
Learn why talking about napping is an easy way to connect
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Michelle Kaplan
Are you able to nap? Is napping a part of your culture or your daily life? Today we dive into the topic of cat naps and power naps and we show you how this can be the beginning of a robust connection conversation in English.
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Michelle Kaplan
E. Hey Lindsay, how are you?
Lindsey McMahon
Good, Michelle. Feeling sleepy today. Are you feeling like you want to take a nap?
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah, I am feeling like I want to take a nap. Do you take a lot of naps, Lindsay? Are you napper?
Lindsey McMahon
I actually sort of took a little nap yesterday, but I I rarely do. But for some reason yesterday I was just feeling a little tired, just decided to lie down so took like a 30 minute nap or so, which was really nice for a change.
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. Especially lately I absolutely need naps. And you know, we've talked about sleeping before on the show and today we're going to talk about naps
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Michelle Kaplan
is a good conversation topic because everyone can relate to that feeling of oh, I, I wish I could little nap or something like that. If they nap, can they nap all of these things?
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah. And it's really funny how when you're in college, napping takes on a whole new level of importance. At least it didn't on my campus. I feel like kids napped a lot in college and talked about napping a lot in college. Yeah, less so in adult life, but we still get to grab a nap once in a while. So we're going to get into all this today and how to talk about it. But I want to call out a couple of people that left comments and reviews over on sponsors Spotify and just say a huge thank you. So thank you to Saddam Mode, thank you to Eins, thank you to Geriardi, and thank you to Tony Souza. 17. These are all listeners who took the time to go and write a message, left a rating and review wherever you listen. Rate our show. Review our show, guys. Tell us what you think about the show. All right?
Michelle Kaplan
Definitely. All right, thank you so much. So let's go into. So we're going to do some key vocab, then we're gonna do some connection questions, basically. Okay, so this is the first one. So when you took that nap Yesterday, Lindsay, the 30 minute nap, did you wake up and did you feel refreshed right away or did you feel groggy?
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah, I. I guess it wasn't a proper nap because I never fully fell asleep. I just kind of closed my eyes and relaxed. But like, I do tend to feel groggy after I nap during the day. That's why I usually don't do it at all. Just because of the way you feel after. So groggy is a good. Is a good word. What does it feel like to be groggy?
Michelle Kaplan
To be groggy. You just feel like out of it. Yeah. You could also say out of it. You just don't feel.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah.
Michelle Kaplan
You're like a little confused. You don't feel good.
Lindsey McMahon
Right.
Michelle Kaplan
You don't feel good. You feel more tired. Really? Yeah.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah. A little disconnected from earth.
Michelle Kaplan
Right. I always feel like it's the next day. Like.
Narrator/Host
Yeah.
Michelle Kaplan
Do you have that? I feel. I feel like really like this was all in the. The same day, but I feel it just so funny.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah, it's a little bit of the same feeling I get when I walk out of a. A movie, like a daytime movie. It's like, oh, the light hits you. You're like, wait, it's daytime.
Michelle Kaplan
What.
Lindsey McMahon
What day is it? What week is it? I'm totally confused and lost.
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah. So I. It's hard to hit that sweet spot when you nap to where you just wake up feeling refreshed, which is another great word. It's kind of. And I feel like a lot of people wake up GR And Yeah. A lot of times what happens to me is I will wake up groggy and I feel like I'm going to die. And I'm like, this is not a good feeling. And then maybe in half an hour later, then I start to feel the benefits of what I had done. But it's not good at first.
Lindsey McMahon
It's not good at first for sure. And I'm also excited we're talking about this today because I know our listeners around the world. Napping is a part of different cultures. Siesta. That's true. Right. In many cultures have a siesta period. Maybe it's becoming less and less common in the cities, but I know when I visited places like northern Spain and everything is shut down between what, like 12 and 3? So some of our listeners are still really enjoying daily naps, I'm sure in different cultures. Right. Especially in hotter cultures. So this is huge. This is huge.
Michelle Kaplan
Definitely. So for the word groggy, G R O G G Y, you might hear I slept for about 20 minutes. I'm groggy right now, but I'll perk up soon.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah, exactly. So groggy is a really important word to know. It's a bit of a sleep hangover, right?
Michelle Kaplan
Ye. That's a good way to put it. Yep.
