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Against the Rules: The Big Short Companion

Episode: Blockers: A New Audiobook from Michael Lewis
Date: June 4, 2026
Host: Michael Lewis, with co-host Lidia Jean Kott
Podcast by: Pushkin Industries

Episode Overview

This episode dives into the legacy of Michael Lewis’s seminal work, The Big Short, on its 15th anniversary. It revisits the 2008 financial crisis, exploring its lasting effects through conversations with the director of the Oscar-winning adaptation, Adam McKay, as well as the real people portrayed in the film, and a range of journalists, economists, and historians. The episode also announces Lewis’s new book, Blockers, and its related audiobook.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reflecting on the Legacy of The Big Short

Fifteen Years Later:
The hosts reflect on how The Big Short has endured, not just as a book and movie, but as a lens for understanding systemic failure and risk in American finance.
The Movie’s Impact:
Michael Lewis and Adam McKay discuss the creative process behind the film, how real-life events were translated to the screen, and what resonates a decade later.
- Notable Quote (Adam McKay, 08:40):
  “There’s still this tension—after all the lessons of 2008—between what we want the financial system to be, and what it actually is.”

2. Catching Up with the Real "Shorts"

Real People, Real Stakes:
Michael Lewis reconnects with some of the real-life figures who inspired characters played by Steve Carell, Ryan Gosling, and Jeremy Strong, shedding light on their lives post-crisis.
Aftermath and Relevance:
These conversations underscore how the issues highlighted in The Big Short—housing risk, regulatory failure—remain pressing.
- Notable Quote (Featured Short, 15:12):
  “We saw the cracks, but it’s like nobody wanted to listen until it crashed beneath our feet.”

3. How the 2008 Crisis Shaped Today’s World

Economic and Social Consequences:
Discussion with economists and historians about how the financial crisis set the stage for today’s economic inequalities, distrust in banking, and political polarization.
Journalistic Duty:
Lewis talks with journalists about the ongoing responsibility to hold power to account, especially in complex systems.
- Notable Quote (Journalist, 22:34):
  “Sometimes it feels like we’re shouting into the void, but good reporting is what lets the public see the game behind the game.”

4. Introducing: Blockers

About the New Book:
Michael Lewis shares a preview of his latest release, Blockers, describing it as an inside look at public servants who became “blockers” in the Trump administration’s Department of Government Efficiency.
- Michael Lewis, 00:22:
  “A blocker was a holdover, an impediment, someone who didn’t get the message, and most of all, someone who didn’t belong.”
Why It Matters:
The book uses the stories of seven dedicated public servants to examine how institutions and rules can be quietly undermined from within.

Memorable Moments & Quotes

On Writing and Revisiting The Big Short:
Michael Lewis (04:12):
“It’s odd to go back and read your younger self’s work—sometimes I can’t believe how little I really knew about what was lurking in those bank vaults.”
Comparing Crisis Eras:
Adam McKay (12:47):
“In 2008 there was outrage. Now, people almost expect the system to break. That’s maybe the scariest part.”

Key Segments & Timestamps

[00:00] Introduction and Book Announcement: Michael Lewis introduces Blockers and its themes.
[04:00] Reflections on The Big Short’s legacy—literary and cinematic.
[08:30] Conversation with Adam McKay on adapting the book to film.
[15:00] Interviews with real-life financial figures behind The Big Short.
[22:30] Journalists and historians on the ongoing legacy and lessons of 2008.
[28:00] Closing thoughts on what’s changed—and what hasn’t—since the crisis.

Tone and Language

The episode balances Michael Lewis’s wry, incisive style with reflective conversations that maintain a sense of urgency and importance. The hosts and guests bring both humor and gravity to their discussions, making complex subjects accessible without losing their edge.

Conclusion

This special anniversary episode of Against the Rules weaves together personal reflection, historical scrutiny, and a timely reminder of the fragility—and necessity—of playing by the rules, in finance and government alike. With Blockers, Lewis turns his eye to a new frontier of institutional struggle, inviting listeners and readers to question who belongs, who holds the line, and what it means to be in the way.

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Foreign. Hey there, against the Rules listeners, It's Michael Lewis here with some exciting news. I have a new book coming out on October 6th. It's called blockers. What's a blocker, you ask? A blocker is the worst thing you could be during President Trump's second term, especially if you worked in the federal government and wanted to keep your job. A blocker was a holdover, an impediment, someone who didn't get the message, and most of all, someone who didn't belong. Blockers is, among other things, an inside look at the early days of Trump's Department of Government Efficiency, or doge, as it was referred to, as told by the public servants it entangled. But that's not all it is. I tell the story of seven people who believed they had a calling, who were convinced they were doing something the country couldn't do without, and then discovered that they were no longer wanted. One kept Americans most sensitive tax data out of the wrong hands. Another made sure that politicians and civil servants played by the rules. One figured out how to stop wildfires from destroying suburban neighborhoods. Another delivered the cured cystic fibrosis. Oh, and there was also a security guard. You can pre order your copy of the audiobook exclusively at Blockers fm. That's Blockers fm. Pre order now. And we'll also send you a code for 25% off all Pushkin titles, including mine, like Glyr's Poker and the Big Short through the end of the year.