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Afford Anything with Paula Pant | Episode: "Are Credit Card Rewards Really Worth It in 2026?"

Guest: Chris Hutchins, Host of All the Hacks

Date: December 19, 2025

Episode Overview

This episode explores whether pursuing credit card points and travel rewards is still “worth it” as we approach 2026, given rising annual fees, increasing complexity, and the shift toward “couponization” of high-end cards. Paula Pant is joined by Chris Hutchins, a veteran optimizer, founder, and host of the “All the Hacks” podcast. Together, they dissect the points-versus-cashback debate, new tools in the points landscape, and strategies for making rewards actually work for you—all while avoiding common pitfalls and psychological traps.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Credit Card Landscape in 2025/2026

• Premium Card Shakeups: Annual fees for cards like Chase Sapphire Reserve and Amex Platinum have shot upwards (now $795–$895/year), with more perks… but often in the form of coupons or credits for specific spending.
  • Chris on the trend:

    “We often call it like the couponization of credit cards. Everyone said, ‘Let’s charge higher fees and add a bunch of perks and credits...assuming you actually use them in a way that they're really worth it.’” (01:47)

• Value is User-Specific: The proliferation of niche perks means many “benefits” only matter if you’d buy the thing anyway.
  • Paula:

    “Higher fees don't necessarily translate to higher value if you weren’t going to use them anyway or if the benefits change your behavior and now you're going out of your way to use stuff you otherwise wouldn’t have.” (60:09)

2. Is the Points Game Still Worth It?

The Welcome Bonus Dominance

• Big Signup Bonuses > Category Optimization:
  • Chris:

    “You're never gonna get all the points you need to take all these great vacations by getting a card that earns you, like, one extra point per dollar on streaming services… The welcome offers are going to be the thing that moves the needle.” (03:45)

• Category Tweaks Are Overrated: Unless you have extreme spending in a category, chasing 5x points on groceries or streaming isn't meaningful.
  • Chris (on streaming service bonus):

    “You have a card that gets you 2x points, so you're going to get an extra 3 points on $800. It’s like 2,400 points. Is this worth the time and energy?” (04:20)

Cash Back’s Simplicity Is Appealing

• Cash Back is now competitive—sometimes at 2-3%—and with no hoops.
  • Chris:

    “It feels nice to just have the money in your account, the money in your account is earning interest. If you don’t want to open a bunch of cards or care about bonuses, it's hard to beat cash back right now.” (04:12)

• For Simplicity Seekers: If points stress you out or you want ease, cash back is a rational choice.
  • Chris:

    “Experimenting with something like cash back as a points person doesn't mean you have to do it for the rest of your life. I tried it for a little bit and I was like, this feels pretty nice.” (62:58)

3. Getting the Most Value from Your Points

Flexibility Is Key

• Transferring points to travel partners can yield great value, especially if you are flexible on when/where you go.
  • New tools like Award Tool, Points Yeah, Rome Travel, and Seats Aero widen the possibilities.
  • Chris:

    “If you have that flexibility, there’s a lot of tools that make it easy to find deals that still make those points really valuable. But there is some overhead to that.” (09:23)

Economy Redemptions Are Legitimate

• Old wisdom was to only book business/first for best value—but competitive economy redemptions now exist.
  • Chris:

    “If you have 200,000 points, you could take multiple trips in economy… Those business class seats are so limited. In economy sometimes you can find nine, ten flights...that’s really cool.” (10:59)

Focus on Personal Value, Not Retail Value

• Don't fixate on the “retail cost” of flights/rooms you’d never actually buy.
  • Chris:

    “It's not really fair to say you got $20,000 of value [on a business ticket you’d never pay for].” (11:46)

  • Paula:

    “Not paying attention to the retail value, but rather paying attention to what is this worth to you?” (13:34)

4. Assessing "Couponization" and the Real Value of Perks

• Treat credits as real value only if you’d spend on them.

  • Chris:

    “If your friend came to you and said, ‘Hey, I've got $150 StubHub credit. Would you buy it?’ You probably wouldn't buy it for $150, right?...These credits, are they really that valuable to me?” (14:22)

• How to Evaluate: Go through each card’s credits, ask “What would I actually pay for this?” only count those towards offsetting the fee.

