The Best of Add to Cart: Zouk’s Cubes CUBED (International Travel)

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Add to Cart with Kulap Vilaysack & SuChin Pak

Episode: The Best of Add to Cart: Zouk’s Cubes CUBED (International Travel)

Date: August 26, 2025
Guests: Jason Mantzoukas (guest host, Zouk’s Cubes takeover), Kulap Vilaysack, SuChin Pak
Key Theme: The zen and art (and neuroses) of packing for international travel – the gospel according to cubes, pouches, bins, and pouches once more

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Episode Overview

In this lively, irreverent, and deeply tactile edition, comedian/actor/podcast king Jason Mantzoukas takes over “Add to Cart” for the third time with “Zooks Cubes Cubed: International Edition.” SuChin and Kulap (mostly SuChin for this episode) join Jason in a deep dive on the micro-engineering of packing for international travel: packing cubes, bags, pouches, gear, and philosophical divides about what makes for emotionally and practically successful international travel prep. Packing as personality, as personal satisfaction, and as pure pleasure.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Packing Philosophy: No Checked Bags, Maximum Mobility

• Jason’s Rule: For almost all travel (excluding specialized trips like skiing), Jason aims to never check a bag.
  • “My goal is always check, no bags. Period.” (04:38, Jason)
  • For solo or light travel: backpack + roller carry-on, all meticulously packed and cubed.
• Family Travel Reality (SuChin): With kids, checked bags become inevitable, especially on long international trips.
  • “I go there with no checked bags and I come back with four checked bags.” (05:43, SuChin)
• Packable/Expandable Bags: Both endorse bringing lightweight, packable totes or duffels (Matador, Peak Design, Hyperlite) for the inevitable shopping at your destination.
  • “It’s so much better than buying bags there… when you’re on the road, if you’re like, I gotta buy something to ship stuff home, you end up with something crappy that falls apart.” (06:49, Jason)

2. Packing Rituals & the Joy of Bins, Cubes, and Piles

• Phased Packing: SuChin packs in phases over months—buying, testing, then segregating into “hefty garbage bags,” eventually making the final cut.
  • “I start to buy things, test things, and squirrel things away way in advance. Because once it goes into the hefty garbage bag and needs to be duct taped, it’s been vetted.” (09:33, SuChin)
• Jason’s Ritual: Packing begins with “the tarp” at home: lay everything out, hone selections, then cube up.
  • “I sent you a picture of all my cubes on a tarp… once I get it down to only what I’m going to bring, that stuff goes on the tarp. So now I’m only cubing and packing what’s on the tarp.” (11:13, Jason)
• Pouches & Bins System: Jason has multiple labeled bins at home (“pouches,” “miscellaneous,” “tarp,” etc.) to store and organize bag accessories, backup towels, and more.
  • “This is one of, like, ten bins of different things… the tarp lives in one of the bins.” (13:32, Jason)

3. Gearhead Corner: Specific Picks and Systems

• Jason’s Boasts:
  • Roller bag: Rimowa Cabin Plus (hard shell).
    • “I’m on the road a tremendous amount… I bought an expensive, burly ass suitcase that I can beat up and it will not fall apart.” (15:20, Jason)
  • Backpack: Tom Bihn Shadow Guide (“35 liters, can hold a lot”), or Tom Bihn Techonaut, or Evergoods Travel Bag.
  • Packing Cubes: Evergoods & Matador are favorites; cubes are color-coded by contents, packed Tetris-style.
  • Packable Bags: Hyperlite tote (made of waterproof Dyneema), other Matador duffels.
  • Tech pouch: Evergoods small pouch for gadgets.
  • Tarp: To set up a non-contaminated “packing zone” at home.
• Redundancy: Always packs backups (flashlights, towels, bags, etc.)
  • “One is zero, two is one, three is two.” (45:18, Jason)

4. Packing Styles: Methodical vs. Chaotic (or ‘Finger Shoving’)

• Jason: Everything in cubes, everything puzzle-pieced with “nothing loose.”
  • “All my underwear, my sleep shorts, my T-shirts, they go in one Evergoods zippered packing cube… I operate out of the cubes.” (19:24, Jason)
• SuChin: Aspirational order undone by last-minute additions (“finger shoving”).
  • “Sometimes a bag starts off where rolling works and then I add something and now suddenly I can only lay things down flat… there’s always something last minute that I’m not going to unroll and reorganize everything, it’s just going to have to be jammed, finger jammed into the edges.” (59:27, SuChin)
• Playful shaming from Jason:
  • “Suchin, respectfully, that’s madness.” (57:47, Jason)

5. Laundry and Item Counts on the Road

• Underwear & Socks:
  • Jason brings only 5-6 pairs for three weeks, sends them to hotel laundry or hand-washes with a paracord clothesline. (25:55, Jason)
  • SuChin brings way, way more (up to 20 for a 10-day trip), but often just buys new ones abroad (“something has happened, I miscalculated”).
• Laundry Rituals: SuChin always washes underwear before wearing, Jason doesn’t, Kulap admits she just puts things on as-is.
  • “Guys, I don’t wash anything. I just put it on and then I wash it after.” – Kulap (30:20)

6. Personal Comfort: Pillows, Bean Bags, and the Age of Preferences

• Both Jason and SuChin bring or buy specific pillows filled with barley or bean husks for sleep comfort.
  • “I just, this trip was like, I’m dangerously close to… just buying the pillow I know I like, sending it there, sleeping on it and letting them throw it away… I cannot do this shit anymore.” (54:23, Jason)

7. Travel Hygiene and In-Flight Survival Strategies

• Plane Rituals: Jason unpacks a tote-within-a-bag (“Tom Bihn tote”) with everything needed for the flight—noise-canceling headphones, iPad, chargers—at his seat, stowing everything else away.
  • “I pull just this tote with everything I need for the plane ride, put it on the seat, put my backpack up above… hang my tote bag off of the seat in front of me.” (37:24, Jason)
• Sanitization: Wipes down everything, refuses to eat food prepared on planes for sanitation reasons.
  • “You know, guess what? I don’t want food prepared less than 4ft from a toilet… Every galley in every airplane would get an F from the health department just by proximity.” (38:31, Jason)

8. Packing with a Partner – Must Philosophies Align?

• Jason is tolerant if partner has their own system, unless their disorganization wastes trip time for errands:
  • “If it becomes a situation where it’s like, ‘I don’t have [item], I need to go to a store’… now I’m annoyed, now we’re wasting travel time doing errands. This should have been figured out.” (48:11, Jason)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“You can load them up like burros… you can use them as pack beasts.”
—Jason, on traveling with older kids (05:42)

“Buying cheap bags, nothing makes me more furious. Nothing.”
—Jason (07:21)

“People are gross. They’ll try things on in the store without underwear on or whatever and then put it right back.”
—Suchin, on why she always washes underwear bought abroad (30:35)

“What kind of suitcase?” “I don’t even know. It’s a soft kind of suitcase. It’s a great suitcase.” —Jason & SuChin, on her laissez-faire packing choices (61:45)

“The juice of life is chaos.”
—SuChin, on her freewheeling packing style (61:31)

“I find real pleasure in… gotten it all in there. And… blackout in Telluride… I had in my possession seven flashlights.” —Jason, gleeful about redundancy (51:16)

