RFC Amazon & Target

Summary

Add to Cart with Kulap Vilaysack & SuChin Pak – Episode: RFC Amazon & Target

Release Date: April 8, 2025

In this episode of Add to Cart, hosts Kulap Vilaysack and SuChin Pak delve deep into the world of consumerism, exploring the nuances of selecting and rejecting products that align with their values. Titled "RFC Amazon & Target," the episode focuses on alternatives to major retail giants like Amazon and Target, emphasizing support for small businesses and thoughtful purchasing decisions.

1. Navigating Consumer Choices

The conversation kicks off with a reflection on the challenges of modern shopping habits. Kulap shares her growing disinterest in acquiring new luxury goods, expressing a shift towards more meaningful and value-driven purchases.

Kulap Vilaysack [42:02]: "I'm very materialistic and shallow and I look at this stuff and I'm like, it's not worth it."

SuChin concurs, highlighting the ethical dilemmas associated with big brands, especially regarding their labor practices and authenticity.

SuChin Pak [42:28]: "It's the hunt. The hunt is what I crave."

2. Embracing Small Businesses for Home Essentials

Responding to a listener's request, Kulap and SuChin explore various small businesses that offer sustainable and health-conscious home products. They emphasize the importance of supporting brands that prioritize environmental friendliness and consumer safety.

Blueland & Branch Basics

Kulap praises Blueland for its range of clean cleaning products, including hand soaps, dishwashing tablets, and innovative fizzy toilet tablets. She underscores the effectiveness and convenience of these products.

Kulap Vilaysack [19:49]: "I find that it really does a job and it's great."

SuChin introduces Branch Basics, a brand committed to eliminating harmful chemicals from their cleaning solutions. She appreciates their transparent ingredient lists and the tangible results their products deliver, particularly for laundry needs.

SuChin Pak [21:01]: "It's really great when a founder had a problem that they couldn't find a solution for and then develop something."

Full Circle

Another highlight is Full Circle, renowned for durable and eco-friendly cleaning tools. Kulap shares her satisfaction with their scrubbers and dish brushes, which combine functionality with sustainability.

Kulap Vilaysack [23:03]: "It's beautiful stuff. They just last a really long time."

3. Sustainable and Lead-Free Ceramics

The hosts turn their attention to kitchen essentials, discussing the significance of lead-free ceramics. SuChin introduces brands like East Fork and Fable, which offer beautifully crafted, safe, and durable dishware.

SuChin Pak [26:37]: "They are lead free ceramics and Fable is one that we use all the time."

Kulap shares the importance of investing in high-quality ceramic products to ensure safety and longevity in the kitchen.

Kulap Vilaysack [27:53]: "It's logically the right move for us, especially with our family's health concerns."

4. Innovative Lighting Solutions

Addressing the impact of lighting on well-being, Kulap recommends Block Blue Light bulbs. These bulbs offer customizable settings that mimic natural light cycles, reducing blue light exposure and promoting healthier sleep patterns.

Kulap Vilaysack [34:02]: "This is a great kind of thing for everyone to use because you can have three bulbs in one."

5. Smart Furniture for Small Spaces

Kulap and SuChin explore Russet, a furniture company specializing in compact and easy-to-assemble pieces ideal for those with decision fatigue. They laud the brand's minimalist designs and practicality, which cater to modern living spaces.

SuChin Pak [32:12]: "They don't have a catalog of pages and pages. Just a few things done perfectly right that you absolutely need."

6. Thrifting and Local Shopping Adventures

The hosts share their personal experiences with thrifting and local shopping, highlighting the joy of discovering unique pieces while reducing dependence on big-box retailers. Kulap recounts a delightful trip to vintage shops and local boutiques, emphasizing the community-centric aspect of supporting small businesses.

Kulap Vilaysack [50:07]: "It's the hunt. The hunt is what I crave."

7. Engaging with the Community

Throughout the episode, Kulap and SuChin encourage listeners to share their own recommendations for ethical and sustainable brands. They stress the importance of building a community that supports each other in making conscious purchasing decisions.

SuChin Pak [54:43]: "We want to know. We want your tips."

Conclusion

"RFC Amazon & Target" serves as a thoughtful exploration of consumer habits, urging listeners to consider the ethical and environmental implications of their purchases. By spotlighting small businesses and sustainable brands, Kulap Vilaysack and SuChin Pak provide actionable insights for those looking to make mindful additions to their carts. The episode not only informs but also inspires a shift towards more responsible and fulfilling shopping practices.

Notable Quotes:

• Kulap Vilaysack [42:02]: "I'm very materialistic and shallow and I look at this stuff and I'm like, it's not worth it."

• Kulap Vilaysack [34:02]: "This is a great kind of thing for everyone to use because you can have three bulbs in one."

• SuChin Pak [21:01]: "It's really great when a founder had a problem that they couldn't find a solution for and then develop something."

• SuChin Pak [34:16]: "It doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. If there was instructions for you. What have we already established?"

• SuChin Pak [54:43]: "We want to know. We want your tips."

Through engaging dialogue and personal anecdotes, Kulap and SuChin effectively guide listeners towards more ethical and satisfying consumer choices, embodying the podcast's mission to dissect what we buy into and understand what it reveals about ourselves.

Transcript

[Suchin Pak]

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[Susu Vilasack]

Boat Baby.

[Suchin Pak]

It's a memoir following Vicky Nguyen from boat refugee to NBC reporter. It's about resilience and. And grit and what the promise of America can be. Vicki's family escapes communist Vietnam and makes her way here. But that's only part of the story. With heart and humor, Vicki shares childhood misadventures and talks honestly about combating stereotyping and the struggle to be a dutiful daughter. Boat Baby available wherever books are sold. Lemonade.

