting you back?

A (119:22)

Yeah. I said, well, we're not going to keep going up the hill, you know. And he said, okay, well, you know, nice meeting you. And I said, okay. And we started walking down. And when we got down, it was dark, out of water, fucking sunny. Never replaced the batteries and a flashlight I told him to replace from our last hike the night before.

C (119:43)

So the beginning of a bad movie.

A (119:45)

Thing was no good. And now here was his advice. His advice was, don't take the trail home. Take the streets home. Because the trail could get a little dicey with the bears and the whatever. Once you get down, don't take the way you came here, don't come here that way. Take the streets.

C (119:59)

But by the way, this is why I hate nature.

A (120:01)

Yes, me too. But I don't know what the street is because I've never taken the street up there. I just took the trail up there. But now I don't want to walk down the weird dark trail.

C (120:09)

Yeah, you don't even. And you don't know. Do you even know how to get to the street that he's talking about?

A (120:13)

There is a street. It goes right, it goes left. I don't know which way is the right way. And I do know I do want to walk down. But on the other hand, I don't want to walk a mile and a half out of the way on the street and find we're at a cul de sac or something. And so now we're just sitting there and, like, Natalia's starting to freak a little bit. And I said, look, I think we should just wait by the dude's car. Cause he's gotta come down. And when he comes down, he'll give us a ride home. Cause we don't know where we are. And now it's dark outside. And I had the old lady go to the Chipotle and get me a couple beef tacos, too. Those are stone cold at this point. So I said we should.

B (120:53)

Total disaster.

A (120:54)

We should wait. Now Natalia's starting to freak a little. It's dark. We got these kind of Molly's barking, you know, Sonny's bored. Natalia's like hanging on. I mean, Natalie keeps going. Half hour goes by. He's not come down yet. It's dark. I don't know. He's taking peyote and committing suicide up there. I don't know what he's doing up there. I don't know what his ritual is. Yeah, he doesn't have any water or flashlight on him, but I don't. Maybe he just goes up there and just fucking convenes with the city lights for two or three hours and listens to some fish or something in his earbuds. Like, I don't know. There's no. We may be sitting here for two hours. I don't know. He should be coming down, but it's been dark for 40 minutes now. He's not coming down. So we keep flirting with this weird thing of, should we just leave now? And now it's pitch black, and now it's gonna take a hell of a long time to get home. Or we already waited 40 minutes, blah, blah, blah. At a certain point, we see a flash of like in the distance just coming down the hill. He must had a little pocket flashlight going. Of course. Natalia starts screaming at the guy. You know, I mean, he's a quarter mile away. He can't hear her say anything, but she's just screaming at him, like. Anyway.

C (122:01)

What's she yelling?

A (122:04)

His name was Mark. And she just starts screaming, mark. And like she's hanging on to me and I'm like, let him get down here, you freak. By the way, he doesn't know the plan. It's pitch black for him. Someone's yelling, mark, stop. Freaking the guy out. And he gets down. He gets down to the, you know, within about 100 yards and she just starts screaming. It's kind of actually nice to have.

C (122:26)

The kid do the embarrassing screaming.

A (122:29)

Yes, she's freaked out. No, she has. She has no meter at all. She. But by the way, I'm. I'm insanely jealous of her. He, you know, I'm going through my head of like, like, how do I thank God I lent him one of my doggy poop bags? Because now he owes us. You know, like, he did ask for a poop bag. We did do the what's your what? Line in and blah, blah, blah. We had a nice exchange.

C (122:53)

You're all friends by now.

A (122:54)

Yeah, I'm doing this thing where he told me he lived over here. It's not too far away, but I hope he's not gonna put on it. And she just starts screaming, mark, we need a Ride. Mark, you need to drive us home. We need to go. You need to drive us. I'm like, kind of like, good, thanks for doing the fucking heavy lifting system. And of course he's just like, he's the reason I moved. He was like, yeah, jump on in. Put the dogs in the back. I'll drive you. Right on. You know, boom, boom. Just drove us right home. Super, super nice guy.

B (123:20)

Telescope Mark.

A (123:21)

Yeah. Then had this, had this great thing that you don't get to do that often and it's not that satisfying later on in life, but course they come running in and start telling mommy, oh, my God, oh, my God, oh, my God. And then I do the fun thing where I. I'm like, what? I don't know what you're talking about. And they're like, oh, my God, Daddy, come on. And then I'm like, mark, is that Sonny? Is that your friend's mom? Is that the dad's name? We did talk to them. I remember talking to them, daddy, you know, they're going out of their mind.

C (123:55)

I remember how frustrating it was when an adult did that.

A (123:58)

And I'm sitting there. I got a lot of improvisational background here. And I got a super, super. I don't like to talk about my background off, but I got a super straight face. And I'm like, who? No, we just walked home. Natalia's like going out of her mind. She's like screaming and punching me. Tell her, Daddy. Tell her, tell her. And then at a certain point, I was torturing her because the big German shepherd, Mark's big German shepherd was named Emmy. And I said, I said, natalia, you should win an Emmy for all this great acting you're doing. And then at a certain point, Lynette said, what was the dog's name? And she went, it was Emmy. And then we both went, oh, you just said Emmy. Because I said, you should win an Emmy. She was like, no. It kept it going for a good 40 minutes.

B (124:50)

Master class.

C (124:52)

It was like torturing a seven year old child.

B (124:55)

Manipulation.

A (124:55)

Look, they're big pain in the ass that cost a lot of money. Every once in a fucking blue moon, you get a nickel back on your dollar. And that was last night for a half hour while we were. While I was playing completely, incredibly dumb while they both wove this tail to mama.

C (125:11)

And now did Lynette know exactly what was going on?

A (125:13)

I think she could kind of tell that there's no way the two of them had put this crazy story with the coyote and this guy Mark and his Dog and everything together. But she was having fun looking at me going, daddy, is this true? And I was just going to. It did go. The Groundlings. And then.

C (125:32)

And this is what you learned?

A (125:33)

This is what I learned.

B (125:34)

Why don't you ever talk about that?

A (125:36)

I'll tell you what I like talking about. Aaron Foster. Aaron Foster. He donated the roadheart campaign. And instead, being in the movie, he gave us some incredible, incredible art. And it's the piece that's out there. It's also the piece I forgot. I forgot about the ace of spades over there in the entry hall. But here's the crazier part. Gary Heftard said, oh, I got an Aaron Foster piece. And I said, oh, he gave you a piece too? And he said, no, no, I just bought it years ago. And I said, so you bought Aaron Foster's stuff before this? And he's like, yep, long before I ever even worked here. I just. I saw it in a store and I thought it was really, really cool.

D (126:17)

And I bought it and then found.

A (126:19)

Out years later that this was artist. He's an amazing guy. He has. What we have is the United States and Hawaiian Alaska, by the way, too.

B (126:29)

Made out of vintage license plates.

A (126:30)

Right. I have the Hollywood sign that's made out of all California license plates. It's really, really, really neat stuff. And, you know, most art you have to kind of stare at. And then someone goes, do you get it? And then you go, yeah, I get it. Do you get it? And you go, oh, yeah, I get it. Nobody got gets it. This is totally gettable. But then you get the crying clown or the dog's playing poker or something, and that you do get, but it's too giddy. This is right in that sweet spot of nice, totally accessible, but also super creative. Anyway, he's got a little website, and you can check his stuff out@aaron foster.com. and he's got a full collection of stuff. He supports us. You support him. Use the promo code. Adam, get 15% off anything on the site. Aaron Foster dot com. Good guy, good friend of the show. All right, let's see.