“I could finger cram your panties into a pouch, Suchin. I could finger cram your panties into a pouch.”
—Jason (28:28)

“That neckerchief should have a home… you should know where to get neckerchiefs.” —Jason’s horror at SuChin’s last-minute packing (57:57)

“I make love to my suitcase every chance I get.” —SuChin (61:33)

“If I pulled something out that I hadn’t worn in a very long time, would I wash it before wearing it? Maybe, maybe. But probably not always. Only if it was like… no. Because I feel like if it’s put away right, it’s clean. But I will not wear anything—if I am going to put on clean underwear fresh from a shower and the clean underwear falls on the ground, I will not put it on. It’s dirty now.”
—Jason (32:41)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 03:53 Zooks Cubes takeover begins: “Best cubes, pouches, packs, and gear for travel.”
• 06:09 The value of packable totes and buying extra bags at destination.
• 11:13 “Tarp talk”—Jason’s home packing system starts.
• 15:20 Gear specifics: Rimowa, Tom Bihn, Evergoods.
• 25:19 How many underwear/socks to bring? Laundry strategies.
• 37:24 Jason’s plane organization hack (tote at seat, bags stowed).
• 38:31 Why Jason refuses airline food.
• 45:18 Redundancy philosophy: “One is zero, two is one, three is two.”
• 51:16 Telluride blackout—Jason’s packing vindicated (“I had seven flashlights”).
• 54:13 The pillow/barley beanbag saga.
• 57:47 Jason’s respectful condemnation: “That’s madness.”
• 61:31 The juice of life is the chaos of travel packing.
• 62:11 Did SuChin become a convert to cubes?

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Tone and Language

• Lively, playful, sometimes ribald (“finger shoving,” “finger cramming panties in a pouch,” pillow confessionals)
• Deeply obsessive, but always loving: packing as self-expression, satisfaction—even sensual pleasure
• Geeking out over gear, but warm in friendship—good-natured shaming, but ultimately mutual admiration for loving whatever works for you

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Takeaways

• There’s no single way to pack “correctly”—it’s about joy and comfort (psychological and physical).
• If you crave order and control, cubes and pouches offer bliss and backup; if you thrive on chaos, let your suitcase become a soup of secret snacks and last-minute scarves.
• Pack for your own pleasure; appreciate or at least tolerate your travel partners’ neuroses.
• And, most importantly—always, always, consider pillow logistics.

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Further Resources

• Check out all the bags, cubes, and pouches discussed on their Instagram: @addtocartpod
• Listen ad-free and catch bonus content on Lemonada Premium.

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Endnote

Cube responsibly. And remember: “You’ve been cubed.”

Transcript

[Narrator/Host]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

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[Soojin Park]

Wait. Welcome to another episode of Add to Cart, the show about what we buy and buy into and what that says about who we are. I'm your auntie, Cool Opulai Sock. And I am your other delighted auntie, Soojin Park. We've got a.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Welcome to episode two of Zooks Cubes. I'm Jason Mantzoukas. I'm your host. This is a Zooks Cubes takeover of Add to Cart. I'm here with my co hosts Coolop and Suchin, and we're gonna break down all the best cubes, pouches, packs and gear for travel. Hit em with the theme song.

[Soojin Park]

Zoox Cubes. Zook's Cubes. Zook's Cubes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Zook's Cubes.

[Soojin Park]

Zook's Cub. Zooks Cubes. Zooks Cubes. Is his volume turned up higher than ours? That's his ability.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Am I coming in too hot?

[Soojin Park]

No, I just want to know that, like, wow, when we're in a room together, that's just his volume, right? Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh no. I'm loud. I'm too loud. I'm not Jessica St. Clair loud. I'm not stupid. Straining audio equipment. I'm not pushing audio equipment to its limits. I'm not saying Clair loud. But I can be loud. I'm loud.

[Soojin Park]

St. Clair under the bus. We're gonna do a body count. We're gonna do a Muddleberry Civil War. Jason, it's great to have you on the show for a third time.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thrilled to be here.

[Soojin Park]

Let's call this episode Zooks Cubes Cubed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, okay. Oh, so this is episode three, I guess. I guess I wasn't. I wasn't counting the live episode, but yes, this is episode three.

[Soojin Park]

Oh, we gotta count that live episode.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Then I'm kinda. So then my. So then my intro was wrong because I think I said episode two.

[Soojin Park]

No, but I see your math. Your math. I understand it because that was a live show. This is now we're in a totally different.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Exactly. It was just a segment. It was a segment in a different. In one of your live shows. Not a takeover.

[Soojin Park]

That's right. Well, at one point I sat in the crowd. But we don't have to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

We don't have to go where the hosts should sit. When I'm on the show, I was on the ground.

[Soojin Park]

And we are. This is Zoox Cubes Cubed international edition. And I gave you and suchin something to think about. Jason, you are freshly back from the. How did this get make tour all over the uk?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, I just did three weeks in London and Scotland and Ireland and it was fantastic. Incredible. You know, live shows, hanging out. It was a blast. Really fantastic. And boy, I spent a full week packing. Oh, wow. Just getting it together.

[Soojin Park]

Oh, okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Because here's my goal. My goal is. My goal is always check, no bags, period.

[Soojin Park]

Yeah. Three week trip. No bags checked. Check, no bags.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Check, no bags. Now there are caveats to that, such as if I was taking a trip that if I like was going on a ski trip, I would have to check a bag because I would have more specific gear for that trip or, you know, something like that. But if I'm doing like this, just traveling, my goal is backpack, roller, suitcase, that's a carry on size and that's it. My list is geared towards, or my picks are geared towards not checking a bag.

[Soojin Park]

I love that. I love that Sujin is going to South Korea with her family in the summer. That's right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Got it.

[Soojin Park]

Even if you're. If you're going so truly international. Yeah, very international. You got kids, of course you're checking bags, right? I mean, that's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, you got. Feels like you got it.

[Soojin Park]

You got it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, how. Well, how old?

[Soojin Park]

Yeah, yeah, they're 9 and 11.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. So they can carry Quite a. They can carry quite a lot of weight.

[Soojin Park]

Yes. They're carrying their own weight.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know, you can. You can load them up like burrows. You can. Yes, yes. You can use them as pack beasts.

[Soojin Park]

That's right. Let's say they will be carrying some of mama's stuff. Yeah. But I also, when I think about international travel, Jason, I don't know if you subscribe to this philosophy. I go there with no checked bags and I come back with four checked bags.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, so great. I love that. And interestingly, some of my picks are packable tote bags and bags that are, you know, duffel bags that, like, are this small. Here's a Peak designs one, but this unfolds into a. A big bag. Or, you know, Matador makes a great. The company. Matador makes a bunch of packable things, like a great duffel bag that's like, packs down to nothing, but you can exactly fill it full of stuff that you bought there and then. Check that. Check that.

[Soojin Park]

Okay. Okay, good. Listen, listen, we're starting off strong. This is amazing. You and I, we've got an agreement here.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's so much better than buying bags there. Unless you're gonna go to, like a North Face or a Patagonia and buy something that's like a burly, sturdy bag. I feel like you end up with, like, if. When you're on the road, if you're like, I gotta buy something to ship stuff home or to check it back, and then you're buying, like, something crappy that falls apart.