[Susu Vilasack]

Also with that fire boy bling bling. You forgot your bling bling.

[Suchin Pak]

Wait, Carters, how is mid April treating you? Has spring sprung? It's your auntie Cuckoo V. Lysack and I'm here with Susu.

[Susu Vilasack]

Susu Vilasack. Well, that's right.

[Suchin Pak]

We are officially married.

[Susu Vilasack]

Guys, it only took five years just greasing each other up before we made.

[Suchin Pak]

It biblical with serums and with sweat. Sweat. Oh, so much sweat. Spring is in. I'm kinda.

[Susu Vilasack]

I'm kind of into it.

[Suchin Pak]

Whoa. Who is this character?

[Susu Vilasack]

January, all lights were off. There was no electricity. The whole grid was down.

[Suchin Pak]

Oh yeah. Well, also fire on fuego.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yes, grid down. Every grid. February, Recovering. Recovering, yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

Had some personal stuff, but it wasn't smooth. It wasn't smooth.

[Susu Vilasack]

I had some personal stuff. Now we are recording in March. You're listening to this in April and I'm feeling like things are good. Partly because in the school year time, when you have school age children, it's summer starting usually right around March is when you have to plan the entire summer camps, plane tickets, other families travel. Is it mini kaba kadu. So in a strange way, obviously kaba.

[Suchin Pak]

And kadu kaba kadu.

[Susu Vilasack]

You know what I'm talking about. It's June, so Zuke's math zero plus one plus one plus Two is zero. And it's a little bit like that spring, so I don't know. I'm kind of feeling fun. My she shed is.

[Suchin Pak]

I do feel lifted.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah. Right.

[Suchin Pak]

I do feel like something has lifted.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

Sorry to interrupt you. Please talk about your shed.

[Susu Vilasack]

No, I. I do want to hear. Because I want to hear if you. You feel the same. So. Yes, the she shed. And we'll talk about that. That'll be a big add to cart when I actually do the reveal I'm planning on.

[Suchin Pak]

I haven't. I'm gonna pitch it to you on mic right now.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

My pitch is me and little Emmy, we come up there, you know, and, you know, I get some video, you know, we do. We do. Let me add a cribs. We do a cribs, but with the she shed.

[Susu Vilasack]

Okay. No, I want that. It's just thinking about what is available to you right now in that she shed. And to try to explain some of the logic is. Is making me giggle. Let me add an episode down the road, the she shed episode. And then you can decide whether you want. Oh, for sure. You're going to come up, period. And you'll see it.

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah. And I want.

[Susu Vilasack]

You are of the sign where your environment is a reflection of your soul and your state of well being. Yes. Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

My external is a reflection of my internal.

[Susu Vilasack]

Correct.

[Suchin Pak]

I am shallow that way.

[Susu Vilasack]

No, you're multi. Sensory.

[Suchin Pak]

But for sue, what is your.

[Susu Vilasack]

Mine is processing. My style, if left to my own devices, is just piece by piece, painstakingly over years and making do and living with mistakes.

[Suchin Pak]

It's hard to hear you say making do when I know that you've built this from the ground up.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah. And from the ground up. It's been every step of the way. You know what? Didn't know that. That's what that looked like when I said yes, and we'll make do. And I go in there every day and I'm like, wow, have I made a giant small box? The smallest box on the giantest footprint. Like, imagine a cake where 90% of it is frosting. And this is tough to hear. Cake. And all you want is cake.

[Suchin Pak]

I don't want that.

[Susu Vilasack]

Nobody wants that. That's diabetic shock.

[Suchin Pak]

I don't. I went in. Me and Emmy, young Emmy. When we went in, we. There wasn't.

[Susu Vilasack]

We saw the frame.

[Suchin Pak]

The bones.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah, the bones. Yeah. Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

And I don't understand what you're saying now or what has. What. I don't understand what is transpired.

[Susu Vilasack]

I don't Understand what's transpired. It's a shock to me every time I go in there when one more piece has been added, which is why I've returned every single piece of furniture but my couch, which is unreturnable.

[Suchin Pak]

And so you are making do.

[Susu Vilasack]

I said, excuse me. Hi. Have you shipped that dining room table? No, go ahead and cancel that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

There's not a. There's too much frosting here. Dining room table.

[Susu Vilasack]

I think the frosting will make room for a dining room table.

[Suchin Pak]

Sounds like Suchin Pak won't be getting a table, but perhaps a TV tray to have her meal.

[Susu Vilasack]

The ambition of the size of my furniture. I mean, I do have to applaud that woman. That woman of who you was a year ago. I'm gonna be so organized. This is gonna be ready. I'm gonna. You know what I mean? I'll be scheduled. I'm gonna load in. I'm gonna load in like a hgtv seamlessly. Yes. It's just gonna be extreme.

[Suchin Pak]

Home makeover. We only have 20 minutes before the family comes in. Let's load it in.

[Susu Vilasack]

Magnolia. I'm gonna be that Kore. And, yeah, I returned all of it because as it's being built, I'm like, oops, this is very cozy in here. And my couch is. I was looking at other couches just to see. I'm like, wow. This is a big couch. I'm like, wow. Dimensionally. Is that a word? I have ordered a couch on the outer edges of couch dimensions.

[Suchin Pak]

Like, wow.

[Susu Vilasack]

Huh.

[Suchin Pak]

Wow. Huh. Okay. So to me, it's. What I'm hearing is that it's.

