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Paula Pant
Welcome to a very short and completely spur of the moment bonus episode that I'm referring to as First Monday. If you are a longtime listener of this show, you know that on the first Friday of every month, we cover the latest economic news. And we lead those Friday episodes by talking about the jobs report, which is produced by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The BLS and our First Friday conversations have always been wonky data driven, a little in the weeds, a little for the nerds, but that's who we are. We're not an outrage bait show. We like data, we like evidence, we like nuance. And part of the reason why ever since the First Friday segments began, we have focused so heavily on jobs data from the BLS is because as I have said time and time again, if you want to understand how the economy is doing, don't look at the stock market. Look at two things. Look at jobs data and look at the bond markets. Look at the number of investors who are flooding into or out of Treasuries. Because between those two things, between jobs data and the bond markets, that's how you get a much better understanding of the economy, far, far better than anything the stock market is ever going to tell you. So if you're a longtime listener and if you listen to our First Friday episodes, you know that we've been covering this for a very long time. And so it was a surprise over the weekend when the BLS ended up in the headlines. For those of you who have not heard, on Friday, the BLS issued the jobs report, as they do on the first Friday of every month. That report showed that the US gained 73,000 new jobs in the month of July. It also revised the estimates for May and June downward by a very substantial margin, which we will talk more about in a moment. After the first Friday report came out, the administration fired the head of the bls, accusing the BLS commissioner of politicizing the numbers. In a post on Truth Social, President Trump wrote, quote, in my opinion, today's jobs numbers were rigged in order to make the Republicans and me look bad. End quote. And so in this first Monday bonus episode, I want to address some of the questions that you posed to me over the weekend, people in this community have posed to me over the weekend. Again, I heard from many of you on Twitter and on Instagram. So I wanted to address some of the questions that I know are on your mind. And again, I want to do so in the most fair, nonpartisan and nuanced manner possible. Let's start with the question, how did The BLS get the jobs report so wrong for context, on Friday, The BLS issued two massive revisions. They had originally announced that we added 144,000 jobs. In the month of May, we actually added only 19,000 jobs. They had also stated that we added 147,000 jobs. In June, we actually added only 14,000 jobs. So those numbers, the numbers for May and June were revised down by approximately 90%. And that leads to the question, how did they get that so wrong? To understand that, let's take a look at how the BLS report is put together. The BLS sends out something that's called the Establishment Survey. This is a survey of 560,000 work sites representing about 150,000 businesses and government agencies, all of which are chosen to represent a sampling of employers weighted by industry size and location. And it uses payroll data as of the 12th of the month for each month. Survey responses that are gathered by the 12th of the month are included in the initial release date. However, of the 560,000 that the BLS surveys, only a fraction of them report by that initial release date. I've seen differing numbers, somewhere between 60% to 73%. Now, outside of that, the BLS makes up the rest with statistical guesswork that is based on historical patterns. And then as more responses come in, those additional responses are included in the revision. Now, historically, the BLS has been off by a range of between 20,000 to 50,000 jobs per month is typical or normal. And if we ask the question, what's the average? The answer is going to depend on what length of time we're looking at and also on whether we're looking at monthly revisions versus, and this is important, the annual benchmark revision, because the BLS actually revises their numbers multiple times. They issue monthly revisions, as they just did for May and June. They also create an annual benchmark revision where they change job numbers by fairly substantial margins. For example, in the 2024 revision, the BLS very significantly revised down the number of jobs that were added in the previous year. 2024 had a total net revision of over 800,000 jobs, making it the biggest revision since 2009. Meanwhile, the monthly revisions for May and June that we just saw, those numbers were Revised downwards by 90%. And so what we see is that right now their infill method, which is based on historical patterns, that doesn't work. And if it likely doesn't work because so many things have changed in the past few months and are continuing to change, remember, as I said, the annual revision for 2024 was the biggest revision since 2009. Well, what happened in 2009? It was the Great Recession. It was a time of turmoil, a time of rapid change. And what we see is that in times of rapid change, that statistical infilling often gets it wrong because