Welcome to another episode of ADHD-ish! In today’s conversation, Diann Wingert, host and therapist-turned-business strategist, sits down with longtime ADHD coach and thought leader Jeff Copper to explore his groundbreaking new approach: “Cognitive Ergonomics from the Inside Out.”

Together, they dive into the roots of executive function challenges, drawing on insights from Dr. Russell Barkley, and discuss why traditional ADHD advice doesn’t always translate to real-world results.

Jeff Copper explains the concept of “cognitive illiteracy” and shares how his attention scope experiences can help make the invisible struggles of ADHD tangible. You’ll hear practical strategies—like the power of direct, oral conversations in problem-solving—and fresh perspectives on mindfulness for busy brains.

Why You’ll Love It

Whether you’re newly diagnosed, deep in your ADHD self-awareness journey, or have “tried all the things,” this episode invites you to see your challenges—and strengths—through a radically new, pragmatic lens. If you geek out on intellectual curiosity and want to see what’s “under the hood,” check out Jeff Cooper’s Cognitive Ergonomics resources (link below).

What you’ll learn:

Cognitive Ergonomics, Explained: No engineering degree required—Jeff Copper breaks down this powerful new way to understand how your brain REALLY operates.
The Concept of “Cognitive Illiteracy”: What does it mean to be cognitively illiterate? Why is it not as negative as it sounds? Spoiler: it’s about discovering things you couldn’t see before!
Experiencing Attention Scope: Learn how using your non-dominant hand during everyday tasks can help you feel executive function challenges—and practice self-awareness.
Mindfulness, Reimagined: Forget trying to get your mind to go blank—get practical tips for being present in the now (and why that matters for your productivity and focus).

Fun Fact from the Episode:

If you’ve ever solved a problem just by voicing it to someone (or even sending a voice note!), you’re already practicing cognitive ergonomics. In fact, Jeff Copper says some folks can process and solve their own issues simply by “downloading” a problem out loud—even if nobody responds!

About today’s guest, Jeff Copper

Jeff Copper is a cognitive engineer, thought leader, and ADHD coach. He is the founder of DIG Coaching, Attention Talk Radio, and Attention Talk Video, and holds professional designations from ICF and PAAC and certifications from ADD Coach Academy and Coaches Training Institute. Jeff developed Cognitive Ergonomics From the Inside Out®, a radical departure from the current ADHD intervention paradigm. In recognition of his contributions, he received the ACO's 2022 Professional Excellence Award. Jeff continues to innovate in attention coaching, helping individuals understand and manage their ADHD challenges.

Connect with Jeff:

DIG Coaching Practice - Attention Talk Radio Podcast - LinkedIn - Email

Cognitive Ergonomics From the Inside Out

Your ADHD-ish host, Diann Wingert

Diann Wingert brings decades of experience as a psychotherapist and is now a sought-after coach to entrepreneurs with ADHD traits. Her style is direct, strategic, and always honest—peppered with the insight of someone who lives and breathes the neurodivergent experience.

Known for her candor and her refusal to compromise on what matters, Diann Wingert is a fierce advocate for self-acceptance and meaningful growth at the intersection of neurodivergence and entrepreneurship.

Mentioned during this interview:

Russell A Barkley, PhD - Dr. Charles Parker - The Four Tendencies - John Maxwell

Now what?

If this episode got you thinking in a new way about your ADHD, now would be a perfect time to leave that 5-star rating and review you keep meaning to leave. Here’s the link to make it happen. Thank you!

And, if you are connected with Jeff Copper, or are going to start now, be sure to reach out and let him know your thoughts on cognitive ergonomics: jeff@digcoaching.com