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Podcast Host (4:22)

All right, let's go ahead and bring in the one and only Victor Davis Hansen, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. Victor, thank you so very for joining us tonight.

Victor Davis Hanson (4:30)

Thank you for having me.

Podcast Host (4:32)

Of course. I wanted to start. I thought you would be the right person to ask about this. In his victory speech last night in Brooklyn, Zoran Mamdani, the incoming mayor of New York City, who ran on a Democratic socialist platform, cited Nauru. He cited. He cited Eugene Debs just in this victory speech alone. So I want to go ahead and roll this clip and maybe get a little bit of your reaction to it. Victor, this is S1 standing before you. I think of the words of Jawaharlal Nehru. A moment comes, but rarely in history, when we step out from the old to the new, when an age ends and when the soul of a nation.

Victor Davis Hanson (5:13)

Long suppressed, finds utterance.

Podcast Host (5:17)

Tonight we have stepped out from the old into the new. The sun may have set over our city this evening, but as Eugene Debs once said.

Victor Davis Hanson (5:33)

I can see the dawn.

Podcast Host (5:34)

Of a better day for humanity. Now, Victor, there's a raging debate about what kind of democratic socialist Zoram Hamdani is. Is he at his heart a Marxist? Is he a third Worldist as some has have posited? Is he merely a sort of social democrat of the type you find in Norway? If you ask Bernie Sanders, that's how he explains social democracy and democratic socialism. So who, who is Zoram Mamdani from your perspective?

Victor Davis Hanson (6:07)

Well, I think you had it the first two times. He is a socialist. They all. To get power. All socialists say they're democratic socialists at one point, otherwise they would never be elected. They would just have to have a communist revolution. So they always usually come in legitimately. Fidel Castro did, Chavez did, Maduro did. The Bolsheviks seized power. But they said they were gonna have elections. They never did. And then the other thing is, he's an immigrant, but he's a very strange immigrant because he's an Indian implant into Uganda. His family is. And they were very, very affluent. So when he says that Israelis are settler colonists or something, he was a. He was a. From a. He was an Asian that went in as a. An elite into Uganda. And he is as legitimate or as illegitimate as Europeans are who settled Israel, which he's always criticizes. And then his family came over here and his mother was a very affluent filmmaker. His father was an endowed professor, and they were very controversial. His father wrote a book in 2004, you know, defending suicide bombing, among other things. And when you see clips of him speaking in Uganda, he has a completely different accent. He sounds like he's from India when he mentions Eugene Debs. I mean, of all the people that think that you would, you've been elected, why wouldn't you mention Lincoln or jfk? Eugene Debs was a hardcore socialist. In the Depression era, he ran, I think, for president four times and failed every time. Third party candidate. So he's not a model of success. He never, he Never was. I guess you'd never say he led a national movement. I don't know why an American would appeal to Nehru if that's who he's appealing to in India, the Indian nationals. It has no relevance for almost anybody who's listening to him. So I, I think what we're seeing is somebody who worked for his mother, who was pampered, very affluent, came to the United States and under the protocols of DEI or whatever, he felt that it was very advantageous to play that side of the binary. Binary. And then he was very smog. He's very charismatic, he's, he can ad lib very well extemporaneously. And he captured a certain zeitgeist. Two things, three things made his, four things made him possible because he has no experience other than just minor legislative career. There's been radical demographic changes. Almost a half million to 700,000 Jews have left New York. And we have a lot of people who were foreign born in New York, 65 of whom apparently voted for him about or more so. And then in addition to that, it was an off off year election. It wasn't just a midterm election. It was a odd year where there was only these few states that had offices. And so you were going to have a low turnout which favored him then. There was never a Bloomberg or Giuliani candidate that people could rally around as an oppositional. Instead they bifurcated, they divided, trisected the field with Eric Adams and Cuomo and Silwa and all of them had baggage, nobody really. So they never united around, they never got together and said, we don't want a socialist communist, let's unite around somebody. And he took advantage of that. Almost the first thing he said as well in that speech, but more importantly, all on the campaign, he doesn't understand American history at all. So he was talking about nullification. So I want to tell you that the federal government is not coming in here in ice and we're going to not allow ICE deportations. He also said he was going to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu. What he's basically saying is that I'm going to order the New York PD to tell ICE they can't come in here when they are federal agents enforcing federal law under. And he has no idea of the Article 6 of the Constitution. That's the supremacy clause that says in matters of federal jurisdiction, federal officers take precedence over state and local law. And he has no historical sense because that's exactly what happened that caused the Civil War. I mean slavery was a Root cause. But the federal government said, we own Fort Sumter. And South Carolina says, I don't care, it's in our area of jurisdiction. And they said, well, we're monitoring the federal waterways. And they fired on it. And then additionally, Lincoln said to them, you don't own all of South Carolina. There's federal post office, there's federal armories. What I'm getting at is he doesn't understand our system of federalism. There's federal post offices, there's federal offices, there's federal parks in New York, there's federal agents, FBI, ice, you name it. And they have jurisdiction there. It's not his city completely, but if he's going to do that, then you can see what would happen if he said, well, Mr. Mayor, there's ICE agents at their headquarters on Broadway and they are going out and they are bringing, they've got arrested people. And he says, stop them. And then you would have armed federal agents confronting. Armed. We almost saw that in Chicago and Nancy Pelosi said that she would, that they could arrest ICE agents. So we're getting to a point is what I'm getting at is the 1850s when John Brown and all of the preliminaries to the Civil War and these people are ignorant of history, but it's, it's nullification of federal law. It's illegal.

Podcast Host (12:28)

I wanted to ask you about this moment from Jennifer Welch, who's an increasingly popular ascendant progressive podcaster, sort of proudly vulgar and obscene, but also had this moment from Live from the Mamdani Victory party last night. Let's go ahead here and roll S6.

Victor Davis Hanson (12:52)

It was all white people here right.

Podcast Host (12:54)

Now, it would be boring. As it was all white people here right now, it would be boring. Everybody needs some spices of color in their lives. Life's a lot better. And that's the coolest thing about America. It is the coolest thing about it.

Victor Davis Hanson (13:08)

Multicultural.