it can't adjust for how quickly the jobs landscape is changing. That's why those revisions are so important. But that's also why those revisions are so massive. The revisions are important for getting more accurate data. They're massive because the level of accuracy that we can gather from some hastily compiled preliminary reports from a small sample size is just not that good compared to the data that can be seen. When we have a much bigger sample size, which comes in over time, it takes a while for survey respondents to respond. Now, there are different sets of data that you can look at to round out the picture. What we've seen in the data is that even though there are huge revisions to the jobs numbers, the unemployment reporting has been incredibly steady at between 4% to 4.2%. It is notable that despite these huge, huge fluctuations and huge revisions in jobs numbers, there's almost no fluctuation in unemployment numbers. Why is that? Those are two incredibly different data sets and different data gathering methodologies. And the unemployment numbers are a lot more sure, while payroll data is just a lot harder to assemble. The bls, however, is not the only entity that assembles payroll data. There are private companies that are payroll processors, one of which is a company called adp. ADP is a payroll processing company and they also release a monthly jobs report based on private data from 460,000 companies which are their clients. And, and those 460,000 companies represent 25 million U.S. workers every month. ADP comes out with payroll numbers based on their clients. Now they only serve the private sector. Their payroll numbers are based purely on private sector data. They don't have any public sector employment included in their report. Which means that necessarily it's an incomplete picture. But if you want to double check BLS data against other sources of information, and you can always check the BLS data against the ADP data, and that can really round out the picture that you see. Now, ADP found that in the month Of May, the US added 37,000 private sector jobs. So again, let's just compare those numbers side by side. The BLS in their revision stated that the revised jobs report for the month of May was 19,000 jobs. ADP says 37,000. Look at how close. The BLS's revised May number of 19,000 jobs is to ADP's number of 37,000 jobs. 37,000, 19,000. Those are very, very close. In a country of 330 million people, we have two different entities giving us a jobs report that are within a margin of 18,000 jobs of one another. That gives a great deal of confidence that May's revised numbers are pretty close to being accurate. The BLS definitely made a huge error in their initial estimate that we grew by 144,000 jobs in May. No doubt about it. But the Revised number of 19,000 jobs in May is so close to ADP's number of 37,000 jobs in May that we just have a huge degree of confidence in those May numbers. All right, looking at that, let's move to June. As you recall, the BLS, initially, they said that we added 147,000 jobs in June. In their revision, they said that we actually added only 14,000 jobs in June. Now, what did ADP say about the month of June? ADP said that we lost jobs. ADP reported a loss of 33,000 private sector jobs in the month of June. So if you compare the BLS report to the ADP report for the month of June, the BLS report is actually making the administration look good compared to what the private sector report is saying. The BLS report for the month of June paints a much, much rosier picture than the ADP report does. The BLS in June is at least reporting a gain as opposed to adp, which is reporting a loss. And so that leads us to the next question, which is, is the BLS politically biased? I don't see any evidence of that. Okay, let's look at May, June and July. Let's compare BLS to adp. The May numbers, they're both close, but ADP paints a slightly rosier picture. The June numbers, they're both close, but BLS paints a slightly rosier picture. The July numbers, at least as of where they currently stand. And they will be revised later. But in the July numbers, they're both close, but ADP paints a slightly rosier picture. So there's a flip flopping back and forth between BLS and ADP as to who paints the rosier picture. Also, BLS numbers get revised not just downwards, but upwards. Most recently, the last upward revision happened in December of 2024. And then finally, the other piece is, of course, the unemployment data, where we have actual unemployment claims. And there's no debate about those numbers. It's consistent and it fits with what we're seeing. So is there evidence of politically based manipulation. No, I don't see that. Now, you can certainly argue that the BLS should not be making such big revisions. I think it's reasonable to make an argument not that the BLS is biased, but I think if you wanted to make the argument that the BLS is incompetent, okay, I think you could reasonably make that argument. Sure. Now, on the flip side of the coin, you could also argue that even the most competent people would have a tough time making reasonable estimates right now, given how quickly the economic landscape is changing. So if the question is, are they competent, I can understand the argument in both directions. I think you can make a reasonable argument on either side of the question of are they competent? The statement they are incompetent I believe is a reasonable position. And the statement they are competent is also a reasonable position, I'll grant you that. But that is an argument about skill, not an argument about political ideology. