Hollywood’s Meltdown, Jerry O'Connell’s Awkward Admission, with Griffin Davis, PLUS Joy Reid’s SICK Take on Iran and Women

Summary

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After Party with Emily Jashinsky, Ep. 73

Hollywood’s Meltdown, Jerry O'Connell’s Awkward Admission, with Griffin Davis, PLUS Joy Reid’s SICK Take on Iran and Women
Date: March 17, 2026
Host: Emily Jashinsky
Guest: Griffin Davis (Executive Producer, Breaking Points)

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Episode Overview

In this lively, culture-soaked episode, Emily Jashinsky welcomes Griffin Davis, executive producer of Breaking Points, for a wide-ranging conversation balancing sharp media and pop culture analysis with irreverent humor. The duo digs through Oscars fallout, late-night comedy controversies, the psychology and politics of Hollywood, viral awkward celebrity moments, the implications of political betting platforms like Polymarket, and a viral take from Joy Reid on women’s rights in Iran and the US. The discussion weaves together big-picture critique, playful banter, and on-the-ground observations from the Hollywood media circus.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Controversies Over the Phrase “Epstein Class”

[00:53 - 19:28]

• Background: An opinion piece in the Washington Post criticizes politicians using the term "Epstein class" for allegedly associating exploitative wealth with Jewish identity.
• Emily’s Take:
  • Pushes back against overbroad accusations of antisemitism, describing it as “definition inflation.”
  • Notes “Epstein class” is commonly wielded against high-profile political figures from both sides (Bill Clinton, Donald Trump), not strictly code for antisemitic tropes.
  • Warns that overzealous speech policing makes meaningful conversation—and outreach to younger, censorship-wary Americans—more difficult.
• Quote:
  • “What is also reasonable is constant vigilance against word policing and censorship and suppression. And to say that use of a phrase like Epstein class has any overall undertone of antisemitism is absurd…” — Emily [07:56]
• Balance Needed:
  • Discusses the tension between vigilance against bigotry and against suppressing open discourse.
  • Pragmatically, she argues, cries of antisemitism here "aren’t even a good use of political capital.”

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2. The Right, Evangelical Power and the New ‘Conspiratorial’ Narratives

[14:01 - 19:42]

• AI-Generated Screed: Ted Cruz retweeted a conspiratorial post connecting criticism of Israel to deep evangelical theology.
• Emily Unpacks the Argument:
  • Finds the sweeping theological claims “factually ridiculous” and reflective of a current environment where imprecise, emotionally charged info metastasizes rapidly.
  • Notes that poorly-constructed arguments in support of Israel are “backfiring,” making persuasion harder.
  • Quote:
    • “I think few people are fully understanding where the criticism is coming from because they’ve closed their minds and dismissed a lot… as bigotry.” — Emily [18:36]

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3. Hollywood Meltdowns, Oscars Drama, and Class Tensions

[19:42 - 34:09] (with Griffin Davis)

• Oscars Night Recap:
  • “Everyone’s mourning Timothy. I mean, Mari Supreme Nothing. Nothing for Marty Supreme.” — Emily [23:05]
  • Griffin jokes that Timothee Chalamet’s “bratty” reputation and relationship with a Kardashian may have cost him among Hollywood elites.
  • The NYT op-ed suggesting Chalamet has become "declasse" sparks debate about changing Hollywood status norms.
• Hollywood’s Political Climate:
  • Griffin and Emily riff on the irony of "woke" culture sometimes being as offensive as it is progressive.
  • They satirize their plans for a coup at Breaking Points: "First it’s Sagar, then it’s Ryan, and then it’s Crystal.” [22:11-22:49]
• The “Culture of Narcissism”
  • Emily argues Hollywood and wider culture indulge in perpetual victimhood, referencing Christopher Lasch’s concept.
  • Griffin splits the difference: there’s genuine underrepresentation issues for Asian actors, but claims of invisibility can be overblown.
• Quote:
  • “Don’t let the politics ruin the art… you gotta separate the art from the artist, guys.” — Griffin [27:15]

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4. Late Night Comedy: Self-Parody and Cultural Irrelevance

[34:09 - 52:00]

• Jimmy Kimmel & Political Comedy:
  • Clips and analysis of Kimmel’s latest anti-Trump monologue and self-regarding Oscars bit. Both hosts bemoan the staleness of such content.
  • “Kimmel is so obsessed with these cringe, like, 2017 Trump jokes.” — Emily [40:34]
  • Griffin laments late night’s decline and the “millennial coda” of its comedic style—"it’s like earnest but ironic."
• Colbert’s Goodbye:
  • Variety review criticizes Colbert’s “ego trip” farewell tour as an ill-timed self-memorial.
  • Emily and Griffin agree Colbert devolved from sharp satirist to an institutional shill obsessed with belonging to the elite club.
  • “When you cast yourself as the protagonist, as a comedian, it’s kind of off putting…” — Emily [60:28]
• Satire and Impersonation:
  • Contrasts SNL’s lackluster Trump/Tucker impressions with more creative online parodies.
  • Griffin’s theory: Conservative comedians often fall flat because their jokes sound genuinely angry/resentful, whereas effective comedy—even if offensive—lacks hate.

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5. Jerry O’Connell’s Awkward Club Random Confession

[66:56 - 73:54]

• Memorable Quote:
  • “My wife and daughters—without saying anything—became… physical with me. This is a classic example of khive. They were filled with rage.” — Jerry O’Connell, quoted by Emily [67:20]
• Griffin’s Colorful Commentary:
  • “This is a classic K Hive scenario. They are jihadists. They are violent… They will dox you… They will black bag you and drag you to…” [68:44]
  • Both ponder: why are some liberal circles still hyper-defensive about 2020-2024 intra-party drama, while the Hollywood bubble seems frozen in time?
  • Griffin predicts a new “liberal radicalization” simmering beneath the surface despite overt conformity.

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6. Gambling, Polymarket, and the Rot of Institutional Trust

[74:43 - 81:32]

• War Reporting, For Sale:
  • Times of Israel report: journalists harassed with death threats by Polymarket bettors trying to sway coverage and win bets on the Iran conflict.
  • “It’s getting to, like, French Revolution levels of being taunted by the royals.” — Emily [77:09]
  • Griffin jokes: “Let’s keep building the ICE detention centers because we need somewhere to put all the Polymarket people.” [77:18]
• Macro Concern:
  • Widespread betting on world events erodes any remaining trust in media and democracy (“You can bet on it… Have fun, plebe. We’re running the world.” — Emily [79:17])
  • Both speculate election manipulation is inevitable as political betting (via Polymarket, Kalshi) becomes normalized.

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7. The Joy Reid “Marginal Difference” Take on Iran vs. US Women’s Rights

[87:41 - 96:57]

• Joy Reid’s Viral Clip:
  • “So we’re marginally better. And we’re doing it for Christianity, they’re doing it for Islam.” [clip paraphrased at 87:41]
• Emily’s Response:
  • Rebukes the “marginal difference” claim as “a slap in the face to the women who came before Joy Reid and actually solved repeatedly real problems.”
  • Cites Amnesty International and EU reports on Iran’s egregious legal restrictions on women; rebuts attempts to equate US and Iranian conditions.
  • “It is so insulting to minimize that and lose sight of it, especially for partisan purposes… an unnecessary erasure of real victories for women.” — Emily [95:51]
  • Argues too much political debate is now pathologically “glass half empty.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “To say that use of a phrase like Epstein class has any overall undertone of antisemitism is absurd…” — Emily [07:56]
• “Don’t let the politics ruin the art… you gotta separate the art from the artist, guys.” — Griffin [27:15]
• “Kimmel is so obsessed with these cringe, like, 2017 Trump jokes.” — Emily [40:34]
• “When you cast yourself as the protagonist, as a comedian, it’s kind of off putting…” — Emily [60:28]
• “This is a classic K Hive scenario. They are jihadists. They are violent…” — Griffin [68:44]
• “It’s getting to, like, French Revolution levels of being taunted by the royals.” — Emily [77:09]
• “It is so insulting to minimize that and lose sight of it, especially for partisan purposes.” — Emily [95:51]

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Additional Segment Timestamps

• [19:42] — Griffin Davis joins for pop culture/Hollywood deep-dive.
• [34:09] — Recap and critique: Oscars, late-night hosts, Kimmel/Colbert/Stewart, and the SNL “Tucker” sketch.
• [66:56] — Jerry O’Connell’s viral “Club Random” story.
• [74:43] — Polymarket, Iran war, media harassment, and the perils of betting markets.
• [87:41] — Breakdown of Joy Reid’s claims on women’s rights in Iran and the US.

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Tone and Style

The tone veers between sharp cultural critique and brisk, humorous banter, with Griffin’s comedic asides balancing Emily’s incisive, occasionally exasperated commentary. The episode threads lively gossip, policy nerdery, and big picture observation in a way that’s both entertaining for regular listeners and insightful for new arrivals.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

This episode offers a tour through the week’s most controversial pop culture and political moments—fractures in the media class, egos and bubbles in Hollywood, hot takes from both ends of the spectrum, and the ever-eroding trust in American institutions. If you want to gauge the temperature of elite media, catch up on what actually animates cultural divides, or just laugh at the self-parody of clubby LA liberals, start here.

