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This is an All Ears English podcast. Episode 24:56 Connect over connecting flights and flying habits in English.
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Good, Lindsay, good. How are you?
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Really good. Really good. What are we getting into? We talking about travel today?
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Yes, we are in the summer. And guys, I'm sure a lot of you are taking summer trips this summer. How many times can I say summer? So we are going to be talking about flying. But Lindsay, what is the hardest? I mean, you've done so much traveling. What would you say is the hardest long haul flight you've ever had?
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Oh, Michelle, I've had some tough ones. When you go to Asia, right? So a couple tough ones when we did our urban immersion adventure in Tokyo were really hard. I did 12 hours in the Istanbul airport, just which is actually kind of a cool place to spend 12 hours. It's the crossroads of Asia, Europe and Africa. And so just sitting there and people watching. But the hardest one for me was going to Cambodia. I think I had three legs on that. It was. I think it was Boston to LA to China. I think it was Shanghai to Cambodia. It was wild. Yeah. It was insane. And just like airport to airport and you arrive and you are just. You're a mess, right?
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Yeah, that's hard. Oh my gosh. Yeah, my. I mean, I don't think I've ever had anything like That I, I mean when I went to India we did a layover in Dubai. But I mean, I think that's like pretty typical. Just a few hours. So. Nothing, nothing too crazy. Of course, it was exhausting. But yeah.
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What about your trip to Japan? Because you went to Japan, did you have a direct flight, New York to Tokyo?
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Yes, yeah, I did. Yeah, Yeah. I mean those are long flights. But that, but yeah, not with too many. Nothing, nothing.
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Crazy problem is the layovers that just kill you. It's, it's rough. It's rough.
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Yes, exactly. And now like with air travel being a little wonky right now, you know, sometimes with the layovers, then you don't know if it's actually happening or I don't know, that can be very stressful or, or if there's a delay and you're running with. I know that's happened to my brother where it's been such a delay and then he misses the flight he was supposed to catch.
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It's true. Or you board the flight. This happened to me last month. You board the flight, it's 10:30, the flight was supposed to go at 7:30. You're on the flight waiting for an hour and the pilot never shows up. And then the pilot times out, the crew times out, so you have to get off and the flight gets delayed or canceled until the next day. That happened to me just a month ago. If you fly enough, you get these crazy stories. Right? It's insane. That's why we're talking about this today for our listeners. It really is a connection topic. Michelle.
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Yes, absolutely. Everybody can share their flight stories. Right? So we actually got, we're talking about this because we got two listener questions on YouTube and we're gonna kind of combine them today and talk about flying in general. I mean this is a great topic, I mean especially for our listeners. We know you guys are, you know, global travelers, you know, you know, we like to move around. So maybe we'll do follow ups or a little series on this. We'll have to see how it goes. We'll see what comes out of this. But so we have two questions. So the first one we want to shout out is they're both from YouTube, our Delon Book Art. So our Delon Bookard 24 and it says can you talk about direct flight, connecting flights and everything related to the airport? And so yeah, great question. And Lindsay, do you want to read the next one?
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Yeah, so the next question, also from YouTube, from Sanaz Mahmoudi 8758 and they said hi, Aubrey and Lindsay, thank you for your amazing podcast. I have a question about a red eye flight. So what I think they're asking, what is a red eye flight? Can you make a video about it? Thanks a lot. Sanaz from Iran.
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Love it, Love it. Yeah. Thank you to both of you. We really appreciate these questions. Thanks for engaging with us. YouTube is another great place where you can ask your questions. So, yeah, we've talked about flights on the show before, but a while ago, and we want to refresh ourselves and our audience's memories. So we are going to today get into these logistical words about lying and we're also going to ask conversation questions that can help build connection around this topic. I love that, I love that.
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It's not just about definitions of terms. It's about what questions do we ask using these terms. Right, Michelle? To build.
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Right? Yep, exactly. So we're going to kind of ask each other questions after each term that we teach. So the first one, direct flight or non stop? Sometimes we say. So Lindsay, you were asking me that just a second ago about Japan. You said, yeah. Did you go, did you have a direct flight? So what does that mean?
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Yeah, it just means literally there are no stops. And for me, this is a criteria these days when I fly, at least within the US I don't do layovers. I just refuse to do. It's too dangerous these days. Michelle, with, you know, what happened with the Newark airport, I don't know if that's been ironed out yet. So I don't know. I mean, Michelle, what about you? Do you also try to take direct flights or are you open to layovers within the.