[Soojin Park]

Crappy and was expensive. I mean, I feel that. That. Jason, for someone who curates bags and smaller containers, that's a nightmare for you. Your goal is to avoid that at all costs.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, buying cheap bags, nothing makes me more furious. Nothing.

[Soojin Park]

Has it ever happened?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm sure it has.

[Soojin Park]

Although I can't remember a time I can't imagine. I can't imagine a situation was so desperate that you got yourself into one.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Of them that bought some shitty, you know, bullshit bag. Yeah, no. I travel with so many redundancies and backups, I'm hard pressed to arrive someplace and be like, oh, I wish I had a big, lightweight tote bag that I could just start jamming stuff into. Because I'm almost always.

[Soojin Park]

Now he's there. He is. He's bringing it right onto the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This Hyper Light design here. This Hyperlite. Hyperlite's a company that makes, like, ultra lightweight camping gear and. But they're great for packing for trips because this is like, this is nothing. This is like smaller Than a. Smaller than a paperback book. Right. But I've got it all folded up. But it's a tote bag.

[Soojin Park]

How big is that? Oh, it's a tote bag. Oh, that's nice.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's a big, giant tote bag, you know, that's like this, this like, you know, huge.

[Soojin Park]

Do we got a silver lining in there, Jay? What's that, Lin?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's this Dyneema. This, this material. This sailcloth kind of. Dyneema.

[Soojin Park]

Oh, Dyneema. I don't know her.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, this is like a waterproof, lightweight, lightweight material that like all that Hyperlite uses for a lot of their stuff. It's super burly and waterproof, but very, very lightweight. But it does. It makes this crinkly. Makes this crinkly.

[Soojin Park]

The listener. That's asmr.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's a pack. It's a packable bag. It's a. It's just a bag and it's Dyneema. Okay, sorry, go ahead.

[Soojin Park]

Jason, you said you spent a week packing for a three week trip. So, Su Jin, how. When will you start packing?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

When will you. When will you start putting stuff into hefty bags and duct taping them shut?

[Soojin Park]

Well, I'm so glad you asked, both of you, and I'm so glad you're open to my process. That's what I feel most of all. So welcomed and just an openness, really. But, you know, to answer that question on this pod, because this is the only pod in the entire universe that could warrant a long answer to this simple question, is that, I mean, I tend to pack in phases. Okay. And it tends to happen for an international trip like this months in advance. Okay. I start to buy things, test things, and squirrel things away way in advance. Because once it goes into the hefty garbage bag and needs to be duct taped. It's been vetted. I know you think that I am an insane, chaotic person, and I am. But what goes in my bag, I'm not testing it on the road for the first time.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm blown away by that. And I think that's exactly how you should do it. And doing it in phases. I start making piles in the weeks leading up to a trip. I start making big piles. I might need all of these things. And then I start winnowing it down, winnowing it down, honing it like a good stand up set.

[Soojin Park]

Oh. Oh, wow. Okay. It's a craft. It's a craft to just the fine, juicy nuggets, the tarps, the zips, and the pouches that make the final cut. Do we talk about the tarp now or do we wait for the tarp? Or when does the tarp come into play?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Listen, we're gonna have a subset of the conversation. It's gonna be called tarp talk. And it starts now. Welcome to tarp talk. Here's the deal. I sent you guys a picture of all of my cubes and all of my stuff on a tarp. Because that is how, that is how I start laying out once I've made, I start making my piles. Clothes, tech, all the different elements that are going to start being a thing. And once I get it down to what I think is only what I'm going to bring, that stuff goes on the tarp. So now I'm only cubing, pouching and packing what's on the tarp. So it's not like, oh, this stuff is in the bedroom now. I've got everything on this tarp and that is my workspace.

[Soojin Park]

This is a defined zone. Yes, got it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So then you're just getting it into a place where I'm not like, oh, I showed up and I don't have half of my toiletries. Cause I can picture they're sitting on the ledge in the bathroom.

[Soojin Park]

Aha.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know what I mean? I see I've brought them down to the tarp. They're there. They're tarp worthy. They're tarp ready.

[Soojin Park]

I thought you laid down the tarp for sanitary purposes. Are you bringing that tarp to your hotel room and laying that tarp down?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, no. That tarp is just for packing at home.

[Soojin Park]

Okay, yeah, Cassijit, I understand why. Cause when you think tarp, that's even. Yeah. When you're thinking tarp, you're thinking more about sanitation and stuff. You're thinking about keeping water out of a roof. No, no, no, no. Not for this. Yeah. So I thought, okay, I know he's very clean and tidy. So I was like, he's not gonna want the bags touching the hotel carpet. But what you're actually saying is you bust out that tarp for a tarp zone in your home just to pack. And then that tarp goes on a hook in some sort of like tarp tarp.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Doesn't go on. It's such in you sound. You sound like a fool. Suchin you revealed yourself to be a fool thinking, I have some sort of tarp hook. The tarp folds down into its own little packable bag, like this big.

[Soojin Park]

And where does that go that you can find it again?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, it goes in a bin. Oh, I've got. Hold on, please.

[Soojin Park]

Oh, God. See, I. I can't ask follow up questions. Yeah, you have to. That's what the show is. And our show is asking follow up questions because I don't have the energy to have this man be running around his house. Oh, Lord. And what does that bin say? Pouches. It says pouches.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Pouches.

[Soojin Park]

So it's in your pouches. Bin is your tarp, by the way.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is one of, like, 10 bins of different things. This bin has, like, different size pouches, different kinds of pouches. This is a packable towel that sometimes if I'm going someplace, I'll bring, like, a microfiber towel. These are Adam Savage from Mythbusters, makes these great bags and pouches. These are his pouches that I think are fantastic. Anyway, to answer your question, suchin, the tarp lives in one of the bins. It lives literally in the miscellaneous bin where that towel should be. That towel is mistakenly in the pouches bin.

[Soojin Park]

Oh, that's gonna get your goat.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

The rest of my day is pulling apart the pouches, putting apart the bins, and putting them back together.

[Soojin Park]

Now you're gonna have to get a bin tarp.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm just a bin boy.

[Soojin Park]

You're a bin boy now. You're a tarp, Tucker. I don't know if that's right. So, sue, let's just talk about just you and not your kids. Jason said that he's got a rollie and he's got a backpack. What do you have just for you? I generally do a backpack and a rolly. Sometimes I do a very large tote. That's right. It sort of depends, you know, international. I'll do the backpack. It feels. You know what I mean? I'll get more use out of it. Well, let's talk goods now. So, sue and Jay, who makes your rolly and who makes your backpack?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

My roller bag is a rimowa Cabin plus.

[Soojin Park]

Oh, excuse. Wait, Is that heartbeat? Oh, pardon.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Soojin Park]

Wow. Your heart. Hard case guy. Holy moly. Hard case guy. I need a minute. That took a left turn.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. I'm not gonna lie. And I'm gonna be real. There are things that I'm gonna mention in this discussion that are expensive.

[Soojin Park]

That's fine.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know, I'm also. I'm on the road a tremendous amount in the year, so I bought, like, an expensive, burly ass suitcase that I can beat up and it will not fall apart. So it's great. I'm obsessed with it.