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Transcript

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[Emily]

Welcome to After Party everyone. It's episode 73 if you can believe it. Tonight's guest is going to be Griffin Davis. He's our executive producer over at Breaking Points. This is going to be a fun one. We have lots of Oscars and culture talk to get to, so hang in there. Griffin will join us in just a couple of minutes. There's so much to go over. New video of Joy Reid that I'm going to talk about. You're going to want to hear what Joy Reid has to say about, I mean this, this was a wide ranging interview to be sure, but Joy Reid on women in Iran versus women in America. Spoiler. Little spoiler here. She says it's basically only a marginal difference. Incredible. We will get to that. Like I said, a lot of Oscars content to get to. Jimmy Kimmel made an appearance. Jerry o' Connell had some wild takes about his own personal life on Bill Maher's club. Random. That sounds like a fake sentence. And a horrible story about Polymarket in this recent Iran war. It's astounding. Should be one of the most talked about trends right now in the world. Period. Jim. Even Stephen Colbert, who I almost just confused with Jimmy Kimmel. Stephen Colbert is even being panned by critics now for his long drawn out exit year. We're going to talk about that with Griffin as well. First though, please remember to subscribe. It's very, very helpful and I'm very, very bad at reminding people to do it. So if you get a chance to throw us a subscribe on yout, we really appreciate it. Subscribe wherever you get your podcast. That's where you get our Friday only edition or our Friday audio only edition of the show Happy Hour. You can only get that on the podcast feeds. We just drop it there. So Likes, comments, reviews, all that help appreciate it, everyone. I want to start tonight with a story I've been thinking about a lot just in the last couple of days, putting this up on the screen. Jimmy Kerk dropped this opinion piece for the Washington Post not too long ago. This was, it was, it was about a month ago and it started to really pick up steam just late last week. And Ro Khanna, Democratic Representative Ro Khanna was getting a lot of heat and the debate was over this term, the quote, Epstein class. You've heard Ro Khanna use the term Epstein class a lot. You've heard Representative Thomas Massie, who's been on our show just the last couple of weeks, use that term a lot. It's clearly the intentional kind of public relations term of the anti Epstein effort. Right? Like, this is clearly something they thought about. It's clearly something they thought communicated the anti Epstein campaign well. And it's caught on certainly among Democrats, many of whom were not interested in talking about Epstein at all when it was a right coded story. And if anything, it was dismissed by many of those folks as a conspiracy theory. And they're now, of course, eagerly, eagerly making the most out of it, talking about the Epstein class at every possible turn. But the line in this piece that I think is most egregious is, let me just pull this up. Yeah. So kick wrote that Ro Khanna, politicians such as Representative Ro Khanna have begun to talk about the, quote, Epstein class. The phrase can be taken as an association of exploitative wealth with Jewish identity. So if you use the phrase Epstein class, as many Democrats have done, Republicans like Thomas Massie, it can, quote, be taken as an association of exploitative wealth with Jewish identity. Like I said, over the last, I don't know, like five days or so, Roe has been taking a crazy amount of heat for the phrase Epstein class. And people were seriously accusing him, as Kirchik did here, of wielding an anti Semitic phrase in his quest to get maximum transparency in the Epstein case, which is something, again, that was right coded for a very long time because it was about this group of global elites who were operating an anti lowercase d Democratic effort in the background of the daily news cycle. They're operating on their own outside of, again, the lowercase D Democratic control of their governments to change world affairs. So there is plenty of reason it is eminently reasonable for Jews around the world to be constantly vigilant about anti Semitism, just as I think it is eminently reasonable for black Americans to be constantly vigilant about racism, Jim Crow is in. Is within living memory of some people, very elderly people, but some people who are still alive. The Holocaust, the industrial effort to genocide the Jewish people happened within living memory of people who are still here. That constant vigilance, especially in an age of nuclear power, is again eminently reasonable. What is also reasonable is constant vigilance against word policing and censorship and suppression. And to say that use of a phrase like Epstein class has any overall undertone of antisemitism is absurd given the way that Epstein class has already been wielded for weeks and weeks. Of course there are anti Semites picking up on the term. You'll notice the Iranian regime itself is having a field day in its propaganda with Epstein related attacks on the United States. Of course anti Semites are using it. But who are the two most high profile? So when conservatives talk about the Epstein case, who is the most high profile of the Epstein himself, person accused of wrongdoing or most high profile person conservatives believe is seriously implicated in the scandal? It's Bill Clinton. When Democrats talk about the Epstein class, who is the person they think is most seriously implicated? It's Donald Trump, it's Prince Andrew, it's Adnan Khashoggi, Peter Thiel, Peter Attia. But just in the most basic sense, the biggest target of partisan attacks on the Epstein class from the left is Donald Trump. And the biggest tack, the biggest target of attacks on the, quote, Epstein class from the right is Bill Clinton. So in this case, constant. You have to balance, of course, your constant vigilance against very real and enduring forms of bigotry with constant vigilance against very real and enduring forms of speech suppression. I talk here all the time about what I call definition inflation and it's very easy to happen for partisan purposes. It's very easily, it's very easy to get caught up in. When you're on algorithmic based social media and you have an ideology, as I do, it's very easy to get caught up in definition inflation because the algorithm prizes extremity, condemnation or endorsement. And in this case, calling someone an anti Semite, our brains are, or saying a phrase is anti Semitic, our brains are conditioned to see that as a better way to get engagement. And you're not thinking that consciously as you do it, but you've been wired to go towards one or the other. And this isn't new to algorithmic based social media, but it is, it's. It's humanity, but it is being fueled and intensified by it. So it's easy to engage in definition inflation, but that's where the definition of something like racism goes from just saying, oh, you are arguing a person is less than because of their race, or you are arguing a person is less than because they're Jewish anti Semitism, to you are arguing that a person is going to have a disparate outcome because of this policy. And I think that's discriminatory and racist. Right? Like that's different from saying somebody is acting on the belief that a person of another race or ethnicity is less than on the basis of that. The definition in most people's minds is what I just described, thinking somebody is less than because of their immutable characteristics, because of their race, their ethnicity. But you can inflate the definition. When you do inflate the definition, what you're often talking about is disparate outcomes or you're talking about giving a weapon to somebody who could use it for racist purposes. It doesn't make it categorically racist. You may say, be more careful with that because it's advancing a trope. But to call it categorically, what is it? Here, let me, let me re read this line. Something that can, quote, be taken as an association of exploitative wealth with Jewish identity. Epstein class. It's two words, Epstein class. And again, it's mostly used against the Clintons and the Trumps. There's the two most high profile partisan targets of the Epstein class as a pejorative. Some people may remember not long before Charlie Kirk was killed, he did a kind of focus group at a Turning Point conference to get to the bottom of why younger conservatives seemed to be less and less supportive of Israel as the Gaza war went on. And what he heard, you can go back and watch it. It's on YouTube, it's on social media. What he heard was people felt like they were being told in many cases they can't say this, they can't say that. So just on a practical level, I mean, I feel like I've already made my moral argument for why it's wrong. But even on a practical level, I understand balancing constant vigilance against bigotry and constant vigilance against censorship. I think that's what we have to do. And in this case, I don't think there's factual basis for the claim, but also it is making it very difficult to talk to young people who are even more vigilant about suppression because of the time period they grew up in the speech environment that many conservatives rightfully diagnosed as a poor one and were dismissed by people on the left for a long time because they grew up on under that they're extra, extra sensitive to it. And so pragmatically, again, having already covered the moral question, pragmatically, it is making it much more difficult for people who support Israel to find what's the right way to put it, to find open minds among younger people and to successfully make their argument. So pragmatically, it's not even a good use of argumentation. It's not even a good use of, of capital, political capital. So I want to talk about that because it's, it's really been grading the last couple of days. I mean, for example, let me put this up on the screen. Senator Ted Cruz reposted this AI clearly AI drafted screed by an account called Insurrection Barbie on X. And Senator Cruz said, read every word of this. It's the best and most comprehensive explanation of what we're fighting. Catholics were really upset about this. Many Catholics that I know were really upset about this. Many Catholics who are generally pro Israel were really upset about this because it gets into some weird conspiratorial musing. But it doesn't present it as musing. It presents it as a matter of fact about where criticism of Israel is coming from on the right. And it is like, it's really like Russia. It's, it's, it's Rachel Maddow in the middle of Russia gate level conspiratorial thinking. It's like Steve Bannon met with Alexander Dugan in Russia for four hours and everything is downstream of that. I'm paraphrasing it it a bit, but just this one section, not even talking about Catholics, but this one section jumped out at me. It said, you cannot dismantle evangelical political power without first delegitimizing evangelical theology. The movement's entire political architecture rests on a theological claim that God made an eternal unconditional covenant with the Jewish people, that the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy and that Christians who, quote, bless Israel are obeying a direct divine command. Remove that conviction, you remove the moral engine that has driven evangelical political engagement for half a century. This is why this is. I don't know what Insurrection Barbie's faith background is, but that jumps out to Protestants, evangelical Protestants especially, as just factually ridiculous to say the entire political architecture of American evangelicals rests on the theological claim that the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. That is utterly absurd. Is it an important part of evangelical political activism? Yes, it absolutely has been. I think some of it, unfortunately so, because I'm not a dispensationalist, but I think even dispensationalists would object to this characterization that the movement's entire political architecture rests on a theological claim, quote, that the modern state of Israel is a fulfillment of biblical prophecy. There's just a lot of imprecise information flying around and it's not easy for anybody. I'm not perfect, don't take me as saying that. But I absolutely think some of these ill conceived bludgeons are backfiring from people who are trying to make an argument in support of Israel. And I think partially that explains why we're not seeing improvement, that we're not seeing that their argumentation is, is successful in the polling. And I think because some of it is the sort of, it is not the, the pragmatic approach you would take if you fully understood where the criticism is coming from. And I think nobody is, not nobody. But I think few people are fully understanding where the criticism is coming from because they've closed their minds and dismissed a lot of where it's coming from as bigotry. And of course, some of it is. Of course some of it is. But you can't dismiss a lot of the well meaning, well intentioned, decent people who did not like what they saw over the course of the Gaza war and don't like what they're seeing right now. And that might be tough to grapple with. And you may think that it's being fueled by anti Semites, but to categorically dismiss everybody who's finding themselves uncomfortable with the foreign policy direction as anti Semitic, you will not make your argument as well as you could. So I want to make that point because it's driving me crazy. It's driving me crazy, crazy. All right, going to take a quick break and then we'll be back with Griffin in just one second. 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[Emily]

We're joined now by Griffin Davis. He is our executive producer over at Breaking Points. And Griffin, you dabble in the biz yourself, don't you?

[Griffin Davis]

What biz is that? Political podcasting.

[Emily]

The Epstein biz.

[Griffin Davis]

Oh, the Epstein. Well, I'm glad that you covered the. The e slur, because that kind of language has no. There's no space for that language here. Okay?

[Emily]

It's about time.

[Griffin Davis]

That's their word. Okay. Only that. Only they are allowed to use that word. Okay. And we, by they, I mean the Epstein class. So sorry. I'm so sorry. We just got demonetized off YouTube.

[Emily]

It was a serious infraction. That's strike one. Where can people find your non breaking points work before we dive in?

