
Sometimes, someone in your life does something weird- either in a good way or a bad way. Today learn a native phrase to make a comment in English
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This is an All Ears English podcast, episode 2591. Who even does that? How to comment when actions are outside the norm.
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Sometimes someone in your life does something weird, either in a good way or a bad way. Today, learn a native phrase to make a comment in English.
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Hey, Lindsay. How are you?
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I'm doing great, Michelle. How are you? How's it going?
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Yeah, I'm good. Well, you know, I was sick last week and. But my friend made me soup and left it at my doorstep. Wow.
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Who even does that? Michelle?
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Yeah, she's amazing. Just kidding. This didn't really happen, but it would be very nice.
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Everyone wants a friend like that. That's so nice. There are people out there that are very thoughtful. You know what I mean?
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Maybe one day. Yeah. Dan did make me soup yesterday, so that was good.
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Oh, that's good. Yeah. Partners can do it too. For sure.
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Yes, exactly. So today we're going to talk about a very native and unique way of speaking. And so this is a special expression, a special construction, and it came up in a recent conversation that you and I had and we wanted to take some time to go over it.
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Yep, the best Episodes happen when we hear ourselves say something very spontaneously, naturally on this show, guys, and we think, boom, that would be a great episode idea. And here it is today. So what exactly is the expression for today, Michelle?
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Okay, well, from the role play, it was who does that? So it's basically who blanks that? So, for example, let's do who does that. So is this, Lindsay, when someone says, who does that?
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Yeah.
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Is this a question to be answered?
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Good question. No, I'm not supposed to start listing. Well, sometimes my partner does that and the friend, the street does that. No, no, no. You're not asking for a, for an answer.
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Right.
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It's rhetorical.
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Right?
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It's an exclamation. Saying that basically something that's been done by someone is kind of shocking. It's out of the ordinary. Michelle, would you say this is positive or negative?
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So I think it can be either. So let's look at the role play from the beginning.
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Yeah.
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So I said I was sick last week. My friend made me soup and left it at my doorstep. And what did you say?
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I said, wow, who does that?
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So is that positive? Are you saying something good or something bad?
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I think it's positive. I think it's positive here. It just, it's more about the fact that maybe, maybe I'm saying, like it's a little old fashioned.
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Right.
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Or it's just people just don't take the time to do these nice things as much anymore, is what I'm saying. Right.
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Yeah, yeah. That person was so generous or so kind. It's out of the norm. Yes. So it's surprising, but it's, it's in a good way. So, you know, you're, and you're not asking me. It's, it's rhetorical. Like I said, my friend brought me soup and left it on my doorstep. So if you saying, who does that? I wouldn't say my friend. I just told you.
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Right, right, right, right. And you wouldn't list other people who might do that? Like I said before, the person down the street might do that. No, no, no. It's, it's, it's just saying, hey, this is not normal. I'm not used to this. It's really nice in this case.
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Yeah. Yes, exactly. So we're going to talk about this more in just a second, but guys, we want to remind you to hit follow wherever you're listening to the Allers English podcast.
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Yeah, hit that follow button. We want to come up right in your listening queue every morning. We publish five days a week, guys, here on the show. So hit the follow button now. All right. So, Michelle, I bet our listeners are asking. We said, yes, it can be positive, but can it be negative? What do you think?
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Yeah, for sure. Almost. I almost wonder if I hear it more in a negative way. What do you think?
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Yeah, interesting.
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I mean, it really can be either. It just depends.
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Yeah, it's kind of. I, I feel like I hear it more in the sense of that was weird. That was a weird thing.
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That was weird. Yeah.
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Negative or positive? I don't know. It depends on what was done.
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Right, right. So, for example, he had his friend break up with me. Who does that. So does that. Yeah, that's negative. Right. I'm not saying something positive, but yeah, because it's a very.
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Well, it's a childish thing to do. It might be something that happened in fifth grade for your fifth grade boyfriend.
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Right, right, right, right. Exactly.
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Yeah. Or she spoke to me about. Handle my. About how to handle my situation for two hours. Who does that? Yeah.
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So maybe you were having trouble with something and you needed some advice, and so this would be a really positive thing. I mean, this person is very generous with her time. And people aren't always like that. They. They're very busy and they don't necessarily want to spend that much time.
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Yeah. Or even sometimes, like a service provider. You might. You might do. Might say that, like, if your doctor. Oh, yeah. Really spent a lot of time with you. Most doctors in and out.
