Aubrey Carter (3:50)

Yes. And what's interesting is I will say don't ask, but I never leave it at that. I won't be like, don't ask. And then we move on. I always am going to say don't ask and then I'm actually going to tell them. Like, I'm like, right, don't ask. My kid got in a car accident and, you know, whatever. I'll share why some, you know, what was upsetting, what happened that made it bad. Right. Would you ever just say don't ask and then leave it?

Michelle Kaplan (4:17)

Well, what's interesting is I may. Who knows? Maybe I would. But then, like, if we go back to this role play from the beginning, you said, ugh, don't ask. And then what did I do? I asked. Because when somebody says don't ask, they.

Aubrey Carter (4:31)

Don'T like an invitation to actually talk about it.

Michelle Kaplan (4:34)

Yes. That's so interesting.

Aubrey Carter (4:36)

So if you don't want to talk about it, you'll just say it was fine.

Michelle Kaplan (4:40)

Right. So funny. So you don't really mean don't ask. It could actually be more of an opener. It's just kind of saying. It's just letting the person know that there's a story coming. There's some stress. Like it's. The topic is stressful or it may be even funny. Maybe it's chaotic, maybe just a lot to explain.

Aubrey Carter (5:02)

But that is fascinating that it. The last thing it means is don't ask. It means like, yes, ask me and I'm going to tell you things were terrible.

Michelle Kaplan (5:12)

Yes, exactly. I mean, you have to read the person. I mean, perhaps if they're using a different tone of voice, maybe they.

Aubrey Carter (5:19)

But like, usually subject away. Right. If I were like, don't ask. What about you? How are things going for you? And I'm like, clearly don't want to talk about it. Maybe.

Michelle Kaplan (5:29)

Right. So that, I mean, that could happen. So you have to read the person and see if it seems like they are. They really don't want to ask. Maybe they don't want to talk about it. They've changed it towards you. Or if they're using it as an opener, it's kind of like saying, have I got a story for you.

Aubrey Carter (5:47)

Exactly. So hope you have a few minutes because I have a lot to vent.

Michelle Kaplan (5:52)

Yes. Sit down.

Aubrey Carter (5:53)

Right.

Michelle Kaplan (5:54)

So, yeah, guys, we're gonna talk about this today. This is super fun. Before we get into it, we want to remind you to hit follow wherever you listen to the Allers English podcast, so you never miss anything. Yes.

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Michelle Kaplan (6:12)

It is. It is. So, Aubry, let's do some examples. We have a couple mini role plays to start us out.

Aubrey Carter (6:19)

Okay, perfect. Michelle, how's busy season going for you?

Michelle Kaplan (6:23)

Oh, Aubry, don't ask. It's a mess. My accounts are all over the place and my deadlines are extremely tight.

Aubrey Carter (6:29)

Oh, gosh. Anything I can do to help. Okay, this. Actually, I have this exact conversation often with a friend of mine in, you know, the first part of the year who's an accountant, we play volleyball together, and I'll say, how's it going? How's work? Don't ask. It's so hectic.

Michelle Kaplan (6:46)

Yes, exactly. Or here's another one. How was the party?

Aubrey Carter (6:51)

Don't ask. Michelle, it was great, but my house is a huge mess.

Michelle Kaplan (6:55)

Right. So maybe you're not gonna launch into a huge story, but it's just this way of saying, oh, it was crazy, right? There's. There's. There's craziness going on, or the result is a little bit of a mess. Right? Like your house.

Aubrey Carter (7:09)

Yeah, I definitely use this the most often. I mean, it's pretty extreme, right? Something really bad would have need to happen. You'd never use this if it was positive, right. It's like, right. Something. Something happened that, like, it's worth telling a story, right.

Michelle Kaplan (7:25)

Or it's just. I can't. It's like I can't even get into everything. That's another possibility. But it's not going to be. How was your vacation? Don't ask. It was wonderful. We had a great time. And. And I feel so relaxed right there. It's. It's. It's kind of humorous. A little sarcastic feeling.

Aubrey Carter (7:46)

And the intonation's important, right. We really hit it pretty hard. Don't ask. Right. We're definitely sharing with our facial cues and our intonation that, like, something terrible happened, right?

Michelle Kaplan (7:59)

Because if you were actually to say this, if you were to not have kind of that fun intonation could maybe even sound rude if somebody just say, oh, how was it? Don't ask.

Aubrey Carter (8:09)

Don't ask. And then just walk away. Yeah.

Michelle Kaplan (8:11)

So it doesn't work. But this way, don't ask.

Aubrey Carter (8:14)

Right.

Michelle Kaplan (8:14)

Be a little dramatic. Use your acting abilities so it shows. It's emphatic, it can be humorous. It just kind of shows your mood. So there's really a lot here and.

Aubrey Carter (8:25)

It makes it a great connection moment where instead of just saying it was terrible and going into all of the awful things, you're still kind of lightening it, making it more fun. Ask. And then being dramatic about whatever happened that was negative.