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Podcast Host (13:10)

And we need to teach people how to embrace that. These prestige white people need to learn how to embrace it. So the, the stream didn't have the best audio, but probably the most interesting line she used there, Victor, was Americans have no culture except for multiculturalism. And then Mehdi Hassan agreed with her aggressively. What do you make of that?

Victor Davis Hanson (13:31)

It's just more sign of ignorance. We have a rich literature. We have, you know, Thomas Wolfe, Hemingway, Scott Fitzgerald, Thoreau, Emerson. We got one of the richest literatures in the world. We have the only constitution of its kind in the world. We don't have the parliamentary system. So no President can be in the White House unless he's elected, unlike the prime minister, who can. His party can depose him and get another candidate without the people even voting on him. Most countries don't have a Bill of Rights. There's a rich tradition of American music that predates Mr. Mondani and, but, and that. And we have a unique American. I don't know, it's a middle class culture. I mean, people mock it, but there's the idea of the American vacation, the American summers, the American do your own thing. And so when she says about white, she doesn't know anything about white people. She's an, I think she's a former interior decorator and she's hung out with wealthy white people. I live in southern Fresno county and it's mostly Hispanic now, but it's the scene of the Oklahoma diaspora, the joads of novel fame. And I can tell you there is these are the people of East Palestine, Ohio. She's never seen poor white people. And in actual numbers, maybe not percentages, they're the largest group of impoverished people in the world. So then you basically have an interior decorator who gets on social media or podcasts and spouts filthy words and gets a following. And then she thinks she's the spokesman for white people because she feels that people who are not white will patronize her. And she. Virtue signals and performance are her guilt. But she has nothing in common with the kind of people I farmed with for 30 years. I mean, I couldn't tell when I see a person on a tractor who's sweaty and dirty and has no money. It was just as commonly Mexican or Filipino or Armenian or white or whatever. But she's. This is part of the whole binary that Barack Obama inaugurated where he refashioned affirmative action from a black white binary to diversity. And he said anybody on the 30% line that's not white is a victim and oppressed. And anybody who's on the 70% white. And then he threw out all class considerations. So you have the Obamas and four mansions that are oppressed now, or you have Indian Americans. When Obama said Mandani said, I'm going to tax the more affluent in white neighborhoods, first thing came in my mind, he has no idea about the census. The census said of all, all 35 ethnic groups, the wealthiest per capita were Indian Americans from India. So I thought, wow, you're going to tax your own ethnic group because you by statistics are by far the wealthiest and most privileged group in America. But under the Obama diversity idea, no, he's a victim and he represents somebody who is non white. But it's nothing to do with class anymore. And that's what weird about it.

Podcast Host (16:50)

Yeah, that's so interesting because Vivek Ramaswamy and JD Vance, I thought had two of the more interesting reactions to the results last night. And I don't think anybody's surprised that Democrats did well in three pretty blue areas, Virginia, New Jersey and New York City. I think the margins were larger than expected in New Jersey and in Virginia, referring to the governor races and the attorney general race certainly as well. But let's roll this clip of Vivek Ramaswamy because he, he had two major lessons from it. J.D. vance had I think three. But let's start with Vivek because one of them gets at what we were just discussing. This is us two, we got our asses handed to us in New Jersey, Virginia and New York City. Democrats swept all three. There's two key lessons for Republicans. Listen carefully. Number one, our side needs to focus on affordability, make the American dream affordable, bring down costs, electric costs, grocery costs, health care costs and housing costs and lay out how we're going to do it. And number two, cut out the identity politics. It doesn't suit Republicans. It's not for us. That's the woke left's game, not ours. We don't care about the color of your skin or your religion. We care about the content of your character. That's who we are. So Vance in his reaction, this is F1 we can put up on the screen that he posted to X agreed on the affordability question. Even Donald Trump himself has echoed that just in the last couple of hours as he's interacted with the press. And JD Seems to agree in his third point, basically about infighting, which has been rampant on the right over the course of the last week and seems poised to be rampant over at least the this week that we're in right now and possibly next week too. It sounds like they're alluding to the the Groiper scandal. It sounds like Vivek Ramaswamy might actually even be talking about people making attacks on Mamdani for being Muslim. That's kind of what I took from that, attacks on him for saying that he's Muslim. I don't know. Victor, what did, what did you make of those responses today?

Victor Davis Hanson (18:53)

I don't think they addressed the problem. The problem was, first of all, the Republican Party did not understand the purpose of the shutdown. It was completely incoherent and they kept trying to Find a reason. And they kept trying to say, well, they've signed on to these continuing resolutions X number of times in the past.

Podcast Host (19:12)

Or.

Victor Davis Hanson (19:12)

