Mark Geragos talks Nick Reiner, Bill Cosby, Derek Chauvin and More

Summary

The Adam Carolla Show — January 6, 2026

Episode: Mark Geragos talks Nick Reiner, Bill Cosby, Derek Chauvin and More
Featured Guests: Mark Geragos (Defense Attorney), Alicia Krause (Washington Examiner)

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Overview

In this episode, Adam welcomes renowned defense attorney Mark Geragos and journalist Alicia Krause for a sprawling, candid conversation covering high-profile criminal cases and cultural commentary. Major topics include Mark’s insight on the Nick Reiner parricide case, updates and analysis on trials such as P. Diddy, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, and Derek Chauvin, the challenges of mental health and the justice system, as well as a humorous but sharp critique of political leadership, bureaucracy, and “DEI” (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) hiring in government. Throughout the show, Adam brings his signature irreverent wit and unfiltered takes.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

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[00:00–03:11] Show Opening & Teasers

• Adam introduces Alicia Krause for the news and Mark Geragos to discuss the Nick Reiner situation, P. Diddy, Bill Cosby, Ron Jeremy, Harvey Weinstein, and the broader subject of cameras in the courtroom.

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[03:12–06:55] Cameras in the Courtroom and the “Drawing Paradox”

• Adam argues that if courts won’t allow cameras, they should also not allow courtroom sketch artists, riffing humorously:

  “There's not a woman alive who’d say no to the camera, but yes to letting a guy draw her.” (Adam, 03:20)

• The crew jokes about caricature artists in court and the inconsistency of documentation rules.

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[04:45–11:14] NFL Showmanship & Parity

• Discussion on how professional sports (especially the NFL) now engineer more “parity” to keep games entertaining and close, contrasting that to government apathy.

  “Every professional organization wants people hanging in until the last second. … The government’s just like, ‘Who cares?’” (Adam, 05:45)

• Adam despises how football commentary often immediately jinxes players.

  “From the time he says he’s done a good job protecting the ball to the time he fumbles … is less than two seconds.” (Adam, 09:09)

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[11:15–14:23] Culture, Social Trends & “Love Is Love”

• Adam riffs on the performative hypocrisy of on-air reactions, referencing an ESPN newscaster visibly uncomfortable watching two men kiss:

  “He turns a ‘whoa’ into a ‘woo’… He works for a shitty network that has to pretend it’s progressive so you don’t get fired.” (Adam, 13:24)

• The group discusses how natural human reactions are often disguised for social reasons and how it relates to changes in societal norms.

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[14:24–26:43] Political News & Critique

• Alicia details Minnesota Governor Tim Walz dropping out of the race amid scandal and fraud investigations.

  “He’s a douche and a dope, and his wife is worse, and his daughter seems worse than both of them. So fuck off. Hit the fucking bricks, you idiot.” (Adam, 18:11)

• They discuss the Democratic Party’s identity politics and the adverse side effects of diversity hiring, referencing Kamala Harris, Karen Bass, and Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor.

  “Kamala Harris and Karen Bass actually hurt the movement … now you associate a black female with being a shitty mayor.” (Adam, 24:42)

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[26:44–33:17] Progressive Bureaucracy, Housing, and Government Overreach

• Criticizing New York politicians appointing openly socialist and communist-leaning appointees.
  • Audio clip of Sia Weaver advocating property as a collective good, not individual.
  • Adam and Alicia argue such ideas are fundamentally unrealistic because “people can’t be trusted to play nice or share like that anymore.”

    “We live in a society where people pull copper wire out of streetlights. We cannot be left alone or unsupervised.” (Adam, 28:46)

• Adam rails against government bureaucracy and overregulation, especially in housing and building inspections.

  “When it comes to you taxpayer, building your own home at your own expense, they are up your ass 24/7 nonstop… but with COVID checks to prisoners, not so much inspection.” (Adam, 40:07)

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[41:28–46:06] Mark Geragos Joins — Recent Cases & Personal News

• Mark talks about his daughter Teny’s legal work on P. Diddy and sex trafficking cases, including an upcoming high-profile trial of the Alexander brothers in New York’s Southern District.

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[50:21–54:40] Harvey Weinstein, Prosecutor Budgets, and Spending

• Geragos explains how the unlimited resources of prosecutors lead to endless retrials (Weinstein facing a potential third trial in NY), contrasting it to the financial constraints faced in business disputes and defense.

  “If prosecutors had budgets, it would completely upend the criminal justice system.” (Geragos, 50:59)

• Adam recalls how Detroit spent millions prosecuting Dr. Kevorkian despite the city’s collapse.

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[59:40–61:12] Nick Reiner Parricide Case — Legal Analysis

• Geragos comments on the likelihood of the defense pursuing a “not guilty by reason of insanity” and the central role of mental health in such cases.

  “If it’s a legitimate diagnosis of schizophrenia, and they start self-medicating with drugs…when you put them into a jail setting, they're in a fog for weeks….” (Geragos, 61:12)

• Discussion about the tragedy for Rob Reiner’s family and the practical outcomes for Nick:

  “The system is not really designed to deal with mental health…LA County jail system is the largest mental health facility in the world.” (Geragos, 67:54)

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[70:58–78:01] Homelessness, Mental Illness, and Systemic Failure

• Adam’s theory on why the “unhoused” label is misleading:

  “Everyone’s house was removed … but not one person spent the night on the sidewalk. It’s not the house part—it’s addiction and criminal insanity.” (Adam, 69:16)

• Mark concurs, noting the intersection of poor mental health services and public safety.

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[83:36–86:38] Menendez Brothers Parole & Broader Justice Themes

• Geragos updates on the possible upcoming parole hearing for the Menendez brothers.
• Critique of how public perception and political optics (e.g., governor’s presidential ambitions) influence legal decisions in parole and pardons.

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[86:39–89:28] Derek Chauvin — Dual Prosecutions & Mob Justice

• Adam and Mark express dismay over the Chauvin case—Emphasis on “mob justice” and unfair dual prosecution (state and federal).

  “The die was cast...because if he’s found not guilty, they’re going to burn the town down...Then that’s not justice.” (Adam, 85:15) “When medical examiners change their testimony because of law enforcement…that should frighten anybody.” (Geragos, 88:26)

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[99:12–101:59] Bill Cosby, Weinstein, and “Retroactive Prosecution”

• Geragos and Adam debate the fairness of prosecuting (and redefining) “historic” misconduct cases under modern standards.

  “It’s a strange world we live in that you can be prosecuted for what you did decades before...and you think it’s good. That’s revisionist history.” (Geragos, 99:12 & 101:59)

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[91:32–96:51] Cameras in Courtrooms: The Policy and the Paradox

• A recurring theme: Adam (and Mark) argue for full video transparency in courts, noting the absurdity of sketch artists in the AI era.

  “We’re a weird culture: we don’t allow cameras, but we allow someone to draw as best they can.” (Adam, 92:33)

• Mark adds that closed-circuit feeds are already available in courts—making the ban on public video even more arbitrary.

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Memorable Quotes

• “DEI hiring is not working out that well.” — Adam Carolla (23:16)
• “If prosecutors had budgets, it would completely upend the criminal justice system.” — Mark Geragos (50:59)
• “We live in a society where people pull copper wire out of streetlights. We cannot be left alone or unsupervised.” — Adam Carolla (28:46)
• “The LA county jail system is the largest mental health facility in the world.” — Mark Geragos (67:54)
• “Kamala Harris and Karen Bass actually hurt the movement … now you associate a black female with being a shitty mayor.” — Adam Carolla (24:42)
• “If it’s truly mental illness, it’s the most frustrating thing in the world… the exhaustion factor of those around the people who are suffering from this is real.” — Mark Geragos (75:17)
• “When medical examiners change their testimony because of law enforcement…that should frighten anybody.” — Mark Geragos (88:26)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:12 — Cameras in the courtroom & media coverage
• 05:45 — NFL “parity” & government apathy
• 13:24 — “Love is love” and performative social progressivism
• 18:11 — Tim Walz exit & criticism of political accountability
• 23:16 — Critique of DEI hiring
• 26:43 — Analysis of socialist housing policy
• 40:07 — Building regulation vs. government fraud oversight
• 61:12 — Nick Reiner case: plea strategies & mental health
• 67:54 — Jail as mental health system
• 85:15 — Chauvin and trial by mob
• 88:26 — Forensic testimony & corruption
• 92:33 — Cameras in courts, technology, and transparency
• 99:12; 101:59 — The dilemma of retroactive prosecution

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Tone and Style

• Tone: Candid, irreverent, highly skeptical of institutions; funny but deeply critical; sharp, fast banter; explicit language throughout.
• Style: Free-flowing, often tangential; heavy emphasis on real-world anecdotes, analogies, pop culture, and sharp, unsparing humor.

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Listener Utility

Listeners are treated to a no-holds-barred review of hot-button legal and political controversies, with direct, unvarnished insights from one of America’s most prominent defense attorneys. The show highlights absurdities in bureaucracy, flaws in the justice system, and the dysfunctions of current political leadership. If you’re looking for an honest, unfiltered discussion that bridges cultural critique, criminal justice, and biting humor, this episode delivers.

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Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

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[Mark Geragos]

And now.

[Adam Carolla]

Adam Carolla. Yeah, get it on. Got to get on a choice they've got on your mandate. You get it on now. Thanks for tuning in. Thanks for telling a friend. We love that about you. Alicia Krause got the hello news. I'm going to talk to Mark Geragos in the second half. We'll get all into the the whole Nick Reiner situation. He has many thoughts on that. We're getting a Derek Chauvin situation. Getting to Ron Jeremy situation. We're getting to Bill Cosby. We're getting to all Weinstein. We're getting to all of it. And cameras in the courthouse.

[Dawson]

I'm curious to think. No, if he thinks they're good or bad? I have some friends that are attorneys that have very strong stances on this with the cameras. Uh huh.