[Griffin Davis]

Oh, God. I don't know why you'd want to, but I do make sketch comedy videos. Have you heard of it? It's like snl, but. But. But woker. It's what. It's woke up in snl, actually. It's a. Goes all the way around the horseshoe back to being offensive. So that's what I do. Yeah, in my spare time.

[Emily]

Yes. You know, people don't give Woke enough credit for being incredibly offensive, which I

[Griffin Davis]

think we might get into on this show. I'm very excited with the lineup that you have here. Big Hollywood Night. Last night.

[Emily]

That's right. And yeah, Griffin is the woke king of the Hollywood Hills. And we should start. Actually, Griffin, give us the brief story of how you ended up EP at Breaking Points. As somebody who's kind of in the

[Griffin Davis]

comedy world, Crystal and Sagar are terrible businessmen, terrible judges of character, and they, they just responded to an email of mine and I had no business getting the job and I have no business being on this show. And that's. That's kind of my deal. So I'm excited. Yeah.

[Emily]

So, okay. But you went to film school. You know, some stuff.

[Griffin Davis]

Oh, you're trying to give me like some sort of, like a status or expertise. Trying to give you a conversation.

[Emily]

So people are like. People are like.

[Griffin Davis]

People come connect. Are people connected? Well, you know, I don't know. I mean, I've made films. I was on working on YouTube before. Now I'm on Breaking Points. Me and Emily do a lot of the Friday shows. Me and Emily right now are kind of quietly planning a little bit of a revolt. We're going to take over the show. So it's just me and Emily. We're going to slowly kick the hosts off one by one. Emily, who do you think is the weakest host for us to kick off first? Maybe Sagar.

[Emily]

Yeah, I mean, it has to be Sagar. It has to be Sagar.

[Griffin Davis]

You take Sagar out first and then probably Ryan, because we could, like, distract him pretty easily or we could trick him into thinking he's still doing the show or something like that.

[Emily]

Also, Ryan just wants to. He just wants. He just wants to have fun. So you could dangle a fish tour in front of him.

[Griffin Davis]

And he just wants to catch my. I just want to catch my fish. That's Ryan's catchphrase.

[Emily]

That's right.

[Griffin Davis]

And then I think Crystal. Crystal's probably the final boss. It's probably going to be hard to get rid of her, but I'm feeling confident. I think we just tire him out.

[Emily]

She's got that MSNBC muscle memory in her brain, so, yeah, it's hard to beat. Well, what are the vibes like? Give it. Give us a pretend. You're like the. The Hollywood correspondent here. Griffin, you give us an update. Hollywood is.

[Griffin Davis]

What are we wearing tonight?

[Emily]

Everyone's mourning Timothy. I mean, Mari Supreme Nothing. Nothing for Marty Supreme Nothing.

[Griffin Davis]

Which is kind of the funniest, almost thematic way it could go. Right. It's kind of the most Marty supreme ending is that he didn't win in the movie and he didn't win here. And I feel, I feel a spoiler. I feel bad for Timothy. He has to go back home and make love to a Kardashian and, you know, be in the biggest box office movies every single year. So it's tough to be him right now. And I'm just hoping that he. I'm hoping he has to go back and do another gay role and maybe that'll be the Oscar.

[Emily]

I don't think you have to like twist his hand into that, though. I think he's actually. This is interesting because the New York Times had this op ed about how Charlemagne has kind of declassed himself. Like he's become like very declasse and sort of uncouth. He's dating a Kardashian. He's been. Last year when he won his Oscar. He's saying, I want to be one of the greats. Sort of putting himself in contention for a, I don't know, reputation at the upper echelon of Hollywood greatness. And he does it backfire. I mean, the votes were in, I think, before the opera ballet bullshit. McConaughey interview. But is that why Mari supreme was shut out? Was this a, A revolt of the elites against the common man?

[Griffin Davis]

Absolutely. Sure, yeah. Against the common man of Timothee Chalamet, the working class man who went to acting school and then became famous at 19 or something? Yeah, I think so. I mean, are you, are you saying that maybe the Hollywood is starting to find him to be too reality TV and, and not, you know, the mysterious a lister that, that you're supposed to be?

[Emily]

That's what the New York Times was suggesting. Just suggesting. I don't know, I think maybe they just find him to be a brat now.

[Griffin Davis]

Well, I mean, I was always kind of not in. Not like I, I was always like, do I like this guy? And then every time he kills it. I like the Bob Dylan movie. I like. I like basically everything he's ever been in.

[Emily]

So I thought it was great in Marty Supreme. I didn't think Marty supreme was great, but I thought he was great in it. Who.

[Griffin Davis]

Who won over him? Sorry, I should know this. I watched last night. Do you remember?

[Emily]

You are so useless.

[Griffin Davis]

He was up for best actor, right?

[Emily]

Yeah, he was up for best actor and it was. I should know this too. We both watched.

[Griffin Davis]

Well, I know Sean.

[Emily]

Something about. Oh, yeah, it was Sean Penn. That's right.

[Griffin Davis]

No, no, no. Sean Penn. Supporting. Best supporting. And didn't show.

[Emily]

Michael B. Jordan. Michael B. Jordan.

[Griffin Davis]

It's. It was Michael B. Jordan's thing. He Played twins. It was awesome. Did you see how mad people are? Like a bunch of like, people are mad that he ate in and out after.

[Emily]

Why would they be mad about that? Isn't that like a post Oscars tradition

[Griffin Davis]

is literally the Hollywood tradition. But it goes to show you that the majority of the of, like the hate accounts online now are like from India or Portugal or something, so.

[Emily]

Well, that's fair. Let me actually ask you a big picture question. What do you think it is that the right gets most incorrect if you had to pick one thing about.

[Griffin Davis]

I can't think of a single thing.

[Emily]

No, no. About Hollywood. I know you're generally like, you're, you're, you're sort of in the manosphere and becoming increasingly reactionary, but if you had to pick one thing.

[Griffin Davis]

Conservative with a conscious. Yeah. Compassionate compassion. Yeah. If I had to pick one thing that the right doesn't get about or

[Emily]

gets wrong, like, misunderstands. Hmm.

[Griffin Davis]

I don't know, like, what are the big right wing complaints that it's all like, too woke or whatever? Like that's, that's kind of over. Like, I don't know, like, were they mad that, like everything all at once, like, won a couple years ago? Like, what are you. Tell me, what are the big conservative gripes with Hollywood at this moment? Because, I mean, they're getting fully satisfied with the Daily Wire movies. Those are, those are, you know, bangers. It's like a temu. Game of Thrones. So I like all that. Yeah. I don't know. I think if I were to tell conservatives one thing, it's that Hollywood is run by liberals and that doesn't represent my politics, and I don't need my politics to be represented in a movie. Like, I know what I think and like, the goal of watching movies is maybe to, like, think about how other people think and other experiences. So I don't know. Like, I also love watching the conservative movies. I love God's Not Dead. I think that one was a blast. You know, I watched Melania. You didn't. You know, I love, I love, I love all sorts of movies. I love Mel Gibson movies. So, you know, you got to separate the art from the artist, guys, or you're, or you're going to be missing out on so much great art.

[Emily]

What's your favorite Mel Gibson movie?

[Griffin Davis]

I mean, listen, on after party, it's Passion of the Christ, baby.

[Emily]

No. Do you want to hear something crazy? I snuck into Passion of the Christ.

[Griffin Davis]

Oh, because you were too young.

[Emily]

Yeah, but I had to take it to another movie. And I just walked in. I didn't stay. But yes, I. Sneaking in the pasture of the Christ is a. That's not an omen for a positive behavioral pattern in the future.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, you're the, you were the bad girl on the wrong side of the track, sneaking into Passion of the Christ. That's what I know. Me, I. Some people were like, who? People who went to like, hate watch, review the Melania movie, said that they, like, they didn't want to financially support it, so they bought a ticket to something else and then snuck into Melania. And I said, you know what? Own it. I bought two tickets. Okay. I paid twice.

[Emily]

Well, okay, so here's a. I think here's a fair fertile ground for conservative criticism of Hollywood. And I'm curious what you take about this. So the K Pop Demon Hunters creator co director went up to the podium last night and as she was accepting her award said this. S1 thank you to the Academy and to all the fans who got us here. And for those of you who look like me, I am so sorry that it took us so long to see us in a movie like this. But it is here. And that means that the next generations don't have to go longing. This is for Korea and for Koreans everywhere. I mean, Griffin, far be it from me to promote a John podoritz tweet, but f0, he pointed out six years ago, Parasite won everything. Four years ago, the supporting actress from Minari won. There are so many examples of Korean American, Asian American successes in Hollywood that I would be a bit irked. If I were, for example, part of Parasite and heard that from her last night, I'd be like, hey, what the hell is going on? It reminded me, and I know you're going to love this one, Griffin, of Rachel Ziegler, your favorite actress, claiming she grew up without Latina beauty icons. As did you, by the way. I know that was a problem in your life. S3 oh, that's the next story. I had younger. Yeah. My approach to beauty was a lot more shaped by what I was wearing, witnessing in big pieces of media. So it was covers who was in the beauty commercials, Vogue movies, and was considered like the most beautiful movie star at the time. It was definitely very Eurocentric As I was growing up and being a young Latina, that was hard because not a lot of people looked the way. If you're listening to this, they didn't have bushes. There's all of these magazine covers. So as successful Latino women within myself, which is really nice and I'm sure the dawn of the Internet is both a helpful and hurtful thing for that, because I was able to find other people like me. But then I was also opened up to a whole other world of comparison.

[Griffin Davis]

I love some conservative guy, like, and

[Emily]

that's been really helpful putting it together.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, just like, some conservative guy going, all the Latina women Googling all the Latina women, like, and just like. Like, some guy learned Jennifer Lopez.

[Emily]

Yeah.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah. Some guy learned Premiere Pro. He was so angry. He learned Premiere Pro. I love that. I love. I love when conservatives get a little editing style.

[Emily]

So here's my theory of the case. This is not a conservative, or this isn't a sort of specifically political liberal phenomenon, but it's Christopher Lash culture of narcissism, something that's been diagnosed for many years, which is this idea that it's always year zero because we have conditioned ourselves to lose perspective and cast ourselves as. As victims, when we are not always victims. Sometimes we are victims. We're not always victims. And with millennials, which you and I both are, there was just a kind of cash to that. Like, if you go back and read old buzzfeed articles, it was like that. That part of life was, I think, overemphasized. This is my theory of the case. What say you, Griffin? Hmm.