Or they. This was a Obamacare subsidy that they voted with a window when it would shut down. So it was all adjudicated. Why are they. They did it because it was part of a larger strategy of chaos. Bedlam. So you attack Tesla dealerships, you riot against ice, you drop F bombs. Gavin Newsom says that he wants to punch Trump in the mouth. Nancy Pelosi says he's. She. He's the most vi. You create all of this chaos. You don't have a. They don't have an agenda that most people want. If you look at the actual issues, they're. I know Trump. People say they're 70, 30, they're probably 55, 45. Close the border. Most people want that. But when they keep. When they created so much chaos, the Republicans didn't know what they were doing. So basically, this shutdown was to get people who are on federal entitlements in these states very upset that they were going to lose their checks, and it was a Republican's fault. And second, the federal employees, especially in Virginia, but also were going to be laid off or losing. And then the ICE stuff was that ICE is a gestapo, and it's not going after criminals or people who have previous deportation orders are. Which 75, 80% do. But they're. You know, it's her, Linda, on her way to keep your house clean, who has been here 40 years. And oh, my gosh, I just forgot to fill out my green card. And they. And they hit her over the head. And that's the narrative they were doing. And so the American voter was kind of saying, well, before Trump, there was not this chaos. And now everything is. There's people protesting and the Congress, people are using F bombs, and they shut down the government and they're. They're running Tesla people. And that was what they wanted to create. And I will guarantee you that after these elections are over, they're gonna. They're gonna resume the government because the purpose is no longer needed to shut down and cause chaos and win an election. And they know, and they know what Obama said himself when they shut down the government under him, that this is a renegade action. You better win elections. If you don't win elections, you try to shut down the government. It works for a while. Then for finally people say, and I think the polls are showing that there was enormous support for the Democrats, and it's gradually starting to get even or even favor. And they're going to get to a point very quickly and they're going to say it served its purpose. We created chaos. We, we have momentum. Let's get the government, because the longer it's shut down, we're going to be blamed. And what I'm getting at is the Republicans, they don't need to get in a big fight over the arc of triumph at Arlington or a chain ball and chain tearing down the East Wing, or all of these Twitter stuff. All it's going to be, all it's going to be adjudicated is the economy. And they're not saying right now, if Trump had been saying Joe Biden over four years had over 23%, 22% aggregate, 5% a year. I've only been here 10 months and the inflation rate is 3, and I'm getting it down, but that's still 2. I have the highest stock market. Everybody said we were going to have a recession from the tariffs, but we don't. And even with the big beautiful bill and things I had to spend, it looks like we're going to reduce not a lot, but a little bit the deficit because of Doge and because of the tariffs. And GDP had a really robust quarter. But more Importantly, we have 10 to 15 trillion dollars in foreign investment. We have record level of gas and oil. We've already increased 1 million barrels of production of oil. We've already started to pay back the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which Biden drained. So there's all these things that are good now, but they're going to get a lot better for you. And that message never gets out. He thinks, you know, he's done a wonderful job with the Middle East. He's working on Ukraine. He took out the nuclear threat. He's got seven ceasefires. But George Bush, when he won the first Gulf war, George Bush Sr. It was just ecstatic. In 1991, he had 93% favorability. That was as late as January 1990. He lost in 92. And you know why he lost? Because James Carville and George Stephanopoulos and Mark Penn and Doug Schoen said there's a little recession, and we've got to say that it's the greatest recession since the Great depression. And George H.W. bush, what did he talk about? Let's privatize Social Security and capital gains cuts. And he didn't get it. It's the economy, stupid, as they said. And so this, they have one year to get organized and get out the vote and say, we are going to make The American people richer. There's going to be more jobs. We're going to have fewer illegal aliens competing for your job. That's the only reason we're doing. There's going to be less fentanyl deaths, a lot less fentanyl deaths because of what we're doing. A lot less criminals. But more importantly, these are all going to have economic aspects of the affordability. And so in Mandami, it'll take. It'll take him a year to destroy. Because we know the reason they don't have affordable housing is rent control and zoning and regulation in New York. They're not. He didn't say, I'm going to work with developers and build 20,000 new units and give incentives to private developers to build them and rent them. He didn't say that. And he himself is from a millionaire family. He's on a rent control, you know, apartment.

Podcast Host (25:10)

Right.

Victor Davis Hanson (25:11)

So I. I just wish that the administration would have taken this seriously, that they want to create chaos and don't. There's only really two issues, and it's the economy and to a lesser extent, crime in the border and foreign policy, those things. But. And they're doing very well, but they're not getting the message out.

Podcast Host (25:32)

I want to ask about Jay Jones because this exit poll is getting a lot of attention, showing that about 10% of people who believe the text messages that were revealed by National Review on, I think it was October 5th, showing Jay Jones wishing death and suffering upon Republicans and their children. Among people who voted and found Those disqualifying, about 10% of people who voted for Jay Jones. That's probably the best way to put it. About 10% of people who voted for Jay Jones found those text messages disqualifying victor. And that has been ricocheting around the Internet because people are sort of scratching their heads and thinking, well, how do we get from point A to point B on this? And people are thinking, how does Jay Jones, after all of this, survive and when, period. Can you help make sense of that?

Victor Davis Hanson (26:24)

I think I can. It was part of a larger pattern. I was watching this and they said, wow, this candidate in Maine has an SS 3rd Panzer Division Totenkopf tattoo. And they kept saying, this is going to sink him. No, it's not. And they said Sherrell had done the. In the stock market and she didn't walk in her naval thing. Graduation. And then they said Jones, you know, not only wanted. Talked about killing a political opponent, the speaker of the legislature, but the idea of killing his kids and seeing the Mother, the dead baby and all this. And he knew the kids. But the point is, these are radical people. These aren't jfk, Hubert Humphrey, Bill Clinton, Democrats. So there is no such thing as negative advertising against this type of historically motivated socialist, leftist communists. They don't. People are dedicated, and to the degree you think you're going to shame them with scandal, it doesn't work. So they kept thinking, we're going to find the October Surprise scandal, because these people are scandalous. And they are. But, you know, they said to Mondami, my gosh, he said he was going to seize the. The means of production was right out of Friedrich Engels. So they had all these things they brought out about Mondami. They were very damning, fake accent, rent control, lied about defunding the police, all this stuff. But it wasn't going to work because these people are very motivated, hardcore socialists, the base of the Democratic Party. And in this election, the base is what turned out. And his message was, if you're a minority and you're poor, you're going to get a lot of free stuff from us. And if you're Asian or white and you're an upscale professional, you have all these degrees, you went to Brown, you went to. You went to nyu, you've got letters after your name, you're an editor at Scribner's, you're an artist, you work for an ngo, you're budding lawyer, you work on, but you're only making 80 or 100,000, and you can't buy a brownstone. You can't get a car, you can't take a vacation. And so it was a message designed for frustrated professionals, young professionals who feel that their titles or their education or their knowledge or their morality earns them a higher lifestyle and people who want greater subsidy, and that is the Democratic Party today, it's basically very upscale people who. Very wealthy, but also professionals, and want to be professionals and the poor. And they've lost a lot of the middle class, but they had a lot of. What I'm trying to say not very well, is that this election was not the beginning. It was a reflection of what they've been doing, and they did it brilliantly. The Hispanic vote went 49%, Trump, 55 Mexican American males. And yet almost every media story, Even though only 20% are people who do not have a criminal record or have not already had a deportation that they have, that they're deporting. In other words, if you go to the Home Depot two miles from here, and you know There's a drug dealer and he's got a felony record, and there's another guy with him and has already had the deportation. And you arrest him and there's the third person and they say, let me see your id and you know he's illegal. Then you're going to take him in. You got to obey the law. Then that one person represents 20% of the deportations. But that's the person that the left said, we're going to focus on. He's, he's just there minding his own business. You pulled him out of. And they never got the. When they, the administration's attitude was, well, they let in 12 million people, so we need more deport, deportation. We're going to do this and this. It was never. This is a very small group of people. We may get to them, we may not. We may have amnesties for the people who have never committed a crime, have been here 10 years, but they took that narrative. So the Hispanic vote flipped to the Democrats in these two elections. And that's really worrisome because that Hispanic vote was small, but it was, it was pivotal in places like Arizona, Georgia, some of the congressional races in California. And they had won that. But I think there's an echo chamber on the right. It's kind of we're going to own the libs or we're going to get on social media and attack this person. And they don't get the idea that the main issue is the economy. And the left knows that. They don't have an answer for it. They don't have an answer for the border. They don't have an answer. But they do know how to create chaos and bedlam. And then they, they see us, the voter, as going into a fetal position, putting our hands over our ears and then saying, make it all go away. I don't know who did this, but Trump is in the White House, so it's got to be. I don't even know the issues, but it's just, it's just too much for me to. And so I'm just going to vote for normality. And that's what they got to work on. They have a year to work on it.