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Really? I really try for the direct. Definitely when I'm online looking, I, you know, try and just hit it where I'm only looking at direct. And sometimes, sometimes. Oh gosh. Do you ever, you look and you see, oh, wow, that's a nice. That's a better price than I would like to buy. You have to fly all around the country.
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Yeah, they're going to send me to like Akron, Ohio for a 12 hour layover, right?
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Yeah. So I was like, no, we don't need, we don't want that. So anyway. But you might say, I only want to take a direct flight. It's too exhausting to fly. Not, oh, wait, to fly. I meant fly with a layover. Yeah, with a layover. Whoops. So yeah, that was the question. So that is a really good conversation question, right, Lindsay? Like, do you try to take direct flights or do you usually take connecting flights? Whatever this is. But asking about it, it's a great topic.
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And I think a lot of people that fly often have a, have, like, they have rules, right. They have their own standards. And so might say, I, I, I might ask someone, do you do direct, do you do layovers?
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Right.
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And someone might say, no, I don't do layovers. Especially in the winter in the U.S. flying into Denver, flying to the east coast, it's too dangerous with snow and ice delays.
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Right.
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Or I don't do the last flight out in the evening because those are the ones that are most likely to get delayed for thunderstorms in the summer. Flight crew will time out, things like that. So what do you do means, what do you tolerate? What are your standards? What are you willing to do?
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That just gives me. I mean, that was a. I mean, Lindsay, you've been. First of all, you've been throwing out some awesome vocab today. I've been writing it that ironed out and criteria timed out.
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Timed out.
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Yeah. Timed out. Wait, but what, What? Oh, what you just said we could do a whole episode on this. I don't. Do you do this, I don't do that. Right.
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Oh, my gosh, guys, hit the follow button right now. It's a fantastic way to describe what you tolerate, what you allow, what your standards are for anything in your life, any food you eat, except things you don't accept.
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Okay. Yeah. So, all right, I'm excited to plan that one. So let's move on to the next one. If you're not doing a direct flight, you are usually doing a connecting flight. So, Lindsay, I took a quick jot down of this because earlier you mentioned legs. Yeah, Right. I think you said that your flight had three or four legs. What in the world?
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I know. It sounds like a human being, right? Sounds like a human being. No, it. So just sections of your journey. Right. So, you know, when we flew, we flew to Brussels, you know, we had a leg, one leg from Denver to Frankfurt, and the other leg, I don't know if it was Munich or Frankfurt. From Frankfurt to Brussels. Right. So those are two legs.
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Okay. Right, Right, exactly. So, yeah, basically you stop at another airport and then take a connecting flight to your destination. So the connecting flight is the one that. Would you say that that more typically kind of describes the second flight?
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Yeah, the connecting flight. I would say the second flight.
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Yeah, exactly. It connects you. So. Yeah. So what could be an example of that?
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Okay, so we could say, I have a connecting flight I need to catch. Would you mind if I Got off ahead of you. Oh, this is opening a whole topic, Michelle.
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Yes, it definitely is. And that's another topic. We can get to another time. But that does happen where everybody's. Well, sometimes they tell you. They'll say, oh, if you have a connecting flight, get off first.
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Yeah.
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But, yeah, that can be stressful.
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Yeah. My craziest flight story was last summer when we came back from Slovenia. Listen to this, Michelle. It's insane. So we were leaving Venice. So we went to Venice for a day, and we had to go to Munich for the first leg and then back to Denver. Our flight in Munich was boarding when we were getting on our flight in slow in Venice. Can you imagine that? So, like, literally. And so we're like, there's no way we're gonna make it. And then we. We arrived in. In Munich. And I've never. I thought my heart was gonna explode out of my chest. We sprinted across the Munich airport. Luckily, everything was very smooth and possible. We got on. We got on it. Just. These international flights take forever to board. They take like an hour, 15 to board. And somehow we made it. Yeah, we made it.
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Wait, so you. How long is that flight? That. The.
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It's about an hour. About an hour, maybe a little less. 45 minutes from Venice to Munich. And then.
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Wow, good for you.
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It was wild. So this whole thing, I mean, that was an exceptional scenario. But one thing we read. We don't.
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We don't recommend that.
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Yeah, yeah. It wasn't our fault. It was delays, Delays. But do you ever wonder if you have enough time? That's something I struggle with. When I have a connecting flight, do I have enough time for that layover in that airport? Because some airports are more efficient than others.
