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This is an All Ears English podcast. Episode 2464. Build a Better English conversation with this bridge.
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Welcome to the All Ears English podcast. Downloaded more than 200 million times. Are you feeling stuck with your English? We'll show you how to become fearless and fluent by focusing on connection, not perfection with your American hosts, Lindsay McMahon, the English adventurer and Michelle Kaplan, the New York radio girl, coming to you from Colorado and New York City, usa. And to get your transcripts delivered by email every week, go to allearsenglish.com forward/subscribe. We all know that the weather is a great small talk topic to get started, but don't get stuck there. You today find out how to bridge from the weather into the rest of the conversation for a better connection in English.
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Hey, good, Lindsay. How's the weather today? Oh my gosh.
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Yeah, it's been pretty hot this week. To be honest. I was down in southern Colorado and it was steaming hot. The sun was just incredible. So. Yeah, what about in New York? How's the weather there?
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Very. Also very hot. Well, the whole east coast is very hot, but yeah, I don't know what to say now.
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Yeah, what do you say now?
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Right. I mean, I want to talk to you more, but I don't know how.
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Yeah, we're just getting started with our conversation and. But we can't let it die at this point because weather was the low hanging fruit. Right, Michelle? But where do we go from here?
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So, yeah, we are going to talk about how to transition from the weather to not necessarily deeper topic, but just to keep it going. How to. How to not just drop it. Oh, the weather's bad. Oh, okay, bye.
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It's fine. And I'm so glad we're talking about this today because I feel like I've gotten into situations where, okay, it started with the weather. Maybe it's someone I didn't know. Well, started with the weather but then you knew there was the moment it should have transitioned but it didn't until half an hour later you're still talking about awkward.
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Oh, you're stinking. That's went wrong.
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Something went wrong. Maybe not half an hour later. Ten minutes later, you're Still. And you're both bored to tears. Right?
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Right.
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Because it's important. In a previous episode, which we'll let our listeners know about, that one, we talked about more interesting and relevant ways to talk about weather. But in the end, weather is kind of boring to talk about.
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All right. Yes. So good. Yes, exactly. So allersenglish.com app. Yes.
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Excellent.
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All right. So, yeah, we did an episode about how to quickly just start that conversation about the weather. So it's usually a brief conversation about the weather and how it can connect you. Yeah. And we're going to share that episode with you towards the end, so you know which one to listen to. That's the pair to this one. This is a great pair because it gives you the start of the conversation. So we're going to get into it. So these. So my goal here with this episode is to give you kind of a bridge. Right. You're kind of luring someone into a deeper conversation. It's a little bit more subtle, casual, cool. It is. It's not. It's hard to go from talking about the weather to then, tell me about your last relationship. Right. It's not. It doesn't just happen to that. Like that there is kind of this, you know, a flow to how things happen. So you don't necessarily, necessarily get away from the weather immediately, but you're kind of giving hints and clues and different ways that more could potentially naturally start to come out of the conversation. So, I mean, one of the. So we're gonna get into it right now. So one of the first things is more direct. I Mean, you can say, like, let's say you already know this person, you know, and you make a comment on the weather. You could say, oh, so. So how have you been? Right.
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Yeah.
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And I think that's fine, too.
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I think that's fine. I think you can be more direct when maybe you know the person a little better.
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Right. Like I said. So how you've been to a stranger. Oh, yeah.
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Or even like a business contact or someone you just are just getting to know a bit.
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Right.
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So it's. It's a level of comfort, comes with the directness.
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Yeah, right, right, right, exactly. So that's very basic. Another thing you could say is I was going to X, but not sure if that's happening with this weather. Right. So you're right. Oh, so you're your bridge. Yeah. You're bridging something. It starts to maybe show how you're interested. I mean, Lindsay, what would an example be?
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Well, you could say. I mean, I would typically say I was going to go hiking today, but not sure if that's happening with this weather. And I love this because what that's doing then is like you're throwing out options.
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Something you like. Yes.
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And now that other person's. Oh, are you a hiker? I like to hike, too. Where's your favorite mountain? Could go in a thousand different directions, but you're giving them something that's beyond just the. The shared situation of the weather.