Michelle Kaplan (8:40)

Exactly. Exactly.

Aubrey Carter (8:42)

Don't ask.

Michelle Kaplan (8:42)

All right, guys, we're gonna take a break and be right back.

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Michelle Kaplan (10:25)

All right, Aubry. So there are some similar ways that we can open these types of stories or these inter if we want to stick with the more humorous way. Aubrey, what's the first one?

Aubrey Carter (10:39)

Yeah, for example, you don't want to know, or are you sure you want to know? I use this one a lot, too. Very similar to don't ask, you don't want to know.

Michelle Kaplan (10:49)

Yeah, yeah. So for example, I could say, oh, Aubrey, how was the cake you made?

Aubrey Carter (10:55)

You don't want to know. I totally botched it. Oh, no, I've done that before.

Michelle Kaplan (11:02)

Me too, Ira. When I I. Did you ever try? I made an angel food Cake. When I was younger, for some reason, I had this obsession with angel food.

Aubrey Carter (11:12)

I did, too. I still love angel food cake.

Michelle Kaplan (11:14)

I haven't had it in so long, I never see it anywhere. But my friend and I tried to make just a mix from the box and you don't want to know.

Aubrey Carter (11:23)

It's not the easiest cake to make, right? You have to, like, beat egg whites, and it has to be really light and fluffy, and it could be ruined very easily, for sure.

Michelle Kaplan (11:31)

Exactly.

Aubrey Carter (11:32)

That was me when I made flan the first time I made. And it didn't set right. I don't. I'm not sure what I did wrong, but it was just like a pool of goo.

Michelle Kaplan (11:40)

Oh, no.

Aubrey Carter (11:43)

It happens.

Michelle Kaplan (11:44)

Yeah, it happens. It happens. Another thing you could say is it's a long story, right? And that's saying there's a lot. There's a lot to it, but it's usually not just some sort of. When you say it's a long story, you're not really necessarily saying, oh, it's a long, happy story with not much. You know, it's kind of. There's a lot there.

Aubrey Carter (12:04)

Yes. It's negative for sure. It's like there was a lot happened and most of it was not positive. Maybe we don't have time to get into it right now. Right. Let's do a little mini role play here, too. How'd your meeting go with the realtor?

Michelle Kaplan (12:18)

Oh, Aubrey, it's a long story. Not so well. But what am I probably going to do now?

Aubrey Carter (12:26)

Share at least some of the details.

Michelle Kaplan (12:28)

Exactly.

Aubrey Carter (12:29)

So I feel like with all of these phrases, it would feel strange if someone used one of them and then either changed the subject or walked away. I do feel like they're openers. I feel like it's an invitation, right, to connect, to make sure that the person really wants to hear the story. Because I could say right after you say, oh, it's a long story, not so well. If I pivot away, because either we don't have time or I don't want to hear it, then, you know, you're sort of testing the water. Like, do you really want the details? Right.

Michelle Kaplan (12:58)

Yes, exactly. It's interesting because you. You really do have to have kind of an extra sense to really read that person and see, because if maybe they're. Maybe they are using it as an invitation, and then you're just like, oh, okay, look over there. Let's talk about something else. And they're kind of left, oh, wait, I actually. Actually did want to talk about it.

Aubrey Carter (13:22)

Yes. And I actually have a little side question here, Michelle, do you say realtor or realtor?

Michelle Kaplan (13:29)

Have you heard people say real side question? I say realtor.

Aubrey Carter (13:32)

I do too. But I know a lot of people who make it three syllables and say real iter. And more and more I'm finding it's like a pet peeve for some people. If so, like the way someone pronounces it, people get really passionate about it should be pronounced this way and everything else is wrong. It's one of those funny things about regional dialects in the US could do.

Michelle Kaplan (13:51)

A whole episode about that. I think we've done things before, but yeah, totally. There's so much of that. But yeah, I say real ter.

Aubrey Carter (13:59)

Me too.

Michelle Kaplan (13:59)

Funny. But, Aubrey, how would you use this, you know, one of these phrases? I mean, can you think of a way that you might use this in your daily life?

Aubrey Carter (14:09)

Absolutely. I feel like I say all three of these often. And I think a lot of it is sort of trying to respect the connection you have with someone, making sure they really do want to hear the details. If you're close and you want to be honest, you're not just going to say it was fine if it wasn't.

Michelle Kaplan (14:26)

Right.

Aubrey Carter (14:26)

Right. But you also, instead of diving right into all the details, you can use one of these to sort of give them the chance to ask a follow up question to find out if they really want to know details. That's funny.

Michelle Kaplan (14:38)

Yeah, I, I think that I, yeah, I think I would use these to. I, I could use any of these on any day. Right. But certainly with my kids, I think, you know, as a parent and Aubrey, you have four kids, so I'm sure this can come up all the time. Oh, don't ask. Like, the dinner was a disaster or there was pasta all over the floor or, you know, there, there's there's so much where I could say, oh, don't ask.