[Susu Vilasack]

I'm spatially couch. Yeah. Yeah. I'm spatially blind, and I've always been that way. Like, I have a really hard time with directions, and I have a hard time imagining things. I have a hard time. You know what I mean? If I'm cooking for three, four people, I can put my brain around that. Five is like, I'm like one orange or 80. One orange or 80. It's a very strange thing. And I don't. If there's someone out there that's like me or can diagnose this, I would. Because there has to be a word for this. I can't be the only one. The way that your face is looking is.

[Suchin Pak]

Well, I would say that I'm that way, but not to that extreme.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yes, I am to the extreme of that. Where, like, my whole life.

[Suchin Pak]

My whole life. I'm never gonna. When they. They do the. How many jelly Beans are in this jar. I'm always getting that wrong. I. If there's like, someone asked me how many people are in this room? Always wrong. Like, it's never. I'm never right. Like, price is right rules need not apply because I'm gonna be so off. But what you're describing here is, I think, a different level.

[Susu Vilasack]

Ye. Am I disabled? I don't know. Like, could that be, you know, in a world where this was, like, really important and life threatening? Yeah. I would think that I would have to see an official person about this.

[Suchin Pak]

You know, for my. Should take away your license.

[Susu Vilasack]

So anywho. Yes. And I hate driving. Same reasons. Traffic. That's not. You don't want me to be in that traffic with you. I'm 18 cars behind because I'm so scared of any kind of squishing of space that I've miss. And then now with my vision and I've got all these, like, sun blockers on my car with uv. It's not. It's really bad. It's bad. And so that's me. Anywho, can we get on because.

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Susu Vilasack]

My cart has nothing to do with what we're talking about.

[Suchin Pak]

I want to move on. And we are. We will absolutely move on. But we have a question from our engineer, Tony, and I need to know the answer. How are you with the game? The classic game Tetris. Can you. Are you good at it?

[Susu Vilasack]

Don't even say Tetris. How are you with game? Question mark? That's also in there. I'm like. I don't know, like, when someone's like, oh, you flip this card, flip that card. Things are moving too fast, like, holding things. I got a game that Paul Scheer recommended, and there's like a knob on it, and you have to gauge, like, on it on a graph, like, how far along you think the other person is thinking. I was like, this is wavelength.

[Suchin Pak]

I bought that.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yes. And I have it. And we play it and love it, but we play my version of it, which has nothing to do with how the game is played, which is how I approach everything, by the way. I throw instructions into this category of spatial blindness. So diagnose that as you're sitting there.

[Suchin Pak]

Well, yeah, I've had. And medical people have to diagnose that because you'll put like, let's say a red light device that should only be on your face for five minutes and you'll. You'll. You'll finger cram that thing and shove it into your face, like, just A lead in hand for 30 minutes while you're watching something. You know, it's sizzling.

[Susu Vilasack]

It's like, I'm like, oh, I think that's my skin.

[Suchin Pak]

I think that's my eye skin. Yeah, all right.

[Susu Vilasack]

That's me. Yeah, that's me. So diagnose that. You got that right.

[Suchin Pak]

All right. Well, listeners, if you could slide into our DMs with your armchair diagnosis Savante, sue, we'd really appreciate it.

[Susu Vilasack]

Put it into ChatGPT, see what that comes out to see.

[Suchin Pak]

Just see. Just see. And send it to us. I think we've got a pretty fun show for you. It's based on speaking of DMs that we got from a listener, I think before we go to break, sue, let's do you mind reading what they said?

[Susu Vilasack]

So a lovely person sent this note. I know you guys have a lot on your plate, but I would love an episode on small businesses that busy people can use for home essentials. Like, I've been using Blueland for some cleaning products and I'm looking to wean off my Amazon dependence as a working mom of two young children. And now with the announcement of Target cutting their DEI initiatives initiative, I need to do that with them as well. This is such a smart, thoughtful note. And so we were like, how can we ignore this? And so I think we both have cultivated some ideas for this.

[Suchin Pak]

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[Susu Vilasack]

Yes, please, please claim this wonderful thing.

[Suchin Pak]

Please claim this and thank you. And thank you thank you.

[Susu Vilasack]

Because I think everybody is, you know, we're at that place now. We're, you know, a few months in and we're seeing that we're gonna have to make some changes if we're going to get through this with our sanity, our dignity and our humanity. And here on ADD to cart, we can't do a lot, but we can buy things.

[Suchin Pak]

Oh yeah.

[Susu Vilasack]

And so that's how we're going to sort of frame this. For me, I tried to stick within the home category because, you know, that's what she asked for. And it's certainly something that is all around me because Mike kind of naturally has to look outside of these, you know, normal places to buy the stuff that he needs for himself. So one of the greatest resources that we go to again and again, and it's not perfect, but it's a fantastic place to start. And I think they're so reliable is a place called mychemicalfreehouse.net and it's a website and it's this building biologist, she's a certified healthy homes inspector. She's got a ton of credentials, nine years of experience, all in this area of like building healthy homes for families. And she always has really great recs. So we'll put that link up there. So have we already talked about Branch Basics?

[Suchin Pak]

I was thinking about that. I'm not sure.

[Susu Vilasack]

Blueland is fantastic. I love Blueland. We have a lot of Blueland products, I would say some standouts. Their hand soap, I'm loving. Their dishwashing tablets, so good. And then they've got these fizzy toilet tablets that they launched not too long ago that we're obsessed with. But Branch Basics is another fantastic brand founded by an aunt, her niece and the niece's best friend. And they all had various degrees of health problems and decided, okay, enough is enough. We're taking all of these disgusting chemicals, these sulfates, chlorines, phosphates, phthalates, VOCs, endocrine disruptors, all out of their cleaning products. But the key to cleaning products, because I know is that they gotta work. And so at the end of the day, at the end of the day. And we've tried a lot of cleaning products. Some of them work, some of them don't. Branch Basics, this works. And I'm gonna start you off with the standout products from them, which is their oxygen boost. It's like a powder, I guess it's akin to Oxiclean.