[Griffin Davis]

Well, I don't think there was, like, in the recent history, Ben, you know, like, a big problem with Latin. Latin X representation. I'm bringing it back. But I do think Asian representation. There is a case for, like, they're. They're like, you know, like, they have been winning some of the big movies, but, like, there are less Asian. Asian people in movies. And I mean, we used to have Jackie Chan, like, one of the. One of the greatest of all time. He was funny, he was hot, and he could, like, jump off a building. So they're out there, but we haven't. We haven't put them in as many movies. So I think there's probably a better case for the. For the K pop demon Hunter woman than Rachel Zegler, who is still. I mean, I got to say, so beautiful. I love when. I love when people online are, like, trying to, like, make her not hot. They're like, this is the ugliest woman I've ever seen. Have you ever seen those for some reason?

[Emily]

Yeah, it was like Sydney Sweeney. It was like, around the same time period, people were debating whether both of them were mid. And, like, they're both hot. Let it, let it go.

[Griffin Davis]

Like, come on rock. And at the end of the day again, guys, like, don't let the politics ruin the art. Rachel Zegler's voice is. Is angelic. It's one of it. It's life changing. She. When you hear her sing a song, it's so fucking incredible. So I don't care whatever stupid shit she says, like, it's awesome. She's a great singer.

[Emily]

See, this is saying you don't care what she says. That's, I feel like the heart of it. We don't really have to care about what anybody says. Even Jimmy Kimmel. Let's roll. S6. He made a little. He. He showed up, did a whole bit about how he thought he was the host and it was actually Conan and made a couple of jokes that I'm going to roll Essex.

[Griffin Davis]

Let's start with Free Jimmy. We hear a lot about courage at shows like this, but telling a story that could get you killed for telling it is real courage. As you know, there are some countries whose leaders don't support free speech, which I'm not at liberty to say, which. Let's just leave it at North Korea and CBS.

[Emily]

Okay, let's then roll. S7. Jimmy Kimmel, are you exhausted?

[Griffin Davis]

Am I exhausted by the state of the world and knowing every night you've got to say something looking in my face? Yes, I'm exhausted. Of course it's ridiculous. We live in a ridiculous country. 3. We always lived in a ridiculous country, but it was always ridiculous in a fun Mr. T kind of way. Now we've got a different Mr. T. Yeah, Mr. T. Wow. I didn't think of it as a Mr. T. Well, you know what? That's. That's why I had to host the show. Are you scared? No, I'm not scared. No, I'm not scared. You're hopeful. Am I hopeful? I don't. I'm always hopeful.

[Emily]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Griffin Davis]

I'm always hopeful.

[Emily]

Okay, so Griffin, the first.

[Griffin Davis]

No, that was that he was interviewed at seacot.

[Emily]

Right.

[Griffin Davis]

He was in the prisons there.

[Emily]

That was him. Yes, that was. That was Jimmy Kimmel live from. See cot. I'm glad you caught that because I wasn't going to mention that. I thought it was a lot.

[Griffin Davis]

I could tell from the background. Yeah.

[Emily]

You know, people do wear fancy jewelry at seacot, much like the. Much like at the Oscars, but they tend to be on the different side of the Trump administration. So that was a joke about Kirsty Noem.

[Griffin Davis]

I. Oh, now, okay, I'm getting it. God. Well, do you remember her massive. Rest in peace.

[Emily]

Remember her massive. Like she had the, she just the, the watch that was like a $20,000 watch or something when she was at Seacon.

[Griffin Davis]

Another Oscar snub Kristi Gnomes ad. They spent like 50 million of that 200 on the the for your consideration campaign.

[Emily]

There was less AI in that ad than in some of the Best Picture Nobody. It's. Yes. So this comes in the context, I will say, of this Trump post on Truth Social over the weekend where it's just unfortunately proving the Jimmy Kimmel jokes correct, which is the worst thing that could come out of my mouth, believe me, where he says he's so thrilled to see Brandon Carr, who's been on the show, chairman of the Federal Communications Commission, looking at the licenses of some of these corrupt and highly unpatriotic quote, news organizations. They get billions of dollars of free American airwaves and use it to perpetuate lies both in news and almost all of their shows. I'm just going to pause and say that is in the context of like a 150 word post about the, quote, fake news getting stories on Iran. Incorrect. And there he then goes on to call them unpatriotic. There's this entire Tucker Carlson story floating in the ether right now we haven't quite gotten to the bottom of. Tucker says he thinks he's being referred. There's a criminal referral being drafted by him potentially for communicating with sources in Iran. The CIA is involved, according to Tucker's reading of what's happened. So I don't think it's unfair to read that as Trump directly connecting coverage that's unfavorable to him over the war to then Brendan Carr checking the licenses of the, quote, news organizations, as the president puts it, which by the way, Griffin, you and I both agree they are news organizations in air quotes. We can agree with the President on that one. Yes.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And varying degrees of patriotism. I mean, I think, Brendan, if you're listening, I do think that there is the most unpatriotic is, is cbs. I mean, it's run by Israeli Ambassador Barry Weiss. I have not seen Tony's birth certificate, but I hear that he's had a, had a name change. I think he took his wife's last name. So I need to check his birth certificate. And yeah, so I think, Brendan, let's, let's clear house, let's clean, let's clean this up. And then with Tucker I get, and it's like Tucker and then like Don Lemon got arrested. I'm so jealous of that. I would love for Emily to be arrested?

[Emily]

No, I was gonna say I would love for you to be arrested. I thought that's what.

[Griffin Davis]

No, I want you to be arrested on. On Breaking Points. If you got pulled off set, like, mid taping. Oh, my. Could you imagine the subscribers? Could you imagine the growth? Like, it's incredible. I think Don Lemon hit, like, 2 million subscribers. He's been doing this for, like, six weeks. Like, come on.

[Emily]

Well, what should we.

[Griffin Davis]

Someone arrested on the show?

[Emily]

What sacred space should we livestream inside of Uninvited? That's an interesting idea.

[Griffin Davis]

A sacred space. Like.

[Emily]

Like a church.

[Griffin Davis]

I've always wanted to go.

[Emily]

No, like a church. That's. That's what we would have to do to be on Don Lemon's level, to be fair.

[Griffin Davis]

Oh, what are we gonna storm? Oh, okay.

[Emily]

Well, live stream. Live stream. Because we know how to use live streaming equipment. We proved that in spades at the dnc. So this is a. This is a good question.

[Griffin Davis]

I would love to storm the detention center where Tucker Carlson is being held. Like, you know, I think that would be. That would be such an eclectic group of people. It'd be. It'd be so fun. Like, maybe memories forever. I think it'd be awesome.

[Emily]

Let's hope it doesn't get to that. But, Griffin, in all seriousness, the Kimmel. Well, not all seriousness. In seriousness, the Kimmel.

[Griffin Davis]

The Kimmel thing.

[Emily]

The Kimmel thing is so annoying because for him, he's been doing this before. It's kind of like getting into boy who cried wolf territory. Like, Trump has been threatening broadcast licenses since his first administration. I don't like it. Brendan Carr has been threatening it. That didn't happen in the first administration. People think that's different this time around. I don't think it's an overly wonderful state of affairs. I do think we should just change the law so you don't give people partisan bludgeons to use against their enemies when the law is, at this point, ridiculous because there's no scarcity left in the airwaves. So the public interest standard is crazy. Brendan Carr said on the show that he thinks that should be re. Looked at, but in the meantime, he says he has the duty to do it. So get rid of the law. Anyway, all that is to say, Griffin, it's just like, Kimmel is so obsessed with these cringe, like, 2017 Trump jokes. And I feel like that's also one of the things that makes people still kind of hate Hollywood, even though he's not wrong in this case. It's like, it Feels self aggrandizing. I don't know.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, I, I do like hate how bad the late night hosts are because I do love the concept and format of like a late night show, but I think that they've been so bad that people are just gonna like erase the format forever. But you can see like on YouTube,

[Emily]

I mean, literally, they're canceling. They're canceling. Not just Colbert, they're canceling the whole show. That's a good point.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, so that's a, that's a bummer. I also get frustrated with the, I mean, a, like, do you like, I'm not sure what you think if you think that the Brendan's gonna do it or not. I think they're kind of giving Jimmy like free airtime by, you know, constantly targeting him in the same way that like people targeted, targeted Trump and that gives him free airtime, but. And like makes it more, makes it more relevant. But like the thing that's annoyed me outside that conversation is like every liberal that I know in LA who like for the last two years of the Israeli genocide were just like, oh, I actually don't pay attention to the news that much. Then the Jimmy Kimmel thing happened. Everyone's posting on Instagram, everyone's a news consumer again. But then, oh, some 19 year old Palestinian girl gets black bagged for writing a school essay.

[Emily]

Oh,

[Griffin Davis]

like it's, that's, that's what's really infuriating to me is like, no one really gives a shit about any of this stuff unless it's like a celebrity.

[Emily]

Right? If it's a circus. Yeah. Like the Ramesa Oz Turk example that you were, I think, just alluding to versus Kimmel. And I would go further and say somebody on the right without giving it to the Rachel Ziegler victimhood complex who watched all of the free speech warriors. The newfound free speech warriors spend the Biden administration having very little concern, if anything actually encouraging. What was the, what was the name of the lady who was the. She was like the disinformation czar that was appointed by Biden at one point. And then she disputed that she was a disinformation czar, but she was very clearly a disinformation czar. They were cheerleading the reporters, like digging up people's old posts. Everything you said was, was. Yeah, Nina Jankowicz. Thanks, Kelly. Pretty sure Kelly just looked that up. How could we forget Nina Jankowicz?

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, how could we forget a personal

[Emily]

hero of yours, Griffin, who I'm sorry to have impugned, but it was constant. And I don't know, is it like TikTok brain or is it just that we've gotten to a point where literally there's. There are so few people that are just completely consistent across the board,

[Griffin Davis]

like TikTok brain in terms of, like, what do you mean by TikTok brain? Like canceling people being too, like both.

[Emily]

But you only care when a story is viral because it involves a celebrity. So it's always going to get more pop if it's a celebrity. Like the algorithm is going to catch it.

