Richard Rawlings’ Road to Success + Tim Hardaway on Why Kids Today Are Softer

Summary

The Adam Carolla Show: Richard Rawlings’ Road to Success + Tim Hardaway on Why Kids Today Are Softer

Episode Date: November 24, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Adam Carolla Show features a candid, wide-ranging conversation with Richard Rawlings, the founder of Gas Monkey Garage and star of Fast N’ Loud, followed by an insightful segment with legendary NBA point guard Tim Hardaway Sr. The discussions traverse topics from humble beginnings and entrepreneurial grit to generational shifts in work ethic, parenting, sports, and personal growth. True to Carolla’s style, the tone is direct, humorous, and often nostalgic.

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Richard Rawlings: From Blue Collar Hustle to Brand Master (02:56–59:42)

Early Hustle and Humble Beginnings (03:29–09:36)

• Rawlings reflects on his upbringing:

  • Father worked as a produce manager at Piggly Wiggly; “I like to say I’m as white trash as it gets. Because my birth certificate says Piggly Wiggly.” (05:34–05:45)
  • Learned the value of hard work and saving: "My dad instilled into me hard work ... I don’t ever want you to have to work as hard as I do.” (06:11–06:30)
  • Threw newspapers with his dad, saved half his earnings, tithed 10% to church, filed taxes at age 12. (07:56–08:33)

• Work as a cop and fireman:

  • Joined police and fire departments in Texas as a teenager. Survived being shot during a carjacking at age 22 (10:07–13:31).
  • On the life-changing moment: "I think not having the gun with me that night saved my life … I would have hesitated another couple of seconds … I'd probably be dead." (11:54–12:10)

Entrepreneurial Drive, Risk-Taking, and Gas Monkey’s Genesis (13:41–22:33)

• Leaving steady work: Rawlings describes leaving public service, breaking the mold:
  "I had an entrepreneurial bug, and it was one of the first times I ever saw my dad actually cry, is when I quit." (13:47–14:11)

• First success — branded wipe towels for carwashes: Turned skepticism into orders from 900 carwashes at a Las Vegas trade show (16:04–16:39).

  • "You're gonna sell towels to a car wash?" — On proving the doubters wrong.

• Brand-building and TV break: Used advertising/branding skills in Dallas before pursuing car TV; identified the lack of family-focused car shows. (17:51–19:45)

  • “They’re missing the family element … missing the fun factor.” (18:01–18:14)

• Show creation and TV industry skepticism:

  • Recounts struggling through eight years to sell Gas Monkey as a TV concept.
  • On perseverance: “All the successful people I know just have a sort of … personal momentum … they just go forward all the time.” (20:18–20:41)

The Changing Business of Cars and Creative Autonomy (22:08–40:22)

• Media gatekeepers and autonomy:

  • On TV execs: "They're basically just a bunch of fucking assholes and they suck." (22:08–22:27)
  • Why he walked away: “Those guys, I’ve found, don’t contribute anything. … They hate that the old system is gone because they’re getting paid from a system that they didn’t…” (23:27–24:42)

• YouTube & new business model: Now a direct-to-fan creator with more viewership than Discovery Channel days. “We’re bigger, we’re stronger, we’re better … more viewers than I had on Discovery on prime time.” (24:42–24:58)

• Car culture trends:

  • Customizing higher-value cars (e.g., Testarossas, Porsches), referencing Singer and Gunther Works. (38:25–38:47)
  • Rawlings’s own innovations: electric, center-drive Testarossa, six-wheel builds. "We're going to be 2.2 [seconds 0–60 mph]." (43:17–43:20)
  • The appeal and controversy of electrifying classics: "I don't have a problem with it … people used to be against the V8." (44:06–44:48)

Brand Expansion and Legacy (49:14–59:42)

• Gas Monkey Garage Giveaways:
  • Latest: 2026 ZR1 Corvette with over 1,000hp. "Whoever ... wins ... we'll deliver it to them on Christmas Day." (49:14–49:35)
• Giving Back: Stories of previous winners, including one who used cash option for life-saving surgery (52:13–52:58)
• Other ventures: Garage Beer (partnered with the Kelsey brothers, expansion to all 50 states), tequila, energy drinks, restaurants (Gas Monkey Ice House, Sturgis, new Texas locations).
• Reflection on Autonomy: “If I never have to go to California again in my life, I’m super happy with that.” (58:43)
• Rawlings’s pride: Being able to take care of his father in a quality facility; balancing success with humility (27:34–28:10).
• Final plug: “Gas Monkey Garage on YouTube is where they need to be. … It’s still the number one automotive motorcycle lifestyle show in the world.” (59:13–59:34)

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Tim Hardaway Sr.: Old-School Toughness and the Softer Generation (63:49–103:55)

Childhood, Grit, and Making Your Own Fun (63:59–73:59)

• Growing up in Chicago:
  • “We didn’t have all this social media … we had to make our own fun. … Block against block, stuff like that.” (63:59–64:54)
  • Adam relates his SoCal childhood; both agree “just poor,” making do, and improvising games. (68:39–70:13)
• Contrast with kids today:
  • “Kids today grow with a silver spoon in their mouth, which — we want that for our kids.” (63:59–64:54)
  • “A lot of these kids today don’t have that structure to understand how to become a man at that particular time in their lives.” (73:59)

Generational Differences: Independence and Drive (75:01–77:17)

• On driver’s licenses as a rite of passage:
  • “They don’t even care if they get their driver’s license. ... That’s when I realized they weren’t desperate to get out like we were … Independence, break away, autonomy.” (75:01–76:17)
  • Hardaway notes his children did want to get out—they were used to active family life and travel.

Family, Responsibility, and Basketball Origins (71:37–84:26)

• Family hardships:
  • On his father’s alcoholism and abuse: “We were scared of him … basketball was the way out for me … My mom finally got away from him.” (71:37–73:59)
  • Became the man of the house in 6th grade, cared for much younger brother.
• Basketball as salvation: Practiced alone, tough childhood as crucible for NBA success. "Kids today ... insult my intelligence when they say they can't go out there and work on their game by themselves ... I became a Hall of Famer by doing it." (66:18–68:03)

Transition to NBA: Physicality, Mindset, Criticism (84:54–94:51)

• On college-to-NBA and types of criticism:
  • “You’re playing against grown men … sometimes a lot of guys come in thinking they got it figured out already …” (85:40–87:10)
  • “I took it as constructive criticism … I listened to them, because you never knew when somebody tell you something that might happen to your life, and probably I say about 50% of things that people have told me has happened in my life.” (90:17–91:03)
  • On not bragging, staying grounded: “You let us brag on you. … I shut up right then and there.” (91:05–93:21)

Work Ethic, Imitation, and Winning (96:07–103:44)

• NBA as improv/jazz: Basketball, especially offense, is about improvisation and quick decision-making; compared to jazz and comedy. (96:07–97:52)

• Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant: Relentless work ethic. “A lot of things people don’t know about Michael [Jordan], he did not say one word. … Only thing he says, we got to get better.” (99:07–100:24)

• On taking criticism and improvement: “When they stop talking to you, that’s when you’re in trouble.” (89:59–90:00)

• Winning as the point:

  • “If you want to win … if you own the team to win instead of it being a business, like Kobe, he was on the team to win. Michael was on the team to win.” (102:48–103:02)
  • “It’s a better business when you do win.” (103:26)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Richard Rawlings:

  • “I like to say I’m as white trash as it gets. Because my birth certificate says Piggly Wiggly.” (05:34)
  • “All the successful people I know just have a sort of … personal momentum. … They just go forward all the time.” (20:18)
  • “We’re bigger, we’re stronger, we’re better. We got more viewers than I had on Discovery on prime time Monday nights.” (24:42)
  • “I’m first and foremost a branding and business guy. … What I found was the secret sauce that I didn’t know going into it is because I don’t technically do what they do, … this is a match made in heaven.” (34:19–34:58)

• Tim Hardaway Sr.:

  • “Kids today grow with a silver spoon … which — we want that for our kids.” (63:59)
  • "When kids tell me that they can't work on their games by themselves, that's just insulting my intelligence because I went out there and done it and I became a Hall of Famer by doing it." (66:18)
  • "When they stop talking to you, that's when you're in trouble. That means they've thrown in the towel." (89:59)

• Adam Carolla:

  • “People had to kind of know where the limits were, what you would do, what you wouldn’t do. … You just left. And you made your own fun and you skinned your own knees.” (69:08–70:13)
  • “I think we spend a little too much time talking about people being blessed … and not enough about the work ethic.” (100:24)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Richard Rawlings conversation begins: 02:56

• Discussion of Rawlings being shot: 10:07–13:31

• Entrepreneurial breakthrough and Gas Monkey origin: 16:04–19:45

• On the TV show grind and media business: 20:18–24:58

• Electric Testarossa build and custom cars: 40:03–43:31

• Rawlings on his priorities and dad: 27:34–28:10

• Gas Monkey giveaways & impact stories: 49:14–53:12

• Tim Hardaway Sr. interview begins: 63:49

• On childhood and generational changes: 63:59–73:59

• Hardaway's thoughts on motivation, responsibility: 71:37–73:59

• On NBA toughness and humility: 84:54–94:51

• Improv, creativity and winning in sports: 96:07–103:44

• Closing remarks: 103:44

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Final Thoughts

This episode spotlights two self-made guests who both channeled adversity into achievement. Rawlings’ journey underscores grit, hustle, and the power of personal branding; Hardaway laments the lost art of “making your own fun” while championing resilience and listening to criticism as fuel for success. Whether in business, cars, or basketball, the message: Find your lane, outwork the next guy, take feedback, and keep moving forward.

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For fresh Gas Monkey content:
Gas Monkey Garage on YouTube

Tim Hardaway Sr.’s book:
Killer Crossover: My Life from the Chicago Streets to Basketball Royalty

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This detailed recap is for listeners looking for key themes, classic Carolla banter, practical wisdom, and the indelible voices of two American originals.

Transcript

[Adam Carolla]

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[Richard Rawlings]

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[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

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[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

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[Richard Rawlings]

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[Adam Carolla]

From Corolla One studios in Glendale, California, this is the Adam Carolla Show. Adam's guest today from Gas Monkey Garage, Richard Rawlings and NBA great Tim Hardaway. And now this weekend in Texas, he had a belly full of barbecue and an assful of Mike August.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Adam Corolla.

[Adam Carolla]

Richard Rawlings. Hello, sir, my friend. Gas Monkey Garage. Gas Monkey energy drinks. And we'll get to all the stuff fast and loud. I think is where a lot of people know you from initially at least that's where I caught you. But the story is pretty interesting. So if you're just listening, we're at, we're at the garage right now. Your facility of seeing the cars, seeing the stuff you're working on. You're doing the fabrication. You're doing all the work in house, right?

[Richard Rawlings]

Absolutely. We do everything in house here except for technically interior, but we do it here. I just have to bring in the interior guy. We got all the equipment, but we don't have a full time interior dude.

[Adam Carolla]

And you're a car guy for sure. But I feel like you're sort of an entrepreneur at heart. Absolutely. That's the fair who has a passion for cars.

[Richard Rawlings]

I found a way to take what I was really into and, you know, make some money doing it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I think that's the, that's the goal. You know, I, I, I, I used to do well. You were a fireman, right?

[Richard Rawlings]

I was as a police officer firefighter before I was old enough to drink.