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Right.
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Because they have seven other patients waiting.
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Yeah.
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You might make that comment about your doctor, too. Yes.
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Absolut. Yeah, for sure. Definitely. Here's another one. She separates all her laundry and has a colorcoded system in her closet. Who does that?
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This is funny because. Yeah. We're currently staying at a place where the owners are very. One of the owners is very particular. I'm not going to use a. Another word that I could think of to say particular. But it's like, I see what's done in the house to make sure. Like. No. Damn. Like a certain. There are paper towels that are put between the pans to make sure the pans don't scratch each other.
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Oh, wow. Okay.
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I think to myself every morning, who does that? I just. Or like things. Things are not alphabetized. Right. Campbell's soup is not alphabetized, thank goodness. But things are very particular. And if anything is out of order, people notice. So this is a good example of clashing lifestyles.
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Right, right, exactly. I mean. Yeah. Here it's just. It's just saying, like, something is Odd, Like I wouldn't be able to put in that kind of effort. That's not important to me. So I don't quite understand it. So it's not necessarily positive or negative. It's just like what Lindsay said. It's just, it's odd. It's a little weird. It's unfamiliar to me.
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Exactly. Everyone and I think you really hit the nail on the head there, Michelle. You just, you just don't understand it.
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Right, right.
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You need a way, a different way to say that other than I just don't, I don't get it or I don't understand.
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Right, right, right, right. So, Lindsay, is this very familiar to you, this construction? Would you use this a lot?
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Yeah, I like this. I like this because I think the more we live and the more places even, you know, as we travel or travel around our own country, we get to know different ways of life. And, you know, you want to be careful who you say this to. Right. Because it could be looked at as negative. So when we're crossing cultures, I probably would maybe avoid it. Right. Or I might say it in my, in my head if, if certain things are done in a different way. But that's just cultural diversity. We love that. Right, right. Yeah. But, yeah, we're, as we meet new people and especially go into their homes, we see different lifestyles.
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Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. Also, when you, like, join, you know, when you get married and you get to really learn a family and you see different things and that's a good example. Yeah, yeah. You're like, you know, you see things that are different than how you grew up, what you're used to.
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For you, Michelle, when you married Dan, was there anything about their family that you were like, who does that on their thing? Maybe you don't want to stay on the mic. It's okay.
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No, they're, they're, they're amazing and they're. Everybody has quirks. Sure, sure. So, yeah. But anything you can share?
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Yeah, I was trying to think. Nothing that comes the top of my head. But yeah, I don't know. Mostly positive things. I guess what I loved was the fact that my in laws have a tradition of skiing on, like the big holidays, like New Year's Christmas, but that I probably wouldn't say who does that? Because to me that's just a cool thing. Like.
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Right.
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That's not odd or strange to me. So it doesn't quite work for the phrase who does that.
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Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So it doesn't have to just be with does either. So you could put in other things you could say, like, who says that? Mm.
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Yeah, this is what's cool about this phrase. We're gonna give you guys some ninja tools now. So who says that is a really good thing? So what are we essentially saying here?
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Like, they said something weird or rude or maybe good. It just depends on the context. So, for example, he told me I was boring. Who says that? Right.
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So here you're saying I'm not boring, and everyone knows I'm not boring. Right, Right.
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And also, like, how can you just say something like that to someone?
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Yeah, for sure. Or you could say, who eats? Or you can. You can throw in even. Right. So I. I threw in even.
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Yeah, we're gonna start to throw in even.
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Throw. Okay, we'll talk about that in a minute.
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Yeah, we'll get to even.
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So this one qualifies for a lot of things people have. Weird. Don't you have a weird thing? Don't you do pickles and peanut butter or something? What is it that you do?
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No. Cheese and peanut butter. Or like. Like, what else? Wait, cheese and peanut butter. Something else in peanut butter. I can't think of it right now, but, yeah, I have some weird eating quirks. Me too.
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As we all do.
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Right?
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We all do. I always. When I was a kid, I used to eat jelly and cream cheese sandwiches. I don't know who eats that.
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But that's good. No, that's good. Like, if I have a bagel, like, or an English muffin, I'll put. I'll put cream cheese, and then I'll put some jelly on top. I get that.
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Yum. I haven't had it in years. I'll have to try it again. Yeah.
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See, now you're gonna want it.
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Yeah.
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But. Yeah. And I used to. Well, I still would dip popcorn and milk. That's my.