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Right. Yeah, right, Right. Exactly. So definitely it's a good way. I was hoping to go swimming together or I was hoping to go to, you know, I mean, I guess typically it would be something for outside or it could be something for inside. You could be like, oh, yeah, let's say it's a beautiful day. Do you ever have those days where, oh, yeah, you were gonna do something inside and. Yeah. Yeah. Then it's so nice and you feel, I can't waste this day. Yeah, yeah. No.
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I have friends like that who I know one person who doesn't sometimes gets annoyed when it's so sunny because, you know, maybe they prefer to stay in and read and they don't feel guilty when it's raining and they stand and read. So, Colorado, it never really rains for a day, and they get annoyed because they think, I just want to. Permission to stay in and read.
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Right. No, I know. I get like that too. Especially the worst is towards the end of summer when, you know, like, the nice weather is starting to run out. Yeah. You know, it's going to be getting colder and you're like, oh, but I didn't wanna. I just wanted to kind of relax inside today.
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It's a. That's the thing on the East Coast, I remember it was kind of like it was either a sunny day or a rainy day, and I could get into that mindset, and I would get so frustrated if it changed, because then you have to change your entire mindset for the day.
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Yeah. But. Yeah, actually, just literally just now, because my. My dad. My dad gets very nervous about the weather, and if it's going to rain, you know, he's following on his phone every hour and what percentage chance of rain and what time it may or may not start. And, you know, those things. It's not always accurate. So even now, we're supposed to go pick up my niece and watch her. But he's been nervous since last night about the rain and if we'll be able to go because of the rain and it's gonna storm and anyway, so it's.
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Yeah, but roller coaster ride.
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It is. This is true, I think. Yeah, exactly. So, all right. The next thing is just I want to. Something. Yeah. And this is another idea of sharing something about yourself. So, Lindsay, what's one thing? Well, what's one thing you might say?
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Yeah. I mean, we could say something like, I want to take my dog for a walk in the park. Basic, Right. If it's a beautiful day, I want to take my dog for a walk in the park. It's such a nice morning. The weather's so crisp. Right. So what are the things we do? Depending on the weather, I want to jump in the pool.
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Right.
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Maybe you're talking about east coast humidity. The humidity on the east coast is incredible.
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Right. Out of control. Yeah, it's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. But. Yeah. Or I mean. Or let's say you. You might say, oh, I can't wait to, like, I want to go surfing. Right. Let's say you. I want to cool down and get a margarita, or I want to drink a hot chocolate to warm up if it's cold. Right.
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Or I want to go run in a sprinkler or something.
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Right.
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You know.
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Right.
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Or if it's raining, I want to hide away from this rain and curl up in a blanket. Right. I want to curl up in a blanket or read a. Yeah.
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Yes, exactly. So. And then the next thing is you kind of saying, this is if you might know the person a little bit. So I hope you didn't have any plans to blank today. So I could say to you, Lindsay, like, I hope you didn't have any plans to be outside this weekend. I think it's supposed to rain the whole time, so that's very neutral. Be outside. I could say to you, because I know I could say, I hope you didn't have plans to hike. Right, Right. But if you. You could just say, be outside if you don't know that much about the person. Yeah.
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And that's a bridge, because then you might say, I hope you didn't have any plans to hike this weekend because you know that about me. And then I might say, oh, no, I think we'll see a movie. What are you up to this weekend?
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Right.
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And then we get into our plans for the weekend, which is another great topic where we're maybe going a little bit deeper.
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Right, Exactly. So this is really good, too. Mm.
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All right.
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We have others. Right, Michelle, to share with our listeners today, what would be another phrase.
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Yes, so these are just some basic ones. So have you checked the forecast for the rest of the week? So sometimes people general generally like to say, oh, I saw, it's gonna be like this until Saturday. It's gonna be like. Right. People love sharing the forecast, so you can ask them if they know.
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So it's not just the current weather situation. The strategy here that we're suggesting is extend into the future.
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Right.
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Is this going to continue or is it going to stop? That's another bridge into hopefully another topic.