[Adam Carolla]

Really? Yeah.

[Richard Rawlings]

So I was carrying a badge and a gun. I couldn't order a beer really.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, how did that, how'd that work out?

[Richard Rawlings]

Well, I got shot in 92, got over that, stayed on the force until around 95, 96.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, okay. So when did you go into the Academy?

[Richard Rawlings]

Like at 18 and a half. 19. Right before I turned 19.

[Adam Carolla]

Out here in Texas.

[Richard Rawlings]

Out here in Texas. And then I was applying, I got my police certification and I was applying to be a police officer in a town here called Coppell. And, and I was working part time as a police officer at another location and they were taking applications for firemen also. I'd never even thought about it, but back then we didn't have all these computers and download, so it was a big old stack of carbon copy papers and copies of everything. And so I just duplicated it and chunked it in there too. And next thing you know I got one of those spots, was in the fire academy.

[Adam Carolla]

So you're, it's funny, I tried to be a fireman too, probably about the same time, but I'm in la, California and they weren't hiring white dudes. They basically just said, you want to be a fireman? You're not going to be a fireman because we're only hiring.

[Richard Rawlings]

It was like that here.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, how'd you get in then as a white dude? I don't know.

[Richard Rawlings]

I don't even know how I was considered strong enough to even do it. I probably weighed 120 pounds.

[Adam Carolla]

So you're a top and a fireman at the the same time. And so it seemed. Now what does your dad do?

[Richard Rawlings]

Well, my dad all growing up was like most of his jobs were a produce manager at like grocery stores and stuff. I'm, I like to Say that I'm as white trash as it gets. Because my birth certificate says Piggly Wiggly.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah. So you guys out there, you know what a Piggly Wiggly is? Yeah, like a little grocery store where I was born in 69, they put your dad's name and place of employment. So Piggly Wigglies aren't my birth certificate.

[Adam Carolla]

So your dad, you know, come from humble, humble upbringing.

[Richard Rawlings]

We didn't have much.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I wonder how much of that unlocks your imagination in that. You gotta make your own fun.

[Richard Rawlings]

My dad instilled into me hard work. Cause me growing up, he always had his main job, produce manager. And then every side job or anything else he could find. We threw newspapers, me and him, as side work, from the time I was probably 8 until I was 16. And back then you got two papers a day. So you got up at 3 in the morning, you went and threw the morning paper, and then you got dressed for school, went to school, and then you had to race home at four in the afternoon to throw the evening paper and then get your homework done and go to bed, you know. So he instilled, richard, I don't ever want you to have to work as hard as I do. He goes, get a good job, get good benefits, and save, save, save, you know. And he instilled that in me from a very young age. I threw it all out the window.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I. I mean, it is interesting learning how to work. You know, Like I would tell people I wanted my son, he's 19 now, but there was a time a couple years ago I said, get the. Let the kid work at McDonald's. And then everyone said to me, you're rich. You don't want your son working at McDonald's. And I said, yeah, I want him working at McDonald's. And they said, why should he work at McDonald's? I said, to learn how to work. Not for money. He doesn't need 11 bucks an hour. He's got me. But he doesn't need anything. But he will learn how to work. Now, I worked at one McDonald's because I had to. But I also learned how to work. There's a thing about work which is people think it's, you know, what? You know, we're going to pick and choose. I'll be good if it's something I want to do. If it's something I'm not interested in, how about just learning how to work? Just flat out, whatever it is you're doing.

[Richard Rawlings]

I had to work. I had to tithe on the Entire mount that I made. I had to save half of the entire amount that I made.

[Adam Carolla]

So you had to give 10% to the church. To the church of what you made throwing newspapers and doing whatever it is you were doing.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah. So let's say I made 100 bucks. 10 went to the church, 500, because that's half of what I actually made went to savings.

[Adam Carolla]

And I got 50. 50 if you made.

[Richard Rawlings]

So I got to keep 40 bucks.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's kind of like the government.

[Richard Rawlings]

It was similar to that. And they, my dad and my stepmom taught me at that time, I think I filed my first taxes at 12. The 1040 EZ.

[Adam Carolla]

What? Yeah.

[Richard Rawlings]

So they made me fill it out the kitchen table.

[Adam Carolla]

So that's kind of interesting, your dad. Because my dad didn't make any money, but he also didn't preach about work ethic and this kind of stuff. You know, somehow your dad was a good inspiration for work and hard, hard work and sort of holding down more than one job at once and stuff like that. But he worked at a pretty pedestrian.

[Richard Rawlings]

Absolutely. My dad was very uneducated. I don't think he got out of maybe eighth grade. And so he wasn't book smart, but he was street smart. And he wanted to instill in me hard work and saving and. And then his love for cars and motorcycles. So as hard as he worked and as little as we had, he always had a toy in the garage. You know, whether it was a. It wasn't the best one, it wasn't the nicest one, and it wasn't like a show car or a show motorcycle, but he was proud of it. And he'd clean it and wax it, and I'd sit there and learn from him.

[Adam Carolla]

And so you become, you get out of high school, you don't go to college, you become a cop, and you become a fireman at the same time.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

So now you're a cop and a fireman. Are you able to work both jobs simultaneously?

[Richard Rawlings]

I was. It's called dual certification. So sometimes you're, you know, you're at work at the fire department, sometimes you're working police department. And towards the, the majority of the end of my career, I was only fireman, but I was carrying a police badge. You know, I'm still certified.

[Adam Carolla]

And so how, how is it that you got yourself shot?

[Richard Rawlings]

Man, I got carjacked at a freaking. I almost said the name. I'm not supposed to, but I got carjacked at a very famous hamburger stand.

[Adam Carolla]

And when you were a cop?

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah, But I was off duty.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Richard Rawlings]

Because I was so young, I thought it was stupid for me to carry my gun. I carried my badge. But if I went out partying, trying to pick up some chicks and stuff like that, I think I was 22. I just was like, no sense in carrying a gun. That's dumb.

[Adam Carolla]

Did they require that you carry your gun as an off duty officer? No. No. Okay. So you get carjacked at 22, but you don't have to get shot just because you get carjacked.

[Richard Rawlings]

Dude, these guys, it was kind of a setup. Long story short, I, I pulled around to the windows two in the morning. Me and my buddy went to these bars. He got lucky, went home with some chick. I'm by myself, I'm like, ah, I gotta have a hamburger, you know, it's.

[Adam Carolla]

2 in the morning.

[Richard Rawlings]

Drive through the drive thru and I, I heard her take the 20 buck the $20 bill. But when she shut the window, I heard it lock, heard it click.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Richard Rawlings]

And that just caused me to look in the rearview mirror and they were already coming up on me. And I went right down where I keep my gun and it wasn't there. So I just slung it into gear and they just started firing.

[Adam Carolla]

And really I got hit. You put it in drive and took off.

[Richard Rawlings]

First gear.

[Adam Carolla]

First gear.

[Richard Rawlings]

This is a real car. Three pedals.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

What were you driving?

[Richard Rawlings]

65 Mustang, two plus two fastback.

[Adam Carolla]

65, two plus two means it's got.

[Richard Rawlings]

A fold down rear seat.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, okay. Because I was trying to think what the 2 plus 2 was in.65. 4 speed.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

And you to 289 I guess would be. And you, you just take off?

[Richard Rawlings]

I just took off.

[Adam Carolla]

And they just start firing into the car.

[Richard Rawlings]

Car, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Which is kind of crazy for it.

[Richard Rawlings]

It was, but bad neighborhood. I didn't have much money at the time, so I was living in kind of a crappy neighborhood, splitting a house with a buddy of mine and, And I think that not having the gun with me that night saved my life because I, I would have hesitated another couple of seconds pulling like this and I'd probably be dead.

[Adam Carolla]

So they just start firing into the car.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Now you think they just wanted your money?

[Richard Rawlings]

I can't imagine that they wanted the car. I mean, I don't think people get rolled for a 65 Mustang back in the, in the 90s.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right. It wasn't worth anything. And one of the bullets strikes you? Yeah.

[Richard Rawlings]

Came through like up here, my shoulder and through my arm because my arm was on the Steering wheel. And out down here.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, I can see it. See the scar. Yeah. And what do you do? You drive yourself to a hospital or something?

[Richard Rawlings]

No, no, the. I was close to the house, so I drove to the house and wake up my roommate, tell him I've been shot, and he grabs his guns. I grab my guns. We're gonna go out looking for my tie knot, you know, something around it. T shirt. I don't even remember. And we get back in the car and go looking for him, and we didn't find anybody, obviously. We get back to the house, and the house is surrounded with cops, and they got the big lights on it, and they're yelling at everybody to come out of the house. And I walk up like, you got to get out of here. And I was like, well, that's my house. They were like, well, someone's been shot. And I was like, it's me, you know? And they're like, well, who's in there? And I was like, nobody. And I was like, who called the cops? And Mark was like. He was my roommate at the time. He goes, when you said, he got shot, I called the cops. And then he said, let's go. I just hung up on him.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

So I left.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, wow. They ever find the guys?

[Richard Rawlings]

No.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Wow.

[Adam Carolla]

So is that a turning point for you or you.

[Richard Rawlings]

Not really. It didn't bother me at all. I mean, it got healed up and, you know, and went back to work. No big deal.

[Adam Carolla]

And so you continue to do the dual cop fireman thing? A few years, yeah. For a few more years.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah. It was just. I had an entrepreneurial bug, and it was one of the first times I ever saw my dad actually cry, is when I quit. He thought I'd throw my life away because I didn't have a plan. I didn't have, like, something else I was going to do. I just like, dad, if I stay here, I. I'm gonna be sitting here in 20 years with a little pension and nothing else to show for it, you know? And, like, some of the, you know, I was pretty young in the fire department, and the older guys in there, like, Richard, you don't understand because you're too young. You made it to be a fireman, so you just need to shut up. Get a fat wife in a bass boat, easy chair.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right.

[Richard Rawlings]

I was like, that's not exactly what I see my life as. I'm gonna figure out something.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I had the same aversion of that doing construction, because construction guys. Well, also, a lot of firemen do Construction jobs, do carpentry, side jobs because of the schedule. And they also know how a home is built, so they end up just gravitating to that world. So I knew a lot of firemen, carpenter guys, and I hung out with the same guys. And it was like, go down to the lake, get a jet ski, you know, get a boat. You know, it was always, get some rims for your dually and that, that sort of stuff. And I, and I watched it because I worked with guys that were older than me, and I was like, I don't think this is a big picture way to go, you know, and, and I could see you stick with it, you work real hard, and eventually you get a couple of toys and a little house somewhere in a fat wife, you know. But I, I, I, I was, I was thinking like you were thinking when I was in my 20s, I was like, there's got to be something better than this out there.

[Richard Rawlings]

Well, I think the kicking point was I went to get my car washed. I had a black car at the time. And I went into the car wash, you know, the automatic one, and they're wiping it down, and I'm paying the lady, and she goes, you want one of the litter bags? Remember the litter bag they give you that you put on your radio knob so you could stuff your trash in there? And I said, no, what I could use is one of these towels, because when I leave, water's gonna drip out. And she goes, oh, these are too expensive. You know, we can't give those away. And I was like, what's the purpose of the litter bag? Realistically, it's just to remind you to come back to the car wash.

[Adam Carolla]

Right. It's got a name on it.