[Adam Carolla]

My feeling is consistent, which is if you're not allowing cameras, then you shouldn't allow someone to draw everything. You should just go, no. Like, there's not a woman I know where I'd go, like, you mind if we make sweet love? Okay. And I film it. No. Okay. So I said, my buddy Rich just draws no Also no for the same reason. Just no. Or she'd go, I like that idea. In which case we would do it. But either way, it's either a bad idea or a good idea. Do you know a woman to have things documented?

[Dawson]

But then what about a court reporter? Because she's sitting there like, I know, I just gendered court reporters or something.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, they're more women than men. But I'm just saying be consistent. Go. No cameras and nobody drawing. Just like you would in the bedroom.

[Dawson]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

It'd be no to both.

[Dawson]

No.

[Adam Carolla]

Is there a woman alive who'd be like, no to the camera? But I will let that guy who used to work at Knott's Berry Farm see if they can draw my ass as best they could. But I'm gonna be moving.

[Dawson]

I just have like the caricature people. Yeah, like they draw you with a large head.

[Adam Carolla]

What do you like? I like skateboarding. Good, good, good, good, good. I can draw a skateboard.

[Dawson]

You surf next to the bed. On the bed.

[Adam Carolla]

You'd hear the. The easel. Got the easel there.

[Dawson]

Oh, Lordy.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, so I just want to play something because it reminded me of something as I was watching a football game, and I'll forget about it.

[Dawson]

But did you watch, like, there's a good, I think the most interesting final quarter of a football game I've ever seen over the weekend.

[Adam Carolla]

They have figured out, God bless them, by the way. You know, they're in the business of parody. Everybody. Every professional organization now, it can be NASCAR and it could be the NFL, it could be ufc. What they want is good fights in close racing and close games, you know what I mean? Because if a guy is knocking the guy out in the first round, then that's not parity. And if the one car is lapping the field, then that's not parity. And in football, in professional sports, they go, what are we doing? Well, we want people hanging in this until the last second. Right, right.

[Dawson]

I'm the person that didn't turn it on until the last quarter. Cause people on X were like, turn.

[Mark Geragos]

On the game, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Or we want that best of all, right? So what they do is they do a very good job of creating parody. They don't know who the next Tom Brady is, but they have an order of drafting and they have all these rules. And at the end of the. People forget football games were blowouts and boring and, you know, everything. We just, you know, we're midway in the third quarter and the game's over. You know that now it's all the way to the end because the NFL knows what it's doing, and it created parody. And you see NASCAR and there's 35 cars are on the lead lap, and they're four inches away from each other because nobody's pulling away, because nobody has an advantage. Because they created this. They made sure you couldn't do it, and they made a whole bunch of rules. And then every once in a while, someone would slip them a little bit, but then they'd catch up to those people and whatever. And I'm just saying that's what happens when you have outside organizations in charge. And then there's the government that's just like, I don't care. Take some money. Who cares? Like, there's. Who cares? And then it's a shit show.

[Dawson]

But do you think that's a good thing or a bad thing, like them creating that showmanship of sorts?

[Mark Geragos]

Well.

[Adam Carolla]

You cannot punish someone who's a better driver or a better quarterback. You can lay out a bunch of rules that basically says, look, you don't get to outspend a small market like Green Bay by thousand fold. It's not fair to the small market and it's not fair to them. So they lay out a bunch of rules, and then within those rules, whatever cream rises to the top is fine. But I'm sitting around watching NFL games this year especially, and you're like, how.

[Dawson]

Come there's no blowouts?

[Adam Carolla]

Come down to the wire, there's always going to be a blowout. But there's so many competitive down to the last snap. I mean, literally the last snap. Every weekend there's a game or two, and I'm like, when I was younger, this wasn't how it worked. The Steelers would just whoop up on Houston and that would be the end of that.

[Dawson]

Did you see that thing where apparently every time there's been a new pope, Seattle has won a Super Bowl?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, no. But all that stuff works until, like, the squid that can pick the winner of the super bowl, it all works until they say it. And then all of a sudden, the magic is gone and the squid's wrong and the pope's wrong.

[Mark Geragos]

All right.

[Adam Carolla]

Anyway, I got a clip, and it's funny to me because I just literally took it from my TV set, which can turn the volume up.

[Dawson]

I like the nutcracker.

[Adam Carolla]

Turn the volume up. Yeah.

[Mark Geragos]

I think Sam Darnold's done a nice.

[Adam Carolla]

Job tonight, you know, not good enough.

[Mark Geragos]

He's beneficial. More importantly, he's protected the football.

[Adam Carolla]

Protected the football.

[Mark Geragos]

Darnold put the ball on the ground.

[Adam Carolla]

And Charbonnet is able to get back on it. From the time he said he's done a great job protecting the football to the time the other guy yelled, he's put the ball on the ground. Was less than 2 seconds.

[Dawson]

Yeah. It was like a millisecond.

[Adam Carolla]

He announced he's done a good job. He'll play it again. Now when you listen to him, it even takes a second for the announcer to catch up.

[Dawson]

Yep. Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

From the time he says he's done a good job protecting the ball to the time he fumbles the ball away for no reason is less than two seconds. One balls on the ground.

[Mark Geragos]

It usually.

[Adam Carolla]

Takes a play and a half for them to be wrong. Now, it's also why that was like the.

[Dawson]

The 2000. Like the 2000 1001. 1002. Like, safety rule on the highway of the car in front of you.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dawson]

That's how I counted that in my head.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's why I couldn't be in the booth, because I watched a game, and if I was in the booth, it'd be like, Troy, you just said, he did a great job protecting the ball. He just put the ball on the ground. Now, do you think you caused that because of your stupid phrase? And then he'd go, well, you know, some people fumble the ball. Yeah, I know, but you just said. Don't you think it's funny the other guy didn't say a word.

[Dawson]

It does also go. It's very. Sports is very coffee for closers. Like, my husband always comments on, nobody cares about the kicker until you need the kicker.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, there's been a lot of that, Right.

[Dawson]

Like, so many games have come down to the kicker. And I think that these guys. He spent most of the game, quote, unquote, protecting the football. And then in that moment, he didn't. Now he's out the door, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, he's not going out the door. They won the game, and he's gone. I don't know, 13 and three or four or something. And they're the number one seed. So Sam will be. He'll fine. He'll be fine.

[Dawson]

He'll be okay.

[Adam Carolla]

I just think it's.

[Dawson]

You just don't like the commentary.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't mind the commentary at all. I'm just saying, if I go. If I go, this Alicia Krause, she's a summer, but she never wears yellow. And she ought to put yellow on at least once because she's a summer. And then you walk through the door wearing a bright yellow dress. I have to go. Okay, you know what? I'm wrong. I guess I shouldn't have said anything. I can't just keep moving on. I have. It has to be acknowledged.

[Dawson]

Are you doing the color season thing? You know, that's like, trending again now with millennial moms.

[Adam Carolla]

Is it the season?

[Dawson]

The season Things is happening.

[Adam Carolla]

I did not know that.

[Dawson]

I thought maybe all the women in your life are doing it. Like, no, Gen Z is doing it. They're making it trend again.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you're definitely a summer, and I'm wearing gray. And then I don't know if you saw Scott Van Pelt, that they were doing the whole thing where they were going to New Year's Eve and everyone was kissing everyone, and then a couple of dudes were making out with beards.

[Dawson]

Oh, my gosh.

[Adam Carolla]

Scott had a like. Because here's the whole thing about people. It doesn't matter if you're on camera, and it doesn't matter how composed you are. If a car backfires behind you, you're still gonna jump. You jump, you jump. And dudes making out. Heterosexual dudes will put their hand up to block the image. And it's not because they're homophobic. They don't like the image of it. And I used to get in trouble for this. Maybe I still will for stating facts. For stating facts. But for the mouth. Every guy I know, if you show them men kissing, they'll put their hand up. Or, like, there are very little gay bashing for the amount of that that's sewn into our DNA. Just we don't act out on it nearly as much as you think we would as a society for guys who wince and put their hand up when guys are making out. But anyway, Scott Van Pelt is in the studio and some idiot ends with two dudes in beards making out that he's watching and he has a face. And then he also.

[Dawson]

Well, if it was espn, we already know where they are on the political and social spectrum.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. So here it is. Sorry. Yeah, yeah.

[Mark Geragos]

Live makeouts.

[Adam Carolla]

On Sportscenter. Get into it. Oh, what do we. What do we got? We got love in the air. See, now the first reaction was to backfire jump. And then what he did is he turned the jump into a dance. Oh, no, I do this one all the time. No, no, no.

[Dawson]

He's like, what do.

[Adam Carolla]

You were grossed out, Scott, by seeing two dudes make out, but you can't say anything. Now you had a reaction to it, which is your reaction as a mammal. Like as a male mammal.

[Dawson]

I love how excited he was to see the man and woman kissing. He's like, oh, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

And then he's like, oh, he works for a shitty network that has to pretend that it's progressive so you don't want to get fired. So he turns a whoa into a woo.

[Mark Geragos]

Love is love.

[Adam Carolla]

Love is love. Mm.

[Dawson]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Funny, right?

[Dawson]

I had not seen that. That's kind of amazing.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I'd put that in the time capsule of, like, where we're at as a society.

[Dawson]

And most of the viewers probably had the reaction that he had too.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dawson]

There's a reason why this lady recorded it and put it on social media.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't like dudes in beards making out, but it doesn't mean I don't like gay people. I just don't care to see it. But by the way, if you show me a compound fracture, I'll look away too. It's just something I don't want to look at.

[Dawson]

Stitches.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't like looking at it. All right, what do you got with the news?

[Dawson]

Oh, we got some interesting news. So Tim Waltz, one of your faves. He abruptly dropped out of the Minnesota governor's race over the weekend.

[Adam Carolla]

Remember 10 minutes ago, he had his phone with his app with his Wall street app on it. He was laughing that Tesla stock was going down. He's such a douche. By the way, whoever it is, whether it's Tim or anything, Covid or Fauci or Biden or whatever, I just wanna tell em all. You know this is not gonna turn out good, right? Whatever it is you're fucking saying is gonna be thrown in your face. You look like an asshole. He's also dumb, I think is part of it with him. Well, no, he hasn't.

