AEE 2526: Time Change Got You Down? How to Talk About It in English

Summary

All Ears English Podcast – Episode 2526: Time Change Got You Down? How to Talk About It in English

Hosts: Lindsay McMahon & Michelle Kaplan
Date: December 8, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the topic of Daylight Saving Time (DST) and how it impacts daily life and conversation in America. Lindsay and Michelle explore not only the cultural and emotional effects of the time change but also provide practical English phrases and tips for ESL learners to discuss this topic with native speakers. The episode emphasizes natural, connection-driven English to help learners converse about small talk topics like the seasons and time changes—common ground for building relationships.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Emotional Impact of Daylight Saving Time

• Hosts' Reactions:

  • Michelle shares feeling suddenly "gloomy" as days get shorter after the clocks change.

    "I always just, I remember I had this moment… after the clocks change and it gets dark earlier. There's always this moment, like a day or two after, where I'm like, why do I kind of feel a little emotional?" – Michelle (03:32)

  • Lindsay notes the body’s internal clock and emotional response:

    "We don’t realize our bodies are very much tuned into the...the clock of...our bodies have a clock. We know when it’s supposed to be dark… and the body does respond to that, even emotionally. It’s really interesting." – Lindsay (03:58)

• Regional Differences:

  • East Coast sunsets are much earlier (as early as 4:30 pm).
  • Colorado (where Lindsay lives) experiences later sunsets.

2. Cultural and Practical Aspects of DST

• Reasons for Daylight Saving Time:
  • Originally implemented for farmers, though this is now largely outdated.
  • Not all US states observe DST (e.g., Arizona), which causes confusion with scheduling and time zones.

    "The area [Aubrey] is in is doing it differently from the rest of the country, and that creates massive problems for her when it comes to calendars and syncing up with time zones." – Lindsay (06:13)
    "I would vote against [ending DST] 10 out of 10 times because I don't want to end up in a place that's not running in sync with the rest of the country." – Lindsay (06:33)

3. Mixed Feelings and Seasonal Culture

• Upsides to Early Darkness:
  • Michelle is starting to appreciate "cozy" family time when it gets dark earlier, such as playing games indoors.
  • Lindsay values the variation of seasons and the contrast between summer and winter evenings.

  • "Personally, I need change throughout the year. I need to feel like summer nights… or winter nights… I need to feel that variation in my year." – Lindsay (07:54)

4. English Conversation Skills—Talking About DST

• The Hosts Identify DST as a "Connection Topic":
  • Useful for naturally engaging in small talk, just like weather.
  • They share that this is a yearly recurring conversation for Americans, making it valuable for ESL practice.

  • "This is a conversation that happens every year, especially around the times of the change in the spring and the fall, with friends, colleagues, constantly." – Lindsay (05:38)

Essential Phrases and Questions (08:35-10:43)

• “I can’t believe it’s so dark already. It’s only [X time].”

• “I feel like it’s 10pm but it’s only 7.”

• “I hate when it gets dark early.”

• “Do you get bummed out when it gets dark earlier?”

• “Do you use anything to keep your mood happy during this time of year?” (e.g., lamps, exercise)

• “Does the time change get to you, or are you all right?”

  • “Get to you” means: does it bother/affect/annoy you?

• Talking about ‘SAD’ (Seasonal Affective Disorder):

  • Brief mention of therapy lamps as a solution.

5. Role Play Demonstration (15:00-15:53)

Michelle and Lindsay act out a conversation between two parents waiting to pick up their kids, modeling how to use the DST topic for small talk:

• Michelle: “Wow, it’s cold.”
• Lindsay: “I can’t believe it’s so dark out. It’s only 5.”
• Michelle: “Seriously. I feel like it’s 10pm but it’s definitely not.”
• Lindsay: “Yeah, it’s wild.”
• Michelle: “I hate when it gets so dark so early.”
• Lindsay: “Me too. Do you get bummed out?”
• Michelle: “Oh, a ton.”
• [Continues with discussion about lamps, mood, exchanging information.]