B (127:24)

Connoisseur of pop art.

A (127:26)

Hey, James. 35, Boston.

G (127:31)

Hey, how you doing?

A (127:32)

What's going on, man? Not much.

G (127:35)

I just wanted to see what you thought about the Anthony Kumia firing from the Opie and Anthony show on Sirius xm.

A (127:43)

Yeah, some people been tweeting me about that. So what was the story?

G (127:47)

He basically, he got attacked by a black woman who appeared to be a streetwalker in Times Square. He's taking some pictures, and she just started punching him. And then he responded with some tweets that were, I guess they could be concerned, considered racially insensitive. But basically he was like, this person's an animal. She's trying to attack me. And, you know, I'm just trying to take a picture. Honestly, he said much worse on his radio show and hasn't gotten fired. So I'm just curious as to, you know, what you think about that and, like, the implications of free speech, of people getting fired for, you know, what they post on. On their Twitter feed, and especially if it's not even as bad as what they say on their radio show.

A (128:34)

Well, is an interesting. It's an interesting line, which is now. Now, you used to get fired for what you did on the air by your boss, who owns the air.

B (128:45)

The good old days.

A (128:47)

Yeah. I mean, it's their satellite. And when you talk into their microphone in their building and it's pumped through their satellite, then they get to fire you. Whatever you may say now, there's a new thing going on, which is you can go say things that don't have anything to do with them, and then they fire you. Now, I don't know that it's right or wrong. I'm just saying it's. It is a weird thing that we couldn't have predicted a few years ago. Right. And it would have been sort of the equivalent to you having a conversation or you saying something in your standup routine that would get you fired from your radio gig or your sitcom the following season. Exactly. It's weird. The thing that's. I'll tell you the thing that I find bizarre. It is difficult to watch. For instance, I don't know if you guys have, like, for instance, turned on MTV in a while, but we were just watching a little Catfish the other day. And you can't watch MTV with your kids because the commercials are so graphic. All the. All these, like, teen zombie things and stuff. Even the commercials for all the horror movies that are out there. There. They're fucking as scary as the movie is. I mean, they're super intense. And they're like. It's like it's seven at night. So it's. There's so. So in the graphic. I mean, I'll just give you a. I'll give you a. When I started out in radio, you couldn't say, I'm pissed off. Or you could say. You couldn't say, God damn it. You couldn't say pissed off. You couldn't say a million Things you could say, you might be able to say, I'm pissed, but you couldn't say, I was taking a piss or I pissed on that guy's foot. Yeah, it's just like, there's a million and ten rules. Now. When I was watching. We were watching MTV and they were like, they were showing like their clips video show and the guy was vomiting and like milk was coming out of his nose and stuff. It's like you literally had to hold your hand up to avoid it. Like, it was repugnant. When we did, when we did, we did the first season of man show, Guy ate a cube of butter and he vomited, and we literally had to cover up the vomit. Not MTV. Comedy Central could not show at 10:30 at night, a guy vomit on.

B (131:06)

Now, same parent company, that's worth pointing out the guys.

A (131:09)

You can see guys vomiting on prime time. Like, no problemo at all. If you're watching the World's Biggest Loser or the Biggest Loser and you show the guy, you know, running on the treadmill, he yaks. He yaks. Like, they just show it. So it is game on in the grotesque department and all the other department. But anything to do with race is. We've gotten super. We've gotten super sensitive and super insane about it. I don't. I wish it was more. Here's what I wish with all this stuff. I wish the people that were doing the disciplining actually meant it. I wish they cared about black folks folk or the folks that are complaining about the Redskins cared about Native American. I wish first off, I wish it was a little more sincere. You know what I mean? It's not. You get the feeling they're just doing whatever they have to do.

B (132:01)

They're covering their interests.

A (132:02)

Yeah, they're covering their interest. I wish they went, you know what? I'm going to go down to the Mohican sun and give out some leaflets on diabetes.

B (132:14)

Very noble.

A (132:15)

Thank you. No, I wish you would actually do one of those rubber hits the road things when it comes to the people you claim to care about instead of just disciplining somebody so. So that it could be known that you were the guys that were tough on guys that were hard on whatever minority it was, even if you don't give a fuck. And I'm assuming they don't give a fuck, because I have not many met many people who actually do in those positions. I don't think it's a good thing or a step toward the light that people essentially are able to fire people from things they do outside of the office, so to speak. On the other hand, here's D'Dillio, everybody. Who's listening? When you leave it to the judges, you can get bad hometown calls. And that's why I always say, don't leave it to the judges.

B (133:17)

Is this a leaving it to the judge's situation, though?

A (133:19)

This is. You have a boss. Oh, your boss could be CBS radio, your boss could be Infinity, or it could be Sirius xm, it could be whatever, whoever, NBC, whoever your cores, whoever your gm, you have a boss. And when you have a boss, it's right in the title. They're the boss. And they catch you doing something they don't like or it's going to make them look bad or make the company look bad or whatever it is they can shit can your ass. Chris Rock can't be shit canned, right? He forged a career firm. Jerry Seinfeld can't be shit canned. At this point in his career, many. I can't be shit canned. I can be shit canned by Spike, but not from this. And the problem with having a boss, and it's a problem, which is you're there because your personality and you're there because you speak your mind, and you're there because you incite people and conversation and you mix it up and you know, nobody wants Mr. Melba toast on the air. Nobody wants Mr. Middle of the Road on the air. You're there because you're fiery, you're controversial, you're whatever. That's what radio and you know, that's what broadcasters are. They're not supposed to just go. You're there because you have an opinion. You have strong opinions because you don't.

C (134:59)

Censor yourself as well.

A (135:01)

Well, I think all the people we end up, you know, I don't. Let's just look at it this way. Sam Kinison, Richard Pryor, Howard Stern, Adam Carolla. Adam Carolla, Lenny Bruce. I think the reason, and we like them is because they didn't censor themselves, right? I mean, we kind of got what we got from them. And the reason they've gone down and whatever their place in history is is because they weren't censoring themselves.

B (135:35)

Oh, and Howard Sternsky. Oh, and Bill Hicks. And all these guys in their cases they railed against, you know, even the censorship, they fought against it. That was the rub in their act, right?

A (135:46)

So I feel bad that Anthony got shit canned. I hate this world that we've created where everyone just shit cans, everyone for everything. I think there's a way that we can Disagree with what he said or the language that he used, but still make that his choice, his words and his experience, and move on from it. I don't like this thing where it's like, well, we don't like you because you said this and use those words. And now you must be relieved of your livelihood.

B (136:25)

Yeah. Because of that record. If people like it or like him or his fans or whatever, then it's just part of who he is and what he does.

A (136:32)

Right. Either way, we have built a pirate ship here and we can never be fired. So that's the good news. Secondly, it is scary to me when the people who go off to become the alternative, the Sirius XM satellite, the, hey, this is our uncensored world. I mean, that was part of the sell, right? We get to say fuck. We can say cunt. We can say what we want. We don't have to worry about the fcc. It's weird when the people who break off to fight against the man become the man. Yeah. And it sounds to me like Sirius XM has become the man.

B (137:13)

When's that happening for us?

C (137:16)

Adam already is the man.

A (137:17)

I need you to see. I need. I was gonna say I need to see you in my office, but I don't have an office.

B (137:23)

But if you had an office.

A (137:24)

I need.

B (137:24)

I'd need to see. Scene.