[Dawson]

You think Tim is dumb?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, here's what I think.

[Dawson]

I think he's not as calculating as he's.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I don't think. I don't. I don't think he's, you know, force gump dumb. But there's a thing that the left has, which is a little bit dopey mixed with a ton of arrogance all the time. Like, and the news does it, too. They go, oh, Elon Musk given a Hitler salute. And then Mamdani does the Hitler salute. They're too dumb and they're arrogant. They're super arrogant. So he's arrogant and a little bit dopey. But we'll hear what he is. He's stepping down.

[Dawson]

We gotta do the lead up to this, though. So he did step down and he has this whole long statement.

[Adam Carolla]

Did he step down or did he not run for a second term?

[Dawson]

He dropped out of the governor's race, so he's not. You're right. Thanks for the correction. He is dropping out of running for his second term. He will finish his first term. He said, quote, in a statement. In September, I announced that I would run for a historic. Oh, sorry. Third term in Minnesota's governor. And I have every confidence that if I gave it my all, I would succeed in that effort. But as I reflected on this moment with my family and team over the holidays, here's the important part. I came to the conclusion that I can't give my. I give a political campaign my all. He said that every minute he spends defending his own political interests would be a minute I can't spend defending the people of Minnesota. Wait for it. Against criminals who prey on our generosity and the cynics who prey on our differences.

[Adam Carolla]

We hate different. I'm scared of people who look different than me. I don't know if I've told you that.

[Dawson]

What a laugh, man. So then he released the statement later on the day he goes to do a press conference, and he literally does not take any questions or address dropping out of the race at all.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, well, here.

[Mark Geragos]

I'm proud of the way we treat our neighbors.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm proud of the way that we welcome people to this state. I'm proud of the way that we innovate. And I'm proud of the way that.

[Mark Geragos]

We are optimists for the future.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, no.

[Mark Geragos]

No one's taking this away from us. Not the fraudsters.

[Adam Carolla]

Certainly not this president.

[Mark Geragos]

Not on my watch.

[Adam Carolla]

It's funny. Like he does. He goes, not the fraudsters. Not the fraudsters. And certainly not the president.

[Dawson]

He's more mad at Trump than he is.

[Adam Carolla]

Definitely more. He's definitely more mad. Yeah.

[Mark Geragos]

From us. Not the fraudsters.

[Adam Carolla]

Certainly not this president.

[Mark Geragos]

Not on my watch. Tomorrow I'll be back with you. I'll give you an update on America's.

[Adam Carolla]

Best paid family medical Leave program that is now a week into it, and at that time, I'll take all your questions.

[Mark Geragos]

Thank you all.

[Adam Carolla]

No questions. Yeah. Why would you take questions? Why? You're having a fucking. Making a statement, giving a press conference. Take questions. By the way, this, like, it always reminds me of, like, well, Biden was too tired for the debate. He'd been sitting at Camp David for two weeks. What do you mean now? Like, you're standing at a podium. Take questions.

[Dawson]

Yeah. Also just hours after you announced that you're not running and saying that you're eluding even in that very quaffed statement. You're not running because you know that this fraud scandal is going to ruin your campaign and take up all of your time.

[Adam Carolla]

He's a douche and he's a dope, and his wife is worse than him, and his daughter seems worse than both of them. So fuck off. Hit the fucking bricks, you idiot.

[Dawson]

It's $1 billion right now, and we keep hearing from these whistleblowers that they brought this to the attention of the governor's office, like, forever ago.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dawson]

I don't know. There's some local reporters and activists on the ground that actually think that he made the decision because there might be more coming out.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, it's just gonna get worse for him. And, yes, he's doing this. And good, good riddance. But it's sad. I mean, this guy was almost vice President of the United States, which is crazy.

[Dawson]

I'm like, come on, Democrats.

[Adam Carolla]

Come on, come on.

[Dawson]

Anytime a liberal. Friends of mine are like, ugh, who are you guys going to run in 2028? And I'm like, well, it won't be Tim Walls or Kamala Harris.

[Adam Carolla]

So, yes. All right, good. He's a douche. He's gone.

[Dawson]

All right, next up, you already mentioned this guy Zoran Mamdani, who's super upset about Maduro being kept as a prisoner in New York, by the way.

[Adam Carolla]

You know the funny part? I was screaming about this, I think, on the show the other day, where I was going. Remember when we weren't going to be able to get avocados or remember we moved the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem? The Middle east was gonna be on fire. Nothing ever happens.

[Mark Geragos]

Nope.

[Adam Carolla]

Whatever happens, you get Chuck Schumer going. This is the most dangerous, reckless thing. This is gonna cause the death of many New York. But it never happens. Like, eventually, you guys are the retards who cried wolf at a certain point. Nobody gives a shit and nothing ever happens.

[Dawson]

And people I think, are Kind of waking up a little bit. I think that we forget, even people like me on the right sometimes forget about the broad swath of the middle of the country. That the reason why we tend to have Republicans lose the House or Democrats lose the White House is because there is a shift in the middle of the country. And all of those voters that aren't beholden to one side, and they're like, hey, I'm gonna vote for safety in my wallet, right? And everybody's like, rah. And freaking out about it.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Adam Carolla]

You're welcome. I forgot that Karen Bass, our inept dumb shit mayor, was this close to being vice president as well. Because they needed. Because Biden needed a woman of color.

[Dawson]

Yeah, that was his criteria.

[Adam Carolla]

Like, all right, who are the dopiest women of color on the planet is Kamala Harris and Karen Bass. I don't think people are not duly upset enough about the whole affirmative action thing that Biden was doing. You took.

[Dawson]

We have a Supreme Court justice to show for it, too.

[Adam Carolla]

Okay, well, first off, we have another one, which is Sotomayor. Sotomayor is the dingbat dumb chump who Was arguing for kids to be forcibly vaccinated because she said a whole bunch of kids were hooked up to ventilators. She was lying, and she's a nut job. And an article just came out. Basically study out of wherever. But it said, I don't think any healthy kids died of COVID which is what I was yelling about the entire time. So we have Sotomayor, who's a fucking dumb shit who's trying to get your kid forcibly vaccinated. She's another DI hire. So I don't think the DEI hiring thing is working out that well.

[Dawson]

No, I also think it really undermines, like, maybe the positives of the feminist movement when we're like, hey, hire us because we have hoo haas.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dawson]

Like, that's not beneficial to women. That doesn't help equality. That doesn't help us feel, like, respected or appreciated in the workplace. If it's like, well, I'm only here because I'm a blonde with, you know.

[Adam Carolla]

The movement gets set back. Because if you said, okay, look, what do we got in the NFL? Back to the NFL. What are our quarterbacks? Well, we got white guys, we got black guys, and we got, like, Samoan guys or whatever. And I go, no Jews. And you go, no, we don't care about.

[Dawson]

Maybe there is one. Maybe it's college football, though.

[Adam Carolla]

Maybe it's college. And I go, well, I need some Jews in there. And you go, well, I mean, there's no Jewish guys, Not even on the backup quarterback. Well, let's get a Jew in there. And then the Jew gets sent there and he just throws picks and he fumbles the ball and he gets sacked every time. Well, you would hurt the movement at that point. And then I would go five years from now, I'd go, how come no Jewish quarterbacks? And I go, well, remember Lenny? Yeah, that was a disaster. And you actually. Kamala Harris and Karen Bass actually hurt the movement because you go, los Angeles needs a female. Needs a black female to what? Burn the city to the fucking ground? Like, if you're a normal person, you now associate a black female with being a shitty mayor.

[Dawson]

Yeah. With being a loser.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Dawson]

So who lets the city burn?

[Adam Carolla]

And you hurt the movement.

[Dawson]

Yes, 100%. Another woman that's hurting the movement, A lady named Sia Weaver, who is Mamdani's new director of the city office, to, quote, unquote, I'm sorry, this is a job, quote, office to protect tenants. She made statements and urged her Twitter followers to elect more communists. In several lecturing posts on her now deleted X account, by the way, all.

[Adam Carolla]

This stuff, all your now deleted. Like, all your walking down.

[Dawson]

So proud of it.

[Adam Carolla]

I know. That's the whole thing. Like, when Kamala Harris ran for president, she had to walk back every fucking policy she wanted to put in place from four years earlier.

[Dawson]

Like paying for the transitioning services for prisoners in California.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, yeah, now, no, I'm not against fracking anymore. Like, okay, why are we walking back Your policies, notions and ideas you had in your 50s.

[Dawson]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

Why are you running away from your own ideas?

[Dawson]

This gal is a little younger than that. She said that we need to see the governor's government should seize private property back in June 13th of 2018. And she later doubled down on that in a mini manifesto that she posted in August of 2019. She has videos dating back as late as 2017, but as recently as, like, 2024. Here's a. Here's a brief clip of her ranting about some of her communist beliefs. I think the reality is, is that for centuries we've really treated property as an individualized good and not a collective good. And we are going to, in transitioning to treating it as a collective good and towards a model of shared equity will require that we think about it differently. And it will mean that families, especially white families, but some POC families who are homeowners as well, are going to have a different relationship to property than the one that we currently have.

[Adam Carolla]

I think the reality then it's all extra talk.

[Dawson]

Maybe she should talk to the black Chamber of Commerce about how they are against estate, estate taxes and fines and death taxes and fines and property taxes and fines. Because they know that the family's greatest opportunity out of poverty is having, like, a home that they can pass down for generations.

[Adam Carolla]

Also, hey, bitch, it's not your money. It's not your money. They think it's their money. That's the scary part. And then the other thing is, anytime someone wants me to reimagine anything, I'm out. I don't wanna reimagine Mary Poppins, and I don't wanna reimagine homeownership, and I don't wanna go. We have to think differently about how we used to think. I don't wanna reimagine beauty. I'm not into the fat chicks on the Dove billboard. I'm not into reimagining or rethinking anything. This is how we think.

[Dawson]

You're kinda set in your ways.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm set in my ways.

[Dawson]

That's how we think it's not a part of your New Year's resolution to try something new or embrace a new thought.