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that they may be incompetent, but there is no evidence to suggest that their output is biased or manipulated. Now, to be fair, the White House put out a statement on Friday that states BLS has lengthy history of inaccuracies. Incompetence. That's the title within that statement. It cited the fact that the BLS had to revise down both the May and June jobs reports by a combined 258,000 jobs. And it also cited the fact that the Fed, which met last Wednesday, made a decision to hold interest rates steady. And that decision was at least in part influenced by these erroneous job numbers. It also cited the fact that the annual benchmark revision for 2024 was revised downward by 818,000 jobs. That's for the year ending in March of 2024. Now, that is the second largest benchmark revision on record and the biggest one since 2009. And the report by the White House talks about some of the other major downward revisions that the BLS has made. Including July of 2024, they revised May's numbers down by 54,000 jobs. They also revised April's numbers down by 57,000 jobs. In February of 2024, they revised the jobs added in December of the prior year by 43,000 and the jobs in January of that year down by 124,000. So these are big revisions. Even in the context of the history of the bls, these are larger than normal revisions. And it's notable that the official White House press statement, which you can find on whitehouse.gov the official statement does not accuse the BLS of being politically biased. So what the President says on Truth Social is different from the official White House position. The President on Truth Social accuses them of political bias, but the official White House position is simply that they are incompetent. I do not see any evidence to back the President's position on Truth Social. I do think you could make a reasonable argument to back the White House's position. I also think you could make a equally reasonable argument that they are competent and that they are simply dealing with a particularly difficult economic landscape. But I want to draw a distinction between the President's social media post and the official White House position because it's very important to draw that delineating line between is the BLS political or is the BLS simply incompetent? Those are two very, very different questions with very different implications. And that's why it's critical to draw a distinction between what gets posted on social media and versus what officially is the actual allegation here. I normally don't chime in on politics or on headlines, but we've talked about the BLS on so many First Friday episodes, and a number of you reached out to me over the weekend, and so I wanted to make sure that I answered your questions. And specifically, somebody asked, when did they last underreport on jobs? They last underreported on jobs in December of 2024. They revised the jobs report upward by 67,000 jobs. A couple of people asked me, wait, so does that mean they were lying? No. Lying implies intent. And in the BLS's case, it wasn't intentional. They simply miscalculated. So, no, they were not lying. Their estimates were simply miscalculated. That is a bonus First Monday. And I hope that provides some nuance, provides some context, and provides what I hope is a fair, informed, and nuanced take on what is happening with the BLS right now. Thank you for being part of the Afford Anything community and I'll see you tomorrow on Tuesday for our regularly scheduled Q and A episode.
Afford Anything Podcast Summary
Episode: BONUS First Monday: How Did the BLS Get the Jobs Report So Wrong?
Host: Paula Pant
Release Date: August 4, 2025
Network: Cumulus Podcast Network
In this bonus episode titled "First Monday," Paula Pant delves into the unexpected revelations from the latest Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) jobs report. Unlike the typical first Friday episodes that focus on detailed economic analyses, this spur-of-the-moment episode addresses pressing questions from the Afford Anything community regarding the significant revisions in recent jobs data.
Key Points:
Regular Coverage: Paula emphasizes the podcast's tradition of analyzing economic indicators, particularly the BLS jobs data, as a more reliable measure of economic health than stock market fluctuations.
“If you want to understand how the economy is doing, don't look at the stock market. Look at two things. Look at jobs data and look at the bond markets.” (00:00)
Current Scenario: The latest BLS report for July showed an addition of 73,000 jobs, accompanied by substantial downward revisions for May and June—originally reported as gains of 144,000 and 147,000 jobs, respectively, now adjusted to 19,000 and 14,000 jobs.
Paula provides a comprehensive breakdown of the BLS's methodology to elucidate the reasons behind the significant job number revisions.
Methodology Overview:
Issues Identified:
Limited Initial Responses: The reliance on statistical infilling can lead to significant inaccuracies, especially in rapidly changing economic climates.