A (137:27)

I need to see in Matt's office, which could be my office or the bathroom. Yes.

B (137:31)

You think X Series XM was looking for an excuse? Is this one of those things where because, like James said, he's done and said worse things on the air, were they just looking for an excuse?

A (137:39)

I can tell you, as I've said many times, Duck Dynasty, when you're getting 8.3 million viewers a week, you can say what you want, you'll be disciplined, but they'll not cut you loose. Alec Baldwin, when you're doing 200,000 viewers a week, you get out of line with a Photogate, it's time to push down the road.

B (138:05)

It's a convenient excuse.

A (138:06)

I don't know how Opie and Anthony are doing. All I can say is this. There's not such a thing. In my experience, is LeBron James at his prime, Kobe Bryant is prime, or you pick the athlete in their prime and the team cutting them in their prime when they've done something off the field.

B (138:27)

Kobe's a bad example because he had the fair and then all the sponsors dropped the team. Yeah, you're right.

A (138:33)

The sponsors will always drop you. But as long as he's averaging 31 points.

B (138:39)

Aaron Hernandez.

A (138:40)

The team. The team. If you told the Pats.

B (138:46)

It's pretty rare.

A (138:46)

If you. I don't think it exists. If you told the Pats. Aaron. Aaron Hernandez can play on Sunday. We'll parole him on Sunday to play. He would. I feel.

B (138:57)

Gary, that's up. I feel like they cut him while he was being investigated. But your point is.

A (139:03)

But here's what I think, right? I think they knew much more than we knew way before we knew it. Part of. Part of it. It's their job. Secondly, they're seeing the Crips tattoo on his great set of hands. He has so. Or whatever. Whatever it is. I get the feeling they know it. I'm just saying, when you are doing gangbuster in the business department, you usually don't get clipped. I don't know if that's what's going on with Opie and Anthony. I assume it's somewhere in the middle. The truth's always somewhere in the middle. And listen, I don't know what the future is for those guys. Hopefully, I can come on here and talk about it. And it is a sad state of affairs that now Siri and XM have become the man. But once again, you build the pirate ship, you don't have to worry about the man, James.

G (140:00)

Absolutely. Can we just help? We're just trying to help build support for the cause. And just the hashtag stanwith Ant, and we're just trying to get that trending on Twitter.

A (140:13)

Okay, well, you have our support.

D (140:16)

All right.

G (140:16)

Thanks a lot, Adam. I appreciate it. I love the show. And have a great night, buddy.

A (140:21)

Thanks, James. Yeah. I think what there needs to be is there needs to be more talk.

C (140:26)

About this in the news segment.

A (140:28)

Yes. And a pushback. I mean, I think it's time. Like I said, we just. Again, something's happened, and it's happening really fast, and it's getting kind of scary, and there's a new kind of a. It's a weird thing. It's a kind of McCarthyism, but it's a reverse McCarthyism. It's a politically incorrect McCarthyism. It's weird, but it feels the same. If it's got a lynch mobb mentality to it. These people are saying things. It's like, you know, it's like Jonah Hill got into trouble, called a photographer a fag or something like that, or. I can't remember, told him to suck his dick or something like that. But the guy was harassing him and telling me he looked cute. No shorts or like, whatever it was and he shot something off and now he has to go, like, go on an apology tour, you know, and does Jonah Hill pose a threat? What's he talking about? And the guy was making sexually sort of overt comments about his looking good and wearing his tight shorts or like, whatever it was. I'm just saying, does everybody like, when you're walking down the sidewalk and somebody's shoving you with their camera, like, are you not allowed to fucking yell something horrible at them anymore? Do we think everyone means it? Are we worried about, does Jonah Hill go down?

C (141:54)

You know, it gets to a point where we're just policing each other, but we don't care.

A (142:00)

Nobody cares. Nobody's worried about Jonah.

C (142:03)

Just pointing fingers.

A (142:04)

Yeah, right. Okay. All right. Jesus Christ. Ed Asner and his son are out there. We'll bring them in in one second. Matt and Ed Asner here. The charity is July 26th in Santa Monica, and you can register July 20th. Benefits, Autism Speaks. Great to have you guys back on the show. Good to be back quickly. I'm a big car nut. Every time I see Wayne Carini, he's got the autism speaks thing. He's. He's the classic car guy. So I imagine he's a guy who's probably in your circle as well.

E (142:41)

Absolutely, yeah. No, I mean, it's, you know, it's one of these things that I think more and more people are getting involved, thankfully. And it's, you know, the prevalence numbers are astounding. It's. One in 68 children are diagnosed on the spectrum. Now.

F (142:56)

What is children or boys?

E (142:58)

Well, one in 42 boys.

A (143:00)

Wow.

E (143:00)

One in 68 children.

A (143:02)

So what is. Why do they think more boys than girls?

F (143:06)

We're the weaker sex.

E (143:07)

Exactly.

A (143:07)

No, no. We die early, we get autism, we have to pay more for our auto insurance. This blows, man.

E (143:12)

I think so. I think so. And basically. But I'll ask you this. If 1 in 68 children were going blind at birth or a year old, what do you think would be happening in this country?

A (143:24)

Well, when we were done with arguing over legalizing marijuana and allowing pets on planes, we would then get to that very quickly. We'd get to that very quickly. Yes.

E (143:36)

That's about where we are.

A (143:37)

Yeah, it's weird. Well, it'. Sit'. Sit'. Save always said this. There's certain things we just are in love with and then certain things we don't. I don't know. Maybe autism makes people uncomfortable. I don't know.

E (143:49)

Well, yeah, I mean, one of the interesting things about autism is that it's Invisible? Pretty much. I mean, you could line five people without autism up against a wall and five people with autism against a wall, and you really. Unless you really know it and work with it every day, you would not be able to really tell. And autism, you know, is a lifelong situation from birth to death.

A (144:12)

Is there any rehab, so to speak, with autism?

E (144:16)

Yeah, I mean, there's therapies that, you know, it costs the average family about $50,000 a year to go through the therapies that are needed, you know, for, you know, for dealing with autism.

F (144:28)

I would call it better. There's acculturation that occurs.

E (144:31)

Exactly.

A (144:32)

Right. So you don't get better, but it's more of an acclimation to things than it is learning things, I think.

E (144:40)

I think you can safely say that people do get better with therapy. I mean, there is. There is. And that's. And that's a more polished. More polished.

A (144:47)

Well, so what's your family's relationship with Oxford?

E (144:51)

Well, my brother, whose name is Charlie, he. He's on the spectrum. He's 27.

A (144:55)

27, right.

E (144:57)

Yeah, 27. And my son Will is 11 and on the spectrum. And then there's a couple of other family members who are, you know, borderline.

A (145:06)

And is there a genetic component to it?

F (145:08)

Sure, there must be.

E (145:09)

Sure.

A (145:10)

But do we know?

E (145:12)

You know, we're. What we're slowly finding out is that there's probably a connection between genetics and the environment and probably a combination of the two.

A (145:20)

And so what would you.

F (145:22)

For one thing, in my defense, in Charlie's case, there's an argument that's now occurred that implies that old sperm is not the best sperm in the world, and accidents can happen from old sperm. And I sired Charlie when I was in my 50s.

A (145:45)

Also, horrible name for a horse.

E (145:49)

Be a good name for a band, though.

D (145:50)

Yeah.

A (145:51)

Pretty cutting edge. Second stage at Bonaro, maybe, but a bad name for a horse. Exactly. The guy. The guy who's calling the race got to be, please do not go in the top five.