Podcast Host (31:58)

The great Victor Davis Hansen, senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. Thank you so much for taking the time to be here tonight.

Victor Davis Hanson (32:04)

Victor, thank you for having me.

Podcast Host (32:06)

Appreciate it.

Victor Davis Hanson (32:07)

Thank you.

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You're all stuck with me for the rest of the show. Which of course is exactly how I like it, how I want it. But I do have some thoughts that I want to pick up on. And I'm planning to pick up on anyway. From my conversation with the one and only Victor Davis Hanson and sort of going off of what we discussed about JD Vance and Vivek Ramaswamy's conclusions coming out of the last 24 hours, basically saying affordability, affordability, affordability. Just before we went to air here a couple of hours ago, Donald Trump said there's this new word affordability. And obviously the Republican Party right now is coalescing around this, this consensus that affordability has to be the centerpiece of their campaign efforts going forward. Now we're just talking about the politics of this and the messaging right now, right? This is the, even to get to the substance which you do have to deliver on as well. But you know, for, for moral reasons and political reasons. But that wasn't really even there in the messaging as sharply focused as it should have been in certainly in Virginia where I was last night covering the victory party turned concession speech. And you know, I think it showed up Cuomo is not a Republican, but I think it certainly showed up in his this very establishment oriented response to Mamdani, which they were, you know, pretty, they were pretty bullish on their odds of beating Mamdani. They were pretty confident about Cuomo. They continued to pour money into Cuomo's campaign. He got endorsements and it didn't work. It didn't work. Vivek says it has something to do with identity politics. JD Vance says it has something to do with infighting in addition to this question of affordability being front and center. And I think I want to just pick up on, on that point about priorities because if you are a political candidate, campaign or party, you should have priorities that allow you to appeal in a way that wins elections. And if you are a movement, let's say you're part of the broader left or the broader right, you don't necessarily have to get elected. Right. If you are at maybe you know where I'm going with this, I a think tank, for example, or a nonprofit or an outside interest group, you might not have to win elections, but you do have to win hearts and minds. You do have to win in the battle of ideas. In fact, a lot of that is part of your job if you work at a think tank or a non profit. And I thought this City Journal piece by Chris Ruffo put the Heritage foundation, slash Tucker Carlson, slash Groiper, whatever, Nick Fuentes, whatever controversy in good perspective. And I just want to highlight a little bit of what I liked about what Rufo wrote. His piece was titled what Everybody Misses about Nick Fuentes. And I think it's without getting into everything Fuentes, I think he makes a good point when he says, quote, the right wing case against Fuentes should be focused focus on actions and outcomes. Fuentes divides the right, taps into the left wing fantasy about conservatives as Nazis, rails against President Trump and Vice President J.D. vance and does not lead young men toward a better life. The incentives for Fuentes and the incentives for the right are completely opposed. If he wins, conservatives lose. This is a major test for the right and one it must win. Arguing with the Nazism versus anti Nazism versus frame misses the point. Even if one side is correct on the merits, we need to rely on cool analysis instead of heated reaction. Instead of feeding the Fentis Fuentes phenomenon, we should point the public in a constructive direction and marginalize those who would sabotage the conservative cause. And this isn't just in response to Fuentes. It's in response to us now being on week two of a controversy over Kevin Roberts putting out a video with his opinion on Tucker Carlson hosting Nick Fuentes. Like we're multiple layers into the Fuentes controversy at this point. And actually today, just a couple of hours ago, Eliana Johnson got over the Free Beacon a leaked full video of an emotional tear filled Heritage foundation town hall that took place today. And again, this was leaked. It was after everyone at the Heritage foundation sat in that room and asked what was going to be done about the leaking, why people were leaking. Senior people at Heritage said do not leak. Resign if you feel like you need to leak, but do not leak. And then in that very video, that very video where they're telling people not to leak, of course it gets leaked and we could do a five hour show, truly we could do a five hour show litigating everything that's happened over the course of the last week since Tucker Carlson sat down with Nick Fuentes and everything exploded. But that has been, you know, that has been digested so many times and it's still going on and there's still part of this new cycle is is yet to come. I thought in light of what happened in the election, I mean I just responded to Rufo and X and said I agree and wanted to add health care costs are about to get higher. We're seeing people plugging in there or looking at on the exchange right now. Exchange is open, enrollment is and finding massive sticker shock with price hikes on health care costs. But health care costs are already extremely high. Republicans barely ever talk about health care costs. It's because it's hard to find a conservative consensus on what the Republican health care plan should look like. Nobody's saying that's easy, but it is one of the primary concerns of your average voter and it has been for years, since before Obamacare, which obviously has made health care less affordable over its time. But let me keep going here. Healthcare costs are about to get higher. Veterans are driving door dash to pay their bills during the shutdown. It's absolutely true. Media reports about that heartbreaking and infuriating SNAP benefits are on the line right now. Don't need to litigate the wisdom of our current SNAP program. Needless to say, I disagree with our current SNAP program. But there are, we can all agree, people who genuinely rely about rely on it. And beef prices are up 50%. And as we all know, where interest rates are right now, young people can't afford homes. Swing voters then are dipping into the news cycle to see another week of conservatives acting like a story about a man most normal people couldn't name who leads a think tank most normal people could not name is one of the most important things happening in the world. So obviously it's important to the right. It's worth talking about. I don't disagree with any of that, but the level of conversation and concern on social media, I think reflects the volume of the focus internally. Even as I've had conversations with folks over the last couple of weeks, sometimes it's hard to avoid because things keep getting leaked. And when something gets leaked, it has to be addressed and it causes more drama and more drama and more drama. So, you know, I don't work at one of these think tanks or nonprofits. It's my job to sit back here and analyze it as somebody in the the media. And it is just objectively true. The people who are leaking are making their own situation worse every single day. The people who continue to talk about saving Kevin Roberts like it is an existential threat to America. Kevin Roberts is the president of Heritage foundation, which I have to explain as somebody broadcasting right now, because not everybody even who's tuning in to a political talk show knows who Kevin Roberts is like. It's just, it's really in the scheme of things that weighs on the average voter's mind every single single day. Not up there right now. And it's not improving the lives of average Americans. It's not. And Trump understood that was a problem the left faced in 2016. People who want to support Donald Trump might need to