Lindsey McMahon
And then catnap or power nap is really good because what are we trying to say when we're saying we're going to take a catnap or a power nap?
Michelle Kaplan
You're going to give yourself a nap that gives you power, that gives you that energy. It's a. And it's a fast. It's not like it could even be 15 minutes. Right. It's not. You don't say power nap or cat nap, about a three hour nap, right?
Lindsey McMahon
Yes, yes, absolutely. It's just a light one. And then you're implying that you're going to be better off after. Right. So for example, I'm going to take
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a quick power nap to get me
Lindsey McMahon
through the rest of the day. It's going to be a long night.
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah. And then there's crash. So that's when you're so tired you just fall asleep. So, yes, after lunch I try to take a rest. As soon as I, as my head hits the pillow, I just crash. Yeah.
Lindsey McMahon
This is a really common slangy way to talk about falling asleep. Right. To crash. I crashed Last night at 10:30, a little earlier than I was planning to. Right. I mean it's everywhere in our language. It's a very slangy way to say Go to sleep, basically.
Michelle Kaplan
Definitely. Lindsay. So when you nap, do you normally fall asleep and are you trying to nap? Do you. Like yesterday we were like, okay, I'm gonna take a nap. Or does it just kind of happen like.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah. Well, I wish I had better answers. I'm not much of a napper, to be honest. I really don't nap very much because, I mean, I was a napper in college because everyone was napping. That was like part of the culture in college because kids would stay up late in the dorm. It was part of your life in college. But I, I just, I don't really nap as an adult that, that much, to be honest. What about you, Michelle?
Michelle Kaplan
I mean, now I do, but I, But I, I used to not be able to. I mean. Yeah, my friend just told me. Oh. Because I. I was able to take a quick 20 minute nap recently. And I told my friend and he said, I can't do that. I'm gonna. 20 minutes is nothing. You know, it takes so long to fall asleep. And so. But lately I've been able to sleep faster and now not so much. But like, the biggest nap time for me is if I'm riding in the car. Not when I'm driving, but when I'm in the passenger seat. Because it's all that motion. Right. And yeah, with my kids, even if, you know, that's how. I mean, I'm sure a lot of parents can relate to this if your child won't nap. If your child won't fall asleep, you probably put them in the car and drive them around and that does the trick.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah, yeah, I've heard that. I mean, and it's. For me, it's always like, I'm. The nap will happen if I'm recovering from time when I couldn't sleep. Like, it's every time I fly across the Atlantic to Europe these days. I cannot sleep the overnight flight where you're supposed to sleep. And so there's, and then there's always like a, you know, Munich to Slovenia or Munich to Italy, whatever. There's always a tiny flight that's like an hour and a half. Yeah, I'll nap on that flight and I'll feel awful when I wake up. It's the wrong way. It's like the body doesn't know because the screens are really distracting at night on that overnight Atlantic flight.
Michelle Kaplan
And there's always that one person turning the light on.
Lindsey McMahon
Oh my gosh. It's crazy. So usually my naps happen more at times when I probably shouldn't be Napping or don't want to be napping, you know?
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah, because sometimes I. I remember feeling like, okay, I'm gonna feel actually worse if I nap than if I don't nap. So that can happen too. That's interesting, right?
Lindsey McMahon
Totally. Yeah. Really interesting.
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Lindsey McMahon
All right, so this is obviously a huge connection skill. Human beings need sleep. We are all human here. So we can connect on our, like, the basic human needs. Right?
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah. So. And I mean, as far as it being a connection topic, look like you're sharing with me. Okay, I don't nap now, but in. In college, you know, and then that could lead us into a whole nother, you know, convers college and what it was like. So there's so much there, but there are kind of starter questions here. So, Lindsay, what's one thing you can ask?
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah, I mean, I can ask you, are you able to take naps? Because like I said, we said not all adults are able to or do. Or make the time for it. Right.
Michelle Kaplan
Or you could even say, are you a napper? Are you.
Lindsey McMahon
Are you a napper?
Michelle Kaplan
That's a person who takes naps. So. But yeah, some answers might be, oh, I can't nap, or I wish I could, or yes, I nap whenever I can.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah. Are you able to nap outdoors? Like, do you nap in hammocks on the beach? Like, I don't know, like when you're outside, are you able to nap Michelle, good question.