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Oh, that's weird. Michelle. Who does that?
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Who does that? Who eats that?
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Yeah, the interesting thing is I could also say, who does that? Because it's something you're doing.
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Right.
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And it's.
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Right. The dipping. Right. Exactly. So, for example, are you seriously about to eat that? It's old. Ew. Who eats that?
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Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. Or who thinks like that? This is interesting. For example, his beliefs are so archaic. I mean, who thinks like that?
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Yeah. So maybe you're. You're. You have a friend who has very old beliefs and.
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Right. Or something.
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Yeah. A little more traditional, so. And you don't agree with them. Yeah.
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And you can also tack on. With this particular example, because we're talking about the age of the beliefs. You could say, I mean, who thinks like that in 2026?
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Right, right, right.
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You could add a little bit more context if you just want to dress up what you're saying, guys. Okay, good.
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Or we'll do one more. Who believes that? So my sister tends to be pretty gullible. She even believed what the governor said in the interview on the news. Who believes that?
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Yeah. And I see this could be a hot one right now with how divided our news scene is and how different the news channels are in terms of what they're. What they're feeding out, you know, so this is a relevant one for this moment. Yeah.
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Yep. Yep.
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Michelle, why are these good for connection, by the way?
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Oh, my gosh. Well, they're fun. You definitely are showing your personality.
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Oh, yeah.
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When you use these, I think they're relatable and comments on what you think is odd or what you're used to. So you're sharing.
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You got it.
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So as we mentioned before when I was talking about traveling, that's an example of where we want to be careful.
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Right.
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Anytime we're experiencing another lifestyle or just a glimpse into someone's life, we do want to be careful because this can be seen as judgmental. Right?
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Right, exactly. So especially the ones that are being used in a negative way. So, like, you can use them in a teasing way, but you should be close to the person. Or, or maybe you're. You don't really know them well, but you're telling a story about something that happened.
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Yes.
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So, you know, you just have to really be smart about this one because there's a lot of. You could take it in. And if you're using it in more of the negative sense, that's when you know you just want to especially be careful and think, okay, what am I really? Is, Am I being mean spirited? Would this person be offended by this? Are they? You know, but Lindsay, we were talking about other words we can add. So we were doing this a little bit in the other examples so we're going to do a couple. So the first one is. I mean, so this one probably deserves
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its own episode entirely separate from the phrase. Michelle, I'm not sure if we've done it before.
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I feel like we have, but I'm. I'll take a look.
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Yeah, yeah, take a look. And if not, guys, hit the follow button to make sure you don't miss it. But this is something that native speakers use extremely commonly. Right? I mean, so, I mean, what is this I mean, thing, Michelle?
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Yeah, it basically means you're saying your opinion. You're thinking it through. It's emphatic.
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Yeah.
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So you're eating your soup with a fork. I mean, who does that?
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Right. So you could get away with just saying you're eating your soup with a fork. Who does that? But putting, I mean, kind of stages what you're about to say. A little bit. It's a little bit of a filler. It's a little bit like a.
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It's like a wind up.
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Like it's a bit of a wind up. Yeah, exactly. The way like a pitcher might wind up, Right? Exactly. It's a wind up. So we'll come back to this in another episode. If we haven't done it in a long time. We'll have to refresh our listeners on this, because I hear this constantly in American English.
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Definitely.
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Yeah.
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And then, Lindsay, this is the one that you were adding in. This is a really good one. Tell us about it.
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Oh, even. Even. Right. So this one might be a little confusing for our listeners, but this is important to nail at the B2C1 level, guys. So, for example, who even X the that. This becomes more emphatic when we add even. It's optional, of course. So you told her to buy you a ring? Who even says that? I could have said who says that? Who does that? But this adds emphasis and it says this is a big deal. Right, Right.
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Yes, exactly. So, and you can also combine these. You can combine. You can say, I mean, who even thinks like that? Right. So you. You can be a little creative with this. And another thing we want to point out is intonation, because it's not gonna make sense unless you use emphasis and stress and personality in your voice. If you just say who does that? No one's gonna know. Like, wait, what? Yeah, right.
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These have to be dripping with personality. So let's intonation in the role play and really listen closely, guys, for our intonation. Okay? All right.
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Okay. So here we are, friends, and I am telling you about a dinner I had with my boyfriend.
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Okay, here we go. Okay.
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So then he says, I'm second guessing our relationship because of your dog. What?