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Right, Right. Or this is more direct. I mean, this is great. And there's nothing wrong with this. Do you like this kind of weather or does it bother you? Yeah, right. Like, are you. Are you into you? You could also say, are you into. Right. Like, are you into the rainy weather or. Right, right.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. You could say that. You say, are you a rainy day kind of person? Right, Michelle, Are you a rainy day kind of person? Some people just are. Like, I told you, the friend of mine that doesn't like it.
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Yeah, there are people like that. I. I don't know. I'm not one. Are you?
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No, no, no. I like sun. I need sun in my life.
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Yeah, exactly, exactly. But, yeah, and then you could even just ask something basic, like, are you. Whatever later, Are you going to swim later? Are you going to have some hot chocolate later? You're going to stay inside. Right. Again, these are maybe if you know the person already, it's maybe a little awkward to be like, what are you doing later if you don't know the person?
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Right, exactly. You know, Michelle, which of these do you like the best in terms of sparking conversation and starting to show a bit more of who you are?
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I think I like the subtle tea of saying something like, I was going to do something this weekend. Yeah. But I'm not sure if that's happening with this weather, because you could put anything in there. I like that. So, I mean, you could even say, like, oh, I was gonna take a road trip this weekend. You can, you can put so much of yourself out there. You could even say something like, oh, I'm supposed to go to a barbecue this weekend. You put a lot out there about yourself to subtly try and get that person into more of the conversation. Right. So I would say that's kind of my favorite. What do you think?
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I love that answer, Michelle. I think that's great because we talk a lot on this show about how do we share things about our ourselves without directly saying that thing. And that's kind of what you're doing here, right? You're sharing, oh, I was going to take a road trip to Utah this weekend. But you're showing you, like, the American West. You like road trips. You like to be active, probably. You're an outdoorsy person. You're saying so much about yourself.
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Yes, exactly.
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But it's still kind of subtle.
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Right.
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Because you don't want to say, I like road trips. I like to go. You know, people get bored by that.
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Yes, exactly. So what I thought we could do now is, well, we can always check the time, but we're going to start off with one. We're good role Play. And we're gonna show how this might work and where it could take you. And this is mixing in some of the things from the other episode. And again, I'll give you that episode at the end. So that is definitely like. I can't imagine listening to episode and not listening to the other one. It's really.
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Imagine it. Can't imagine. And I can't imagine not hitting follow on the show either.
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I can't imagine.
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All right, here we go. So here we are, acquaintances. We're waiting for our kids at school, and it is a heat wave. Probably an east coast heat wave, too, which is very humid.
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Yeah. Okay, here we go. All right. Isn't it March?
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I know. So hot.
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Yeah. I want to jump in the pool.
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Oh, same. I'll probably take the kids swimming after. Ice cream, of course.
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Oh, they're gonna love that. Are they good swimmers?
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Yeah, pretty good. I've been taking them for lessons for the past two months.
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That's great. Where I have to sign mine up.
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Swimming swimmers.
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Oh, I've heard great things about them. Yes.
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I love them. Nice.
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Yes.
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Yeah. The weird thing is, you'll probably relate to this, Michelle. It's weird being in a landlocked state because you end up meeting people that never learn to swim like you. And, you know, I grew up on the coast. Like, you just learned to swim as a kid. That's just what you did, right?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course. I'm not a great swimmer, but I.
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Know how you know to swim. It's interesting. It's interesting. So, all right. This was actually my favorite one is when you say. You respond by saying what you want to do, because I think it also says a lot about you. It's like a visceral thing.
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Right.
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You're just sharing on a really interesting level. So I like both of our answers. You like the subtlety. I like the directness of. Yeah, I want to run, in a sense. Sprinkler. You can show your inner child.
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You know what I mean?
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It's kind of cool.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to get a popsicle. I want to get right. Like, there's. There's a lot there. Yeah. I forgot to ask, which was your favorite one? I'm sorry.
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That's okay. We got it right here. So, again, that's what you said. You said, isn't it March? And another. That one might have come out of the other episode. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that did. So go listen to the other episode once you get the number, guys. And then I said, I know so hot. What did you say, Michelle?