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Right. Or they're bigger. So you might have to take a. You know, something in between. A terminal. I mean. Yeah, yeah. You always kind of have to make. It's kind of a gamble, right? When you're doing this, you're like, oh, will I be able to make it? And. Oh, it's probably fine.
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But it kind of depends on how efficient that airport is, how many other flights are coming in that day. Michelle, there's so much. This could be like 10 episodes. Well, let's keep going. Let's keep going.
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Okay. So. Well. Oh, well, that's funny, because. Wait, did you already see that? This was my question.
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Oh, I actually did not see that. This is a great connection question. Here it is. This is what Michelle could have asked me just now. Have you ever had to run to catch a flight? And then everyone has their stories, right? Their. Their airport war stories.
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Right.
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As we say, we have a story. And people love to tell those stories, right? Because they're so dramatic to them. They all are. Good connection moment.
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Yes. I actually remember this isn't about flights, but also dealing with Venice. We were taking. We were going to be taking a train. Who. I forget, to where else. But it was. The next trade wasn't until maybe the next day. And we were trying to get on. What is it called? The. The cars. The.
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The overnight train.
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No, no, no, no. In Venice. The what? The.
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The gondolas.
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No, no, not the gondolas.
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The water taxis.
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Yeah, the water taxi. But there's a name for it. I can't think of it. I don't know. So we were trying to get on and we were also doing it. Sound. That reminded me of your story about the heart through the chest. We were running. And then I remember people. Is it the vaporetto?
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I don't know. I actually don't know the term. Yeah, I'm sorry.
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So. I'm sorry to our Italian listeners. So then. And. And we were. I remember people. It was taking so long for people to get on and off. It was stopping at every single stop. We were just trying to get to the train station. It was so stressful.
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So stressful. Oh, my gosh.
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Okay. All right, so next one is layover. So, yeah, this is the actual time that you're in the airport between the flight. So the layover is where you are to get to the connecting flight. Correct?
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Yes, yes, exactly. So, for example, I have a layover in Boston, but it's not long enough to leave the airport, unfortunately.
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Right.
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Best place we've had layovers. Oh, my gosh. So this is the question we could ask for a connection moment. Michelle, where's the best place you've had a layover?
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Real quick, I've gotta say Dubai, because. Yeah, I thought it was really interesting to go through that airport.
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And.
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Yeah, huge airport. So I would say that unfortunately it's not. That's the thing is sometimes you get layovers in really cool places and you wish you had time to explore. Explore. And you just don't. So.
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Yeah, it's so true. It's so true.
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I love you.
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I. This is a weird answer. You're going to be shocked by this answer. But I actually had a layover in Houston, Texas, when I went to Argentina. And it was kind of cool because we got to. We found a cool neighborhood to get a beer. We met with some family that Lives down there. We had like 12 hours. Yeah.
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Oh, nice. Yeah.
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So it was very cool. Yeah.
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Very nice. Yeah.
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If our listeners have been listening, this is a big one for Lindsay.
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Yeah. If anyone's been listening to the show for more than six months, they've heard this on the show, right?
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Yes. Because takes a red eye flight. Except maybe not anymore. I don't know.
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I'm. I'm moving away from them. But they are the cheapest and sometimes they're the easiest because you can work a full day and then go to the airport in evening, but then you're a mess for three days. Right? So.
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So for example. For example, I'm taking a red eye, so I should. I would probably. I will probably be pretty tired when I get there. So sometimes you don't even need to say flight. Right. If you say, oh, I'm taking a red eye, people know what that means, Right? And why is it called a red eye?
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Well, I used to think it was like the nose of the plane, but it's not the. It's not. The eye of the plane is red. It's the nose. Right. So it just means that people come off the plane with. With red eyes because they haven't really slept. And this could be a whole other. And this is the question, Right? And I've had this question many times just in the last Couple of months with people. Michelle, are you good at sleeping on flights? That is the connection question.
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Not really. I mean, I'm not. It's not that I can't sleep at all, but not very. Not. I'm not so great. What about you?
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No, because there's always the screens waking me up. I don't like wearing eye masks. And also I get really excited about the inflight entertainment. And also sometimes I get excited about listening to Allers English on the inflight entertainment, which we are on certain European airlines. We are on those airlines.
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No, just kidding.
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I don't actually listen Dollars English, but I get excited about the movie options.
