AEE 2403: Don't Let Your English Go Downhill

Summary

Podcast Summary: All Ears English Podcast – Episode 2403: "Don't Let Your English Go Downhill"

Release Date: May 6, 2025
Hosts: Lindsay McMahon and Michelle Kaplan

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Introduction to the Episode

In Episode 2403 of the All Ears English Podcast, hosts Lindsay McMahon and Michelle Kaplan delve into the topic of expressing declining quality in various contexts using American English. This episode serves as a practical guide for intermediate to advanced ESL learners to articulate their observations and opinions effectively.

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Understanding the Phrase "Go Downhill"

The central theme of the episode revolves around the expression "go downhill," which is commonly used to describe a decline in quality or standards. The hosts explore different scenarios where this phrase can be aptly used.

Michelle Kaplan introduces the topic by reflecting on personal experiences:
"A common conversation topic is the quality of our favorite restaurant, movie theater, or coffee shop. And more today, learn what to say when the quality of something is declining in English." [00:59]

Lindsay McMahon shares a personal anecdote about her hometown:
"I would actually say my hometown's gone downhill a little bit... I did notice a difference, Michelle, when I went back there around the pandemic." [02:00]

This example highlights how "go downhill" can describe changes in a community's vibrancy and economic health.

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Expanding the Usage of "Go Downhill"

The hosts provide a variety of contexts where "go downhill" can be effectively utilized:

1. Businesses and Services:
   Lindsay McMahon discusses the impact of private equity on small businesses:
   "Private equity companies are buying a lot of like mom and pop businesses... often looking to save money around the margins, reduce labor." [06:17]

   Michelle Kaplan adds that complacency can lead to a decline:
   "A store gets a little too overconfident... and they don't focus on quality anymore." [12:28]

2. Personal Preferences and Products:
   Lindsay McMahon remarks on changes in Girl Scout cookies:
   "It feels like they're not as satisfying anymore... the taste is not as satisfying." [03:35]

   Michelle Kaplan shares her disappointment with a clothing store's shift in color palettes:
   "I used to like bright colors... now it's drab and boring." [07:47]

3. Entertainment and Media:
   Discussing TV shows and movies, the hosts illustrate how sequels can sometimes lead to perceived declines:
   Michelle Kaplan: "I think that TV show started going downhill after the two main characters started dating." [09:32]

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Alternative Expressions for Decline

Beyond "go downhill," Lindsay and Michelle introduce other phrases to describe a decline:

• "Went South": Often used to indicate that something has deteriorated significantly.

  Michelle Kaplan:
  "Something goes south... you can say their friendship went south after the one big fight." [16:05]

• "Not What It Used To Be": Emphasizes a change from a previous standard or condition.

  Lindsay McMahon:
  "It just feels very different to me. Not even strength to say how it was done 20 years ago." [14:00]

• "Deteriorated": A more formal term suitable for various contexts, including health and professional services.

  Michelle Kaplan:
  "The quality of this restaurant deteriorated, but their prices went up." [17:21]

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Role-Playing Exercise

To solidify understanding, Lindsay and Michelle engage in a role-play scenario where they practice using "go downhill" in a conversation between friends dining at a restaurant.

Lindsay McMahon (as herself):
"Oh, that's not very good." [17:47]

Michelle Kaplan:
"Hey, do you feel like this place has gone downhill?" [17:55]

Lindsay McMahon:
"I mean, they did get a new chef. Their other location is definitely not what it used to be." [18:02]

This exercise demonstrates the natural flow of using the phrase in everyday conversations, making it easier for listeners to adopt these expressions.

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Takeaways and Practical Applications

Michelle Kaplan emphasizes the importance of maintaining quality and avoiding complacency: "If you are a business owner... try to always make sure that you pay attention to the quality and don't get too complacent." [20:05]

Lindsay McMahon adds that such expressions are integral to everyday interactions: "A big portion of our conversations are often about our choices in the market... this is going to be a huge portion of your connection conversations." [20:30]

Listeners are encouraged to use these phrases to discuss changes in quality, whether in businesses, products, or personal relationships, thereby enhancing their conversational English skills.