internalize that lesson a little bit better. When Trump was talking about getting people to the polls in the last couple of days, telling them all caps, true socials, he was Talking about energy costs. Seriously, if you look at his true socials over the last couple of days, saying, go and vote for Republicans. Democrats are going to make energy unaffordable. He's talking about material conditions that affect voting patterns. As Victor Davis Hansen told us earlier in the show, the economy dominates the decision of swing voters and voters in general. And being in touch with that is important. It's not to say any of these other conversations shouldn't happen. It's not to say that anyone is. Is wrong to be upset about something in one direction or the other. But how absurd is it for a movement, the conservative movement, that's focused on, or that should be focused on what, improving the lives of the average American through, as we believe, on the right, conservative values. Right. We believe conservative values are what will improve the life of the average American. It's not that hard of a sort of project or motivation to understand there are all kinds of ways people can disagree with and that even on this very issue. Even on this very issue. But how ridiculous is it during a government shutdown when there are people. I'm not saying the think tanks can do anything about the government shutdown, although there's some argument that they could do this, that or the other thing. But it's astounding, astounding how much attention has been paid to one issue over again, improving the lives of the average American. That doesn't just mean materially. People could talk about, like socially, in ways that are material, in ways I would talk about. You know, I think marriage is something that has a grave effect on the material condition of people, especially people that you're trying to win over in this entire conversation. Housing people's ability to afford houses. What is sending people's resentment to be channeled into the fringes of, you know, Gruperland or whatever the hell else, or the fringes of Mamdanism. It's their material conditions which oftentimes manifest in spiritual sicknesses. I think they're intense spiritual sicknesses. And if I have to do the chicken or the egg, I think the. The spiritual comes first. I mean, there are studies of. I mean, I mentioned these a lot. I always am surprised more people don't talk about this. There's literally studies of indigenous tribes that have barely been touched by the modern world. And if you measure happiness, it's predicated on some pretty obvious conditions. Loneliness, you know, if you have good social ties, if your basic sort of maslow hierarchy of needs are being met. So that includes health care. But that's what makes People say that's what makes people report outside of the modern world, people who are, you know, living without that kind of different material climate that we live in in 2025. There's studies on this, and that's what we find. So that's where I come down on, like, great chicken or the egg debate. Whether it's, you know, economic or social, I think it is first and foremost social. But. But it doesn't mean it doesn't go the other way around too, because it does, and we know that, and it's obvious. And again, that doesn't mean people who are experiencing, you know, ravages of a poorly structured, distorted, perverted economy can't find ways to be truly content and fulfilled. But the project of the conservative movement should be to help people live fulfilling lives. And for too many Americans right now, the entire conservative movement and actually the liberal movement right now are sort of agreed that the goal is to assuage that. And man, the volume of conversation about, you know, there's. I wouldn't have told anybody to turn the volume down, you know, after a couple of days or after, you know, 24 or 48 hours in that time frame. But afterwards, week two, week two, really, we're still doing this. You know, people, you have all kinds of resources, whether it's a platform or monetary resources or infrastructure that is a combination of both of those things. You should show the public, first of all, you should care about what the public cares about and needs, and you should show the public that you care about it too, and you should allocate your resources appropriately. But, you know, we talk about social media all the time here. It's completely distorts people who are operating in good faith, completely distorts our incentives and the way that we discuss. The way that we discuss these things, because when there's that blank screen sitting in front of you saying, here, let me go on, what does it say on X? Does it say what it used to say? Yeah, it says, what's happening? You go on X, it says, what's happening. You get that blank message, right? When you log onto the feed, it's not just showing you other people's tweets, it's trying to seduce you into posting. And it does that also with the incentive system of likes and retweets. Again, this is all made to look like a video game. Notifications, as Tristan Neres has talks about, are red because it's meant to trigger a response that the color red just biologically triggers in human beings. And it gets you Completely hooked on the dopamine triggers is a race to the bottom of the, the brainstem to quote Tristan again. And that is, it's if, if you're aware of it, which everybody is at this point, it's just astounding the degree to which people know it and don't then change. And what does that speak to an addiction? And it's just about everybody who spends a lot of time on X, just about everybody in media and professional politics and people who are sort of hardcore followers of media and engagers with media and professional politics. We're all in that every day. And if you're, if you're not just aggressively, relentlessly trying to pop that bubble and check yourself, it can lead down some really unfortunate roads. So on that note, let's go ahead and roll this clip of Mikey Sherrill, who is the next governor of New Jersey who defeated the Republican. And I want to just roll this clip of how Cheryl was campaigning in the waning days of the election. I am fighting for you. I'm fighting for affordability. I'm fighting to get your costs down. I'm declaring a state of emergency on day one, freezing utility rate hikes. I said last night, I said, you know what, I'm not playing right. I'm not doing a 10 year study. I'm not a strongly worded letter. I'm not going to convene a group. I'm declaring a state of emergency to drive your costs down. And that's just where it starts. Because as I'm looking to the budget, I'm increasing that first time home budget buyers program so you can get your foot in the door, try to build your family's generational wealth. I'm taking on those landlords who are colluding to drive up your rental prices. Will my opponent do that? No. His biggest donor is one of those guys that's being investigated right now. Okay, so see what she did right at the end, she talked about corruption, right. But tied it back to the question of affordability. And, and God forbid I were to ever become a political consultant. That would not be my chosen path in life. And I am fully aware that I'm Monday morning quarterbacking the hell out of this. But, but I was covering the Virginia race again last night at the Sears victory party turned concession speech. And that campaign, you know, Abigail Spanberger did some of the, was running ads on Sears Christian position on marriage, marriage equality as Spanberger I think mentioned. But Sears was talking a lot about culture war issues and I made a documentary back When I worked at the Federalist on the parents of Loudoun county, the amazing, inspiring parents of Loudoun County, Virginia, which actually is the wealthiest county in the country, who fought back, many of whom were not wealthy middle class people who had voted for Obama, whatever else, fought back during COVID on Covid restrictions. They fought back on the CRT they were seeing during Zoom lessons. They could hear what the teachers were talking about. The insane gender policies that had