[Adam Carolla]

New things are great. You telling me to reimagine beauty going to work for me? I have a pretty good idea.

[Dawson]

Can't you reimagine homeownership, Adam? Can't you reimagine, like, being more equitable in your property?

[Adam Carolla]

They have a serious fundamental problem, which is they are relying on people to not be human beings.

[Dawson]

Oh.

[Adam Carolla]

And that is a huge fundamental problem.

[Dawson]

But part of this is. Part of being human is to be slightly selfish in a lot of ways. And I would say that America has the least selfish people based on charitable donations. And everything that we do for our neighbor and for others, the result of what happened and how everybody came together post the fires is a perfect example of that. But it's like they are so selfish in. In the way that they live their lives, in addition to how they want everyone to support and applaud the way that they live their lives, all while they're telling you you need to give up everything that you've worked really hard for for yourself and your family.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. They have no idea that we're unable to pull off whatever this is. Now, if it would work, then I would applaud it as well, but we live in a society where people pull copper wire out of streetlights. So, no, we cannot be left alone or unsupervised or left or play nice or share. It's not gonna work that way.

[Dawson]

Or even to pretend that everybody has the same thing or equal things to share. You're really talking about taking away from the rich and then the middle class. Because that's what happens when you scare away all the rich people from New York. Then you're gonna start really negatively affecting the middle class in New York and go down from there.

[Adam Carolla]

All their ideas are bad. It could be about community policing. It could be about borders. It could be stop and frisk fighting against everything. They're essentially. They fight against what I say is gravity or something. It's basically they're asking for something that's not achievable. And they live in some sort of utopian, sort of fantasy world where if we took every black citizen and gave them a million dollars, then the black community would be uplifted or something. It's like, no, it would not. It would not work at all. And most of them, half of them would OD within a week. Like, none of your ideas will ever work. All the, you know, show compassion for the homeless, bring them into our homes, have judgment, free injection zones where they can inject themselves cleanly with clean. None of your ideas ever work because they can't. Because they're being applied to human beings. And human nature is not that. And not only is it not that, it's a lot worse than it was 100 years ago. We may have been able to pull off some of these ideas when people were God fearing, family oriented and believed.

[Dawson]

You mean when the family and the church were still involved in everyday life compared to now.

[Adam Carolla]

If you took, you know, if you took one, let's just put it to you this way. 150 years ago, you go, six and a half out of every 10Americans sort of understands the 10 Commandments and sort of lives by it. Okay, then you go, all right, then. And that is a world where we can pull off some of this stuff because these people go by the Ten Commandments. If you're living in a world now where 0.7Americans go by the Ten Commandments, then no, we cannot do this. It's basically, I say it all the time, but I really mean it. If everyone in your society is following the Ten Commandments and you're out of town for Halloween, you can leave a big bucket of candy on the porch and say, limit yourself to one, please. And that'll work.

[Dawson]

Not anymore.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, would it work? No, it is not going to work. Okay, well, then we have people that don't follow that. And for those people that cannot be trusted with daycare money, with clean injection zones, with bring your dog to the airport, whatever, whatever.

[Dawson]

That was such a wide range of options there.

[Adam Carolla]

It's all human frailty and it's all on display all the time. And that's why when you go into the cvs, they've locked up the deodorant and Target too, man, and the batteries. We have to build cages around things because we have such a problem with dignity and character. And there's no way that we can simultaneously have a society that has battery spray paints and hairspray in cages at every store, barbed wire around the freeway signs. And we're on basically the honor system when it comes to you getting money from the state with your autistic child who's on the spectrum. It will all be exploited. It will never work. So there can be no more trust and no more system. Now, it's sad that we got to this point, but we're here now and these asshole politicians are the ones who ushered this shit in.

[Mark Geragos]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes.

[Dawson]

Do you want to hear about somebody else that Mamdani appointed.

[Adam Carolla]

Mm. They're all the best. Well, they're all women or something of color. And they're all dumb. Dumb shit.

[Dawson]

Dina Levi or Levy, a woman, is a new commissioner of Housing Preservation and Development. She's currently serving as senior vice president of the Single family and community Development of New York's Division of Homes and Community Renewal.

[Adam Carolla]

By the way, all of this stuff, you guys haven't dealt with it. It's just one more permit, one more place, one more check. Like one more thing. They get paid a ton. But better, better yet, you know what I was kind of. You know what I was ruminating on today?

[Dawson]

You like that word?

[Adam Carolla]

I like to ruminate.

[Dawson]

You like to ruminate, but you also.

[Adam Carolla]

Like to use the word I ruminate. I was ruminating today. I was thinking. I'm looking at you, Dawson. You know, there's this building site that's down the street that I'm obsessing on because of the pilasters and the caissons and the seawalls and the rebar and the concrete and the shotcrete. And they're building a. A cement bunker up the street on pch. Because all the regulations and all the Whatever. Yeah, and I was down there, and I've been down to that job site. They're tired of seeing me at this job site. I walk around, I take pictures. What are you doing?

[Dawson]

I take a cup of coffee, and you pretend that you're the foreman.

[Adam Carolla]

It's a bunch of Mexicans, and they have no fucking idea what the gringo's doing with this camera. Once again. But I just film film. But the guy me and Andrew ran into last time, we're. There were, once again, a deputy inspector. All right, so here's what I want you guys to dwell on. No longer do you call the inspector to come from the city to come inspect the job site. Now, here's how job sites work. Job sites work this way. Traditionally, you go, I got a piece of land. I want to build a house. Then city building and safety goes, submit your plans. That's called plan check. And then they look at your plans, and they look at engineering, and they look at all the stuff that you've submitted, and they flag stuff. They go, I got number four rebar here. Should be number five. And there's no Simpson hold downs here. And let's see some of those. And they just. By the way, it keeps going up more, more, more, bigger, bigger, stronger, deeper, fatter. More money, more money. And they keep flagging stuff. And then you write them A check? Because, of course, why shouldn't you pay them to build a house that you're going to and pay taxes on and then pay them the taxes on it? And by the way, when you take the house and you do all your home improvements on it, and it goes from a million dollars to 1.7, it gets reassessed. And then you pay more in taxes, and you certainly pay more if it's a dirt lawn and a dirt lot and you build a house there. Now you pay them taxes, but you still have to cut them a check. Yes, for the permits for the privilege of building a house that you're paying for on your own. And then, traditionally, the way it would work is you would form the foundation, and you would call for an inspection. And then the guy would come in from his office, not in a real timely way, but you call for an inspection. A guy come by, look around, okay, Put that piece of rebar up on a riser and think, okay, you're good to pour. And then you do the pour for the foundation. And then start framing, frame. When you're done with the framing, call for another inspection. Inspection. Then electrical inspection, then a plumbing inspection, and blah, blah, blah. And at some point, the guy'd go, you can close up the walls. We're good. But lately and more recently, and I mean, it's been 15 or 20 years, they've decided, why do we have our guys coming from the office and driving over to your place? Well, I would argue it's your rules. And I cut you a check. That's why I didn't want to do this. You want to do it? No, no, no. I'll tell you what. Why don't we invent a position called the deputy inspector? Oh, so you have a deputy inspector from. No, no, not from our office. This is a separate thing. Oh, oh, so you're gonna pay? No, no, we're not paying. You're paying a guy to do the job we don't fucking feel like doing. So you came into our office, showed us plans, cut us a check, and now we don't want to leave our office and come look at your shit. But you can hire somebody at your expense, call the deputy inspector, and then he'll watch your shit, and then he'll bring the shit back to us, and then we won't have to move at all.

[Dawson]

Oh, my goodness.

[Adam Carolla]

So I've been on this job more than once on pch, and I see the deputy inspector, and these fucking guys are. They're not getting minimum wage. They're Engineers with a history, a background, all they do is stand there and watch. They want to make sure they can certify whatever this thing is. These guys stand on this job site all fucking day and get paid a king's ransom. And you pay them. So whoever's doing all the caissons and all the seawalls now has to also pay for the deputy inspector. But here's what I was thinking. When it comes to your job site, and these guys are fanatical about inspections, meaning I have done more than one project where an inspector pulled up on his own accord, got out of his car, walked onto the job site, into my house in one case, and onto another building in another case, and literally went, what's going on? And we're like, who are you? I'm a building inspector. What is going. Who's in charge here? And you go, who's the homeowner? I go, I don't know. You got permit for this? No. You don't have a permit for what's going on here? Well, I was just fixing the drywall. Shut it down. Shut it down. Right. You on that ladder, get down.

[Dawson]

You get my liberty inside.

[Adam Carolla]

Go home. Everyone goes home. And when you get your plans together and you get your permit and you get your whatever, you can come back and see me. Until then, there's nothing going on here. Now get out. He's standing in my house telling me, shut it down. That's what they do. Deputy inspectors, building inspectors. By the way, there is no sliding anything past them. There's no. Well, we closed up the wall. Well, I didn't inspect the electrical wiring. Well, take my word for it. No. Take the drywall back off the wall, okay?

[Dawson]

Oh, my Lord.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, but when it comes to Somali daycare centers, nobody. Somali daycare centers, not nearly as stringent, right?

[Dawson]

Nope.

[Adam Carolla]

No, that's nothing. When it comes to you taxpayer, building your own home at your own expense, they are up your ass 247 nonstop. And when it comes to overseeing Covid checks, going to prisoners, not so much inspection going on.

[Mark Geragos]

No. No.

[Adam Carolla]

Notice that.

[Dawson]

No. And in New York, it's just gonna get worse. I mean, New York has been so unfriendly to the ability to build, which is why there's insane rents. So this lady who works over there, she. This is what Mom Donnie said about her. She's an experienced and fearless house.

[Adam Carolla]

Everyone's fearless. And everyone's a hero.

[Dawson]

Like is everybody. Why do you have to be fearless if you're in housing?

[Adam Carolla]

How about you do your fucking job bitch.

[Dawson]

I would say, like, fearless is a description I'd have for, you know, SEAL Team Six, not a lady that works at an office in City Hall. Okay. Anyway, and he says that he knows that she will fight to protect tenants.