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Conclusion

In this episode, All Ears English provides valuable insights into expressing perceptions of decline in quality using nuanced English phrases. Through real-life examples, alternative expressions, and practical role-playing, Lindsay McMahon and Michelle Kaplan equip listeners with the tools to communicate more effectively and connect with others using authentic American English.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Michelle Kaplan [00:59]:
  "A common conversation topic is the quality of our favorite restaurant, movie theater, or coffee shop..."

• Lindsay McMahon [02:00]:
  "My hometown's gone downhill a little bit... I did notice a difference..."

• Lindsay McMahon [06:17]:
  "Private equity companies are buying a lot of like mom and pop businesses..."

• Michelle Kaplan [09:32]:
  "I think that TV show started going downhill after the two main characters started dating."

• Michelle Kaplan [16:05]:
  "Something goes south... you can say their friendship went south after the one big fight."

• Michelle Kaplan [20:05]:
  "If you are a business owner... try to always make sure that you pay attention to the quality and don't get too complacent."

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This comprehensive summary captures the essence of Episode 2403, providing ESL learners with a clear understanding of how to discuss declining quality in various contexts using American English expressions.

Transcript

[Lindsay McMahon]

This is an All Ears English podcast. Episode 2403. Don't let your English go downhill. Welcome to the All Ears English podcast, downloaded more than 200 million times. Are you feeling stuck with your English? We'll show you how to become fearless and fluent by focusing on connection, not perfection, with your American hosts, Lindsay McMahon, the English adventurer, and Michell Kaplan, the New York radio girl, coming to you from Colorado and New York City, usa. To get real time transcripts right on your phone and create your personalized vocabulary list, try the All Ears English app for iOS and Android. Start your seven day free trial at allearsenglish.com app.

[Michelle Kaplan]

A common conversation topic is the quality of our favorite restauran movie theater or coffee shop. And more today, learn what to say when the quality of something is declining in English.

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[Michelle Kaplan]

Hello, Lindsay.

[Lindsay McMahon]

How are you? Excellent, Michelle. What's going on in your world today?

[Michelle Kaplan]

Everything is good. Everything is good. Lindsay, has any thing or any place that you've that you've really liked gone downhill recently?

[Lindsay McMahon]

I would actually say my hometown's gone downhill a little bit. Well, I haven't been back in a couple years, but it did. Yeah, a little town in southern southwestern New Hampshire, kind of some industry left the town. And I did notice a difference, Michelle, when I went back there around the pandemic. Yeah.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Sort of downtown stores boarded up, you know, places out of business. Not a total destruction, but just I've seen the changes. It used to be a more bustling, cute little small city, small town in New England.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah, that's too bad.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yeah, it is kind of too bad. What about you? Have you seen anything go downhill?

[Michelle Kaplan]

I, I, I'm, I'm just thinking just based on kind of your example. It just made me think of some of the shopping malls. So we, you know, the, you can always kind of see when stores close, start to close, and you're thinking, oh, things have gone downhill at that mall. And like the mall where I grew up, I mean, I didn't grow up in the mall. But the mall near where I grew up, it. It started to go downhill and eventually it did close down. So that was just what made me. What you said made me think of that.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yeah. This is an interesting expression, go downhill because it's an important conversation. There are, you know, and it's not always just about cities and towns being in decline. It could even be, you know, honestly. Well, one thing that comes to mind is the recipe of Girl Scout cookies has gone downhill to me. Have you, did you buy Girl Scout cookies this year? I don't know if you bought.

[Michelle Kaplan]

I, I didn't personally buy them, but my husband did buy them for. For his office for something. But I didn't eat. I didn't even eat them.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Have you heard, like the talk on the street about the thin mints? I don't know if you've heard it, but it feels like they're. They're not as they're. I don't know, there's something different in them that I. When I was a kid and now just the taste is not as satisfying anymore and I' conversation, it's not just in my head. Girl Scout cookies. So we're not just talking about cities and towns in decline. We can talk about a lot of things to express your opinion. You are a consumer. You have buying power. What are the choices you're making and why?

[Michelle Kaplan]

Right, Right. Yeah, exactly. So today we're going to talk about how to say something doesn't have isn't as good quality as it used to be. So we're going to get into that in just a second. But first we want to say thank you so, so much to those who have left us a review. Lindsay, what do we want to say?

[Lindsay McMahon]

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[Michelle Kaplan]

Thanks, guys. Thank you so much.

