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Janos Marton and I discuss the debate between reform and abolition around the criminal legal system. (Note: This episode was recorded 2 years ago.)

Janos Marton is the Chief Advocacy Officer for Dream.Org, an organization committed to closing prison doors and opening doors of opportunity. Janos is a born and raised New Yorker who began his career as an organizer before becoming a civil rights lawyer. Since then he has spent his career fighting for racial justice and taking on corruption - as a civil rights lawyer, special counsel to the Moreland Commission to Investigate Corruption, and investigating police misconduct for the City of New York.

In 2016 he was named the first advocacy director of JustLeadershipUSA, where he managed the historic #CLOSErikers campaign. He then ran criminal justice programs across the country for the ACLU. Prior to his role at Dream Corps he was a candidate for Manhattan District Attorney, running on a bold platform to use prison as a last resort, receiving praise for groundbreaking policies that became the gold standard in the race.