Michelle Kaplan
I will let you know when I am outside more in the summer. But no, not, I don't think as much. I think I'm on the couch and my bed and. But in the car, that's the, that's okay.
Lindsey McMahon
In the car is the sweet spot for that.
Michelle Kaplan
Yes, Yep, exactly. I, yeah. So and then here's another question. How long do you nap for?
Lindsey McMahon
Exactly. And here, you know, in casual English, a lot of grammarians might say we don't like that four at the end of that sentence. But we don't mind it because this is verbal English, this is spoken English,
Michelle Kaplan
this is human connection.
Lindsey McMahon
Okay? So that's the goal in allers English. We are not trying to be super strict grammarians here. We're going to teach you grammar, but we're always going to favor connection over grammar.
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Perfection.
Lindsey McMahon
Right. So we're going to teach you what
Michelle Kaplan
we say because you're not going to run into a native speaker and you're just having a conversation and you say how long do you nap for? And they're like, really for.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah, they're not gonna know exactly. Yeah. Very practical English. We're learning over here. So how would you answer this? If I ask you, Michelle, how long do you nap for?
Michelle Kaplan
You might something say something like, oh, I just take a quick power nap or I nap. I usually nap for about 10 minutes, 20 minutes or an hour, Right?
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah. And then do you feel refresh when you wake up? Is another question we might ask if you're really getting into this napping thing. Maybe you're trying to learn how to nap as an adult. Right?
Michelle Kaplan
Maybe. So you could say something like, oh, I wake up and I feel much better or I wake up pretty groggy.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah. Or you could also ask what's the craziest place you've ever taken a nap? For me, it was definitely in a museum. I think I took a nap in a museum recently in maybe it was Slovenia or somewhere in Europe. It was after, you know, the cross Atlantic flight.
Michelle Kaplan
Right.
Lindsey McMahon
It's that first day when you, if you go to Europe, you try to stay up all day. You usually land around 10:00am or 9:00am well, we do from Denver, from the east coast, you might land even earlier. I'm not sure. And then you don't like the thing you shouldn't do is go to bed. Right. So you have to find a way to stay awake.
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah.
Lindsey McMahon
That whole day. We usually try to book like a food tour, like tour. So we're moving. But I think this time we went A museum. And I definitely.
Michelle Kaplan
I was.
Lindsey McMahon
I was watching a movie in the museum and I kind of nodded off in the front row and I think people were laughing at me, actually. Yeah.
Michelle Kaplan
So what about you? Well, that makes me think of. Well, for. I'm thinking of my sister in law because I remember when I lived in New York, I mean, when I was in my early 20s and they came to visit me and my sister in law fell asleep in a bar and that's crazy. Somebody came over and. Because they thought she was really drunk. Right. But she wasn't. She just. It was. She falls asleep earlier than the rest of us. So it wasn't so much a nap. I think it was like she was down for the night if she could have been funny. This is like nine at night in the bar and they're like, you can't sleep in here because they think you're.
Lindsey McMahon
They think you're drunk.
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah, yeah, that's. That's what I remember from her. But yeah, so that, that was fun.
Lindsey McMahon
That's a good one. That's a good one. Falling asleep in a bar. I like it.
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah.
Lindsey McMahon
All right, Michelle, So clearly this is a connection topic. We're enjoying this because we both like, we both sleep. Right. So we have that in common. It's like the weather, you know, you can actually get pretty far sometimes and you can use it. As you said, Michelle, a branching off topic, a jumping off point to get into other areas that might be more interesting. So let's look at a. A little role play here.
Michelle Kaplan
All right, here we go. Here we are friends and we're at lunch. All right.
Lindsey McMahon
Okay.
Michelle Kaplan
I just feel so tired.
Lindsey McMahon
Well, are you able to nap? Maybe you can take a power nap when you get home.
Michelle Kaplan
I can't nap. I never fall asleep. You can nap.
Lindsey McMahon
Oh, yeah. If I don't nap in the afternoon, I crash by night.
Michelle Kaplan
Well, how long do you nap for?
Lindsey McMahon
Usually just a 15 minute cat nap.
Michelle Kaplan
Oh, wow. So do you feel refreshed when you wake up?
Lindsey McMahon
I wake up pretty groggy, but after a few minutes I feel much better. Nice.
Michelle Kaplan
All right, I'll have to try again.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah, I think a lot of. I feel like in American culture, maybe a lot of adults don't nap as much. I don't know.