[Soojin Park]

I have Never heard you say the word burly. So in all of our friendship, the years that we've known each other, you've said burly multiple times.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah.

[Soojin Park]

Only I'm talking to.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Soojin Park]

Bag.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. I'm talking about, I'm talking about these fabrics. I'm talking about 500 denier Cordura. I'm talking about burly fabrics. I'm talking about water resistant. I love, I love a Ramo bag.

[Soojin Park]

But the Remo A bag because it's hard. I like, I've never been a hard case because you can't stuff even more things in there. Like there's always good. A little bit more room.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Good. I agree and I think you're right. I think a soft bag allows you to put more into it, which is in fact a bad thing. You should be figuring out how to reduce, how to pull back, how to have less. Wow. Because of. Essentially because of what you said Sujin, which is you are going to accumulate. You know. But you're right, you're right that it's not as. On a soft bag you have a couple of liters of play that you can, you know, you measure, you measure volume of bags and liters guys, this is what they do. I don't know why you have some more play and in a hard shell case you don't have that. The other thing that sometimes is negative about a hard bag is it can start off heavier than some soft bags and so if you are especially internationally. Well, sometimes, you know, more often than not it's not a big deal. But some international flights have. Are very like they pulled my check in bag when I went to London and made me check it travel my cabin bag, made me check it simply because it was too heavy. And I hadn't known. That's never happened to me before. But I guess.

[Soojin Park]

Wait, you don't. Do you not travel with a, with a portable scale?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't. This is the first time that I've had this experience. So now I might, you know, or I'll just, or I'll just do it at home. But I've never.

[Soojin Park]

Yeah, because you're bringing goods home. That's right. She brings good home. Like she's, she's got a store. Yeah. And yeah. Opening shop. Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well you should just be getting like a, A shipping container and filling it full of.

[Soojin Park]

Don't even get.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh my God.

[Soojin Park]

The dream I have, I've looked into that. Guess what? Not cheap but also with, with what I like to do is fill a bag to the absolute like the seams are bursting. Yeah. But leave about 6 inches of zipper open and then proceed over the week before of the date that you leave. You just keep finger shoving things.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't think that's. That's. That's the T shirt.

[Soojin Park]

Just like finger shoving. Just a finger. I don't know what liter that amount is.0.008 liters.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I want to make sure people understand that Suchin knows exactly what she's doing. She keeps saying finger shove, finger shove. But the visual, what she's doing with her is absolutely chilling.

[Soojin Park]

Yeah, it feels like a Dateline podcast right now.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It feels like. I want to ask your suitcase if it feels safe.

[Soojin Park]

Oh, you don't want her to answer that question. She's been bound and gagged for many years, so.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, here's the thing. My suitcase, when open, you've seen pictures of it. There's nothing loose inside of it. It's all cubes. It's all perfectly puzzle pieced. So everything goes in a pouch. All my underwear, my sleep shorts, my T shirts, they go in one Evergoods zippered packing cube. My six white shirts from Gitman Brothers vintage, they go in a different packing cube each. So that's the other thing that you mentioned. When I get to my hotel, I don't unpack anything. I just open my suitcase on a luggage rack and I operate out of the cubes. Look at him.

[Soojin Park]

Look at him. Now your visual.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Now I'm finger shoving.

[Soojin Park]

Your visual is much more of like a. What was that movie? And then it moves things. Minority Report. Minority Report.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Minority Report. Enhanced. Enhanced.

[Soojin Park]

Yeah, he's a pre cug. Enhance. Enhance now. Okay, so here's my question to you, Jason. So you're already. Let's say the Uber's picking you up in 30 minutes, and you're like, oh, shoot, I forgot a sun shirt. And there's no time for what you just said, so you have to finger shove. Just like a thin.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You don't have thin.

[Soojin Park]

Spf. Yeah, you do. You have to finger shove it in the suitcase. No, you have to. You don't have time. Honk, honk, honk, honk. You gotta go. And so you have to go right in there and just be like, ah, I hate it. I don't like it. The whole fight. I'll be thinking about it. But you know what? It had to happen. Nobody's perfect. And I'm. And I'm flexible. I'm a flexible guy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, you're not a flexible guy because you said you think about it the whole flight. So for me. What I will do so as to save myself. I will take the extra three minutes to open one of the cubes that I know is not completely full, zip it open, fold my son's shirt perfectly like I learned when I was a sales associate at the Gap, and I will put it in that cube, zip it back up, zip the suitcase back up. Bing bang boom, I'm ready to rock. And then when I get there and I'm like, ooh, it's sunny. I need my sun shirt. I'm like, oh, it's in the Evergoods packing cube with the other T shirts and my merino wool travel shirts.

[Soojin Park]

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[Soojin Park]

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[Soojin Park]

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[Jason Mantzoukas]

My answer is different in the past than it is now. Okay, in the past I would bring more socks and underwear than I needed. Now I bring less because I now will do laundry in place. I will send. I now, again, this is a, a, a financial indulgence. I will send. I will have the hotel do my socks and underwear, you know, or, you know, a few things that is, it's overpriced, it's ridiculous, but it allows me to bring fewer things and then I just have to build in. Okay. I'm gonna end up sending laundry down twice or whatever.

[Soojin Park]

Right? You're not, you're not washing any of that in a sink.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And, and, and oh no, I will, I will. And one of my, one of my things on my list is a packable clothesline. Sorry, which is, it's just like 12ft of paracord. So if I want to wash and I do like underwear or my compression socks, excuse me, my compression socks. If I want to wash my compressor, I'm going on a trip tomorrow.

[Soojin Park]

Got two pair ready to go for the flight there and flight back. Killing the best.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You got to get those compression socks, you know. So yeah, I'll Wash it and I'll hang it up. Absolutely.

[Soojin Park]

Okay. Just wanted.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I'm less likely to do. I'm more likely now to be like, fudge it. I'll just send it down. You know what? It's going to cost me 40 bucks. But in my mind, I've decided I'm 51. It's. I'll spend this money.

[Soojin Park]

So what are we talking? Five socks. Five. There's underwear?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Soojin Park]

All right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think on this trip. I think on this trip for. I was away for three weeks, I think I had six socks and six underwear.

[Soojin Park]

Okay. Okay. Wow. Okay. Such. And pak. What. What's your math? Oh, God. I really don't want to get into this.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think the thing for women is women's underwear packs so much smaller, so you can bring way more.

[Soojin Park]

You know, it depends. It depends on what type of underwear and.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, go ahead, please.

[Soojin Park]

My underwear is. Is. What did you call it? Burly fabric.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sure, sure.

[Soojin Park]

Sailboat, sailcloth.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Well, that's not breathable at all. So I mean, that's, that's that you're.

[Soojin Park]

Cooking up something closer to the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Cooking up. Cooking something up in there.

[Soojin Park]

I have a little valve.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Like an old east coast radiator.

[Soojin Park]

It's just like she uses dead stock from REI tents.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh. I mean, if you're a member, they'll still take it back.