[Suchin Pak]

Okay.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

For laundry.

[Susu Vilasack]

For laundry. And you scoop it in and it's. I have a 12 year old boy I don't need to say anything else.

[Suchin Pak]

He gets into stuff.

[Susu Vilasack]

You can't do laundry for a 12 year old boy. Like, it's just, it's sticky, it's crunchy, it's grainy. Every texture in, in the dictionary is in the laundry. And I don't understand where it comes from. And so it's best if you don't really dive in. And it's. I just have been racking, I've been trying so many different powders, liquids, blah, blah, blah. And until I found this, I could not get his stuff clean. And so that I stand by a hundred percent. And then they have this thing, it's a concentrate and it's basically this giant jug that you dilute in water and you can get all these gorgeous bottles and stuff if you want from them as. And you use it for everything. Countertops, tiles, you name it, floor. It's just like an all around cleaner. And I find that it really does a job and it's great. So those are some standouts there.

[Suchin Pak]

And you know, I'm looking at what it's free from. And you listed a bunch of stuff. And I've seen this list before, but rarely do I see endocrine disruptors.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah, well, they're very specific about it. Right. Like, because you can be free of a lot of things, but you can also have things on that list that are not great. It's really great when a founder had a problem that they couldn't find a solution for and then develop something. And I'm necessarily gonna lean towards clean, you know what I mean? Environmentally friendly, sustainable, all of that. Like, that's just my.

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah. Cause it's not just Mike. I know that like your son has like.

[Susu Vilasack]

Well, it's my daughter, Zoe. Yeah. She's got a lot of allergy issues and things flare her up and. And so I have to be very careful and not to the point where, you know, I'm not trying new things. And she can't be in different environments, but as much as possible, especially at this age. Listen, that's for another episode, but we're just getting into why Zoe has such hyperallergies to things. She has eczema. And a lot of it is because as an infant she was exposed to a lot of mold and chemicals. Whereas in the same household, Kai was already two. And his immune system is completely different. His numbers are like, they don't even. They're not in the same house. I'm just mindful of that and I've seen it.

[Suchin Pak]

Oh, I mean, look, that applies for me. That's interesting to hear.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah. And I see it now in these tests that are coming out that we're doing for our kids, and their results are so different, and they grew up in the same house. And the only difference is, is that Zoe was born into this house, this old house that we left. And Kai moved in when he was 2, and so he had two years of immune building, whereas she had zero. And she's got a whole host of things that we're dealing with now. So, anyway, so that's. That. Full Circle is a brand that I feel like is everywhere, but it's a husband and wife team, and I think almost every cleaning tool that we have in our house is from Full Circle.

[Suchin Pak]

I'm not familiar with. This is, like, what a great list.

[Susu Vilasack]

Great. I use their scrubbers, like, their dish scrub. You know, I mean, it's like a wand, and then there's like, a scrubber on it. And Annie came over, and she was doing the dish. She's like, this is a takarte. This is. She was like. I was like, really? A scrubber? She's like, no, this is a good scrubber. You know, when you do so many dishes all the time, like, we all do little things like that. Things that really make those monotonous, repetitive jobs easier. You absolutely notice. That's why we have so many of their products.

[Suchin Pak]

Is Annie talking about the Tenacious C cast iron brush and scrape Scraper. Correct. Is that what she was using?

[Susu Vilasack]

Yes.

[Suchin Pak]

I've not seen a specific cast iron brush and scraper.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

I mean, so this is awesome.

[Susu Vilasack]

That's. I was like, great, because I use, you know, 80% of my cooking is on cast iron. And so trying to find something to really scrub and work on, that is great. That isn't.

[Suchin Pak]

They say it scrubs away food, not your seasoning.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah. It's not like a metal chain, you know, like, it's still. But the bristles are really, really hard and stiff. And I've had that brush, I think, since we moved in and four years. Wow.

[Suchin Pak]

You know what I'm saying? And it's 8.99.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah. And I have their other dish brush, and you can just take the head off when you're done with this other brush. Just the regular dish brush, which is great. And then you keep the stick, and so that's kind of a little less waste. And then they have these, like, really simple ocean net scrubbers, and they're made out of 100% recycled fishing nets. And this is for, like, your Non stick gentle pots and pans. And they're great. And I think that part of what you'll like is that it's very beautiful all their things. But what I like is not only do they get the job done, they just last a really long time.

[Suchin Pak]

And the price is good.

[Susu Vilasack]

The price is great. This is comparable to just getting whatever Mike is going to tell you. And he's going to be upset if I don't mention he travels with this beachy, clean, heavy duty coconut scour pad set of three. Never leaves home without it. It's a strange thing to say about a grown man who travels with his own natural coconut husk scrubber. But he loves this thing. And it's not. It doesn't have that spongy side. It's just the kind of the.

[Suchin Pak]

The rougher scrubber side.

[Susu Vilasack]

So it doesn't get kind of gross and dirty as much. But man just gets the job done. And it's gentle enough to use on nonstick or your other sort of more nicer pots and pans.

[Suchin Pak]

He should use it on his heels.

[Susu Vilasack]

He's gonna need that Tenacious C. Yeah, he's gonna need full steel. Steel wool brush.