6. Latest Vocabulary & Natural Phrases

• “It’s wild” – Currently a trendy expression meaning “it’s crazy/unbelievable.” (16:24-16:47)
• “Get to you” – To bother or affect emotionally.
• “Bummed out” or “Get down” – Feeling sad, down, or affected negatively.
• “I’ll send you the link” – Common modern phrase when recommending products online.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "[DST] is a huge connection topic... we could just talk about this the whole time and not teach anything... because it's such a good connection topic." – Michelle (08:14)
• "I need to feel that variation in my year." – Lindsay (07:54)
• "Me too. Do you get bummed out?" – Lindsay (15:29)
• "It's wild." (explained as a trendy way to say 'it's crazy or unbelievable') – Lindsay & Michelle (16:27)
• On support strategies: "Do you use anything to keep your mood happy this time of year? ... I hear those [SAD] lamps are good." – Lindsay & Michelle (09:55, 15:33)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:31 | Main conversation begins | | 03:32 | Hosts discuss immediate emotional impact of DST | | 05:34 | Explaining why DST exists; the US perspective | | 06:09 | Issues with regions (like Arizona) not observing DST | | 08:35 | Introduction of conversation starter phrases about DST | | 09:51 | Discussing “SAD” and lamps as a coping mechanism | | 10:32 | Explaining “get to you” as a phrase | | 12:24 | Recap and role play introduction | | 15:00 | Role play demonstrating DST small talk | | 16:24 | Vocabulary highlight: “It’s wild” and other trendy phrases explained | | 18:28 | Takeaways: Why this is a perfect connection topic |

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Summary & Takeaways

• Why this topic matters for English learners: DST and the weather are classic, natural conversation starters among Americans—knowing how to discuss them helps make real, relatable connections.
• Emotional and cultural impacts: DST affects mood and routines across regions; people enjoy commiserating, venting, or even finding the positives in seasonal changes.
• Practical English: The episode provides core vocabulary, relevant idioms, and teaches learners how to keep such discussions lively and relationship-focused.
• Pro tip: Go back to episode 1116 ("Spring Forward, Fall Back") for a more detailed breakdown of DST vocabulary and concepts.

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If you’re looking to build authentic, “connection not perfection”-style English and want to confidently chat about everyday American topics, this episode gives you relatable, ready-to-use tools to talk about the time change like a native.

Transcript

[Michelle]

This is an All Ears English podcast. Episode 2526. Time change got you down. How to talk about it in English.

[Lindsay]

Welcome to the All Ears English podcast. Downloaded more than 200 million times. Are you feeling stuck with your English? We'll show you how to become fearless and fluent by focusing on connection, not perfection. With your American host, Aubrey Carter, the IELTS whiz and Lindsey McMahon, the English adventurer, coming to you from Arizona and Colorado, usa.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

A common connection topic for native speakers in the US Is Daylight Savings time.

[Lindsay]

And all the opinions that go along with it.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

Listen in today to find out how to talk about this common topic in English.

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[Lindsay]

Hey Michelle, how's it going today?

[Michelle]

Hey Lindsay. I'm good. You know, I'm feeling a little gloomy all of a sudden. I don't know. What about you?

[Lindsay]

Yeah, these days, the days are very short, right. This. Well, especially on the east coast where you are. Because the sun goes when now that we've already gone through daylight savings time, we're on standard time again. You, you, your son goes down on the east coast, what like 4:30?

[Michelle]

So yeah, pretty much. And it's funny, so this started, you know, the guys were recording a little in advance. I mean, yes. So we. But so this happened just about a week ago. Yeah, yeah, about a week. And it's, it's interesting because I feel it immediately. I don't know. Do you feel it? I mean. Well, again, maybe it's not as bad where you are.

[Lindsay]

It's not as bad where I am. The sun is more like 6:00pm here rather than 4:30. I, I remember living in New Hampshire when I was a kid or Boston. I mean, at the height of it, it's like, like 3:30, it's getting dark, which is pretty intense.

[Michelle]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I always just, I, I, I remember I had this moment. It, and it always happens to me kind of after the t. The clocks change and it gets dark earlier. There's always this moment like a day or two after, not that same day, a day or two after where I'm like, why do I kind of feel a little emotional?

And then I'm like, oh, right, it's the daylight savings time.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

I mean, I think a lot.

[Lindsay]

I think we don't, we get so, you know, in our heads and with technology, but we don't realize our bodies are very much tuned into the, you know, the, the clock of, you know, our, our bodies have a clock. We know, you know, when it's supposed to be dark, when it's supposed to be light, when we're supposed to be up, and when we're supposed to be sleeping. And the body does respond to that, even emotionally. It's really interesting.