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It's not as much of a part of our culture.
Lindsey McMahon
Right?
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah. Yeah. Well, I do think that sometimes people who work from home, I have heard my friends say, oh, I had, I was so tired. I had like, like an hour break. And then I, you know, But I think it kind of depends where you work. You're not going to really nap if you're working in an office.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah, I know. True. I, I feel like I heard a few years ago that, like, different cities were building, like little napping pods. So that was a business that was taking off. But I haven't heard anything lately about it. Where you could check Amazon, Shark Tank maybe. Right, right. It's a good idea. I mean, we're such a sleep deprived culture, right?
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah, yeah. I mean, sometimes that's what you need to get you through the rest of the day. So for sure, let's go through it. So you said. So I said, I just feel so tired. And you said, are you able to nap? Maybe you can take a power nap
Lindsey McMahon
when you get home.
Michelle Kaplan
And why do we ask things like, are you able to nap? Why is that even a question?
Lindsey McMahon
Like, it's asking about your, your habits, your daily. Like you. Yeah. Are you, are you capable of napping? Like, as an adult? Like, are you a napper? Right. Are you?
Michelle Kaplan
Right.
Lindsey McMahon
Can you do it? Like, trying to help you a little bit.
Michelle Kaplan
Right.
Lindsey McMahon
I guess.
Michelle Kaplan
Right. Well, I mean, here, it could either mean, like, oh, do you have time? It could mean, do you have time for a nap?
Lindsey McMahon
I mean, that too, Right.
Michelle Kaplan
Do you have time for a nap? But it could also just be like, yeah, there's this ability some people can nap and people really can't fall asleep for that. So. And then some people might take a nap and then at night they can't sleep, and so they're like, I, you know, it'll mess up my night, you know.
Lindsey McMahon
Oh, true. Some people only nap when they're sick, really. So, like, you know, something's not right if they're napping.
Michelle Kaplan
Right.
Lindsey McMahon
Everyone's got their own style. It's for, that's, that's for sure. But then we have the word crash. Very common, slangy way of saying go to sleep or fall asleep hard. Right? I, I said, oh, yes. If I don't nap in the afternoon, I crash by nighttime. We say nighttime. Yeah.
Michelle Kaplan
And then I said, how long do you nap for? And again, you're not going to look at me and say, really? Grammar, Michelle.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah. No, native speakers are not. And also native speakers are not going to correct you either.
Michelle Kaplan
Right.
Lindsey McMahon
And that's not what we want. We want to connect.
Michelle Kaplan
We're having a good, we're having a good talk.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah. It would be awkward if a native speaker stopped and tried to correct your English. Honestly, guys, you know, go with the flow, find the connection, right? And that's where the fluency comes from. Okay, good.
Michelle Kaplan
So you said, usually just a 15 minute cat nap. And then I said, do you feel refreshed when you wake up?
Lindsey McMahon
And I said, now this is on a regular basis. We're talking about habitually. Right? Do. Because that's why we're using the present tense here. I say I wake up pretty groggy, but after a few minutes, I feel much better. You could say I usually feel much better too.
Michelle Kaplan
Right? Yeah, yeah. So good stuff. And then I said, maybe I'll have to try it again. So, guys, check out episode 2616. That was. That's on me. Admitting mistakes without making it awkward. So listen to that one. Lindsay, takeaway for today.
Lindsey McMahon
Well, first of all, getting sleepy.
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah. Let's go take a nap. Right? I'm really glad we covered. I'm surprised we haven't covered this topic in how many, 20, 600 episodes. We've never talked about sleep before.
Michelle Kaplan
We may have touched on napping, but this is certainly.
Lindsey McMahon
Yeah, not recently that I can think of. Right. I mean, this is great because it's so cultural. It's. There are traditions, there are cultures we could talk about. This is truly a jumping off conversation where you could talk about cultural differences between you and your friend that lives in a whole other part of the world. You could talk about daily habits. You could talk about sleep deprivation in today's culture. There's so much you could go into here. Right. That's why it's a connection topic.
Michelle Kaplan
Yeah, it's a good one. So anyway, on that note, you know, all this nap talk is making me tired. So.
Lindsey McMahon
Michelle, don't fall asleep on the microphone. Yeah.
Michelle Kaplan
Then I can answer, though. What's the weirdest place you've taken a nap? And I'll say on the night during an episode. No.