[Richard Rawlings]

So I was sitting there talking to my fireman buddies in the in station. I said, you know, I could print on a nice towel, throwaway, paper towel type product, and I could print the same thing on there. It stays in the car. You got something to wipe up the spots. Serves the same purpose. I think I can sell these. They're like, you're gonna sell towels to a car wash. You know, they're laughing at me. They're, they're telling me I'm stupid and all this. And so with that time off, I kind of developed this product and I went to Las Vegas to the Car Wash association show and took in like 900 orders from 900 car washes.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Richard Rawlings]

And I come back and I'm telling them about my success. And of course, they're still poo poo.

[Adam Carolla]

And I'm like, ah, you know, don't worry about that.

[Richard Rawlings]

That's nothing. I say, guys, I'm out of here. So that was kind of like 26.

[Adam Carolla]

So you start with that. When does it start moving into cars and restoration?

[Richard Rawlings]

Well, all my life I was buying and selling cars and motorcycles and stuff, looking at them and know, you auto trader the newspaper and stuff like that. And even back when me and my dad had the newspaper route, I knew where all the cars were. I drove the streets twice a day. And so I stumbled into advertising and printing is what I stumbled into out of the fire station because of those wipes that I made. And I found I was real good at branding and building brands and helping people target their customers and sell and package, and it didn't matter the product. I just had an act. I don't know where it came from. And so I got real good at it, and I built a very sizable advertising printing firm here in Dallas. And when I came up with the idea for gas monkey in 2003, my wife and kid at the time weren't watching the shows that were on tv. And I asked her one Sunday morning, I said, why don't you watch these shows with me?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

They're great.

[Richard Rawlings]

She's like, oh, they're great. Kicking boxes and pit bulls on chains and bandanas down to here. And, you know, it's just bravado, you.

[Adam Carolla]

Know, I'm not letting the car shows. Yeah, and the car shows.

[Richard Rawlings]

Well, the motorcycle shows too.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it was all bravado. Bravado. Where's that? You know, where the shock absorbers, they're not coming till Tuesday.

[Richard Rawlings]

Tuesday.

[Adam Carolla]

They throw out all that. Yeah, it was all kind of cooked.

[Richard Rawlings]

And so I thought about it and I was like, they're missing the family part because, you know, my dad and my dad's neighborhood where we grew up, the guys had cars and motorcycles, and they got together and they drank some beers, and the kids are playing in the yard, playing kick the can or whatever, and mom's making burgers. And it was a family thing, you know. And so I said, well, they're missing the family element. They're missing the fun factor element of it because they're pushing boxes and getting in fights. And I said, I think I can do this. And my wife's like, so you think you can just come up with a brand, make it popular, get a TV show on Discovery? And you've never done TV before? You've never done any of this stuff? And I was like, typical Texas, hold my beer Watch this. And so I sold my company and took what little seed money I had and started Gas Monkey with the whole idea of being in the. Getting enough street cred to get to a point where we're in the magazines and newspapers and things. Because again, you didn't have all the. All this stuff, you know, you had magazines and tv. You didn't have anything else. And to get to a point where I could get a TV show and with the whole idea of getting into not just the TV but all the other aspects that I can get into that I'm into now, like bars and restaurants and tequila and energy drinks and all the apparel and hats and all that stuff. That was the whole plan from the beginning. I wasn't discovered by discovery. I shot all my own sizzle reels, went out there and shopped them, and got told no a hundred million times. Almost gave up and finally landed the show in 2012.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really? It was that long?

[Richard Rawlings]

Took eight years.

[Adam Carolla]

And were you shooting it right here?

[Richard Rawlings]

No. We were at my old shop up the street about a mile away. I was in a two car garage behind another garage, and he didn't have any.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Anything.

[Richard Rawlings]

We didn't have running water. We had to go to the garage in front of us, which was somebody else's business, to wash our hands or use the restroom.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. So there was a kind of a self belief you had, I think, I mean, a momentum.

[Richard Rawlings]

I don't.

[Adam Carolla]

All the successful people I know just have a sort of. I just call it personal momentum. I don't know if it's a self. I don't even know what to call it because I don't know how much self belief, like I don't know if they think they're great or winner or the chosen one or something like that. They just have a momentum where they just go forward all the time.

[Richard Rawlings]

I just believed it would work because there was nothing like it. And I kept getting told no. Because you've worked in Hollywood, once they have a recipe, they never want to change it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Richard Rawlings]

Oh, this works and nothing else does. And this was a drastic pace change.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, they, they are very much used to a pattern. You know, like when I first started doing podcasting 16 years ago, they would go, how are you gonna make money doing podcasting? And I would go, well, I would get an. I would get an audience. And then once I have an audience, then I would just sell advertising. And they go, well, that's never going to work. And I go, well, why not? That's all Radio is, that's all TV is. I just got done with doing radio. That's all it's ever been. What's the difference between radio and podcast? And they go, well, because no one does that. And I go, well, just because they don't do it now doesn't mean they're not going to do it. And so I was like, I'll just do it. I'll get an audience. And then once we get, the audience will just have advertisers just like they do on radio.

[Richard Rawlings]

Absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

And it was pretty easy. But the whole idea, it was basically, this is never going to work because no one's ever done it. But there was no good reason for it. It was just, we're not used to this and they're not that creative and they follow kind of patterns and trends and that's just how they, how they do it.

[Richard Rawlings]

Well, see, you're still out there and you're in the game, so you're being very nice. They're, they're basically just a bunch of fucking assholes and they suck. Okay, that's, that's my line. You did not say that. I did. But they do get stuck in their ways and I'm blessed that it got me here, but I wouldn't go back.

[Adam Carolla]

For $100 million today to the system, so to speak. Yeah, you want autonomy.

[Richard Rawlings]

No, I didn't want the autonomy. Those people are just, they're just, well.

[Adam Carolla]

I mean now blood sucking, evil people out there. Well, they're in a weird position in that they're sort of useless. You know what I mean? So it's sort of like there's you creating things and then there's people, ears and eyeballs wanting to hear what you got and then they got to wedge themselves in between and find something to do to get paid. And we've sort of figured out recently we don't really need these people anymore. I mean, when I would do TV shows in the 90s, 2000s, you'd see the credits roll with the producers. I created the show. I didn't even know half the people's names that were rolling. I know exactly like, I've never seen that guy. I've never, he's never been on set, he's never done anything.

[Richard Rawlings]

I created my show. I never got a producer credit until I season five.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right, right. That's, that's the whole point. Yeah, the same, the same thing. And the guy, you'd see the name on there and it'd be, that guy showed up once and all he did was go to craft service and load up a plate and then go back and eat it.

[Richard Rawlings]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

Never done anything. And so eventually, the way models and systems and economics work is those guys will have to get flushed out at some point.

[Richard Rawlings]

I think it's happening.

[Adam Carolla]

It's happening now. We're here now. And so those guys, I've found, don't contribute anything. But so what they do is they overcompensate with bravado. You know what I mean? They go, I've been doing this 35 years. I think I know what I'm talking about. Now. Here's what we're doing. But it's really just kind of born of insecurity, and they hate that the old system is gone because they're getting paid from a system that they didn't. You know, they're basically. You got guys here that are work on the cars. You got guys up here that are upfront taking orders, doing whatever. What if you just had a bunch of guys wandering around doing nothing but getting paid more than these guys? Eventually those guys get. You got to get rid of them.

[Richard Rawlings]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

And that's.

[Richard Rawlings]

That's where I'm at now. And I. I love it. I left in 2019, and we live on. Solely on YouTube as a creator, and we're bigger, we're stronger, we're better. We got more viewers than I had on Discovery on primetime Monday nights.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Richard Rawlings]

I'm happy.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. And you have all. All the products and everything else. So you. You bet on yourself. You sell your business. You. You use the seed money to get started with Gas Monkey. You're. You've been in around the resto business, cars, detailing, all that kind of stuff your whole life. You put the crew together and you just. You shoot the sizzle reel.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah, I did. We shot a. Four or five versions of it and shopped it all around. Got told yes a couple of times, only to be told no a few days later.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

And.

[Richard Rawlings]

And then finally, there's a long silence from about most of 2011, and towards the very first of 2012, I get a phone call that says, we got the show, but they're only giving me six episodes. And I was like, I don't think I can prove my concept in six episodes. I was real worried about it. I'm like, that's so little time to get people interested and hooked up in six episodes. And so I asked for more. They said no. And I almost didn't take it because I had some other ventures going on at the time. I was doing pretty good. And Some other things. And Gas Monkey was still kind of a thing I was pushing, and my wife was like, if you don't do it, you'll never know. And I was like, yeah, you're right, and it'll bug me forever. So I went ahead and took it, and off we go. Before they aired. Before they ever aired an episode, but we had filmed three. They ordered ten more.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah. Before we even aired, they knew they had something.

[Adam Carolla]

Is your dad around?

[Richard Rawlings]

He is, but he doesn't know it. He's in a home just down the street for Alzheimer's. He's in late stage. You know, he's circling the drain. He didn't get to see a whole lot of this, but he got to see enough, which I'm really proud of. And. And. But, you know, probably a lot of people ask, you know, what are you most proud of? And it said, I'm in a position to be able to take care of my dad in the best way possible because, you know, there's a lot of families out there that can't. And I mean, he's. For all intents and purposes, he's gone. He's in an infantile state. Can't eat, can't go to the bathroom, can't shower, can't do anything. His body just won't give up. Everything else is shot and what have you. But I got him in a great facility, and, you know, they do what they can, and one day he'll stop breathing, I guess.

[Adam Carolla]

How old is he?

[Richard Rawlings]

Young. 79.

[Adam Carolla]

79. So he had you young.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah, but he. We had to start, like, taking care of his books and stuff, like, at 59.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really? So it started.

[Richard Rawlings]

Set in early, and then it started advancing quick. And he's been in the state that he's in now for a few years.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Richard Rawlings]

He's been in a home for about 12.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow. So that's early onset.

[Richard Rawlings]

It is sad. It sucks. I watched my grandfather go through it, too. And then you got to sit there, worry, well, hell do I got it. It's like, I don't know.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, it seems like, you know, you stick around long enough and it'll. It'll find you. I don't know if we. I don't know if it's always been around and everyone just died at 65 or. Because my dad made it to, like, 92. Same thing kind of, you know, kicked in at the end, but I don't know, maybe that just would have happened to anybody who makes it, you know, past 89, 90.

[Richard Rawlings]

You would think. But then there's a lot of people out there that are still kicking at 100.