[Michelle]

Y. Yeah, yeah, it's, it is interesting. And every year I'm like, why do I feel a little sad? I'm like, oh, interesting.

[Lindsay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I actually don't, I don't mind it because, well, these days it's. Now that we've done the change, it's sunny and bright in the morning when it wasn't before. So I do walks with my dog in the morning and like, there's a beautiful sun rising over the park and I actually love it. More people are out in the morning and that morning light to me is, is crucial. Like, if I didn't have that, if I didn't have it, it would be hard, you know? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Michelle]

So, well, this is what we're going to be talking about today because this is a huge connection topic. I mean, we, Lindsay, we could have just kept on going and going talking about this. Yeah, we did an episode a long time ago about this phenomenon, daylight savings time, because. And where we explained the concept and some basic vocab. So later, I'll give you the episode. I mean, that was a really long time ago. But I do want to give you the episode because I think it would help.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

So. But for. For the. So for the purpose of this episode. Yeah. Daylight saving times, there's less daylight. It gets darker earlier than in the warmer months. And not everywhere in the world does this change. Right. With the clocks.

[Lindsay]

Yeah. Yeah. I think the US Originally did it because of farmers.

[Michelle]

Yeah. Something with farmers.

[Lindsay]

It's always something with farmers. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. But this is. I just want to re. Emphasize what you just said, Michelle. This is a conversation that happens every year, especially around the times of the change in the spring and the fall, with friends, colleagues, constantly.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

So our listeners who live in the.

[Lindsay]

US need to be ready to have this conversation with native speakers.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

All right.

[Michelle]

Yeah, exactly. And what's interesting here is Aubry lives in a place where they don't change the clocks. Isn't that right?

[Lindsay]

Yeah, it's a little confusing.

[Michelle]

Oh, my gosh. I never know what time it is. Where Aubry is. I. I don't know what time it is.

[Lindsay]

Problem there is the area that she's. She's in is doing it differently from the rest of the country, and that creates massive problems for her when it comes to calendars and syncing up with other time zones. I mean, she will tell you about it. It is a nightmare. So I know here in Colorado, people have brought this up and tried to.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

Put it on the ballot to get.

[Lindsay]

Rid of daylight savings time, and I would vote against that 10 out of 10 times because I don't want to end up in a place that's not running in sync with the rest of the country. It would be a pain in the butt. I mean, just as Aubry.

[Michelle]

No, Aubry, when you listen to this episode, we definitely want to hear your opinion.

[Lindsay]

Yeah, it's true.

[Michelle]

So.

[Lindsay]

But a lot of people want to get rid of it because. Because of what we've been saying with the. It's a little bit irrelevant. Out of date. Was created for farmers, and we're not. Well, there are still farmers, of course, but it's a much smaller part of the economy. Right.

[Michelle]

The only thing I will say that I'm starting to appreciate about it is, like, when it's so light late at night, my kids are always outside, playing outside late at night, and. And. Which is great. But I kind of am appreciating, like, last night, you know, we were just inside because it's dark, and we kind of have a little more just family time. And even we played Rummy Cube with my son after my daughter Went to sleep. You know, there's kind of. This is kind of a different vibe. So I did have this moment where yesterday I was like, oh, I kind of. This is not terrible.

[Lindsay]

No, I, I think it's the same thing with. I mean, I wouldn't want to live in a place where there's no seasons. Right. I mean, some people do and they're fine. But personally, I need change throughout the year. I need to feel like summer nights.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

We'Re out at 9pm it's light out.

[Lindsay]

Or winter nights were in at 4:30 and it's cozy. I need to feel that variation in my year. Yeah. You know. Yeah.

[Michelle]

Yeah. I think for the first time in my life yesterday I, I was feeling that.

[Lindsay]

You came around eventually. Yeah, yeah.

[Michelle]

Starting to come around to it.

[Lindsay]

So.

[Michelle]

But yeah, guys. So again, as you can see, this is a huge connection topic. Lindsay and I are sharing stories. We're hearing our opinions. We could just talk about this the whole time and not teach anything. And you, you know what I mean? Because it's such a good connection topic, we would get lost in it. So we want to teach you how to have these conversations, how to build connections using this topic today. Yeah.

[Lindsay]

We've got some key phrases that we might ask or say to start the conversation or to carry on a conversation like this. So, Michelle, what's the first one?