[Adam Carolla]

And everybody's fighting. Everyone's a hero and everyone's fearless.

[Dawson]

Tackle the housing crisis head on.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. The housing crisis is there's not enough inventory because you guys made it way too expensive to build. So if you'd like to address that, we could address the housing crisis.

[Dawson]

That would be accepting of the free market and capitalism working and reduction of government, which he does not want to do.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Mark Geragos]

It's too easy.

[Dawson]

Too easy. Too easy, Adam.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's their fault. All right, let's see. Where are we going? Mark Garagos. That's right. Let's give you a plug. Alicia Kraus, the op ed for the Washington Examiner. Always a great job.

[Dawson]

Thanks.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Mark Geragos]

I've been thinking about you first year in how many years we didn't spend Christmas Day together.

[Adam Carolla]

I know, I was thinking, did he have the party? I had the company party. I was out of town for the company party. But then I thought, wait a minute, did I screw up the Levite or something like that?

[Mark Geragos]

For the first time since you've been going, which is God, you got about a 10 year streak because Teddy just had another baby, another by another little girl. We did in New York this year. So next year we'll be back with all kinds of, all kinds of festivities to get you back.

[Adam Carolla]

Good. I can't wait. And Tenny, your daughter obviously just fresh off the P. Diddy situation. We can talk about that. I saw the four part doc. I don't know if you did, but it was eye opening.

[Mark Geragos]

It's funny because her partner is Mark Agnifolo and there's a scene in that doc where Puff is yelling at the lawyer and people are saying, but it doesn't sound like you, but he's saying mark, Mark, Mark. And he's like, that's Teddy's partner, Mark Agnifolo. And it does not shine the best light on the client, I'll tell you that.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I mean, as we talked about and joke about the Scott Petersons of the world or the Gary Condit's. The Gary Condit one was that crazy situation about the intern that went missing while Chandra Levy. Yeah, that was a crazy. I always want to talk to you about that one too. But, you know, it's not a popularity contest. It's basically what I'm saying. And everyone needs to be represented. And also once you make headlines representing. I collect Paul Newman race cars because at some point somebody found out I had a Paul Newman race car and then wanted to sell me another Paul Newman race car. And then. And it begat and began. And so you go out and you defend a P. Diddy and you're gonna get more of attention from those types of clients. Is that correct? I mean, I don't know what Teddy's off to now, but.

[Mark Geragos]

Right. I mean, she's. In fact, I've been teasing her. She's not only got. She did the Keith Renieri case, which was nexivm. She then did P. Diddy and accomplished basically the impossible. And later this month she's doing. Do you remember these two brothers, the Alexander brothers? They were on a TV show, I believe. I forget the name, but that trial is set for later this month. So I'm hopeful to finish a trial that I'm. That I was in court this morning on. That'll be done. So I can go back there and kind of watch her do her thing again at the end of the month.

[Adam Carolla]

The Alexander brothers. What are they being tried for?

[Mark Geragos]

It's another sex trafficking especially, you know, they ought to rename the southern district of New York, at least until they imported the president of Venezuela. It was kind of the sex trafficking hub. So that's. She's become, as I like to affectionately call my daughter, the sex queen. Or that's kind of her go to case.

[Adam Carolla]

Do they. Were these the two that abducted the guy and they filmed him and then the guy claims he was abducted, but then he left on his own or they were hanging out, partying or whatever. That was out of New York a couple years back.

[Mark Geragos]

Well, yeah, it's out of New York, but this one is kind of I, you know, from afar, I'm not involved in this case. But from afar it looks like that Hampton's Housewives who have regrets is the way I would frame it. So, you know, we went out, we partied, and years later, we're going to reframe what happened there as sex trafficking as opposed to what, you know, as somebody who's spent a fair amount of time in the Hamptons. And it's, it just happens to be something that goes on up there. It's kind of a hangover from the MeToo movement. Basically, Southern District is still there trying indict these cases. Maybe Maduro will kind of cure them of it.

[Adam Carolla]

What's. Before we get into the Rob Reiner and the Nick Reiner situation, because I'm very curious about your take on that. Where are we at with like Bill Cosby and where we at with Weinstein?

[Mark Geragos]

So Harvey just. Arthur Idalla just tried Harvey's retrial, hung again on several accounts. The New York Manhattan DA's office saying that they're going to retry it again. As if at this point anybody really needs their taxpayer dollars spent on the third trial of Harvey Weinstein when he still got a 20 something year sentence that he's appealing here in California. It just goes back to what you and I used to say. If prosecutors had budgets, it would completely upend the criminal justice system.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I mean, well, changes the entire complexion of the relationship. You know, if, if businesses settle out of court all the time because they start with the word business and they're trying to do business and they just weigh things out. But if there was an unlimited budget all the time, every time, there'd just be no. It would completely change the system. And we kind of get it. Like we go, oh, these big corporations, they got so many lawyers, they don't care. But what about the government? They have the ultimate amount of lawyers because they have the ultimate amount of budget. I was thinking about it the other day, you know, I don't know why, but a million years ago, I mean, it's been 30 years, but I remember how much money the city of Detroit spent trying to get Dr. Kevorkian put in jail. And it's like, you guys are bankrupt. You have no crumbling infrastructure, no school system. It's, you know, Detroit 1991, and you just spent 10 million bucks trying to get this elderly guy with a van put in prison on his 79th birthday, you know?

[Mark Geragos]

Yeah. And they do stuff like that. And you, you just don't understand it. It never makes any sense. It's funny, I just walked out of a courtroom here and I'm in San Diego and the. My client is charged. It's what I call a parasite case. Speaking of Nick Reiner and one of the things I said Is the entire family wants my client out. There is nobody who thinks he's a flight risk. There is nobody who says he's a danger to the community. It was a tragic death of his mother, which he's charged with as murder. But there is no interest to vindicate. If you're the DA and you have to say to yourself at a certain point, what. What are you doing? Why. Why are you pursuing this? To your point with Kevorkin, I want to say, four times that case was filed, dismissed, refiled, dismissed. Makes zero sense. I mean, and they do it almost with impunity.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I mean, if you're constantly just playing with house money, then you can. You can participate in folly. I don't want to sound like a turn of the century gentleman, but when you. I got sued by patent trolls. And you had to make real decisions about paying them, fighting them, how much it would cost, getting a change of venue, blah, blah, blah. These are all, like, real conversations because you're having a business. If the. If the answer is just, we have an unlimited amount of money, we can do whatever we want, well, then it completely changes the complexion of what you're doing. And yes, Kevorkian is an elderly guy who's taking out people in the last days of Lou Gehrig's disease in some kind of van. Although I was thinking about that van. That van's gotta be worth something. I mean, I hope they didn't scrap Kevorkian's death, his suicide van. Kevin, that thing would go more than Elvis's Pantera. In a world where Charles Manson paintings are going for a million dollars and Paul Newman watch is going for $18 million, there's a Kevorkian van. There's a premium for the Kevorkian van, and I don't know where that thing is, but.

[Mark Geragos]

Neither do I. But, you know, I wonder if his lawyer got it as part of the fee. I'll have to find out. They. That could. That sounds like the perfect thing for the client who says, hey, I never thought this was gonna go three times, four times over. I'm tapped out. Take my van. And, you know, at the time you're saying, I don't want trade. I don't. What am I gonna do with a van? You had to have the foresight to understand someday it'd be a collector's item.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I'll tell you, this comedian known as Fluffy, you guys know him, he collects VW vans. This is a 68 VW van. A 68 VW van is knocking on the door of 100,000 bucks these days. It's insane. Unbelievable how much a VW van goes and, like, one of those 23 window ones, like 250 grand. Now, the infamous 68 VW van was sold in a private sale August 2015 to a paranormal investigator. So some guy. I'll guarantee whatever he paid for that thing in 2015, he's beat the NASDAQ on it.

[Mark Geragos]

Beat the NASDAQ. He may be rivaling Bitcoin. I mean, an unbelievable investment.

[Adam Carolla]

So. All right.

[Mark Geragos]

Speaking of which.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Mark Geragos]

I was thinking about. I don't think you. Do you still own the Miura? You had a Miura at one point.

[Adam Carolla]

I had three mirrors at one point.

[Mark Geragos]

Okay, you had the orange one. Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

I do not own any more mirrors.

[Mark Geragos]

But I. I thought about you because I was looking at a Miura, and I. It blew me away. It was. It was what? It started with a 2. I think it was like. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I was. I was harkening back just the other day when I was wishing I had all my Miuras, I was hearkening back to a conversation. When I bought my second Miura, I ended up with three. But my second Miura, I bought at auction. I bought it, I don't know, 15 years ago at auction or something. I can't remember what it was. It was a Miura S. So just so you people know, there's the picture. That's the first one. Then there's the S. That's the middle one. Then there's the sv, that's the super expensive one. And that number may start with a 4, as in 4 million. But the point is, I was thinking back. I can't tell you how many conversations I had. Piss ants. Tell me I made a bad choice or whatever. I was eating lunch with Kevin Hench. We're working on a script for a movie at the local greasy spoon. And I had bought this Miura S a month earlier at an auction for $365,000, maybe.

[Mark Geragos]

Oh, that's less. I thought you'd paid 4 and change or 490 or something for it.

[Adam Carolla]

I paid 320 for one and, like 380 for the other. I had this guy come by with his son, and he goes, hey, I saw at the auction in whatever pebble beach, and I saw you got that Miura S. And he goes. And this is how car guys go. He goes, 380. I go, yeah, it's a lot of money for a Miura. I go, well, I think it's kind of the I think it's kind of the going. Right. Yeah. Car, man, the paint was a little rough on it. A little bit rough. I remember seeing that. Yeah. Well, anyway, I was happy with the decision. Yeah. I mean, with the premium. Jesus Christ. You got tacked 10% on it. I mean, you're 4. 420. 415. What are you at with that? I go, okay, listen, I made the purchase. I got the car. I'm fine with that. Yes, that car is 2. 7 today.