[Soojin Park]

She is such. And give me a number right now for a 10 day trip. Yeah. I mean, probably like 20 pairs of underwear and 10 pairs of socks and all wool, I'm assuming for both of you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All wool for me. All wool. Yeah. But I. That's not crazy. That's not crazy to me because I do feel like your 20 pairs of underwear probably pack smaller than my six pairs of like, you know, underwear. Maybe not, but I could fit. I bet I could finger cram. I could finger cram your panties into a pouch. Such in. I could finger cram your panties into a pouch.

[Soojin Park]

Promises made, promises broken. I could answer that two ways. I could say I'll bring four pairs of underwear and two pairs of socks, knowing that when I get there, I will buy and I am going to buy all of that and more. You know what I mean? So I've got.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wait, you'll buy underwear and socks?

[Soojin Park]

Absolutely. That's sort of a given. You were burned in Paris. You bought underwear in Paris. And it was way too. It was too small for your liking. Correct. The fabric wasn't great. Yeah, it was a tinier bit of fabric. I like a generous spread.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sure, sure. My question is so okay, so you're buying underwear. Let's say underwear and socks. You're buying it there because you need to wear it on your trip or because you like that version of that underwear and you want to bring it home with you.

[Soojin Park]

Generally, it's a. Something has happened. I miscalculated.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. Suchin, I need to ask you a follow up question immediately when you buy the new underwear.

[Soojin Park]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And this is very important.

[Soojin Park]

Yeah.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Do you not wash it before you wear it?

[Soojin Park]

Oh, you have to wash it because people have been fingering it. Okay. In the drawer.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But there are so many people I know who don't wash clothes that they receive from online shopping, buy out in the world or whatever. They just put it on their bodies.

[Soojin Park]

I wouldn't wash the socks because.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What? Because your feet are gross anyway. Why?

[Soojin Park]

Yeah, because my feet are my feet. But underwear is touching more intimate parts of yours. Guys, I don't wash anything. I just put it on and then I wash it after.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You're one of those people.

[Soojin Park]

Cool up. What? Yeah. I don't want to insert myself for just a second.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's dangerous.

[Soojin Park]

I could, I could see that. I could see. I hear you. I. I'm not going to change my behavior.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's because people.

[Soojin Park]

People are gross. They'll try things on in the store without underwear on or whatever and then put it right back.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Or even if it's just been sitting in some sort of like, shipping center waiting to be like some disgusting warehouse waiting to be thrown in a box and sent to you from some random company that you've bought it from.

[Soojin Park]

Well, look, look. I feel like that's prob. Were my skims underwear, but I think that my vagina has built up some sort of like, resistance. And I think it's good.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Why challenge it? Why challenge it? Why give you. Why give yourself? Why give yourself that test?

[Soojin Park]

And why has she built up that resistance? Why is the assumption. Let me, let me. You guys are all concerned about burly fabric. My vagina is burly. My vagina is hardy. My vagina is Tom Hardy in the Dark Knight.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Welcome, welcome. Oh, Batman. I'm sloughing off the uterine lining. What?

[Soojin Park]

I live with the man who will re wash perfectly clean clothes because they feel stale. Oh.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What'S stale? What do you mean by stale?

[Soojin Park]

That's his interpretation, his barometer, his thermostat. Because it's not like mildewy. It's not like. Oh, no, that's. Yeah, that's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, exactly. It doesn't have a smell. It doesn't he just thinks, okay, because I will agree if I. I feel like if I pulled us. If I pulled something out that I hadn't worn in a very long time, would I wash it before wearing it? Maybe, maybe. But probably not always. Only if it was like, no. Because I feel like if it's put away, right, it's clean. But I will not wear anything. If I am going to put on clean underwear fresh from a shower and the clean underwear falls on the ground, I will not put it on. It's dirty now. Wow.

[Soojin Park]

Really?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I won't.

[Soojin Park]

Like, what is. Is your nethers. I mean, how delicate is it down there?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That would be the case. That would be the case with. I mean, I chose underwear. That would be the case with a T shirt in your own home. Yeah. The floors are clean.

[Soojin Park]

They have to be clean. They're tarping it. You need a shower tarp, bro. You need a tarp.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's so true. It's so true. But like, that's the other thing is like once I use a towel, that towel is dirty.

[Soojin Park]

What? That's my husband. Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You know that towel is now dirty. I don't use a towel multiple days in a row.

[Soojin Park]

He doesn't, by the way. He doesn't even hang his. There are no towels hanging in the bathroom. He brings a towel in, dry my body hamper.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Or sometimes I bring it straight down. Boom. Right into the machine.

[Soojin Park]

Wow. Okay, Okay.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't. I don't love it. I don't love it. I don't. This is something I don't stand by. I know that's that this is. This is crazy. I know that I don't think this is appropriate, but somehow in my mental calculus, I'm like, oh, this is dirty now.

[Soojin Park]

So, okay, are we gonna get to his cart? Because I have so many follow up questions and I. And I want to ask.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'll happily just talk about this.

[Soojin Park]

The last thing I want to ask is what time are you arriving at the airport and gates?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, so I'll answer. But I want to answer, if you don't mind. You earlier asked me what roller bag I use, which is a ramowa. And then you also asked me what backpack? What backpack? And I didn't answer that. And more often than not, I'm carrying the Tom Bin Shadow guide pack, which I love and is an incredible bag. It's 35 liters, so it can hold a lot. But you. If you don't pack it full, it's great because you can really easily. So I fill it with Cubes with stuff like. This is like my tech pouch. This is an Evergoods, you know, tech pouch that has. That just fits perfectly right into my backpack. So I slide all these pouches into the backpack that are. And so the size, the measurements of that pack. There's a couple of. The evergoods Travel Bag 2 is incredible and fantastic and has a little bit more access points. The, the Tom Bin one is a top loader. You just kind of fill it from the top, which I, which I don't mind, but anyway, so I use that or, or the Evergoods bag or the. Or another Tom Bin bag called the Teconot, which is also very good.

[Soojin Park]

Anyway, thank you, Jay. Thank you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Of course. And you know, like. And I could talk about backpacks for the literal rest of the podcast because it is. I'm completely in the most embarrassing way, like down my. My downstairs guest room is just full of bins of backpacks that are. It's shocking how many. The One of the other things that I will mention. And the answer is like dozens of backpacks. The other thing I'll mention, which is the goal, which is like, what a. What an incredible idea. The goal would really be to travel with just a big backpack. Just, just one bag. Travel Rick Steves style. Because a roller bag is, you know, not always convenient and in fact is.

[Soojin Park]

Often inconvenient if you need to get trains and stuff. It's so much easier just have a backpack.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Cobblestone streets, all you just so much more mobile. So there are bags, the GR. The Goruck GR2, the. There's a bunch of Tom Bin bags, that Evergoods bag I mentioned, there's a bunch of others that are all fantastic for that. And then what I do is I pack a smaller bag inside that bag so that when I get there, if I want to tool around and go sightseeing or on a hike or something, I have a little backpack, like a little arc' teryx backpack that I've got or one of the other little packable bags. Suchin is just laughing so hard at me. But what I will do specifically vis a vis my plain etiquette is. Oh my God, is I take this Tom Bin, one of these Tom Bin tote bags, right? That are small. The small tote bag that is like nothing, right? And I put inside of this another.

[Soojin Park]

Wait, another bag?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes, yes. But I'll put inside of this my, my noise canceling headphones, if I'm bringing those, my iPad, all the stuff that I want at my stuff seat on the plane.