C (146:00)

Also a bad name for cologne.

A (146:02)

That's right. Yeah. The women patiently wait for the men to come home from sea. Well, not if you call it spermaceti, but yeah. So basically, nature doesn't really want us having kids past our late teens all the time.

F (146:20)

You know, they. They blamed it on older women that they shouldn't have had. Their eggs were not good enough, and now it's tending to even out.

A (146:29)

Right.

F (146:30)

Old sperm is joining old eggs.

A (146:32)

Right. So don't blame the eggs. Blame the Tabasco. Probably a combination of Both Right. So, yeah. So Charlie, you had when you were what age, how old was your sperm? I won't ask how old you were.

F (146:50)

I was in my early 50s, I think.

E (146:52)

Yeah, but his sperm was actually about 60.

F (146:54)

Yeah, I had had it pre aged.

A (146:58)

Yeah, well they have old souls. Why can't your jizz be old too know?

F (147:02)

That's, that's me.

A (147:03)

Yeah. Oh boy. I was just thinking about Tony, Tony Randall's poor kid. Yeah, he was 80 when he had it.

F (147:09)

We'll find out, kid.

E (147:11)

Well, it's not a guarantee.

A (147:12)

No, it's not a guarantee. But that's old as it, that's about as old as it gets. So anyway, let's hope he can vote. The, the idea is we're going to raise money and where would you like, what's the most promising research for us Autism these days we're finding out a lot more about the brain over the last few years.

E (147:31)

There's a lot going on and actually we just entered into a Google deal with Google and partnership with Google where we're going to actually map 10,000 genomes and those genomes are going to be available on the cloud so that people can work with them. And I really see it as like the digital revolution in terms of science and autism. So you know how the, the film industry kind of changed in the 90s and people started doing films in their garage and they actually started coming out. And I see that this is a turning point for autism research where people are really going to get to look at this and study it and do the research.

A (148:10)

Where do you draw the line because of the spectrum thing being affected with it versus a lot of people accuse me of having a lot of stuff that I don't have just because I close my eyes when I think, think.

C (148:24)

Just because of that.

A (148:25)

I focus a little too hard on certain subjects and maybe not others. And I may be a little bit picky about a few things and hanging out with Dr. Drew and my wife long enough. And don't worry, I get diagnosed with everything. But there's no way keeps talking long.

B (148:37)

Past people when people have tuned out.

A (148:39)

Well, certainly ADD then, right? I get it. I get a lot of Asperger's and I get a lot of that kind of stuff, but I know I don't have any of that stuff. But how do we know with autism?

E (148:50)

Well look, they call it a spectrum disorder disorder, right. So on one side of the spectrum you have people that have difficult, very difficult time communicating. Probably, you know, some are non verbal, they can't Speak at all, they can't communicate at all. Or they use an iPad to communicate. And then you go all the way over to the other end of the spectrum and you're talking about high functioning podcast hosts. Podcast hosts, exactly.

A (149:15)

Well, do we have a do. Is there. I mean, if we're testing, do we have a number that is assigned to.

E (149:21)

Well, there's actually, there's actually no definitive test that you can. It's a series of diagnostic criteria that you put people through, and if they come up with enough of those diagnostic criteria, then you get a diagnosis of autism.

A (149:34)

Is there, is there somebody who we're. Who we could be aware of, whose name we might know who falls under that spectrum? But we may know them.

F (149:45)

Bill Gates or Bill Gates.

E (149:47)

Well, but I don't think it's ever been really kind of definitively proven though. So, you know, I mean, certainly he would be someone that you look at.

A (149:55)

And wonder, now why do we, why do we think Bill Gates. Because of his frames.

E (149:59)

He was flaky because of his frames?

A (150:01)

Well, no, nobody was all there made that decision. No. But.

E (150:05)

Well, no, I mean, you've got a lot of people in the tech industry who probably could fall under that. You know, that category is a certain.

A (150:13)

Amount of that kind of stuff. Like I always kind of say, like, I'm sure Madonna has something, but that's why we get Madonna. You know what I mean? It's probably not good if you're married to Madonna, but it's good if you like music.

E (150:24)

Well, it's funny because we did a concert with Stephen Stills and Kristen Stills and Chris Stills and I do a concert every year for Autism Speaks called Light up the Blues. And Stephen has said that a lot of, and, and a lot of people that he works with are on the spectrum because they're in music and that's just the way it is.

A (150:44)

Oh, sure.

E (150:45)

That's why they're doing what they do.

A (150:47)

Yeah. No, I mean even that. I mean, sometimes it's just having your mother die when you're 14, or having a horrible childhood or a dad who ignores you or whatever it is puts that fire in the belly. And unfortunately, sometimes it never goes out.

E (151:05)

Exactly.

A (151:05)

You with end up with these incredible artists who are sometimes incredible pains in the ass, but incredible art. And since we're, like I said, not married to them, good for us. It's a poker tournament, by the way, and you'll be there. I don't know what other notables will be there, but it is Saturday, July 26, in Santa Monica, and Where in Santa Monica?

E (151:26)

It's at the Water Garden in Santa Monica. 1601 Cloverfield. And it's, it's great. This is the second year we've had it and do you want to talk a little bit about it? How much fun you had there?

F (151:38)

I lost too soon.

A (151:40)

Oh, really?

E (151:41)

He had to buy in like three times.

A (151:42)

I think I've, I've only done one of those things and I didn't know if you kept winning. It went on for 14 hours. I was like, this is a pretty long tournament.

E (151:53)

So you were in a real tournament though?

A (151:55)

I was in a celebrity tournament. But the celebrities take, they take their cards pretty damn seriously. It's weird. I always try to explain to people how insanely competitive celebrities are and they're always. It's funny because people assume that celebrities are sort of soft or not good at things or just. They do that. Oh, come on. He's a buh, buh, buh, buh. He's pampered, you know, he's a celebrity. I said, what do you think makes Tom Cruise? Tom Cruise? How many guys did you have to crawl over to get to where he is today? Short say wherever he is, he's doing push ups somewhere right now. He's not eating a jelly donut and watching the World Cup. He's doing it.

F (152:38)

He had to stand on his toes to kiss her, didn't he?

A (152:41)

Yes. What's her name?

D (152:43)

Kidman.

A (152:44)

Kidman, Nicole. But the point is these are people that are wildly competitive and when you sit them down and you start shuffling a deck, they get even more competitive.

E (152:52)

Than once they hear that.

A (152:54)

Yeah. So sorry.

F (152:58)

He also had, you know, the. I. What's the cult?

A (153:05)

Oh, Scientology. Yeah.

F (153:08)

As did John Travolta.

A (153:11)

Yeah. Do you know those guys?

F (153:13)

I've met John in the past. Never met Cruz.

B (153:16)

They'll be at the poker tournament.

C (153:19)

Maybe.

E (153:19)

We'll see. We know Don Cheadle was there last, last year.

A (153:22)

Oh yeah.

E (153:23)

He's focused and he, he was, he was very focused. That, that man is serious.

A (153:27)

I, I've done, I've done that celebrity Toyota celebrity car race four times. I can tell you those celebrities are insanely serious about. It's just about anything competitive, anything you put them in. Because how else are you going to. Why would we know their name if they weren't insanely competitive? There's a lot of good looking people who can act. Look at Ed.

F (153:46)

I'm not, I'm not insanely competitive.

C (153:50)

Were you at one point, I wouldn't.

F (153:53)

Have gone into the Tom contest. If I thought I could be beat.