[Adam Carolla]

You know, I've talked to him. Norman Lear, I mean, I think he just passed, but that guy was, was 100 years old out producing TV shows. O'Reilly Auto Parts. Yeah. Love these guys. You know, the guys at O'Reilly, men, women, they know their business. Friendly, helpful, service people actually know their stuff, not just some kids staring at his phone the whole time. Always been an O'Reilly fan. Used them way back. I mean, I'm going back 40 years. I used O'Reilly, remember the one was off of Laurel Canyon in North Hollywood. Anyway, now I use them for my race cars. Just prepped them the other day. So thousands of parts and accessories stocked in store and online so you don't have to panic when the check engine light appears. You need wiper blades swapped, brake lights out. The Pros over at O'Reilly can help you. And if you're not a hands on DIY type, they'll send you to a good shop. They'll recommend somebody. So whether you're a gearhead or, or you don't know a lug nut from a donut, they'll walk you right through it. No attitude, just real help. Stop by O'Reilly Auto Parts today or visit us@o'reillyauto.com Adam that's o'reillyauto.com Adam. SimpliSafe all right, listen up. If you're ever worried about safety for your home, now's the time to check out SimpliSafe. This year, they're giving my listeners early access to their Black Friday sale. 60% off any new system. That's their biggest deal of the year. You're never gonna beat it. So here's what makes Simplisafe different. It's real security because it can actually stop crime before it starts. Most systems alert you after someone's already inside. Too late. By then, Simplisafe has live trained agents who can see what's going on outside your home and actually talk to the intruder, telling them that they're on camera and that the cops are on the way. They call it Active guard Outdoor protection. And it works. I've used Simplisafe for years. I trust Simplisafe with my family, with my home. They've been a great sponsor. And, and it's easy to set up. No contracts. You can check it all from your phone. It's simply safe, right, Dawson? You can try it risk free for 60 days with the money back guarantee. So don't wait. Head to simplisafe.com Adam and get 60% off any new system. That's simplisafe.com Adam Strawberry me. Let's talk careers for a second. We all got to have a job, but what you really want is a career. Something that makes you feel like you're actually building something, not just clocking in and clocking out. I talked to Vincent over at Strawberry. Great guy, by the way. First rate people over there. Super nice, smart, and they actually care about helping you move forward. I know that firsthand because I talked to Vincent over there. Strawberry me helps you go from stuck at work to feeling good about what you do. They'll match you with a career coach who gets your goals. You take a quick quiz and bam, you're on your way. They'll help you figure out what you want, what you're worth, and how to get there. Whether that's negotiating better pay, finding a new gig, or finally moving into something easy you care about. Head to Strawberry Me ACS to get 50% off your first week. It's your career. Take care of it. That's Strawberry me. Acs stop settling. Start building the career you actually want. So you bet on yourself. You get to follow your passion, I guess. You know, like, I'm a car guy, but I, I think I. What I really liked is mechanical stuff more than per se. Being a car guy. Like, I liked race cars because all the bits I get it were all there. You know what I mean? Like, I would see everything has to work. There's a purpose. It's for function. It's great form, but it's all function, you know, And I, and I always got, I gravitated toward race cars because, because everything on it was there for a reason. There wasn't any fake scoops or brake vents that didn't work, you know, or any of that. Like, I was, I, I, I like that I like tools. I just had a mechanical, like a yearning almost, you know, And I don't think people understand that. They understand it as it pertains to music. Like, that guy's musical, you know, he loves music. And they, they do it like, oh, this women loves kids and loves working with kids and helping kids and, or whatever that is. But I always tell people the rancher mechanical gene is just as strong. Like, you really get obsessed by it. And I don't know what you're, I don't know how you come down. Like, are you, like, they're, they're guys who go, oh, I'm a Car guy. But all they do is buy new cars and put rims on it. And I'm like, are you really a car guy or just a guy who wants to look like you're rich?

[Richard Rawlings]

Well, now, see, I'm a conceptual guy. I. And I understand how this stuff works mechanically and stuff, but I'm. I'm not a mechanic. I don't fabricate, I don't weld. I'm first and foremost a branding and business guy. And I decided to wrap my branding and business around something that I really love, which is cars and motorcycles. And I like the idea of designing it. And then I turn my team loose. So a lot of people come like, man, you build the best cars in the world. And I'll be like, no, I don't. My team does, you know, because I'll never take credit away from the them. But what I found was the secret sauce that I didn't know going into it is because I don't technically do what they do, and most of them can't balance their checkbook. This is a match made in heaven, right? You know, because, you know, you can run the business. And in a lot of shops that come along and go away, it's because, you know, they're trying to cross paths and they're trying to. I run the shop and I work on the cars and this and that, and something fails at the. That point, right? So by having a nice. I have a white line in the. In the shop there. I'll show you. And when it passes there, that means to me, that's their world, right? They're going to tell me how they need and what they need and all that kind of stuff. And up here is kind of the opposite. You know, I tell them how it's going to work and what I expect, and it's really been a good partnership that way.

[Adam Carolla]

The business is changed a lot, and. And I'm happy for it. And I. I was probably. I remember interviewing, you know, the Ring brothers, really, really nice guys who do real nice work and, and. And Bodie Stroud and a lot of these kind of guys. And I've talked to all of them way back, you know, at least 10, 15 years ago. And I always say to him, I would say, you know, what you're doing is really cool, but you're doing it on a map Maverick or you're doing it on a, you know, 60, 71 Mustang or something like that. And I'd go, what would be really cool is if you're. You could start with a platform that was cool. Like a Jaguar or like when you did the Pantera and you did a Pantera. Right?

[Richard Rawlings]

I did a white one and a blue one.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, right. So the, the point is, is instead of taking, taking these American cars that didn't really have a great shape to them to start with and doing everything to get them into good shape, what if you pick something that had a really sexy shape like a Dino Ferrari or, or, you know, a 60s Jag or a Pantera or whatever, and that was your jumping off point. Like then you did what you do to something that was already, already an amazing shape, you know, and people started doing it and, and they're taken.

[Richard Rawlings]

Sorry. Amateur move.

[Adam Carolla]

That's all right. They're taken. Like you got a Ferrari Testarossa back there. Yeah. And we can get into that. Six wheels and interesting. But like when you did the Pantera, I was like, this is a car with a cool shape, cheap mid engine, you know, European design with American power plant. And this is a good jumping off point. So then once you breathe on it, it's going next level.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yes, sir.

[Adam Carolla]

Is that. And I think the business is kind of going there now. So in the past, and I'm just, I'm not saying this to you, I'm just saying it to people who are listening, which is you wouldn't take a $300,000 car and tear it apart because economically it wasn't really there. You know, you couldn't take a $300,000 car, tear it down, put 300 into it, and it'd be worth less than a $300,000 car. Now I think people are starting to appreciate it and understand that there's some value to that and they'll pay you for it. So there's a business model now, I believe that.

[Richard Rawlings]

I mean, we were talking about it earlier. You know, guys like Singer and, and the other Porsche guys, you know, they're tearing those, they're tearing down, you know, really expensive cars and turning them into 2 million dollar Porsches instead of $800,000 Porsches. And it sounds crazy, but if you're getting the style that you want, with absolute un. Unbelievable perfection and, and performance.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Gunther Works is the other one. But, but Bruce Kennepa up in Northern California is taking Porsche 959s, which are, I mean, you guys can check me, but I don't think you could find a 959 for under 1 7, maybe 1 8. I, you know, you know, that's kind of what they're trading for. High ones, low twos. Some certainly above 1.5. So he's taking a car that is trading for $1.7 million, take it to a shop and gutting it. It's just terror. Throwing the interior out, engine drivetrain, complete teardown on a car that's at 17 to begin with. Building the engines at a shop, doing everything to it, going next level with it, putting it back together and selling it for, I don't know, three, two or something. Something like that. Now that's a. That's a pretty ballsy bet. That is because you're taking apart a car that's already 2 million bucks pretty much at the beginning. But we're there now and there's people who pay for for it and that's good for guys like you.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah. Hopefully somebody's going to pay a pretty penny for the six wheel Testarossa. I bought five Testarossas out of some movie that Mark Wahlberg was in out of Ireland, brought them here and I've made one as a full electric center.

[Adam Carolla]

Steel like a really.

[Richard Rawlings]

And then we're making the six wheel.

[Adam Carolla]

So what do you get? You get a mid-80s Testarossa Ferrari. Think Miami Vice. I guess Miami Vice starts with the Daytona, then switches to the cheese grater Testarona. It's got the vents on the side. Anyway, it's not a super desirable Ferrari. So it's not as expensive as some Ferraris are.

[Richard Rawlings]

Now you can buy good test rose for 125 grand.

[Adam Carolla]

Really good one. Really? That year. Right. So you take it and you go all electric with it.

[Richard Rawlings]

I did.

[Adam Carolla]

Now, now you don't do that for a customer. Right. You do it and then you sell it. Right.

[Richard Rawlings]

I still have it.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you still have.

[Richard Rawlings]

It's getting, it's getting power swapped right now to technology changed in the last three years. So I'm making it a lot faster, a lot meaner, a lot everything. We also whacked the entire roof and it's just got a small windshield and totally open. And we center steered it with the passenger on each side.

[Adam Carolla]

So it's like a speedster.

[Richard Rawlings]

It's pretty neat.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow. So. And what are the guts of it? The electric. It's like from a Tesla or. How's that work?

[Richard Rawlings]

You could call it Tesla, but it's that technology. But there's several companies that make those kind of motors and all of that technology. And what really worked out well is it's it. It's designed where all the weights in the back on a technology because that's where the motor and Trans and everything are. So everything lives back there still. So we're still holding the weight balances and everything as it was designed from the factory. And then we upgraded to Wilwood. Big brakes all the way around because we got to stop it. Those cars were never meant to go that fast. And we worked with Bilstein on all the shocks and coilovers, so they're all reservoirs and we've got it set up to. We will be within fractions of seconds of the Tesla plaid s on ludicrous mode.

[Adam Carolla]

So. So what people should understand is even though it's a Ferrari and it sounds great, it's got this one.

[Richard Rawlings]

Don't.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, not this one. I mean, back in the day, it's a Ferrari. It's got a flat 12 in it, I guess out of the factory and it sounds cool. Zero to 60, that car. Seven, seven, zero, six, eight something. I mean. Yeah, I mean, you know, a, a new Mini Cooper S would probably dust it. Zero to 60. Yeah. So it's not, it, it's a Ferrari, it's cool. But it's not that quick, you know, and either. But nothing was in the mid-80s, you know, Corvette wasn't that quick and Porsche wasn't that quick, you know. So now, I mean, maybe a turbo Porsche a little bit. But here's the point. You're going to go from a 6, 8, you know, 0 to 60 and you're going to take that number, you're going to cut it less than half, right?

[Richard Rawlings]

Oh, we're going to be 2.2.2.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. So 2. That's supercar. Crazy. Nutty.

[Richard Rawlings]

It's gonna be fun.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Because people don't realize how quick electric cars really are.

[Richard Rawlings]

It's insane.

[Adam Carolla]

And you know, it's funny because if people, and they must do it to you, they do it to me. They come up, they go, you, I've drive an electric Audi, you know, and I pull up, people go, you drive electric car? What the hell? Like, it's like sacrilege. I go, it's quick, it works, you know, I mean, it's fine. I just got to get from point A to point B, you know, I'm not against electric cars. Electric cars. I don't, I, I, I have a lot of vintage race cars and I race them and I like the way it sounds and everything, but there is nothing like going from zero to 60 in two seconds.

[Richard Rawlings]

No. And you know, the other. I get the same thing. What do you think about electric? Well, I've built some electric and, and I like them. I Said, and I don't have a problem with it because, you know, people used to be against the, the V8. It came out in 32, you know, oh, that's a big old V8. You know, you don't need that. And, and all of the changes people bitched about along the way. But electric, like I tell them now, you're new in your toolbox, you got a computer and maybe not so many screwdrivers, right? Because if no matter what you get built and you get into your hands, you're going to mess with it, you know, and if that means messing with the pre programming and making it faster or leaner or meaner, you're going to do it. And electric's just one of those avenues of travel.