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Aubrey Carter (15:06)

Or with work last summer, this is a little peek behind the scenes. I was up in Idaho and trying to record with Lindsay and everything that wrong went wrong. There was like an explosion in the outlet with like this little fire. I don't know. It like shorted out the cord. It ruined my power cord. It ruined a bunch of things. And then I had to replace the outlet because my parents were out of town, which I had never done before. And then there were WI fi issues. I had to like call and have them boost the service because the WI fi wasn't enough. And then the air conditioning wasn't working. And even though it's cooler in Idaho. It's still really warm during the day. So if you look back at those YouTube videos, I'm probably, like, sweating.

Michelle Kaplan (15:50)

So I.

Aubrey Carter (15:51)

If someone asked me about how was recording today, I'd have been like, don't ask. It's a long story.

Michelle Kaplan (15:57)

Yeah. Yep, exactly. Sometimes my dad, as a joke, will say to me, oh, aren't you gonna ask me about, like, how my lunch went or something? Like, he'll say something, and I'll say, oh, how was it? And then he goes, donuts.

Aubrey Carter (16:11)

That's actually a really good joke. Yeah, like that. Don't ask if you don't.

Michelle Kaplan (16:16)

Aren't you gonna ask me about this? Oh, don't.

Aubrey Carter (16:18)

I'm gonna start doing that to my kids. They're gonna love that joke.

Michelle Kaplan (16:21)

Yeah. Yeah, it's funny. So. But let's put this together in a role play. So here we are, meeting after summer break.

Aubrey Carter (16:31)

Yeah. Okay. I'll start us out. So how was your summer?

Michelle Kaplan (16:34)

Oh, don't ask. It was good, but just so chaotic.

Aubrey Carter (16:38)

Really? What happened?

Michelle Kaplan (16:40)

Are you sure you want to know?

Aubrey Carter (16:42)

I think so.

Michelle Kaplan (16:43)

It's a long story. Sit down. Let's catch up.

Aubrey Carter (16:46)

Okay. I've got time. Yeah. I love this. It's interesting how you're really not respecting the connection with someone sometimes if you dive right in with a lot of negative details about something when you maybe don't know how much time you have or if they really want to hear it. These phrases are great for, like, testing the connection and finding out if they really have time and if they really want to hear it.

Michelle Kaplan (17:08)

Yeah, that's good. Yeah. These are just really good openers. They're preparing the listener. Like, I've given you multiple opportunities, Right?

Aubrey Carter (17:17)

You're giving me some outs here. I could take one of them. You know what? Let's go to lunch instead and talk about something else.

Michelle Kaplan (17:23)

Yeah, okay. Maybe another time we'll talk about this.

Aubrey Carter (17:26)

Yeah. So, yeah, let's go through this first. You said, I asked how your summer was. You said, don't ask. It was good, but just so chaotic. So you're, like, trying to look at the bright side, but, like, there was a lot of chaos.

Michelle Kaplan (17:39)

Right. So I didn't jump into my story, but I'm. I. I tested you. I gave you a little taste. And then you asked what happened? And I said, are you sure you want to know? Right.

Aubrey Carter (17:48)

Another chance to say, like, maybe I'm not, actually. But I'm like, yeah, I think so. I kind of love that response. Like, well, how bad was it? I think so.

Michelle Kaplan (17:56)

Right, right. And then I said, it's a long story, sit down, let's catch up.

Aubrey Carter (18:02)

Yeah. It's also interesting to think about. If you say all of this, you better have a pretty good story. Right?

Michelle Kaplan (18:07)

Right.

Aubrey Carter (18:08)

If then you're just like, oh, you.

Michelle Kaplan (18:10)

Know, we went camping a couple times. Like now I'm like, build up. There's been a lot of build up. And it would definitely be weird if there wasn't something that.

Aubrey Carter (18:20)

Yeah, it's like when you over hype a movie to someone and then they watch it and they're like, it wasn't that great because you hyped it up so much. Right. Same thing with this. Like you're going to want to use these if you really do have an interesting story or something. Really did go poorly.

Michelle Kaplan (18:34)

Right, Right, exactly. So funny. So guys, also check out, we did an episode on a Saturday. It was called how to share what you've been through in English. So another good one to look into to listen to. Aubry, what do you want to. What should we leave our listeners with?

Aubrey Carter (18:51)

Yeah, it's interesting. That would be a perfect episode for after these. Right. You have these openers and then how do you get deeper? How do you share with what you've been through, what happened? Right. What a great opportunity for connection. To have the opening, respect the relationship. Give them a chance to do that out they might need and then use this to get deeper to. To vent. Sometimes that's the best friendships when you're able to vent when things don't go well.

Michelle Kaplan (19:19)

Yes. Excellent. All right, great point, Aubry. This was so much fun. And guys, see if you can use this today. And yeah, let us know how it goes.

Aubrey Carter (19:28)

Awesome. Thanks, Michelle. So fun. Always recording with you. I'll see you next time.

Michelle Kaplan (19:32)

You too. Bye. Bye guys.

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