A (153:58)

Well, how did you get. How did your early career start? And let's talk about that for a couple of beats, if we could, because obviously it was competitive back when you got started as well.

F (154:10)

Nothing like it is today, really.

A (154:13)

Nothing.

F (154:16)

I wouldn't have had the guts to enter the fray today.

A (154:20)

Well, would you? Are you being modest? I mean, is it sort of like what music is today where there's just so many bands?

F (154:28)

I suppose so.

A (154:29)

So hard to stand out amongst them.

F (154:31)

Also, the, the institutions have been destroyed there, there are, there is no studio system, there is no great spread of influence by the moguls so that it's, it's spread throughout the country. The union, in my opinion, has been destroyed. So it's no longer the watchdog that it used to be. And the celebrities don't put out for it like they used to.

A (154:57)

So if you were. And how old were you when you got started as a professional actor?

F (155:02)

I got my card, I think when I was 19.

A (155:04)

New sperm.

E (155:06)

New sperm.

A (155:07)

So back then when your sperm was shining like a new dime, wouldn't wait to expend it. No, I know it's holding me down right now. It's poison in me.

F (155:19)

I didn't save up.

A (155:20)

Yeah, no, I understood.

B (155:21)

It was burned a hole in.

A (155:22)

Yeah, yeah, keep turning it over.

C (155:24)

Yeah, you got to spend sperm to make sperm.

F (155:26)

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, it does curdle, you know.

A (155:30)

Yeah.

F (155:30)

I found that you get rid of.

A (155:33)

It, especially in this weather.

F (155:35)

So.

A (155:35)

So the. So do you think a 19 year old Ed Asner could make it today in, in Hollywood?

F (155:43)

I doubt it.

A (155:44)

You really do? Yeah.

E (155:46)

You know, I once asked him, you know what, what would you have done if you hadn't been an actor? What would you have done? And he looked at me very seriously and said the alternative. It is just too horrible to think about.

F (155:58)

Did I say that? Yeah, I got.

A (156:00)

Damn liar.

F (156:02)

No, I quit school early when I found out I wanted to be an actor. College that is. And I went to work in steel mills and auto plants to find out what real life was about that I've been going for a while.

A (156:22)

Well, I had this conversation with somebody because there's a lot. I have twins. Old sperm too. And a lot of that. You want them to go to college, don't you? I mean, don't you want them to go to college? They gotta go to college. I'm like, yeah, I'd like them to work for one year so they could appreciate college. Like so that they were begging to Go to college after working a year at the GM plant or the metal foundry or roofing or whatever the hell it was. Like just something for something. Yeah, just something for a year. So they could. But you know what? Even the Peace Corps is a little exotic. What I want is monotony. Because what people don't realize is most jobs are simply shitty monotony. You spend your whole day just stacking the same crate, scraping a roof, working at whatever you did over there back in Detroit or Pittsburgh, Kansas City and Chicago. Or Kansas City and Chicago. But what makes those jobs horrible is the pure monotony of it. You know, people talk about, well, you could go over to this exotic country and get a horrible waterborne disease. But that's not the shitty part. The shitty part is the conveyor belt part of life where you're just stamping the same thing. Oh, working the press just over and over again. It's mind numbing. It's basically the kind of work you do in prison. If you think about it and you.

C (157:46)

Realize how not important you are too, for a whole generation, that would be a huge wake up call.

A (157:51)

Right, right. Just one year of that and then you can go off to college and hopefully appreciate it a little bit.

F (157:57)

Well, that's why I welcomed universal service. About how great to take every youth before he could go to college. Taken for a year, year and a half, two years, international service, didn't matter what it was. It could be inner city, could be counseling kids. It could be army, could be Navy, whatever you want. Serving the country.

A (158:23)

I love that idea.

E (158:24)

Do you think it'll ever happen?

F (158:26)

No, because there's too many special interests.

A (158:29)

It'd be great just to go. You know, that's the whole thing. It's the.

F (158:33)

And look, look, look. Get the product you'd get in college.

A (158:37)

Oh, my God. Well, you'd have people that were dying. I mean, for me, you know, after, I never went to college. But after a year of, you know, cleaning up garbage on a construction site and digging ditches, I was dying. You know, I had friends who went to college. I was like, oh, man, that's so cool what you get to do. And they were miserable about it. Or they didn't. They certainly didn't appreciate it the way they would have appreciated if they just did one year with the Coast Guard Reserve. Just one year of something, you know, and four years is a little much. Enlisting in the army or whatever. Just one year where you're just picking up garbage by the side of the highway or whatever it is. And then it's off to college.

F (159:19)

But the point, the other good point, is that you take the rich kids, the high middle class kids, and you mingle them with ghetto kids.

A (159:27)

That's right.

F (159:27)

And that's the. To me, it would be the greatest democratization that ever occurred in this country.

A (159:33)

I love that. I was. Like I said earlier in the show, I took a hike with a guy, found out his kid was going off to college, going off to ucsb, and I just, I didn't really want to say anything to him, but I was like, I knew guys who went to UCSB and never came back. They just went, fuck it. I'm working at a Starbucks.

E (159:51)

They're still looking for them.

A (159:52)

Right. I'm never putting my shoes on again. I'm going barefoot or flip flops. Like, I ain't coming back. And I don't want my kids to go to Santa Cruz or UCSB or San Diego. I don't want them to go to some beautiful place and indulge themselves. I want them to do a good hard year on some farm somewhere and then go to. Then go to Detroit or. Detroit. Yeah. Yes. Let me go to Ithaca or wherever that is. All right. Should we do a little bit of news?

F (160:22)

News.

A (160:22)

Allison Rosen.

D (160:23)

Yes, that's the news with Allison Rosen.

F (160:26)

You're Allison.

A (160:27)

Read some news from her iPad sometimes. That's her.

C (160:36)

You're my new favorite.

F (160:42)

I'll take it.

C (160:44)

So Joan Rivers did an interview with CNN to promote her new book, Diary of a Mad Deer Diva, and she got upset and ultimately stormed out. And we have a video clip.

A (160:55)

You, you know, you have some shock value to you. I mean, you're on the COVID of your book. You're wearing a fur.

D (161:00)

And you knew that there would probably.

A (161:01)

Be animal rights actors. You know, this whole interview is becoming a defensive interview. No. Are you wearing leather shoes?

D (161:08)

Yeah.

A (161:09)

Shut up. You know what I mean? I don't want to hear you're wearing fur, you're wearing leather shoes. You're eating chicken, you're eating meat. I don't want to hear this nonsense. Come to me with a paper belt and I'll talk to you. But you did hear it in some.

C (161:26)

Of those press conferences.

A (161:27)

There were people who were upset.

D (161:28)

And you're just saying, no, you know, I'm going.

A (161:30)

I really am going. Because all you have done is negative. All you have done is negative.

D (161:36)

I haven't heard.

A (161:37)

I make people laugh for 50 years.

D (161:40)

I am put on earth to make people laugh.

F (161:42)

Laugh.

A (161:42)

My book is funny. I wear fur that was killed 15 years ago.

D (161:47)

I work for animal rights. Stop it with.

A (161:50)

And you do this, and you're mean, and you're.

D (161:52)

That you are not the one to.

A (161:53)

Interview a person who does humor. Sorry. Are we serious? Wow.

C (162:01)

So you can tell that the host, Frederica Whitfield, wasn't sure if Joan Rivers was serious or not. And then later she, she, you know, says that she thought that maybe it was joking, but Joan Rivers was mic'd on her way out and was dropping all these four letter words. So it was very serious.