[Michelle]

Okay. I can't believe it's so dark already. It's only. And then you can say the time like it's only 4:30.

[Lindsay]

Yeah. And this is usually said right in the beginning, after the, the change has been made, maybe in the first month or so. Right. We're not used to it. And that is very stark, I will give you that. I mean, that is, that is hard to, to, to take in when you see, you look outside and you're like, I just had lunch and it'. Park, you know, or, or here's another one. I feel like it's 10pm but it's only 7.

[Michelle]

Or you can change around those times. Do you ever get that when.

[Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Oh, you know, now I'm. It's eight and I'm like, oh my God, it's so late. And yeah, it's, it's really not as late as, as you think.

[Lindsay]

Right. It was another one, Michelle.

[Michelle]

I hate when it gets dark early.

[Lindsay]

Yeah. And yeah, totally. Very, Very common things that native speakers will say. And then we might roll into some questions. Right. You might follow up with that native speaker and ask questions like, for example, do you get bummed out when it Gets dark earlier. I know there are people that deal with actual, what do they call it?

[Michelle]

Seasonal effective. Yep, yep. Sad, right?

[Lindsay]

Sad. But I have heard that those lamps work really well that you can get. I've heard that that's been proven to work quite well to replace.

[Michelle]

So that's. That was the next thing thing I brought up, I'm going to bring up is do you use anything to keep your mood happy or you know, to keep yourself happier during this time of year? So yeah, like Lindsay said, these lamps exercise, right?

[Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Certain, certain things that you can do to kind of maybe getting out earlier in the morning, like Lindsay said, getting, getting sunlight at a different time of.

[Lindsay]

Day or asking does the time change get to you or are you all right? Right.

[Michelle]

So what does that mean something it get to you? What do I mean?

[Lindsay]

What do you want that's a great for today get to you? Does it bother you? Does it annoy you? Does it trouble you?

[Michelle]

Right, right, right, right. Does it have an impact on your mood?

[Lindsay]

Yeah, Exactly. Good. All right, we'll take a quick break.

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[Lindsay]

All right, Michelle, we are back. So let's go through some of these questions here, shall we?

[Michelle]

Yeah, kind of. We kind of touched on these so naturally already actually, because we Were so excited to talk about it, but.

[Lindsay]

Yeah.

[Michelle]

Lindsay, do you, I mean, have you ever tried one of those lamps? I'll ask.

[Lindsay]

I haven't. No, I haven't really needed that. But for me it's getting outside. They say you're supposed to get sunlight right away. And that's why I'm troubled by the idea of getting rid of daylight savings time. Because if we did, it would be dark until 9am yeah. And I would really struggle because then you're working and you don't have time to go outside necessarily. So something about as soon as I wake up taking my dog, getting outside, my body really needs that. So that takes care of that for me. What about you, Michelle?

[Michelle]

Yeah, Anything that I do. No, I've always meant to get one of those lamps. I've always meant to try one of them because they sound. But it's just to me it always sounds like, really, how could that possibly work? But I hear that they do work. So I don't know. I don't know, maybe I should invest in one. But again, I'm, I, I guess, you know, trying to lean into what are the special times of this year? You know, special things of this time of year. Like, oh, getting into the holiday season. You know, this is kind of where Thanksgiving, you know, all of that stuff is starting and so that's of kind, kind of exciting. And then also, yeah, like I said, just not always being outside until our like late and having to stand outside and like, which I, which I of course love. But just having kind of this cozy time so, you know, just appreciating it for, for different reasons and trying to, to like, I don't know, feel that way. So. Yeah.

[Lindsay]

And I guess it's also good if you travel. I mean, I know when we were in Berlin a couple years ago in 2021 now I don't know if they do daylight savings time or not know. When we were there in December, we were there around Christmas time. The sun came up at about 9:30am.

And it went down around 3. And that was rough for me. For me, I think they get used to it and I think they have amazing summers because it's so far north. Right. So.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

Right.

[Lindsay]

People are out on the street in the summer and the cafe culture, kind of like Paris, like an outdoor street culture. Bars, coffee shops.

[Michelle]

Yeah.

[Lindsay]

Out light outside till 10 or 10:30.

[Michelle]

That's so cool.

[Lindsay]

So it's like, it's the flip side of things.