[Lindsay McMahon]

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[Michelle Kaplan]

Okay, awesome. Thank you so much. It really means a lot.

[Lindsay McMahon]

It does. Absolutely. All right, Michelle, let's get deeper into this. I love that today, you know, we're honing homing in on this phrase, go downhill.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah, yeah. And this came up because a friend of mine said, I used to love this coffee shop, but I don't know what happened. It went downhill.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yes, yes.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Lindsay, do you. Is this something you say, Would you describe something as having gone downhill?

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yeah, I think it is more commonly used when you talk about maybe restaurants, locations, neighborhoods, towns, cities, but products too. The quality of the coffee has gone downhill, the service has gone downhill, the ice cream, the taste of the ice cream has gone. Yeah, absolutely, I do. Michelle. Yes.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah. I mean, this, it makes me think of a lot when a place gets new management. You ever go to a new, a new restaurant and something is a little bit different and then you find out that they have new owners and you're like, yeah.

[Lindsay McMahon]

And actually. Yeah, so there's a, there's something, a phenomenon that's going on right now in, in corporate America or in, in, in everyday America is that private equity companies are buying a lot of like mom and pop businesses, like family owned businesses. Right. And so for example, my vet's office, it was bought, I, I think it was bought by a private equity company. And sometimes these companies make, make it better, but, but often it's looking to save money around the margins, reduce labor. So that's where we might see that this is common now in car washes, vet offices, and a number of other sort of service based businesses that can be systematized. So it's something that I always have my radar out for and I look to change my provider or I try to think about that, but then you're always like, oh, my vet's office is right down the street. So.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Right. You know, sometimes you just do it for the convenience. I know, Yeah. I mean, so this is a lot of times what happens. And this is so to say that something has gone downhill, it means the quality has diminished, as you guys can tell by based on what we're talking about. But it's disappointing when that happens. Yeah. Like for me, for me there was a certain. I'm not a, I'm not a huge shopper, but there was a certain clothing store that I used to like and they always had really bright colors. And I just, I, I loved, I like to wear bright colors. And then I feel like it went downhill. Like the colors, it's drab and boring. Whenever I look in there, it's just, it's not for me anymore.

[Lindsay McMahon]

But, but could that just be the changing colors of the season or the style? Because I know in the pandemic there were a Lot of bright colors. Like a lot of bright yellows, pinks, my shirt that I. I bought a lot of bright colors then and now I feel like a lot of stores do show those more muted tones. Do you think that's just the styles or do you think that's the store? I don't know.

[Michelle Kaplan]

It seems to me that the store has, like, made a particular decision to kind of change.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Interesting.

[Michelle Kaplan]

It's. It. I don't know. I. It just feels very different to me. Not. Not even. I mean, I'm not like, out there surveying different stores, and I'm not. I'm not such a. I don't know. I don't know the styles. I don't know anything about fashion. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it just seemed to me like to be a very stark shift and.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Okay.

[Michelle Kaplan]

But I mean, it could just be the style, but to me, the. It went downhill. It's not somewhere that I am excited. I used to see this place and I would say, oh, oh, I can't wait to go in and look at all this stuff. And now I see it and I just kind of walked by, so. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yeah. I mean, so closing is a good example. You know, service businesses, food quality, drink quality coffee, towns and cities. Those are all things we talk about when we talk about going downhill. Right, right.

[Michelle Kaplan]

And at All Ears English, we always work so hard to make sure the quality of this podcast doesn't go downhill.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Right. Yeah. We try to keep the experience very consistent. Right. We know what it feels like to listen to an episode of Allers English, and we try to hold that as steady as we can for you guys.

[Michelle Kaplan]

That's right. So let's give some more examples of how this would be used in sentences.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Okay. That restaurant has really gone downhill since the management changed. Yeah. Legitimate. Yeah, for sure. What else?

[Michelle Kaplan]

Y. I think that TV show started going downhill after the two main characters started dating.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Or if you could say for a franchise or a series, you know, you have a. A first movie and then there's a sequel. And what do they call the third? Like a what, Triqual? No, what's the word for like a third in a series? I don't know.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Usually I'm not sure.