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That's funny. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's great. You know, it's funny. I never have the patience to watch a movie on the plane. I like to. No, I don't know. I do a lot. I do a lot of trying to sleep. I feel like that's mostly what I'm doing. I'm. I should just watch a movie, but instead I like, oh, I'm gonna try and sleep. I'm gonna try and sleep and then I don't. So I should just watch a movie. But. Yeah, I love that.
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I love that. Yeah, it's. It's not easy, Michelle. It's not easy. We're running out of time here. What should we do? The last one? Yeah.
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Okay. All right, let's do it. All right, so the last one is to fly. As you guys can see, this is a huge topic. So fly standby. Yeah, so this is. You don't have a ticket it. And you're gonna see if you can get on a flight, like if somebody cancels. So, for example, sometimes you can get a good deal if you fly standby. So, Lindsay, have you ever flown standby? That's the question. Yes.
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I just did this in my. My disaster in the airport in May where I had to. The flight crew never got on because they timed out. I had to sprint over to the red eye at DIA and get on standby, and I actually got on standby on that flight. So I took the red eye back to Boston to see my family. Yes, it worked out, Michelle. It worked out good. You. You need like a certain amount of points and all this stuff. It's a whole thing, Michelle. It's not a democratic system. Right?
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Yes, exactly. All right. Wow, guys, as you can see, this is a huge connection topic because Lindsay and I couldn't stop talking in meaning that this episode is long. So let's go through the role play and show how it looks all together. All right, so in this role play, we are looking online for flights for a trip that we are going on together.
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Here we go. Oh, how about this one?
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A red eye. I can't.
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Okay, fine. Does it have to be direct, though?
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It doesn't have to be non stop. No. But I'd prefer not to have a very long layover.
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I get it, I get it. Maybe we can get a connecting flight, though, to save some money.
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That's okay with me. Would you ever fly standby?
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Well, that's way too stressful for me.
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Okay, fair enough. Yeah.
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I mean, I know people that work for airports and they fly standby because they have a chance to go to, like, India or Japan randomly because they have the free credit.
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Right. I have friends. Yes.
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Yeah, yeah. That's a great reason to fly standby today. Sure.
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Oh, my gosh. The best. All right, so this is really a common type of conversation you're looking online and you're going through. So you said, how about this one? And I said, a red eye. I can't. Yes.
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It's a real dividing line in terms of lifestyle and what people are willing to do. Again, look for that episode using do what do you tolerate? Right. And then I said, okay, fine. Does it have to be direct, though? So I'm saying, would you do a layover during the day?
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Right, right, exactly. And I said, it doesn't have to be non stop. No, but I'd prefer not to have a very long layover.
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And then I said, I get it. Maybe we can get a connecting flight, though, to save some money. Yeah. Because connecting flights are usually cheaper. Right.
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And then I said, that's okay with me. Would you ever fly standby?
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Good. All right. Good stuff. So these really are the building blocks of a connection conversation. And again, look at what we just did here, Michelle. We just talked for 20 minutes and we didn't even know it was 20 minutes. Like, we lost. So clearly, everyone, if you're a traveler, if you're excited about travel, open up this topic with someone else who's also a globe. Globetrotter Global traveler and get into it. Why not? There's a lot to say here. We only scratched the surface today.
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It's true. Oh, my gosh. We can do so much more. So we will do more. Definitely. Hit follow. And thank you to our listeners for these questions. These were great, guys. I bet if maybe you are flying, maybe you're going to your happy place. So head on over and listen to all ears English. The episode is called find your happy place in this episode.
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All right, good stuff and guys, hit the follow button now for more great episodes from All Ears English. Michelle, I will see you very soon.
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Have a good day. Bye. You too.
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All Ears English Podcast Summary: Episode AEE 2456 – “Connect Over Connecting Flights and Flying Habits in English”
Release Date: August 6, 2025
In Episode 2456 of the All Ears English Podcast, hosts Michelle Kaplan and Lindsay McMahon delve into the intricacies of air travel, focusing on connecting flights and various flying habits. Aimed at intermediate to advanced English learners, this episode not only enhances vocabulary related to aviation but also provides practical conversation strategies for travelers.
The episode kicks off with Michelle and Lindsay sharing their most challenging long-haul flights, setting a relatable tone for frequent travelers among the listeners.
Michelle Kaplan recounts a particularly grueling journey to Cambodia:
“I had three legs on that. It was Boston to LA to China, Shanghai to Cambodia. It was wild. Yeah. It was insane.” (02:27)
Lindsay McMahon contrasts Michelle’s experience with her own, mentioning a layover in Dubai:
“I never have anything like that. When I went to India, we did a layover in Dubai. It was exhausting, but a few hours.” (03:09)
The hosts highlight the exhaustion and stress often associated with multiple layovers, emphasizing the importance of understanding related English terminology.