[Michelle]

Right, Right, right, right, right, exactly. So should we do a role play to show how this might sound. Okay.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

All right.

[Lindsay]

So what are we doing here?

[Michelle]

All right, well, we are friends and we are waiting outside to pick up our kids from an extracurricular activity, so.

[Lindsay]

Okay.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

Yes.

[Michelle]

Here we go. Wow, it's cold.

[Lindsay]

Oh, I know. And I can't believe it's so dark out. It's only 5.

[Michelle]

Seriously. I feel like it's 10pm but it's definitely not.

[Lindsay]

Yeah, it's wild.

[Michelle]

I hate when it gets so dark. Dark so early.

[Lindsay]

Me too. Do you get bummed out?

[Michelle]

Oh, a ton.

[Lindsay]

Do you use anything to keep your mood happy this time of year?

[Michelle]

No, but I should. I want one of those lights you sit in front of. I hear those are good. What about you? Does the time change get to you, or are you all right?

[Lindsay]

I don't love it, but I do have one of those lamps and it does help.

[Michelle]

Oh, wow. Okay. You'll have to tell me which one to buy.

[Lindsay]

I'll send you the link.

[Michelle]

Okay.

[Lindsay]

Very common thing to say. I'll send you the link. Right, Yeah, I know.

[Michelle]

I was thinking that too. Oh, I'll send you the link. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Lindsay]

Exactly. So we use a lot of our phrases here. So I started by saying, I can't believe it's so dark out. And that is how a lot of conversations will start in English. Someone making a comment about something that strikes them. Right.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

It's not.

[Lindsay]

It doesn't have to start with a question.

[Michelle]

Right, right. Yep, exactly. And then I said, I feel like it's 10pm but it's definitely not.

[Lindsay]

And then I said, it's wild. That could be a bit of a bonus for today. It's wild.

[Michelle]

It's wild. That's a good way to comment.

[Lindsay]

So in. In fashion right now, this phrase saying that it's wild, what does it mean, Michelle?

[Michelle]

We talk about tigers instead of saying no, it's like. Instead of saying it's crazy or it's unbelievable.

[Lindsay]

Yeah, it's just really popular and trendy to say that right now.

[Michelle]

Wild. Yeah, it. Wild.

[Lindsay]

Yeah. Y. And then what did you say?

[Michelle]

I said, I hate when it gets dark so early.

[Lindsay]

Yeah. And I said, me too. And here we're finding a connection moment because we're agreeing on something. Right. And then I'm. I'm extending the conversation. Do you get bummed out or another way to say that? Do you get down?

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

Do you get down?

[Michelle]

You know, down? Yep, yep. And I said, oh, a ton. And you said, do you use anything to keep your mood happy this time of year? You could also Say something like, something like, do you have any tricks for, you know, staying keeping for being happier this time of year? Something like that.

[Lindsay]

Exactly. There's a lot of things we could say. And then I said, you said, does the time change get to you or are you all right? Right. So you're really asking the same thing. Right. You're flipping it back on me in a different way. Get to you?

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

Does it bother you?

[Lindsay]

Right.

[Michelle]

Yeah, exactly. And guys, remember I, I mentioned that we did an episode a long time ago about this topic. So this was episode 1116 and that was spring forward, fall back. So that goes into a lot more with this concept of daylight savings. And there's, there's just a lot more that you can learn to be able to get into these conversations.

[Lindsay]

Yeah, don't forget to hit the follow button on the show, guys. And by the way, if that, that is a far way down to find that episode. So the easiest way to get that is to get on the app. So allersenglish.com app and just download it. It's free to listen to all of our episodes on the app by just.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

Type in 1116in the search bar and.

[Lindsay]

It'Ll pull it up right away. Okay? Absolutely. All right.

[Michelle]

Any takeaways for today?

[Lindsay]

Well, I think anytime we can find one of these common thing, the weather is one of those things too. Daylight savings time, seasons, things we all go through, then it just, it's a natural conversation starter. And I can guarantee you these conversations come up all the time, especially at these key times of year.

[Narrator/Ad Voice]

So be ready for them.

[Lindsay]

Yep.

[Michelle]

Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. All right, Lindsay, thanks for talking about this with me today. And if you do try one of those lamps, let me know how it goes.

[Lindsay]

Okay, I will. Take care.

[Michelle]

Bye. All right, bye.

[Lindsay]

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