[Lindsay McMahon]

I don't know either. But usually the first is the best. And then. Yeah, there might be a few exceptions, but then it starts to kind of like, ah, it's the same story. Recycled.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Right, right. It goes downhill. Yeah. Or you could say we don't want our service to go downhill, so we should Make a new hire.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Excellent. These are great examples, right? And this is a common connection skill. As you're sitting in a restaurant or you're buying a coffee, it's okay to make comments like this, right? This is a, it's, it's a, you know, it's a open market world where we make choices with our money and it's okay to comment like this. Okay.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah. Yep, exactly.

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[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, maybe, maybe a store gets a little, or maybe some place gets a little too overconfident. Right? And they don't focus on quality anymore. And they just think, oh, they have, they have their people already. They're good. And then they don't realize it, but things are slowly going downhill and eventually people are going to notice. Right?

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yeah. And that brings up the word in my mind, complacency.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Right.

[Lindsay McMahon]

So this is a very high level C one word that we should. That this will be in the iOS Android app for sure. So when a business becomes complacent, they, they just rest on their laurels and they say, okay, we've been successful, we built a name for ourselves, and now we can kind of sit back, maybe we can save a little money around the margins.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yep. Cut corners.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Exactly. It's not just private equity. Right. It's. Yeah. If you've been in business for a while, you. You get tired. Right. Maybe you get a little tired, so. And then you can be disrupted. And that's what I love about kind of our economy. There's always going to be someone nipping at your heels. Right. And that's a good thing for businesses.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah. Keep you on your toes. You gotta, you have to always keep with the quality. And. Yes. You know, the more you try and cut corners, you become, I think, more at risk for.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yeah. Eventually they. They know the customers will notice it. Right. So, Michelle, what are some other ways of saying this?

[Michelle Kaplan]

Well, you can say that something is not what it used to be or not what it was. Yeah. Like her music isn't what it used to be. I think her heart isn't in it anymore.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yes, exactly. I mean, sometimes it's just someone who's feeling nostalgic. And it's not that the quality's gone down, but people maybe, like how it was done 20 years ago, maybe if technologies, you know, AI is being used instead of, I don't know, something else. Maybe people just liked it before.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Like. Like checkouts in the, in, in a grocery store. I could see someone saying like, oh, it's not what it used to be, but maybe other people would say that's actually better now.

[Michelle Kaplan]

You mean the self checkout?

[Lindsay McMahon]

The self checkout, yeah.

[Michelle Kaplan]

What are your thoughts on the self checkout?

[Lindsay McMahon]

It's good. I don't have any issues with self checkout. Sometimes like my groceries fall over. Whatever. Yeah, there's no space for your bag.

[Michelle Kaplan]

And then like, also when you. There's some sort of error and then you have to wait for somebody to come over. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, hon. Like, I'm old school. I feel like I would rather just go to stand in line and have somebody do it. Unless. Unless. Okay. Well, if I'm with my kids, like, I can't. I. It's very hard in any case, so, like, it's easier for me to have somebody else help me.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love that in the grocery store.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Oh, oh, it's a site. It's a site. What? Like the. My girl, she has. The grocery store that we've been going to has little shopping carts and she. And she likes to take hers around and then she picks up and then she finds all the candy on all this, and. Yeah. So. And then. Oh, and then my favorite thing is she has a full, tiny shopping cart and I have a full cart. And then she decides she doesn't want to push her cart anymore. Oh, yeah.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Then you're pushing a baby shopping cart of candy. I love it.

[Michelle Kaplan]

And then a big shopping cart, and I'm trying. And then she'll go uppie and then everything. Yeah.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Oh, Michelle. Wow. Okay. All right.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Lindsay McMahon]

That sounds like a challenge. Well, I mean, in terms of the checkout, I just go for what's fastest where the line is not gathering, you know, so it's so. So I just want to put in that caveat. Sometimes it's more people are saying this in nostalgia, out of nostalgia, and maybe it doesn't mean quality's gone down. It just means things are being done differently.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Right, right. Yep, exactly. So another thing that people say is something goes south or went south. So even you can use this about people. You can say their friendship went south. South after the one big fight.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yes. Very interesting. Right. So now we're talking about relationships. So this is a whole other realm, other aspect that does apply. But do we say our friendship went downhill? I guess you could say that. Right? Friendship went downhill.