[Adam Carolla]

So making it a center drive is really cool. Like McLaren F1 from the mid-90s, which is really bitching. Just so people understand you, the driver sits in the middle and you got a passenger seat to your right and passenger to your left. And it slid back a little bit. So you got some, you got some room. But it's a, it's a three person sports car, basically.

[Richard Rawlings]

Pretty fun.

[Adam Carolla]

And, and it's probably better like a go kart. That center driving position, it is, it's.

[Richard Rawlings]

It took a little getting used to because I'd never driven the center drive car. And now I just, I love it. I wish it was here, but it's getting the upgrade right now.

[Adam Carolla]

There's a Ferrari out there that's a kind of one off or two off built in the 60s that was given to the Ferrari dealership out here as a. Is a gift. That's a center drive that looks something like a Dino, but it sort of predates the Dino a little bit. I can't think of the name. It was given to Luigi Scott Scaglietti. I think the guy, the guy won Le Mans for Ferrari in the 50s, moved out to North America from Italy and became the importer for Ferrari. So the first. Yeah, Luigi Canetti. Luigi Canetti was the guy's name. And anyways, a gift. They made this center drive, what looked like a D but had a flat 12 in the back of it. Super bitching.

[Richard Rawlings]

Where's that car?

[Adam Carolla]

You know, I'll never forget it because it went up for auction about. Probably been about eight years ago now. Seven, eight years ago. And it was featured in that Wayne Carini TV show.

[Richard Rawlings]

Okay.

[Adam Carolla]

And Wayne Carini, for those who don't know. Nice guy, car guy, but he does a more serious car show. Oh yeah, but informative. You Know, he got the car, he shook it down, you know, cleaned it up, took it to auction. Right? So now you got Luigi Canetti's son because Luigi's gone. But he's got this sort of one off. Ferrari Center Drive, looks like a Dino, flat 12 in it. And it's a really cool piece, has like a, has like a glass roof and it's white, it's. It's bitching. And so he goes in there and they're, they're at the auction and he's, you know, is it Barrett? He's not at Barrett.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

He's.

[Adam Carolla]

He's at RM or one of the, one of the hoity toity, you know, Gooding and company, whatever auction houses. And they don't know what the car's worth, you know, because it's one off and it's kind of hard. But they probably have a reserve of like 25 million, right. And I'll never forget it because, you know, the camera's on the guy in Wayne Carini and they're sitting at the auction. You know, it's a TV show, they're trying to build the drama up. And the thing, the thing's a no sale at like 23 million. And I remember the guy was in, incredulous. The guy's like. Nothing but bad luck, you know? And I remember thinking, your dad left you a car that's stalled out at 23 million and you're disgusted by it. Like he was like, ah, what the hell, man? Why has everything happened to me? And I was like, my dad left me a Tony Bennett CD when he died. Like, you got this car, you probably shouldn't be as upset about it. I get it, you wanted 25. But he was like disgusted, that's by it. And your dad, my dad, I don't think we gotta.

[Richard Rawlings]

My dad's gonna leave me a bill at the funeral home.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, he's gonna leave you a bill. Right. So. But it reminded me of your car when you're talking about the center drive. So the six wheel wheeler, which is a really cool piece, is back there and we'll hopefully take a walk around it. Yeah, here in a minute for sure. At some point. So see how we're doing on time here. I know you got the vet you wanted to talk about.

[Richard Rawlings]

Oh, it's right behind you. 2026 ZR1.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Richard Rawlings]

Fully loaded. Everything. We're giving it away on gasmoneygarage.com and the trick with this one is if the person that wins so desires Santa monkey, I guess myself, we'll deliver it to them on Christmas day.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Richard Rawlings]

Their house?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yeah.

[Richard Rawlings]

So that's pretty cool.

[Adam Carolla]

And the Corvette is become a world beater in terms of technology and in terms of performance. And you know, Corvette. Corvette's kind of weird because. Because Corvette, it's sort of like, it's like a professional NFL franchise where you go, oh, man, the Steelers had some glory days, you know. And then they go, oh, they had some tough years too, you know. And then they go, oh, but they came back and won a Super bowl in 96 or something. Oh, okay. Then you go, oh, they're kind of struggling now. You know what they are. You're always kind of cheering for them. And vets have kind of been that way. They've had some really good years and some lean years, but they finally figured it out. Mid engine Ferrari beaters now and they're back.

[Richard Rawlings]

I truly believe that the ZR one that's behind you. Whoever, if you're allowed to buy one of those, you should have to pass a test.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Richard Rawlings]

It's truly a weapon. It is absolutely terrifying if you don't know what you're doing. That car is so fast and, and it handles so well. Everything about that car is amazing.

[Adam Carolla]

Is it the flat plane crank one or is it the turbocharged one that was turbo? I don't know all my. There's too many variants of vets now or I can't figure out the top of the top.

[Richard Rawlings]

I think they've delivered about 300 of them so far.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's got 800 horsepower.

[Richard Rawlings]

1064.

[Adam Carolla]

1064.

[Richard Rawlings]

And you know how sometimes with advertising they fudge that little bit. Somebody put one on a dyno and it showed 120something at the rear. So it's got that horsepower.

[Adam Carolla]

A thousand.

[Richard Rawlings]

A thousand twenty something at the rear. So it's, it's got the horsepower and.

[Adam Carolla]

I have it 1020 something at the rear.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah. So it's definitely over,064.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, you know there's horsepower that's made at the crank.

[Richard Rawlings]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

And then there's at the rear wheels and the rear wheels. They got to go through the differential, through the transmission and through the half shafts and through the drive shaft, propeller shaft, whatever. It scrubs off horsepower.

[Richard Rawlings]

Absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

And if you're making 10:20 to the rear, I mean, you may be over 10:64.

[Richard Rawlings]

Absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Because it crank, it'll rub off. I don't know 10%.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Exactly.

[Richard Rawlings]

That car is really neat and somebody's gonna get it for price of a T shirt. You know, that's all they got to do.

[Adam Carolla]

So you buy a T shirt and you're in. You're in. You're in the running. Yeah. So to speak.

[Richard Rawlings]

It's been pretty cool. This is our 27th giveaway, I believe. And it's pretty fun because, you know, getting to give away cars and keys and cash. And one guy was literally in tears, and he wanted the truck that we were giving away, but he needed the money for heart surgery. He didn't have any insurance, and so he had a cash option. So he was lucky enough that he won at just the right time. That, you know, in a way, he saved his life.

[Adam Carolla]

He was like, all right.

[Richard Rawlings]

He was like, richard. He goes, I need the money. I said, well, you know that it's. The money's not. It's a little less than what the thing's worth. I said, you should probably take the truck and sell it. He goes, I don't have time, because if I can get that money, I can get surgery and I'll not live longer. And so we went and saw him after he had surgery and stuff, and he was doing way better. It was pretty cool.

[Adam Carolla]

That is nice.

[Richard Rawlings]

It's really cool.

[Adam Carolla]

So this is. You say the 28th.

[Richard Rawlings]

This ends on December 20th.

[Adam Carolla]

I'm sorry, the number of cars you've given away.

[Richard Rawlings]

28Th. Giveaway.

[Adam Carolla]

28Th.

[Richard Rawlings]

27Th. 6th.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Sorry.

[Richard Rawlings]

Now I know. 26.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. So this will be done Christmas.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah. December 20th, it ends. And then, you know, Finn and our logistics and stuff. I'll deliver it to somebody on Christmas Day.

[Adam Carolla]

How do they. There has to be like a sanctioning body or something, right?

[Richard Rawlings]

There is. You gotta go through.

[Adam Carolla]

They can't just leave it up to you. And then turns out your neighbor got it.

[Richard Rawlings]

Or something like that sweepstakes company out of New York that certifies all of it in a third party accounting firm that draws the randomized number and it's all legal. Beagle.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Yeah. It's weird. Like, there's companies that if you do a thing where you go, hey, at the hockey game, you'll do a shot from the blue line to see if you can make it through a piece of plywood that's put in front of the net, whatever.

[Richard Rawlings]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

We'll give you a million bucks if you make it. Those guys are insured.

[Richard Rawlings]

That's an insurance type program.

[Adam Carolla]

That's an insurance.

[Richard Rawlings]

Every once in a while here we used to do the winner of the vehicle would also come here for a big party. They get their car, but they also got a Chance at a million bucks. And we'd put 100 envelopes on the wall and they have to pick one.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, wow.

[Richard Rawlings]

If a million dollars is in that envelope, they get it. One guy missed it by one number. He picked number four, and it was number three.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, wow.

[Richard Rawlings]

And I started to mess with him. But I don't mess with people in games of chance because I was like, what are you going to pick? He goes, I don't know, man. I got three kids and you know, dah, dah, dah, dah. And he tells me all this, and then when it comes time to pick his dad number, he picked number four. I was like, I wonder why he didn't pick three. But I didn't think about it. So he pulled four. Obviously he didn't win the million dollars, but the certified body is here, and they go, well, here's the number. And they pulled three. And it's like he's talking about his three kids, talking about the number three. And I was like, why in the hell did you go with four? He goes, I don't know. Just at the last second, he told me to choose four.

[Adam Carolla]

He's a big Dale Earnhardt fan. I think he was three on the side of the car.

[Richard Rawlings]

He was.

[Adam Carolla]

That was a deep pocket for me. So you're giving away the vet.

[Richard Rawlings]

Absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

Which will be cool. And you'll literally ship it wherever.

[Richard Rawlings]

Absolutely.

[Adam Carolla]

Wherever they are.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yeah.

[Richard Rawlings]

Or they can come here and party and drive it home. I had a guy win a demon 170, which is a more or less a drag car.

[Adam Carolla]

Right, Right.

[Richard Rawlings]

Came here and drove back to California.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

A Dodge Demon?

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

With their skinny ass, front tires.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yep.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Richard Rawlings]

He goes, I'm just going to. I said, you know, the car's kind of for drag racing stuff. He goes, I don't care.

[Adam Carolla]

I love that guy. And I know you're doing something with the Kelsey brothers.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah. Garage beer. It's all around us here and what have you. So I've been on with garage beer since we were in four states, and now we're in all 50 states. Fastest growing light beer out there and just kicking ass and taking names. You know, when we grew up, we had the big three. That was our choices.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Richard Rawlings]

And so we went after coarse bud. Yep. And so now we. We went after. You know, we first started trying to take it to market. They wanted to. We're a light beer. That's all we are. Just. As a matter of fact, I haven't even offered you one. What's wrong with me? I'M being a bad host.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Richard Rawlings]

Have a light beer, garage style. But we started going after the big three because we wanted. Cheers.

[Adam Carolla]

Cheers, man. Tastes good. And we want.

[Richard Rawlings]

They wanted to put us into the specialty section and I was like, no, no, no, no. Put us right next to the big three. They were like, you'll get creamed, you won't make it, you'll lose, your business will fail. They finally started doing it. Now we're in Costco's, Walmart's and every C stores out there.

[Adam Carolla]

And just how'd you get hooked up with the Kelsey brothers?

[Richard Rawlings]

I didn't. The, the company was foreign, but they came to me and I got involved and then I guess they went to the. The Kelsey brothers and the Kelsey's own a much larger stake in the company than I do, but I do own part of it and I still haven't met them but you know, but you know, they're doing real well with the brand and you know, it's going good. I'm pretty excited about it. It's growing fast.