F (162:17)

Serious enough made the columns.

A (162:19)

Yeah, there you go. By the way, once you hit 86, I don't think you can storm off. I think it's sort of a shuffle or saunter.

D (162:27)

What?

A (162:27)

Perhaps. Oh, no, Ed. No, Mr. Asner, no.

F (162:30)

Please press on.

A (162:32)

You take my old sperm in the spirit in which it was intended.

F (162:36)

I have nothing to carry it in.

A (162:41)

Please use my goblet. Joan. Joan. I love Joan Rivers. I don't know why. That's nice. No, I, I, I, I don't know. Is it the hood? Is it her motor? I mean, she's, is she 83, 84? I mean, what a. I just yelled it out. But I mean, I just love her motor. I mean, I know she shouldn't have given that poor person such a hard time about whatever it is. But I do know these interviews where it's like you think you're doing an interview on your new book or your new whatever, and it's just everything is, well, what about this comment? What about that? And surely they want to get you on your heels. Can we just. How about this? How about you read a couple chapters of the book and then you interview me on what the book is?

C (163:31)

I thought it was interesting what she said. You're not the right person to interview someone about humor. Well, that seems she seemed serious at all.

A (163:39)

Here's the thing. As we were speaking about earlier in the show, there used to be news and then there was entertainment reports, just like there was weather. And when you're doing the weather report, you don't start working politics or political correctness or whatever in the weather. We just want to know where, what the humidity's gonna be like tomorrow.

F (163:59)

Global warming, huh?

A (164:00)

Yeah. We gotta start weaving everything into everything. And what I'm saying is, if you're gonna do an entertainment report, you're gonna interview Joan Rivers about her book, then just interview her about her book. Like, she's funny, she's lively, Let her talk about her book.

C (164:15)

And earlier in the interview, the interviewer said something about how Joan Rivers was mean or known for being mean. And Jo, Joan Rivers was saying that she's not mean. And these comments, you know, if she said she was talking about her show, Fashion Police, and that what they say on the show is just what people at home are thinking, and that if someone's wearing an ugly dress, she'll say it's an ugly dress. And that's not mean, though. And that these people that they're Talking about make 26 million a year, and she's sure that it doesn't bother them.

A (164:42)

Well, also, you know, it's interesting. I mark this day on the calendar, but let me take the side of the ladies here. Don Rickles says whatever the fuck he wants, and everyone just laughs about it. Joan Rivers is basically the female Don Rickles, but she's got to be labeled a bitch because she owns ovaries and not the sack that Ed uses to transport the old semen in.

F (165:05)

We're not sure about her ovaries.

A (165:07)

We're not sure. But the point is that.

F (165:09)

And they're old ovaries.

A (165:11)

If she was an old ovary, men.

C (165:12)

Are allowed to be, quote, unquote, mean a lot more.

A (165:14)

Yeah, she gets a bad rap, I think, because she's a woman. I mean, she's just.

C (165:18)

First off, look at you, Adam. Wow, she's sharp.

A (165:21)

I mean, at that. Gary. How old is she, by the way? She's probably putting on the screen, but, I mean, she's fucking lucid and sharp and fun. Just that little exchange right there where she's like, you got a paper belt on? What are your shoes? She's 81 years old and just going at it.

B (165:38)

There was a documentary made about her a couple of years ago. See it to work. It's great. It's. It's streaming on Netflix. You can all watch it, but it's. It's really, really good. And she's lucid and funny, and it's sad that she's become kind of a caricature portrayed as a caricature, because she has been funny for so long, and it still has, like you said, a motor. Like, she still gets up and goes.

A (165:56)

But it's also insane that. And I don't know what her finances are, but she is wired in such a way that if she literally took four months off from playing a date, that she would become irrelevant. And that's got to be. At a certain point, maybe she had.

E (166:16)

A bad day, though.

C (166:17)

She feels that way.

A (166:18)

I think she feels that way. And at a certain point, you want to Tell her you don't have to do 128 dates a year. You're 81 years old. Enjoy your grandkids.

C (166:29)

Yeah, the documentary left me feeling with sort of a sad feeling because she's just got this emptiness inside that you can tell she's trying to fill constantly.

A (166:42)

Yeah. By the way, online it says she's worth 150 million bucks and she's probably not going to live to 135, so she should be okay. Give a little donation to autism speech and call it alive.

F (166:55)

I'd like to borrow a cup of sugar.

A (167:00)

So anyway. But we do love anyone with a mother, right? Yeah.

F (167:06)

You reduced her to 81. Now, which is it, 86 or 81?

A (167:11)

I do a lot of talking out of my ass. That's the name of my charity. Autism speaks. It's Adam's ass speaks. You can count on this. First off, you'll not be welcome back on the program. Number two. 81 is what you can count on. Oh, yeah, 86, I think. Throw out.

F (167:31)

She's a fisher.

A (167:32)

Yeah.

E (167:33)

You're saying she looks 86?

A (167:35)

I'm saying when somebody. She's been old for a long time. And also, there is a problem with doing too much plastic surgery, which is we can't count the rings in the tree anymore. We don't know how. Now, at a certain point, it's working against you because we're going up, we're going the wrong direction.

C (167:52)

And then you start doing that piecemeal thing, like, oh, well, you can sort of tell from her neck, but her hands. Like when you have to judge things by neck and hands.

A (167:59)

Right.

C (168:00)

That's too much work.

A (168:01)

All right. Anyway, she'll be missed.

F (168:03)

How do you feel about my neck? Can you see my neck?

C (168:08)

Very smooth. Sleek.

F (168:12)

Get your hands on.

A (168:13)

There we go. There we go.

E (168:15)

There we go.

A (168:15)

All right. This would be a good time to hit.

F (168:18)

Wait a minute. She's looking at my neck.

A (168:20)

She can lock drinking it in.

F (168:23)

What about the hands? I'll put the hands.

A (168:24)

She'll absorb the hands.

C (168:26)

Manly.

F (168:27)

Thank you.

A (168:28)

Heliocare. Ah, you want to keep your skin looking younger, like Mr. Asner. Helio Care. Sun can do terrible things to your skin. Even on cloudy, overcast days. Walk into the mailbox. Especially if you're super rich and have a very long driveway like Joan Rivers does. You use Heliocare. It's a daily use. It's a dietary supplement. It's got something called pla in it. And you put it in you and you wash it down with a little tap water and it has antioxidants in it and it formulates and it stops the sun from hurting your skin. It is fantastic. Thousands of dermatologists want samples of Heliocare for their patients and you can try it out. Two months, you can get a two month supply. You can get Helocare at Walgreens or Rite Aid. You go to the vitamin aisle. You just look for the yellow and black box. Check them out online at Heliocare. H E L I o care heliocare.com all right, let's do another story.

C (169:25)

All right, so we talked a bit about it, but let's go a little more in depth on the firing of Opie and Anthony's Anthony Kumia from Sirius xm. Anthony Kumia. So they released a statement, the decision was made and Kumia informed late Thursday, July 3rd after careful consideration of his racially charged and hate filled remarks on social media. Media. Those remarks and posting are abhorrent to Sirius XM and his behavior is wholly inconsistent with what SiriusXM represents.

A (169:54)

The hate filled, by the way, hate filled is all right, isn't it? The racially part isn't. But like when you're mugged, aren't you allowed to say things that are hate filled about the person that mugged you? Like that part should be cool, right?

