Podcast Summary: AICPA Personal Financial Planning (PFP)
Episode Title: The Power of Client Communication: 4S Framework for Financial Planners
Date: January 28, 2025
Guests:
- Host: Kerry Sinnott (AICPA PFP Section)
- Guest: Mark Gochnauer (Head of Global Client Services at Dimensional Fund Advisors)
Overview
This episode explores the critical role of effective communication in personal financial planning, spotlighting the "4S Framework" designed to help financial planners better connect with clients. Mark Gochnauer shares practical strategies for making communications more impactful and relatable, highlighting the benefits for both client relationships and professional differentiation.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
The Value of Client Communication
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Fundamental to Success:
Mark emphasizes that communication is central to every relationship, both personal and professional. In a market where services often sound alike, authentic communication helps advisors differentiate themselves."When things are going well, you probably communicated properly, when things probably aren't going as well... it probably wasn't there as well as it should have been." – Mark (01:47)
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Understanding Audience Needs:
Financial planners tend to focus too deeply on technical details or industry jargon clients may not understand. The key is to balance expertise with clarity, focusing on what matters to the client."As experts, we just love to talk... That's usually a challenge because it's usually too deep, too technical, and it's not necessarily what a client’s looking for." – Mark (03:41)
Common Communication Challenges (04:00–07:17)
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Technical Overload:
Advisors often overwhelm clients by diving straight into details. -
Industry Jargon:
Language like “active management,” “passive management,” or “fiduciary” is often misunderstood. Dimensional’s research shows clients either react inaccurately or don’t understand these terms."In the high majority of cases [about 'fiduciary'], it was, I don't know what that means..." – Mark (06:02)
Making Communication Relatable (06:39–07:17)
- Translate the Technical:
Communicate at the right level. Keep it high-level unless the client wants to dig deeper. - Engage and Listen:
Focus on topics meaningful to clients, ensuring they feel heard and understood.
Introducing the 4S Framework (07:17–14:23)
- Origin:
Developed by David Swanik at Dimensional’s London office. - Purpose:
A universal approach for preparing and delivering impactful communication, regardless of industry or context.
The 4S’s Breakdown
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Scripts (08:24)
- Prepare responses to common questions.
- Not about memorization, but knowing key messages and practicing delivery.
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"You've got to be prepared... know your two or three bullet points and how you're going to address that particular question." – Mark (08:58)
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Stories (09:07)
- Engage through personal or client stories to build rapport and emotional connection.
- Mark shares his own family’s financial hardship as a cautionary tale and motivator for his passion as an advisor.
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"I share that story because... that’s why I have so much passion around what advisors do and why they are the most important part in somebody’s financial success." – Mark (11:16)
- Storytelling helps clients see themselves in the narrative, which deepens impact and shapes decision-making.
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Sketches (14:23)
- Use visuals—drawings, diagrams, whiteboards—to co-create understanding with the client.
- Drawing together keeps sessions interactive and solidifies key concepts.
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Supplements (14:52)
- Leverage tangible materials—handouts, charts, or other visuals—to reinforce the message after meetings.
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On Differentiation in Financial Advice:
"How do you differentiate yourself then among that marketplace? And I think communication is the key." – Mark (03:20)
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On Technical Language & Client Engagement:
"If it’s too technical, then they’re going to say, this person’s not hearing me and what’s important to me. And... people tune out when it starts to get a little technical." – Mark (07:17)
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On the Power of Storytelling:
"That’s the beauty of storytelling, is when you’re doing that, you insert yourself into the story... then it becomes more emotionalized." – Mark (11:16)
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On the Need for Practice:
"Are we putting that kind of practice into what we do every day as professionals?... We owe it to our clients to practice on each other, get better in our craft..." – Mark (16:03)
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On What Clients Really Remember:
"They're not going to remember every detail of the technical information... they're going to remember your story and how it relates to their lives..." – Kerry (17:37)
Timestamps for Important Segments
- 01:35 – Why communication is critical in financial planning
- 03:33 – Challenges financial planners face in client communication
- 06:39 – Translating technical terminology for clients
- 07:17 – The origins and essential elements of the 4S Framework
- 08:24–14:23 – In-depth breakdown of Scripts, Stories, Sketches, and Supplements
- 15:13 – Real-world examples of the framework’s impact
- 16:30 – The importance of continuous practice for professionals
Final Thoughts & Takeaways
- Human connection is critical: Successful planners focus on communication that resonates, not just impresses.
- Preparation and practice matter: Use scripts, stories, visuals, and supplemental materials to engage all kinds of clients.
- Differentiation through communication: Personalized, relatable, jargon-free engagements distinguish advisors in a crowded field.
- Storytelling is memorable: Clients remember stories, not technical minutiae.
- Practical opportunities to learn: The upcoming AICPA Summit will offer hands-on practice with this framework.
Resources: For more, visit the AICPA PFP Section.
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