Lindsey McMahon
All right, Michelle, you have a good day. I'll talk to you soon.
Michelle Kaplan
All right, bye. Bye, guys.
Lindsey McMahon
All right, bye.
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Hosts: Lindsay McMahon & Michelle Kaplan
Date: June 13, 2026
This episode focuses on the fun and relatable topic of napping—catnaps, power naps, and how talking about sleep habits can spark meaningful connection in English conversations. Lindsay and Michelle discuss vocabulary and expressions around napping, share their own experiences, and offer practical questions to help listeners master the art of small talk on this universal subject. The episode highlights how napping differs across cultures and why it makes an excellent jumping off point for connecting with others in English.
“When you're in college, napping takes on a whole new level of importance … less so in adult life, but we still get to grab a nap once in a while.” (03:03)
Michelle and Lindsay highlight everyday words and idioms to describe sleep habits:
Groggy
“To be groggy…you just feel out of it. Yeah. You could also say out of it. You just don’t feel good.” — Michelle (04:33)
“A little disconnected from earth.” — Lindsay (04:47)
Catnap / Power Nap
Short, refreshing naps:
“Catnap or power nap is really good because … you’re going to be better off after.” — Lindsay (06:55)
Crash (slang):
“To crash. I crashed last night at 10:30, a little earlier than I was planning to... It’s a very slangy way to say Go to sleep.” — Lindsay (07:23)
Michelle: Now needs naps, especially with kids; best naps are in the car (08:13).
Lindsay: Rarely naps as an adult—only after sleep deprivation, such as transatlantic flights (09:00):
“The nap will happen if I’m recovering from time when I couldn’t sleep... And I’ll feel awful when I wake up.”
Parents and napping:
“If your child won’t fall asleep, you probably put them in the car and drive them around and that does the trick.” — Michelle (08:38)
“We are not trying to be super strict grammarians here. We’re always going to favor connection over grammar.” — Lindsay (12:52)
On cultural habits:
“Some of our listeners are really enjoying daily naps, I’m sure, in different cultures. Especially in hotter cultures. So this is huge.” — Lindsay (05:46)
On post-nap feelings:
“A lot of times what happens to me is I will wake up groggy and I feel like I’m going to die.” — Michelle (05:14)
On nap locations:
“For me, it was definitely in a museum…I kind of nodded off in the front row and I think people were laughing at me.” — Lindsay (13:50)
“My sister-in-law…she fell asleep in a bar and that’s crazy. Somebody came over because they thought she was really drunk. But she wasn’t…she just falls asleep earlier than the rest of us.” — Michelle (15:05)
On the value of napping as a topic:
“This is truly a jumping off conversation where you could talk about cultural differences…daily habits…sleep deprivation in today’s culture…so much you could go into here. That’s why it’s a connection topic.” — Lindsay (19:44)
| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|----------------------------------------------| | 02:07 | Introduction to napping as a conversation topic | | 04:14 | Explanation of 'groggy' and related feelings | | 06:35 | Key vocabulary: catnap, power nap, crash | | 08:13 | Personal anecdotes about napping in adulthood | | 11:15 | Why napping is a great connection skill | | 12:39 | Discussion on “How long do you nap for?” and natural English | | 13:50 | Craziest places to nap: museum and bar stories| | 15:48 | Role play: small talk about napping | | 19:44 | Summary: why napping is a powerful topic for connection |
Michelle: I just feel so tired.
Lindsay: Well, are you able to nap? Maybe you can take a power nap when you get home.
Michelle: I can’t nap. I never fall asleep. You can nap?
Lindsay: Oh, yeah. If I don’t nap in the afternoon, I crash by night.
Michelle: Well, how long do you nap for?
Lindsay: Usually just a 15 minute cat nap.
Michelle: Oh wow, so do you feel refreshed when you wake up?
Lindsay: I wake up pretty groggy, but after a few minutes I feel much better.
Michelle: Nice.
“Go with the flow, find the connection, right? And that’s where the fluency comes from.” — Lindsay (18:38)
Napping is more than just a way to catch up on sleep—it’s a fantastic, natural topic to use in everyday English conversations, especially with people from different backgrounds. By mastering related vocabulary and focusing on connection (not perfection), you can spark interesting discussions, learn about other cultures, and make your English more engaging, real, and memorable.
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