taken over locker rooms and bathrooms in Loudoun County, Virginia. Spamberger increased the vote share for Democrats in a place like Loudoun County, Virginia. What that tells me is a lot of those parents who may have seen Republicans talking about winsome Earle Sears as sort of the future of Trumpism without Trump, you know, what is, what does the Republican Party, what does the conservative movement look like after Trump when you have to have MAGA without Trump to keep the MAGA coalition as people have analyzed, Winston Sears was seen as somebody because Youngkin, I think, has proven himself to be someone who could step into those shoes and chart this new course. But part of the lesson here is that what looked like the future of politics during peak woke is it's, it's different now, right? And so that doesn't mean you can't talk about boys playing in girls sports. You should, you must talk about that. That is correct. And it does matter to everyday people. It matters to working class girls who lose scholarships in track and field, for example, or swimming, which they have poured all of their effort into and end up losing, for example, scholarships because they're not finishing in the races as high up as they would or otherwise. It matters to parents who don't have all of the money in the world to have the best nannies who can monitor every second of their child's life for not that that's a good thing, but you know what I'm saying? It matters. It matters. It matters. It matters. It matters to people who are disproportionately working class, who live in communities with low levels of civil society, as Charles Murray, Robert Putnam and Tim Carney have written about. That is a class issue. So yes, it matters and it should be talked about, but it should be talked about in a way that is framed on people's material conditions. You should say you should tie it back to the same clueless, out of touch elites pushing these wacky policies that are impoverishing you, that are creating a new feudalism that are dividing us. Bernie Sanders has tried that line before when he's asked about sports and many sort of Democratic Socialists have in the past asked about general LGBT issues. It's an elite distraction, and in some ways it absolutely is. I don't disagree with that. Of course. In some ways, it absolutely is an elite distraction. But when you're campaigning, you have to make the case, first of all, not that it's just an elite distraction. Bernie Sanders can say that he has to take the next step and say, well, it's wrong, right? Like, that's the basic litmus test. If you can't say men should be playing, if you can say boys shouldn't be playing a girls sports, voters are automatically going to be like, who? That's a little weird. Wonder what's going on there. But if you're not able as the right to capitalize and say, this is part of the same broader project, you can lose voters who, you know, Mamdani won 55% of people, or I'm sorry, Mamdani won easily. People who said cost of living was their biggest. This is according to exit polls. I think this was NBC. Cost of living was the biggest reason they voted. He did not win on crime or immigration. That was a top issue facing New York City. When people were asked that, he said, or if you said cost of living, then you said, then you voted for Mamdani. He won those voters and he lost people who said crime and immigration, the voters. He won cost of living, 55% of the electorate. 55% of the electorate. So my argument is not just that it is a political winner, but that it is morally right to see all of this as sort of part of the same picture. And where Zuramdani and I depart wildly, of course, is on the role of the state. And I think, you know, there are a lot of statists. I think this is a huge flaw in the current sort of democratic socialist worldview, which is that statism is tied together with the kind of elite plan to curtail speech. Some of these cultural war questions come from the sort of statist they would probably identify as democratic, socialist, but arguably Marxist efforts to knit together a global society where control is vested in the hands of very few. And that's an argument that the right can make. It's an argument the right can make. You know, you don't want to see people making it cynically and then ignoring it because their donors tell them to. And that's obviously a possibility. But not even making the argument, I think is telling, revealing, and quite a mistake in and of itself. Wow, I really can ramble when I have something to say. Let me go ahead. And we're going to talk about Marjorie Taylor Greene and the Morning show in just one moment. So stay tuned for that. Before we get to that though, you know that I love Vandy Crisps. 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All right, let's talk about Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has been on something of a liberal media tour, much to the chagrin of some of the enemies she'd already made by the time she went on the liberal media tour. Going on Bill Maher and the View and cnn, people who were really upset at her for not being a team player on the government shutdown for telling Republicans, as we talk about here all the time, that the health care policy of the Republican Party or the lack of health care policy of the Republican Party is probably a better way to put it is not good enough. Many people are about to see a big premium spike because the Biden subsidies are expiring and nobody on the right thinks those Biden subsidies are good. Marjorie Taylor Greene is not arguing the Biden subsidies are good. The alternative, though, is horrible for people who are going to see 17% spikes in their exchange plans, maybe more for some people. And Republicans are just asking those voters to cross their fingers and hope one day the GOP is able to have so much control of the House and the Senate and the presidency that they pass consensus healthcare legislation, which they didn't do after saying that they would do it, that doesn't just repeal Obamacare but replaces Obamacare and is better. That is clearly everyone knows, not in the near term future. So you're asking people to swallow these massive price hikes, which I agree are going to in the long run make health care less affordable. But either way, you either need people to pay a bunch of money now and hope for a good health care solution, or you can make people's lives a little bit more manageable in a deeply unjust system that everybody agrees is deeply unjust and then also do a health care solution. Either way, you need a health care solution. So it's a matter of whether people are, you know, being asked to swallow these crazy costs which changed the way that they live their lives, of course, or, you know, just finding a way to fix the system and giving them a break on the way. And that's the argument that Marjorie Taylor Greene was making. It's definitely the argument that I've been making. And people were already upset about her. Upset with her about that. They were already upset with her, certainly about Israel. She's never been the most popular member of the Republican conference, though of was course she. She is one of the top small dollar fundraisers. She may be the top small dollar Republican fundraiser in all of Congress. Very popular with a base. Someone who was motivated by health care, as she told the great Megyn Kelly, to end up going into politics motivated by maga. She was one of those people standing at rallies. She's sort of the median MAGA voter who made their way into Congress. Now, yes, her family is well off. They have a small business that does very well. So she's not necessarily a working class MAGA voter, but she's somebody Who. Who's, like, really obviously very dedicated to the cause and has a fairly normal background. So let's roll. Marjorie Taylor Greene stepping into yet another space in liberal media. Cnn, Bill Maher. And now here she is on the View, making her case to a skeptical Sunny. Hostin is like, whoa. QAnon. QAnon. She's like, glitching. Like, I QAnon. Here it is. Say you don't believe in the QAnon conspiracies anymore. Oh, I went over that a long time ago. I mean, we can.

