Podcast Summary: “After Party with Emily Jashinsky”

Episode: Epstein Doc Dump Details, and Hasan Piker’s Rise, with Michael Malice, PLUS Getting Real About Groypers
Date: November 13, 2025
Host: Emily Jashinsky
Guest: Michael Malice (host of ‘You’re Welcome,’ author of ‘Not Sick of Winning’)

Episode Overview

This episode tackles three major themes:

1. The fallout and political intrigue surrounding the latest release of 20,000 Jeffrey Epstein-related emails,
2. The media buzz and controversy around leftist streamer Hasan Piker’s rise and his visit to China,
3. The “Groypers” debate and concern about alleged increases in antisemitism among young conservatives, plus firsthand reporting from Emily challenging viral statistics and narratives.

Emily and Michael bring irreverence, candor, and humor, while grappling with serious issues around media bias, political realignments, and generational divides.

Main Segments & Timestamps

I. The Epstein Email Doc Dump (03:28 – 26:00)

Key Points

• 20,000 Epstein Emails Released: New documents from Epstein’s estate were released – first a handful by House Democrats, then a massive dump by Republicans, leading to a day of feverish parsing by journalists.
• Media Coverage Oddities: Michael and Emily puzzle over an AP headline focusing on a Trump mention (“Trump knew about the girls”)—yet the article works unusually hard to offer Trump’s side.
  • Malice notes:
    • “I've never ... seen an AP piece where it honestly and fairly presents Trump's side of the story. I've never seen it before.” (06:47)
• Theories About Withholding Information:
  • Emily & Michael explore why both parties might want to keep some Epstein-related information secret; speculations range from bipartisan interest in protecting elites, to protecting the intelligence community, to the possibility of missing true “smoking guns.”
  • Malice: “If there’s a smoking gun, we would have heard about it repeatedly... The fact that we haven’t tells me ... maybe there’s something minorly embarrassing... But ... I don’t have a Venn diagram for what Joe Biden and Donald Trump are both desperate to stop from being released.” (07:06)
• Leaked Larry Summers–Epstein Email: Comedic analysis of an email where Larry Summers asks if Trump uses cocaine, and Epstein nonchalantly requests a Harvard tour for a Rothschild.
  • Emily: “You are Larry Summers. You don’t need to be thirst trapping in your email signature like that.” (09:45)
  • Malice: “If Emily, if I ever ask you if someone's using real cocaine, please do not respond within a minute asking for a tour of Austin. You will not receive one.” (10:04)
• On Information Suppression: The documents contain a lot of incriminating or embarrassing material (if not criminal), so there's strong incentive among many elites to limit or shape the release, lest “internet sleuths” connect dots that paint powerful people in a bad light.
  • Emily: “If there's a smoking gun ... they're going to do a 20,000 document dump and leave the one out.”
• Mysteries and Theories Around Trump & Maxwell: Speculation about email exchanges suggesting Trump knew about Maxwell’s activities, but no clear evidence of wrongdoing or collaboration with Epstein; Scott Adams theory (Trump leveraging info for blackmail) is dismissed for lack of “receipts.”
  • Malice: “If he’s a client ... I don’t see any reality where that’s not known or at least whispered about... things get out, it’s not a thing.” (15:27)
• Limits of the Doc Dumps: Discussion points to the likelihood that any truly damning material has either been destroyed, or was never captured in formal documents to begin with.

II. Media, Rebranding, and Political Cynicism (27:51 – 41:41)

Key Points

• Lighthearted Banter on Studio Decor: A brief, off-beat digression as Malice is “triggered” by Emily’s lit candle on a wooden bookshelf.
• Is the Right ‘Getting Sick of Winning?’ – Post-MAGA Disillusionment: Responding to growing online frustration and blackpilled commentary among Trump supporters post-midterms and after underwhelming policy accomplishments.
  • Malice presents his “cycle of disappointment,” where conservative influencers and supporters vow to dump Trump after disappointments, only to come back as the alternative (the left) appears less palatable. (30:51)
  • “I think MAGA and Trump are synonymous ... MAGA just means this loose collection of things that Trump kind of likes and Trump kind of doesn’t. I don’t think it’s, broadly speaking, a well developed ideology ... He’s a politician, not a philosopher.” (32:16)
• Importance of Critique from the Right: Emily notes that despite highly critical commentary from popular non-political podcasters, the right-leaning influencer class seems hesitant to critically examine Trump’s administration, with the exception of fringe figures (like Fuentes).

III. Hasan Piker, Gen Z, and Left Wing Populism (41:41 – 55:08)

Key Points

• Hasan Piker’s China Trip:
  • Hasan Piker, a popular leftist streamer, live-streams sympathetically from Tiananmen Square, remarking on China’s rapid growth and his lack of patriotism, in a segment Emily and Malice find “malevolent,” dismissing the whitewashing of Chinese state abuses as deeply troubling.
    • Hasan: “I don’t have any sort of patriotism ... for America. But just in general, I’m not a very, you know — I care about people. So for me it’s like, it’s hard to comprehend.” (44:00)
  • Malice retorts: “He’s standing on ... where ... young people who would have, in other contexts, been Hasan Piker fans, [were] mowed down by tanks and slaughtered... to be walking around there and ... be like, ‘oh, I don’t have any patriotism in my heart,’ it’s just like... you know what? So stay there.” (44:57)
• Younger Left’s Attraction to Populism: Explains Hasan’s appeal among Gen Z and young millennial progressives as a reaction to the uninspiring establishment of the Democratic Party, especially Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
  • Malice: “If the establishment of the Democratic Party hasn’t served me as a young person, I’m going to go with the guy who’s on the left who upsets them... makes them angry; that means he’s ... actually going to make a big difference.” (50:05)