[Suchin Pak]

Like steel wool. Got it. Understood. Understood. Well, we're, you know, we're gonna be checking in on that of course, sue, but continue on. I love this. This is like such a great list. Thinking about this. I don't think we've talked about branch basics before.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah, I mean, I don't know. It's something that was recommended to him by one of his doctors and she really loved it and we started using it and I started using that oxy boost first and I was like, oh, this is totally different than how my laundry was looking before that. So yeah, the branch basis is really great. I'm going to move into pottery. We've talked about East Fork. In fact, I feel like they were partners on our show before.

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah, they were.

[Susu Vilasack]

And I'm talking about East Fork and then I'm talking about Fable. And these are two ceramic ware dishware. Beautiful, beautiful. That do not have lead because most ceramics just by the process of it traditionally has to have lead in it and then the lead leaches into your food. And so these are lead free ceramics and Fable is one that we use all the time. That's our dinnerware, Eastfork. We have a ton of their stuff. That's our serving warehouse. It's just they're both really fantastic. East Fork is made in Asheville and Atlanta. Both of these companies. Listen, they're not Cheap, but you're going to have them forever. And you know that when you put hot things in their soup bowls that you're not potentially leaching small amounts of lead. And that's worth it to me.

[Suchin Pak]

You know, I just. I'm being honest. You've never thought about this?

[Susu Vilasack]

No. And I never thought about it till Mike got sick. And this was one of the things that his doctors had told him that he needed to check because he was having weird levels of chemicals show up and we couldn't figure out where it was coming from.

[Suchin Pak]

Wow. Okay.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

Well. Huh. Okay. I'm gonna think long and hard about this and perhaps the plates that we've had since we were married, you know, they've last this long, but maybe it's time for a change.

[Susu Vilasack]

And if you want to start small and you're like, this is an investment and I'm building towards it or whatever, start off with the stuff that is carrying the hot liquids in there. Start off with the mud.

[Suchin Pak]

That's a good.

[Susu Vilasack]

Start off with the soup bowls. You know, don't worry so much about the plates that you put salads on and that sort of thing. But like, listen, I'm not a scientist, but this is logically.

[Suchin Pak]

Huh? You're not.

[Susu Vilasack]

Let's end this. Let's end. Stop. Stop recording. Stop record. But that's where to me, I feel like that's kind of where if you wanted to slowly make this transition because it is an investment, you know, all of this stuff is going to be a little bit pricier. And I think that that's what our listener was asking for. And I tried to put things on here that weren't break the bank, but you know.

[Suchin Pak]

Well, let's talk about. We made a note about East Fork and their workforce. I'd love for you to bring that up because I think that's also in this conversation.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah. So, you know, it's a hundred plus employees here in America and they all make at least $22 an hour and they're planning on raising their minimum wage and trying to get to a place to making sure that everyone is making a living wage. So these kinds of things matter when we're talking about what we're talking about, which is what are the alternatives to the death stars? You know, like what are the alternatives to doom and gloom? There's so many companies out there that have like minded values and share that with great products. So it's up to us to try to, you know, replace some of this stuff and tell each other about these things.

[Suchin Pak]

No, this is so good and so fascinating. I just also want to throw. Because our listener, you know, brought up trying to wean off of Amazon. And the same with Target. Former guest Jessica Gow's favorite place, her home away from home. You guys know me as a Cusco executive member and, you know, she said she was a mom of two kids that like, to me, like, there's a lot of things that you can get and you can feel great, double down and align with your values. Shopping there.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah. And not break the bank. So there are. There are places. And we've talked about this before in other episodes. This shit matters because it's, you know, as we move into the next four years, I don't think any act of rebellion is small. And I think collectively it becomes something different. And so I just think this stuff is really important. I'm glad that this listener brought our attention to this. So I've got three more things and then. And then I want to get to your list. And these are all for the home. Again, I've talked about her before. Virginia Sinn. I have so much of her pottery, but it's pottery for the home. So she's a Brooklyn based multidisciplinary designer. Her studio's in Greenpoint in Brooklyn. And I have everything. I have her coat racks, I have her vertical coat racks. I think I've bought you stuff from her one year. It's just beautiful stuff, you know, that you're supporting artists that are just putting out quality, gorgeous things. And so I just, I love her and those simple little touches in a home, I think make it function really nicely. She's got like, great little hooks for towels and jackets and that sort of thing. So that's.

[Suchin Pak]

I put on my Christmas list this year and received it from Scott, a gorgeous ceramic cookbook holder that I absolutely love. So she's so talented. And it's just. They're pieces of art.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah, they're pieces of art. Like, she has this gorgeous fruit bowl. You don't need to have fruit in it. Just put it on that table. Done. Art charge admission. It's a modern art gallery, which is.

[Suchin Pak]

Eventually what you will be doing for your she shed. I mean, you gotta make this money back somehow.

[Susu Vilasack]

Oh, I'm never making that money back. Anyhoo, years ago I talked about this and I'm still obsessed with this furniture company. You have to see this. It's called Russet R U S S E T. Okay. And it's founded in New York. They're now based in la and they really understand what it means to make furniture for small spaces, but also what it means to make furniture for people that have decision fatigue. Is that not my brand of furniture?

[Suchin Pak]

It is your brand. It is your. Yes, that's. This is for you.

[Susu Vilasack]

Okay. Yes. So I have two of these. They call them the Russet Sidekick. They're side tables. Okay. They come flat. Coo. These are, by the way, they're gorgeous.

[Suchin Pak]

Gorgeous.

[Susu Vilasack]

$98. Okay.

[Suchin Pak]

Wow.

[Susu Vilasack]

All wood. They come flat. And then they come with this rubber mallet. And you just kind of put the pieces together. No screws.

[Suchin Pak]

Oh, shit. I love it.

[Susu Vilasack]

No screws. It's all through, like, tension and weight and just so simple.

[Suchin Pak]

Oh, my God. This is sexy.