[Griffin Davis]

Well, TikTok's been pretty good or it was pretty good at like singling out, you know, these, these incredible, like horrible acts on Palestinians or ice stuff or whatever. So I feel like they've been pretty good. I think with the liberals, especially all the liberals I know here in the entertainment industry is, you know, they'll, they'll post the black square. They'll all go out for blm. But with Israel stuff or, you know, like, they're gonna, they're literally not gonna say anything so they can like make 10 grand writing for a Paramount plus show. It's disgusting. And I do think that has broken the like the woke matrix. It's like, oh, like if, like, if like anyone tries to get like canceled, like for something, it's like no one has any ground to stand on anymore. Like, like everyone pretended like a genocide didn't happen for, for two years. So it's like. I don't know. I. I think, I think that stuff really broke. Broke, woke.

[Emily]

Oh, wow. Right off the top of the dome.

[Griffin Davis]

That's my book.

[Emily]

Broke Woke, a memoir by Griffith. You have to have the mustache on the COVID though. Okay. While we're talking about late night comedy and how it's spiraled into something unwatchable, if you are not like a resistance wine mom, I want to put F4 up on the screen. This is a Variety post about Stephen Colbert. It was a review of Stephen Colbert's long Late show Goodbye, which the Variety reviewer said is becoming an ego trip. Colbert deserved better treatment from cbs, but watching one person beam while receiving laurel after laurel doesn't make the argument for shows relevance. Frankly, it is not very good tv believable for this relentlessly political host not in touch with the concerns of people who have been tuning to the Late show for its political perspective. And Griffin, I didn't realize how like wildly aggrandizing the Colbert farewell tour had been until I read this piece and dug into exactly what's going on at that hour on cbs. But he used to be so funny. And I know, I'm sure you have that conversation with people every couple of weeks, but he's such a blowhard. I don't know how dumb you have to be to do this like produced farewell tour for your own show, when in fact, by the way, the entire franchise is what's being canceled. That's much sadder than Stephen Colbert. This is the entire legacy of the Late Show. All of those Great David Letterman 10 Whatever sketches, Griffin, that I know you fall asleep to in the background. The whole legacy gone. And we're supposed to just care about

[Griffin Davis]

Stephen Colbert and it's like it's, it's his fault for the show sucking. But it's also everyone else's fault. That like works on the show too. Let's not forget them too.

[Emily]

Like don't forget the little guys.

[Griffin Davis]

Don't forget all the little guys. Like behind the scenes. It's their fault too. Like who wants to watch some like Modern Family star like talk for like two minutes about their vacation or whatever? Like it's, it's crazy. And the Colbert thing is like another example of like he's like, he like if he had just stayed like an actor and like a comedian and like doing like characters like strange with a candy or whatever. Yeah, that, that would have been good because he's clearly has like, if he has any political perspective, it's actually way more to the right than people think. He definitely likes, you know, I mean he had nothing to say again about Israel over the last couple of years. He literally like three or four days before the New York mayor election, he had Mamdani on to be like, so why do you hate the Jews? He's like definitely a like center right liberal at best. When I think a lot of people viewed him as like a Jon Stewart politics type guy. Like do you remember the COVID thing with Jon Stewart and Colbert? Do you remember that clip?

[Emily]

Yes, I do remember that. That's a good point where Stewart was

[Griffin Davis]

like two talking about the lab leak.

[Emily]

Yeah. Stuart was on the anti establishment side of that, whereas Colbert was like. And that's what I think over and over again is it's hard for people to disentangle. Like when you say center right liberal to a lot of people on the right, they're like, shut the fuck up, Griffin. Like that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But the institutions were totally captured by this like cultural progressive inclination for I don't like 10 years. And so that got this. But what it really was from. Colbert was pro establishment, pro institution.

[Griffin Davis]

Right.

[Emily]

That's where he was like, went from Strangers with Candy to being like towing the party line across the board on all of the cultural issues. It was because he didn't want to. He wanted to belong to the elite club. He doesn't. He's. He's a member of the team now and he's being a good team player, essentially. It's very different than if you're on Strangers with Candy making jokes that would even to the most hardened Epstein researcher. Like, you're on cable making jokes that would even make them blush.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, I'm kind of sick. Like, you know, obviously some of the work has been very formative for me, but I'm kind of sick of like the whole Daily show, like, universe. Like, I think they should all like, even, like, people are trying to draft Jon Stewart right now. I'm like, give me a.

[Emily]

It's very millennial. It's very millennial, Cody.

[Griffin Davis]

It's.

[Emily]

It's very.

[Griffin Davis]

It's so millennial. I mean, but. Which I guess is now like a big voting population or whatever, but it's

[Emily]

like earnest but ironic. You know, it's like trying to do both those things the same time.

[Griffin Davis]

I tried to watch the John Oliver episode on JD Vance yesterday and I just like, found it very useless and just like. Yeah, I just feel like all that stuff is kind of dated because they like have like the liberal mockery down, but then they don't really like, give like, what are you supposed to do about any of it? Like, they have. No, they don't really have any answers on any of that. So I don't know. It's.

[Emily]

It's. It's like institutional trust is really low and they're over and over again, like, deferring to institutions as their dunks on the right. And that's like, that does not fly anymore because nobody trusts the institutions that they're saying you should defer. It's actually like what you were just talking about with Colbert vs. Stewart on the Lab leak. The Colbert's of the world are like, but my mom said this. And you're like, your mom.

[Griffin Davis]

I mean, all these shows are made for just moms now. Like, there's no way it's like anyone but. But moms.

[Emily]

And who trusts authorities but the mothers of America, who are the authorities?

[Griffin Davis]

I'll. Hey, listen, you're. I'll let you speak for the women on that one. I'm not sure, but yeah. Did you see the Tucker Carlson thing on snl?

[Emily]

Yeah, it was. I mean, it was seriously terrible.

[Griffin Davis]

You know what? I'm not going to comment on the quality of it. You know, I am mutual friends with people who are friends with that gentleman, so I will just say, wow, congratulations on. Congratulations on getting the job. But it was another thing where it was like. I don't know, like, right now, like, Tucker's kind of cooler than you guys, like, so I don't know, it felt. Yeah, it just. It just feels like. It just feels off. And it doesn't feel like they. It doesn't feel like any of the liberal TV writers have any, like, understanding, like, of the moment. They're. They're, like, trying to figure it out. They're all, like. They're all online. They're all seeing these tweets. They're seeing the timeline. But, like, they don't really understand, like, the language, the meanings, like, behind any of it. So, yeah, you're getting these, like, very elementary, like, school attempts to, like, wrap yourself around the culture and, like, what's happening right now.

[Emily]

I like the MA Hospital sketch. I actually thought that one was kind of good. The Pit. Yeah, the.

[Griffin Davis]

The video SNL sketches are always better because the. Whoever's directing and writing them, they're always just like, yeah, they're. They're usually some of the best ones. And, hey, I'm an SNL lover. I watch every single episode. There's usually at least one good sketch, and that's. That's a pretty good ratio, actually, in Sketchbook.

[Emily]

Not bad. Not bad in the comedy world. But, yeah, it's frustrating because, for example, Alex DeWitt's Tucker is ridiculous. Release Gandalf's client list. What is that?

[Griffin Davis]

It's been years since his is better. No one will explain why he was

[Emily]

traveling with four young hobbits. Where were they going? Some type of mountain retreat?

[Griffin Davis]

His laugh is better. Yeah.

[Emily]

At one point, they were said to be passed off to Aragorn.

[Griffin Davis]

We interviewed Frodo. He said that Aragorn promised him second

[Emily]

breakfast, then led them up to weather, where he left them there to be surrounded by four tall men in black cloaks. That's Illuminati if ever I heard it. We also obtained. It's just like a. Much more.

[Griffin Davis]

They're adding something to it. Like, for instance, a lot of. A lot of liberal SNL comedy is just recreating the moment that already happened. So it's like the Trump sketches are just kind of doing what Trump already did without, like, putting a hat on it. I was talking to him like, my Friend. Yesterday we were shooting a sketch and he was like, the thing that you should do with Tucker or not Tucker with the thing you should do with Trump is put. He's. He's like. It's so high stakes. He's a clown in a really high stakes position. So you got to invert it. It should be Trump in a low stakes position. He should be like a baseball coach or something like that. Like, he should be in a very low stakes situation being like that and that. And that would be funny and different. But, like, I think a lot of liberal comedy gets trapped in just kind of like recreating it. So, yeah, I like that that guy added something. But also he's got the face down. He's got like.

[Emily]

Yeah.

[Griffin Davis]

And the mannerisms, the pained face to the joker laugh. Yeah, he's got to get it.

[Emily]

Yeah. You gotta actually, like, watch someone to do an impression of them. This was the Alec Baldwin problem. Like, he.

[Griffin Davis]

Oh, that's a good point too.

[Emily]

Yeah. Was so angry at Trump that he was barely even consuming Trump, at least not without his, like, lens of hatred, which is all well and good, but it's not going to make the impression. Very good. All right, Griffin, I got to take a quick break to sell some products. Let's talk about Lean. Everybody is talking about weight loss injections. You watched the Oscars last night. You know the results are very, very dramatic, to say the least. They work by lowering your blood sugar and then reducing your appetite. So what if you're looking to lose weight but you're not interested in those painful weekly injections, especially when you hear about or see some of the intense side effects? That is why doctors created a weight loss supplement called Lean, and the results are remarkable. The studied ingredients in Lean have been shown to lower your blood sugar, burn fat by converting it into energy, and curb your appetite and cravings so you're just not as hungry. But listen, Lean is not for the casual dieter. With only a few pounds to lose. The doctors at Brick House Nutrition created Lean for frustrated dieters with 10 or more pounds to lose. So let's get you started with 20% off and free rush shipping so you can add Lean to your healthy diet and exercise plan. Visit take lean.com and enter emily for your discount. That's promo code. [e-mail] this episode is brought to you by Nordstrom.

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[Emily]

to see what debt relief you qualify for. That's nationaldebtrelief.com we're back now with Griffin Davis. He is the executive producer over at Breaking Points. Griffin, I want a palate cleanser. I'm going to play some good comedy here to compensate for everything that we just talked about. Here's Robbie Hoffman's new Netflix special.