[Michelle Kaplan]

I could. I might not say, like, our friendship went down downhill. I might say something like, oh, everything went downhill after. Blah, blah, blah. Right. I don't know. But I. But there's no reason you can't use that in.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yeah, I don't think it's incorrect. So these do apply to a lot of different aspects of our life which matter. Which are the substance of our connections and our conversations declined or deteriorated. If we want to use some high level, you know, B2, C1 vocab, this can be used to talk about health.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Right.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Her health declined after she broke her hip.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Or hold on. I was writing down some vocabulary words for us. The quality of this restaurant deteriorated, but their prices went up.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yeah. And let's pronounce that one again to make sure it's super clear. So the quality of this restaurant deteriorated. That's a workout, Michelle, for my job. Oh, my gosh. I feel like I need to pronounce that word. The quality of this restaurant deteriorated. How many syllables is that?

[Michelle Kaplan]

You're rated. Yeah, it's a lot. Yeah. So. Yeah, but those are good ones as well. So should we do a role play, Lindsay?

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yeah, Michelle, let's do it. So here you and I are, friends having lunch. Okay. Very common scenario. Right.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Okay.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yes.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Try this.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Okay. Oh, that's not very good.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah. Hey, do you feel like this place has gone downhill kind of.

[Lindsay McMahon]

I mean, they did get a new chef. Their other location is definitely not what it used to be.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Right. It's too bad. I loved this place. Even the quality of the coffee has declined.

[Lindsay McMahon]

I guess we shouldn't come anymore.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah, it's definitely gone south. Let's go somewhere else next time.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Sounds good.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Oh, they just lost customers. Didn't.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Oh, not good. Really hard. Really hard. So here we used a few of our. Our expressions. So you said, yeah, you gave me something to taste.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Right.

[Lindsay McMahon]

So we're doing the taste test. Right, the taste test. Can't fight with the taste test. And then you said, hey, do you feel like this place has gone downhill? Right.

[Michelle Kaplan]

And then you said, their other location is definitely. Their other location is definitely not what it used to be. Yes.

[Lindsay McMahon]

And then I said, even the quality of the coffee has declined.

[Michelle Kaplan]

And then we said. I said it. Yeah, it's definitely gone south.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yes.

[Michelle Kaplan]

This.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Now, this is a common. And it doesn't have to be all negative because it actually could be the genesis of finding something new, finding something better. And we do this. We change. We have our regular. You know the expression to have a haunt. Your haunts. Your regular. I love that one. Also a really high level vocab. The places you like to go. Your haunts.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Right.

[Lindsay McMahon]

We have our haunts, the places we visit, but maybe we change those to keep life vibrant and interesting. And maybe we do it based on what tastes good or what's a good.

[Michelle Kaplan]

What's it.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Where is good? Is service good? It's normal.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Yeah.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Right.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Definitely. Oh, my gosh. Well, yeah, this has been fun, Lindsay. I also want to direct our listeners to episode 2398. That was how to choose your words for connection with Marcy Axelrod.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Yeah, that's a great episode. I love when we have guest episodes on the show because they really. Our guests really open our eyes to how we could change certain words that we're using on a daily basis and how our words have such impact on the message we're conveying. Guys, so go listen to that episode. And Michelle, what's our takeaway for today?

[Michelle Kaplan]

Oh, man. Guys, if you are an a business owner or you know, anybody who produces something, try to always make sure that you pay attention to the quality and don't get too complacent. Right. And. But yeah, these. These words are really good. I mean, I. It's sad to talk about things that aren't good anymore.

[Lindsay McMahon]

Right.

[Michelle Kaplan]

But it's, it's a fact of life that we do discuss. And so these are. Now, you know, how to do it.

[Lindsay McMahon]

I think it's normal. I mean, a big portion of our conversations are often about our choices in the market, what kind of food do we buy, where do we go to eat, what. What movie theater do we go to, how, how comfy are the seats in the movie theater. So this is going to be a huge, huge portion of your connection conversations.

[Michelle Kaplan]

I love it.

[Lindsay McMahon]

So good.

[Michelle Kaplan]

Absolutely.

[Lindsay McMahon]

All right. Good stuff, Michelle. I'll see you back here on the show very soon. Guys, don't forget to leave a review for all Ears English. Okay?

[Michelle Kaplan]

All right. Bye, guys. This was fun. Have a great day. Bye.

[Lindsay McMahon]

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