[Susu Vilasack]

Gorgeous. And it's so fun. They're beautiful. We've had this four years. It can't not looks brand new. So we have two of these, and I. I'm going to be ordering the desk called the architect for 398.

[Suchin Pak]

And you measured?

[Susu Vilasack]

Oh, yeah, I did. Because the desk I ordered before.

[Suchin Pak]

Okay. All right.

[Susu Vilasack]

It's too big. And look at this thing. Look at this desk. It's gorgeous.

[Suchin Pak]

It's like Japanese. Absolutely gorgeous.

[Susu Vilasack]

Swedish minimalism. They only have three stains. They've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 products. That's it.

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah.

[Susu Vilasack]

There's no screws. There's no instructions. I mean, I'm sure there are instructions, but you get what I mean. You have no tools necessary.

[Suchin Pak]

It doesn't matter. That doesn't matter. If there was instructions for you. What have we already established? But that goes with the packaging. It gets tossed.

[Susu Vilasack]

You hammer it with this rubber mallet.

[Suchin Pak]

I mean, if this isn't the best endorsement for a person who just refuses to look at directions, she's going to be able to put this together.

[Susu Vilasack]

Who? They gotta start paying me money.

[Suchin Pak]

Should we start calling her Russet?

[Susu Vilasack]

What is happening here? Is my phone line open? Like, I'm sure they've been calling because it's my place. I cannot endorse this furniture company enough. And you want foolproof, easy furniture that your kids can kick around, that your dog can vomit on, and you just wipe it clean? This is it.

[Suchin Pak]

Hey, Sue.

[Susu Vilasack]

What? They sell sweatpants and tote bags. I'm in sweatpants. Dude, I'm so in. Like, I'm gonna stock them and get us some kind of discount code, but, you know, they're a small business we gotta support. By the way, none of these have been given to me. I've bought full price, so that's that.

[Suchin Pak]

I. I'm looking For a place for the sidekick. Because I love it so much.

[Susu Vilasack]

So cute, right?

[Suchin Pak]

No, it's beautiful.

[Susu Vilasack]

It's beautiful. It's beautiful furniture. Again, they don't have a catalog of pages and pages. Just a few things done perfectly right that you absolutely need. That's it in three stains, like light, medium, dark. And then finally. I've talked about this before, but I thought is worth mentioning again for our listener because it's a game changer for us. They're called block blue light. We have their bulbs, which, if you remember, this bulb basically has three settings, and you just turn it on and off to get to one setting, on and off to get to the second. And what it is, is full spectrum light. One with, like, less blue light, and then one with zero blue light. So it mimics the day as the sun is setting. And it's just great. I keep seeing these things about, like, oh, how do you know you're at a, you know, fancy person's house. They've got no overhead lighting, blah, blah, blah. You know, they're so into this lighting, this dark lighting. I've been living in this cave for years, and these bulbs, you're like, I've been here. I've been here. This technology has moved on. But this is a great kind of thing for everyone to use because you can have three bulbs in one. And if you want low light, ambient lighting, if you care about blue light, because it doesn't matter. The lighting is just very beautiful. It's like a warm light. This is it. And randomly, we ordered so many bulbs. This last time for my. She shed that they sent these sleeping silicone earplugs. Now, I don't know why they're the perfect earplugs. They have this weird thing where it's a flap that makes it flat. It's almost like a hinge, like a little handle, and it goes flat so that you can put, like. I, you know, I like to put that crown pillow on my head and when I have a earplug in it sometimes can, like, mess with it and, like, move it around. But this is totally flat. Like, it's flush to your ear. It's hard to explain, but just hot tip. Anyway, that's there. Love it.

[Suchin Pak]

And it's part of your coffin ritual.

[Susu Vilasack]

Greek. Good night, my lovelies.

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah, we're going to have to ask Tony for, like, sound effects at any time. She has, like, you know, out of my coffin. Yeah, it's a creak, creak. And whenever she has one of her picks, Sue's pics are always creak things that you'll take to the coffin.

[Susu Vilasack]

That's a good category.

[Suchin Pak]

It's a great category. Let's take another break and we'll be right back with me talking about in these uncertain times, these tumultuous times, what to do for the love of recreational shopping.

[Susu Vilasack]

Ooh.

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[Susu Vilasack]

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[Suchin Pak]

And we're back on Add to cart. Let's get into my cart. So this is a like kind of going a little away from what our listener was requesting, but I Thought, hey, in the spirit of. Because I too am pulling way the F back on purchasing from sort of these big box corporate anti DEI businesses. I still like to shop. That's why we have this podcast. So again, guys, strategies.

[Susu Vilasack]

Soldier on.

[Suchin Pak]

We're soldiering on. So I just have a handful of things to talk about. Sue, we've talked about this before. The real, real, the favorite in game. And that's just when I just want to be winding down and I just want to be looking at things and I'm favoriting things. I'm also like tending to it like it's a garden. Oh, this thing that I favorited. It sold well. Gotta unfavor that. Gotta unfavor that. Am I buying that much?

[Susu Vilasack]

No. The real world is my favorite game.

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah, that's a game.

[Susu Vilasack]

For some reason, my spatial blindness, it doesn't affect it.

[Suchin Pak]

Well, yeah, because you're not actually fully adding to cart.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah. But it's still fun.

[Suchin Pak]

You're not using spatial skills.

[Susu Vilasack]

You're right.

[Suchin Pak]

At all.

[Susu Vilasack]

You're right. Because my cart is endless. Endless.

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah. But this is sort of a side to the side, Sue. I've just. I've lost my taste for acquiring new luxury goods. And this is from a person who. I have collections, you know, that I've seen. I've got good stuff. But I am. I'm so bored and uninterested in any of the new. New.