[Griffin Davis]

Oh, you're gonna get me in trouble for this one, Emily.

[Emily]

And I'll say this so they them you should not be able to go back. No backsies you plural bitch. No backseat.

[Griffin Davis]

After all, I'm pretend to not think this is funny.

[Emily]

My friend Roxanne, my friend came up to me, she said, oh yeah, I'm not really doing that anymore. She'd been doing they them for six years. She's like, I'm not really doing that anymore. I'm like, oh yes you are. Oh yes you are. But like, you don't even have to agree with the politics of a Griffin. Like, it reminds me of what we were just talking about with the Alex DeWitt Tucker impression versus the SNL Tucker impression and other people. Like Nick Mullen has a Tucker impression that people really like too. But you can't be so consumed with hatred and anger that it makes it impossible for you to just make a joke. And I feel like Robbie Hoffman, who is completely aligned politically, I would assume with you and genuine leftists, is actually making a good joke there at the expense of her own side.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, I did see some people angry at this. I do think you it Is it is just comedy and if it's like, if it's funny, then it's, then, then it's funny or whatever.

[Emily]

Yeah.

[Griffin Davis]

And I also think like Bobby Hoffman

[Emily]

is great in hacks, by the way.

[Griffin Davis]

I, I, some of my favorite trans comedians are like ones that can like go up and be like very self deprecating. There's because there's a lot of really funny trans comedians. So yeah, you got to be able to laugh at yourself. You also have to be like, it's like a, it's like a joke. Robbie Hoffman is not going around d. Transing people or whatever.

[Emily]

Not yet. Not yet.

[Griffin Davis]

Well, we never know. But like, yeah, on, on top of all that. Yeah. There's like something about, especially with the, with the right. When they say it's just a joke or whatever. And you mentioned, you mentioned Nick Mullen. Okay. And I didn't know that you were a cometown listener.

[Emily]

I'm not, I'm not, To be fair, a couple I've dipped into a couple times.

[Griffin Davis]

But, but, but here's the important point. Like the reason that Nick can do things that would are, are racist or inappropriate is because you sense that there's no hate in his heart. And the problem with conservative comedians a lot of time is you feel like they actually mean it. Like they actually do hate the people they're making fun of.

[Emily]

And I've never hated anyone as much as I hate you.

[Griffin Davis]

Oh, well, see, and that's funny. But like when you see these like conservative older people, when you see like what's Adam Sandler's friend? What's his name?

[Emily]

I know you're talking about from Grandma's boy.

[Griffin Davis]

These guys, they go out there and it's clear that like they're, they're the ones triggered when they make these jokes about trans people or about other stuff. Like they're actually upset and that like that's not funny.

[Emily]

So like taking things too seriously is bad comedy, whether you're a conservative or a liberal.

[Griffin Davis]

But, but also like not, not just seriously, but that you actually like kind of like have like this, like you actually do hate like the people when you're making a hateful joke. That's not funny.

[Emily]

And that's why it's funny when Anthony Jeselnik does it though.

[Griffin Davis]

But, but like that's all part of the act too. And like the reason why Nick Mullen gets away with it is because people, most people at the end of the day like knew that he's like not racist and not cruel, whereas you don't really get that sense from some of these triggered conservative comedians. So I think that's like, that's the line for me as someone who does very offensive comedy. And like, you people have to know what's kind of like in your heart and they get that from the performance, from the way the joke's constructed. And like, that's, I think, what makes it okay. Like it's, oh, you're making a joke, you're not making a statement. And I think that's what conservatives get wrong.

[Emily]

Well, far be it for me to like theorize this in front of somebody who actually the stand up.

[Griffin Davis]

No, no, you like, you like comedy too. You know, a lot.

[Emily]

I just think it's. You also have to know you're part in the ecosystem, that you're a jester. And that's not a, an insignificant part of the like ecosystem of a constitutional republic or a democratic society. It's, I think it's a very important part, but it's also the release valve and it's the satire and it's not the policymaker and it's not the principal of the school. It's a different role. And I think sometimes comedians, and Jimmy Kimmel is sort of a good example, and he falls into this trap, you could say it's like actually a trap to some extent laid by Trump. I don't know how intentional it was. It's not like a 5D chess move. But when you cast yourself as the protagonist, as a comedian, it's kind of off putting because nobody is seeing you that way in the audience. They're seeing you as the jester and the source of that sort of emotional release or catharsis.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, I hope so, because there's this whole thing now with like, the comedians are now like in charge of the elections and in charge of who becomes president and stuff. And that is kind of like people's fault, I guess, for like, you know.

[Emily]

That's the media's fault. No, it's the media's fault for being so shitty. It's the media's fault for being so shitty that people turned to Joe Rogan.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, maybe. I do think that if you listen to Theo Vaughn talk about doing coke out of a hooker's asshole and then go, and now I'm going to hear is like geopolitical take like that, that and you didn't take it with a grain of salt, then that's like a media literacy issue for, for people more than it is like the mainstream media failing, but the mainstream media also failed. So you Know what? But I don't think anybody.

[Emily]

I don't think anybody really votes that way, though. I think it's more like it contributes to the vibes. And if the, like, the vibes are very anti institutional, it's because the institutions keep failing over and over again, and you leave people tuning out or to the extent they're getting news, they're not getting it from CBS Nightly News, they're getting it because their favorite comedians are sitting down with Trump or J.D. vance or whatever, because they're purporting to be anti institutional. Now, it hasn't exactly panned out that way, and it's not entirely surprising, but it's. I mean, it's the fault of Kimmel for not giving people something better, to be honest.

[Griffin Davis]

I think that's definitely, like, part of it. Yeah. Is like, that they. That they suck. So people look for. For other stuff. But, yeah, I don't. I don't think that the Nel boys are the replacement. Or maybe they are. I'm sorry, Nelk boys. But yeah, I mean, but, like, going back to, like, the whole inappropriate joke thing. Do you kind of get what I'm saying?

[Emily]

Yeah, the stakes are low.

[Griffin Davis]

I'm talking about, like. And who's the guy on SNL is like, Jim Brewer or whatever that guy.

[Emily]

Like, yeah, that's a good example.

[Griffin Davis]

They.

[Emily]

They.

[Griffin Davis]

It's. It's not funny if. If the. If the comedian is triggered.

[Emily]

This is why. This is why Nanette was. I mean, honest, Honest. Honest Lib reviewers would have had the same reaction to Nanette, which I actually found very interesting. But I think the reason it was ultimately cringe and, like, painful was that it just plainly wasn't intended to really be that funny.

[Griffin Davis]

Funny, yes.

[Emily]

Or like, that's what people wanted.

[Griffin Davis]

Don't get me started on Bo Burnham. Bo Burnham. Okay, listen, this is that. And that's dangerous for me.

[Emily]

Millennial behavior. He is a real Taylor Swift. A male.

[Griffin Davis]

Oh, my God. That's so. That's. That's. Listen, this is why we got to take over Breaking points, okay? We're on the same wavelength here. He was probably one of the most calamitous things to happen to this country of all time.

[Emily]

Yeah, he was 2010. Bo Burnham. We all should have stopped at.

[Griffin Davis]

Well, what about the pandemic? Like, the stuff or whatever also.

[Emily]

But that's what. You should stop him in 2010. If you could go back in time and kill baby Hitler, would you.

[Griffin Davis]

I don't. Would he be a fan of Bo Burnham?

[Emily]

If you could go Back in time and smuggle baby Bo Burnham's career. Would you do it?

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, like, you can only get one charge of the time machine. Who are you gonna go? Who are you gonna go for?

[Emily]

I'm going for early career Bo Burn.

[Griffin Davis]

Early career Bo Burn. Yeah. I did walk by Bo Burnham in the early 2000 and tens in New York City, and I offered him a joint and he kind of big dogged me. So. Okay, all right.

[Emily]

Oh, this is personal.

[Griffin Davis]

This is very personal. No, but, yeah, so again, I think the thing we're agreeing on is, like, when comedy is, like, self flattering or, or trying to make like a, a statement or whatever, it's. It's like less interesting. And that, that goes for, for both sides. And, like, I think that the statement

[Emily]

has to be downstream of the joke. It has to be secondary. Right? Like, the joke has to be funny. And then if it's funny and it's making a good argument, then it's a bonus.

[Griffin Davis]

But I even hate, like, the, the, the lefties that do the George Carlin thing. Like, I know George Carlin said some base things or whatever, but, like, it's, again, it's like needing the comedy to be your political statement or whatever. It's like, do you guys have any of these people re sharing these Carlin clips? Like, watched a single car? Like, are they. Do you have they. Do they watch stand up at all? Or is this just like another political prop? So, yeah, I think, I think both sides have this issue. I'm bravely saying that.

[Emily]

Thank you, Griffin, for being willing to take a hard look at both sides. Okay, let's go with Jerry OConnells. We were just talking about.

[Griffin Davis]

Oh, I'm so excited for this. These are crazy.

[Emily]

I cannot believe, like, I genuinely can't believe that Club Random exists.

[Griffin Davis]

We gotta get in the club, let

[Emily]

alone that people go on.

[Griffin Davis]

Me and Emily wait in line outside the club, and they always turn us away.

[Emily]

Even though we bring plenty of women,

[Griffin Davis]

we bring a lot of women.

[Emily]

We're always outside the studio door with chicks. All right, this was a really uncomfortable moment. If it's an uncomfortable moment on Club Random, that means it's a very uncomfortable moment because it has to stand out. So let's roll. Jerry o' Connell talking about his own family. He seemed to be, while he was telling the story, trying to determine whether he should be telling the story. Never a good sign. Jerry, this is S8.

[Griffin Davis]

I was watching Late at Night the Returns, and I'll be honest with you, I didn't think Trump Was gonna win. I live in California. I said something along the lines of, like, there was no planning. This is what they get. There should have been a primary. I said something along those lines. You know, like, I was just spitballing ideas as to. It was a shock, you know, my wife and daughters.

[Emily]

Jerry, no.

[Griffin Davis]

Without saying anything, became.

[Emily]

Became physical with me.