[Soojin Park]

So you just pull that out.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So what I do is I get to my seat, I take my backpack, I take my. Put my roller bag up above because nothing in it is coming out. I open my backpack, I pull just this tote with everything that I need for the plane ride, put it on the seat, put my backpack up above. And now I've got my hero clip. I clip it this to the thing. I hang my tote bag off of the seat in front of me.

[Soojin Park]

Yeah, we have a photo. Don't worry. We have a photo.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah, you have a photo. So my stuff is not hanging. My stuff is not touching the disgusting air plain floor, which is the most disgusting place and everything I need, boom, right here in my trusty Tom Bin tote bag.

[Soojin Park]

Now, Jay, are you wiping down the seat?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, I'm wiping down everything I can get my hands on. I'm wiping out. Yes, I'm wiping everything down. I'm wiping the. I'm wiping the screen down. I'm wiping everything down. And I don't take. I don't eat a goddamn thing. They get me. And I treat it like. Nice try, nice try.

[Soojin Park]

Not falling for it. Okay?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Nice try asking exactly what do you think I'm an idiot? You know? You know, guess what? I don't want food prepared less than 4ft from a toilet. Think about that. Think about how present the toilet is to the food prep area. You would never allow that in a restaurant. The every galley in every airplane would get an F from the health department just by proximity. And that toilet shoots shit up. That's how that works. That thing is just pouring fecal particles onto your ice into your drinks. You're fools. You're absolute fools for consuming this diarrhea food.

[Soojin Park]

And plus those pilots in that cabin, that pressurized cabin, just the two of them. What's going on in there?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Just ripping farts. Just ripping farts. They're just fucking hotboxing that cockpit with farts.

[Soojin Park]

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[Soojin Park]

Zooks Cubes Zooks cubes. Zooks cubes. Okay, let's get more into Jason's cart.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Along with my roller bag and my backpack. I carry now a sling around my front whichevergoods makes. And I'm just gonna go get it right now. Hold on. And so I'll dump everything in my pockets when I get to the airport. My phone, my AirPods, everything for TSA I'll dump in here. I've got one of these.

[Soojin Park]

So that plug adapter is the Epica universal travel. Is that what the.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It. Hold on. I'll go get it.

[Soojin Park]

Okay. You're worried about you getting tired or. Why aren't you worried about him getting tired? Such. And Park. I mean, he's burning calories. He's high. He's so happy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm having the best time.

[Soojin Park]

Happy. I've never. His pupils are fully dying.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This is what I'm talking about. Yeah. Yeah. This is the thing I'm talking about. So it's got, like, wherever you are, you can have the plug for wherever you are, and then it will plug in everything. And then it has, like, four USB C charging ports, one USB a charging port. Like, it's got all the stuff and a surge protector. So this is great for. You know, I have this. And then I brought this, which is my anchor. I plug this into the wall, and then my com. It's got two USB C ports and one USB regular. And it's a battery. And this is now a. Once this is charged, it's a battery on the go. So it's both my. It's both my wall unit. But then when it's. When I just have it, it can charge multiple phones or my iPad or whatever.

[Soojin Park]

And where are those. What pouches are those two things in there? Nobody knows. Oh, no, not in the front pouch. So you put it in your front pouch.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

This thing? I put everything in my front pouch, baby.

[Soojin Park]

Guys, listen, I'm trying. I'm trying so hard to follow along. I mean, I'm sorry, I have to wave my I surrender flag.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, look at this. I've lost it. Fits perfectly right in there.

[Soojin Park]

Here's where it makes sense. If he's on the go and his phone is dying, it's like. It's not. Rifle, rifle, rifle. It's already slung in front of him.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And I don't have to go into.

[Soojin Park]

Exactly.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I don't have to go into any bag. I can recharge my phone twice without going into anything but this. I've been traveling with this setup for a while now, and Maybe twice people have said you can't have three things, you know, so what I do is I just take the fanny pack and I put it, I just put it in the backpack.

[Soojin Park]

Got it, got it, got it.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Just for that. It's annoying, but it's only happened twice or if that.

[Soojin Park]

So I have a specific question and then I have like a big picture question. Okay, here we go. Okay, great. Specific question.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Macro. Micro.

[Soojin Park]

Yes, I'm going to start with the micro. Have you ever had the experience where you go into one of your tiny little secret compartments within a compartment within a compartment and you know in your brain that you've got your little tiny little pouches for your vitamins there and you go in there with your two fingers to grab it out and it's empty. Have you ever had that experience where you go for something that you know should be there and I just want to, I want to sit. What does that look like? Is it a full mouthful?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It was recently. No, no, it happened recently and I was annoyed, but it was fine because it was something that. And it'll happen when it's things that are underused. So I was like, I had a headache and I was like, I know in my fanny pack there is Tylenol and. And so I tore that fanny pack to shreds and at some point I had moved that Tylenol to my toiletry, my toiletry kit. So it was annoyingly in the backpack, so I had to go find it elsewhere. So yes, but it's kind of like that. I've never needed a frequently used item, I. E. The battery or the cord or stuff like that because those things I always double check are there because I know during this 10 hour flight I'm going to need that, I'm going to want that. I'm going to be really annoyed if I don't have that.

[Soojin Park]

The system catches you every. It's a trust fall and she's there. Yeah, well, I mean that was.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And remember, remember building in redundancy. 1 is 0, 2 is 1, 3 is 2.

[Soojin Park]

My macro question here, I have a few, but I'm going to try to just stick to one. My macro question here is, okay, how much do you think of your headspace, your time and your energy, your body liquids, your waking hormones? Do you spend thinking about pouches, reorganizing them, putting them away, laying them out, touching them, searching for them? How much of your life is pouch or cube?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay, when I am like, because I'm trying to take this seriously, which is itself an upsetting reality in normal life? Not at all. Like, not at all. Unless I see a thing online. Like, just the other day I saw this company, Matador, put out a new set of packing cubes that looks like it has a. I'm. I'm currently in the market for a different packing cube setup.

[Soojin Park]

Really?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So I'm looking at other packing cube for clothes, packing cubes. The Evergoods one I love, but I'm looking for some bigger ones anyway. So if. If I see something come across like my. One of the sites that I go to, one of my. If my RSS feed shows me something from one of the sites that I follow or the YouTube channels that I watch, I'll. I'll engage with it if I'm looking for it. But otherwise, not really. But then in. I will say in the week or two leading up to a trip, especially like this last trip, which was long, and I was really having to think about, like, how do I want to. Like, it's. I'm going to be in rainy places, so I need access to my raincoat all the time. Where am I gonna keep it so that it's easy to get to and how am I gonna pack it? So the raincoat, I figured out, I'll put it in its own cue, in its own little thing so it's as tight as possible. And then I can fit it into the lid of my backpack so it can live there.

[Soojin Park]

Right.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So I'll think about stuff like that. But that, again, is only in the lead up to a trip.

