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Episode: 1929 vs 2025: Andrew Ross Sorkin on Crashes, Bubbles & Lessons Learned
Date: October 16, 2025
Guest: Andrew Ross Sorkin

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into Andrew Ross Sorkin’s new book about the 1929 stock market crash and explores the parallels—and key differences—between the economic excesses of that era and today's world. The conversation deftly navigates history, financial system mechanics, speculation and innovation, regulatory legacy, and considers lessons for 2025. Sorkin brings character-driven stories alive to reveal the human and institutional forces that shaped—and continue to shape—financial markets.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Why Write About 1929? (01:00–04:00)

• Motivation:
  Sorkin was continually asked about 1929 after “Too Big to Fail,” but lacked a “character-driven” narrative on the era.

  “Where’s the story? Where are the people?” — Andrew Ross Sorkin (03:13)

• He compares past popular financial books, craving a Den of Thieves/Barbarians at the Gate-style look at the crash.

2. Economic & Social Setup of the Crash (04:01–08:13)

• Credit Revolution:
  In 1919, GM pioneered consumer loans. This spread to appliances (Sears), then stocks (Charlie Mitchell/National City), ushering in unprecedented leverage via margin loans.
• Lack of Regulation:

  “There’s no SEC, there’s no regulations...if there was like a leaflet handed out on the street, you’d be lucky.” — Sorkin (05:07)

• Everyone Dances While Music Plays:
  The era saw frothy, socially contagious wealth creation and the democratization of financial markets, driven by urban migration, new media (radio/Time/Forbes), and shifting American dreams.

  “Radio was like the Instagram of its time...you’re seeing people with wealth you don’t have. You aspire to that.” — Chamath (09:49)

3. Parallels to Present Day (11:41–14:42)

• Similarities and Differences:
  Sorkin says the intent wasn’t to write an allegory, but recognizes echoes: leverage, lack of risk awareness, and human nature’s chase for “more.”

  “That’s the human condition. We all want more.” — Sorkin (14:02)

• Speculation as Twin of Innovation:
  Sorkin and hosts argue speculation is necessary for advances:

  “Speculation is the twin of innovation...You need speculation.” — Sorkin (15:03)

4. Regulation, Legacies & The Human Factor (16:26–19:37)

• Regulatory Cycles:
  The 1940s Acts and later financial regulations keep chasing new forms of risk but often lag reality.
• Accredited Investor Debate:

  “Here we are in 2025 and there’s a lot of folks saying, I want the access, I want the opportunity.” — Sorkin (16:26)

• Regulation protects the “little guy” on paper but can enforce barriers, fueling cries of “regulatory capture.”

5. The Cast of 1929—and Unexpected Motivations (19:37–23:09)

• Charlie Mitchell:
  Bank mogul (“Jamie Dimon” + “Michael Milken”) invented large-scale public credit, battled the Fed and Washington.
• Carter Glass:
  Populist reformer (“Elizabeth Warren/AOC of his time,” also racially problematic) crusaded against financial excesses.
• Glass-Steagall Origins:
  Contrary to myth, major banking regulation stemmed as much from lobbying and intra-bank rivalries as from public interest.

  “It actually has to do with business reasons, meaning there was...major bank money and lobbying going on behind the scenes.” — Sorkin (21:55)

6. Modern Market Structure, AI Mania, and Bubbles (23:09–33:23)

• Are we living another bubble? Sorkin: Possibly—though current leverage is different (more in private credit/real estate periphery).
• AI/Tech:
  Big tech and data infrastructure drive GDP growth, similar to radio in the 1920s.

  “If you X out the Mag 7...the economy does not look nearly the same.” — Sorkin (30:50)

• Chamath notes psychological resistance to AI adoption, especially among legacy capital holders.

7. Productivity, the Real Economy, and Societal Shifts (33:23–39:36)

• Productivity vs. Employment:
  AI’s gains may destroy or reallocate jobs—mirroring past technology waves in scale but different in speed.

  “Productivity gains are sort of a euphemism for cutting costs...that ultimately probably is going to have an impact on employment.” — Sorkin (34:06)

• Learning from History:
  The market’s crash didn’t instantly spur a socialist turn; the American Dream and government promises have shifted over time, often due to WW2-era unique conditions.

8. Empire Cycles, National Security, and the Future (39:36–46:42)

• Are we at the end of the American empire (à la Dalio/Ferguson)? Sorkin hopes not, but sees warning signs in defense spending and debt.
• New Deal for Today?
  Big government spending (as in the New Deal + WW2) could be necessary, but continued “more” will be a hard political sell.

  “The question is, how do you get the public to buy into the idea of less?” — Sorkin (43:24)

• Strategic Flexibility:
  Discussion on tariffs, resilience, and opting for security over short-term abundance, even at a premium:

  “Would I be okay with a less better car, but having a national transportation infrastructure we control...I’d be okay with that.” — Chamath (46:19)

9. Book Details & Film Adaptation (46:51–49:53)

• Sorkin is seeking to sell movie rights. He read the audiobook himself:

  “It’s 13 hours...it probably took me like 30 hours. It takes a while.” — Sorkin (49:06)

• Hosts tease him about British gravitas, praise the book’s people-driven storytelling, and reflect on its relevance for understanding US history.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Speculation and Innovation:

  “There is no innovation without some speculation.” — Sorkin (15:12)

• On Human Nature:

  “What’s your number?...More.” — quoting Wall Street II (14:02)

• On Regulation’s Strange Roots:

  “It actually...has to do with business reasons…bank money and lobbying going on behind the scenes to F over JP Morgan.” — Sorkin (22:00)

• On Social Change Post-1929:

  “The Hoovervilles...don’t happen really until 1932...the conversation about capitalism and socialism starts to rear its head.” — Sorkin (35:42)

• On Today's Tech Boom vs. 1929:

  “Radio was like the Nvidia of its time. Everybody wanted into RCA.” — Sorkin (05:32)

Essential Timestamps

• 01:00 Why Sorkin wrote the book, craving character-driven finance history
• 04:01 The beginnings of American consumer credit and stock market margin
• 08:13 Rise of aspiring “everyman” investors, media as amplification
• 14:02 On human nature and insatiability (“more”)
• 16:26 Legacy of accredited investor rules and regulation
• 19:37 Main 1929 characters and Glass-Steagall’s real backstory
• 23:32 Are we in a bubble today? Macro Bubble Discussion
• 30:44 AI/Tech’s GDP impact, sectoral economic concentration
• 34:06 AI and productivity vs. quality: past vs. present tech cycles
• 39:36 Post-crash American Dream, postwar exceptionalism origins
• 43:24 Political paradox: convincing the public to accept “less”
• 46:51 Resilience, tariffs, and national security trade-offs
• 47:06 Sorkin’s experience narrating his audiobook

Tone & Final Thoughts

The episode blends wit, sharp skepticism, and historical nerdiness, populated with the hosts’ irreverent asides and Sorkin’s narrative insights. The conversation underscores that while financial excess, speculation, and crises are perennial, their causes and cures are always shaped by human institutions, personalities, and choices. Sorkin’s book and the discussion ask: Are we fated to repeat history, or merely rhyme with it—and what lessons will we heed this time?