[Griffin Davis]

This is a classic example of khive. They were filled with rage. So if I am being careful with you in how I say things, yes, I live in California. I live with not one, not two, but three people who. If I. Laser dot appears on his face right here. Sniper. Laser. They would. They'd become very angry with me. You know, I. Well, I don't want to tell you how to live your life, but I

[Emily]

couldn't live that way. All I see is Kyle Dunnigan now, and it's hard to see. It's hard to see Kyle Dunnigan as Bill Maher when you already have seen him as Reno 911 Kyle Donegan, which is a serial killer. But nonetheless. Griffin, what the. The reason I want to talk about this with you is I think Jerry o' Connell is speaking to something that still exists among. To the point you were making earlier. Like, the people who are watching Kimmel. It's not obviously enough people or Colbert. Like, is that still a thing? And why.

[Griffin Davis]

Well, I mean, like I said in the clip, this is a classic K High K Hive scenario.

[Emily]

Why is that still a thing?

[Griffin Davis]

They are. They are jihadists. They are violent. They. They literally. They say one more thing. They will dox you. They will black bag you and drag you to. Yeah, they. They're a scary bunch, the K Hive. But I. I'm. I don't know exactly know where. Their power is shifting now, by the

[Emily]

way, is actually what Kamala Harris voters called themselves during the 2020 primary. I said 2020. Really? What I mean is 2019, because the woman dropped out in December of 2019 before the Iowa caucuses. But nonetheless, Griffin continues, just in case people had forgotten the Lord, that's good to mention.

[Griffin Davis]

So, yeah, the K Hive thing. They've always been the most, like, aggressive online fan base. Now I think with these. With his family, there's probably just kind of like part of the liberal hellhole cesspit here or what have you. And I do feel bad for. For Jer, for Jerry here, because he's kind of just like a dog, like, like, like. Which is what all actors should be. You know, actors are kind of like. They're not thinkers, they're feelers. You Know, and. And so I. I do feel bad for him because he seems to be really trying his best. But he mentioned a primary, and that's the. No. That's the no word. It's a bad word.

[Emily]

Why? Why again, like. Like, where is this? I'm just. I'm genuinely interested because you spend time with a different crowd than I do. I'm genuinely curious where you think it comes from that people are so, like, did not want to let that happen. And o' Connell's clearly still. His family is clearly still stuck in 2024, and I do think that's a thing. His family's super rich, obviously, and in a Hollywood bubble, I don't know what possesses somebody to still be sensitive about Kamala Harris in the year of our Lord 2026.

[Griffin Davis]

I think it was probably. I mean, we were talking about Khive for them, it was probably less that and more just this sense that, like, Trump is president again and, like, being very, like, upset and triggered, that it's like, all happening again. So I, like, I think that was probably just like a larger liberal reaction and like, normies don't understand, like, how that all happened. Like, all the pieces that led to here, they just know that the. The orange guy's back. And so, yeah, they're. They're just kind of like, upset by it in terms of, like, the liberal hellhole status here in Los Angeles. So Hollywood still really, really bad. But I went to a fundraiser recently for Abdul Al Said, who's running for Senate in Michigan. And this is at a fancy house in Hancock Park. Very fancy West LA neighborhood. Fancy house. Resist signs on the wall, oh, Emmy on the shelf, very thin, expensive jackets. And they're all there talking about aipac, talking about genocide, talking about the oligarchy. So I think there is like an avalanche coming for the Democratic Party and that the Democratic establishment is not. Is not ready for Jerry o' Connell's household.

[Emily]

And not on the set of Club Random.

[Griffin Davis]

No, no, no. Where. Jerry's house. Where he's waterboarded nightly. But yeah, I think that there's like, actually the. For the first time, like, actually, like a liberal radicalization that's occurring. That is, you know, they're not be. They don't watch. A lot of them probably don't watch Jimmy anymore. And I think that, yeah, I think there is a big shift there. We'll see how big of a shift. How big of a shift this Dem Tea Party moment is. But I do think there is something changing. But then with Hollywood, it's It's pretty much as bad as it's ever been and I don't really see that changing anytime soon.

[Emily]

Well, that's sad. That's depressing. And we'll just keep the depression rolling because before Club Random. No, we don't. That actually, in a sense though, it does kind of lift me up. Right. Because it's beautiful. Right. It's, it's the twilight of the boomers and they are lapping up every second of it.

[Griffin Davis]

And I feel bad for like all, like I feel bad for all these celebrities that get tricked into going on Club Random. For Bill to just yell at them.

[Emily]

Yes.

[Griffin Davis]

Like, it's, it's like this is the guy from Kangaroo Jack and you're like dunking on him. Like, like, like.

[Emily]

Yeah.

[Griffin Davis]

I mean, you know, who has a more filled in political perspective? The kangaroo. Like, maybe it's just, it's just absurd that like Bill wants to like have this podcast bring every A lister entertainment person in and then just like yell at them and lecture them like this is not their thing. Like Bill, like have some. Have some more people. Like, I know he had like, you know, I know he has politics people sometime on it, but it's just, it's a little, it's like go. It's like Duncan on the JV squad. You know, these people, they don't have like the language to equipped to debate him about trans stuff or, you know, whatever. Like I saw a few other clips debating the trans thing, debating woke stuff. These people have no idea what's going

[Emily]

on and they're like drunk on his warm tequila. I was going to play this clip of Jane Fonda Boomer Maxing at the Oscars last night where she said in reference to the CNN merger and Ted Turner, quote, I slept with the guy who started it. Incredible moment. But we're a little short on time, so we're just going to. I think the audience can envision that and maybe it'll be better.

[Griffin Davis]

Envision Jane Fonda sleeping with David Zaslav.

[Emily]

Well, not just her sleeping with Ted Turner, but also Ted Turner, but also decades later at the Oscars. Again, Boomer Maxine talking about how it gives her some authority over the subject of the merger. Just perfect moment. But I do want to cover a enormously grim war update that is serious.

[Griffin Davis]

Oh, great.

[Emily]

So ridiculous. Given that it could be out of like idiocracy. This is F5, a times of Israel headline today by Emmanuel Fabian, who wrote about gamblers trying to win a bet on polymarket, quote, are vowing to kill Me, if I don't rewrite an Iran missile story. Quote, bettors are using death threats to try to get the time of Israel's military correspondent to change his report on a missile impact in central Israel. This is his alarming account. This is a line from it. What I thought was a seemingly minor incident during the war has turned into days of harassment and death threats against me. So he reported about a strike in Israel, confirming it on their live blog, on the Times of Israel live blog. And because someone had bet on polymarket that a strike wouldn't have occurred by that time on Israel, they were trying to get him to change it and to correct it, that it was fragments that had been hit by an interceptor and scattered on the ground. He said that wasn't true. And so he wasn't going to change it. It and was getting harassed over and over again. And it's. Again, it sounds like idiocracy, but what's terrifying about this, Griffin, is we are proceeding a pace with no regulatory interest whatsoever and things like Poly Market into a war where now people are harassing journalists to change their story. Which media coverage of war changes War. It is part of war. It is an important part of war. It is propaganda. It is in the best cases, accountability and transparency, but it is nonetheless an active component of war. And when you have people betting on that, the people who are involved, who are civilians and are not in the military, they're not military leaders, they are then getting pressured to take part in changing their coverage of the war, which again, is part of the war. It's too meta to even describe, but it is so heinous, you can't help help but look at everything we've talked about tonight and say this is why institutional trust is at rock bottom in the country. Because you see, first of all, whales betting on Kalshi over the Venezuelan nonsense. You know, whales are betting on the rest of this stuff. It's, it comes. It's like you too much to keep track of. And you see people like Don Jr. On the board of. He's on the board of Polymarket and Kalshi, he's like an advisor to both, I should say. I don't know if he's formally on the board of both, but he's an advisor to both. It's getting to like French Revolution levels of being taunted by the royals. Yeah.

[Griffin Davis]

That's why I actually am saying let's keep building the ICE detention centers because we need somewhere to put all the Poly Market people. I don't like it. Hot take. I don't like the gambling stuff, Will,

[Emily]

but will you call up both sides?

[Griffin Davis]

I will. What's the other side? The people dying? The people getting hit with the missiles?

[Emily]

No. Democrats and Republicans, Griffin. I think they are both implicated. I don't know if you saw Jim Messina recently saying it's Democrats are up with young men because.

[Griffin Davis]

Right.

[Emily]

They're anti gambling.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, I actually. And I actually do think the conservatives will get ahead of it with that one and be like the first. They'll be like the first people to be the anti gambling.

[Emily]

Maybe.

[Griffin Davis]

Or at least some people might in like the weird kind of sloppy list. Right. Space. But yeah, it. Now I have to disclose that I do have a ongoing bet about how many fingers Bibi Netanyahu has at a given day based on the AI videos of him. But, yeah, it's really bad. And, you know, I don't know, like, it has to be stopped. And I think the only way it's actually going to stop is once it destroys the 2028 election. Because, like, what's to stop some county clerk in a swing state.

[Emily]

Right.

[Griffin Davis]

Dropping 30,000 votes. I mean, I'm sure. Hey, do we got any. Stop the Steelers in this chat that. That's about to be the most trusted election of all time. Compared to Hillary Clinton's in the 2028. Yeah. I mean, yeah, Hillary, Brendan Carr, all. All you guys. Yeah. So we're a reactive species and I think that. That we're going to have to have it go really, really bad before it all gets banned. But, yeah, I think it ruined sports now it's gonna ruin politics and movies and then. Yeah, just every waking moment of your life. But you can't really blame the betters. I mean, what else are they.

[Emily]

Well, I don't know.

[Griffin Davis]

Where are they supposed to go?

[Emily]

They don't. This is. Well, I was gonna say this is what I mean by the elites, like, taunting you. They're giving you a little plaything, like you feel as though you're totally disempowered from the democratic process. They're not voting on this war. And the president campaigned against starting new wars, two of those things. So it leaves the average American feeling disempowered because they didn't vote for this. The rep. The representative government didn't even vote on the war. And they're like, well, that's. That's okay. You can bet on it and make, you know, some change. You can make some pocket money. You can make some beer money. Have fun, plebe. We're Running the world.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah. There's three jobs you can have right now. One is to be one of those, like, fulfillment, ship station guys. You could be a crypto guy, or you could do this gambling thing. And those are the three industries that we've given the youth. And. And so I. I mean, I guess you can't. Can't blame them, but it is. It is disgusting. And it's also, like, disgusting that, like, CNN has, like, the Kalshee or polymarket board now. Like, they have, like, a segment, right?