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So you've changed.

Podcast Host (62:26)

Well, no, I haven't changed. I was a victim, just like 21, of media lies and stuff you read on social media. You all have attacked me many times on this show.

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We have.

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Because of things that you read about me that weren't true. Or clips we've seen or clips you've seen was basically out of context.

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Not even true. Not real. Getting the. Oh, Whoopi saying I'm getting the rap sign. Oh, my gosh, was that uncomfortable. This is why it's best not to spend too much time with women all at the same venue. It gets. Well, it gets a little catty. I guess that's the history of the View. They were relatively friendly to Marjorie. Marjorie Taylor Greene, of course, now, because she's, you know, sort of out of favor with Trump and the White House over this, the shutdown issue. And that explains the friendly reception she's gotten since departing from the party line on health care. But Marjorie Taylor Greene, back in 2021. It blows my mind. I shouldn't be surprised, but it blows my mind that people don't pay attention to this or don't talk about this enough. She made what I think is one of the most interesting, compelling floor speeches on the House. On the House floor in recent memory, back in 2021. And it was explaining exactly how she got sucked into the world of QAnon conspiracy theories. And it was so interesting. She talked about how, like many Americans, she does not trust institutions, and thus her mind was fertile ground for people to plant the seeds of completely incorrect information that are often conspiratorial. I'll just read a little bit from it. She says, when we elected President Trump, and then I started seeing things in the news that didn't make sense to me, like Russia collusion, which are conspiracy theories and also have been proven. So these things bothered me deeply, and I realized just watching CNN or Fox News, I may not find the truth. So she says. I started looking up things on the Internet asking questions like most people do every day using Google. I stumbled across something and this was at the end of 2017 called QAnon. Well, these posts were mainly about this Russia collusion information. A lot of it was some of what I would see on the news at night. And I got very interested in it. So I posted about on Facebook. I read about it. And she goes on to say, I didn't trust the government, really, because people here weren't doing the things that I thought that they should be doing for us, the things that I just told you I cared about. And I want you to know a lot about American. A lot of Americans don't trust our government. And that is sad. And she just goes on to say, when I started finding misinformation, lies, things that were not true in these QAnon posts, I stopped believing it. And I want to tell you, any source, and I say this to everyone, any source of information that is a mix of truth and a mix of lies is dangerous. No matter what it is saying what party it is, helping anything or any country it's about, it's dangerous. At the end of the speech, she said, we allow the media that is just as guilty as QAnon. Will we allow the media that is just as guilty as QAnon of presenting truth and lies to divide us? And hearing her confront Sunny Hostin about also being duped by conspiracy theories in with such a quick and clear concise retort. Marjorie Taylor Greene is speaking and picking up on because of her arc coming from actual grassroots MAGA itself, she is much more in touch with the kind of average normie Republican voter than people here in Washington D.C. who have adopted MAGA and wear it like a suit, of course, but privately talk all kinds of trash about MAGA and Trump. That's absolutely a thing. And wouldn't be caught dead at like an Applebee's. Like, seriously wouldn't be caught dead at Applebee's or wearing, you know, they're going out hunting or, you know, wearing their camo, unless it was, you know, in vogue, unless it's, of course, Carhartt, then of course they'll be caught wearing it. But those types of folks, they have no idea what the experience, the news consumption experience for the average American is like. And Marjorie Taylor Greene addressed that years ago, actually very eloquently. And guess what? It never penetrated the narrative. It never penetrated the narrative. I get that Marjorie Taylor Greene is in everybody's cup of tea. And I get people may disagree with her on Ukraine and Israel I disagree with her, certainly, on things, but if you don't understand what she understands about where the average voter is coming from, you're the problem. She's not the problem. And I thought that appearance on the View and that particular exchange really should. Should serve as a lesson to people here in D.C. who think Marjorie Taylor Greene has gone off the reservation, which of course, you're probably not allowed to say anymore, but has gone off the reservation and is no longer a team player. She's actually a canary in a coal mine. That's what she is. I get that people are suspicious when someone goes into a liberal media space. I'm suspicious of that myself. But she has defended MAGA every single time she's gone into that lion's den. When people are laughing at her for what she thinks as a Christian about aliens on Real Time with Bill Maher, she gets laughed at. And she doesn't. She doesn't blink. And that's because she comes from the actual grassroots in the actual MAGA world. And so if you want to criticize her for being opportunistic and cynical, whatever, I would just ask that you watch more than the clips because she's actually being a pretty aggressive and protective, I would say, steward of the MAGA brand. And she is correct. You know, there are some reports she's thinking about running for president. I don't know that that's a good idea, but we'll see. You know, some people run for president as messaging campaigns, right. To shift the Overton window and to. To force the field to grapple with some important questions. That's largely why Bernie Sanders ran in 2016. He didn't think he was going to be president. He didn't think he was going to get as close as he did to Hillary Clinton twice. He was sort of this curiosity in Washington, D.C. a kind of crunchy Vermont guy who was a little bit curmudgeonly. And then he became like the left's grandfather and surprised everyone because he was speaking to something that people really cared about. Again, you don't have to become a statist or a protectionist or, like, fully. You don't have to, like, give your. Maybe you don't agree with the ideological direction of the populism. Fine, fine. But most of the people who don't agree with the ideological direction of populism, it manifests in a way that reveals they just are out of touch or have contempt for kind of the average voter, the average person, even, they don't know it. That's the way it manifests. And that's really what gets me right now is that people taking shots at the populists, which is again, like it's fine to disagree with them. I disagree with them on many things, fine. But they're