[Soojin Park]

Right? Right. My final question is if you're traveling with a partner, okay. And does that partner have to engage in your philosophy of cubing? Because can that partner have his or her own packing philosophy that may interfere with the rhythm of your cubing?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Sure. Sure. Now, I know what you're saying. If somebody has a system that they. That works for them, then they should go for it. You know what I mean? You know, if I'm traveling with someone who's they, they pack their thing their way or whatever, but if it becomes a situation where, here we go, they're like, oh, no, I don't have this, this and this. I need to go to a store and I need to buy this, this, this. I'm like, now I'm annoyed. Now we're wasting travel time doing errands. And this, this should have been figured out. You know what I mean? So like, like, I've traveled with buddies on trips that are. They're a fucking mess because they, like, just threw a bunch of stuff into the suitcase the night before and are showing up like, oh, dude, I fuck it, I don't have it. It's colder than I thought. I don't have a jacket. And I'm like, how did you not look at the weather for the week ahead in the ski town we're currently in? Like, what are you doing? Like, this is. Now we have to go and find a store and get you base layers and.

[Soojin Park]

Well, this is back to episode one of Zook's Cubes where Suchin expects to go to a pharmacy. That's part of the itinerary is that she's going to a pharmacy.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If I'm running errands like that, I've.

[Soojin Park]

Failed and it's the only reason I travel.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I will happily if someone is like, you know, like, oh, what's the deal with packing cubes or whatever. I'll be like, here, try, use these, try this. You know, I'm happy to proselytize to someone if I'm going to be traveling with them. If they were like, let me know how this works. I'm like, let's do it. I'll pack someone's bag for them.

[Soojin Park]

So generous, if you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

If you know what I'm saying.

[Soojin Park]

Erotic, erotic. Put your hands all over my tarps.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But, but no, I'm not, you know, my system. My system is for me. And it's because it's absurd. I don't think I'm doing it correct or like there's no right or wrong way. Except that. Except that Suchin is doing it wrong.

[Soojin Park]

I do know that you derive pleasure from it. Like that's, that's what we're.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Soojin Park]

I mean, isn't that the baseline of it all?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I like, I feel satisfied when I have fit a lot of stuff into cubes and then puzzle piece them into the structure of the two volumes of bags that I have. Boom, boom, boom. I find real pleasure in. I've got. I've gotten it all in there. And then. And forgive me, I think I told this story the last time, but it's the story that best illustrates this, which is I told you about the blackout that happened in Telluride, Colorado when we were there for the Telluride Comedy Festival. A town wide blackout happened overnight in a. In a town that is like a box canyon in the middle of the mountain. So it was like plunged into like the last century. And it was so cool and beautiful and there were no generators, nobody had anything. And I had in my possession seven flashlights.

[Soojin Park]

Jay. I don't think you told me the story. I don't know the story.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, oh, I thought I. Oh, forgive me. I thought I told it on the last one.

[Soojin Park]

How did you. Have you packed seven flashlights? Redundancies, such and pock.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes.

[Soojin Park]

One equals zero.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yes. So I had multiple regular flashlights. And that's one of the things that I always bring too. Everything from like a small pocket size flashlight to. I had a headlamp. Then I also have like.

[Soojin Park]

So you have a headlamp for reading? I know, I know. Reading, but I can't imagine flashlights.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, yeah. Well, I also have like little flashlights attached to zippers on my backpack. So, like, it wasn't like, here's seven flashlights. I had to pull them off of other things. So they, you know, a lot of them are little guys. But still, I was able to give everybody in the comedy festival a flashlight during the blackout, and everybody was like, what is. Why is. Why do you have all of this? But part of it is because I have like, I always travel with this tom bin bag, this little pack that's just like a toolkit. It's got flashlights in it. It's got a little wrench in it. It's got like, it's got. It's got one of these, one of these windshield. One of these windshield breakers. You know, these, the tools that you're supposed to have in your car. If I'm, if I'm traveling and I'm going to be in cars in places I don't know, guess what? I'm going to have a windshield breaker.

[Soojin Park]

In case you go underwater.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm going to have, I'm gonna have one of these things to plug into the cigarette lighter to charge everything.

[Soojin Park]

Okay. Wow. This is, this is. I am astounded. You have. You travel with a wrench. That is, you travel with the cigarette lighter. So, Su Jin, just to go back to you a little bit, I'm assuming your experiment with packing cubes has unraveled and it really is just.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Can we, Can I ask. Sorry to interrupt you go ahead. Can I, can I make a request?

[Soojin Park]

I tried.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Can we do a video podcast sometime where I pack such as bags?

[Soojin Park]

Yeah, I'd like that very much. I like that very much.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Maybe, maybe not for an actual trip, but maybe it's just like here is everything that you would take and then I, I just we. You. This would be a funny video episode. I think it would be where we're together.

[Soojin Park]

Yeah. And then watch her like a rabid raccoon go like Unzip everything. No, not even. I just would love to see the look on your face when you see what I travel with. You know, like when you list out the wrench and the stain remover pen and your little rubbery tips for your ears. And I bust out with my snacks and my bean pillow. Three pound bean pillow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

And you know, wait, you take, you take a. Like a bed pillow. But that's like the husks. Bean husks.

[Soojin Park]

It's the only thing I can sleep with.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I just, this trip was like, I'm dangerously close to when. When, when I know I'm going to be someplace for a while. Just buying the pillow. I know I like sending it there, sleeping on it and letting them throw it away. Because these hotel pillows, this is old, man. This is real old, man. I cannot do this shit anymore.

[Soojin Park]

And I, and I. And I've been somewhere where I didn't know I was gonna spend the night. And I was like, oh, you know what? It's getting too late. All right, I'll just, you know, stay in LA at night and then drive back in the morning and. And I'm like, I don't know what I'm gonna do about pillows. And so I've gone then to buy a hundred and sixty dollar pillow, like the most expensive. Thinking that, that and then never using it ever again. Because it's the pillow. It's the age I used. That never was a thing until. And I one night on not my pillow, then its game is over.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh no. My neck and back are still jacked up from this last trip just because of pillows and beds.

[Soojin Park]

The pillow that I use, I have the barley, right? Oh, it's barley. Yeah. Like they're like husks. They're like husks.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

No, no, I slept on. I slept on one for many years.

[Soojin Park]

Okay. If you can't for some reason have it delivered. I've had that delivered. And then that's the best case scenario. And you leave it there or I take it with. And then you throw away the husks.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Oh, interesting.

[Soojin Park]

And you empty the husks. So you still have.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You can order.

[Soojin Park]

Yeah. And then you can order husk inserts or so. So it's not crazy. Sounds like this would be a perfectly smooth video. That would just be Kumbaya. I can't wait.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I can't imagine. I can't imagine it's gonna end with such in. And I covered in husks. Us and the floor just covered in husks.

[Soojin Park]

Husks and poise pads. Like that. Why are you bringing so many poise pads at the different sizes for different activities? You know what I mean? It's, it's not all the same size fits all. And so you're going to have to pouch that and figure out how the system works.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I love a challenge. Challenge accepted.

[Soojin Park]

All right, when we meet next, I shall bring my soft fingered suitcase. Sue, can I ask, can I ask in your, in your system, are there like things in the bags or do you have a. Or are they all different things? The, the complete answer to that is the intention is always there in the beginning. Sure, sure. And, and I say, okay, this is going to be just for the bathroom. Okay. Right. And so I'll just put all my toiletries in there. I'll put my, my, you know, serums and blah, blah, blah. Then last minute, you know, finger cramming there. Finger. I have to finger cram something in there. Like a little, like maybe a little like, like a granola bar, handkerchief or something like that where I was like, you know what? It's, it's, it's great because it's gonna be cold, but not too cold. And this is something I can wear and cover my neck and so then I have to find something.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

So you'll put that in with your toilet sometimes.