[Adam Carolla]

You have a sort of what's next thought. I mean, I know it's cars, it's really cool stuff. Stuff I six wheel testerosis and whatnot, but is there something you got like sort of a holy grail out there. Is there something you want to do, you want to drive at Sebring or something? You want to drive it 24 hours at Daytona? Is there a thing when it comes.

[Richard Rawlings]

To the racing, I can't do it like you. I don't have the patience to sit and wait and you know, to get my time on the track or to sit around while I'm waiting, you know, to switch drivers or especially. I was in drag racing for a long time as a team owner and I didn't even like being there to wait, you know, so I'm really antsy. So I don't think I could ever be the driver guy. But you know, building those kind of teams, I like, I like being a part of. I'm bringing my tequila back. We were doing real well prior to Covid, but part of my exit from we'll call it Hollywood as a whole, I had to shut some divisions down and get rid of some, some partnerships and so now we own everything outright. So I'm bringing back tequila and I'm bringing back Gas Monkey Energy. And those are that and opening more restaurants and bars. We've located three more locations. I've got the one big one here in Dallas, Gas Monkey, Ice House. And then I'VE got Gas Monkey Sturges up in Sturgis, South Dakota. And next we'll be going to Pasadena, Odessa and Galveston.

[Adam Carolla]

Pasadena, Texas. I'm guessing you wouldn't dare try to do anything in California, would you?

[Richard Rawlings]

If I never have to go to California again in my life, I'm super happy with that.

[Adam Carolla]

I feel the same way. Except where I'm going back in a few days, but I still feel the same way.

[Richard Rawlings]

Do you know the tax advantages of living in Texas?

[Adam Carolla]

Oh my God, it hurts. All right, Richard, I think think we should give you a plug and then go check out that six wheel plug away. Gas Monkey energy drinks. Right? YouTube. Gas Monkey. But Gas Monkey Garage is where you should just go on YouTube.

[Richard Rawlings]

Garage.com and Gas Monkey Garage on YouTube is where they need to be. I left Discovery six years ago and we have tours coming here with 2, 300 people on Mondays and Fridays. And they, they don't know that I'm on YouTube because discovery is still making so much money on the show, they're playing it worldwide. It's still the number one automotive motorcycle lifestyle show in the world.

[Adam Carolla]

Wow.

[Richard Rawlings]

And it's been six years since I made a new episode.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, see fresh episodes on Gas Monkey Garage on YouTube.

[Richard Rawlings]

There you go.

[Adam Carolla]

Thanks, Richard.

[Richard Rawlings]

Excellent.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Richard Rawlings]

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[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

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[Richard Rawlings]

You can't make yourself food when you're on crutches.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

You can't carry a plate anywhere in the house.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, really?

[Richard Rawlings]

If you have a cup of coffee, you're gonna drink it at the coffee maker. You can't walk around with a cup of coffee in your hands with crutches.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, yeah.

[Richard Rawlings]

Can't talk on your phone at the same time.

[Adam Carolla]

Can you hobble? Yeah. Okay.

[Richard Rawlings]

But you can't hobble with a plate of meatballs. They're gonna go all over the room. See what I'm up against? No.

[Adam Carolla]

You gotta eat pancakes. You gotta eat hobble food. Yeah. Pancakes, French toast. Flat stuff that's stuck down with syrup. Yeah. Pizza stuff that's welded to plate with maple syrup. You can't eat rolly foods.

[Richard Rawlings]

Nachos are out.

[Adam Carolla]

You can't eat little Gino's pizza rolls. You can't eat meatballs. Sushi rolls. No good. Stuff that rolls no good, right?

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Like you said, you can't eat spring rolls. You could eat pot stickers because they had the word sticker right in there.

[Richard Rawlings]

You get me?

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. Beat it out with Adam Carolla and Jay Moore. Subscribe to the [e-mail] substack let's get back to the Adam Carolla Show. Tim Hardaway Sr. Is in studio. His book Killer My Life from the Chicago Streets to Basketball Royalty. It's available now everywhere you find finer books. Tim is many years in the NBA. 13 seasons played with the Golden State Warriors, Miami Heat, Dallas Mavericks, Denver Nuggets, Pacers. Five time all star and of course, gold medal with the US Olympic team. Sidney 2000. Good to see you, Tim.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Thanks for having me.

[Adam Carolla]

So I was reading that your game would be different if you were playing in today's NBA.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

You know what? You never know what your game going to be like in today's NBA, because I didn't grow up in today's NBA. You know, I didn't grow up, you know, 2,000 until now. You know, I grew up in, you know, when it was. It was still tough. We didn't have. We didn't have all this social media. We didn't have all this, you know, these games or. Or these. These laptops or anything like that. So we had to make our own fun. We had to do our own stuff. We had to, you know, make our own baskets. We had to make our, you know, football. We played football, you know, neighborhood against neighborhood, block against block, stuff like that. So we had to do a lot of our own stuff. Like, you know, we. We had to do our own stuff. Kids today grow with a silver spoon in their mouth, which. We want that for our kids.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I guess. But maybe a silver spork or something. Like, it's too much. It is too much. It's funny. I was listening to my buddy Jimmy Kimmel, and he was given a eulogy for his good friend and my good friend Clito Escobedo, who is his band leader. And he was recounting his life with Kalito as a young person having to go out. And we'd go out and we'd do these practical jokes, and we'd go out Friday nights and hang our ass out the window and moon people. And we'd go in here and do that and shoplift this. And it was all kind of like, make your own fun. And it was creative. It had to be a little dangerous. Cause if it wasn't a little dangerous, it was no good. You know what I mean? If it was too safe, it wasn't fun.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

You wouldn't jump off a stool into a swimming pool. You jump off a roof into a swimming pool because there was concrete and you could kill yourself. And all the stories he was telling were all just made up fun. There's kind of an inner city version of it and a suburbs version of it, but either way, it's males, teens, boredom, no money.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

And no video and no arcade. And just find it yourself.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Exactly. Just had to find it yourself. And I found basketball. You know, I found basketball. And when kids, they insult my intelligence when they say they can't go out there and work on their game by themselves, I'm like, I did. I worked on My game by myself. Because it was. It wasn't nobody out there that we didn't have trainers, we didn't have somebody that we go to. Our parents weren't taking us here to work out or dare to work out. We had to catch the. I'm from Chicago. We had to catch the city transit to get to different places. We had to. There was no Uber. We. And definitely we wasn't getting in cabs at 10, 12, 13, 14 years old. So we had to catch the Chicago Transit Authority. That's what it's called. And we had to catch the bus, we had to catch a train, we had to ride a bike, you know, through different neighborhoods and we had to get to the parks and, you know, we discovered how to just play with ourselves, you know, passing the ball to one another, you know, behind the back pass. We're going to do it behind the back pass. All the way, left hand and right hand all the way for a block or half a block. And then switch up, you know, dribble between your legs, like walking a ball for a block. And every block you walk, you get a quarter, you get a dollar. You know, when you get to the basketball courts, all right, who can make 10 layups or who can make 10 free throws or who can make 10 or five bank shots and stuff like that, you just made up games. So when kids tell me that they can't work on their games by themselves, that's just insulting my intelligence because I went out there and done it and I became a Hall of Famer by doing it.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I was thinking back. I used to play. We used to play two man baseball.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Which I took a baseball. The baseball sometimes would be my home run ball from Little League because I didn't have another ball. And then we'd go to the blacktop and the backstop and the school next to where I lived. And whoever pitched had a skateboard. And when you batted, you batted. And if you hit a double, the guy'd have to get on the skateboard and go chase the ball down the thing. And it was also kind of an honor system. Like, you know, that was a pop out. That was a home run. Yes, that was a double.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Right.

[Adam Carolla]

And we wouldn't even argue that much. You could tell when a hit was, you know, you drill one up the middle. Okay, that's a single. You know, like we kind of knew where it was and that's what we did all day. And it also struck me, as you were talking about your childhood, because we're about the Same age. And I grew up in North Hollywood. You grew up in Chicago. And we grew up in a very different environment, I'm sure, but I don't think things were that different. We're just poor.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

And nobody was going to take us to Arizona to go to camp for three weeks and learn, you know, talk to this celebrity or that celebrity athlete. It was just leave the house, make your own fun transportation. When you said a cab, I didn't even know what a cab cab was for. Rich people lived in New York, downtown. If we ever went to the beach, we'd take the bus to the beach. It took five transfers to get to Santa Monica. And then you had your bike. And by the way, sometimes you didn't have your bike. You had the handlebars of your friend's bike who was riding with you on the handlebars. And that's just it, you just left. Yes. And you made your own fun and you skinned your own knees and you worked your stuff out. People had to kind of know where the limits were, what you would do, what you wouldn't do. And there wasn't a big difference between the San Fernando Valley, which is pretty much just a bunch of middle class, lower middle class, sort of white dudes, and where you grew up. It was the same thing. Groups.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

Word would get out. We're playing football. We're doing it Saturday. We're going to Walter Reed. We're going to be on the girls soccer field. We're going to be there 10am we're picking up teams. Like, it was like, that's the word. There was no texting or Internet. There's just the word, the word.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Just, just somebody, you know, if you tell somebody, they'll tell somebody. They'll see somebody, they'll tell them, yo, you know, on Saturday, we going to the park. Everybody going to be at the park playing football at 10:00am you want to join us to be there? And people there at 9 o', clock, people at 8:30, stretching out, getting ready to play, you know, actually playing football early, before we, before we even start a real, real football game. So, yeah, you know, like, like you was asking me, you know what, you know, how will I be in this era? I don't know. I couldn't even tell you because I, you know, I, I grew up differently. I grew up. I grew up, you know, tough. I grew up having to do stuff for myself. I grew up not counting on nobody. I grew up, you know, when my parents told me no, no means no, and that was it. And don't ask questions. You know, I couldn't ask why, or he got that, or my friend has that. No, boy, when it was no, do not ask questions. And that was that, you know, so.

[Adam Carolla]

Because I said so. Yeah, I know it's like, almost doesn't work anymore. But your parents stayed together. They worked.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

No, my dad, like I said in the book, you know, he drank alcohol and he was, you know, he abused my mom, you know, and it was just because of the alcohol. He really didn't know. Well, he knew, but alcohol really, really took over, you know, a lot of the things that he did around the house. We were scared of him. We scared. You know, I used to bite my nails and all that type of stuff, but basketball was the way out for me and to just get out there and be physical and clear my mind and to get away from stuff. And he was a basketball legend in the streets of Chicago, and a lot of people knew him, and I just gravitated to basketball. And I watched him play and I took over his attitude on the court. How to play, how to play tough, how to defend your man, how to go to the basket, how to think the game, how to understand the game, you know, understand your opponent and all that. And. But, yeah, you know, it was kind of tough in my household. And my mom finally got away from him and left him when I was in sixth grade. And I had to become a man right then and there because my brother, he was like, you know, he's seven years behind me. So it was like, you know, he was just a baby, and we had to, you know, I had to become a man right then and there. I had to take him up on. I had to, you know, do what a man supposed to do, take care of my brother when my. My mom wasn't at home and, you know, but I took him to a lot of play. I took him to a lot of parks. I took him to a lot of parks where he could play, and I knew where he was at and I didn't have to worry about him back then. I played basketball in the streets. Chicago, in the parks. Chicago. And brought him back home, you know, during the summer and. And, you know, during the year. You know, we knew that where he was at at school and all that, nursery school and everything till we got older and stuff. So, yeah, you know, I had to take care of him. I had to be, you know, like I said, become a man. So, yeah, you know, growing up then, we knew how to become men. A lot of these kids today don't have that structure to understand how to become a man at that particular time in their lives.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, also, it strikes me they don't really want to be a man because when we were younger, I think they.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Wanna be a man. I just don't know if they know how to be a man because they haven't been correctly taught while they was growing up.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, here's what I'm gonna say. When I was young, it was all about pretending like you're older. Like girls stuffed their bras when they were 13 to try to look like they were 17. You know, guys would smoke a cigarette or drink a beer when they were 13 just to look older. You wanted to hang out with the older people. You wanted to appear to be older. Now, this is all I know. My kids and everybody I talk to, when I talk to them about their sons, they go, my kid didn't even want a driver's license. He's 18, he still doesn't have a driver. I go, I don't know what's going on. They don't even care if they get their driver's license. Were like, you gotta get your driver's license the second you turn 16, because that's freedom, man.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Freedom. You are out, gone.