the ones that have the worst, that continue to have the worst understanding of the lives of actual Americans and the attitudes of actual Americans and the needs and wants of actual Americans. So I wanted to say that about Marjorie Taylor Greene. And before we go, I also wanted to highlight this recent scene from the Morning show, which is an Apple TV production, very splashy, glossy Apple Apple TV production starring Jennifer Aniston and Reese Witherspoon, among other like top level celebrities. Jon Hamm is often in the show when it started. I don't want to spoil anything, actually, I'm just not going to spoil anything. But big, big celebrities on this show. And it traces the struggles of a major media organization, a major corporate media organization. It's actually very succession E. It's more than it's like newsroomy, it's successiony. It's probably more emphasis on the business and the news. But it's quite an interesting glimpse at the overlap between business and news. I think Brian Stelter is a producer on it and it's loosely based on a book that he wrote. It is absolutely leaning to the left. No question about that. This season they have a Joe Rogan type character and it's going in some surprising directions. One surprising direction. It's difficult to watch the morning show because often it'll relitigate Covid. So the seasons are always like a couple of years behind and then it'll relitigate. Big tech stuff or relitigate in this case, in the case of this season, kind of that peak woke era of the last election. Like right now they're in the midst of the Paris Olympics and all of that and dealing with AI and so let's watch the scene. And this is why, I mean, it's kind of more business than newsy. The scene where one of the top executives tries to debut at kind of an upfront event with the media. An AI character that can interact with news consumers. 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Are you talking about Seline's husband? So the show is pretty carefully center left and occasionally there, there are streaks of rebelliousness in that center left worldview, which is my. That, that would be kind of my assessment of major media now with what, like a decade of experience hanging around with the journalists? That's kind of my general assessment of major media. Because journalists are the personality types that do not want to feel like conformists. Right? Like they want to feel. It's. Jake Tapper is a really good example of this. Right. Like he, he's has an enormous talent of picking up on where the wind is blowing. You thought maybe I was going to surprise you. I wasn't. That's Jake Tapper's talent. And you know he'll say something contrarian the. The moment that it's becoming convenient to say something contrarian. And so I think that's the case with the morning show here. It's sort of convenient to have the reality presented that most corporate media executives probably were thinking DEI is doing more harm than good. Doesn't work. It's probably 50 50. But many of them, this AI was trained on this executive and her interactions, her history. And they're making this case, I think at a time when it's become much more convenient to see a Joe Rogan fig figure with nuance or to see the DEI conversation with some nuance and to turn the lens back on corporate media itself and say there are structural corruption questions problems baked into the way major media is doing business. There's a major media network that's recently been merged. And so again, there's a lot of succession in the show. And what it's doing is kind of turning the camera back on corporate media in ways that are occasionally very accurate and interesting. So it's curious to me. I mean, I think the morning show sometimes is too in the weeds and Appeals basically to journalists and the type of people that watched like Jeff Daniels Weird LARPing project in the newsroom. That's a pretty narrow audience, so maybe that's why it doesn't get talked about. But this is Jennifer acting Jennifer Aniston. Jennifer acting Jennifer Aniston's best performance. The writing in this, this particular season I think is pretty clunky. But if we're, we're assessing all of the seasons, she's out acting. Reese Witherspoon, who has an, an Oscar, she's out acting, dare I say Jon Hamm, who I think is very good in the show. I think it's the performance and I know it's television, so. Ooh. But I think it might be the performance of, of her career, especially the earlier seasons. And so it's a, it's quite an interesting watch. If you're not watching it, if you haven't watched it, which I find is true of so many people, might want to add it to your list. Again, it's kind of hard to go back and watch Covid and the show is absolutely center left. But every once in a while, that streak of rebelliousness, you know, the people who, who, who write the show, produce the show, they want to feel a little bit non conformist, right? Like they, they're artists, they're, they're writers, they're journalists. They want to feel like they're, they're capturing something and they're capturing something real and they're, you know, pushing boundaries even if it's, it's just here and there. So those here and there moments can be really, really interesting. And we, we so infrequently discuss the business of media in our media criticisms. And, and this show is helpful for focusing more on the business than actually on the substance of the news itself itself. And so even if I disagree with a lot of the conclusions that are being posited by the show, corporate media is absolutely corrupted and influenced by those terrible, those terrible motivations. Incentive. This, this bad incentive structure. And it's so like one of the funniest parts of the show, unintentionally funniest parts of the show is the self congratulatory self seriousness of the journalists. Or like, like this is media. I am a journalist. How dare you make me talk about the weather. That stuff's pretty funny. Or in like the, the lines are like, it is, it's, it's like if Don Lemon wrote a show about his time at cnn, it's like Don Lemon's autobiography. That's what the morning show. That's what the dialogue is. But again, it has some, some moments of, of real brilliance, dare I say it. All right. I will wrap there for the evening because guess what? I will be back recording happy hour tomorrow that airs on Fridays. So make sure you're subscribed over on the podcast feed for that. And I don't know if you missed this news this week, but afterparty is going to be airing on the brand new Megyn Kelly Channel 111, SiriusXM. It's going to be airing on Wednesday and Friday at 10am each Eastern, Wednesday and Friday. And then guess what? You're gonna get so much more of me. Megan announced this yesterday, but the 2pm hour right after Megan channel 1 11. That's me. I'll be there. So if you have SiriusXM, come hang out. If you don't have SiriusXM, get it so that you can come hang out because we're gonna be there doing the Megyn Kelly Wrap up show and it's so exciting. The Megyn Kelly Wrap up show show Weekdays, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. You'll get me some days twice on channel 111, 2pm hour. See you there everyone.

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