[Emily]

They do, yeah. I think it's Kalshee.

[Griffin Davis]

There's so many enemies, Emily. We have so many villains up against us. There's so many. You think we're ever going to get them all?

[Emily]

Well, Griffin, I'd like to say we'll get them on both sides. We will. We will not stop with one side. We will go for both sides. And that takes real courage and bravely.

[Griffin Davis]

Is there. Is there like, a big Democrat gambler guy right now? Like, I don't think so.

[Emily]

Jim Messina, America's sweetheart, the sort of king of the bros, Jim Messina.

[Griffin Davis]

I feel like politicians just aren't talking about it, right? Like, they're just kind of, like, ignoring it. Like, I don't. I don't see a lot of, like.

[Emily]

Well, I guess cnn. I mean, I guess you could. You could say.

[Griffin Davis]

I guess. I guess. Yeah, the main. The mainstream media.

[Emily]

Yeah, the mainstream.

[Griffin Davis]

Have you ever. Have you ever done a bet?

[Emily]

Have you ever done a bet? Like, on. Yeah, not on, like, Cowshire Poly Market? No.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, I haven't either. But you've bet. You've bet money in a gambling scenario

[Emily]

like on March Madness or. Actually, no. I did Traders Bracketology. It's a cool app that lets you. And I started one for breaking points. But despite everyone clamoring for one, nobody took the bait.

[Griffin Davis]

The biggest victim of all of this is Vegas, because Vegas is a beautiful place and they used to have the monopoly on gambling. And I used to go to Vegas a lot, not to gamble, but to enjoy the culture, the magic. I would watch Carrot Top. I love going to see Carrot Top. And now Vegas is drying up. And so we have to. If anything, we have to run on a pro Las Vegas platform to bring. To make it great again, essentially.

[Emily]

Mala Griffin, before you go, Mulva. Yeah, before you go, I do want to ask a chat question. This is from Steve, who says, does this dude think he could fight in Taiwan?

[Griffin Davis]

What do you. Is this a cat? Abu Ghazayla voter. What are we talking about here? Do they have A specific fighting style that's incredibly difficult over there. There's some great Thai martial arts.

[Emily]

Taiwan, Taiwan.

[Griffin Davis]

Taiwan, Taiwan. Taiwanese martial arts. Not familiar with it. Maybe they could get my ass.

[Emily]

I think you could fight in Taiwan. I suppose it's more a question of whether you would.

[Griffin Davis]

Well, I guess we, I guess.

[Emily]

Are you a patriot? Are you. You.

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, we'd be fighting China.

[Emily]

You'd be fighting Chinese. AI theft in the movie business. So actually, you might be one of our strongest soldiers, because that gets you very mad.

[Griffin Davis]

They gotta take over. They, they get. They have. They absolutely have to take over. They have to invade. At least California. I think that'd be good. Yeah. I, I, to answer your question, like, is. It does feel like the Taiwan thing is back on the menu. Like, aren't they surrounded.

[Emily]

Oh, my gosh, yes.

[Griffin Davis]

Aren't they, like, surrounded by military? Chinese military right now?

[Emily]

Yeah. There have been developments in the South China Sea, which is not the, Is not remotely surprising because despite what the president says, our military supplies are being depleted. We are still fighting a proxy war in Ukraine that already deployed, that already depleted our weapon stock and our. Yeah, we're now in Iran. So things are, things. Could it be going better, Griffin?

[Griffin Davis]

We have to always root it in the human rights of the silicon chips that are made in Taiwan. That's where we need to root it.

[Emily]

That's a great place to leave it. Griffin Davis, executive producer of Breaking Points. And where can people check out your comedy, Griffin?

[Griffin Davis]

Yeah, we're on YouTube. We've restarted on YouTube. We're also on Instagram. Chum Room. You can search that on YouTube. It was. It was originally a phrase that Barack Obama used back in the day. Chum Gang. Absolutely. Yeah. The real heads know, and we're taking that phrase back. So.

[Emily]

Yeah.

[Griffin Davis]

And this is, this is also produced by Barack Obama, which, again, might scare away some people in this audience, but he, you know, bad president, great sketch comedy producer. Okay.

[Emily]

And he took a chance on a young talent like yourself, and despite your political differences. So once again, sometimes two sides can come together. Griffin.

[Griffin Davis]

Like you and me, Emily, we're taking over Breaking Points. First it's Sager, then it's Ryan, and then it's Crystal.

[Emily]

In that order. It has to be that order. All right, Griffin Davis, enjoy the rest of your evening in the Hollywood Hills. We got to watch the sunset behind you. It was really lovely.

[Griffin Davis]

Absolutely. Salute to you. I love afterparty. I love you, Emily. Your talent, you're incredible. And we both agree on concealed carry, so, you know,

[Emily]

get out of here Griffin.

[Griffin Davis]

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All right, let's close it out this evening with Joy Reid who had this to say on a recent podcast. I think it's from just a few days ago about women in Iran and women in the United States. Let's roll the clip. Now I'm not saying that that regime is not bad, but by the way, our regime is not good. Our regime has secret police. They have secret police. Our regime is oppressing women, taking away abortion rights, taking away women's rights in like 20, 26 states, some states where they're trying to have the death penalty for having an abortion. They also oppress women. They have the highest rate of women who are in STEM careers. We're kicking women out of the military, out of university. We're saying that DEI means women can't be hired for high positions in the sciences. So we're marginally better. And we're doing it for Christianity, they're doing it for Islam. Right. So it's like we don't get told those things because it would take, it would take away the kind of American exceptionalism narrative. I mean, I'm very glad that the women of Iran are thriving in STEM careers. To say, quote, we're marginally better on women's rights, as Joy Reid just is, is representative of a serious malady the feminist left has had for many, many years. When you create a machine like second wave feminism that is meant to tackle particular problems and you solve those problems, the inertia. And this happens on the right with interest groups as well. But you build up these big special interest machines to tackle a specific problem. And then once you address that problem, women in the United States can have their own credit cards. Now we have title nine for women's sports. Do we have problems? Sure do. I wildly disagree with Joy Reid's characterization of abortion. Yes. But overall, to chalk up these differences to quote marginal ones, that is a slap in the face to the women who came before Joy Reid and actually solved repeatedly real problems for women. Put a lot on the line to do it. Worked very hard. Blood, sweat and tears into that battle. And then Joy Reid comes around in 2026 and says, we are marginally better than Iran. They're bad, but we're not good. This is what Joy Reid said. That's something of a separate debate. I'll put that to the side. But again, we're marginally better. We're marginally better on women's rights. So I'm going to go ahead here and pull up a report from Amnesty International. Put it on the screen. This is their latest human rights support from Iran. Scroll here to the. Oh, that's the wrong one. I'm going to scroll back over and while I do that and scroll over to the women's rights section of their latest. Yep, here it is. Their latest research. Human rights. Women and girls rights authorities continue to treat women as second class citizens, including in relation to marriage, divorce, child custody, employment, inheritance and political office authorities use politically motivated charges carrying the death penalty against women human rights defenders. So the part here the legal age of marriage for girls remained at 13 and fathers could obtain judicial permission to subject their daughters to forced marriage at a younger age can go on and on here. But I I posted on X also from the from a a report on this quote. Women are also prohibited from entering the workplace without wearing a job, dancing in public, riding bicycles, joining the army, participating in public sports and becoming president. Women's mobility and autonomy are further restricted by the requirement of a male relative's permission or consent. I don't even know why I am dignifying this or with a that was from the the eu, by the way. I don't even know why I'm dignifying this by going to like the nos and reading their reports on human rights. Listen, I get that a lot of what you're going to hear from the EU and other nos about what's happening in Iran is wrong and it's propaganda. I know that. I understand that this is a demonstrated fact pattern and Joy Reid is denying it for the sake of, of putting down the United States, which people on her own team worked over the course of many, many years to make better for women. She is erasing that to put down the United States for the sake of criticizing Trump. In this case, if you pause for a moment and realize what the implication of what she's saying is, again, you realize she is erasing the work of many feminists. And you have to disentangle the feminist movement, of course, from the, you can't disentangle the feminist movement from the sexual revolution. This, that was a tide that rose and lifted both of those boats at the same time. But some of those victories were legitimate and real and good for women. And Dre Read is just slapping all of those women in the face and by the way, also American men who started to back these victories for women. It's just remarkable lack of perspective. It's stupid, it's insulting, it's all of those things. And it's so unnecessary if you're actually being a rational human being. But again, for the sake of putting down the United States, it's easy to say, well, these are, these are marginal differences. I'd love to know how she defines marginal. I'd love to sit across from her and, and go through the evidence that we have. Like, again, I get that there's propaganda about women in Iran. I understand that. And I get there's propaganda about Iran in general. I've criticized it before. But to say that there are only marginal differences between women's rights in the United States and Iran is, again, to minimize the efforts of people on the left who, Joy Reid is an inheritor of an inheritor of that tradition. It's just silly. It's just silly. And it's very easy for people to lose perspective now. And that's one of the hard things. It's seeing the glasses half empty versus half full. It's very difficult to see the glasses as anything but half empty when you're in the middle of these news cycles. I get it. I totally get it. This is a bleak news cycle. This, this war is a bleak news cycle. I feel like the last 10 years, let alone like 20 years, has just been full of bleak news cycles. And I'm sure people older than me would say it's been that case for even longer. The last 10 years have been particularly acute. At least 10 years have been particularly acute, I think. But, but a lot of people have, have spilled a lot of blood, sweat and tears in the United States of America to make our lives better. And it's so insulting to minimize that and lose sight of it, especially for like, partisan purposes. So I wanted to end on that because I just couldn't let it sit. I just couldn't let it sit. Probably doesn't surprise any of you, but I had to. All right, this, this probably is the record for longest afterparty ever. I could have kept going for a long time with Griffin. It was, it was a ton of fun. Just kind of chop it up with him. So go check out his work at the Chin Room and check us out at Breaking points, of course too. Thanks so much for tuning in to today's edition of After After Party. It really helps us if you subscribe. Subscribe on YouTube wherever you get your podcasts. So appreciate you being here. Like I said, it's episode 73. We're having tons of fun coming up soon on our one year anniversary in a few months. 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