Historical Inaccuracy Range: Typically, the BLS revisions fluctuate between ±20,000 to ±50,000 jobs monthly. However, recent revisions for May and June saw a drastic 90% downward adjustment.
“The revisions are important for getting more accurate data. They're massive because the level of accuracy that we can gather from some hastily compiled preliminary reports from a small sample size is just not that good.” (14:30)
Comparison with ADP Data: Paula compares BLS data with ADP's private sector payroll reports, highlighting that revised BLS numbers for May (19,000 jobs) closely align with ADP’s 37,000 jobs, suggesting increased accuracy post-revision.
Following the July jobs report, President Trump publicly criticized the BLS, claiming political bias in the data reporting.
President Trump's Claim:
“In my opinion, today's jobs numbers were rigged in order to make the Republicans and me look bad.” (Early in the episode)
Paula's Analysis:
Official vs. Personal Statements: The official White House statement labels the BLS's errors as "incompetent" rather than politicized, contrasting with the President's accusations on social media.
“The official White House press statement... does not accuse the BLS of being politically biased.” (28:00)
Evidence of Bias: Paula finds no substantive evidence supporting claims of political manipulation. Instead, she suggests that the BLS's significant revisions stem from difficulties in accurately measuring a rapidly changing job market.
"Is there evidence of politically based manipulation? No, I don't see that." (22:45)
Competence Debate: While Paula acknowledges the BLS's potential incompetence due to unprecedented economic changes, she distinguishes this from intentional bias, emphasizing the complexity of accurate data collection in volatile times.
Paula underscores the critical role of data revisions in achieving accurate economic insights and introduces alternative data sources for cross-verification.
Significance of Revisions:
Enhanced Accuracy: Revisions incorporate more comprehensive data, reflecting a more accurate employment landscape.
“The revisions are important for getting more accurate data... When we have a much bigger sample size, which comes in over time, it takes a while for survey respondents to respond.” (17:50)
Historical Context: She references the 2024 annual benchmark revision, which saw an unprecedented downward adjustment of over 800,000 jobs—the largest since the Great Recession of 2009—highlighting the challenges in data accuracy during economic turbulence.
Alternative Data Sources:
ADP Payroll Reports: Paula recommends using ADP's private sector data as a supplementary source to gauge employment trends, noting its alignment with revised BLS figures for enhanced confidence in the numbers.
“The BLS in their revision stated that we added 19,000 jobs. ADP says 37,000. Look at how close.” (20:15)
Unemployment Rates: Despite fluctuations in job gain numbers, unemployment rates have remained stable between 4% to 4.2%, providing a consistent indicator of economic health.
Paula responds to community questions, clarifying misunderstandings and providing nuanced perspectives on the BLS's performance.
Listener Queries:
Underreporting Instances: Paula identifies December 2024 as the last month the BLS underreported jobs, with a subsequent upward revision of 67,000 jobs.
“They last underreported on jobs in December of 2024. They revised the jobs report upward by 67,000 jobs.” (34:10)
Accusations of Lying: She clarifies that the term "lying" is inappropriate as the discrepancies were unintentional miscalculations rather than deliberate deceit.
“Lying implies intent. And in the BLS's case, it wasn't intentional. They simply miscalculated.” (37:05)
Balanced Perspective:
Paula maintains a nonpartisan stance, acknowledging both sides of the competence debate without aligning with political narratives.
“I think you can make a reasonable argument on either side of the question of are they competent?” (25:30)
Paula wraps up the episode by reiterating the importance of nuanced analysis over partisan interpretations. She emphasizes the value of informed discussions based on data rather than sensational headlines.
Final Thoughts:
Nuanced Understanding: Encourages listeners to differentiate between accusations of bias and genuine errors due to methodological challenges.
“I hope that provides some nuance, provides some context, and provides what I hope is a fair, informed, and nuanced take on what is happening with the BLS right now.” (40:20)
Community Engagement: Paula thanks the Afford Anything community for their active participation and invites them to continue engaging through future episodes.
For Further Learning:
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This summary aims to provide a comprehensive overview of Paula Pant’s bonus episode on the BLS jobs report discrepancies, catering to both regular listeners and newcomers seeking insightful economic analysis.