[Soojin Park]

Because it's, it just is a last minute thing.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Suchin, respectfully, that's madness. That's madness.

[Soojin Park]

I understand your viewpoint of that is being madness, but you have to understand.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That neckerchief should have a home. No, but that neckerchief, it shouldn't just be jammed. It should be like. You should know where to get neckerchiefs.

[Soojin Park]

No, no, Sometimes from the neckerchief pouch. Yeah. But sometimes you just don't know until it's last minute and then, and it's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Just one necker cheese. You can know where are you able.

[Soojin Park]

To put that in? Where are you.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You're not. You are able to know before last minute? It's possible. Goodbye. Cool up. Cool up. Shrinking out of.

[Soojin Park]

We lost. We lost her. Okay, I know we need to end, but I'm having so much fun because I kind of. Because Jay, I know what your bag looks like. So now I didn't understand. Are your shirts and underwear in ziploc bags too?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Suchin, are you using ziploc bags for clothes as packing cubes or.

[Soojin Park]

No, no.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Do clothes just go in loose?

[Soojin Park]

Yeah, that's what I want. Yeah, loose clothes.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But what about shoes? Are your shoes bagged or are your shoes just. Are your dirty Soles of your shoes up against your clean clothes?

[Soojin Park]

Up against the crotch area of my underwear. I wrap the shoe. No, truly, no. The shoes go in usually like. Like a. Like a. What do they call it? Like a dust bag or something. Oh, you know. Okay. Okay, great. Great, great, great, great.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Okay. Okay.

[Soojin Park]

And so that's where the shoes go. All right. Okay. So then. So then it's loose. Folded. Folded. Folded clothing. And then.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Yeah. Are you folding or rolling or neither?

[Soojin Park]

Yeah, I am. Well, again, the intention there is always super cram. No, super organized. Like, I know exactly what it is. I usually roll. I usually roll. But it depends, you know, and it kind of depends on. On the. The formation that's happening. And I never know. I'm very free and open to it. You know, like sometimes a bag starts off where the rolling works and then I add something. And now suddenly I can only lay things down flat. So then that happens. But I do have to say there's always something last minute for me that I'm not going to unroll and reorganize everything. It's just going to have to be jammed, finger jammed into the edges, any sort of opening there's.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But see, my fear would be. My fear would be. What you have is when you open your suitcase, it is not chaos, but it is. It is kind. And once you start digging around, you are creating more chaos. Right. So. So then what you're doing is creating a situation where repacking your bag to move to a different or a different leg of your trip. Repacking your bag becomes quite difficult because you have to actually go and redo everything you've upset. By pulling out this sweater, you've unraveled three other things. Versus for me, I'm unzipping the cubes that are in my bag and like drawers in the suitcase. I'm like, here's my white shirt for tonight. Here's my underwear. Here are my socks. Thank you. Thank you, suitcase. Thank you. Thank you, mood.

[Soojin Park]

Thank you, mama.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Thank you, Mood. Thank you, Mood.

[Soojin Park]

I am repacking and packing my suitcase at all hours of the trip. At every free trip.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

You're wasting so much time.

[Soojin Park]

Okay, well, let me. Let me ask this. Do you enjoy that? Does that give you pleasure, Sue? Or does that as much pleasure as this trip tarp gives Jason? Oh.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Which is quite a bit of pleasure.

[Soojin Park]

Okay, well, yeah, because. Is there.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

It's quite a bit of pleasure because I fucked that tarp.

[Soojin Park]

Yeah, same, same. I make love just a couple of tarp. Yeah, you the tarp. I make Love to my suitcase every chance I get. I am you correct.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What kind of suitcase?

[Soojin Park]

I don't even know. It's a soft kind of suitcase. It's a great suitcase. Where'd you get it? I got it on sale. Yeah, I'm sure, like backcountry or, you know, something like that. Okay. Okay. Wow. Okay, so in summation, you guys are both doing things that feel good to you. Is that. Oh, great. Fair. We're getting cessile pleasure.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I think we both are. It's interesting, I think. Boy. I think what's interesting is I feel like in doing these episodes, I think in my mind I would win suchin over as a convert to some of these things.

[Soojin Park]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

What I think is happening, though, is I think she's digging her heels in deeper.

[Soojin Park]

I feel that, too. I feel that. No, I'm open. I got the bins. I told you I did that. And then I couldn't remember what was in those damn packing cubes. And so then.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

That's tough.

[Soojin Park]

So then I put the labels on, and that all got messed up. If we were to collab. Oh, no. Collab on a bag. I love this collab on a bag cube, you know, line. Okay, let's. Everything would be clear.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

There are certain cubes that not fully clear, but have, like, mesh. Have like a. The one side you can kind of see a little bit. So I do think. And one of the ways that I do it, too, is I will color coordinate. So, like. So certain cubes. I like my orange Evergoods cube. I know is underwear, T shirts, sleep shorts. That is just that stuff. The red packing cube, just white shirts, you know, like, there are certain things that I'm like this. These are always going to be true. So that I'm. It's just baked in now, Right? Because I agree with you. Just a cacophony of cubes is just as confusing if you don't know what's where, you know, like, you don't want to start unzipping, unzipping and. And rummaging around the thing that I'm saying, which is you're making a mess. And that's my whole thing is trying to not have a mess, you know?

[Soojin Park]

Right. And I say that is where, once again, the juice of life is. Wow, Jason. I mean, where else should we end but there? You know?

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, I'm having a great time. I know.

[Soojin Park]

No, I love it so much. Jason, I miss you. I feel like I haven't seen you forever.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I mean, I've been. I've been. These weeks have been crazy, so I'm so excited to be home. I would love to see you as soon as possible.

[Soojin Park]

Yes, please.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

But I literally have practically not left the house in the three days that I've been home.

[Soojin Park]

Yeah, you've been de pouching my bed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

All I want to do is. Oh my God, if I told you.

[Soojin Park]

Oh, I can only imagine the de pouching chambers that you have to go into.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

I'm also obsessed with bed bugs. So I take all the pouches and stuff that I use, I put them in a black trash bag, and I put that outside in the sun for a few days when I come home so that it kind of kills anything that's in there.

[Soojin Park]

Wow.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Wow.

[Soojin Park]

Okay. Okay. That's a bonus ep. I don't know. That may have to go behind a paywall. Yeah, Soojin would put a lot of things out in the sun to kill Jin. Oh, I love it. Yeah, she has done a lot of that in the past. Wow, guys. Well, that's all for today's episode. Carter's Cubers. You have to see these packing photos. Head over to our Instagram at Add to Cart pod. We will see you next week. Cube.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Cubes coming at you. Zooks Cubes. Cube time. You've just been cubed. Do the cube dice stand.

[Soojin Park]

Cube Cubed.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

Welcome to the Pouch House.

[Soojin Park]

Finger Jam.

[Jason Mantzoukas]

House of Pouch Two Finger Jam.

[Soojin Park]

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