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Pool. I said, yeah, I want to jump in the pool. And that really sparked it because we're waiting for our kids. So you're saying, I'll take the kids swimming. So probably of an indoor pool in March that you go to. And then you said, after ice cream, of course. So now you're kind of throwing out more things. And then I ask, are they good swimmers? And we really get into this whole conversation. Yes. Yeah. So it worked. Well, I mean, listen, it doesn't always work. It does. It's not like, you know, so you might say, I want to jump in the pool. And, you know, Lindsay could have just said. Right. You know, not everybody is always open to talking. Maybe they're thinking about something else. Maybe they're busy, so. But these give you a good chance for sparking something.
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Well, I think it's also a good way to find who your people are.
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Right.
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I mean, if you said, I just want to jump in the pool, you know, and, you know, you're an adult, and it sort of shows inner playfulness, and if I'm just like, okay, right. We're probably not gonna connect.
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You know, you can tell. You can tell.
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This is a way to show who your people are, who you maybe want to have another conversation with.
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Right? Really? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Love it. So let's do one more role play. Okay, Lindsay.
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Okay. I think we have a tiny bit of time, Michelle. We'll have to just do it real quick. Okay, let's go for it. So here we are at work, and we are colleagues in the lunchroom.
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All right. Okay.
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We know each other, but we don't know each other very well.
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Okay. All right. Here we go. All right. Hey, Lindsay.
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Hey, Michelle. What is this weather?
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I don't know, but I don't like it. I hate all these storms. Yeah.
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I hope you didn't have any plans to play softball with the work team this week.
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Luckily, no. But have you checked the forecast for the rest of the week?
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Yes, rain. Rain. Rain.
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Yeah. But we have softball next week. Hopefully it's better by then.
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I hope so. How's the season going so far? Nice.
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We.
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We successfully bridged here, Michelle.
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We did. Yes. We did it. So you did. What is this weather? Which is from the other episode. And then you said, I hope you didn't have any plans to play softball with the work team this week. So you're. You're showing you know something about me, right? You're kind of picking on one of my interests.
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You already know about which is very powerful. You know, we hear it on the podcast, but when once you see it in conversation. A very powerful connection skill. We've talked about it many times on the show and then you said luckily no, but have you checked the forecast for the rest of the week? And that one's probably also for from the other episode. Not sure. But I said yes. Rain, rain, rain. Oh, it's from this episode.
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Never mind from this one. Right.
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So this is moving forward into the future, right? What's come. That's that strategy. I love that.
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Yeah. And eventually we bridge it into you asking about softball, the softball season. So really, really useful and productive here. So guys, I know you've been waiting to hear what the other episode is. That was on episode 2448. That was weird and wonky weather in English. So check that one out. Very important to listen to these two together. Lindsay, takeaways for today.
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Don't get stuck talking. Don't fail to build a bridge. Right. Don't get stuck talking about the weather for 15 minutes. You'll both be bored to tears. But how do you do it? This is how you do it. Michelle. I love this concept of bridgin into something more interesting from a low hanging fruit topic, right?
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Yes, exactly. All right, well, this has been a lot of fun. Let us know how it goes guys. And yeah, I'm looking forward to hearing about your great conversation.
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All right, talk soon, Michelle.
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Bye bye.
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Hosts: Lindsay McMahon & Michelle Kaplan
Date: August 20, 2025
In this episode, Lindsay and Michelle tackle a classic English conversation problem: getting stuck on small talk about the weather. They provide actionable techniques and natural English phrases to help intermediate and advanced learners gracefully transition—or “bridge”—from weather talk to more engaging topics. The goal is to foster real connection in conversations by moving beyond basic small talk and sharing a bit of yourself in a subtle, authentic way.
First Scenario: Two acquaintances waiting for their kids during a heatwave
Second Scenario: Colleagues making small talk in the lunchroom
Connection Skill Highlight
This summary is designed to give you not only a recap of the episode's core content but also actionable insights, specific language, and conversation analysis so you can immediately put these strategies into practice—making your English small talk more engaging, authentic, and connection-driven.