[Mark Geragos]

Yeah, it's 2 7. It's unbelievable what has happened with Miuras. I don't. I. I haven't seen this kind of appreciation in Lambos since. You and I used to talk about ferraris in the 80s and the Daytona and what was happening back then and. Yeah, now it's bled over.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's. Look, part of me wants to take a victory lap, and the other part wants to slip my wrist and go into Kevorkian's van. That's what I really want to do. Kevorkian's van. Non running van, VW parts, yard owner Jack Finn for 100. So in 97, Kevorkian sold the van for $150. Finn tried to sell it on ebay, but the listing was removed because of the murderbilia policy on ebay. And then he sold it, I guess, in 2013 or something. For 20. Okay, so sold it to hardcore pond for 20 grand. So, anyway, if Kevorkian had a murder, Miura, could you imagine the price?

[Mark Geragos]

I can't even imagine what that would be worth.

[Adam Carolla]

So much. I got too much to get into. So the Nick Ro. Reiner thing, you know, how much inside baseball do you have on this case?

[Mark Geragos]

Right. Look, I. I have represented young men who have been charged with parricide with the killing of the parent. I have known Alan Jackson, who's his lawyer, since Alan was a baby da. And I've got. And by the way, do you see who the DA's office assigned to it? Habib Balian. Remember the ballion house in Altadena? The. From Balian ice cream. The grandson who also, just coincidentally, was the prosecutor of the Menendez resentencing last year. With me. He's. He's. I now call him the parasite prosecutor. But we've got, I think, day after tomorrow, the arraignment. I'm waiting for whether. I think it's going to be one of two things. Either there's going to be a not guilty by reason of insanity, or Alan is going to declare a doubt as to Nick Reiner's competency and the competency, if I'm Alan Jackson, that's what I would do because my experience and I, I think I caught a video of you and Drew talking about this. But my experience with guys, if it's a legitimate diagnosis of schizophrenia and then they start self medicating with the drugs and then they get to this horrific point where they act out violently, which is not usual with schizophrenia. Usually it's internalized and they harm themselves. But if they act out and they kill somebody else, when you put them into a jail setting, they're in a fog for weeks and weeks and weeks. And that's why I think Alan continued the arraignment for three weeks, to let him get out of his fog, if you will, which is kind of that toxic stew of schizophrenia and the drugs.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I'm guessing you gotta have some history of schizophrenia and medication and doctors and prescriptions and things like that. So I mean, that's the first thing you do. Otherwise everyone would just claim schizophrenia when they got thrown in jail. Right. So there's going to have to be some kind of paper trail and diagnoses and things of that medication and things of that nature, right? Yeah.

[Mark Geragos]

And by the way, there isn't. It's not like this was something that it was done for, you know, the usual suspects for financial gain or you were acting out because you got into a knockdown, drag out rational, you know, to the extent that it's ever rational provocation or fight, obviously this is somebody who had been struggling with mental health and drug issues for many, many years and was well known in the community. I don't know if you had run across Nick or Rob, but I, I always held a soft spot for Rob Reiner. Back in the 90s. He was very supportive of a couple of clients and a couple of causes I was involved in. And I just found him to be a tremendous human being. I mean, what a tragedy. And when they hired Alan, it immediately telegraphed to me the family is supportive. And I'm just literally coming out of an argument making the same thing to the, to the judges I mentioned, you know, it's gotta be the worst thing in the world to wake up and find out your parents are dead. And then how do you compound it when it's your brother is accused of the crime, the most horrific thing. And you know, that's, that's a, it's hard to get over, it's hard to comprehend.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean it's, it's really even, it's almost so surreal that it sort of becomes hard to process and so it doesn't even. I don't even know. Look, Rob Reiner's been in here. I've known him for a lot of years. I went to grade school with his sister Tracy, and they lived in Valley Village. They literally lived down the street from my grandparents had one house in North Oven. My mom had another house in North Oven. Their house was right in between the two. Like, every time I rode my bike or passed, took a walk, I. I passed by it. And I think Tracy was Penny Marshall's daughter, by the way, when he was.

[Mark Geragos]

She was, I believe, adopted by him, if memory served.

[Adam Carolla]

That does sound familiar. Well, he came in here and I talked to him about it. He's a sweet. He was a sweet, sweet heart of a guy. So I don't know, it even gets more tragic because of what a mention the guy was. But realistically, now you go, okay, the kid was schizophrenic. He was in his office meds or he's on other drugs. He was in a fugue state. He doesn't even remember doing it. So he can't really be held responsible. But now, sort of practically, where do we go? All right, so he can't go to a federal prison for the rest of his life and it can't be brought up on death penalty and stuff like that. Where can he go and how long can he stay there?

[Mark Geragos]

What, what normally happens? And it's funny, I'm here in Vista because I had one of these cases here also. What ends up happening inevitably is if they get to a point where they. It's determined that they're. They're basically not competent. They go to a place like Atascadero, which is a mental health facility, lockdown facility. They've got, believe it or not, fairly good doctors and staff there that will get the person kind of situated, medicated, and they're in a therapeutic environment at some point, could take months or years. They'll say, they report back to the court and they say, look, we've stabilized the person. Then the person gets shipped back to county jail. And as you saw when he was wearing the bedspread, the blue bedspread, that's usually consistent with being in twin towers downtown, which is the mental health unit. And what happens, though, is they go back down there, they're in a jail facility, and they immediately kind of crumble again. And then you get back in the, in the court system and you have to declare it out as the competency. They get Shipped back to Atascadero. It's this endless cycle or endless circle jerk of mental health that is just. You bounce between one or the other. That's why when people like Harvey Levin say that it's going to be the trial of the century, I said, well maybe it will be, but not this century.

[Adam Carolla]

So does the idea get them competent or together enough to face trial?

[Mark Geragos]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

And then at the trial we revert back to schizophrenia and drugs and medications and we don't remember.

[Mark Geragos]

That's when you toggle over to the not guilty by reason of insanity. The problem is in every single one of these I've ever had, as soon as you get into trial, they just disintegrate, the clients disintegrate and then you doubt as the competency, the trial blows up, you're back to square one. It's really a. The system is not really designed to deal with mental health. Yet to quote Lee Baca, to quote Jim McDonald when he was the sheriff, the LA county jail system is the largest mental health facility in the world. I mean, it's literally what it's filled with, right?

[Adam Carolla]

Because if you're walking down the street and you think it'd be a good idea to take a two by four with a screw in it and whack an elderly woman in the head with it, you're a bad guy. But you're also mentally ill. That's just.

[Mark Geragos]

Not totally mentally ill. How many times you and I have talked about going into downtown LA and this idea that it, you know, the. Don't even get me started on the homeless problem. I mean it's the, it's not people who aren't housed, it's people who are out unhinged. You know, I mean, that's the problem.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I mean that I think when we look back, when historians study this era and try to figure out why we're so fucking dumb, they're gonna realize that calling these people unhoused is the nuttiest thing in the world. We're coming up on the one year anniversary of the fire and I was screaming from my hotel room because I was displaced. It went a little bit viral about a year ago. Which is everybody who lives in the Palisades, well, let's say 75% of the people live in the Palisades and 100% of the people lived in Malibu are almost 100 and 100% of people lived in Altadena are now unhoused citizens. Immediately overnight, everyone got unhoused, but not one person who's from Malibu or the Palisades or Altadena will spend the night on the sidewalk tonight. So how do you explain that everyone's house was removed with no warning? Literally grab what you can carry and flee. And yet everyone is going to be in a hotel room or Mark Ergus guest house, thank you very much. Or Dr. Drew's kid's son's room or renting a home. Not one person out of the thousands of people that were homeless overnight, unhoused, overnight, slept outside. So how do you explain that? Well, the answer is they're not drug addicts and they're not criminally insane and they have credit cards and infrastructures and family and relationships. And so they went to a Holiday Inn or they went to a friend's guest house and they bivouacked there. So it can't be the house part of the equation, right?

[Mark Geragos]

It's clearly not the house. In fact, fact, what you end up having to worry about is the home invasions. Remember what happened in La Canada? You know, wake, you're awakened at three in the morning, you have to evacuate. The flames are running over by Angela's Crest. I always, my theory was they never jumped from Altadena because of jet propulsion laboratory. They weren't going to let that thing burn. Oh, really? Yeah, yeah, that was kind of my tinfoil hat theory. But, but nevertheless, what was the next thing that happened? Then you've got marauding people doing home invasions because everybody's been evacuated. And that was the, that was the kind of the natural, of course, result of the tearing down of the fabric.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Mark Geragos]

No, I, my, my experience is anecdotally, of course, that when you get these people who are accused of these acts who are in the throes of this kind of cocktail of medication and, and psychosis, that when you get them grounded again, they can't deal with it. They just, the, the brain does not deal with, they can't comprehend it.

[Adam Carolla]

And what do you, what do you think the outcome will be?

[Mark Geragos]

I think he's going to be in a mental health facility for the foreseeable future, or at least until you're collecting Social Security. I don't think there's anytime soon that this case is going to trial. In fact, I'd be surprised if they get him grounded to the point where he's able to do a preliminary hearing, which may be why they go to the grand jury and do an indictment at some point.

[Adam Carolla]

But there's lots of footage of him doing pressers and things like that where he seems pretty cogent and, you know, on his, maybe he's on his meds, I don't know. But he's tracking, he's following, he's answering questions. He's very coherent. So it seems like he's capable of going back to that place where he's, you know, seems competent and capable.

[Mark Geragos]

Little doubt. I have little doubt in the right setting, the right therapies, the right kind of whatever that they can get him to that point. It's just. It's not something that is conducive to trying in the case. In a case like this, at some point, I just, I. I'm. I'm cynical when it comes to trying to administer criminal justice to those who commit these kinds of acts, because I. Unless there is something else going on when. If it's truly mental illness, it's the most frustrating thing in the world. One of the things I was talking about to somebody the other day was the exhaustion factor of those around the people who are suffering from this. From these mental illness. Drew describes it as kind of getting. The. Getting sucked in. I mean, I've heard. Drew's told me about the idea that sometimes he'll have kind of a wingman or whatever kind of circling him because he. Even him, who recognizes it, gets sucked into the mania. I. That happens to me. I mean, you get in, you start indulging, you start. You get drawn into that kind of lure of the mental illness. It's very, very exhausting.