5. Managing Cards During Life Transitions

• When Fees Hit, Re-Evaluate: Upon renewal, consider downgrading, retention offers, or cancellation—but don’t rush.
  • Chris:

    “Whenever an annual fee comes due, that is a good time to evaluate what should I do with this card… ask if there are any retention offers.” (17:38)

  • “Product change” to lower/no-fee versions can preserve credit history. (19:10–19:50)

6. Cash Back Card Standouts

• Bank of America Premium Rewards (if you have $100K with them):
  • 2.625% back across all spending (no fee), or 3.5% on travel/dining with some upscale versions. (21:46)
• Robinhood (3%) and others also mentioned.*

7. Balancing Optimization vs Simplicity

• Don’t Overdo It: Only optimize to the point where the time trade-off makes sense.
  • Chris:

    “I always ask myself, if I spend another five hours trying to save, like, $50...I could probably make more than $50” (25:20)

• “Good enough” and satisficing is healthy; don’t let the points game become a second job or take over leisure.
  • Use tools, quick comparisons (like checking portal vs. transfer value), and set mini deadlines to avoid optimization spirals.

8. Market Trends and the Future of Rewards Cards

• Luxury market is strong: Social media and higher expectations drive demand for upscale travel and luxury. More credits now focused on premium perks.
• Results of new card launches (e.g., Sapphire Reserve rebrand) are mixed: Hype for new perks and higher fees not always met with consumer enthusiasm.
• Capital One Offers Simplicity: Two straightforward cards with 2x points on everything, little fee-padding, and clean value proposition.
• Points Business Model: Airlines/hotels' loyalty programs are often more valuable than the airlines/hotel business themselves.

9. New Habits and Tools (Including A.I.)

• Retraining Yourself: Build the habit of checking for better deals (like buying points, stacking with portals) before travel bookings. Even pros forget sometimes!
  • Use AI tools (ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini) to help brainstorm hacks before big purchases/trips.
  • “Prompt Writing” Tips: Ask AI for “prompts to write better prompts”; request critical eye, not just positive affirmation. (51:07)
  • Consider building small extensions/tools (with AI help) to nudge you to check for hacks before big expenses. (53:18)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Couponization:

  “They got more generous, but also more complicated… premium cards are justifying fee hikes by stacking a bunch of credits.” — Paula Pant (60:09)

• On Welcome Bonuses:

  “The way to win in credit card rewards is that banks give you these massive bonuses when you open new cards... The welcome offers are going to be the thing that moves the needle.” — Chris Hutchins (03:45)

• On the Points Game’s Overwhelm:

  “People approached this like it was a second job…spending five, ten hours a week managing, tracking everything in these very complicated spreadsheets.” — Paula Pant (23:08)

• On Satisficing:

  “Satisficers are definitely happier than maximizers... If you have enough points to take a trip that's exciting, just take the trip. Don’t worry about whether it’s the best possible use.” — Chris Hutchins (23:58)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:47] – Premium card annual fees spike, couponization explained
• [03:45] – Why welcome bonuses matter more than earning more points in categories
• [05:46] – Flexibility in the points game & evolution of award booking tools
• [10:59] – Economy redemptions: now often a good use of points versus luxury
• [14:22] – How to value perks/credits on cards for your situation
• [17:38] – Dealing with cards and annual fees during transitions
• [21:46] – Best cash back cards, especially for certain bank customers
• [23:58] – Optimizing vs simplicity — don’t let points take over your life
• [32:58] – Demand for luxury vs. mass market; market is becoming “K-shaped”
• [35:12] – Chase Sapphire Reserve relaunch: lessons learned
• [41:24] – Points as a central business model for airlines/hotels

Three Key Takeaways

1. Premium credit cards have become more complex and expensive, with “coupons” and perks only truly valuable if you’d use them anyway.
2. The most effective way to leverage credit card points is by chasing lucrative welcome bonuses, not micromanaging category spending.
3. If the points pursuit feels like too much, cash back cards offer competitive value today with none of the stress.

Where to Learn More

• Chris Hutchins:
  • Podcast: All the Hacks
  • Newsletter: AllTheHacks.com

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