C (170:07)

Yeah, but it wasn't. Well, yes, but it wasn't like he said a bunch of shit to his friend Ned or something. It was very public. So his Twitter account has been suspended. So we don't have all of the tweets, but many of the tweets still live in various articles. So what happened was he's into photography. He was taking photos in Times Square and he took a photo in the direction of a black woman. She was in the shot, I think. He says he wasn't taking a shot of her, but she got upset that he was taking that, that she knew he had taken her photo. He got upset about that. And then he says that she punched him in the face after she realized she was in one of several pictures he'd been taking. He had a gun on him. And then he said that five more black guys got involved and started beating him up. So here are some of the things he said, some of the tweets. It's a jungle out in our cities after midnight Violent savages own the streets. They all came to defend. I had to yell, like at dogs. Another one. Savage. Violent animal fucks prey on white people. Easy targets. This cunt has no clue how lucky she was. She belted me 10 times I had a gun. Let me find a few more of these.

A (171:23)

Weird that he never pulled it out. Especially if five guys jumped on him.

C (171:27)

He says made him relax. Then she punched me five more times. She's lucky I was a white legal gun owner or she'd be dead. Then five blacks started giving me shots. She called him a white motherfucker. He said, let's see, here she is all up in my face, mouth flapping and yapping. She had already sucker punched me, so I snapped a pic. Wish a cop was around. Although she said she'd tell them I sexually harassed her. Lying cunt. I hope she gets shot in her. And then it's. This has been blurred out, but I think it's ass fuck face.

A (172:08)

It's weird that there's we, you know, there's more than one. Oh, wait, see, what do we have more than one? We have more than one C word. S word. Oh no. F word. F word. I think he might have been using fucking fag. The point is this. It's weird that when you go, she could called. He called. Use the F word. And then you're like, we now have multiple lettered words insults out there.

C (172:36)

He also said, I hope a homeboy beats her to death. They aren't people. And then here's the ones that I find especially bad. So someone said a female beat you. He said, no, an animal bitch used its instinctual violence on me. I restrained myself from playing putting it to sleep. Something about referring to a human being in the it is chilling. Then someone else said, did you hit her back? He said, I was fooled by my upbringing. Don't hit a woman. But this was an animal. I should have smashed its face.

A (173:07)

Wow. Yeah, well, he got attacked. But the question is then is it, is it racist to assume every time? Like, like I would have said if I got attacked by. By a white thug in the street, I would have said this animal came out of nowhere and attacked me for no reason. But then it wouldn't have been racist. But then if the guy was black, then it would have been racist. So then what's then should I not say animal when I would have said animal? Or then who's the racist? And then now we're editing ourselves. I agree with what he said was racist, but I'm just saying, like with the animal thing.

C (173:41)

Yeah. As a rule, if you're talking about black people, don't use the term animal. That's a good one rule.

A (173:45)

I know, Read.

C (173:47)

Really not in the right. In the way you intended.

A (173:49)

I know But I feel like you go nine out of ten times, if you were just attacked on the street, you'd go, this animal came at me drunk and punched me for no reason, or whatever it is like you would say that. And so now we're editing ourselves. But now that's sort of racist. You know what I'm saying?

F (174:09)

But it's easier to say this piece is okay.

A (174:12)

Piece of shit.

E (174:13)

Yeah. You can't go wrong with that.

C (174:14)

Right?

A (174:15)

That's true. Fairly timeless as well, I think if.

C (174:21)

You'Re a white person and you're talking about a violent incident that involved a black person, and you refer to that person as an animal, no matter what, based on historical context, it will be read as racist asners.

A (174:34)

Yes, quite possible.

F (174:36)

No, I don't.

C (174:37)

You don't think so?

F (174:38)

No. I've seen a lot of animals of all stripes.

C (174:43)

No, I'm saying that if you refer to the person that beat you up.

F (174:46)

As an animal, that I would automatically think it would project. That it would be a black person?

C (174:52)

No, no. That the person using the term animal will be seen as racist.

E (174:57)

But don't you think it's what he used after that, what he was saying after that?

A (175:03)

I think if the late, great Carl Sagan was attacked in the streets by a person of color and said, I was attacked by an animal in the streets and he broke, you know, he punched my wife, no one would call him racist. It was in the sea of other things. I agree with you. If you are unfortunate enough to be attacked by person of color, leave animal out of your description. I'm also then gonna argue with my own argument and say it's a sort of form of racism when you would have used it and you're not using it now. Yeah, but it's weird because this has been going on. Howard Cosell, remember he said, oh, that little monkey was scooting with the ball.

F (175:51)

And that was terribly unjust.

A (175:53)

I think it was unjust of the.

F (175:55)

To the Dodger coach. What was his name?

B (175:58)

Alcampanis.

F (175:59)

Yeah.

A (175:59)

Oh.

F (176:02)

Words that, well, seemingly were inoffensive.

A (176:05)

He, like, it was their excuse. Howard Cosell called his grandkids little monkeys. You know, he's like, come here, you little monkey. You know, run around and so when the white out for the Washington Redskins. I think it was the Redskins. I forget who it was actually now, ironically, it was the Redskins. And he said, oh, look at that little monkey scamper. Then there's a bunch of. But that's. It's weird because who could be less racist? Than Howard Cosell.

F (176:31)

Why do you say that?

A (176:32)

I say it because he's one of the few guys that was in Muhammad Ali's camp when Muhammad Ali was protesting the Vietnam War and they were getting his license to fight stripped away. I mean, he's a guy who really went to bat.

B (176:46)

He first got a column.

A (176:47)

Ali. Everyone else. Yeah, he'd be called. He said, I'm Muhammad Ali. Okay? Cassius Clay. You're still Cassius Clay. He was a guy who really championed that guy. At least I don't know how he felt. But it's also. It's hard to do what he did for a living and be racist because you're calling every major prize fight and every major prize fight is a couple African Americans. At least back, you know, in his day, for sure. So. So I would think that he was a guy who was. He was Jewish. He was sort of progressive. I don't think he was a racist. And he certainly didn't mean that the wideout for the Redskins was a monkey, by the way. If that's the way he thought, he wouldn't say it. There's a catch 22.

F (177:35)

Campanis didn't even say that much. He just said that. That blacks weren't good swimmers and he got shit canned. Yeah.

A (177:42)

So it's been going on for a.

F (177:44)

Long time, which was a. A scientific belief at the time anyway.

A (177:49)

Right.

F (177:50)

That because their bone density, they. They sank easier.

A (177:54)

Is that true? Is that what he said?

F (177:56)

Oh, that's what canceled. That's what scientists were saying at the time.

A (178:01)

Yeah. So he's just listening to what was going on at the time.

C (178:05)

I mean, there is an argument, but that's the problem.

E (178:07)

He's not a scientist.

A (178:08)

So. Right.

C (178:09)

That. Here's this guy. He gets attacked. He doesn't fight back. He just shoots off his mouth on Twitter. And now he's out of a job. Now he's the one being punished. I mean, that's sort of the counter argument to all of this.

A (178:21)

Well, I would start by saying with all these cases and not all these cases, but in any incident, what happened? All right, well, the guy went to Times Square to take pictures, and somebody jumped on him and started punching him. Now he's out of a job because of something he did that was dumb after that. But let's at least put it in context. He didn't just get drunk and go on Twitter. He went down to take pictures and got mobbed up, and people punched him. So then he came home pissed off and took to Twitter after being violated and that's what happens when people are. Whether it's Jonah Hill on the street and somebody pushing him with a camera. You are at your worst at that moment and something comes flying out of you. Unfortunately, now it's all captured. So it's all. This has been going on forever, but now it goes on your permanent record. What he said wasn't right. What XM Sirius did wasn't right. And it's getting a little out of hand.