Michelle and Lindsay address two listener questions sourced from YouTube, focusing on essential travel terms:
Direct Flights vs. Connecting Flights
Michelle introduces the topic:
“Can you talk about direct flight, connecting flights and everything related to the airport?” (05:29)
Lindsay explains a direct flight:
“It just means literally there are no stops.” (06:48)
They discuss personal preferences, with Michelle stating her inclination towards direct flights despite higher costs:
“Sometimes... that’s a better price than I would like to buy. You have to fly all around the country.” (07:32)
Understanding a Red Eye Flight
These segments provide listeners with clear definitions and contextual usage of common aviation terms, enhancing their ability to engage in related conversations.
The hosts emphasize the importance of using these terms in conversations to build connections with fellow travelers.
Michelle suggests: “Do you try to take direct flights or do you usually take connecting flights?” (07:37)
Lindsay adds: “Do you have enough time for that layover in that airport?” (11:57)
These questions are designed to prompt discussions, allowing English learners to practice using aviation-related vocabulary naturally.
Michelle and Lindsay further explore additional travel terms, enriching the listeners' vocabulary:
Leg of a Journey
Layover
Fly Standby
These explanations not only clarify the terms but also demonstrate their practical application in real-life scenarios.
To illustrate how these terms can be used in everyday conversations, Michelle and Lindsay engage in a role-play scenario where they plan a trip together. This segment showcases natural dialogue and offers listeners a template for their own interactions.
Michelle: “How about this one? A red eye. I can't.” (20:14)
Lindsay: “Does it have to be direct, though?” (20:17)
Michelle: “It doesn't have to be nonstop. No, but I'd prefer not to have a very long layover.” (20:21)
Lindsay: “Maybe we can get a connecting flight, though, to save some money.” (20:26)
This dialogue exemplifies how to negotiate travel preferences using the vocabulary discussed, reinforcing learning through practical application.
The hosts share personal anecdotes to further engage listeners and demonstrate the emotional aspects of air travel.
Michelle recalls a stressful experience with water taxis in Venice:
“We were trying to get on the water taxi, but it was taking so long to board and offboard. It was so stressful.” (13:23)
Lindsay shares about sprinting across Munich airport to catch a flight:
“We sprinted across the Munich airport... Luckily, everything was very smooth and possible. We got on.” (11:39)
These stories not only make the episode more relatable but also introduce colloquial expressions and descriptive language related to travel stress and adventures.
Throughout the episode, Michelle and Lindsay encourage listeners to use travel as a context for practicing English, highlighting the podcast's focus on connection over perfection. They stress the value of sharing experiences and asking open-ended questions to foster meaningful interactions.
Lindsay remarks:
“It's a fantastic way to describe what you tolerate, what you allow, what your standards are for anything in your life.” (08:55)
Michelle adds:
“We just talked for 20 minutes and we didn't even know it was 20 minutes. Clearly, everyone... open up this topic with someone else who's also a globe trotter.” (21:11)
By framing travel discussions within the context of language learning, the hosts provide practical and engaging methods for improving English proficiency.
Wrapping up the episode, Michelle and Lindsay hint at future content, promising deeper dives into specific aspects of air travel and its related English vocabulary. They encourage listeners to submit more questions and share their own flying stories, fostering an interactive learning community.
Michelle:
“We can do a whole episode on this... we will do more. Definitely. Hit follow.” (22:14)
Lindsay:
“Hit the follow button now for more great episodes... see you next time.” (22:39)
Listeners are invited to continue engaging with the podcast, ensuring ongoing support in their journey to speak American English fluently.
Michelle Kaplan (19:28):
“I took standby on my red eye back to Boston to see my family. Yes, it worked out, Michelle.”
Lindsay McMahon (08:55):
“It's a fantastic way to describe what you tolerate, what you allow, what your standards are for anything in your life.”
Episode AEE 2456 of the All Ears English Podcast serves as a comprehensive guide for English learners navigating the complexities of air travel terminology and conversation. Through personal anecdotes, listener interactions, and practical role-plays, Michelle and Lindsay provide valuable insights and tools to enhance both language skills and travel experiences. Whether you're a seasoned traveler or preparing for your next trip, this episode offers engaging content to help you connect over common flying habits and make your English conversations more natural and confident.
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