[Susu Vilasack]

It's the hunt. The hunt is what I crave. Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

You know, I'm very materialistic and shallow and I look at this stuff and I'm like, it's not worth it.

[Susu Vilasack]

Not at full price. Not brand new.

[Suchin Pak]

No. And. And with the knowledge that I'm sure we're well aware of, like, it came out about how, you know, like, the whole point of buying these luxury goods was that it was bespoke and with the highest quality. And then Dior, you find out they're using sweatshops and they're just. It's just up charging for the name and it's like, fudge you.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

Actually, fuck you.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

I'm not a chump. And you're right. If I'm going to. If I was in the mood and for some time I was simply just like going on ebay for like stuff from Tokyo. From Japan.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

Like, that's where I was looking at. But even then I'm like, I'm just not. I feel different, Sue. I feel different about adding to cart.

[Susu Vilasack]

I don't disagree with you.

[Suchin Pak]

I'm from Minnesota. Target is a Minnesota Brand and Sue, I removed it. I removed from Cart and I removed from my phone the app.

[Susu Vilasack]

Ooh, you broke up with the app?

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah, I broke up with the app.

[Susu Vilasack]

Oh, God.

[Suchin Pak]

I'm like being serious about this, you know. Now if I'm sorry to say this or I'm not sorry. If Target were to want to partner with ADD to Cart, I mean that would, that would be fair.

[Susu Vilasack]

Some way of getting back to the DEI initiative.

[Suchin Pak]

There would be at least two ways. Yeah, you know, well, Tony's POC too, so three ways. If you want to make things right by partnering with Add to Cart, you know, look again. Our DMs be open in the meanwhile part of it. So you have to agree. Same thing with the RealReal. It's just like scrolling and looking for shit. Like that's fun. Like. Yeah, so I'm on Etsy. You know, I'm looking at Etsy if there's like gifts that need to be had. While the fires were burning, I was like, you know what, let me just look at like vintage jewelry on Etsy. And what I'm like zeroing in on in terms of vintage jewelry is like the 80s.

[Susu Vilasack]

I just want like 80s.

[Suchin Pak]

Like I'm wearing something that I got right now. Oh, it's costume jewelry. It's 80s necklace from Love Tracy Burton. It's little longer than a choker and it's heart shaped and it's just given.

[Susu Vilasack]

And it's given. T H I C C. It's gold.

[Suchin Pak]

I think right now, sue and I listeners, please, if you have recommendations for, for any of these categories that we're talking about, please share. Let us be a community in this way. But I'm looking at like statement 80s necklaces. I'm also like, I'm into a brooch, Sue. I'm into a brooch and that I can go out of the 80s if it's something special like that. But again, I think those brooches are still statement though if they're coming in different.

[Susu Vilasack]

I mean if this is an anti coded and behavior from statement necklaces to.

[Suchin Pak]

Brooches to brooch, is it brooch or brooch?

[Susu Vilasack]

It's a brooch, but I'm just saying.

[Suchin Pak]

But it be brute.

[Susu Vilasack]

I love a brooch. Oh, this necklace. We're fully in our, you know, Japanese gallery era.

[Suchin Pak]

I know, I was going to say what's missing? What captains like what? Because I'm, you know that I'm already playing mahjong. So it's like, yeah, that's what's missing.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah, like A bold brooch, you know, that says, here I am. I am liberated from the male gaze. I'm reading that says, from the bondage of your peni. Yeah, that's. That's what these, this journey says.

[Suchin Pak]

And I'm again favoriting things, waiting for things to go on sale. Maybe if they are on sale, maybe I get it, maybe I don't. Because I have a lot of shit, Sue. That's the other piece. I'm like, I'm interested in either getting rid of what I have now or using what I have. Like, that's my main. Anything new. I'm really. I'm really looking at it. And this is again, you know me. You know, I'm trigger happy. You know that I. If I want it, I get it.

[Susu Vilasack]

It's weird because we're on wavelength and we haven't talked about this.

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah, yeah.

[Susu Vilasack]

I just, I can't. And like, I've alluded to this about, like, just moving into my new studio and thinking about what I have to pack and unpack. I'm realizing that just how much shit I have and how much should I have for the person that does not live that way anymore, you know?

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah, yeah, I know. I know. The other things on Etsy, as mentioned, for gifts, I got these bright color beads. Name necklace for my nanny's daughter's B day. Got her name on it. It's from Blue Olive Designs. Just a classic, you know, bright color beads, colorful. We've seen this a bunch. But she's local in California. I got it so quick, just in time. I was really on the edge of, like, I might not give this on time for her, but I did. And then what I'm considering that related for my dogs is from a place called Willador, the Willador Collar Company. If you hit that link, sue, again, this is from Etsy. These are collars for dogs, and they.

[Susu Vilasack]

Are beaded collars with their names.

[Suchin Pak]

Beaded collars with their names on it. Now, I don't believe that you are going to be hooking a leash to these. Like, this is, like, this is where you're living a life of layering necklaces on your dog.

[Susu Vilasack]

This is just for the Runway.

[Suchin Pak]

It's just for the Runway. It's just for the nap vibe and.

[Susu Vilasack]

The mood and the kids.

[Suchin Pak]

It is adorable. Friendship bracelet, pet collar.

[Susu Vilasack]

Oh, my gosh. And if you want matching ones.

[Suchin Pak]

That's right. And you know, I do know that your daughter's birthday is coming up. So, you know, I'm just saying. I know.

[Susu Vilasack]

I've Already, it's enough.

[Suchin Pak]

All the life drained from her.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah, how about that?