E (179:25)

But anyway, I'm just going to say the thing I would worry about are all the people that favorited that.

C (179:30)

Right.

F (179:31)

All the people that what?

E (179:32)

That favorited that tweet.

C (179:34)

All of those tweets. I know. All right, well, yeah, yeah. No, I mean the responses from people make you weep.

F (179:41)

I'd rather discuss the injustice that was done to Sterling for his comments and the fact that all the calumny was heaped on his head for somewhat racist. But a lot of that was hatred for him, for all of his mistakes prior to that.

A (180:03)

Well, what would you like us. What would you do if you were the commissioner of the NBA?

F (180:08)

I would condemn. But how can you force a person to sell who is branded by an illegal tail?

A (180:18)

I've said that. And I think he could probably sue and probably win. Yeah, I don't know if he probably will. And probably he probably will.

F (180:27)

I was hoping that a leader of the team, a black leader on the team would get his comrades to get together and say we condemn his remarks but feel that his being forced to say hell is unjustified.

A (180:45)

Well, I've always said this about all this stuff.

B (180:48)

Exactly the opposite happened. Which makes your point that people didn't like him and wanted him out and they found a convenient excuse.

A (180:55)

Yeah, well, first we got to find a black starter. Most of those guys ride the pine.

B (180:59)

That's a good point.

A (181:00)

Number one, most guys look like Bill Walton installed on a team. But this is what I'm coming down with on all this stuff, which is not liking somebody or even having someone be a bad person person. There's not grounds for selling or dismissal or really anything. They can just be a bad person. They can say things that are bad. They say things you can disagree with. They can be that person. They're entitled to those bad, wrong, incorrect or just their opinions. That's it. Now, what I hope for is that maybe folks of color don't want to play for this bad person and then it sort of dies on the vi. But we don't have to take every person that says something that we disagree with. And sort of apply direct justice to this person constantly. I would like the market to sort of speak for itself. I would like people to cancel their subscriptions to Sirius XM and they are over. Well, now over this, but I mean, over what he said.

C (182:06)

I see.

A (182:07)

Yeah, you see what I'm saying? Like, I want this sort of market to speak for itself. And, and the idea that you can say something that's asinine, think something that's asinine, or just be a bad person, be a racist person, be a whatever person, and that we're gonna take away your livelihood because we don't like the kind of person you are. Historically, there's been many bad people that have employed many other people, paid tons in taxes and generally have done pretty good and been bad. I mean, you could probably interview a lot of the kids and first wives of a lot of guys who won a lot of wars and employed a lot of people and built a lot of bridges and they could tell you what incredible ass wipes they were. Possibly racist, horrible to their kids. Okay? But it's not our job as a society to correct everybody because we think they're a bad person. They have to essentially hurt somebody. Now it's like they're saying things. You gotta go do something. As a society. I'm tired of everyone policing everyone's mouth. I want them to, you know, police their service dogs. Yes, they're service dogs. I want them police their actions, not what they're saying.

F (183:17)

What happened?

A (183:19)

Where.

F (183:19)

Where was the pursuit of the crime and taping him?

A (183:23)

I. That is unclear because at first it started with she wanted people to. She wanted. He said he wanted to be recorded, but then that she was the archivist. That felt a little thin too. And she didn't turn out to be of the greatest character. All right, let's do one more.

C (183:42)

Community has been picked up for a sixth season by Yahoo. Did you hear about this?

A (183:47)

I did.

C (183:47)

It's exciting for shows that have really engaged audiences. When the networks don't want to do them anymore, then they still find audiences elsewhere.

A (183:56)

I. A very sad testimonial to what I think of this town is my good friend Joel McHale stars in Community. I turn on the computer and it said, community picked up on Yahoo. Or picked up. Where was it? Yahoo.

C (184:08)

Yahoo.

A (184:09)

Picked up on Yahoo for six season. I went, poor guy, he's got to do six seasons. Sounded like such a pain in the ass to me.

C (184:16)

I guess I never thought of it that way.

A (184:18)

Yeah, doing fucking TV shows is a huge pain in the Ass.

F (184:21)

How many?

D (184:22)

This will be the 60s.

A (184:24)

How many Mary Tyler Moore run for seven years? Oh, yeah. Seven Emmys. There you go.

C (184:32)

Those seasons were how many episodes per season?

F (184:35)

Between 24 and 28.

C (184:37)

Yeah. Now it's like 5.

E (184:38)

13. Yeah, right, exactly.

A (184:41)

I love it when Ted Knight would go, but Lou, I don't know why I love that character.

F (184:46)

Well, because you identify.

A (184:48)

I did. God, I mean, there were certain shows I had to watch as a kid that I didn't really want to watch. I didn't want to watch Maude that badly. I didn't want to watch, like, I don't know, gomer Pyle or McHale's Navy or something like that. But always look forward to Mary Tyler Moore. It's a great show. Always. And the characters were great. And it's so strong. All right, let's bring it home.

C (185:14)

That's the news. I'm Alison Rosen. Zit animals. You gotta spend sperm to make sperm.

A (185:20)

That was the news with Alison Rosen. 24 episodes a season back in the day. That's at least what gary said. Well, it's 168 divided by seven. Seven Emmys now.

C (185:34)

It's so few.

F (185:35)

And before that, it was 36 of 37. Not long before that.

A (185:39)

Wow. Yeah. Now it's so weird. You talk to people. They picked us up for sale. I always kind of want to go six. What is that? All right. Loot Crate, baby Monthly subscription box. If you're a geek out there, a gamer, you're into pop culture, you got Loot Crate, Star Wars, Marvel, Walking dead. Less than 20 bucks a month. Six to eight items, all licensed gear, apparel, collectibles, one of a kind stuff. And more valued at over 40 bucks each crate guaranteed. By the the way, that's a nice gift. Subscribe by the 19th and you can receive your month's crate. That's right. 19th of the month is when the cutoff happens. Lootcrate.com ACE Enter the code ACE. Save 10% on your new subscription. You got a friend out there that's into the pop culture stuff, the gaming, the Star wars, whatever it is. Lootcrate.com Ace all right, us help us fight the patent trolls by going to fund anything. The battle continues. Fundanything.com patentroll we thank you in advance for your contribution. Also my book present me still out there, still selling. If you want to get it and send in the jacket, I'll sign it and you can go to our website and find out where all the merch and apparels and all that kind of stuff is us, Irvine in Las Vegas coming up, Go online, find out when we're going to do a live show. Allison Rosen, your new best friend, is on every Monday and Thursday. ITunes, alisonrosen.com, mary Kathryn Ham is on this week's program. And of course, Ed Asner and friends for the annual poker tournament for autism that is Saturday, July 26th in Santa Monica. And deadline to register is July 20th. And you can go to autismspeaks.org autismspeaks.org thank you, Matt. Thank you, Mr. Asner.

E (187:42)

Thank you guys very much.

A (187:43)

Until next time, is Adam Carolla for Matt Asner, Ed Asner, Alison Rose and Paul Bryant saying mahalo.

F (187:55)

I was in early 50s, I think.

B (188:03)

All right. This is adam Krill Show 1361. That does it for today's Krill Classics. Make sure to tune tomorrow for an all new installment. Until then, mahalo. And get.

A (188:23)

Sam.