[Adam Carolla]

It is. Well, it's because we can't think of life anyway differently than how we experience it. And I'll give you a couple examples. It's like every once in a while, I'll meet someone and they don't like barbecue brisket. And I'll go, what's wrong with you? And they go, I don't like it. I go, but yes, you do. And they go, I don't. You not tried the right brisket? We gotta go to Franklin's in Tennessee. I don't like brisket. Yes, you do. It's cause I like brisket. I can't even understand that they don't, you know, and we do that with people that have mental illness. You look at it through your sort of prism and you just try to explain stuff, like all the time. You don't really realize you're getting sucked into this thing. I always say the Twin Towers are gone. Because we couldn't imagine someone flying an airplane into the Twin Towers. Because our answer was they'd be in the airplane, Right? Yeah. Okay. Well, they're going to hit the tower first because they're in the cockpit. Yeah. Well, who's going to do that? Nobody's going to. Would I do that? No, I wouldn't do it. Would Sonny Carolla do it? No, I don't even know anybody would do it. That's insane. That's never going to happen. But we don't realize what other people can do and what they're capable of.

[Mark Geragos]

And there's this very pernicious thing that happens when you're talking to them, when somebody's in the throes of this and they seem to be tracking what you're talking about. And you talk to your point and you're saying stuff and you're thinking to yourself, oh, I'm connecting. And I, you know, we're having a conversation and they get it. You know, press pause for four minutes and they're, they're gone again.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you know, the thing that's kind of funny is I realize what's happened to me a million times in my life when I was, I don't know, 30, 28, 29. I had a Catholic little brother and he was, I don't know, 14. And he was an oddball kind of kid. And he'd met up online with some girl in Kentucky who was probably 300 pounds but described herself as different. And they were talking on the phone because he wasn't going to do well with anybody in his high school. But he met somebody who lived in Kentucky and built up a sort of fantasy life about who she was. And they were in love. And his mom kept yelling at him because he'd be on the phone with her to Kentucky and they were poor and they couldn't spend all the money on the phone bill. And he was lamenting to me that he was in love with this girl. He asked me if I could drive him out to Kentucky in my Isuzu Trooper with the four cylinder. And I said, no, I don't think I can make that. But I'll tell you what I can do. I had a calling card, one of AT&T cards, you know, credit cards that you have to use for calling back then.

[Mark Geragos]

So.

[Adam Carolla]

I said, well, I'll lend you this card. And this is what I'm sort of getting back to because this kid wasn't schizophrenic, he wasn't anything. He was pretty. He was an oddball 14 year old. So I said to him, now listen to me, I'm gonna. Hold on, Dawson, whoever's having a big shouting match in front of the studio, dor, they should probably go to a different spot in the warehouse to have this conversation. But anyway, so here's my point. I said to him, I go, listen, I'm going to give you this Card. You can call your girlfriend with this card. I'm going to need you to limit it to like five minutes and I get the bill so I'll know. And do not run this up. And you got to pay me back. I didn't have any money. I was broke too. So I said at the end of the month it's gonna be 30 bucks. Where you gotta work that off with me and whatever. I gave him the card. Three days later my phone was shut off at home. I didn't have a. I didn't even have a cell phone. It was just my home phone was shut off. And I was like, what? And that guy ran up the $200 bill in 10 minutes and they literally just shut my phone. I had to go down to Van Nuys with a checkbook and stand in line like a loser. By the way, the losers move you can ever do, and I've done it a few times, is pay utility bills in person. Like stand with a line of like minded lazy losers to keep your power on. Cuz if you don't give it the check today, the power's going off. They wouldn't even wait. They didn't. I said to them, aren't you supposed to warn me before you shut my phone off? They go, this was so bad. We just shut it off. I had to go down there and pay them and wait in line and pay them with a check. So the point is, I had a plan for this kid and I explained it to him and I said I'm gonna get this bill and I'm gonna know and you can use this responsibly or I'll take this card away. It's your choice.

[Mark Geragos]

Obviously you believed it. You thought you had made a connection that you had communicated.

[Adam Carolla]

I had impressed upon him this super important information involving his future and my financial future and his girlfriend in Kentucky. And I laid out how it was gonna work and I also laid out how it wouldn't work. And I asked him if he understood and he said yes. And then he went home and talked to her on the phone for seven hours. And I got my phone shut off and he wasn't schizophrenic. The point is it's not everyone absorbs and has the reason that you do. That's all I'm saying.

[Mark Geragos]

That's a very clear cut explanation and I think commentary on the human condition.

[Adam Carolla]

So when. What's up with the menende now? It was looking so good a few months ago and I know, but fingers.

[Mark Geragos]

Crossed, I think we get A Another parole hearing this year. I think they will be successful. Lyle, especially the last one that he did was. I mean, I. You could tell the parole. The parole officer, the hearing officer seemed to be close. Just. There is this idea that you don't get out the first time. I am very confident that we're gonna. We're. That we're gonna prevail this time.

[Adam Carolla]

Wait, how many? You said the first time. They must have had multiple parole hearings by now.

[Mark Geragos]

Now, just. No, just one, really.

[Adam Carolla]

Charles manson get like 14 parole hearings.

[Mark Geragos]

Because he's been there forever. These guys only became eligible as of May. Their first one was in August, and I'm hopeful they'll get another one 15 months later, which would be September, October, November this year.

[Adam Carolla]

So they had to have 40 years in or what? Let's see.

[Mark Geragos]

Yeah, they've got. They literally have been in the state prison for over 35 and have me back in, I don't know, a month. And I'll have updates not just on them, but somebody else on another. Another matter I'm dealing with that will be announced very shortly.

[Adam Carolla]

There'll be somebody. A high profile.

[Mark Geragos]

The great story. It's right up your alley. I mean, it is. I hate to tease it, but it's right up your alley.

[Adam Carolla]

Now. Is this something. Obviously, it's happened. The case has happened. The cases.

[Mark Geragos]

It's not just one, but two cases already happened. I can hardly wait to tell you about it, but I can't yet.

[Adam Carolla]

Derek Chauvin, I feel like Tim Walls just said he's not running for another term and things like that.

[Mark Geragos]

But why do you think that is, by the way?

[Adam Carolla]

I think there may be a lot more that gets connected to him also, by the way. It happens all the time in life, which is like my favorite case, the Duke lacrosse case. The coach had to resign. You know what I mean? You go, what's the coach have to resign? I don't get why the coach has to resign. It's four guys. Even if the guys did what they said they did, those are four guys from his team. That's not him. You know, it's like, that's the way we run society. The coach has to resign. And even if Tim Wall knew nothing and there's no paper trail and there's no emails, there's no, you know, there's nothing. He's still the coach, and the coach must resign is the way I feel.

[Mark Geragos]

We've even extended it. It's like, Billy Bush.

[Adam Carolla]

Billy Bush, you're out. Yeah. You stood next to Trump Right. So with using the Billy Bush Doctrine, then Tim Walls out. Although we're gonna find more about Tim Walls and the connection and Somalis and all that shit. It's just. It's gonna get worse for him. And I think he realizes that now, the Chauvin thing, I just think if you took my son and you said your son's gonna be tried to, it doesn't really matter what. But if he's found not guilty, they're going to burn the town down. I'd go, well, then we gotta move. We need to change a venue. And we need something, because it can't be. If he's set free, we burn the town down. And all the jurors live in that town and they're scared their town is gonna burn down and their home's gonna burn down and they're gonna get. Get death threats and stuff. Then. No, that's not justice. That's not a trial. What kind of trial is this?

[Mark Geragos]

Always irked me about Derek Chauvin was, and it still irks me. And I give you a bunch of other cases is the dual prosecution. You've got state prosecution and you got federal prosecution. Now, he went to trial famously in the state. He had a very able lawyer, but the. The die was cast in that case. And all you have to do is take a look at all of the testimony as to the manner and cause of death. Because if you were truly honest on the manner and cause of death, there was no way in the world that you could have convicted him and that it should have stayed. Stayed up on appeal. But because he was convicted of the state, I assume, I haven't talked to his lawyers, that they then pled him on the. The federal charges. The problem is now, since we've got a little bit of distance, since the mob is not cheering for his conviction on the state charges, even if he gets that overturned, he's still got to deal with the fact that he's got a federal conviction with decades over his head on that, which is totally unfair to have pile driven on this guy not once, but twice. Dual prosecutions for a guy who frankly, maybe should not have been a cop. But when you have the testimony under oath of a medical examiner who basically changed their testimony because of law enforcement, that is scary. That should frighten anybody.

[Adam Carolla]

Yes. Because if the medical examination or the coroner comes down with a drug overdose and then gets pressured by the feds and the cops to change that to compression of the neck area or something like that, that means we're in some kind of third world banana republic kind of dictator. That's not what the United States court system is about. You're not allowed to do that. They did it, and everyone's sort of okay with it.

[Mark Geragos]

They were not only okay with it, they celebrated. And I said, well, great. I get that you don't like Derek Chauvin. Okay, granted, you don't like Derek Chauvin. Do you understand that what you are blessing is basically, we will change the facts after the fact in order to convict somebody because we don't like him. How scary is that?