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Who says that?
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I know. Lindsay, are you licking your french fries?
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Yes. I like the salt.
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Okay. I mean, who does that?
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I know, it's a gross habit.
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Anyway, so I said to him, who even thinks like that?
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What did he say?
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He told me he was joking and he proposed. He's amazing. I mean, really, who does that?
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Ah, that's so great.
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Oh my God.
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I don't know if I would like that. If someone like, threatened to break up with me and it was like, just kidding, just kidding.
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We want to marry me. Yeah, I know.
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That's a good. A good style.
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No, not a good strategy. Not a good strategy. And Lindsay, you gotta chill out with the fry licking. You must. You probably have some sort of deficiency. Probably.
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I should have more assault in my life. I do. I will say that when I order a margarita, if I ask for the salt rim, I'll be constantly like, yeah, getting that salt.
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Oh, I know. I. I love salt.
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I really. Yeah, I do.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Okay, so let's go through it.
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Yeah. So what we've got here is you said, so then he says, I'm second guessing our relationship because of your dog. And you said, what? Who says that? And I really. I go real big on says.
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Right? Yes.
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Yeah.
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And then I said, lindsay, are you licking your french fries? And you said, yes, I like the salt. And I said, okay. I mean, who does that? So I'm teasing you. And you know, it wouldn't work if it was something serious. That or it wouldn't. This is fun. This is. Is. I'm just teasing around.
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Yeah. If I really didn't know it was bad manners or if you were at a business lunch. If for some reason someone started doing this and say that too, though, you just might reconsider doing business with them, Right?
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Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Don't look your french fries.
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Yeah. And then. And then I said, I know it's a gross habit. And you said. Anyway, so I said to him, who even thinks like that? And what is the think. Like, what are just to track here, what we're talking about.
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Yeah. Back to the boyfriend. Like that he's second guessing the relationship because of the dog.
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Yes. Yeah. Not a great way to wind up for a proposal, in my opinion. Try flowers. Try a surprise instead.
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Right.
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And then, Michelle, what's the last thing that was said?
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Yeah, and then I said, he proposed. And now I changed my tone. So now it's more of a positive thing. He's amazing. I mean, really, who does that? So even though Lindsay and I have agreed don't do this here in the role play, I seem pretty impressed.
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That is very impressed. Very impressed. You are. Absolutely. Guys, go and find episode 2578. Don't fall into these conversation traps. Oh my gosh. Aubrey and I recorded this one together. This was super interesting. Why we should avoid making comments on appearance. Someone's face is red. All kinds of things that you traps you might be tempted to fall into that seem innocent but could lead you down the wrong path in conversation.
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So important.
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Oh, so good. So good. But Michelle, this has been a really good one as well. What does it mean for connection?
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Oh, well, tons. I mean, this is just a way for you to show your personality, show what you're thinking about, like kind of what's normal, what's not normal, whether it's a good thing or a bad thing and to make some commentary on that. But again, you do need to be a little bit careful with it.
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A little bit careful. Be a little bit careful, guys. And hit the follow button. We're going to see if we can do an episode on, I mean, because it's such a staple of natural spoken English. All right, so make sure you don't miss that one. All right?
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All right, guys, thanks Lindsay for hanging out. And guys, we'll talk to you next time.
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All right, take care, Michelle. Bye bye.
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Podcast: All Ears English Podcast
Episode: 2591 — Who Even Does That?! How to Comment When Actions Are Outside the Norm
Hosts: Lindsay McMahon & Michelle Kaplan
Date: March 31, 2026
This episode explores a common American English expression—“Who does that?” (and variations like “Who says that?” or “Who even thinks like that?”)—used to comment on behaviors or statements that are outside the norm, whether positively or negatively. Lindsay and Michelle unpack how and when to use these constructions, their emotional tone, and their key role in sounding natural and expressive in conversation.
“Everyone and I think you really hit the nail on the head there, Michelle. You just don’t understand it.” — Lindsay (08:27)
“They’re fun. You definitely are showing your personality.” — Michelle (13:37)
Segment (17:57–20:29) — Friends Sharing Unusual Stories
This episode empowers listeners to master a versatile, highly native way of expressing surprise, disbelief, or admiration for actions or statements outside the norm in American English. With humorous anecdotes, real-life role plays, and clear guidance, Lindsay and Michelle show how to wield these rhetorical constructions effectively—and with style. Remember: It’s all about connection, not perfection!