IV. MSNBC’s “Ms. Now” Rebrand & The DEI Retreat (55:08 – 63:53)

Key Points

• MSNBC’s Comedy of Rebranding (to “Ms. Now”):
  • Emily and Michael roast an awkward “racial justice” themed ad for the channel, poking fun at meme-worthy branding (the endless “No...” ad).
  • Malice: “They should have fired Joy and Reed ... she could play both genders with that potato head... she could be a baby — just put her in a crib, just crop it. Babies love MSNBC.” (57:04)
• Nancy Pelosi’s Farewell: A Barometer of Party Shifts:
  • Malice points out that Pelosi, icon of San Francisco progressivism, virtually ignored the issue of gay rights and Black Lives Matter in her long retirement address—indicative, he argues, of how quickly Democrats shed activist baggage when politically needed.
    • “She does not mention the word gay, homosexual, LGBT or trans once ... She does not mention Black Lives Matter ... When she mentions diversity, they show a white family.” (57:41)
  • Malice: “Conservatives need to wake the F up... the Democrats are not dumb. The role of the Democratic Party is to seize and hold onto power, and they will throw anyone under the bus in order to do so.” (58:54)
  • Emily: “We’re going from kneeling in 2020 to barely even mentioning anything...” (59:59)
• On the Politics of Inclusion & Marginalization:
  • Malice provides examples of how quickly identity groups (e.g., BLM, LGBTQ) are abandoned or downplayed by Democratic leadership when they become inconvenient to power.

V. “Groypers” & the State of Gen Z on the Right (63:53 – 85:41)

Key Points

• Overblown Groyper Hysteria:
  • Emily scrutinizes recent commentary (especially that by Rod Dreher) claiming that 30-40% of young DC right-wingers are antisemitic “Groypers” or Fuentes acolytes — a number she and her sources find wildly inflated.
  • Reporting directly from DC, she offers seven on- and off-record source quotes from senior staffers in Congress and the administration, all contesting such claims:
    • “That is bullshit. And I’ve met with probably more Gen Z for coffee than 90% of the others.”
    • “The rising generation of conservative leaders in Washington are overwhelmingly not aligned with the ideas that conspire to scapegoat others for lack of ambition or achievement.”
    • “It might be around 9% at most, right? Not even double digits, which is still too many. I agree.”
  • Emily’s Take: “I do think it’s true there are some real struggles, especially among young men... looking for answers in nihilism or in fringe rightwing ideas—but ... this 30-40% figure ... is not anywhere close to my experience.”
  • On why fringe voices sometimes gain attention: lack of right-flank criticism of Trump, pushing some frustrated or critical young people to listen to contrarian figures like Fuentes, even if disagreeing with their ideology.
• Big Picture Prescription:
  • Emily urges the GOP to focus on restoring homeownership, economic opportunity, community belonging—issues that address the root “miseration” that leads youth to the online nihilism and extremism that pundits panic about.
  • “To pull people out of online nihilism and online irony poisoning... give people hope offline, talk about a better economy, and restore the fabric of civil society.”
• The Real Scope:
  • Ultimately, Emily’s reporting suggests the danger of overreacting to online “Edgelord” subcultures, and instead deals with the underlying alienation of youth—while not closing eyes to the need for accountability or vigilance.

Memorable Quotes

• Michael Malice on AP’s Epstein Coverage:
  “I have never ... seen an AP piece where it honestly and fairly presents Trump’s side of the story. I’ve never seen it before.” (06:47)

• Emily on Media Bias:
  “This isn’t adding up ... it’s like ... this is among the driest, but most biased [wires].” (06:56)

• Malice, The Cycle of MAGA Disappointment:
  “This happened before ... Trump pushed the vaccine, ‘I’m never going to vote for him,’ ... and then a couple years later [it’s]: ‘the left has gone crazy’...” (30:51)

• Emily on Fringe Right-Wing Influence:
  “A lot of people listen to Fuentes because there aren’t a lot of other right-wing folks who criticize Donald Trump... The longer people stay away from criticizing Trump from the right ... the more people end up turning to Fuentes.” (full context, ~78:00–80:00)

• Malice on Political Expediency:
  “All they care about is seizing and maintaining power. And for people who doubt this ... ask yourself ... if Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, or Chuck Schumer had to choose between whatever group you want and them having power ... what do you think they’re going to choose?” (62:39)

• Emily’s Summation on Groypers:
  “I just wanted to very respectfully ... push back on that 30 to 40% number. I do find it to be dangerous ... it is not reflective of our experience here in Washington, D.C. ... I hope that’s good news.” (85:00)

Final Thoughts

Emily and Michael navigate conspiratorial headlines, internet culture, and the fraught state of political discourse with both skepticism and humor. The episode is both a biting media critique and a counter to viral panic about youth politics, challenging listeners to go beyond Twitter and TikTok to assess real social trends. The underlying message: Don’t buy into overblown moral panics—focus on substance, and let common sense (and a little levity) prevail.

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