[Adam Carolla]

Again, it's weird, and maybe it's the times we're living in, but the people are not fearful of the government and the overreach of the government as long as they're on their side. I mean, it was all. This was all Covid business, shutting down businesses and taking control of the Internet and getting to Zuckerberg and all the tech brothers and laying down a script for them. That's big, scary government shit you should be fighting against. And they're like, yeah, but they're kind of saying the stuff we want. And I'm like, all right, but as you say all the time, your ox is gonna get gored. Next, I got a couple of questions. Mark, you seized up on the video, but I don't know if I still have you on the audio. I'm going, I'll say this. This is a funny one, but I don't know. And Mark, when you're good, Mark will reconnect. But I'll just say this in general. Whenever they freeze fame on your face, it's always, you look weird. It's always like making a face, you know, it looks weird. But if they freeze face on your face, and every time they freeze face on your face, they freeze frame. I should say on your face. When they freeze frame on your face and it looks weird, maybe you look weird, maybe that's not. Maybe that's a freeze frame. Not you. I'm just talking about me, so I want to know. I got a million questions in no particular. Yeah, Chauvin, he got shanked in the joint. You know that guy? I feel like that guy got railroaded. Cameras in the courtroom. We just had. I had to look at more sketchy, pardon the pun, drawings of Maduro and whoever, because they won't allow. And you told me federal stuff. But can we just get some. Can somebody figure this out? Cameras in the courtroom. We all watched the entire OJ Trial and then P. Diddy. We had bad drawings of P. Diddy. Can we what year is it? And can we do this?

[Mark Geragos]

But not just P. Diddy. The drawings of Tenney were unrecognizable.

[Adam Carolla]

You're her father. You would know, Right?

[Mark Geragos]

I would know. It didn't even resemble it, by the way. I don't know how far behind the curve the federal courts can be. You know, we're deciding in federal court the decisions about AI and the scope of AI and everything else. You would think somebody in the federal court system would say to themselves, if we don't do this and start televising these things now, in the district court, mind you, the court, the circuit courts, they already have video. But in the district court, how long is it going to be for AI to just create, Take the transcript, feed it in, have your avatars, and you can do the whole thing by AI Is that better?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I'm just. We're a weird culture in that we don't allow cameras, but we allow someone to draw as best they can what's going on, which never really works out. I don't even blame them. I couldn't do any better. I was on the game show. I was on the game show Win, Lose or Draw, and they give you a sentence or a limerick or a saying or something, and then you have to draw it out on a chalkboard. And Burt Reynolds hosts, and you get celebrities to guess what it was. I got an elephant. Never forgets. And.

[Mark Geragos]

And.

[Adam Carolla]

Which is not really something people say much. But anyway, I drew an elephant and everyone was like, elephant. And then I started pointing, drawing an arrow to his head, and they were like, elephant head, elephant skull, elephant brain. And I was like, no, elephant, elephant. I was like, how do you write? How do you draw? Never forgets. Without. I've spoken to Bubble Elvin thoughts. Elvin think. Elvin talk. It was the worst day of my life. But just put the stupid cameras in. Or. Does the courtroom sketch artist have an artist? Do they have a union that's more powerful than the LA teachers unions? Like, what's going on?

[Mark Geragos]

There's a guy who is really good and his name is Bill Robles. He's very fit. He's in his 90s. To my mind, he's the gold standard when it comes to courtroom sketch artists. There is Isabel Bruman, who is the one who did that sketch of Trump during the New York trials. And hers is. I really like. It's kind of. It's kind of a modern art. But what kills me, I. Last year, actually announced. The year before last, I tried a case in Little Rock Federal Court and I remember was a five day trial. I'm in the hallways, we're waiting for the verdict. And a couple of the clerks came over. They were complimenting me on the cross examination of one of the cops. And I said, well, I didn't see you in the courtroom. And they said, oh no, we were watching on the closed circuit in the clerk's office. And I said, well, what the hell? Why is it that you've got it, you're already, you've got all the closed circuit cameras, you've got the courtroom basically miked up. Why can't you just take that feed and connect it out? What's the downside?

[Adam Carolla]

Well, so OJ Is local trial, but it's not a federal case, right?

[Mark Geragos]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

In court it's state. So O.J. state and P. Did. He's federal.

[Mark Geragos]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

And no cameras in federal.

[Mark Geragos]

Chauvin's televised trial was state. And some of the other trials, like Johnny Depp, State. Civil. Gwyneth Paltrow, state. So there's the most recent one. My favorite one was Cardi B in Superior Court, Stanley Mosque. That's where I literally fell in love.

[Adam Carolla]

With Cardi B. I love Cardi B because she's at trial being accused of violence or putting her hands on a security guard. And then out front of the courthouse, somebody asked her a disrespectful question and she throws something. She then assaults the person, which is sort of a reenactment of what she's being accused of. It's just out on the sidewalk of the courthouse, which makes me believe that she's capable of it is what I'm saying.

[Mark Geragos]

Yeah, but she, I mean, what a great witness. I mean, she's the witness you dream of.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, she's great. Cause she's unfiltered, has a little bit of a mouth of babes as well as a merchant marine, you know, but she says what she's thinking and she's not calculating.

[Mark Geragos]

So not calculated at all. And by the way, I thought what she did to that the grifters lawyer was masterful. I mean, she just took the person apart. I mean, literally took the person apart and did it in a way that was, you know, had the courtroom laughing. So.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, Menendez, we'll find out about. But you're, you think they're going to not get pardoned but make parole, right?

[Mark Geragos]

I don't, I don't think Gavin's going to do it. If he was going to do it, he would have done it Christmas or whatever.

[Adam Carolla]

But you know, he's running for president. No, it is not going to do.

[Mark Geragos]

Exactly. And he doesn't want, he doesn't want people, he's afraid people are going to say, oh, you pardoned them and his brothers, blah, blah, blah. He should have done it. He should have done it, you know, a year ago.

[Adam Carolla]

But, well, in a weird way, it's not, not so different than Chauvin, which is he's presiding over California. It's turned into a bit of a shit show that he's gonna get the soft on crime thing. No one's gonna run for president with this soft on crime label hanging on them. And so then the Menendez brothers are not gonna be pardoned because he's worried about optics. And now he's looking at a national run. And no one wants to be the soft off on crime guy. And the Menendez pardoning is just going to be one more log they're going to throw into the soft on crime fire when your detractors are coming after you.

[Mark Geragos]

Correct. That analysis is exactly right. I wish he would surprise me and say, you know what, these guys have been in for 35 years and they need to be out and I'm going to do it and I don't care.

[Adam Carolla]

But, you know, but their next parole hearing is when?

[Mark Geragos]

It'll be this year, 2026.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. And you think, you think they'll clear that?

[Mark Geragos]

I do, I do. I'm high degree of confidence they'll be out this year. And by the way, for anybody who doesn't remember, I always credit having them as clients due to you.

[Adam Carolla]

That's right, I do. I'm supremely flattered. The. Where are we at with Bill Cosby? He's not been around in the news for a while.

[Mark Geragos]

You don't hear about him. You don't, you know, but there's another guy who got kind of got hoisted on a movement at the point where they criminalized stuff for kind of after the fact, having a new prism or a new outlook. It's just, it's a strange world we live in that you can be prosecuted, convicted on what you did decades and decades before and not have any kind of, you know, remorse about that, that you think it's good, that it's a.

[Adam Carolla]

Comeuppance sort of speak well, I mean, people find serial killers and cold cases that were 30 years old and bring those guys to trial.

[Mark Geragos]

So, yeah, all for it.

[Adam Carolla]

I know, but I mean, there's precedent. If somebody committed a crime a long time ago and now we find them. So you Know, I don't. I mean, Bill Cosby falls under some of that heading.

[Mark Geragos]

To some degree. Except I don't disagree that if you committed a crime, but if you start redefining what crime is, is my point. Yes. I think that if it wasn't criminal back at the time, if it was presented to the authorities back in the time and they made the determination that it was not criminal, and then you fast forward 15, 20 years later, somebody else makes a new determination. Oh, now it's criminal. It wasn't then, but it is now. I think that's a bridge too far.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, speaking of Bill Cosby, I'll make this example. It's like they pull these guys college party pictures where they're in blackface in 1979, and they go, aha. And basically what you're saying is people did it back then. You can agree with it or disagree with it, but it was acceptable. It's not like the guy got in something that was totally unacceptable, that would have made him a social pariah and attended a frat party dressed that way to try to pick up chicks. So there are things that were permissible and they were not illegal socially or from a statute standpoint. And then we rewrote history later on, and now we want to go after these people. And that's the part of it that's bad. You know, if you're a serial killer and we find. And that was illegal 2000 years ago, it's illegal today, it'll be illegal in 100 years. Right. All right, last.

[Mark Geragos]

Exactly right. It's the revisionist history.

[Adam Carolla]

Will there be cameras in federal courthouses in the next 10 years?

[Mark Geragos]

Yes, there will. I'm telling you, what will happen is my prediction is the first next kind of big federal trial. It will be AI recreated. And that's going to bring home just how antiquated our views are, because somebody's recreated, it's going to be done. So it's indistinguishable, and they're gonna realize, okay, we're done. We have to do.

[Adam Carolla]

All right, last question. Porn legend Ron Jeremy. That guy is not coming out ever and is in the throes of mental issues. Right. And I mean, what is his thing?

[Mark Geragos]

His. At some point, my guess is he'll be released and it'll be what's called a compassionate release, if he hasn't been already. I think that they left the door open to him being out and. And housed in a assisted living facility.

[Adam Carolla]

So he's. He's coming on.

[Mark Geragos]

If he's not he will be all right.

[Adam Carolla]

The transmission's getting a little bumpy. I'd be remiss if I didn't tell you we're going to New York at the end of the month. I have no idea where you're going to be, but I'm always putting it out there. You were breaking up. Are you going to New York at the end of the month?

[Mark Geragos]

Just tell August.

[Adam Carolla]

I'll tell August because we just bought tickets.

[Mark Geragos]

I am till August.

[Adam Carolla]

All right. Hopefully we can party on the jets. God love you, Mark. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Garagos.com is where you can go to find out all about Mark. I'm gonna be in Colorado. That is coming up on the 9th and 10th at Colorado Springs. Looney's Comedy Corner over there. And then we added a second show at the Comedy Works. So second show added. First show sold out and we added a second. So if you want to come out on the 11th and see the second show, you can go to AdamCroll.com for all the info. And until next time, this is Adam for Alicia Krause and Mark Garriga saying, mahalo. Pick up your phone and leave us a voicemail. The number is 888-634-1744. And be sure and get tickets to see the Ace man. You can get [e-mail].

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