[Suchin Pak]

Drained from her.

[Susu Vilasack]

Just all my life in a mason jar. How about that for your birthday?

[Suchin Pak]

How about that? How about that? Sip on that, Sip on that sweet tea. And the last thing that I kind of want to describe was this like Saturday afternoon. This was just like probably a couple of hours in this time, in this moment, a renewed love for thrifting. I've relied so much on online shopping and so like let me get, let me hit these racks again. Let me go back to Burbank and hit a few of my old spots. So just me and Emmy, we did a small section on Magnolia. Have you ever shopped? There's just like a stretch of. Just like a bunch of cute little vintage shops. Yeah. First we went to Goodwill. We got her some three dollar sunglasses. This girl loves sunglasses. She loves them. She's very cool. She's cooler than I am.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

My sister Alyssa taught her this pose which is like she puts on the glasses, she makes two peace signs like this and goes, cool girl. Cool girl. And then she goes, take my picture. Cool girl. She's a bunny. Photos. She is, she is. And then there's this place too that I think you would enjoy or maybe you would more enjoy the idea of it. But it's called, it's a wrap. And so it's kind of a bit of a. An institution because they purchase actual wardrobe and props for movie and TV sets. So you go in there and it's definitely. You are. When we talk about like the warrior shopping of hitting the racks. Like you're hitting racks, there's like tons of stuff. Things are like on top of one another. But that's where you like, you're hunting your gems.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah, yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

But then you'll go in there and it'll be like, you know, this is. These are from er. It's just like random stuff. And I didn't even get anything there, but I hadn't been there in probably a decade plus, so it was just like a good thing to like for em to just kind of like revert burning energy, you know, going up the stairs, going in between the. Where are you? Emmy, right? Yeah.

[Susu Vilasack]

Oh, she's.

[Suchin Pak]

You're. You're hiding behind the vintage dresses.

[Susu Vilasack]

Burning hours.

[Suchin Pak]

Burning.

[Susu Vilasack]

Where can we burn hours?

[Suchin Pak]

Where can we burn hours? And then there's this, a restaurant called Pinocchio Restaurant in the. It's in the Monte Carlo deli. It's like unfancy Italy basically. But this is a restaurant that's Been there, I don't know, since the 70s. You go there and you feel like you've entered, like, a decade gone by. You know, it's just very kitschy and old school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was open in 1971, so it's a very fast service. Italian restaurant. We got the lasagna, and then one half of it is the restaurant, and then the other half is like a deli where you can just Italian goods and Italian meats and, like, all these, like, imports. So if you're in Burbank, it's a. It's a kind of like a must stop. So we had lunch there, and then we ended the day at Play Clothes Vintage, which is one of my favorite shops, just because. So it's just when you go in there, it's just so essential, aesthetically pleasing. It's almost like the set of a vintage shop.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

You know, you're, like, walking into a set in a way. And, you know, there was a lot of danger in that because there were, you know, right when you enter, there are a lot of things that a toddler can break.

[Susu Vilasack]

Right.

[Suchin Pak]

When you enter, there's, like, a lot of home goods with mannequins and. And she is, again, two and a half. Almost two and a half years old.

[Susu Vilasack]

She likes to touch things. Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

And so, in a way, for me, it was absolutely sort of like, workout as well. There's so many times that, like, I stop things from falling onto the ground with my foot, like, the reflexes that are needed to sort of, you know, navigate really tight aisles.

[Susu Vilasack]

As she's like.

[Suchin Pak]

She's just like, grab, grab, grab.

[Susu Vilasack]

Picture, please.

[Suchin Pak]

Barreling through.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah. Paparazzi. Paparazzi. Yeah.

[Suchin Pak]

It is just, like, a really fun shop. And it's like, you know, and that's what I'm saying. Like, recreational. Like, what you kind of were talking about before. These were basics. We're getting basics, necessities that we need. This is where I'm just, like, for play, like, for fun and exploring locally. And, like, that's kind of like the theme of my cart. And so I got Emmy. It ended up this way, like, two types of crowns. And they weren't, like, really expensive, but, like, I'm. It's just, you know, it's a headband with, like, fake silk flowers on it, you know, just, like, really cute. It fits her perfectly. Like a little flower crown, A little cute little, like, crystal tiara, because she is in her frozen era. See how there's that little. Little, like, comb in it, and you just, like, Kind of slip it in like this. And the salesperson was like, oh, are you guys gonna go to a fairy party? And I was like, no. But like, yes. And our house, look, our house is that basically.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yeah. Woodland fairy, Gilded wooden fairy.

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah, exactly. Like that's the vibe we're going for, the spirit that we're bringing forth.

[Susu Vilasack]

Oh, this is great. I like this also as an answer to our listener, which is that trying to figure out ways to explore local spots with new, fresh eyes.

[Suchin Pak]

Yep.

[Susu Vilasack]

You know, get back in there, get into the rocks.

[Suchin Pak]

That's right. A little joy, a little protest.

[Susu Vilasack]

When you were, you know, in high school, school or, you know, middle school and your, your auntie dragged you to. There's something there that's just kind of nostalgic and it's a little fuck you to what's going on out there. And that's, that's the, that's the mustard on that sandwich.

[Suchin Pak]

Yeah. And that's our episode. Please, listeners, let us know the big box slash corporate alternatives you are adding to cart. We want to know. We want your tips.

[Susu Vilasack]

Yes.

[Suchin Pak]

And your tricks as well.

[Susu Vilasack]

Make sure you're following us on IG @ Add to Cart Pod. We'll put our pictures and videos there and we'll see you next time.

[Suchin Pak]

Bye Bye.

[Susu Vilasack]

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