[Adam Carolla]

And I, and I was, I failed driver's education when I was in high school. So I had to sign up for one of those Sears schools where you go to a strip mall and you'd be there for 72 hours and just do it like a crash course, pardon the pun. And. But man, my 16th birthday, I was at the DMV. I wanted my license.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

I didn't fail. The first time I was there, I got mine. The first time I wanted to drive, I wanted to get out, right?

[Adam Carolla]

And so I talked. So I'll. You know, my, my son is 19 now, but when he was like, you know, 17, I was like, where, where's your driver's license? I don't know. I go, won't you go get your driver's license? I don't need one. He didn't want to leave. He didn't, he didn't have to leave. He had air conditioning, an 80 inch television, a fridge full of food. He wasn't going anywhere. He didn't need to go anywhere. And then I started talking to other people about their sons and daughters and they were going, yeah, my daughter's 19, she doesn't have her driver's license. They didn't care. And that was the Mason Dixon line for me. That's when I realized they weren't desperate to get out like we wanted out. Independence, break away. Autonomy.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes. No kids. Well, my kids, they wanted to get out. They wanted to get their driver's license, they wanted to drive themselves. They wanted to get out and get out and have some fun and come in when they wanted to come in and do that, all that type of stuff. So my kids was ambitious from the first get go because, you know, first of all, you with a family that we go out of town, we do stuff every summer, we go somewhere, we have fun two or three times a summer. So my kids was used to going places, doing stuff, getting out, having fun, enjoying themselves, not being in front of a tv, not being in front of a laptop or iPad. You know, we was out, you know, doing stuff as a family or you know, being at a, you know, a au basketball game at a fam as a family when he's watching Tim. So you know, they.

[Adam Carolla]

Tim, your son? Your son? Yeah, Tim. He's in the NBA now. Yes on the Nugget.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes on the Nuggets.

[Adam Carolla]

How do you, how old was Tim when he thought he could beat you in basketball?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

He was like what, a junior in high school, Junior high school. He now, you know what going like his, his, what was that? His going into his freshman year in high. In college. Freshman year in college. That's when he, he knew that he could beat me. He, he, he kind of like stutter stepped and, and I went for the stutter step and, and he kind of crossed me over and I looked back, I mean I was thinking like, oh, he about to dunk on me. I said, oh. And I sprinted back and I snatched him out the air because he was about 6, 6 at that time. I snatched him out the air. I was like, no, no, no, you can't embarrass me in front of company. So I said, we not gonna play no more basketball. You won. And that was it. And that was all.

[Adam Carolla]

But you could beat him up until then?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

And you guys probably had some pretty epic one on ones.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

You know what, we didn't play one on one all the time. It was like fun. And posting up here, showing him some skills here and there, how to post up, showing him some little techniques on how to maneuver his feet, footwork and, and get around people and how to use the, you know, how to use the dribble and what he needs to do that type of stuff, that's what we need to work on. But when we played a game, you know, it was like physical, it was real physical.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Richard Rawlings]

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[Adam Carolla]

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[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Less fight and Charlie's Angels. Damn, I hate to fly.

[Richard Rawlings]

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[Adam Carolla]

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Who are some of the guys you played with that like you could really feel their game in that? I don't know. When you box, you don't really know until you get in the ring with the person. Then you get in the ring with the person, you go, oh, this guy's got power. You can kind of feel it on him, but you can't really watch it on tv. You have to kind of feel it.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

You know, a lot of people didn't think Chris Mullen was strong. Chris Mullen was very strong. You know, a lot of people didn't think, what was that? Scottie Pippen wasn't strong, but he was very strong. Even, you know, you know, wiry guys like Gary Payton, they didn't think he was strong or Rod Strickland, but they were strong. You know, it was hard to post them up. It was hard to get around them at times. So yeah, you know, when you play against them, you're like, oh wow, you know, you got some strength to you.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's the wiry guys that seem to seem to have that leverage.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Then you got some bulky guys that was weak, you think they were strong, but when you boxed them out and you push them, you, that's for nothing right there. All them, all them muscles are for nothing.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, you must also excelled at football and like Other sports?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

No, I did not. I was playing football, and I'm in high school, and a guy was on my team that was running back. We was playing against some big white guys, and they tackled him real hard right in front of the bench. And they said, and there's more of that where this comes from. I went. I walked to the locker room and I took off my. My shoulder pads and my uniform, and I went and sat up in the stands and I put my. I reached over the fence and put my. All that over the fence right there by them. And it was Hardaway. Hardaway. Where's Hardaway?

[Adam Carolla]

In high school.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

In high school. And I was like, what year? It was like my June, sophomore year.

[Adam Carolla]

Were you on the junior varsity or the varsity?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Varsity.

[Adam Carolla]

You're on varsity?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yeah, varsity.

[Adam Carolla]

And what position you play?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

I was going to play quarterback.

[Adam Carolla]

You're good. You're playing quarterback?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes. And.

[Adam Carolla]

But you weren't starting.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

No, I wasn't starting. I was coming off the bench and. Yeah, and then. And I went and sat up in the benches and.

[Adam Carolla]

Really?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

You didn't talk to the coaches or anything?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

No, I just went. Took my stuff off, went up there and sat down. He was like, hardaway. And then the rest of the team was calling me all type of names. I was like, yes, that's me. I will be that. I'm not scared to be that yet. Did you see how hard they tackled that guy? They was like, yeah, that's football. I said, yeah, well, I'm not. No, that's not for me.

[Adam Carolla]

So you knew there was basketball?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yeah, I was playing basketball. That's why I went to school there, for basketball. But I wanted to try some football. And after I saw the guy get hit, I was like, no, no, no, I'm not doing that.

[Adam Carolla]

Because real, like, fast twitch, muscle, footwork, stuff like, you could like. I don't know.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

I was better at basketball than I was gonna be a football pointer.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, but you could play any sport because you were quick.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yeah, yeah, I could play any sport, but, yeah, I mean that. You know something? It's like. It's like a boxer. They say when a guy fights or when he boxes or whatever, he. You don't know until you want to box, until you get hit in the nose, until you get hit in the face. Then you be like, oh, okay, yeah, I'm going to still box, or, this is it for me.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah. So you excelled at basketball. You got recruited out of high school to college.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes. Texas. El Paso.

[Adam Carolla]

Texas. El Paso. You excelled there.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

Drafted in the NBA?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

What year was your draft?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

89.

[Adam Carolla]

89. Who else was around in that.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Trip, man, you had Pooh Richardson. You had Pooh Richardson. Yep. You had. Who else? Was it Purvis? Ellison.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

He went number one to Sacramento. Poole Richardson. Then you had. Okay, Mookie Blaylock, George McLeod, Glenn Rice, Michael Smith. Was it Glenn Rice? I thought Glenn was.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I'm just looking at the screen. Was it Danny Ferry?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yeah. Glenn Rice. Okay. Yep. Danny Ferry. Yep. Sean Kemp, BJ Armstrong, Dana Barrows.

[Adam Carolla]

It was kind of interesting.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

I don't know, Elliot. Yeah.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't know if you can answer this. I don't know if it's answerable, but. And pro football, it's kind of tough. They take these guys, they win the Heisman, they go number one and bust. You know what I mean? Blame out. But then that happens in basketball, too. But I don't know which one's harder to figure out. I mean, you know, you see Michael Jordan when he's playing college ball, or maybe Larry Bird or Magic, and you go, okay, that's going to work in the league. Like, I could see they knew those guys. But then there's lots of guys that just don't work out. And I don't know what it is. I don't know what that transition from college to pros is for certain guys.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Well, you playing against grown men, you're going from college playing with kids to playing against grown men in the NBA. You're talking about grown men that's been in the league 10 years, eight years, seven years, understand how to take care of their body, know how to a day, know angles, they know how to cut you off, they know how to stop you from getting where you need to get to. They stronger, they more physical. You know, sometimes a lot of guys come in thinking they got it figured out already, and then when they come in and don't know that they see that they don't have it figured out, then, you know, it kind of. Kind of hurt them. You know, it kind of hurt. Hurt their feelings, kind of hurt their confidence. Confidence and everything. So. And they, and they, and they not able to recover. And then you got, you know, I mean, when you leave college, it's, you know, you in a big boy league now, and the media's on you, the fans are on you. You know, they calling you a bus. They, you know, they say you overrated, uh, you know, even your own fans at times. So, yeah, you know, you, you, you, you have to come in ready, you have to be at with a real strong mentality. Like I grew up with a real strong mentality because I was always criticized and I always took that as constructive criticism. You short, you're not going to be able to shoot over big, big guys.

[Adam Carolla]

How tall are you?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

I'm six feet, but I'm talking about when you. When I was little, I. I was. When, When I was in high school, I was little, you know. How tall are you in high school? I don't know, probably about five, nine.

[Adam Carolla]

Oh, I mean, six foot's short for the NBA.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Right, right, right. But, you know, Isaiah Thomas made it 6ft 6, 1, 6 2. Good for the NBA. Yeah, you know, but, yeah, I mean, you know, you coming up through the D.O. chicago, hardcore Chicago, you know, and I just took it as constructive criticism. Some people take it as criticism. Like they crit. I can't. I can't take the criticism anymore. And I've seen people crumble and stop, you know, stop playing in the parks, go to different parks and. And confidence is just gone. I just took it as constructive criticism. I came out each and every day and knew I was going. Knew I was one of the best players out there, and I played like it each and every time I went out there. And, you know, it bothered me when we. I had a subpar day, and when I had a good day, it still bothered me because I knew I could have had a better day. So. Yeah, you know, it's just. It's just how you grew up and how you. How you believe in yourself, how much confidence you got. And you go out there and you just. And you learn, you know, you learn from experience. You learn the ups and you learn the downs. You learn the good and the bad. You learn, you know, who to mess with, who not to mess with. You know, when to talk, when not to talk. You know, you just go through the criticism. That's what I did, and that's what prepared me to play in the NBA.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I'm with you on the criticism, even if it's not constructive. I don't know. I mean, in a weird way.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

No, no, no.

[Adam Carolla]

All of it's constructive. I took it as constructive.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

I took it as constructive criticism. I want to say it was constructive criticism. I took it as constructive criticism.

[Adam Carolla]

I don't even know why we need to qualify it, because I've took a lot. You take criticism.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

And then you can figure out what you want to do with the criticism.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

And. And people tell you stuff, and if you argue with them or you try to Push it back on them. So a lot of people have a posture where somebody comes up to them and they go, hey, you know, what you did was fine, but here's where I think you could improve. And then they go, oh, yeah, here's what you could improve. And they start arguing with the person, and then you don't improve. I always took it as a guy, played a lot of stuff and had a lot of coaches and stuff. When they'd come up and get up on you, it's cause they cared. It's cause they wanted you to be better. Exactly. It's because they thought there was some potential. When they stop talking to you, that's when you're in trouble. That means they've thrown in the towel or given up hope. And there's a lot of people just in my life where I went, okay, screw that guy. I'm not even gonna waste my breath on that person anymore.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Exactly.

[Adam Carolla]

That's bad. Whether you're a player or an employee or a neighbor, or when the person just goes, no more talking to you, because it's not worth it anymore. That's what you don't want. You want them telling you stuff and okay, doesn't feel good. Fine. Fix it.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

You know, I had a lot of people talk to me, and I listened to them, whether it's good, whether it's bad, whether I didn't believe them or not believed them, but I still listened to them. Because you never knew. When somebody tell you something that might happen to your life, and probably I say about 50% of things that people have told me has happened in my life, and I knew how to deal with it at that particular time. So I'm in high school, and one of my dad's good friends, he watching me play, and I go up and block somebody. Shot off the glass. I pinned it to the glass, and. And I go down.

[Adam Carolla]

I laid at 59.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yeah. And I pinned to the glass, and I go down the court and I pass the ball to somebody for a layup. And, you know, I came to the. After the game, I said, did you see. Did you see me do that? You blocked that gas shot off a glass. The first time I pinned somebody, stuff on glass and this and that, he said. And he was right in front of my dad and this. My dad's good friend, and he said, look, you little short mf, you don't talk about yourself. You let us talk about you. We saw what you did. You don't brag on yourself. You let us brag on you. And I shut up right then and then and I understood what he was saying. And at that, right then and there, I never bragged about myself. I never, you know, said anything like that again. I let everybody else say, and I was like, yeah, you know, that was good play something like that. But I never did that. It's just things like that, you got to listen to what they saying instead of how they saying it. And I listened to what he said and I understood exactly what he was saying and I kept it to myself and I let it go. Like in high school, a teacher of mine, she said, yeah, I'm going to carry a safety pin. I said, what's the safety pin for? She said, because if your head gets a little bit too big, I could hit it, I could bust it just a little bit and just let a little bit air out, just a little bit out. And she always, she always said this. So I'm walking through the hallway, her name was Ms. Hunter. She said, hey, Hardaway, I got my safety pin out just in case. I just see something. That's all. I'm like, okay, Ms. Hunter. And she kept me grounded. It's just things like that that people just say to you that, you know, I understood and I, and I, I understood what they were saying and I kept it humble. You know, a lot of these kids that some people might say to them, you know, they might say f you or they might say, you don't know what you're talking about. Are you this and that. That's what I think gets these kids in trouble today. And I think that's what they don't help themselves by just listening to people and listening to what they have to say because if they did, it'll help them grow and it helped them mature a lot faster.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, and also you have to have, I don't know if I want to call it a thick skin, but you have to have the ability to hear people and you have to hear what they have to say. If you're going to push yourself out there, if you want to play basketball in front of people or you want to do stand up comedy in front of people, then those people are going to have some thoughts, right? And you have to kind of listen to them.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

And it's all good because I like architecture, I like building and that kind of stuff. I always take people through my project and I go, here's what I'm thinking, but what do you think? And eight or nine times out of ten, their thoughts aren't any good because that's not their business and they don't have experience. But once in a while someone goes, you should bust the fireplace open so you can have it in the master bedroom and the living room. And I go, oh, thank you, thank you. Free. By the way, you don't have to pay them, they just come up with a thing. And you should get as many opinions as you can on stuff. And when I build stuff, I always say to my guy, here's what I want to do. Tell me why I'm wrong, tell me what I got wrong. Here's my design, here's my plan. Now tell me if you don't open that door to tell me if you make them feel like they're going to get yelled at if they give their opinion or something like that, then you're going to miss out on a whole bunch of free stuff that are good ideas.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Well, you know, you writing your aspect but in basketball you go out there and work on your game and you have your own opinions about your game. You don't go, you go ask what do I need to work on? And they tell you what you need to work on to get better. I knew what I need to work on to get better. I knew what, what people was telling me that I couldn't do. I wanted to go out and show them that I could do it. So in basketball when you tell somebody you can't do it or you need to work on that, that's what they need to work on. Or if you don't need to work on anything, you just need to sharpen all your skills up. You sharpen all your skills up and you always take something from somebody else. Everybody in NBA takes something from somebody else. If you look at it, somebody took something from me, somebody took something from Michael Jordan, somebody took something from Kobe Bryant, somebody took some from Gary Payton, somebody took something from Scottie Pippen. You always stealing somebody's move or their, their post up moves or, or something new that you, you see that something that you was like, oh, I could use that. Yeah, that, that's, that's, that's in the NBA or basketball, period.

[Adam Carolla]

It's probably in most creative endeavors. Cause really basketball to me I really realize this is kind of improv and it's sort of jazz and it's just sort of jazz improv. It's not really reading sheet music is, I mean not all of it, but I mean a lot of great improvisers.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Well, on offense it is.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, on offense. On offense.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

No question on offense it's very improvising.

[Adam Carolla]

It's improvisational, Gene, where like you're moving the ball down the court, you're looking at everything and you're doing a no look pass around the back or whatever, it's all split decision. I don't even know how much of it is conscious.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Boom, boom.

[Adam Carolla]

But playing the jazz saxophone has to be that as well. You're just there, you're not looking at notes, you're just playing and you're feeling it.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Yes.

[Adam Carolla]

And it feels very improvisational to me. And I mean, comedy can be that way, jazz can be that way and leading a fast break can be that way.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

I can see, I can see comedy being that way where you can, you know, when you're talking about something, you're making a point and somebody say something out in the audience, then you revert to them and then.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, it's. Well, what it is, is like if you're running down the court on a fast break and you're thinking, I'm going to throw the ball to number four the whole time you're locked in, Right. You're already locked in.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

But you're not going to be doing that.

[Adam Carolla]

No, I know you're not going to do it. And in comedy you can't go, here's what I'm going to say. You have to react, right. I always say, like a good center fielder, just be on the balls of your feet, right. And be in that position. But don't start running before it comes off the bat.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Correct.

[Adam Carolla]

You don't know if you're going forward, backward, right or left.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Exactly. You never know. You got to be ready, though.

[Adam Carolla]

But if you're in that, right, neutral, kind of buoyant position with the weight just right, when it comes off the bat, you're already moving. Correct. And there's a comedy improv version of that. There's probably a basketball version and there's a jazz sax version of that as well. So. Yeah, and then you watch like, I don't know, I just watched the Last Dance the other night. Like, I rewatched it just because it's so interesting and compelling.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

It is.

[Adam Carolla]

It's got to be interesting for you, being there, knowing a lot of those guys, living it, you know, for me, it's compelling as hell. Just sitting on the sofa, watching it, never being near it. But it's still crazy. But like you said, you show Michael Jordan give the Kobe tip on the turnaround and then you have people lifting stuff off Kobe, but Kobe got some of that stuff from Jordan, you know, so now it's like a generational thing. It's not. You're taking him, you're taking. Taking Jordan and him and putting that into your game. And just how tough those games were with Detroit Pistons and Laimbeer and that whole world.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Oh, yeah, yeah. I used to watch them. Like I said, I'm from Chicago. I used to go to the games. Isaiah Thomas is my idol. He from Chicago, and I watched him as I was growing up and I patterned my game after him. So those good battles, and I love watching those battles. I love. But, you know, a lot of things a lot of people don't know about Michael, he did not say one word. He gets knocked down, he keeps getting up, he loses. He doesn't say anything about the referees, he doesn't say anything about his coaches. He doesn't say anything about his team. Only thing he says, we got to get better, we got to get stronger, we got to get mentally stronger and we got to get physically stronger to contend with them because we got to get through them to get to that next step to win a championship. Each and every year he said the same thing. And each and every year, he did not criticize nobody. He did not get mad at nobody. He just got himself better and he got his teammates better. So when it was time to win, that's why they was the dynasty that they was at that particular time.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I mean, you realize the work ethic with that guy.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Oh, yeah, I saw it.

[Adam Carolla]

How insane the work ethic was.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

I saw it.

[Adam Carolla]

And I think we spend a little too much time talking about people being blessed or God given ability or whatever. True. No, he was blessed, but the work.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Ethic, you still got a work ethic. Just like Kobe. Kobe was blessed and his work ethic was tremendous. Like you still hear stories. I was listening to somebody on a podcast and they was talking about Kobe was. They was practicing and he was there early. They was practicing. And after practice, he cut his tape off and went back in there and re taped up again. And he said, now it's time to work on my individual gang.

[Adam Carolla]

Right.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

You know, so I mean that. I mean, that's how you approach it. This is. This is your livelihood. This is what you love to do. I love to play basketball. I love to go out there and compete. I love to go out there and, you know, cross somebody over. I love to go out there and play some defense on somebody and hit a crowd. If somebody cross me over, shoot something in my face. Ooh. So I go back down. So next time I stick him that he Won't be. Give the crowd. Ooh. You know, that, that. That's the competitiveness. That's. That's the. That's the hard work. That's the, you know, dedication that you put into it each and every night. And, you know, a lot of people, like, I love to play 82 games, you know, a day off. A day off. We practice and we played 82 games, and, you know, we went out there and played hard. You know, there's a lot of teams that's getting blown out by 40, 50 points every night. And I'm trying to figure out, you gotta have pride to come out and stop this. Getting beat up or getting. Getting embarrassed, now, that's embarrassing. Losing about 40, 30, 40, 50 points every night is embarrassing.

[Adam Carolla]

Right?

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

So you got to, As a team, we had to come out and say, look, man, and you got to talk to your teammates. Yo, we got to stop this. All right? We here. And I'm embarrassed. I hope I know y' all embarrassed. So we got to come out here and play together and play harder. We got to play harder each and every night so we can win, and so we get some respectability around here, and that's what teams have to say.

[Adam Carolla]

Yeah, I mean, I guess it's. It's hard to do kind of a business and.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

No, it's turned to a business. But I, I, I, I. But, you know, if you want to win, if you want to win, if you, if you own a team to win instead of it being a business like Kobe, he. He was on the team to win.

[Richard Rawlings]

Yeah.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

You know, Michael was on the team to win. I was on the team with Chris Mullen and Mitch Richmond to win Alonzo Mourning and all those guys to win. You know, it's still a business, but we was on there to win. But, you know, when you want to go on there, if you want to have it to be a business, you know, you just not going to win.

[Adam Carolla]

Well, I guess what I want to tell people is it's a better business when you do win.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Oh, no question. Everybody. Everybody gets the accolades. No matter if you're the 12th man on the team, if you win, you're going to get the accolades and you're going to get paid.

[Adam Carolla]

The book killer crossover my life from the Chicago streets to basketball royalty. Tim Hardaway Sr. Thanks for stopping by.

[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Thank you for having me.

[Adam Carolla]

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[Tim Hardaway Sr.]

Thank you.

[Adam Carolla]

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